November 23, 2025 • 42 mins
Miranda Devine, Author, New York Post columnist and host of the Pod Force One Podcast, Miranda Devine, joined Buck to discuss her blockbuster reporting on the internet footprint of Thomas Crooks, frightening details of FBI and Secret Service incompetence (or worse) and her reaction to Hunter Biden’s recent vicious attacks on her.
Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson talks to Buck about revelations in the Thomas Crooks case, what he thinks we’ll find in the Epstein files, the GOP plan to fix health care — and The Arctic Frost investigation.
Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullin joins Clay and Buck to explain why President Trump’s bombing of narcoterrorist boats is so important, and blasts Senator Rand Paul for opposing the action.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Right now, I got Miranda Devine breaking in here with
a phone call, and she's making some time for us.
She's very busy right now, because she is right in
the midst of these revelations about Thomas Crooks, the would
be assassin of Donald Trump. Miranda, your piece up on
the New York Post. I think we've got a crosspost
(00:36):
at clayanbuck dot com. It is very important. Let's start
with this. How sure are we, how solid are we
that this stuff about about Crooks right now is true?
That has been found online the YouTube accounts like go
through a little bit of the verification of that with us.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, sure. This is from a sauce who is obviously
very tech savvy and has basically used open source searching
of where archives using some tools that private investigators have,
but not using law enforcement tools. And you know, a
day after Butler YouTube, for instance, shut down Thomas Crooks's account,
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but my source managed to find old messages from there.
Now this was available to the FBI because we know
that the Deputy director Paul at back in July of
last year, a week two weeks after the Butler event,
he testified to Congress about this account with more than
(01:42):
seven hundred comments which we have which.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Our source gave us, and so you know, it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Our source found seventeen online accounts that Thomas Crooks had
signed up to using his own name, using a phone
number of Thomas Crooks that was publicly available, and his
email addresses that connected to all these accounts. So he's
cross checked it and is very satisfied that this is
(02:14):
the Thomas Crooks where he wasn't one hundred percent sure,
he said so, but he used these they're not really aliases,
but they're sort of handles cooks used on other social
media like gab and x.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
He used epic microwave.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That's also what he used on a site called deviant Art.
The only time he used an actual alias to sign
up for an account was with PayPal, and he used
the name Rod Swanson, which is the name of an
FBI agent who a former FBI agent from Vegas who
was partially involved in the Las Vegas, you know, mysterious
(02:56):
mass shooting. I've talked to him, knows nothing about it,
doesn't have a PayPal account, never never interacted with Thomas Crooks,
and doesn't even know how to set up a PayPal account.
But what he did tell me, because he's a very
senior former FBI guy, very seasoned, he said, it is
inconceivable that a kid with this kind of online communications
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and sort of violent rhetoric would not have been visited
or be on the radar of the FBR. So, you know,
other FBI people tell me the same thing. Some one
of them suggested that because August twenty twenty was when
Thomas was at his peak violent rhetoric, talking about assassinating
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political leaders and assassinating military leaders and using AR fifteenths,
which was similar to the gun that he used, and
just after that he goes dark. He just disappears off
all of these platforms.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You he's a go.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
But until August of twenty twenty, he's very prolific, and
you can see the trajectory of how he goes from
you know, age sort of fifteen sixteen, very pro Trump,
you know, like calling him the ultimate patriot, very anti Democrats,
anti the squad, anti Ilhanoma, and then something happens.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
To him in January twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
In the space a few months, he's gone from rapidly
pro Trump, he goes to rapidly anti Trump. He's got
flipped one hundred and ninety degrees, and then his rhetoric
gets more and more violent and disturbing, and you know, people,
it was so bad that there were people online interacting
him with him who were tagging the FBI and saying
(04:46):
to him, hey, you know, you're pretty dumb, like the
way you're talking openly.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Now it's good because now law enforcement knows where to
find you.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
So it's hard to believe the FBI didn't have him
in their sights. But Christopher Ray a week after Butler
testified to Congress that they had done a search of
their database and found nothing before Butler. So that doesn't
necessarily mean that they didn't have any interaction. And I
(05:13):
think Christopher Ray knew exactly what he was doing when
he phrased it in that way, because I know that
during my Biden research that there was interactions with whistleblowers
about the Biden family influence peddling corruption, and that was
(05:34):
not visible to any average FBI agent looking in the database.
It was hidden away deliberately by certain road FBI agents
in a place where it could only be found by
people who needed to know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So there's so much here, Miranda, I want, I think
it's so important everyone knows these details because it's.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's one way of putting it, that all this was
out there and that as you've as you said, from
even FBI sources of yours, that this would not have
been on the FBI's radar.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But an even.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Like lesser but also equally hard to believe component of
this to me seems to be that the FBI didn't
find this stuff, Like why how is it possible that
your person, your source was able to find this online
but the FBI wasn't able to write there's the possibility
of being on the radar before the shooting and the
and possible meeting with law enforcement. You've established that, But
(06:34):
how is it that we didn't know about this before?
Is the FBI? Are we to be told that they're
that incompetent? That is just it's mind blowing.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
No, I have no reason to think that the FBI
isn't fully aware of this and much more, I mean,
you know, it would be ridiculous to think that they
hadn't uncovered this, and in fact, Paula Bate, the deputy
director under Ray, did testify that they had this account
with more than seven hundred for their YouTuber count. So
I assume they have all of this and much more.
(07:06):
The question is why haven't they been more force coming,
particularly since Trump took over by When I contacted the
FBI about this story and asked them a number of questions, including,
I think the most important question, did you have any
interactions with Thomas.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Crooks before Butler?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Did anyone tip you off about Thomas Crooks? You know,
did you investigate him? Did you knock on his door?
That's what I'm told they should have knocked on his door.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Did you do that?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
What the answer I get from Cash Betel's FBI no comment,
that's it. So I don't understand it. And you know,
someone else said to me, well, maybe it was the
Secret Service because in August twenty twenty, Donald Trump was president,
so they have would be the primary agency that would
go and knock on a door if there's a threat
to one of their protect ee. But the Secret Service
(08:01):
gave me a better response when I asked them, and
they said basically that this would be in. This would
be something the FBI would do that even if they
said they have no record of crooks they said now.
But in any case, this is an FBI responsibility. So
I don't even think it's as simple as for between
(08:23):
the cracks between two agencies. The FBI knows a lot,
they have to know a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Just how much I don't know?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And can I jump in with there's something that we
didn't know or at least it wasn't imported until this
week that this guy used they then pronouns and was
interested in furries and had brought into the gender madness.
How could that not have been brought forward if the
FBI was operating in good faith and had access to
(08:51):
this information.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yes, I mean it's very slim. I have to emphasize that.
But like Tyler Robinson, edged assassin of Charlie Kirk, there
is a connection to this sexual fetish called furries, which
is people dressing up as animals or enjoying cartoon animal
humanized figures, having sex or being in sexual positions. So
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Thomas Crook, he's not shared any furry staff will talked
about it, but he was frequenting and had two accounts
on a site called deviant Art, which is the major
sort of furry hub online furry hub, and it's sort
of for the furry community, and he doesn't share anything
(09:40):
like that. He does share this sort of bizarre image
of a very muscle bound sort of Sylvester Stallone sort
of masculine body with a female head on top of it,
with a puny little guy next to it that looks
like him.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
That's sort of in a prostate.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
They're not dressed, they're a dressed in their underwear. So
that one and then other than that sort of cartoon
characters on this platform that are violent shooting each other
in the head and so on.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Right, he's clearly a sicko. What about the they them
pronoun stuff?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And he uses they them pronouns on deviant Art. That's
the first time we've seen that, so clearly some sort
of gender confusion or exploring gender identity again. I mean
that disturbing needs to explored because we've had so many
under school shooters. Tyler Robinson also in that vein his
(10:34):
living Lover. So I think it's pertinent and I don't
think it's enough for cash Betel say, oh, he was
alone act to forget about it. I mean, if there's
a pattern, we need to know about it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Ron Johnson.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It's not just me as a journalist or Tucker Carlson,
who also did an episode on this last week the
same source. It's also Ron Johnson, the Senator whose job
is oversight of the FB and he has been asking
since day one for a whole lot of information, including
you know, camera forensics, autopsy, other documents and getting stonewalled,
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and even under Trump's FBI he had to Ron Johnson
was very angry about the fact that in July, on
the one year anniversary of Butler, he had to subpoena
Cash Patel for the documents that he's been asking for.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So, you know, we will, we will have our team.
Let's let's get Ron john he may be listening right now.
Let's get Senator Johnson on here, because I want to
talk to him about this as well, because we need
to continue to follow this and push for this. Miranda,
this is all so important and everyone should go read
Miranda's piece at The New York Post. Also her podcast
Podforce one. Yeah, go go check out her podcast before
(11:52):
before we let you go, though, I know you've got
a whole bunch of hits today. Tell me, I want
to let you react to this. Honestly, you know, Clay
and I really appreciate your work and we appreciate you
as a person. Hunter Biden is a jerk. You were
always while you reported on him. You would always say, look,
he's kind of a sad guy, and like, you know,
he might actually and I you always had some when
(12:13):
you would talk to us about this on the air,
some degree of sympathy for the guy, because I think
you're just a nice person. I had to play this
because I want you to react. Hunter Biden here said
mean things about you and Clay and I are ready
to fight him. Play sixteen.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
There's no ethics in what, you know, like someone as
horrendously ugly as Miranda divine physically and in terms of
her in terms of ethics, it does. I mean she
is you know, a and then and and that goes
for you know, you know, I mean daily mail and
you know, but I mean they're horrors. I mean they're
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hores for money, and you know she does it because
she makes money. And you know, when when she goes
to sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine.
You know, I don't know anybody that's going to be
more than heroin. She's gone.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think, well, we appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Everything you said is a lie and he's a disgusting
piece of trash. I just do you feel like, oh man,
you were too nice to this guy. He's a horrible
human being. He truly is.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I still have the same impression of him that I've
always had. He's a broken human being, and look he's
lashing out. He noticed that in all his podcasts, he
never refutes a word that I said and what I've
written and what I've found. Even though he keeps up
the pretense through his lawyer, Abby Loll that he doesn't
know anything about the laptop. It's not his laptop, or
(13:38):
maybe it was his laptop, it was stolen, He never
refutes any of it. The millions of dollars, the fact
that he traded on his father's name, the fact that
his father was involved in getting him clients and then
he put him on the speakerphone, all that corruption during
Joe Biden's vice presidency to enrich his family. He doesn't,
he doesn't go into any of that. And trying to
(14:01):
send himself, he just attacks my appearance and hilariously calls
me a whore. So, I mean, you know, it's ridiculous,
and I think I just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I mean, I mean, he's he's like he should he
should be in prison, as we all know, he should
be serving a lengthy federal sentence in prison, but because
of Daddy, he's not. But I just, you know, Miranda,
I think there were a lot of people on the
right who were you know, they're, oh, he's an addict,
and they try to give some sympathy. I think what
you saw here, he's a disgusting human being. Uh and
(14:32):
and I and I thought that all along, So you know,
I just think he showed everybody what a piece of
garbage he is. And I'm just glad that you did
the completely accurate and fearless reporting on him that you did,
and that people knew the truth about the Bidens in
general and the Biden crime family. So and you know,
(14:52):
Claire and I are happy to have a word with
him outside the bar if we ever see him, you know,
after he says these mean things.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, anyway, Miranda, you're the best. You're the best.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah, and bet all right.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
People should go check out Podforce one. Thank you, Miranda.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton. You know
what we're thankful for this year, all of you.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
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Speaker 3 (15:26):
Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin joining US. Senator appreciate you
as always, sir, Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Oh Buck, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, man, things are great here. Let's let's get right
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
This revelation that came out, it was a combination of
reporting from Miranda Devine, Tucker Carlson on Thomas Crooks, the
would be assassin of Donald Trump, that really the first
of two would be assassins, but the one who actually
got shots off and managed to shoot the president in
the ear. There seems to be information that maybe the
(16:03):
FBI had but didn't public a release or first let
me ask you about that. What do you make of this?
That there were some accounts online that we weren't told
about that indicated at least at some level, Thomas Crooks
had become a using trans pronouns and all this kind
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of stuff. What do you make of this? Did the
FBI probably know and just not talk about it, or
did they miss it or what?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Well, again, I've got a great deal of sympathy for
cash Brutel, Dan Bongino, dam BONDI going to these agencies
trying to root out the deep state actors that many
are still burrowed in, unable to really hire the kind
of staff they need because of the lawfare against good
people like judge troops in Wisconsin and others. They're kind
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of reluctant to join the Trump administration during their career
be destroyed. So I've got I want to start there.
I've got a great deal simpthy. These has come into office,
They've got enormous messes. They're trying to clean up, actually
turn these agencies into what they they're meant to be
crime fighting units for the standpoint of the FBI. But
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at the same time, I'll say I've been frustrating. We
tried to undertake by Parisian investigation and then we did
some work but buying large What we found out about
Butler was pretty well gleaned by my investory staff in
the first week, primarily talking to local law officials I
issued where I considered a friendly subpoena too the FBI
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to help prompt more documents, more more information coming forward
with our liaison of the FBI actually thanked this for
the subpoena. But the fact matters, we really have not
gotten much. So we've had to go out and contact
phone carriers and social media companies. We're starting to get information.
We're piecing things together. You know that there are things
(17:57):
that are interesting that we need it had a complete
the investigation before we start publishing. But no, there's an
awful lot unknown about Thomas Crooks that from my standpoint,
we should have known quite some time ago.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So so, just so I'm clear on this, Senator, there's
an awful lot that the public should know about that
you think the FBI has and has not made public.
Or there's more that the FBI maybe didn't find.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
It's probably both both, Okay, yeah, yeah, you know again
we yeah, I mean, I'm frustrated. Fuck, there's no doubt
about it. But again, I don't want to be throwing
cast Telo Dan Bongino under the bus because yeah, just
so you know.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Senator, we don't do that. You know, we know cash
and uh and and Dan here. They're friends of ours,
you know, from before they took these jobs. They took
these jobs because they want to help and they want
to reform, and they you know, and we get a
lot of heat for standing up for them here because
some people have been very frustrated with even a lot
of Trump voters have been frustrated with a transparency issue.
But I try to remind everybody these are enormous, unwieldy,
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bureaucratic institutions that were really left rot from the inside
under previous administrations.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
There's a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
There really is. So we're pursuing this. I'm pretty well
undertaking the investigation now from Santa stan Point, just through
my firm Subcoming investigation kind of walked away from the
by Parson because it just slowed its way down. But again,
all I can say is that there's more information that
will eventually come out and some that we have yet
(19:36):
not yet discovered. So we're we're still doing investigation.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Now on the transparency issue. Obviously, you were a yes
vote for releasing the Epstein files because the Senate was
unanimous in this right one member of the House. Everyone
else voted for it. One member of the House is Look,
I'm his concern was that he thinks that there are
people that will be tainted who didn't do anything wrong,
but their name is just in some Okay, so that
was his, but everybody else voted to release this thing.
(20:02):
Can you just tell us what your sense is of
where the president has been on this one. I know
you talked to President Trump. He is now in favor
of it, But people keep asking to say, well, why
is he in favor of it now? Why has there
been this delay? And how do you see the release
of the Epstein files from the beginning of this administration
to president in terms of what's going on here, like
(20:24):
why has it been so stop?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Start?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Well? I thought the Speaker really did a pretty good
job laying out his concerns about, you know, information getting
out of the public domain that really would be harmful
to victims, and is that could be adequately protected in
whatever gets released this time. I would guess President Trump
has similar concerns. I think President Trump as I would
have similar concerns going is this evidence of these documents untainted?
(20:53):
You know that's true. They're in the Biden amidst of
the Biden administration, who were, I mean, bad administration doing
everything they could story Donald Trump during their four years.
If there's something damsey to Trump, you would think that
would have already been released. So I also take the
president's word. I mean, he just he doesn't. We have
serious problems facing the station. There are a lot of
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things he's addressing. Do we really need this distraction? Having
said all that, I'm as curious as every other American
about what happened bringing people to justice who are pedophiles
that you know, engage this kind of abuse. So again
I'm as curious as anybody. We didn't take a vote,
(21:37):
by the way, we just passed this by unanimous consents,
I think before the bill eton got over here. So yeah,
the Senate didn't want to take much time on this.
That was a fight in the House. People who fought
for disclosure won. And now we'll see what we'll get.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, it's a rare It's a rare moment where things
just fly through and bipartis in fashion in the Congress.
So now we're is it once the President signs this
and everyone believes it's going to get signed imminently, thirty
days for the release?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Is that how this goes?
Speaker 7 (22:08):
That's right here. But yeah, they still probably need to
do a review and there will be some material with
help and they and the while they've got I think
four or five very specific reasons the things that can
be withheld, but you know, really just reflects with the
public wanted to see this, and so as elected officials
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when you when you for a year, that's the number
one thing that people calling into your office is you know,
vote to release the Epstein files. You know, in the end,
representative government actually works.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, what do you have on the on the agenda here?
I know the Senate goes into recess. What next week
sometime for Thanksgiving? What are you hoping can get done
before the end of this year? Is there anything? Are
you going to try to get some judges through? How's
that going?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
What?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
What are you looking to get the Senate to finally
push over the finish line here before we all head
out for the holidays.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yeah, the Senate's always doing nominations now that we had
to change rules because the obnoxious obstruction of Democrats will
probably clear another seventy two hundred nominations of various types.
We are working healthcare, by the way, we always have.
It's just golling to hero republics have no plans. You know,
we have all kinds of plans. It's how do we
get it passed. Democrats are in a complete state denial
(23:29):
of the miserable failure that Obamacare has been. The reason
people's premiums are increasing is because of the fault lawed
design of Obamacare. So we are working very diligently on that,
you know which, Scott is proabably involved in this, probably
as knowledgeable an individual on healthcare in America, if not
the world. So we've got some good people here. I
(23:51):
bought health care for thirty years. I'm pretty knowledgeable about
as well. So we're going to do this based on,
you know, repairing the damage done by Obamacare. We defined
the problem coming up with you know, what are the principles,
and President Trump tweeted the main principles. Rather than spend
hundreds of or sent hundreds of millions of dollars into
these insurance companies unit health stock price increase seven percent,
(24:15):
fences Obamacare that the slowest percent increase in stock prices
four or fourteen percent, Instead of filling the conference of
insurance companies, why don't we give that money to the
American people turn them in into consumers of health insurance
and health care with things like HSA accounts. So no
Repubitans have solutions. It's how can we overcome, you know,
(24:38):
the impediment that the structure of Obamacare is with the
current filibuster, which, by the way, I've very been very
public reluctantly, but I completely agree with Press and Trump.
It's time to end the filibuster. The Democrats will do it.
We will look like schmucks in twenty twenty eight if
they have all the lovers of power and they do
this and then do it to maintain their power, as
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opposed to we're going to do it to secure our elections,
for the secure border, hopefully your PA of the damage
done by a biomecare transition to a system that works,
you know, have a prosperous economy, make things more affordable.
You know, we would use ending the filbuster for the
benef of the American people, not our own personal power.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson in Wisconsin and Senator I
want to actually circle back if I can, to the
oversight of the FBI for a moment here, because I
know you're very up to speed on the Arctic frost situation. Right,
that was the FBI investigation run under the Biden administration
about January sixth and the twenty twenty election. It looks
(25:42):
like there were abuses there. What can you tell us
about what we're learning about arctic frost and what's going
to come next?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Well, I think what has been revealed recently, this wasn't
just a mere phishing expedition. This was a massive artisan
dragnet really meant to cripple the Republican Party. Obviously Trump
was the main target that Yeah, we got, you know,
some members of Congress got some of our phone records
grouped up. But what's maybe the most outrageous is just
(26:09):
ordinary citizens. You know, all these affiliated Republican groups, But
for ETAMP in Wisconsin, thirty eight wisconsinites, just god fearing,
country loving law nenforces supporting people were on the enemy's lists.
They are literally trying to destroy the person of unbelievable
in terry Judge Troopus, who just represented President Trump for
(26:31):
two months after the election. There were serious problems in Wisconsin.
They're criminalizing that behavior, they're attempting to That's what all
Artiecross is all about, criminalizing what basically JFK did in
Hawaii at these alternate electors. It's just shameful. And I
met with the Tourney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Tourney
General Todd Blanche this week and they are completely on
(26:56):
board with exposure. And one of the things I point
out is get US communication records between Biden officials and
Wisconsin officials on for example, Judge Troopas you know, let's
see the coordination between the bid administration of these outside groups.
You know, the Mary McCord's, the Mark oiases, you know,
all these legal groups that the left has that are
(27:19):
engaged in the lawfare across the board. It got again,
not just against President Trump, but ordinary Americans. People just
have to support the Republican Party and President Trump. They're
trying to destroy all these people.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Senator Johnson, one more for you before we let you go.
What is your favorite part of a traditional and I
don't know how you guys do it up in Wisconsin,
but a traditional American Thanksgiving feast?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Your favorite dish?
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I mean, it's it's the turkey, it's the dressing, it's
the gravy. It's the mass potatoes, sweet potatoes and corn.
That is my Thanksgiving dinner. I got to have it
all in the right portions. I start and portion it
out and I end with the exact portions for that
final But we just literally had Thanksgiving lunch. John Bilsemen
provided it, so I had a pre Thanksgiving dinner. It
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was fabulous. Can't wait till Thursday, and I wish all
you and all your listeners are a very happy.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Thanksgiving Sam to you, Senator, Thanks so much. Have a
great holiday. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
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Speaker 3 (28:27):
Over the weekend, the Pentagon conducted the twenty first known
strike on a drug trafficking boat.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
This continuing on here.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
The War on drugs looking more like an actual war
these days than anytime in a long time. Senator Mark
Wayne Mullen joins us right now and appreciate you joining, Senator.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Thank you for your time, absolutely thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So these strikes. There's a lot of questions that people are.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Asking about them. Some just want to know more, some
obviously very much are opposing them. In the media, including
some Republicans, some Senate colleagues, or at least one I
can think of. Let's talk about whether they're working, what
are they What can we say about how effective these
strikes are at this point?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Do we not know?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Is there a drop infentantol importation via these boats? You know,
because I think that's a big part of whether or
not we can say that this is a program that
the American people are going to continue with.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Yeah, I think it's important for us to see the
big picture, and so I'll get to that in just second.
But let's talk about what your questions were. Have we
seen a dropping fitt and al. Have we seen dropping
in cocaine drafting? Absolutely, And the biggest measuring stick to
that is the price on the street. I know it
sounds crazy, but you know, everything is supplying demand. We've
seen a significant increase in the price of fittanyel, in
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the price of cocaine because their shipping lanes are being
cut off. The President is being very proactive on his approach,
where the than waiting until it gets to our shores,
he has taken approach that we're going to destroy it
in international water, which has put everybody on notice because
it's not just coming out of Venezuela. You know, we
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saw an attack on we saw us taken out at
Narco boat in the Pacific two and so what the
President is doing here because he realizes that we've lost
more Americans in twenty twenty four. We haven't got the
statistics shet for twenty twenty five, but in twenty twenty four,
we lost more Americans to fit and all and other
drug overdoses inside the United States, and we did the
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entire Vietnam War. That's a staggering number. Because every single
one of your listeners, including yourself and I know somebody
that has been affected by this drug war that has
come to our hometowns, to be it small the small
town like West of the Loklahoma or a large metropolitania
like Dallas Fort Worth. It has affected all of our streets,
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has affected all of our friends and family. It's affected
some of us. So what the what the President has
done is he's done a full court approach. It's not
just about taking out the drug boats and narco boats,
but it's also about getting rid of their supply lines
of of of once it gets into the United States,
the distribution lines plus the cash flowing back out to
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the cartels. So when the President deemed the cartels a
terrorist organization, what allowed is the full way to the
United States to come in. And so you see uh DHS,
you know, Secretary Gnome and and Ice going into these
major metropolitan areas. A lot of people think it's just
about deporting illegal immigrants, but it's it's not. It's also
(31:45):
disturbing their their supply lines. We see a Department of
trans Transportation with Secretary Duffy that's doing stops inside the
United States. There's a actual as we speak, there's an
operation going on in Oklahoma right now where we're stopping trucks,
we're doing drugs or searches, but we're also arresting illegals
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their supply lines. With the illegals that are coming into
the United States illegally, the drug the gangs like MS
thirteen and other games that are being used to distribute
and and and supply different areas inside of the United States,
DHS is taking a hard look. So we're pushing them
from the end of their supply all the way back
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into Venezuela, back in New Mexico, back where it's going.
Plus we're being proactive with the drugs coming into the
United States. So it's the first time ever ever that
we've had a full pledge, all out assault on the
drug cartels, and we're having a huge, huge impact. So
a lot of people need to look past just the
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Narco boats, but also understand what we're doing inside our
cities and on our interstates center.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
How trouble Buck and I started off the show today
talking about the revelations I'm sure you've seen them from
Tucker Carlson Miranda Divine about the would be Trump assassin
in Butler, Pennsylvania, the fact that he appears to have
been radicalized on YouTube, posting violent threats in the comments there. Again,
this is based on their reporting. We have been told, hey,
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we'll never know really the motivations of this guy from
our FBI, based on the reports that I've seen.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
How troubled are you that these media.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Investigations seem to show transrelated connections an incredibly violent commentary
under the guy's own name on YouTube. Should we be
concerned about this and what should happen going forward as
it pertains to that assassination investigation.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Well, I think there's no one more motivated to get
to the root of problems than President Trump. He's the
one that got his ear shot and he's the one
that they've tried to say ethnic two different times, and
so he's extremely motivated to prevent it, honestly, from happening
to him again. Plus the Secret Service, and then you
take Cash Hotel, who loves the president, and Pam Bondi,
(34:12):
who loves the president. We all do. We're all walking
in the same direction, in the same boat. We're all
in the same direction. I kind of take a step
back when you chase so many conspiracies, especially some of
these news reporters if they want to call on that,
or commentary or talk show host when they constantly are
chasing conspiracy theories, and they believe a conspiracy theory is
(34:35):
the truth, because anybody can say something online and you
can run an AI search and it doesn't do a
deep dive for you. All it does is take the
information that's on the Internet and you can persuade any
algorithm to come up with whatever you want it to
come up with. And so I always take a step back.
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I believe in facts, and it's really hard for me
to believe that someone like Tuckle Carls would have a
better research department than the FBI. I read Intel reports
on this stuff, a lot of stuff that the public
won't be able to see because they don't have the
same topic clearances, which it will be very hard for
a lot of this stuff to be released, because it's
not that we're trying to protect the shooter's identity. It's
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because we try to protect the trade craft on how
we access this information. And in a lot of times,
when we see how we gather that trade that information,
it releases the trade craft that these I see the
intelligence community uses. But I have seen nothing period to
support Tucker Carlson's theory on this one. I'm not saying
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it can't be realistic, but I just don't believe it
until I actually see it. I don't have time to
chase theories.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Speaking of Senator Mark Wade Mullen and you sure you're
on the Armed Services Committee, I want to just pivot
back for a second to the drug boat strikes twenty
one so far over eightyp killed. Senator Ran Paul, your
Republican colleague, is very against these. He has recently said things.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Like color rand as the Republican colleague is pretty loose slipped.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
So, I mean he is a Republican colleague. You know,
we can we can talk about how you feel about that,
but he definitely is a Republican senator. So what do
you think about the concerns about legality when it comes
to these strikes.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Well, I don't. I think the president's well within his
authority to do so, because it's very clear that these
are terrorist organizations. They are attacking us, attacking our streets,
or domestic terrorists plus foreign terrorists. The President is well
within his rights to be able to protect a United
States citizens home and abroad, not in our intellectual property
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and our person self. It's that's well within within his
constitutional authority to do so. And so for ran Paul
to quote that, I always what I always say is say, okay,
give me in the concertshe works. Not in his authority
to do that, because people always say it's outside the constitution. Okay,
to show me, show me. The constitution is very very thin.
(37:07):
It's not hard to read. It's you can read it
in twenty minutes if you want to pull out the
part that ram Paul is talking about. But this is
the same Rampaule that it doesn't vote with Republicans, doth
and government. He just recently was trying to support his
plan to enhance THFC levels for consumption in drinks because
(37:31):
he thought it was good for Kentucky's not joking, good
for Kentucky's industry, for hemp industry. This is the same
Ram Paul that is constantly looking for an opportunity to
run against the President of the United States, and so
he's looking for an opportunity anytime he can to distance himself.
I would be a lot better off if ram Paul
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just called himself what he is. He's a libertarian. I'm
perfectly okay with that. But he can't get elected as
a libertarian in Kentucky to run as a Republican. You know,
I have more respect for Thomas Massey than I do
Ram Paul. And because at least Thomas Massey owns who
he is. Ram Paul is just whoever he feels like
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to be.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
That day, we're talking to center Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma.
You were at a big football game over the weekend.
This is much less serious than everything else I know
you were hanging out with Katie.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
There is topic between Alabama and Oklahoma.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Football is a very serious topic.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So you were at that game with your with senner
Katie Britt of Alabama. We just had you may not
you probably don't know this because we just had him on.
But Paul Finbaum, who I know, you know SEC network commentator,
is thinking about running for senate in Alabama. You were
at the Alabama Oklahoma game. Congrats to the Sooners, huge
win there. What do you think of Paul Feinbaum as
(38:51):
a potential senate colleague from Alabama? And for everybody out
there listening, you got the opportunity to go after some
Alabama fans over the big win and celebrate for all
the Oklahoma's out there listening.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
Well, first of all, Alabama was very gracious. I have
never been to an SEC king outside of Norman, Oklahoma.
It was amazing. Hats off to Alabama, Hats off to
their fans.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Half my hat's off to Tuscaloosa because that.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
Whole town turns out for football and it was an
amazing environment. Glad we pulled off the wind. But in
the little part I was like, Oh, I'm kind of
almost sad for this group because this whole town goes
hass to go into depression now because they got deep
from the University of Oklahoma. But it was it was,
you know, we had the first pick six. I was
setting in the president's box for the University of Alabama
(39:43):
and super nice guy, and I hollered because I got
my OU you know, wrestling, because my son wrestles through
University of Oclaoma, and I got my OU wrestling shirt on.
And one of the guy's walked up to me and
he says, I was going to give you I'm using
clean language here. I was going to give you crap
about hollering in the President's box, but I have thought
better of it. When I saw your shirt said wrestling.
(40:04):
We just laughed about it. But that was kind of
group it was. Now, as far as anybody, this isn't
particular for anybody. As far as anybody willing to put
their name on any ballot and run for any office,
I don't care if it's school board, city council, mayor
state rep, state senate, sheriff, county commissioner, or for a
federal office. I commend you for doing that. And no
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one knows what type of person that can it's going
to be. But we need good people that have a
passion for our country, not a passion for a title
to run to run for office, and my measuring stick
is that this is your best job you've ever had,
then I would question your ability to do what is
(40:50):
best for your decision making because if it's the most
money you've made and it's the biggest title you've had,
then are you willing to fire yourself? Because we're all
somewhat self employed, but we have a whole bunch of
shareholders across our state, and we're the chairman of the
board to some degree, so our board can fire us
(41:11):
any given time. But it's pretty hard to be to
be fired because you can get your boats right half
the time. It's either yes or no. It's just how
you articulate yourself and what type of tough boats are
you willing to take. And so for anybody, anybody to
stand up and run great, just had the right motives
(41:31):
to do so. And anybody's sides run, We're going to
sit down, we're going to talk to them, and we
may or may not get involved in the primary. It
really depends. Usually I don't get involved in primaries unless
it's somebody I know personally. Uh, But when they win
the primary, we're all in to get them across the
finish line to let them come be part.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Of the team.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Outstanding stuff. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Congrats to the Sooners.
I'm glad that you had the wrestling shirt on so
the President didn't come after you too. At the University
of Alabama, and Buck's been down there and can speak
for the hospitality of the people of Tuscaloosa. First game
Buck ever went to was Old Miss Alabama college football.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I had all these fraternity brothers handing me red plastic
cups and saying they love OutKick.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It was quite a scene.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
It was an amazing Buck. It's an amazing environment. I've
never seen anything like that in my life. I want
to go back just to just to enjoy the environment,
just when they're not playing, you know, the University of Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Outstanding stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Centaer, We appreciate the time, keep up the good work.
Speaker 8 (42:37):
Thanks, see you guys.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
Bye.
The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers.
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Making the American Farm Strong Again.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now, well.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Right now, I got Miranda Devine breaking in here with
a phone call, and she's making some time for us.
She's very busy right now, because she is right in
the midst of these revelations about Thomas Crooks, the would
be assassin of Donald Trump. Miranda, your piece up on
the New York Post. I think we've got a crosspost
(00:36):
at clayanbuck dot com. It is very important. Let's start
with this. How sure are we, how solid are we
that this stuff about about Crooks right now is true?
That has been found online the YouTube accounts like go
through a little bit of the verification of that with us.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, sure. This is from a sauce who is obviously
very tech savvy and has basically used open source searching
of where archives using some tools that private investigators have,
but not using law enforcement tools. And you know, a
day after Butler YouTube, for instance, shut down Thomas Crooks's account,
(01:22):
but my source managed to find old messages from there.
Now this was available to the FBI because we know
that the Deputy director Paul at back in July of
last year, a week two weeks after the Butler event,
he testified to Congress about this account with more than
(01:42):
seven hundred comments which we have which.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Our source gave us, and so you know, it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Our source found seventeen online accounts that Thomas Crooks had
signed up to using his own name, using a phone
number of Thomas Crooks that was publicly available, and his
email addresses that connected to all these accounts. So he's
cross checked it and is very satisfied that this is
(02:14):
the Thomas Crooks where he wasn't one hundred percent sure,
he said so, but he used these they're not really aliases,
but they're sort of handles cooks used on other social
media like gab and x.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
He used epic microwave.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That's also what he used on a site called deviant Art.
The only time he used an actual alias to sign
up for an account was with PayPal, and he used
the name Rod Swanson, which is the name of an
FBI agent who a former FBI agent from Vegas who
was partially involved in the Las Vegas, you know, mysterious
(02:56):
mass shooting. I've talked to him, knows nothing about it,
doesn't have a PayPal account, never never interacted with Thomas Crooks,
and doesn't even know how to set up a PayPal account.
But what he did tell me, because he's a very
senior former FBI guy, very seasoned, he said, it is
inconceivable that a kid with this kind of online communications
(03:21):
and sort of violent rhetoric would not have been visited
or be on the radar of the FBR. So, you know,
other FBI people tell me the same thing. Some one
of them suggested that because August twenty twenty was when
Thomas was at his peak violent rhetoric, talking about assassinating
(03:42):
political leaders and assassinating military leaders and using AR fifteenths,
which was similar to the gun that he used, and
just after that he goes dark. He just disappears off
all of these platforms.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You he's a go.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
But until August of twenty twenty, he's very prolific, and
you can see the trajectory of how he goes from
you know, age sort of fifteen sixteen, very pro Trump,
you know, like calling him the ultimate patriot, very anti Democrats,
anti the squad, anti Ilhanoma, and then something happens.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
To him in January twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
In the space a few months, he's gone from rapidly
pro Trump, he goes to rapidly anti Trump. He's got
flipped one hundred and ninety degrees, and then his rhetoric
gets more and more violent and disturbing, and you know, people,
it was so bad that there were people online interacting
him with him who were tagging the FBI and saying
(04:46):
to him, hey, you know, you're pretty dumb, like the
way you're talking openly.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Now it's good because now law enforcement knows where to
find you.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
So it's hard to believe the FBI didn't have him
in their sights. But Christopher Ray a week after Butler
testified to Congress that they had done a search of
their database and found nothing before Butler. So that doesn't
necessarily mean that they didn't have any interaction. And I
(05:13):
think Christopher Ray knew exactly what he was doing when
he phrased it in that way, because I know that
during my Biden research that there was interactions with whistleblowers
about the Biden family influence peddling corruption, and that was
(05:34):
not visible to any average FBI agent looking in the database.
It was hidden away deliberately by certain road FBI agents
in a place where it could only be found by
people who needed to know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So there's so much here, Miranda, I want, I think
it's so important everyone knows these details because it's.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's one way of putting it, that all this was
out there and that as you've as you said, from
even FBI sources of yours, that this would not have
been on the FBI's radar.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But an even.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Like lesser but also equally hard to believe component of
this to me seems to be that the FBI didn't
find this stuff, Like why how is it possible that
your person, your source was able to find this online
but the FBI wasn't able to write there's the possibility
of being on the radar before the shooting and the
and possible meeting with law enforcement. You've established that, But
(06:34):
how is it that we didn't know about this before?
Is the FBI? Are we to be told that they're
that incompetent? That is just it's mind blowing.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
No, I have no reason to think that the FBI
isn't fully aware of this and much more, I mean,
you know, it would be ridiculous to think that they
hadn't uncovered this, and in fact, Paula Bate, the deputy
director under Ray, did testify that they had this account
with more than seven hundred for their YouTuber count. So
I assume they have all of this and much more.
(07:06):
The question is why haven't they been more force coming,
particularly since Trump took over by When I contacted the
FBI about this story and asked them a number of questions, including,
I think the most important question, did you have any
interactions with Thomas.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Crooks before Butler?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Did anyone tip you off about Thomas Crooks? You know,
did you investigate him? Did you knock on his door?
That's what I'm told they should have knocked on his door.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Did you do that?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
What the answer I get from Cash Betel's FBI no comment,
that's it. So I don't understand it. And you know,
someone else said to me, well, maybe it was the
Secret Service because in August twenty twenty, Donald Trump was president,
so they have would be the primary agency that would
go and knock on a door if there's a threat
to one of their protect ee. But the Secret Service
(08:01):
gave me a better response when I asked them, and
they said basically that this would be in. This would
be something the FBI would do that even if they
said they have no record of crooks they said now.
But in any case, this is an FBI responsibility. So
I don't even think it's as simple as for between
(08:23):
the cracks between two agencies. The FBI knows a lot,
they have to know a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Just how much I don't know?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And can I jump in with there's something that we
didn't know or at least it wasn't imported until this
week that this guy used they then pronouns and was
interested in furries and had brought into the gender madness.
How could that not have been brought forward if the
FBI was operating in good faith and had access to
(08:51):
this information.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yes, I mean it's very slim. I have to emphasize that.
But like Tyler Robinson, edged assassin of Charlie Kirk, there
is a connection to this sexual fetish called furries, which
is people dressing up as animals or enjoying cartoon animal
humanized figures, having sex or being in sexual positions. So
(09:17):
Thomas Crook, he's not shared any furry staff will talked
about it, but he was frequenting and had two accounts
on a site called deviant Art, which is the major
sort of furry hub online furry hub, and it's sort
of for the furry community, and he doesn't share anything
(09:40):
like that. He does share this sort of bizarre image
of a very muscle bound sort of Sylvester Stallone sort
of masculine body with a female head on top of it,
with a puny little guy next to it that looks
like him.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
That's sort of in a prostate.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
They're not dressed, they're a dressed in their underwear. So
that one and then other than that sort of cartoon
characters on this platform that are violent shooting each other
in the head and so on.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Right, he's clearly a sicko. What about the they them
pronoun stuff?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And he uses they them pronouns on deviant Art. That's
the first time we've seen that, so clearly some sort
of gender confusion or exploring gender identity again. I mean
that disturbing needs to explored because we've had so many
under school shooters. Tyler Robinson also in that vein his
(10:34):
living Lover. So I think it's pertinent and I don't
think it's enough for cash Betel say, oh, he was
alone act to forget about it. I mean, if there's
a pattern, we need to know about it.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Ron Johnson.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It's not just me as a journalist or Tucker Carlson,
who also did an episode on this last week the
same source. It's also Ron Johnson, the Senator whose job
is oversight of the FB and he has been asking
since day one for a whole lot of information, including
you know, camera forensics, autopsy, other documents and getting stonewalled,
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and even under Trump's FBI he had to Ron Johnson
was very angry about the fact that in July, on
the one year anniversary of Butler, he had to subpoena
Cash Patel for the documents that he's been asking for.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So, you know, we will, we will have our team.
Let's let's get Ron john he may be listening right now.
Let's get Senator Johnson on here, because I want to
talk to him about this as well, because we need
to continue to follow this and push for this. Miranda,
this is all so important and everyone should go read
Miranda's piece at The New York Post. Also her podcast
Podforce one. Yeah, go go check out her podcast before
(11:52):
before we let you go, though, I know you've got
a whole bunch of hits today. Tell me, I want
to let you react to this. Honestly, you know, Clay
and I really appreciate your work and we appreciate you
as a person. Hunter Biden is a jerk. You were
always while you reported on him. You would always say, look,
he's kind of a sad guy, and like, you know,
he might actually and I you always had some when
(12:13):
you would talk to us about this on the air,
some degree of sympathy for the guy, because I think
you're just a nice person. I had to play this
because I want you to react. Hunter Biden here said
mean things about you and Clay and I are ready
to fight him. Play sixteen.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
There's no ethics in what, you know, like someone as
horrendously ugly as Miranda divine physically and in terms of
her in terms of ethics, it does. I mean she
is you know, a and then and and that goes
for you know, you know, I mean daily mail and
you know, but I mean they're horrors. I mean they're
(12:48):
hores for money, and you know she does it because
she makes money. And you know, when when she goes
to sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine.
You know, I don't know anybody that's going to be
more than heroin. She's gone.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I think, well, we appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Everything you said is a lie and he's a disgusting
piece of trash. I just do you feel like, oh man,
you were too nice to this guy. He's a horrible
human being. He truly is.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I still have the same impression of him that I've
always had. He's a broken human being, and look he's
lashing out. He noticed that in all his podcasts, he
never refutes a word that I said and what I've
written and what I've found. Even though he keeps up
the pretense through his lawyer, Abby Loll that he doesn't
know anything about the laptop. It's not his laptop, or
(13:38):
maybe it was his laptop, it was stolen, He never
refutes any of it. The millions of dollars, the fact
that he traded on his father's name, the fact that
his father was involved in getting him clients and then
he put him on the speakerphone, all that corruption during
Joe Biden's vice presidency to enrich his family. He doesn't,
he doesn't go into any of that. And trying to
(14:01):
send himself, he just attacks my appearance and hilariously calls
me a whore. So, I mean, you know, it's ridiculous,
and I think I just ignore it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I mean, I mean, he's he's like he should he
should be in prison, as we all know, he should
be serving a lengthy federal sentence in prison, but because
of Daddy, he's not. But I just, you know, Miranda,
I think there were a lot of people on the
right who were you know, they're, oh, he's an addict,
and they try to give some sympathy. I think what
you saw here, he's a disgusting human being. Uh and
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and I and I thought that all along, So you know,
I just think he showed everybody what a piece of
garbage he is. And I'm just glad that you did
the completely accurate and fearless reporting on him that you did,
and that people knew the truth about the Bidens in
general and the Biden crime family. So and you know,
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Claire and I are happy to have a word with
him outside the bar if we ever see him, you know,
after he says these mean things.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, anyway, Miranda, you're the best. You're the best.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah, and bet all right.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
People should go check out Podforce one. Thank you, Miranda.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Hey, I'm Klay Travis and I'm Buck Sexton. You know
what we're thankful for this year, all of you.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay
and Buck Show.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin joining US. Senator appreciate you
as always, sir, Thanks for calling in.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Oh Buck, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, man, things are great here. Let's let's get right
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
This revelation that came out, it was a combination of
reporting from Miranda Devine, Tucker Carlson on Thomas Crooks, the
would be assassin of Donald Trump, that really the first
of two would be assassins, but the one who actually
got shots off and managed to shoot the president in
the ear. There seems to be information that maybe the
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FBI had but didn't public a release or first let
me ask you about that. What do you make of this?
That there were some accounts online that we weren't told
about that indicated at least at some level, Thomas Crooks
had become a using trans pronouns and all this kind
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of stuff. What do you make of this? Did the
FBI probably know and just not talk about it, or
did they miss it or what?
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Well, again, I've got a great deal of sympathy for
cash Brutel, Dan Bongino, dam BONDI going to these agencies
trying to root out the deep state actors that many
are still burrowed in, unable to really hire the kind
of staff they need because of the lawfare against good
people like judge troops in Wisconsin and others. They're kind
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of reluctant to join the Trump administration during their career
be destroyed. So I've got I want to start there.
I've got a great deal simpthy. These has come into office,
They've got enormous messes. They're trying to clean up, actually
turn these agencies into what they they're meant to be
crime fighting units for the standpoint of the FBI. But
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at the same time, I'll say I've been frustrating. We
tried to undertake by Parisian investigation and then we did
some work but buying large What we found out about
Butler was pretty well gleaned by my investory staff in
the first week, primarily talking to local law officials I
issued where I considered a friendly subpoena too the FBI
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to help prompt more documents, more more information coming forward
with our liaison of the FBI actually thanked this for
the subpoena. But the fact matters, we really have not
gotten much. So we've had to go out and contact
phone carriers and social media companies. We're starting to get information.
We're piecing things together. You know that there are things
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that are interesting that we need it had a complete
the investigation before we start publishing. But no, there's an
awful lot unknown about Thomas Crooks that from my standpoint,
we should have known quite some time ago.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So so, just so I'm clear on this, Senator, there's
an awful lot that the public should know about that
you think the FBI has and has not made public.
Or there's more that the FBI maybe didn't find.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
It's probably both both, Okay, yeah, yeah, you know again
we yeah, I mean, I'm frustrated. Fuck, there's no doubt
about it. But again, I don't want to be throwing
cast Telo Dan Bongino under the bus because yeah, just
so you know.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Senator, we don't do that. You know, we know cash
and uh and and Dan here. They're friends of ours,
you know, from before they took these jobs. They took
these jobs because they want to help and they want
to reform, and they you know, and we get a
lot of heat for standing up for them here because
some people have been very frustrated with even a lot
of Trump voters have been frustrated with a transparency issue.
But I try to remind everybody these are enormous, unwieldy,
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bureaucratic institutions that were really left rot from the inside
under previous administrations.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
There's a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
There really is. So we're pursuing this. I'm pretty well
undertaking the investigation now from Santa stan Point, just through
my firm Subcoming investigation kind of walked away from the
by Parson because it just slowed its way down. But again,
all I can say is that there's more information that
will eventually come out and some that we have yet
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not yet discovered. So we're we're still doing investigation.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Now on the transparency issue. Obviously, you were a yes
vote for releasing the Epstein files because the Senate was
unanimous in this right one member of the House. Everyone
else voted for it. One member of the House is Look,
I'm his concern was that he thinks that there are
people that will be tainted who didn't do anything wrong,
but their name is just in some Okay, so that
was his, but everybody else voted to release this thing.
(20:02):
Can you just tell us what your sense is of
where the president has been on this one. I know
you talked to President Trump. He is now in favor
of it, But people keep asking to say, well, why
is he in favor of it now? Why has there
been this delay? And how do you see the release
of the Epstein files from the beginning of this administration
to president in terms of what's going on here, like
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why has it been so stop?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Start?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Well? I thought the Speaker really did a pretty good
job laying out his concerns about, you know, information getting
out of the public domain that really would be harmful
to victims, and is that could be adequately protected in
whatever gets released this time. I would guess President Trump
has similar concerns. I think President Trump as I would
have similar concerns going is this evidence of these documents untainted?
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You know that's true. They're in the Biden amidst of
the Biden administration, who were, I mean, bad administration doing
everything they could story Donald Trump during their four years.
If there's something damsey to Trump, you would think that
would have already been released. So I also take the
president's word. I mean, he just he doesn't. We have
serious problems facing the station. There are a lot of
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things he's addressing. Do we really need this distraction? Having
said all that, I'm as curious as every other American
about what happened bringing people to justice who are pedophiles
that you know, engage this kind of abuse. So again
I'm as curious as anybody. We didn't take a vote,
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by the way, we just passed this by unanimous consents,
I think before the bill eton got over here. So yeah,
the Senate didn't want to take much time on this.
That was a fight in the House. People who fought
for disclosure won. And now we'll see what we'll get.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, it's a rare It's a rare moment where things
just fly through and bipartis in fashion in the Congress.
So now we're is it once the President signs this
and everyone believes it's going to get signed imminently, thirty
days for the release?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Is that how this goes?
Speaker 7 (22:08):
That's right here. But yeah, they still probably need to
do a review and there will be some material with
help and they and the while they've got I think
four or five very specific reasons the things that can
be withheld, but you know, really just reflects with the
public wanted to see this, and so as elected officials
(22:29):
when you when you for a year, that's the number
one thing that people calling into your office is you know,
vote to release the Epstein files. You know, in the end,
representative government actually works.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, what do you have on the on the agenda here?
I know the Senate goes into recess. What next week
sometime for Thanksgiving? What are you hoping can get done
before the end of this year? Is there anything? Are
you going to try to get some judges through? How's
that going?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
What?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
What are you looking to get the Senate to finally
push over the finish line here before we all head
out for the holidays.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yeah, the Senate's always doing nominations now that we had
to change rules because the obnoxious obstruction of Democrats will
probably clear another seventy two hundred nominations of various types.
We are working healthcare, by the way, we always have.
It's just golling to hero republics have no plans. You know,
we have all kinds of plans. It's how do we
get it passed. Democrats are in a complete state denial
(23:29):
of the miserable failure that Obamacare has been. The reason
people's premiums are increasing is because of the fault lawed
design of Obamacare. So we are working very diligently on that,
you know which, Scott is proabably involved in this, probably
as knowledgeable an individual on healthcare in America, if not
the world. So we've got some good people here. I
(23:51):
bought health care for thirty years. I'm pretty knowledgeable about
as well. So we're going to do this based on,
you know, repairing the damage done by Obamacare. We defined
the problem coming up with you know, what are the principles,
and President Trump tweeted the main principles. Rather than spend
hundreds of or sent hundreds of millions of dollars into
these insurance companies unit health stock price increase seven percent,
(24:15):
fences Obamacare that the slowest percent increase in stock prices
four or fourteen percent, Instead of filling the conference of
insurance companies, why don't we give that money to the
American people turn them in into consumers of health insurance
and health care with things like HSA accounts. So no
Repubitans have solutions. It's how can we overcome, you know,
(24:38):
the impediment that the structure of Obamacare is with the
current filibuster, which, by the way, I've very been very
public reluctantly, but I completely agree with Press and Trump.
It's time to end the filibuster. The Democrats will do it.
We will look like schmucks in twenty twenty eight if
they have all the lovers of power and they do
this and then do it to maintain their power, as
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opposed to we're going to do it to secure our elections,
for the secure border, hopefully your PA of the damage
done by a biomecare transition to a system that works,
you know, have a prosperous economy, make things more affordable.
You know, we would use ending the filbuster for the
benef of the American people, not our own personal power.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson in Wisconsin and Senator I
want to actually circle back if I can, to the
oversight of the FBI for a moment here, because I
know you're very up to speed on the Arctic frost situation. Right,
that was the FBI investigation run under the Biden administration
about January sixth and the twenty twenty election. It looks
(25:42):
like there were abuses there. What can you tell us
about what we're learning about arctic frost and what's going
to come next?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Well, I think what has been revealed recently, this wasn't
just a mere phishing expedition. This was a massive artisan
dragnet really meant to cripple the Republican Party. Obviously Trump
was the main target that Yeah, we got, you know,
some members of Congress got some of our phone records
grouped up. But what's maybe the most outrageous is just
(26:09):
ordinary citizens. You know, all these affiliated Republican groups, But
for ETAMP in Wisconsin, thirty eight wisconsinites, just god fearing,
country loving law nenforces supporting people were on the enemy's lists.
They are literally trying to destroy the person of unbelievable
in terry Judge Troopus, who just represented President Trump for
(26:31):
two months after the election. There were serious problems in Wisconsin.
They're criminalizing that behavior, they're attempting to That's what all
Artiecross is all about, criminalizing what basically JFK did in
Hawaii at these alternate electors. It's just shameful. And I
met with the Tourney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Tourney
General Todd Blanche this week and they are completely on
(26:56):
board with exposure. And one of the things I point
out is get US communication records between Biden officials and
Wisconsin officials on for example, Judge Troopas you know, let's
see the coordination between the bid administration of these outside groups.
You know, the Mary McCord's, the Mark oiases, you know,
all these legal groups that the left has that are
(27:19):
engaged in the lawfare across the board. It got again,
not just against President Trump, but ordinary Americans. People just
have to support the Republican Party and President Trump. They're
trying to destroy all these people.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Senator Johnson, one more for you before we let you go.
What is your favorite part of a traditional and I
don't know how you guys do it up in Wisconsin,
but a traditional American Thanksgiving feast?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Your favorite dish?
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I mean, it's it's the turkey, it's the dressing, it's
the gravy. It's the mass potatoes, sweet potatoes and corn.
That is my Thanksgiving dinner. I got to have it
all in the right portions. I start and portion it
out and I end with the exact portions for that
final But we just literally had Thanksgiving lunch. John Bilsemen
provided it, so I had a pre Thanksgiving dinner. It
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was fabulous. Can't wait till Thursday, and I wish all
you and all your listeners are a very happy.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Thanksgiving Sam to you, Senator, Thanks so much. Have a
great holiday. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
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Speaker 3 (28:27):
Over the weekend, the Pentagon conducted the twenty first known
strike on a drug trafficking boat.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
This continuing on here.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
The War on drugs looking more like an actual war
these days than anytime in a long time. Senator Mark
Wayne Mullen joins us right now and appreciate you joining, Senator.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Thank you for your time, absolutely thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So these strikes. There's a lot of questions that people are.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Asking about them. Some just want to know more, some
obviously very much are opposing them. In the media, including
some Republicans, some Senate colleagues, or at least one I
can think of. Let's talk about whether they're working, what
are they What can we say about how effective these
strikes are at this point?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Do we not know?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Is there a drop infentantol importation via these boats? You know,
because I think that's a big part of whether or
not we can say that this is a program that
the American people are going to continue with.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Yeah, I think it's important for us to see the
big picture, and so I'll get to that in just second.
But let's talk about what your questions were. Have we
seen a dropping fitt and al. Have we seen dropping
in cocaine drafting? Absolutely, And the biggest measuring stick to
that is the price on the street. I know it
sounds crazy, but you know, everything is supplying demand. We've
seen a significant increase in the price of fittanyel, in
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the price of cocaine because their shipping lanes are being
cut off. The President is being very proactive on his approach,
where the than waiting until it gets to our shores,
he has taken approach that we're going to destroy it
in international water, which has put everybody on notice because
it's not just coming out of Venezuela. You know, we
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saw an attack on we saw us taken out at
Narco boat in the Pacific two and so what the
President is doing here because he realizes that we've lost
more Americans in twenty twenty four. We haven't got the
statistics shet for twenty twenty five, but in twenty twenty four,
we lost more Americans to fit and all and other
drug overdoses inside the United States, and we did the
(30:33):
entire Vietnam War. That's a staggering number. Because every single
one of your listeners, including yourself and I know somebody
that has been affected by this drug war that has
come to our hometowns, to be it small the small
town like West of the Loklahoma or a large metropolitania
like Dallas Fort Worth. It has affected all of our streets,
(30:56):
has affected all of our friends and family. It's affected
some of us. So what the what the President has
done is he's done a full court approach. It's not
just about taking out the drug boats and narco boats,
but it's also about getting rid of their supply lines
of of of once it gets into the United States,
the distribution lines plus the cash flowing back out to
(31:20):
the cartels. So when the President deemed the cartels a
terrorist organization, what allowed is the full way to the
United States to come in. And so you see uh DHS,
you know, Secretary Gnome and and Ice going into these
major metropolitan areas. A lot of people think it's just
about deporting illegal immigrants, but it's it's not. It's also
(31:45):
disturbing their their supply lines. We see a Department of
trans Transportation with Secretary Duffy that's doing stops inside the
United States. There's a actual as we speak, there's an
operation going on in Oklahoma right now where we're stopping trucks,
we're doing drugs or searches, but we're also arresting illegals
(32:08):
their supply lines. With the illegals that are coming into
the United States illegally, the drug the gangs like MS
thirteen and other games that are being used to distribute
and and and supply different areas inside of the United States,
DHS is taking a hard look. So we're pushing them
from the end of their supply all the way back
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into Venezuela, back in New Mexico, back where it's going.
Plus we're being proactive with the drugs coming into the
United States. So it's the first time ever ever that
we've had a full pledge, all out assault on the
drug cartels, and we're having a huge, huge impact. So
a lot of people need to look past just the
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Narco boats, but also understand what we're doing inside our
cities and on our interstates center.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
How trouble Buck and I started off the show today
talking about the revelations I'm sure you've seen them from
Tucker Carlson Miranda Divine about the would be Trump assassin
in Butler, Pennsylvania, the fact that he appears to have
been radicalized on YouTube, posting violent threats in the comments there. Again,
this is based on their reporting. We have been told, hey,
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we'll never know really the motivations of this guy from
our FBI, based on the reports that I've seen.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
How troubled are you that these media.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Investigations seem to show transrelated connections an incredibly violent commentary
under the guy's own name on YouTube. Should we be
concerned about this and what should happen going forward as
it pertains to that assassination investigation.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Well, I think there's no one more motivated to get
to the root of problems than President Trump. He's the
one that got his ear shot and he's the one
that they've tried to say ethnic two different times, and
so he's extremely motivated to prevent it, honestly, from happening
to him again. Plus the Secret Service, and then you
take Cash Hotel, who loves the president, and Pam Bondi,
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who loves the president. We all do. We're all walking
in the same direction, in the same boat. We're all
in the same direction. I kind of take a step
back when you chase so many conspiracies, especially some of
these news reporters if they want to call on that,
or commentary or talk show host when they constantly are
chasing conspiracy theories, and they believe a conspiracy theory is
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the truth, because anybody can say something online and you
can run an AI search and it doesn't do a
deep dive for you. All it does is take the
information that's on the Internet and you can persuade any
algorithm to come up with whatever you want it to
come up with. And so I always take a step back.
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I believe in facts, and it's really hard for me
to believe that someone like Tuckle Carls would have a
better research department than the FBI. I read Intel reports
on this stuff, a lot of stuff that the public
won't be able to see because they don't have the
same topic clearances, which it will be very hard for
a lot of this stuff to be released, because it's
not that we're trying to protect the shooter's identity. It's
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because we try to protect the trade craft on how
we access this information. And in a lot of times,
when we see how we gather that trade that information,
it releases the trade craft that these I see the
intelligence community uses. But I have seen nothing period to
support Tucker Carlson's theory on this one. I'm not saying
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it can't be realistic, but I just don't believe it
until I actually see it. I don't have time to
chase theories.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Speaking of Senator Mark Wade Mullen and you sure you're
on the Armed Services Committee, I want to just pivot
back for a second to the drug boat strikes twenty
one so far over eightyp killed. Senator Ran Paul, your
Republican colleague, is very against these. He has recently said things.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Like color rand as the Republican colleague is pretty loose slipped.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
So, I mean he is a Republican colleague. You know,
we can we can talk about how you feel about that,
but he definitely is a Republican senator. So what do
you think about the concerns about legality when it comes
to these strikes.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Well, I don't. I think the president's well within his
authority to do so, because it's very clear that these
are terrorist organizations. They are attacking us, attacking our streets,
or domestic terrorists plus foreign terrorists. The President is well
within his rights to be able to protect a United
States citizens home and abroad, not in our intellectual property
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and our person self. It's that's well within within his
constitutional authority to do so. And so for ran Paul
to quote that, I always what I always say is say, okay,
give me in the concertshe works. Not in his authority
to do that, because people always say it's outside the constitution. Okay,
to show me, show me. The constitution is very very thin.
(37:07):
It's not hard to read. It's you can read it
in twenty minutes if you want to pull out the
part that ram Paul is talking about. But this is
the same Rampaule that it doesn't vote with Republicans, doth
and government. He just recently was trying to support his
plan to enhance THFC levels for consumption in drinks because
(37:31):
he thought it was good for Kentucky's not joking, good
for Kentucky's industry, for hemp industry. This is the same
Ram Paul that is constantly looking for an opportunity to
run against the President of the United States, and so
he's looking for an opportunity anytime he can to distance himself.
I would be a lot better off if ram Paul
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just called himself what he is. He's a libertarian. I'm
perfectly okay with that. But he can't get elected as
a libertarian in Kentucky to run as a Republican. You know,
I have more respect for Thomas Massey than I do
Ram Paul. And because at least Thomas Massey owns who
he is. Ram Paul is just whoever he feels like
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to be.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
That day, we're talking to center Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma.
You were at a big football game over the weekend.
This is much less serious than everything else I know
you were hanging out with Katie.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
There is topic between Alabama and Oklahoma.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Football is a very serious topic.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So you were at that game with your with senner
Katie Britt of Alabama. We just had you may not
you probably don't know this because we just had him on.
But Paul Finbaum, who I know, you know SEC network commentator,
is thinking about running for senate in Alabama. You were
at the Alabama Oklahoma game. Congrats to the Sooners, huge
win there. What do you think of Paul Feinbaum as
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a potential senate colleague from Alabama? And for everybody out
there listening, you got the opportunity to go after some
Alabama fans over the big win and celebrate for all
the Oklahoma's out there listening.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
Well, first of all, Alabama was very gracious. I have
never been to an SEC king outside of Norman, Oklahoma.
It was amazing. Hats off to Alabama, Hats off to
their fans.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Half my hat's off to Tuscaloosa because that.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
Whole town turns out for football and it was an
amazing environment. Glad we pulled off the wind. But in
the little part I was like, Oh, I'm kind of
almost sad for this group because this whole town goes
hass to go into depression now because they got deep
from the University of Oklahoma. But it was it was,
you know, we had the first pick six. I was
setting in the president's box for the University of Alabama
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and super nice guy, and I hollered because I got
my OU you know, wrestling, because my son wrestles through
University of Oclaoma, and I got my OU wrestling shirt on.
And one of the guy's walked up to me and
he says, I was going to give you I'm using
clean language here. I was going to give you crap
about hollering in the President's box, but I have thought
better of it. When I saw your shirt said wrestling.
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We just laughed about it. But that was kind of
group it was. Now, as far as anybody, this isn't
particular for anybody. As far as anybody willing to put
their name on any ballot and run for any office,
I don't care if it's school board, city council, mayor
state rep, state senate, sheriff, county commissioner, or for a
federal office. I commend you for doing that. And no
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one knows what type of person that can it's going
to be. But we need good people that have a
passion for our country, not a passion for a title
to run to run for office, and my measuring stick
is that this is your best job you've ever had,
then I would question your ability to do what is
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best for your decision making because if it's the most
money you've made and it's the biggest title you've had,
then are you willing to fire yourself? Because we're all
somewhat self employed, but we have a whole bunch of
shareholders across our state, and we're the chairman of the
board to some degree, so our board can fire us
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any given time. But it's pretty hard to be to
be fired because you can get your boats right half
the time. It's either yes or no. It's just how
you articulate yourself and what type of tough boats are
you willing to take. And so for anybody, anybody to
stand up and run great, just had the right motives
(41:31):
to do so. And anybody's sides run, We're going to
sit down, we're going to talk to them, and we
may or may not get involved in the primary. It
really depends. Usually I don't get involved in primaries unless
it's somebody I know personally. Uh, But when they win
the primary, we're all in to get them across the
finish line to let them come be part.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Of the team.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Outstanding stuff. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Congrats to the Sooners.
I'm glad that you had the wrestling shirt on so
the President didn't come after you too. At the University
of Alabama, and Buck's been down there and can speak
for the hospitality of the people of Tuscaloosa. First game
Buck ever went to was Old Miss Alabama college football.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I had all these fraternity brothers handing me red plastic
cups and saying they love OutKick.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It was quite a scene.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
It was an amazing Buck. It's an amazing environment. I've
never seen anything like that in my life. I want
to go back just to just to enjoy the environment,
just when they're not playing, you know, the University of Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Outstanding stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Centaer, We appreciate the time, keep up the good work.
Speaker 8 (42:37):
Thanks, see you guys.
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