June 8, 2025 • 42 mins
Summary: Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy on cleaning up the transportation mess he inherited from the Biden administration. The Newark runway. Air traffic control shortage by the thousands. Telecom issues and outdated technology and infrastructure. Duffy just released a report on the CA High Speed Rail (16 billion and 17 years into the project and no track has been laid. Ubers in the air coming to your area soon? U.S. Customs and Border Protection Senior Advisor, Ronald Vitiello, explains how the Trump administration has achieved such extraordinary success at the border, both on illegal entries and fentanyl, and why the tariffs are a huge part of it. Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullin, a successful business owner, working cow-calf rancher, and former undefeated MMA fighter, explains the big, beautiful bill and the codification of DOGE budget cuts.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
All right, we've been trying to track him down for
a bit, but he's really busy. He's finally with us
for very please, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, Mister Secretary, welcome
on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey man, this I think this is my inaugural visit
to the program. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We're honored to have you. Clay sends his regards. He
is on the golf course today. I'm hearing rumors that
he hited three hundred and forty yards from the back teez.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I don't know if that's true or not, but this
is what people are saying. But tell me this. Let's
let's let's just leave to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Play on the golf course on the day I show up.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, let's let's do this. Though, tell me what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Particularly, I'm a New Yorker at least I grew up
in New York, so I spent plenty of time in
Newark Airport. It has been a total mess. The air
traffic control situation seems like it's a disaster that you
inherited here. And is it getting better? What is the problem.
Why are we constantly having all these flight delays that
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aren't weather related? How does it get fixed? You got
a lot of frustrated flyers out there. We're hoping you're
going to help clear all this nonsense up. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, So first we have to recognize this has been
a problem that's been burning for a long time, but
it was coming to a head over the last four years.
Over the last administration, our government watchdog group sold Biden
and Bluta judge listener, you're going to have real problems.
You need to fix the air traffic control system, and
they did into anything. So they've left it to us.
And what you saw in Newark is kind of a
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culmination of several of the problems that we have in
the airspace. And they happened at the same time. So
in Newark you had three things. One, they shut down
a runway to repay it, right, they open it up
thirteen days before schedule. Great out the poort authority. But
the two issues that remaining are issues that we see
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throughout the whole system. We're three thousand air traffic controllers
short nationwide, and so you're seeing a lack of controllers
in the Philly Tracon that controls the Newark air space,
and then we're having teletoon issues. Our our infrastructure for
air traffic control still uses copper wires. Nobody uses copper
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wires anymore. Everyone's on fiber. So we were having telecom
issues in the Philly Traycon and we resolved that issue
on on the on the on the copper wire. But
Verizon moved incredibly fast, our partner there, and laid brand
new fiber between Philly and New York, and so it's
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not way. We're still testing that that that uh, that fiber.
You want to be ultra safe before you switch it over.
That will be tested through probably the end of June
or early July. And then there's twenty two controllers in
the Philly Traycon. Six of them are out right now,
five for the trauma that they had because of the
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outages from late April early May. One is on sick lead.
We brought in twenty two new controllers to train in
Silly right now.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
When I say a new controller, what I mean is
this could be an air traffic controller who is certified
in a different airspace, say Denver, if they come to
the Philly tray con to control a different airspace, they
have to get recertified on that specific airspace. And so
most of these are experienced controllers, but it's going to
take them time to get certified. So the problems of
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telecom and the problems of the runway, and the problems
of the controllers, you're going to have a slow roll
of continual improvement. But you were seeing and I'm giving
you a lot of information here, Buck, but what you
saw was this, we reduced the capacity a new So
all these flights were scheduled, but they weren't flying because
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we reduced the capacity, and you saw delays and cancelations,
and it was a disaster for a couple of weeks.
What we've done is we've got all the airlines to
agree that we're gonna reduce our capacity. So if you
book in Newark now, you actually fly. And that's what's key.
No one wants to go to be here and wait
four hours and be canceled. So because of the agreement
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that we have at Newark, everyone says, Okay, we're not
gonna have as many flights coming out of here, but
the ones we do have will actually go. So we're
on the path to resolve in it. But all these
solutions take time because you can't set your fingers and
create more controllers, and you can't you know, quickly run
fiber and then you know, cook be tested. But we're
doing it and it's going to get better in Newark.
(04:47):
But give me some grace now.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Nationwide, mister Secretary, there's also it feels like and you
see a lot of people complaining about it on X
I'm sure just flight delays have it feels like the
problem is constantly getting worse, not better. So you've talked
to us about Newark, but just in general across the country,
how do we get it so that especially a lot
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of these routes where people are flying, you know, and
there's a sixty or seventy percent delay rate, Some of
these delay rates just seems unconscionable. Is that a function
of airlines got to scale back the flights? Is it
air traffic control? How do we get it so that
people can really believe credibly if there's clear skies. Okay,
I'm not talking about if there's tornadoes or crazy weather,
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but if the weather is fine, their plane's probably going
to take off when it's supposed to and they're probably
going to get off it when they're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, So we are using equipment that is you know,
twenty five to thirty five years old in whether it's
the towers that are at the airports, the traycon you know,
is the next ring out from the tower. It's really
old equipment and it's really old telecom. And so I'm
gonna need a lot of money from Congress. It should
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have been done, you know, a decade ago. It wasn't,
and we have to basically gut and build brand new
our air traffic control system with the best technology in
the world. We can do it really quickly. It's going
to take you know, three years. If the Congress clears
the committing process for me. If I don't have to
go through an EPA that just you know stacks, you know,
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you know, a month upon month or a year upon year,
they clear that for me, we're going to be able
to do it fast. And what you'll see is you
can handle greater capacity with the new system that we're
going to build, and as new technology becomes available, you
can deploy it off this new system to get even
more efficiencies. It's it's instead of having buck instead of
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having the flip phone that you can send as many
updates as you want to your razor flip phone. If
that's in your genre, it was in mine, you can
you know, it's not an update. It is what it is.
It's all it's antiquated. That's what we have right now.
But if I build you an I Own fifteen, you
can deploy a ton of technology off of it. We're
gonna build you the iPhone fifteen that you can build
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technology off of. And you have to think that we're
gonna have more air travel, but it's going to get
more complicated because we're going to deploy. In the next years,
you're gonna see drone technology expand and services expands throughout
the country, where you're gonna get Amazon deliveries, you're gonna
get your your Uber Eats, You're gonna get a hocked
up of coffee from Starbucks if you stop, if you
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get your coffee at Starbucks, all by a drone. And
we're gonna have evatols. These are like the Ubers in
the air. They're they're they're they're they're they're big drones
that you can hold, you know, three four people in
You're going to see those deploy in the airspace.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
How far are we from that, mister Secretary, because that
sounds pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's very cool. So they're they're testing these uh these
uh evatols right now. They're they're they're I think you
can see the technology Advance or Sure, which is one
of the technologies, is actually as a contract with the
Olympics in twenty twenty eight, and it's not just the
showcase of technology. They actually have to use that technology
to move people around all the different sites at the
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LA Olympics. So it's moving very fast. The FAA has
to certify it, make sure it's safe. Eventually you'll see
you and have These will not be piloted. They can
be autonomous or right now in certain parts of the
country like in Texas, then the drone deliveries are are
happening in certain parts of the country right now. Evey successful.
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People love them. And what they've done with drones is
obviously the noise becomes a concern. They've done really well
innovating on props to reduce the noise. You really know
what's in the sky when it's covering over your house,
drop in product or setting product down.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's very cool.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, that's looking forward to having that going on. But obviously,
if it's tough to have air traffic control for planes,
if we put thousands, tens of thousands, however many drones
and air taxis in the sky, that's gonna I assume
that's going to result in some interesting air traffic issues
as well.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
So hopefully that'll all get squared away.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Tell us about the report you just released California's high
speed rail sixteen billion dollars, seventeen years, no track laid.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, it's a great question. So first, I'm a conservative.
I would love to have high speed rail in America.
I think it would be great if we can do it.
This was the first big project and like liberals, seem
to always deliver the same results, which are not very good.
This was supposed to be done years ago and it
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was supposed to cost a little over twenty billion dollars.
They haven't laid any track. They've spent billions. They've now
told us that they can complete a truncated portion of
the project by twenty thirty three. We looked at their data.
They've give us eighty thousand pages of documents. They just
can't do it. And so they have what four billion
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dollars of grants that have been given by the DOT
And it's our philosophy that there's if we give them
that for if we let that for billion dollars go,
that's four billion we don't have for other good projects
around the country. And I think the taxpayer expects us
to spend their money well and not to invest in boondoggles.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And so where do the money?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I got to ask mister Sigre. Where sixteen billion dollars.
It's a lot of money for a state level project.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
What was it spent on?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So they were they were buying land right and by
the way, there's there is an eyebrow raised for me
in that I was the land Who is buying land
along the route of this of this proposed high speed rail?
And how much money did they make and how they
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connected to politicians? All those questions need to be asked
and looked at. Is you know, was there any criminal activity?
I don't know, but I think it should be looked at.
The project now it's it is out over ten years.
And if they did the full project, there was supposed
to be you know, you know, tens of billions. It
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would be one hundred and thirty billion dollars to actually
build it, and they still don't know that they can
do it in any specific timeframe. So you have to
recognize that it's a nice concept. But Liberals all spend
money well, and they haven't done it well in this project.
And so at what point does does the government cut
bait and say, you know what, We're not going to
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do this one. But maybe there's other good projects across
the country that we could invest in that would that
would serve the population.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Law and tell us about what's in the assuming it
gets passed more or less as as is, uh, what
is in the big beautiful bill that will go to
transportation that will make a difference to the American people.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So for us, there's twelve billion dollars for this brand
new air traffic control system. That's not going to be enough.
You got to think about this. It's this is the biggest,
it's nationwide infrastructure. It is the most important infrastructure that
we're going to build on in the last several decades
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for sure, because it's such a big part of our economy.
People find whether it's business or pleasure. We move a
lot of products through the air and so we have
twelve billion. We'll need more than that at a later point.
We're going to have to give it to us. One
of the problems buck in the past is the Congress
would give tranches of money to the FAA and then
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the priority would change or the administration changes, and they
never got the money. So we need to get the
money up front. So twelve billion is a nice start.
We can begin the project, but this year I need
to get the rest of the money, and then in
that secondary bill we can hopefully get the throwing the
deck of the of the of the permits. I also
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think is that polls making sure we don't get a
massive tax increase. That's big force and the big beautiful bill. Also,
there's a provision that if you buy a brand new
car that was made in America, you can write up
to right off up to ten thousand dollars of your
interest payments on the vehicle, So again incentivizing people to
buy new cars. And the president's doing all kinds of
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things to deliver on the promises that he made during
the campaign, which, by the way, is nice that we
have presidents that actually do what they say or try
to accomplish what they promised.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, Sir, thank you so much for
being with us, and please fix all the things.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
In the podole of two bucks right at your house,
I got to you.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, you got me. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Good to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
We're talking to Ron Vitello, US Customs and Border Protections
Senior Advice.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Ron.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Thanks for making the time for us. Let's just start
with this.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
How is it that Trump is able to secure the
southern border almost at a one hundred percent level. I
mean it's in the ninety something percent drop so quickly.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
How do you do it?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Leadership matters. He's got a good team in place, with
the likes of Secretary Nome, and there are now consequences
unlike anything I've ever seen on the Southwest border. So
that rhetoric that says we're going to do this, the
American people gave him that mandate action by the front line,
you know, directed by the leadership, and actual consequences to
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the event of crossing the border illegally are now in
place in a way, like I've said, like you know,
I've been in and out of this business for forty years,
and I've never seen anything like it. It was so
rapid the change at the Southwest border, it even surprised me.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But so I think this would be really interesting, Ron,
if I if I could just ask you, because I
had seen, unfortunately in the bad old days of the wide.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Open border, what happens. People would would walk up to
border patrol. I mean they would.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Walk across where there wasn't a wall or there wasn't barrier,
which there's a lot of places where that's still the case.
They'd walk up and they would wave border patrol down.
They would say here I am, and sometimes through a translator,
or sometimes they would say it in English some version
of I have a credible fear of violence in my country.
And they would be processed and let into America, sometimes
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with a like a ticket to a peer, or turn
and show up somewhere in the system later on.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I mean, the whole thing was just a joke.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
What happens now if you show up and you just
want to come into America illegally.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Well, it's a high likelihood that when you're arrested, if
even if you gave up or if you were trying
to evade. There's a lot of that's still going on.
You're taking into custody like before, you're put into the
system like before, and then you referred for prosecution, the
acceptance right from the US Attorney's office all across the
southwest border and then northern border in some places as
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well as over ninety percent. And so I'll just give
you an example of what that means. When I was
a second line supervisor in Nogallas, Arizona, we could not
present a smuggling case, a criminal felony smuggling case, to
the US Attorney's office unless there were fifteen smuggled aliens
in the vehicle that we were trying to prosecute the
smuggler for driving. Right now, they're taking first time entrants
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who enter the border illegally as a case. It's dramatically
different than it's ever been. And so the high likelihood
is that after your process and put into the system,
you're going to be referred and then accepted for prosecution,
and you'll have to see a judge for the crime
committed crossing the border illegally when that process is over,
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and those individuals sentenced regardless of what country they're from,
they're sent back very rapidly. The average time and custody
for folks that are in iced attention is very very low,
lower than it's been in a long time. And so
people are being removed from the US all over the
world in very short order.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And also I'm seeing a lot of confusion ron from
some parts of the media, maybe confusion, surprise, astonishment that
there's such a drop in Fentanel at the border that's
crossing what's going on there, Because I think I think
our audience, I think everybody right now, they listen, they go, oh,
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I think I know what's going on.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Yeah, of course they know that this has been a
problem for many, many years. The President engaged worldwide, specifically
in Canada and Mexico the threat of terroriffs tariffs just
to make sure that they weren't allowing precursors to come
into the country from China and that they had to
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do more on the border, on the physical border, to
protect that border. And so both of those countries engaged
again in ways I never seen. Right, ten thousand troops
from the Mexican National Guard deployed on their northern border,
our southern border Canada has done more to protect their
physical border than I've ever seen. Helicopters, night vision equipment,
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dedicated patrols from state, local, provincial, and the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police, and so everybody is doing their part to
help protect those borders and the sovereignty of each of
their countries, thereby giving us a better chance at the
physical border to find this stuff, and then the cartels
know that it's just not a walk in the park
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as it was for the four years of the Biden administration.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Just to make sure that everyone is clear on this one,
what you're telling me is that on tariffs alone, there
has been a big.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Victory for the border, so that the tool of.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Tariff negotiations to get us border security that's already a win,
is what I'm gathering from what you're saying, especially with you,
or rather with Mexico and Canada.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
One percent, there is no question that Canada and Mexico
are doing more than they have ever done in the
history of the relationships of these three countries than they
are doing right now today. And recognize, you know, Canada
put together legislation to spend millions of dollars on their
border to help us to help identify the threats that
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are there. They now have a fentanyl zar, which they
didn't have before. January twentieth, twenty twenty five, ten thousand
troops on the Mexican border. And you'll remember the rhetoric
when Trump got elected, Claudia Scheinbaum the president in Mexico,
all due respect, she was saying terrible things about how
she wasn't going to work, she wasn't going to do
the bidding of the United States or this president. She
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deployed ten thousand troops. No one has ever done that
before her or since, and so that has led to
a huge reduction in illegal activity across the southwest border,
including fentanyl precursors into their country and then fentanyl across
our border.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We're talking to Ron Vitello, US Customs and Border Protection
Senior advisor for this administration. Ron, let's talk about big
beautiful Wall, major promise from Trump in the first term.
He has returned to this issue now in his second term.
I know that one of the ways that Steven Miller
and others are really trying to get people focused in
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on the need to pass this big beautiful bill is
saying that there's ample funding for border patrol, including for
wall barrier actually securing it. What can you tell us
about that and the status of the wall right now?
How long would it take if we had the funding
to get a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
More of it in place. Let's do a little wall deep.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Dive well to get the requirement that's identified by the
more patrol supported by the president. Right, he built a
lot of wall in the first term Trump won, and
we expect to build a lot more in Trump two.
And so what we're doing now, with the help of
the Department of Defense, we have ten thousand of our
own troops on the southwest border helping the border patrol
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side by side. Part of what they're doing is giving
agents better access to the border, fortifying the wall, and
increasing the infrastructure that prevents people from entering at the border.
About one hundred new miles of barrier placed either by
DoD or buy the border patrol itself with the existing
contracting and the funding left over from Trump one. So
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Biden comes in, he puts a moratorium on all border construction,
and so it froze the activity for a while. And
now we're in the we have the ability for the
next year or so to spend the little money that's
left from Trump one on wall, and that's equated so
far to about one hundred miles, and then there'll be
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new wall constructed using the funds from Trump one. And
then we're hopeful that when the reconciliation passes, there will
be a huge investment in infrastructure, including wall and tech
that supports the wall and the agents on the ground
access to the border, to give us about another hundred
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about another seven hundred miles. Some of that will be
dual barrier. We'll have some stuff in the river and
on land in places like Texas where the river is
actually the border, and in other places will fortify what
exists an increased wall to about seven hundred new miles
under Trump two.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Is there a sense, and I know from just law
enforcements sources down along the border, border patrol sources and
the various collection platforms that we have, is there a
sense from the narco terrorist cartels on the other side
of the border that, oh, there's definitely a new sheriff
in town.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
You know that there's pressure from the Mexican government, which
is as effective as it can be given the circumstances.
The military to military relationship is producing results, including US
helping TARGE get known cartel members both sides of the border,
and it's just really hard now to cross the border
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versus the way it was before January twentieth, twenty twenty five,
and so they are not being as successful. We're watching
the reaction from the cartels. We had a really good
intercept in Laredo yesterday of unmanned aerial systems small drones,
if you will, one of those yesterday.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Wait, so they're using drones to try to drop off
product drugs.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
We believe this one was counter surveillance. Ah okay, but
it remains to be seen. We're going to try to
exploit that the media that's in there to figure out
exactly what it was.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But so they're using drones to watch you guys or
your guys at border patrol.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Correct, correct, that's they're using them mostly for that, but
it's not unheard of for them to bring small packages,
I mean fentanyl. You know, the profit margin on fentanyl
is huge in Mexico, and so they use it for
those things as well. But again, giving agents time and ability,
this was something that wouldn't have happened seven months ago
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because they were too distracted with the mash of humanity
that was coming into the border every twenty four hours.
Now we have the ability when those sensors go off
and when we can deploy against those active threats. They did,
in fact Caesar drone in Laredo yesterday, and that's what
the cartel is capable of, and so we'll see more
of that. You know, there was a seizure in San
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Diego of about seven thousand pounds of methanthetamine in California,
which you know, we haven't seen a seizure in that
size in probably over a year, and it was because
the agents on the ground, the front line has the
time and ability to do the work, you know, using
the shoe leather, using their brains, using the intelligence holdings
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that exist in the United States to track that seven
thousand pounds. We probably would not have gotten that pre
Trump because we're just too busy with the legal activity
that was coming across the border. So yeah, the cartels
have reacted. We're seeing increases on the coast near San Diego.
We expect that to be the case in near Brownsville
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as well. The subterranean threat has now been magnified in
the sense that the land border is much harder to cross,
and so all the alternative routes of entry are going
to start to be used and exploited, and so we
need to be vigilant. That's why we need to backstop
what the frontline can do with policy and rhetoric and consequences.
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With more resources as in wall, as an infrastructure, as
in boots on the ground, that all has to be
fortified and sustained if we want to keep the promise
of making America safe again.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Wondering if you could just speak to the morale of
the men and women of border patrol now and what
it feels like to have the mission and resources squared
away like they have been so far in this administration.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, No, the morale is very high. Lots of smiles
on the faces of the men and women who now
have the tools and the support that they require to
be successful. You know, agents are recruited because they are
interested in a career that it is mostly outdoors that
mostly protects the country, that mostly is involved in activity
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designed to protect us all. And they weren't able to
do that for the last for the for the last administration,
for the entirety of Biden administration. They are back in business.
The nonsense is over. They have support all the way
to the Oval office. You have the Secretary Noome out
there visiting face to face with the front line, asking
them what they need, ensuring they have those tools, and
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watching them be successful. And it's not just the incumbent agents,
but it's also recruitment is off the charts, doubled since
you know, before Trump, and so yeah, it's all going
in that right direction as it relates to them being success,
which is why most of them are there. That's why
they take the oath because they want to protect us
all and now they have an opportunity to succeed as well.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Ronvitzello, advisor to CBP, Thanks for the good work, so
I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
This is Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
We're joined by Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Senator Mark Waynemullen.
I'm sorry, Senator Mullen, well also correct, good to have
you on.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Senator Buck, thanks for having me on. And anything works,
but you don't have to call the title Mark Wayne
Mullen idiot. Full All those work. I'll enter to them
all I.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Believe you are an MMA fighter, so I'm going.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To pass on the idiot, but I will I will
definitely keep in mind that you are not one who
stands on ceremony and formality, So thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, but tell me this.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I mean, look, we you know, I don't know. I'm
sure you know what this is lake, your United States Senator.
Some of us, you get a little cra and the
crossfire on some things. On the one hand, we're talking
we have people from the Trump White House on and
they're talking about the big beautiful bill, the great things
that will do the boom in the economy. They believe
it will bring about take home pay for homes, all
that stuff. The other side, we get people we have
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had your colleague, Senator ran Paul Long, We've had your
colleagues Senator Ron Johnson on and they're saying, look, there's
some great stuff, but spends too much money. Where does
the big beautiful bills stand?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
On the Senate side, walk us through what's going on,
what you like, what maybe needs to change, and what
we should expect.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Well, first of all, I mean, this bill's been getting
negotiated since November, So this does anything do everybody's had
had time to put their input, and they're going to
have more time to put their input. So I got
all the respects in the world for Ron Johnson and
Ran Paul, but the truth is their ideas are great,
but it's their idea and they're going to have to
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get fifty one people to agree with them. And so
what we've got issues here is that we have Obama
slash Biden era policies. And I mean that sincerely, because
you know, Biden is just, you know, an extension of
the Obama era of policies except worse. So you have
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that's what we're currently operating underneath. And now you have
the Trump policy error that's trying to come in place,
and we do that through reconciliation. We all want to
cut more spending, I mean physically being physically responsible is
honestly what we all want to do. But the House
will cuts one point six trillion dollars from deficit spending.
And that's true deficit spending. Now, I've been up here
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for way too long, served in the House for ten
years and now two years in the Senate, and I
can tell you every time we've always had deficit cut.
It's always been a ten year cut, right, it's going
to save five hundred billion over ten years, and we
never actually achieve a ten year cut. This is one
point six trillion dollars cutting immediately, so it doesn't balance
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a budget, but it does move forward. And as we
move forward with this bill, hopefully we can even do better.
Hopefully we can get to two trullion dollars and cuts.
Except at the same time, we're trying to implement you know,
campaign promises too, and the American people want the Trump
policies that he campaigned on. In one of them is
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no tax on tips, no tax on on overtime, and
no tax on Social Security. Well that that adds costs too,
and so you've got to take it in and out
and reconciliation we can only deal with taxes and mandatory spending,
not discretionary spending. So we got a narrow window to
what we can actually work with. That's that's that's why
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it's called reconciliation and requires fifty one votes. We're a budget,
which we'll start on, you know, the the budget just
I mean our discretionary spending moving forward right after this,
and that's a sixty vote threshold. So my point that
I'm trying to get to Buck is that we have
a very narrow window that we can We're going to
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get all the cuts we can possibly get at the
end of the day when this bill goes to the floor.
This one big, beautiful bill that we've been working on
since November, and everybody's haid the fringing prints on, everybody's
had an opportunity to put their input on. We're going
to put whatever is on the floor that can get
fifty one votes so we can get away from the
Biden era policies and move forward to the Trump era policies,
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which is we're seeing the economy respond to already, and
we haven't passed the bill yet.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I wanted to have you react, Senator moll into what
Senator Paul says here about four Republicans who he believes
will not go along with the bill as it stands.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
This is cut three team play it.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
I think there are four of us at this point,
and I would be very surprised if the bill at
least is not modified in a good direction. Look, I
want to vote for it. I'm for the tax cuts.
I've voted for the tax cuts before. I want the
tax cuts to be permanent. But at the same time,
I don't want to raise the debt ceialing five trillions.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I've told him, if.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
You take the debt ceiling off the bill, in all likelihood,
I can vote for what the agreement is on the
rest of the bill, and it doesn't have to be
perfect to my liking. But I can't be if I
vote for the five trillion dollar debt. Who's left in
Washington that cares about the debt? We'll have lost. But
the Jill people own the debt once they vote for this.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
What do you make of that, Senator, Well, we're going
to have to raise a debt.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
You know, it's kind of like taking over a failing business.
Right When you take over a failing business, you don't
just start making money day one. You have to invest
in it. And that's why you bring in investors, and
investors are expecting you to get a return. And that's
what the American people did. They invested in the Republican
Party and expecting the return. But you can't just simply
turn it around. The Biden administration spent like drunken sailors.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
You know, we had.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Almost every almost every single agency in the last four
years has increased from fifty to one hundred percent in
what they're receiving for their budget in four years. So
we're cutting everybody's budget and we're bringing down the debt.
But you can't simply say that we're going to have
enough money to balance the budget immediately. We're going to
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have to borrow more money. And I think in two
and a half maybe three years, we can balance it
and we won't have to borrow any money if we
continue down the Trump policies that he's put forth. But
you can't do it now. And so I don't know
what Ran Paul wants us to do, because we are
in debt and the debt limit is going to hit
us regardless of what we do if we pass this
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bill we don't, it's going to hit us. And so
we have two choices as Republicans. We can put the
debt limit increase on reconciliation and only have to have
fifty one votes, meaning that we can do this without
the Democrats support, or we'd wait and we do it
on a budget bill, or we do it as a
standalone and we got to have sixty. So now we're
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going to have to negotiate with Chuck Schumer and the
Democrats to get them to give us seven or maybe
even more votes, and probably more than likely by the
time we negotiate with them, there's going to be a
lot of Republicans that aren't going to want to vote
for it, and so instead of just having seven, we're
gonna end up having to have fifteen or twenty Democrats. Now,
can you imagine what type of deal we'll have to
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strike with them, because we're going to raise a dead limit.
Regardless we're going to raise a dead limit, we're going
to raise it. If we raise it four point five trillion,
I will be willing to tell you Buck right now,
we'll have to raise it again another two and a
half trillion. And so I feel like we should just
go ahead and raise a dead limit enough that we
know if the numbers continue to grow the way they are,
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with the GDP growing, with the debt decrease in deficit spending,
because we're doing one point six off of discretionary or
off of mandatory, and the next then when we start
doing the budget bills, we can even do more off
discretionary spending. By those two graphs, they're going to meet
in about two and a half for three years. It'll
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be the first time that a president has balanced the
budget since Clinton. But we're gonna have to borrow the
money to get to that point. So, like I said,
we can do it now and negotiate with Republicans only,
or we're going to do it later because there is
no B. There's either A or B because C means
with default and we're not going to default on the
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money we spent. We spent it, regardless we like it
or not. We spent it, so we got to pay
it back.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Speaking in Oklahoma, Centator Mark Wayne Mullen and Senator Mullen,
you're talking about balancing the budget in the future, not
on this Big beautiful What is the is the official
what is the official name of the bill? Sorry for
the diversion, but I'm curious. Is it going to be
called the Big Beautiful Bill or is there some boring DC.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Names for it.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I'm sure we're gonna come up with some ridiculous, you know,
acronym because we love acronyms up here. But right now
we're gonna call it what the President calls it, one
big beautiful And by the way, he just recently added
glamorous one, big beautiful, glamorous bill. But we don't I
don't know what the acronym is.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I gotcha, Okay, I mean I think I think we
just go with big beautiful bill. Everybody knows what we're
talking about with that one. I think, yeah, it'll drive
the It'll drive the Democrats completely insane, which makes it
even more fun and more.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Worthwhile right in and of itself.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But for those who because look, I get people who
call in or write in and they're they're upset, and
they start to say things like, we're just never actually
going to deal with the debt and all this talk
about dealing with the debt is is hot air. What
do you say to them? I mean, at what point
do we start to take the debt? Is it realistic
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that within the Trump administration, at some point we can
actually start to take the thirty six trillion dollar debt
in the other direction?
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Or is that just is the best.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
We can hope for slowing the increase over time, maybe
balancing it here and there.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
No, I think we can reverse it, but it takes
it takes three things to happen. For that to happen. One,
we got to have sound policy that the economy will
respond to. I mean, we got to have sound policy.
Economy who's going to respond to too. We've got to
have accurate policies that will drive innovation. And then number three,
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the politicians us, we have to be responsible with the
taxpayer dollars. And if you do those, the economy and
the spending levels will will eventually touch each other and
we'll will surpass them. If the GDP can grow right
around three percent and we can hold spending at its
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current level after we do the reconciliation, just by doing
that and not doing additional cuts, which we will do
additional cuts, but if we just do those, most economists
will tell you that the lines will touch in two
and a half or three years, depending on the investment
and how much we have. We see that inflation is
down to two point one percent already. That's huge, right.
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When we see the taxes become permanent, and then we
see all R and D, which will hopefully become permanent,
Research and development will come permanent where they can actually
write that off. You're going to see that that technology
filled increase here and you're going to see the growth begin,
which is exactly what you do with the business right,
you take out debt for potential earnings because you have
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a business plan, you borrow on it. The bank borrows
the less you borrow the money because they see your
business plan and they know that your growth is going
to eventually surpass enough to be able to pay you
off a debt. That's what third gamble is. Well, we
feel like we're trying to operate like a business because
we have a business guy in office, not just myself,
but the President Trump himself, and we're taking a business
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approach to it. We know we can't just simply cut
it off right now, which we are. We'd love to,
but we just can't find enough to cut all the
programs in this short period of time.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
The more we dig into them, the.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
More Doge continues to dive in, the more we continue
to dive in and see all the waste and fraud
that has been taking place in the government, the more
will continue to cut and and I feel this will
I mean it, sincerely, this is the first time that
I've ever been up here that I feel very very
confident that we will balance a budget. And the President
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has made it his plan that that's what he wants.
When he's sat down and taught to us, especially those
that have a relationship with him. This is this is
part of his make America great again. That he understands
how to make money, but he also understands debt and
how it works.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Senator, before we let you go and take a hard
turn here into just curiosity ville. You were an mm
A fighter for how many years?
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Well? I fought for three years. But before that we
were you know, we weren't considered professionals, right, uh so
there is additional fights too. But you know, I wasn't
as good as a lot of these other guys out
there that everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Who do you think is the best of all time
taking punch?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, because because you've been in that arena, literally
inside that cage, right, who do you think is the
best all time?
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Boy, Well, you gotta go way back. You got to
talk about John Jones. John Jones is just even though
he's had personal issues, the guy has just been a
beast and people call him the goat just because he's had,
you know, some issues. I still think the guy was
just the most dangerous man that stepped in the ring.
I mean, the guy is just a stud but when
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he started looking at some of these old school guys
Raandy Couture for instance, instance, I mean, here, this guy
comes in, he wins, you know, he wins two different
divisions as a world titles for the USC. I think
he ended up winning five total altogether. I'm trying to
pull that off. Drop my head. Rady's actuate friend of mine.
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He's gonna be upset that I can't remember his record.
But the guy was just absolutely unbelievable. He came in
and made some fights and fought up on up weights
that most people didn't expect him to build to do.
He embarrassed Ken Shan Rock and spanked his butt. And
and Ken is a guy that I trained.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
With some so.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
And and he just there's just a whole host. It
just spends on the year that you want to get
to right you can. There's a whole bunch of guys
that's come in there. Daniel Cormy uh d C which
people talk about. Everybody underestimated him and he did. He
did just phenomenal work in there, and he didn't look
like he ever belonged in in the division. But you
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got at one time you had a big rig uh
was his name Johnny Hendricks, who was walking through everybody right,
uh and and at that at that time. But now
could he compete with the days fighters? That's what The
days fighters are so much better talent than we ever
were back then. We're just a bunch of bankers. Now,
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these guys they've been they grew up in the in
the field.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
One more lightning round, quick, just quick for kind of
related best martial arts movie all time in your mind.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
By sport.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
That is the correct answer. All right, he got it,
Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Everybody, Senator, appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Come back soon, all right, see you bye.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Thanks for listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
All right, we've been trying to track him down for
a bit, but he's really busy. He's finally with us
for very please, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, Mister Secretary, welcome
on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey man, this I think this is my inaugural visit
to the program. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We're honored to have you. Clay sends his regards. He
is on the golf course today. I'm hearing rumors that
he hited three hundred and forty yards from the back teez.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I don't know if that's true or not, but this
is what people are saying. But tell me this. Let's
let's let's just leave to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Play on the golf course on the day I show up.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, let's let's do this. Though, tell me what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Particularly, I'm a New Yorker at least I grew up
in New York, so I spent plenty of time in
Newark Airport. It has been a total mess. The air
traffic control situation seems like it's a disaster that you
inherited here. And is it getting better? What is the problem.
Why are we constantly having all these flight delays that
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aren't weather related? How does it get fixed? You got
a lot of frustrated flyers out there. We're hoping you're
going to help clear all this nonsense up. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, So first we have to recognize this has been
a problem that's been burning for a long time, but
it was coming to a head over the last four years.
Over the last administration, our government watchdog group sold Biden
and Bluta judge listener, you're going to have real problems.
You need to fix the air traffic control system, and
they did into anything. So they've left it to us.
And what you saw in Newark is kind of a
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culmination of several of the problems that we have in
the airspace. And they happened at the same time. So
in Newark you had three things. One, they shut down
a runway to repay it, right, they open it up
thirteen days before schedule. Great out the poort authority. But
the two issues that remaining are issues that we see
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throughout the whole system. We're three thousand air traffic controllers
short nationwide, and so you're seeing a lack of controllers
in the Philly Tracon that controls the Newark air space,
and then we're having teletoon issues. Our our infrastructure for
air traffic control still uses copper wires. Nobody uses copper
(02:23):
wires anymore. Everyone's on fiber. So we were having telecom
issues in the Philly Traycon and we resolved that issue
on on the on the on the copper wire. But
Verizon moved incredibly fast, our partner there, and laid brand
new fiber between Philly and New York, and so it's
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not way. We're still testing that that that uh, that fiber.
You want to be ultra safe before you switch it over.
That will be tested through probably the end of June
or early July. And then there's twenty two controllers in
the Philly Traycon. Six of them are out right now,
five for the trauma that they had because of the
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outages from late April early May. One is on sick lead.
We brought in twenty two new controllers to train in
Silly right now.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
When I say a new controller, what I mean is
this could be an air traffic controller who is certified
in a different airspace, say Denver, if they come to
the Philly tray con to control a different airspace, they
have to get recertified on that specific airspace. And so
most of these are experienced controllers, but it's going to
take them time to get certified. So the problems of
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telecom and the problems of the runway, and the problems
of the controllers, you're going to have a slow roll
of continual improvement. But you were seeing and I'm giving
you a lot of information here, Buck, but what you
saw was this, we reduced the capacity a new So
all these flights were scheduled, but they weren't flying because
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we reduced the capacity, and you saw delays and cancelations,
and it was a disaster for a couple of weeks.
What we've done is we've got all the airlines to
agree that we're gonna reduce our capacity. So if you
book in Newark now, you actually fly. And that's what's key.
No one wants to go to be here and wait
four hours and be canceled. So because of the agreement
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that we have at Newark, everyone says, Okay, we're not
gonna have as many flights coming out of here, but
the ones we do have will actually go. So we're
on the path to resolve in it. But all these
solutions take time because you can't set your fingers and
create more controllers, and you can't you know, quickly run
fiber and then you know, cook be tested. But we're
doing it and it's going to get better in Newark.
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But give me some grace now.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Nationwide, mister Secretary, there's also it feels like and you
see a lot of people complaining about it on X
I'm sure just flight delays have it feels like the
problem is constantly getting worse, not better. So you've talked
to us about Newark, but just in general across the country,
how do we get it so that especially a lot
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of these routes where people are flying, you know, and
there's a sixty or seventy percent delay rate, Some of
these delay rates just seems unconscionable. Is that a function
of airlines got to scale back the flights? Is it
air traffic control? How do we get it so that
people can really believe credibly if there's clear skies. Okay,
I'm not talking about if there's tornadoes or crazy weather,
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but if the weather is fine, their plane's probably going
to take off when it's supposed to and they're probably
going to get off it when they're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, So we are using equipment that is you know,
twenty five to thirty five years old in whether it's
the towers that are at the airports, the traycon you know,
is the next ring out from the tower. It's really
old equipment and it's really old telecom. And so I'm
gonna need a lot of money from Congress. It should
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have been done, you know, a decade ago. It wasn't,
and we have to basically gut and build brand new
our air traffic control system with the best technology in
the world. We can do it really quickly. It's going
to take you know, three years. If the Congress clears
the committing process for me. If I don't have to
go through an EPA that just you know stacks, you know,
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you know, a month upon month or a year upon year,
they clear that for me, we're going to be able
to do it fast. And what you'll see is you
can handle greater capacity with the new system that we're
going to build, and as new technology becomes available, you
can deploy it off this new system to get even
more efficiencies. It's it's instead of having buck instead of
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having the flip phone that you can send as many
updates as you want to your razor flip phone. If
that's in your genre, it was in mine, you can
you know, it's not an update. It is what it is.
It's all it's antiquated. That's what we have right now.
But if I build you an I Own fifteen, you
can deploy a ton of technology off of it. We're
gonna build you the iPhone fifteen that you can build
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technology off of. And you have to think that we're
gonna have more air travel, but it's going to get
more complicated because we're going to deploy. In the next years,
you're gonna see drone technology expand and services expands throughout
the country, where you're gonna get Amazon deliveries, you're gonna
get your your Uber Eats, You're gonna get a hocked
up of coffee from Starbucks if you stop, if you
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get your coffee at Starbucks, all by a drone. And
we're gonna have evatols. These are like the Ubers in
the air. They're they're they're they're they're they're big drones
that you can hold, you know, three four people in
You're going to see those deploy in the airspace.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
How far are we from that, mister Secretary, because that
sounds pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's very cool. So they're they're testing these uh these
uh evatols right now. They're they're they're I think you
can see the technology Advance or Sure, which is one
of the technologies, is actually as a contract with the
Olympics in twenty twenty eight, and it's not just the
showcase of technology. They actually have to use that technology
to move people around all the different sites at the
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LA Olympics. So it's moving very fast. The FAA has
to certify it, make sure it's safe. Eventually you'll see
you and have These will not be piloted. They can
be autonomous or right now in certain parts of the
country like in Texas, then the drone deliveries are are
happening in certain parts of the country right now. Evey successful.
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People love them. And what they've done with drones is
obviously the noise becomes a concern. They've done really well
innovating on props to reduce the noise. You really know
what's in the sky when it's covering over your house,
drop in product or setting product down.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's very cool.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, that's looking forward to having that going on. But obviously,
if it's tough to have air traffic control for planes,
if we put thousands, tens of thousands, however many drones
and air taxis in the sky, that's gonna I assume
that's going to result in some interesting air traffic issues
as well.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
So hopefully that'll all get squared away.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Tell us about the report you just released California's high
speed rail sixteen billion dollars, seventeen years, no track laid.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, it's a great question. So first, I'm a conservative.
I would love to have high speed rail in America.
I think it would be great if we can do it.
This was the first big project and like liberals, seem
to always deliver the same results, which are not very good.
This was supposed to be done years ago and it
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was supposed to cost a little over twenty billion dollars.
They haven't laid any track. They've spent billions. They've now
told us that they can complete a truncated portion of
the project by twenty thirty three. We looked at their data.
They've give us eighty thousand pages of documents. They just
can't do it. And so they have what four billion
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dollars of grants that have been given by the DOT
And it's our philosophy that there's if we give them
that for if we let that for billion dollars go,
that's four billion we don't have for other good projects
around the country. And I think the taxpayer expects us
to spend their money well and not to invest in boondoggles.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And so where do the money?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I got to ask mister Sigre. Where sixteen billion dollars.
It's a lot of money for a state level project.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
What was it spent on?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So they were they were buying land right and by
the way, there's there is an eyebrow raised for me
in that I was the land Who is buying land
along the route of this of this proposed high speed rail?
And how much money did they make and how they
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connected to politicians? All those questions need to be asked
and looked at. Is you know, was there any criminal activity?
I don't know, but I think it should be looked at.
The project now it's it is out over ten years.
And if they did the full project, there was supposed
to be you know, you know, tens of billions. It
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would be one hundred and thirty billion dollars to actually
build it, and they still don't know that they can
do it in any specific timeframe. So you have to
recognize that it's a nice concept. But Liberals all spend
money well, and they haven't done it well in this project.
And so at what point does does the government cut
bait and say, you know what, We're not going to
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do this one. But maybe there's other good projects across
the country that we could invest in that would that
would serve the population.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Law and tell us about what's in the assuming it
gets passed more or less as as is, uh, what
is in the big beautiful bill that will go to
transportation that will make a difference to the American people.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So for us, there's twelve billion dollars for this brand
new air traffic control system. That's not going to be enough.
You got to think about this. It's this is the biggest,
it's nationwide infrastructure. It is the most important infrastructure that
we're going to build on in the last several decades
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for sure, because it's such a big part of our economy.
People find whether it's business or pleasure. We move a
lot of products through the air and so we have
twelve billion. We'll need more than that at a later point.
We're going to have to give it to us. One
of the problems buck in the past is the Congress
would give tranches of money to the FAA and then
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the priority would change or the administration changes, and they
never got the money. So we need to get the
money up front. So twelve billion is a nice start.
We can begin the project, but this year I need
to get the rest of the money, and then in
that secondary bill we can hopefully get the throwing the
deck of the of the of the permits. I also
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think is that polls making sure we don't get a
massive tax increase. That's big force and the big beautiful bill. Also,
there's a provision that if you buy a brand new
car that was made in America, you can write up
to right off up to ten thousand dollars of your
interest payments on the vehicle, So again incentivizing people to
buy new cars. And the president's doing all kinds of
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things to deliver on the promises that he made during
the campaign, which, by the way, is nice that we
have presidents that actually do what they say or try
to accomplish what they promised.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, Sir, thank you so much for
being with us, and please fix all the things.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
In the podole of two bucks right at your house,
I got to you.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, you got me. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Good to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
We're talking to Ron Vitello, US Customs and Border Protections
Senior Advice.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Ron.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Thanks for making the time for us. Let's just start
with this.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
How is it that Trump is able to secure the
southern border almost at a one hundred percent level. I
mean it's in the ninety something percent drop so quickly.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
How do you do it?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Leadership matters. He's got a good team in place, with
the likes of Secretary Nome, and there are now consequences
unlike anything I've ever seen on the Southwest border. So
that rhetoric that says we're going to do this, the
American people gave him that mandate action by the front line,
you know, directed by the leadership, and actual consequences to
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the event of crossing the border illegally are now in
place in a way, like I've said, like you know,
I've been in and out of this business for forty years,
and I've never seen anything like it. It was so
rapid the change at the Southwest border, it even surprised me.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But so I think this would be really interesting, Ron,
if I if I could just ask you, because I
had seen, unfortunately in the bad old days of the wide.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Open border, what happens. People would would walk up to
border patrol. I mean they would.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Walk across where there wasn't a wall or there wasn't barrier,
which there's a lot of places where that's still the case.
They'd walk up and they would wave border patrol down.
They would say here I am, and sometimes through a translator,
or sometimes they would say it in English some version
of I have a credible fear of violence in my country.
And they would be processed and let into America, sometimes
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with a like a ticket to a peer, or turn
and show up somewhere in the system later on.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I mean, the whole thing was just a joke.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
What happens now if you show up and you just
want to come into America illegally.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Well, it's a high likelihood that when you're arrested, if
even if you gave up or if you were trying
to evade. There's a lot of that's still going on.
You're taking into custody like before, you're put into the
system like before, and then you referred for prosecution, the
acceptance right from the US Attorney's office all across the
southwest border and then northern border in some places as
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well as over ninety percent. And so I'll just give
you an example of what that means. When I was
a second line supervisor in Nogallas, Arizona, we could not
present a smuggling case, a criminal felony smuggling case, to
the US Attorney's office unless there were fifteen smuggled aliens
in the vehicle that we were trying to prosecute the
smuggler for driving. Right now, they're taking first time entrants
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who enter the border illegally as a case. It's dramatically
different than it's ever been. And so the high likelihood
is that after your process and put into the system,
you're going to be referred and then accepted for prosecution,
and you'll have to see a judge for the crime
committed crossing the border illegally when that process is over,
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and those individuals sentenced regardless of what country they're from,
they're sent back very rapidly. The average time and custody
for folks that are in iced attention is very very low,
lower than it's been in a long time. And so
people are being removed from the US all over the
world in very short order.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And also I'm seeing a lot of confusion ron from
some parts of the media, maybe confusion, surprise, astonishment that
there's such a drop in Fentanel at the border that's
crossing what's going on there, Because I think I think
our audience, I think everybody right now, they listen, they go, oh,
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I think I know what's going on.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Yeah, of course they know that this has been a
problem for many, many years. The President engaged worldwide, specifically
in Canada and Mexico the threat of terroriffs tariffs just
to make sure that they weren't allowing precursors to come
into the country from China and that they had to
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do more on the border, on the physical border, to
protect that border. And so both of those countries engaged
again in ways I never seen. Right, ten thousand troops
from the Mexican National Guard deployed on their northern border,
our southern border Canada has done more to protect their
physical border than I've ever seen. Helicopters, night vision equipment,
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dedicated patrols from state, local, provincial, and the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police, and so everybody is doing their part to
help protect those borders and the sovereignty of each of
their countries, thereby giving us a better chance at the
physical border to find this stuff, and then the cartels
know that it's just not a walk in the park
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as it was for the four years of the Biden administration.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Just to make sure that everyone is clear on this one,
what you're telling me is that on tariffs alone, there
has been a big.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Victory for the border, so that the tool of.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Tariff negotiations to get us border security that's already a win,
is what I'm gathering from what you're saying, especially with you,
or rather with Mexico and Canada.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
One percent, there is no question that Canada and Mexico
are doing more than they have ever done in the
history of the relationships of these three countries than they
are doing right now today. And recognize, you know, Canada
put together legislation to spend millions of dollars on their
border to help us to help identify the threats that
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are there. They now have a fentanyl zar, which they
didn't have before. January twentieth, twenty twenty five, ten thousand
troops on the Mexican border. And you'll remember the rhetoric
when Trump got elected, Claudia Scheinbaum the president in Mexico,
all due respect, she was saying terrible things about how
she wasn't going to work, she wasn't going to do
the bidding of the United States or this president. She
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deployed ten thousand troops. No one has ever done that
before her or since, and so that has led to
a huge reduction in illegal activity across the southwest border,
including fentanyl precursors into their country and then fentanyl across
our border.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We're talking to Ron Vitello, US Customs and Border Protection
Senior advisor for this administration. Ron, let's talk about big
beautiful Wall, major promise from Trump in the first term.
He has returned to this issue now in his second term.
I know that one of the ways that Steven Miller
and others are really trying to get people focused in
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on the need to pass this big beautiful bill is
saying that there's ample funding for border patrol, including for
wall barrier actually securing it. What can you tell us
about that and the status of the wall right now?
How long would it take if we had the funding
to get a lot.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
More of it in place. Let's do a little wall deep.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Dive well to get the requirement that's identified by the
more patrol supported by the president. Right, he built a
lot of wall in the first term Trump won, and
we expect to build a lot more in Trump two.
And so what we're doing now, with the help of
the Department of Defense, we have ten thousand of our
own troops on the southwest border helping the border patrol
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side by side. Part of what they're doing is giving
agents better access to the border, fortifying the wall, and
increasing the infrastructure that prevents people from entering at the border.
About one hundred new miles of barrier placed either by
DoD or buy the border patrol itself with the existing
contracting and the funding left over from Trump one. So
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Biden comes in, he puts a moratorium on all border construction,
and so it froze the activity for a while. And
now we're in the we have the ability for the
next year or so to spend the little money that's
left from Trump one on wall, and that's equated so
far to about one hundred miles, and then there'll be
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new wall constructed using the funds from Trump one. And
then we're hopeful that when the reconciliation passes, there will
be a huge investment in infrastructure, including wall and tech
that supports the wall and the agents on the ground
access to the border, to give us about another hundred
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about another seven hundred miles. Some of that will be
dual barrier. We'll have some stuff in the river and
on land in places like Texas where the river is
actually the border, and in other places will fortify what
exists an increased wall to about seven hundred new miles
under Trump two.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Is there a sense, and I know from just law
enforcements sources down along the border, border patrol sources and
the various collection platforms that we have, is there a
sense from the narco terrorist cartels on the other side
of the border that, oh, there's definitely a new sheriff
in town.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
You know that there's pressure from the Mexican government, which
is as effective as it can be given the circumstances.
The military to military relationship is producing results, including US
helping TARGE get known cartel members both sides of the border,
and it's just really hard now to cross the border
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versus the way it was before January twentieth, twenty twenty five,
and so they are not being as successful. We're watching
the reaction from the cartels. We had a really good
intercept in Laredo yesterday of unmanned aerial systems small drones,
if you will, one of those yesterday.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Wait, so they're using drones to try to drop off
product drugs.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
We believe this one was counter surveillance. Ah okay, but
it remains to be seen. We're going to try to
exploit that the media that's in there to figure out
exactly what it was.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But so they're using drones to watch you guys or
your guys at border patrol.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Correct, correct, that's they're using them mostly for that, but
it's not unheard of for them to bring small packages,
I mean fentanyl. You know, the profit margin on fentanyl
is huge in Mexico, and so they use it for
those things as well. But again, giving agents time and ability,
this was something that wouldn't have happened seven months ago
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because they were too distracted with the mash of humanity
that was coming into the border every twenty four hours.
Now we have the ability when those sensors go off
and when we can deploy against those active threats. They did,
in fact Caesar drone in Laredo yesterday, and that's what
the cartel is capable of, and so we'll see more
of that. You know, there was a seizure in San
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Diego of about seven thousand pounds of methanthetamine in California,
which you know, we haven't seen a seizure in that
size in probably over a year, and it was because
the agents on the ground, the front line has the
time and ability to do the work, you know, using
the shoe leather, using their brains, using the intelligence holdings
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that exist in the United States to track that seven
thousand pounds. We probably would not have gotten that pre
Trump because we're just too busy with the legal activity
that was coming across the border. So yeah, the cartels
have reacted. We're seeing increases on the coast near San Diego.
We expect that to be the case in near Brownsville
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as well. The subterranean threat has now been magnified in
the sense that the land border is much harder to cross,
and so all the alternative routes of entry are going
to start to be used and exploited, and so we
need to be vigilant. That's why we need to backstop
what the frontline can do with policy and rhetoric and consequences.
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With more resources as in wall, as an infrastructure, as
in boots on the ground, that all has to be
fortified and sustained if we want to keep the promise
of making America safe again.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Wondering if you could just speak to the morale of
the men and women of border patrol now and what
it feels like to have the mission and resources squared
away like they have been so far in this administration.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, No, the morale is very high. Lots of smiles
on the faces of the men and women who now
have the tools and the support that they require to
be successful. You know, agents are recruited because they are
interested in a career that it is mostly outdoors that
mostly protects the country, that mostly is involved in activity
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designed to protect us all. And they weren't able to
do that for the last for the for the last administration,
for the entirety of Biden administration. They are back in business.
The nonsense is over. They have support all the way
to the Oval office. You have the Secretary Noome out
there visiting face to face with the front line, asking
them what they need, ensuring they have those tools, and
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watching them be successful. And it's not just the incumbent agents,
but it's also recruitment is off the charts, doubled since
you know, before Trump, and so yeah, it's all going
in that right direction as it relates to them being success,
which is why most of them are there. That's why
they take the oath because they want to protect us
all and now they have an opportunity to succeed as well.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Ronvitzello, advisor to CBP, Thanks for the good work, so
I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
This is Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
We're joined by Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Senator Mark Waynemullen.
I'm sorry, Senator Mullen, well also correct, good to have
you on.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Senator Buck, thanks for having me on. And anything works,
but you don't have to call the title Mark Wayne
Mullen idiot. Full All those work. I'll enter to them
all I.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Believe you are an MMA fighter, so I'm going.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To pass on the idiot, but I will I will
definitely keep in mind that you are not one who
stands on ceremony and formality, So thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, but tell me this.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I mean, look, we you know, I don't know. I'm
sure you know what this is lake, your United States Senator.
Some of us, you get a little cra and the
crossfire on some things. On the one hand, we're talking
we have people from the Trump White House on and
they're talking about the big beautiful bill, the great things
that will do the boom in the economy. They believe
it will bring about take home pay for homes, all
that stuff. The other side, we get people we have
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had your colleague, Senator ran Paul Long, We've had your
colleagues Senator Ron Johnson on and they're saying, look, there's
some great stuff, but spends too much money. Where does
the big beautiful bills stand?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
On the Senate side, walk us through what's going on,
what you like, what maybe needs to change, and what
we should expect.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Well, first of all, I mean, this bill's been getting
negotiated since November, So this does anything do everybody's had
had time to put their input, and they're going to
have more time to put their input. So I got
all the respects in the world for Ron Johnson and
Ran Paul, but the truth is their ideas are great,
but it's their idea and they're going to have to
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get fifty one people to agree with them. And so
what we've got issues here is that we have Obama
slash Biden era policies. And I mean that sincerely, because
you know, Biden is just, you know, an extension of
the Obama era of policies except worse. So you have
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that's what we're currently operating underneath. And now you have
the Trump policy error that's trying to come in place,
and we do that through reconciliation. We all want to
cut more spending, I mean physically being physically responsible is
honestly what we all want to do. But the House
will cuts one point six trillion dollars from deficit spending.
And that's true deficit spending. Now, I've been up here
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for way too long, served in the House for ten
years and now two years in the Senate, and I
can tell you every time we've always had deficit cut.
It's always been a ten year cut, right, it's going
to save five hundred billion over ten years, and we
never actually achieve a ten year cut. This is one
point six trillion dollars cutting immediately, so it doesn't balance
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a budget, but it does move forward. And as we
move forward with this bill, hopefully we can even do better.
Hopefully we can get to two trullion dollars and cuts.
Except at the same time, we're trying to implement you know,
campaign promises too, and the American people want the Trump
policies that he campaigned on. In one of them is
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no tax on tips, no tax on on overtime, and
no tax on Social Security. Well that that adds costs too,
and so you've got to take it in and out
and reconciliation we can only deal with taxes and mandatory spending,
not discretionary spending. So we got a narrow window to
what we can actually work with. That's that's that's why
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it's called reconciliation and requires fifty one votes. We're a budget,
which we'll start on, you know, the the budget just
I mean our discretionary spending moving forward right after this,
and that's a sixty vote threshold. So my point that
I'm trying to get to Buck is that we have
a very narrow window that we can We're going to
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get all the cuts we can possibly get at the
end of the day when this bill goes to the floor.
This one big, beautiful bill that we've been working on
since November, and everybody's haid the fringing prints on, everybody's
had an opportunity to put their input on. We're going
to put whatever is on the floor that can get
fifty one votes so we can get away from the
Biden era policies and move forward to the Trump era policies,
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which is we're seeing the economy respond to already, and
we haven't passed the bill yet.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I wanted to have you react, Senator moll into what
Senator Paul says here about four Republicans who he believes
will not go along with the bill as it stands.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
This is cut three team play it.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
I think there are four of us at this point,
and I would be very surprised if the bill at
least is not modified in a good direction. Look, I
want to vote for it. I'm for the tax cuts.
I've voted for the tax cuts before. I want the
tax cuts to be permanent. But at the same time,
I don't want to raise the debt ceialing five trillions.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I've told him, if.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
You take the debt ceiling off the bill, in all likelihood,
I can vote for what the agreement is on the
rest of the bill, and it doesn't have to be
perfect to my liking. But I can't be if I
vote for the five trillion dollar debt. Who's left in
Washington that cares about the debt? We'll have lost. But
the Jill people own the debt once they vote for this.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
What do you make of that, Senator, Well, we're going
to have to raise a debt.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
You know, it's kind of like taking over a failing business.
Right When you take over a failing business, you don't
just start making money day one. You have to invest
in it. And that's why you bring in investors, and
investors are expecting you to get a return. And that's
what the American people did. They invested in the Republican
Party and expecting the return. But you can't just simply
turn it around. The Biden administration spent like drunken sailors.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
You know, we had.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Almost every almost every single agency in the last four
years has increased from fifty to one hundred percent in
what they're receiving for their budget in four years. So
we're cutting everybody's budget and we're bringing down the debt.
But you can't simply say that we're going to have
enough money to balance the budget immediately. We're going to
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have to borrow more money. And I think in two
and a half maybe three years, we can balance it
and we won't have to borrow any money if we
continue down the Trump policies that he's put forth. But
you can't do it now. And so I don't know
what Ran Paul wants us to do, because we are
in debt and the debt limit is going to hit
us regardless of what we do if we pass this
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bill we don't, it's going to hit us. And so
we have two choices as Republicans. We can put the
debt limit increase on reconciliation and only have to have
fifty one votes, meaning that we can do this without
the Democrats support, or we'd wait and we do it
on a budget bill, or we do it as a
standalone and we got to have sixty. So now we're
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going to have to negotiate with Chuck Schumer and the
Democrats to get them to give us seven or maybe
even more votes, and probably more than likely by the
time we negotiate with them, there's going to be a
lot of Republicans that aren't going to want to vote
for it, and so instead of just having seven, we're
gonna end up having to have fifteen or twenty Democrats. Now,
can you imagine what type of deal we'll have to
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strike with them, because we're going to raise a dead limit.
Regardless we're going to raise a dead limit, we're going
to raise it. If we raise it four point five trillion,
I will be willing to tell you Buck right now,
we'll have to raise it again another two and a
half trillion. And so I feel like we should just
go ahead and raise a dead limit enough that we
know if the numbers continue to grow the way they are,
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with the GDP growing, with the debt decrease in deficit spending,
because we're doing one point six off of discretionary or
off of mandatory, and the next then when we start
doing the budget bills, we can even do more off
discretionary spending. By those two graphs, they're going to meet
in about two and a half for three years. It'll
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be the first time that a president has balanced the
budget since Clinton. But we're gonna have to borrow the
money to get to that point. So, like I said,
we can do it now and negotiate with Republicans only,
or we're going to do it later because there is
no B. There's either A or B because C means
with default and we're not going to default on the
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money we spent. We spent it, regardless we like it
or not. We spent it, so we got to pay
it back.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Speaking in Oklahoma, Centator Mark Wayne Mullen and Senator Mullen,
you're talking about balancing the budget in the future, not
on this Big beautiful What is the is the official
what is the official name of the bill? Sorry for
the diversion, but I'm curious. Is it going to be
called the Big Beautiful Bill or is there some boring DC.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Names for it.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I'm sure we're gonna come up with some ridiculous, you know,
acronym because we love acronyms up here. But right now
we're gonna call it what the President calls it, one
big beautiful And by the way, he just recently added
glamorous one, big beautiful, glamorous bill. But we don't I
don't know what the acronym is.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I gotcha, Okay, I mean I think I think we
just go with big beautiful bill. Everybody knows what we're
talking about with that one. I think, yeah, it'll drive
the It'll drive the Democrats completely insane, which makes it
even more fun and more.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Worthwhile right in and of itself.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
But for those who because look, I get people who
call in or write in and they're they're upset, and
they start to say things like, we're just never actually
going to deal with the debt and all this talk
about dealing with the debt is is hot air. What
do you say to them? I mean, at what point
do we start to take the debt? Is it realistic
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that within the Trump administration, at some point we can
actually start to take the thirty six trillion dollar debt
in the other direction?
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Or is that just is the best.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
We can hope for slowing the increase over time, maybe
balancing it here and there.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
No, I think we can reverse it, but it takes
it takes three things to happen. For that to happen. One,
we got to have sound policy that the economy will
respond to. I mean, we got to have sound policy.
Economy who's going to respond to too. We've got to
have accurate policies that will drive innovation. And then number three,
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the politicians us, we have to be responsible with the
taxpayer dollars. And if you do those, the economy and
the spending levels will will eventually touch each other and
we'll will surpass them. If the GDP can grow right
around three percent and we can hold spending at its
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current level after we do the reconciliation, just by doing
that and not doing additional cuts, which we will do
additional cuts, but if we just do those, most economists
will tell you that the lines will touch in two
and a half or three years, depending on the investment
and how much we have. We see that inflation is
down to two point one percent already. That's huge, right.
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When we see the taxes become permanent, and then we
see all R and D, which will hopefully become permanent,
Research and development will come permanent where they can actually
write that off. You're going to see that that technology
filled increase here and you're going to see the growth begin,
which is exactly what you do with the business right,
you take out debt for potential earnings because you have
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a business plan, you borrow on it. The bank borrows
the less you borrow the money because they see your
business plan and they know that your growth is going
to eventually surpass enough to be able to pay you
off a debt. That's what third gamble is. Well, we
feel like we're trying to operate like a business because
we have a business guy in office, not just myself,
but the President Trump himself, and we're taking a business
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approach to it. We know we can't just simply cut
it off right now, which we are. We'd love to,
but we just can't find enough to cut all the
programs in this short period of time.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
The more we dig into them, the.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
More Doge continues to dive in, the more we continue
to dive in and see all the waste and fraud
that has been taking place in the government, the more
will continue to cut and and I feel this will
I mean it, sincerely, this is the first time that
I've ever been up here that I feel very very
confident that we will balance a budget. And the President
(39:17):
has made it his plan that that's what he wants.
When he's sat down and taught to us, especially those
that have a relationship with him. This is this is
part of his make America great again. That he understands
how to make money, but he also understands debt and
how it works.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Senator, before we let you go and take a hard
turn here into just curiosity ville. You were an mm
A fighter for how many years?
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Well? I fought for three years. But before that we
were you know, we weren't considered professionals, right, uh so
there is additional fights too. But you know, I wasn't
as good as a lot of these other guys out
there that everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Who do you think is the best of all time
taking punch?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, because because you've been in that arena, literally
inside that cage, right, who do you think is the
best all time?
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Boy, Well, you gotta go way back. You got to
talk about John Jones. John Jones is just even though
he's had personal issues, the guy has just been a
beast and people call him the goat just because he's had,
you know, some issues. I still think the guy was
just the most dangerous man that stepped in the ring.
I mean, the guy is just a stud but when
(40:28):
he started looking at some of these old school guys
Raandy Couture for instance, instance, I mean, here, this guy
comes in, he wins, you know, he wins two different
divisions as a world titles for the USC. I think
he ended up winning five total altogether. I'm trying to
pull that off. Drop my head. Rady's actuate friend of mine.
(40:48):
He's gonna be upset that I can't remember his record.
But the guy was just absolutely unbelievable. He came in
and made some fights and fought up on up weights
that most people didn't expect him to build to do.
He embarrassed Ken Shan Rock and spanked his butt. And
and Ken is a guy that I trained.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
With some so.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
And and he just there's just a whole host. It
just spends on the year that you want to get
to right you can. There's a whole bunch of guys
that's come in there. Daniel Cormy uh d C which
people talk about. Everybody underestimated him and he did. He
did just phenomenal work in there, and he didn't look
like he ever belonged in in the division. But you
(41:30):
got at one time you had a big rig uh
was his name Johnny Hendricks, who was walking through everybody right,
uh and and at that at that time. But now
could he compete with the days fighters? That's what The
days fighters are so much better talent than we ever
were back then. We're just a bunch of bankers. Now,
(41:52):
these guys they've been they grew up in the in
the field.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
One more lightning round, quick, just quick for kind of
related best martial arts movie all time in your mind.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
By sport.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
That is the correct answer. All right, he got it,
Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Everybody, Senator, appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Come back soon, all right, see you bye.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Thanks for listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
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