April 27, 2025 • 25 mins
Interior Secretary Doug Burgum on using our own resources to Make America Competitive Again. Texas congressman Chip Roy explains how Democrats are succeeding in weaponizing the courts to abuse the asylum process and make the job of deporting noncitizens impossible. Plus, why has the left made Kilmar Abrego Garcia their hill to die on?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I covered a lot of ground this morning for breakfast
in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a hallmark town if
there's ever been a town. And I was with Secretary
of the Interior Doug Bergham, formerly the governor of North Dakota.
And you've got governor secretary. You've got so many different
titles now, but we talked about a wide range of issues.
(00:37):
But I want to start with this because I remember
the first time we had you on was right after
you injured yourself playing basketball during the twenty twenty four
presidential election cycle. You've now recovered from that, but you
told me that back in nineteen ninety eight you got
to participate in Michael Jordan's basketball camp. That had to
(01:01):
be an unbelievable opportunity. I want our audience to hear
what that might have been like.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, first of all, Clay, great to have breakfast with
you Pucketts in your hometown. Fantastic rival any of the
great breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in
a life experience. To go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.
People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part
of the way he ran that it was eighty people
over age thirty five, and you come and they have
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eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.
My coaches were John Thompson and Dean Smith, my buddy
from North Dkota that came to the camp with me.
He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing
for national championship coaches. I mean, there was one instance
We're in a Cloak game and I got Dean Smith
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and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,
not even paying attention to us guys out there on
the floor. We're playing Coach K and I was point
guard all the time out and the coach was a
little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now?
And I said no.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He said, do you like getting yelled at?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I said, well, I think it could help. We're down
three in a close game, and this is the only
chance I'm ever going to say I was able to
play in a team that beat Coach K. But what
an experience.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, Doug it's buck. I didn't get to have breakfast
with you, but maybe you'll come down to mind me
beach some time. We can go get some savice or something.
And I want to ask you about your portfolio as
Interior Secretary, which doesn't get as much I think attention
to the news as some of the other major agencies
at the federal government. But it is a vast, a
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vast entity, veast organization with a lot of really important responsibilities.
A lot of people think of national parks, but you've
also got mining rights. I mean, you got a whole
range of things, and we don't have time to go
over all of it, obviously. I want you to tell
me what are your top priorities right now? I mean,
I know you're working with Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler
I went to school together in New York little kids
(03:00):
a long time ago, so I haven't seen him in
a while. But he's a doge guy. So there's a
cleaning up an efficiency part of this, there's a mining
part of this. What are the top priorities for the
Interior Secretary right now?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, it's it's as simple as this. I mean, we're
supporting President Trump's agenda to bring peace abroad, which is,
you know, end the wars against us and around the
world that are be funding. They're all being funded, whether
it's twenty four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or
the conflicts in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales.
(03:32):
You know, we need to be in a position with
energy dominance where we're selling energy to our friends and allies,
so they're doing have to buy it from our adversaries
so that we can fund both sides.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Of a war.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But when we do that, we also are bringing prosperity
at home because energy is not just an industry. Energy
is the industry that supports every other. There's a component
in the food you eat, the car you drive, the
food on your table, there's an energy component. We bring
energy prices down, we bring the price of everything down.
We bring prosperity at home. And then you say, well,
what is interior have to do with this, Well, you know,
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with the vision of early leadership and then certainly expanded
by by Theodore Roosevelt, the United States of America, the
balance sheet of the United States of America, a lot
of that in interior. Five hundred million acres of service land,
seven hundred million acres of subservice filled with rich minerals
and energy sources, and then two point five billion offshore.
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If Interior was a standalone company, it would have the
largest balance sheet of anyone in the world, any company
in the world. And we all hear about every election cycle,
Oh this United States, woe was us. We got thirty
six and a half trillion dollars in debt, and yeah,
we've got to stop spending more each fiscal year than
we bring in, start paying down the debt. But the
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asset side of the balance sheet could be triple what
we have there. We could have one hundred trillion dollars
of assets. So one of the things that we're working
on is trying to actually, for the first time, build
out the balance sheet of America so we can see
just how how wealthy we are. And then of course
using these resources for the benefit and the use of
the American people. That's what they were put away for,
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these public lands. And under Obama and Biden, they were
going to make sure that we didn't we didn't cut
a tree. They killed the timber industry. We weren't going
to do mining, we weren't going to develop our energy resources,
whether there's oil or gas or coal. Now we find
ourselves in this battle with China where they're controlling eighty
five percent of the processing of rare earths and critical
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minerals which we need for defense and electronics. And so
this is literally, when I say, piece of broad prosperity
at home interiors right in the mix of the fight
on all the core principles of President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One
thing that I think is so incredibly important and some
people get it, but others do not, and we were
talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of
these climate change zealots have bought into a process by
which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and
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gas here I say clean relative to international standards, and
instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then
buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money
they make from our oil and gas purchases to work
against American interests. And it's also produced much less refined,
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It's dirtier in other words, and worse for the environment.
So they think they are being morally superior, but they're
actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that
makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more
power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you
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break that down a little bit more, because I think
it's so important for people to understand, and as Secretary
of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It was a fantastic summary. And again this yeah, like
most recently the bike climate extremism. You know, they claimed
they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing anything
to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And when
you shift supply away from the US to our adversaries
who do not approach it with the same care, because
if you cared about the environment, you would insist that
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every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a liquid
fuel of any form of energy was produced here in
the United States because we do it cleaner, smarter, safer,
healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again
you get these bizarre things where hey, I'm going to
block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural
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gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to
vote that down because the state of New York and
we believe for saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do
that now, in the state of Maine, eighty percent of
the homes are heated by heating oil. Forty one percent
of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of
the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were offloading in
our country four hundred thousand barrels a day equivalent of
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dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New England
because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania US natural gas to
them because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean,
the absurdities and essentially the lie around that somehow stopping
energy production or transportation in America was good for the
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global environment or good for our environment. None of that's true.
It's all false. And then it raises the price. I mean,
the price of natural gas in New England in some
places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania. And that's
so unfair to Americans because we low priced energy is
what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's
going to help us win the AI arms race against China.
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It's what's going to help you know, people pay their
bills and it's going to bring down even the price
of groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again
we're we're in a battle of common sense here, and
we're fighting for every American because every American deserves to
have access to clean, low cost, affordable, rely energy.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and mister Secretary.
Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,
particularly because of the back and forth with China and
the trade negotiations, and where we get our rare earth
minerals from. First, how does that play into I mean,
maybe you give us a few things, why do we
need them? How does China play into this? And how
(09:23):
do we get more rare earth minerals here domestic sources
in America?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of
federal or in public lands that we have seven hundred
million acres a lot of it in the Western United States.
That are these public lands that are rich with all
kinds of minerals, and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare
earth minerals of the nasing, copper, silver, gold, but all
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the things we need antimony, we need for ammunition, there's
other things that we need just to be able to
manage elect tronic and defense sectors. China has been well
here at home with Obama Biden declaring a war on
mining in our country, just like they had a war
on oil and oil and gas production. We are, you know,
(10:16):
turning that around one hundred and eighty degrees. So in
addition to drill baby drill, with President Trump, we've got
to mine baby mine. And to do that, we've got
to be able to permit, and we've got to be
able to actually be able to get capital from the
private sector going to work. We have literally killed the
mining industry in this in this country, and and of
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course China has exploited that they now control, as I
said earlier, eighty five percent of the processed rarest minerals
that we need. It's a lever that they can use
in the battles that we're in with them right now.
And so we've got to get ourselves back in this game,
and we've got to make sure that we're sporting that.
But under President Trump is starting to happen and whether
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that is you know, again coal. We need coal for
two reasons. We needed for producing electricity we also needed.
There's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare
earth minerals that we need, and there's base materials like coke,
which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,
you know, we had a thing called fast forty one
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that we discovered. It was a way to speed up projects.
There have only been two mining projects ever put on there.
President Trump put ten on there last week. There's dozens
more that are coming soon. Resolution Copper mind thirty year
saga of trying to get a permit to start. We
tackled this right after President Trump. He put out in
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the Executive Orders, we have an energy emergency. We need
to expedite this stuff. In three months now, we've got
approvals for starting of the Resolution copper mine in Arizona,
and then again at a rare earth mining operation. There's
a gold mine in California. They can also pull rare
earth minerals out of that same operation. We're fast tracking
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all of that. So we're working round the clock to
get back in the mining game, because if we don't,
this is a situation where again we could end up losing.
You know, our technology is better, our resources is better.
Everything we've got is better, but because of bureaucracy and
ideology around climate, we end up losing this AI arms
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race to China. That would be a sad thing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Last question for you, you are going to be I
believe you're going to be bringing a new park into
the into the country, and it's one that President Trump
announced earlier this year down in Texas with Joscelyn Ungary
and her family. What can you tell us about what
you're doing there?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Well, we're heading, we'll be there tomorrow. And this is
an existing US fish and wildlife refuge that had as
being renamed in honor of Joscelyn Nungerre and of course,
unfortunately America knows her story. Twelve year old, beautiful young
woman who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by
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illegal immigrants. President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister.
They were present in the House Chambers when he was
giving us joint address to the two chambers this year.
Touching moment for sure. Any of us that are parents
hard to think about what it would be like to
lose your twelve year old daughter for any reason, but
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for those reasons in particular. But she loved, love, wildlife
and loved the outdoors, and President Trump wants to make
sure that she's remembered forever, and so we're renaming this
US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the name on
the electronic maps the day after he gave that beautiful
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speech that he delivered to the whole country. But it
will be there tomorrow with the family many extended family members.
Could be more than twenty people from the Nungaray family there,
including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others, And we'll be
there in person, and we're going through the physical renaming
of all the signage around the park, and we'll be there,
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and I'm sure that's going to be a touching moment
for all involved. But again, it's just something that's so
genuine out President Trump, who who genuinely cares about the
people in our country, and that's why he's fighting so
hard every day to make sure that we've got safe
and secure borders and that we bring peace to the world.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Secretary the Interior Doug Berger, I appreciate you being with
us or thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well, great to be with both of you and look
forward to be back on and thank you both for
all you do and helping helping inspire America to be
reach our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or as
a country. So thanks for all you du gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Thank you. You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay
and Buck.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Congressmanship Roy with us. Now, sorry, I got my guest
timeslots confused here, but he's fantastic and we appreciate him
being here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you. And let's
talk about this. Why are your colleagues all of a
sudden taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to l Salvador.
(15:20):
What do they think they're going to prove with this?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, I was kind of hope we're going to talk
about A and M and UT baseball and Austin, but
we'll get to that in a little bit. But look,
we've got we've got My Democratic colleagues are doing what
they do best right now. And and what I mean
by that is they very much believe, and I believe
they mean this. They believe that non citizens should vote.
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They believe that non citizens should be able to flood
into the United States, frankly, at whatever level they see fit,
regardless of the law. And they believe that they're they're
in standing to try to go defend somebody who has
very obvious ties to MS thirteen, with two courts having
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acknowledged that very strong reality or likelihood, and they're fine
going down to try to defend them rather than standing
up for the Americans who were hurt. Now, I mean
a lot of people have been saying this. I mean,
that's nothing new about what I'm saying, But look, I
got to be very personal here when I've gotten to
know Alexis nunger At the wonderful twenty eight year old
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woman whose daughter Jocelyn was murdered last summer by Trende
and Agua outside of Houston. That's a real person, a
real individual who lost their life directly. It's consequence of
the people released into our country. And now Democrats want
to go to El Salvador to hold up as a
poster child an individual who has an order of removal,
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who was had his wife go like file charges against him,
who was stopped transporting a car load of illegals in
a car, and who has non affiliation on MS team,
And that is the poster child for who Democrats would
have put front and center, not Rachel Moran and her family,
not Joscelyn Hungary's family, not Kayla Hamilton's family. And that's
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how out of touch Democrats are. But the good news
is President Trump is trying to do the right thing,
and Republicans in Congress hopefully are waking up to try
to support what President Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
How much of this is just a big structural issue.
We were talking earlier in the show Congressman about the
fact that this is just basically a math problem. If
Biden is going to have, as he did, let in
around ten million illegals, and if you look at the
rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say
he's going to be able to get three hundred and
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fifty thousand people from inside the country out, basic math
would say it would take thirty years of that to
get the ten million that just came in in the
last four years, to say nothing of all the people
who've come in before. How much of this is structural
in that the president has to have the ability to
get people out of the country as easily as the
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prior president had to let people into the country. That's
the real battle here, in essence, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, that's where very well stated. And so for those
of us who in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, even under
the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of
the law to try to secure the border himself, and
ultimately COVID was a part of that as well. But
then all through the Biden administration when we were all saying, guys,
they're doing this on purpose. They're violating and abusing parole
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and asylum in our country. We put in place these
laws to try to help people, and they're abusing these
to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how
hard it will be to remove them. Right now, think
about this, Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine
what they'll do when it is the you know grandmother,
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you know who is not a criminal or doesn't have
a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully
paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people
flooding our zone, burdening our systems and medicating the hospital
and all that, but isn't a criminal. You know how
that will go. And to your point about the numbers, Okay,
this is why the president and why his team are
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fighting this. So hard. The president needs to have significant authority,
and I believe does to push back and release people
who were wrongfully put into the United States or citizens
of other countries. It is the only way to have
a sovereign nation. I believe that the president, I believe
the Vice president. I believe Stephen Miller, I believe Tom Homan.
I believe they are all correct when they are trying
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to push back on that notion.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Speaking to congressmanship Ruy out of Texas a congressman, and
what is it that they I asked Clay this yesterday.
We tried to walk through this so to make the
Democrats who were going down to Elsalvador not for vacation
but to meet with Abrago Garcia to make them happy,
Trump would negotiate a I guess a you or put
(20:00):
it a request with Bukali, the president of El Salvador,
to bring this illegal back to America, so that then
we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him
back to El Salvador. Or or is it just that
they want to bring him back and then try to
jam up the process so he gets to stay, Like
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what is their preferred outcome?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be
able to process every single individual who was parolled into
the United States or released into the United States under
ASSYLO laws under Biden, which is millions of people, and
to be able to say that each one of them
has an individual claim and due process right to get
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into court to adjudicate the claim. And I don't believe
that is accurate. Right, they had an administrative process for
going through and determining what their status is, but they
do not like this is not due process in the
sense for all your listeners out there, right, these intements
aren't charged with a crime like murder as a non citizen.
They come in here and they murder somebody, or I
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mean some of them are, by the way. But in
this question, it's not that as to whether, okay, are
they getting new process, are they getting a lawyer, Are
they getting a chance to go into court and prove
their guilt or innocence? This is literally a question of
status and it's an administrative process and they're trying to
get into court. So yeah, I mean, Steven Miller outlined
this pretty well. When you describe the situation with Garcia
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down in l Salvador, is saying, well, okay, you want
to fly him back here, Well, we can release them
to some other country. Right. So even if you accept
that we can't send him to El Salvador because he's
threatened by some other game, which was his position five
years ago, he would still be deportable to another country
because a judge has already issued an order of removal
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and that is not the best of my understanding, appealable
other than in the context of the administrative proceedings in questions.
It's not a due process claim. So this is what
dem A're trying to do. They're trying to gain the
system in order to achieve the objective. They're objective of
NGOs going into court and filing suit on every individual
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who has released into our country so the president cannot
release or remove them by class as Joe Biden allowed
them to come in by class.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Congressman ship away with us right now. Earlier this show,
we started off with a clip that I bet you've
seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to
explain why she in any way backed the mental and
physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious what is the
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long term fallout in your mind of the biggest why
that's been told in a very very long time when
it comes to the legacy media and also behind the scenes.
Were Democrats in Congress? Were they acknowledging that they thought
there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly?
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How much discussion do you think there was among Democrats
about what all of us and certainly we've been talking
about on this show for years, could clearly see.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well to the second question, which relates to the first.
For the most part, my Democrat colleagues, i'ven had a
handful of friends who would very honestly and openly acknowledge
their concerns when you'd have a private conversation, but they
were very tight lipped about it publicly because the overwhelming
motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has
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been hostility to Donald Trump. Sid that has literally been
their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter to
them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present.
I don't know if you all remember, but last July
after the debate, I.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Think we lost it there for a second, broke up.
See if we can get him back here sec to
finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating
around out there, Buck is all these books coming out.
I wonder on some level whether the Breillo Garcia conversation
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and everything else is a desperate attempt to keep people
from looking at all of these stories that come out.
I understand it's in the past, but it's such a
miscalculation to me to focus on a Breio Garcia as
the front facing element of the Trump deportation policies that
I just find it almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could
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be as calculated of a decision as it appears to
be that you could decide, Hey, this is the ground
upon which we want to fight, and I think we've
got Congressman Chip Roy back with us right now.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, sorry about that, Clay. All I would saying was
IDW's resolution calling on the vice president to carry out
the twenty fifth Amendment, right, And why I did that
was because it was very I wanted to call the question,
because it was important that the question get called. But
to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the core basis,
which by the way, relates to the border issue and immigration.
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They don't care. It's all about political power. It is
literally all about political power. And I wish I didn't
have to say that, right, I mean, it oughtn't be
that way. I are to be able to sit down with
some of my Democrat colleagues and figure out issues that
are important for our people. But right now it is
animus towards Trump and it is about opening the floodgates
to people to try to build a political base for
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themselves for power, and that's it. That is driving everything
they are doing. It's about political power.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Congress and Roy appreciate you being with us, Surah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Thanks guys,
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Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I covered a lot of ground this morning for breakfast
in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a hallmark town if
there's ever been a town. And I was with Secretary
of the Interior Doug Bergham, formerly the governor of North Dakota.
And you've got governor secretary. You've got so many different
titles now, but we talked about a wide range of issues.
(00:37):
But I want to start with this because I remember
the first time we had you on was right after
you injured yourself playing basketball during the twenty twenty four
presidential election cycle. You've now recovered from that, but you
told me that back in nineteen ninety eight you got
to participate in Michael Jordan's basketball camp. That had to
(01:01):
be an unbelievable opportunity. I want our audience to hear
what that might have been like.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, first of all, Clay, great to have breakfast with
you Pucketts in your hometown. Fantastic rival any of the
great breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in
a life experience. To go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp.
People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part
of the way he ran that it was eighty people
over age thirty five, and you come and they have
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eight teams of ten, sixteen of the top college coaches.
My coaches were John Thompson and Dean Smith, my buddy
from North Dkota that came to the camp with me.
He had Roy Williams and Loud Olsen. So we're playing
for national championship coaches. I mean, there was one instance
We're in a Cloak game and I got Dean Smith
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and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other,
not even paying attention to us guys out there on
the floor. We're playing Coach K and I was point
guard all the time out and the coach was a
little upset. He's like, what do you think you're coach now?
And I said no.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He said, do you like getting yelled at?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I said, well, I think it could help. We're down
three in a close game, and this is the only
chance I'm ever going to say I was able to
play in a team that beat Coach K. But what
an experience.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, Doug it's buck. I didn't get to have breakfast
with you, but maybe you'll come down to mind me
beach some time. We can go get some savice or something.
And I want to ask you about your portfolio as
Interior Secretary, which doesn't get as much I think attention
to the news as some of the other major agencies
at the federal government. But it is a vast, a
(02:38):
vast entity, veast organization with a lot of really important responsibilities.
A lot of people think of national parks, but you've
also got mining rights. I mean, you got a whole
range of things, and we don't have time to go
over all of it, obviously. I want you to tell
me what are your top priorities right now? I mean,
I know you're working with Tyler Hassen. Funny story, Tyler
I went to school together in New York little kids
(03:00):
a long time ago, so I haven't seen him in
a while. But he's a doge guy. So there's a
cleaning up an efficiency part of this, there's a mining
part of this. What are the top priorities for the
Interior Secretary right now?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, it's it's as simple as this. I mean, we're
supporting President Trump's agenda to bring peace abroad, which is,
you know, end the wars against us and around the
world that are be funding. They're all being funded, whether
it's twenty four terrorist groups being funded by Iran or
the conflicts in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales.
(03:32):
You know, we need to be in a position with
energy dominance where we're selling energy to our friends and allies,
so they're doing have to buy it from our adversaries
so that we can fund both sides.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Of a war.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
But when we do that, we also are bringing prosperity
at home because energy is not just an industry. Energy
is the industry that supports every other. There's a component
in the food you eat, the car you drive, the
food on your table, there's an energy component. We bring
energy prices down, we bring the price of everything down.
We bring prosperity at home. And then you say, well,
what is interior have to do with this, Well, you know,
(04:02):
with the vision of early leadership and then certainly expanded
by by Theodore Roosevelt, the United States of America, the
balance sheet of the United States of America, a lot
of that in interior. Five hundred million acres of service land,
seven hundred million acres of subservice filled with rich minerals
and energy sources, and then two point five billion offshore.
(04:25):
If Interior was a standalone company, it would have the
largest balance sheet of anyone in the world, any company
in the world. And we all hear about every election cycle,
Oh this United States, woe was us. We got thirty
six and a half trillion dollars in debt, and yeah,
we've got to stop spending more each fiscal year than
we bring in, start paying down the debt. But the
(04:46):
asset side of the balance sheet could be triple what
we have there. We could have one hundred trillion dollars
of assets. So one of the things that we're working
on is trying to actually, for the first time, build
out the balance sheet of America so we can see
just how how wealthy we are. And then of course
using these resources for the benefit and the use of
the American people. That's what they were put away for,
(05:07):
these public lands. And under Obama and Biden, they were
going to make sure that we didn't we didn't cut
a tree. They killed the timber industry. We weren't going
to do mining, we weren't going to develop our energy resources,
whether there's oil or gas or coal. Now we find
ourselves in this battle with China where they're controlling eighty
five percent of the processing of rare earths and critical
(05:28):
minerals which we need for defense and electronics. And so
this is literally, when I say, piece of broad prosperity
at home interiors right in the mix of the fight
on all the core principles of President Trump's agenda.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergham. One
thing that I think is so incredibly important and some
people get it, but others do not, and we were
talking about it some at breakfast is a lot of
these climate change zealots have bought into a process by
which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and
(06:02):
gas here I say clean relative to international standards, and
instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then
buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money
they make from our oil and gas purchases to work
against American interests. And it's also produced much less refined,
(06:24):
It's dirtier in other words, and worse for the environment.
So they think they are being morally superior, but they're
actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that
makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more
power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you
(06:46):
break that down a little bit more, because I think
it's so important for people to understand, and as Secretary
of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you do.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
It was a fantastic summary. And again this yeah, like
most recently the bike climate extremism. You know, they claimed
they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing anything
to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And when
you shift supply away from the US to our adversaries
who do not approach it with the same care, because
if you cared about the environment, you would insist that
(07:19):
every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a liquid
fuel of any form of energy was produced here in
the United States because we do it cleaner, smarter, safer,
healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again
you get these bizarre things where hey, I'm going to
block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural
(07:39):
gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to
vote that down because the state of New York and
we believe for saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do
that now, in the state of Maine, eighty percent of
the homes are heated by heating oil. Forty one percent
of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of
the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were offloading in
our country four hundred thousand barrels a day equivalent of
(08:01):
dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New England
because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania US natural gas to
them because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean,
the absurdities and essentially the lie around that somehow stopping
energy production or transportation in America was good for the
(08:22):
global environment or good for our environment. None of that's true.
It's all false. And then it raises the price. I mean,
the price of natural gas in New England in some
places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania. And that's
so unfair to Americans because we low priced energy is
what's going to bring manufacturing back on shore. It's what's
going to help us win the AI arms race against China.
(08:43):
It's what's going to help you know, people pay their
bills and it's going to bring down even the price
of groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again
we're we're in a battle of common sense here, and
we're fighting for every American because every American deserves to
have access to clean, low cost, affordable, rely energy.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Bergham and mister Secretary.
Rare earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days,
particularly because of the back and forth with China and
the trade negotiations, and where we get our rare earth
minerals from. First, how does that play into I mean,
maybe you give us a few things, why do we
need them? How does China play into this? And how
(09:23):
do we get more rare earth minerals here domestic sources
in America?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, because, as I said earlier, the massive amounts of
federal or in public lands that we have seven hundred
million acres a lot of it in the Western United States.
That are these public lands that are rich with all
kinds of minerals, and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare
earth minerals of the nasing, copper, silver, gold, but all
(09:52):
the things we need antimony, we need for ammunition, there's
other things that we need just to be able to
manage elect tronic and defense sectors. China has been well
here at home with Obama Biden declaring a war on
mining in our country, just like they had a war
on oil and oil and gas production. We are, you know,
(10:16):
turning that around one hundred and eighty degrees. So in
addition to drill baby drill, with President Trump, we've got
to mine baby mine. And to do that, we've got
to be able to permit, and we've got to be
able to actually be able to get capital from the
private sector going to work. We have literally killed the
mining industry in this in this country, and and of
(10:36):
course China has exploited that they now control, as I
said earlier, eighty five percent of the processed rarest minerals
that we need. It's a lever that they can use
in the battles that we're in with them right now.
And so we've got to get ourselves back in this game,
and we've got to make sure that we're sporting that.
But under President Trump is starting to happen and whether
(10:58):
that is you know, again coal. We need coal for
two reasons. We needed for producing electricity we also needed.
There's metallurgical coal. In that metallurgical coal, there are rare
earth minerals that we need, and there's base materials like coke,
which we need for steelmaking in this country. I was,
you know, we had a thing called fast forty one
(11:19):
that we discovered. It was a way to speed up projects.
There have only been two mining projects ever put on there.
President Trump put ten on there last week. There's dozens
more that are coming soon. Resolution Copper mind thirty year
saga of trying to get a permit to start. We
tackled this right after President Trump. He put out in
(11:39):
the Executive Orders, we have an energy emergency. We need
to expedite this stuff. In three months now, we've got
approvals for starting of the Resolution copper mine in Arizona,
and then again at a rare earth mining operation. There's
a gold mine in California. They can also pull rare
earth minerals out of that same operation. We're fast tracking
(11:59):
all of that. So we're working round the clock to
get back in the mining game, because if we don't,
this is a situation where again we could end up losing.
You know, our technology is better, our resources is better.
Everything we've got is better, but because of bureaucracy and
ideology around climate, we end up losing this AI arms
(12:19):
race to China. That would be a sad thing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Last question for you, you are going to be I
believe you're going to be bringing a new park into
the into the country, and it's one that President Trump
announced earlier this year down in Texas with Joscelyn Ungary
and her family. What can you tell us about what
you're doing there?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Well, we're heading, we'll be there tomorrow. And this is
an existing US fish and wildlife refuge that had as
being renamed in honor of Joscelyn Nungerre and of course,
unfortunately America knows her story. Twelve year old, beautiful young
woman who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by
(13:08):
illegal immigrants. President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister.
They were present in the House Chambers when he was
giving us joint address to the two chambers this year.
Touching moment for sure. Any of us that are parents
hard to think about what it would be like to
lose your twelve year old daughter for any reason, but
(13:28):
for those reasons in particular. But she loved, love, wildlife
and loved the outdoors, and President Trump wants to make
sure that she's remembered forever, and so we're renaming this
US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the name on
the electronic maps the day after he gave that beautiful
(13:52):
speech that he delivered to the whole country. But it
will be there tomorrow with the family many extended family members.
Could be more than twenty people from the Nungaray family there,
including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others, And we'll be
there in person, and we're going through the physical renaming
of all the signage around the park, and we'll be there,
(14:14):
and I'm sure that's going to be a touching moment
for all involved. But again, it's just something that's so
genuine out President Trump, who who genuinely cares about the
people in our country, and that's why he's fighting so
hard every day to make sure that we've got safe
and secure borders and that we bring peace to the world.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Secretary the Interior Doug Berger, I appreciate you being with
us or thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well, great to be with both of you and look
forward to be back on and thank you both for
all you do and helping helping inspire America to be
reach our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or as
a country. So thanks for all you du gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Thank you. You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay
and Buck.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Congressmanship Roy with us. Now, sorry, I got my guest
timeslots confused here, but he's fantastic and we appreciate him
being here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you. And let's
talk about this. Why are your colleagues all of a
sudden taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to l Salvador.
(15:20):
What do they think they're going to prove with this?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, I was kind of hope we're going to talk
about A and M and UT baseball and Austin, but
we'll get to that in a little bit. But look,
we've got we've got My Democratic colleagues are doing what
they do best right now. And and what I mean
by that is they very much believe, and I believe
they mean this. They believe that non citizens should vote.
(15:46):
They believe that non citizens should be able to flood
into the United States, frankly, at whatever level they see fit,
regardless of the law. And they believe that they're they're
in standing to try to go defend somebody who has
very obvious ties to MS thirteen, with two courts having
(16:08):
acknowledged that very strong reality or likelihood, and they're fine
going down to try to defend them rather than standing
up for the Americans who were hurt. Now, I mean
a lot of people have been saying this. I mean,
that's nothing new about what I'm saying, But look, I
got to be very personal here when I've gotten to
know Alexis nunger At the wonderful twenty eight year old
(16:28):
woman whose daughter Jocelyn was murdered last summer by Trende
and Agua outside of Houston. That's a real person, a
real individual who lost their life directly. It's consequence of
the people released into our country. And now Democrats want
to go to El Salvador to hold up as a
poster child an individual who has an order of removal,
(16:50):
who was had his wife go like file charges against him,
who was stopped transporting a car load of illegals in
a car, and who has non affiliation on MS team,
And that is the poster child for who Democrats would
have put front and center, not Rachel Moran and her family,
not Joscelyn Hungary's family, not Kayla Hamilton's family. And that's
(17:11):
how out of touch Democrats are. But the good news
is President Trump is trying to do the right thing,
and Republicans in Congress hopefully are waking up to try
to support what President Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
How much of this is just a big structural issue.
We were talking earlier in the show Congressman about the
fact that this is just basically a math problem. If
Biden is going to have, as he did, let in
around ten million illegals, and if you look at the
rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say
he's going to be able to get three hundred and
(17:41):
fifty thousand people from inside the country out, basic math
would say it would take thirty years of that to
get the ten million that just came in in the
last four years, to say nothing of all the people
who've come in before. How much of this is structural
in that the president has to have the ability to
get people out of the country as easily as the
(18:04):
prior president had to let people into the country. That's
the real battle here, in essence, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, that's where very well stated. And so for those
of us who in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, even under
the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of
the law to try to secure the border himself, and
ultimately COVID was a part of that as well. But
then all through the Biden administration when we were all saying, guys,
they're doing this on purpose. They're violating and abusing parole
(18:32):
and asylum in our country. We put in place these
laws to try to help people, and they're abusing these
to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how
hard it will be to remove them. Right now, think
about this, Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine
what they'll do when it is the you know grandmother,
(18:53):
you know who is not a criminal or doesn't have
a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully
paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people
flooding our zone, burdening our systems and medicating the hospital
and all that, but isn't a criminal. You know how
that will go. And to your point about the numbers, Okay,
this is why the president and why his team are
(19:14):
fighting this. So hard. The president needs to have significant authority,
and I believe does to push back and release people
who were wrongfully put into the United States or citizens
of other countries. It is the only way to have
a sovereign nation. I believe that the president, I believe
the Vice president. I believe Stephen Miller, I believe Tom Homan.
I believe they are all correct when they are trying
(19:35):
to push back on that notion.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Speaking to congressmanship Ruy out of Texas a congressman, and
what is it that they I asked Clay this yesterday.
We tried to walk through this so to make the
Democrats who were going down to Elsalvador not for vacation
but to meet with Abrago Garcia to make them happy,
Trump would negotiate a I guess a you or put
(20:00):
it a request with Bukali, the president of El Salvador,
to bring this illegal back to America, so that then
we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him
back to El Salvador. Or or is it just that
they want to bring him back and then try to
jam up the process so he gets to stay, Like
(20:20):
what is their preferred outcome?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be
able to process every single individual who was parolled into
the United States or released into the United States under
ASSYLO laws under Biden, which is millions of people, and
to be able to say that each one of them
has an individual claim and due process right to get
(20:44):
into court to adjudicate the claim. And I don't believe
that is accurate. Right, they had an administrative process for
going through and determining what their status is, but they
do not like this is not due process in the
sense for all your listeners out there, right, these intements
aren't charged with a crime like murder as a non citizen.
They come in here and they murder somebody, or I
(21:05):
mean some of them are, by the way. But in
this question, it's not that as to whether, okay, are
they getting new process, are they getting a lawyer, Are
they getting a chance to go into court and prove
their guilt or innocence? This is literally a question of
status and it's an administrative process and they're trying to
get into court. So yeah, I mean, Steven Miller outlined
this pretty well. When you describe the situation with Garcia
(21:28):
down in l Salvador, is saying, well, okay, you want
to fly him back here, Well, we can release them
to some other country. Right. So even if you accept
that we can't send him to El Salvador because he's
threatened by some other game, which was his position five
years ago, he would still be deportable to another country
because a judge has already issued an order of removal
(21:50):
and that is not the best of my understanding, appealable
other than in the context of the administrative proceedings in questions.
It's not a due process claim. So this is what
dem A're trying to do. They're trying to gain the
system in order to achieve the objective. They're objective of
NGOs going into court and filing suit on every individual
(22:11):
who has released into our country so the president cannot
release or remove them by class as Joe Biden allowed
them to come in by class.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Congressman ship away with us right now. Earlier this show,
we started off with a clip that I bet you've
seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to
explain why she in any way backed the mental and
physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious what is the
(22:43):
long term fallout in your mind of the biggest why
that's been told in a very very long time when
it comes to the legacy media and also behind the scenes.
Were Democrats in Congress? Were they acknowledging that they thought
there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly?
(23:04):
How much discussion do you think there was among Democrats
about what all of us and certainly we've been talking
about on this show for years, could clearly see.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well to the second question, which relates to the first.
For the most part, my Democrat colleagues, i'ven had a
handful of friends who would very honestly and openly acknowledge
their concerns when you'd have a private conversation, but they
were very tight lipped about it publicly because the overwhelming
motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has
(23:37):
been hostility to Donald Trump. Sid that has literally been
their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter to
them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present.
I don't know if you all remember, but last July
after the debate, I.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Think we lost it there for a second, broke up.
See if we can get him back here sec to
finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating
around out there, Buck is all these books coming out.
I wonder on some level whether the Breillo Garcia conversation
(24:21):
and everything else is a desperate attempt to keep people
from looking at all of these stories that come out.
I understand it's in the past, but it's such a
miscalculation to me to focus on a Breio Garcia as
the front facing element of the Trump deportation policies that
I just find it almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could
(24:44):
be as calculated of a decision as it appears to
be that you could decide, Hey, this is the ground
upon which we want to fight, and I think we've
got Congressman Chip Roy back with us right now.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, sorry about that, Clay. All I would saying was
IDW's resolution calling on the vice president to carry out
the twenty fifth Amendment, right, And why I did that
was because it was very I wanted to call the question,
because it was important that the question get called. But
to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the core basis,
which by the way, relates to the border issue and immigration.
(25:17):
They don't care. It's all about political power. It is
literally all about political power. And I wish I didn't
have to say that, right, I mean, it oughtn't be
that way. I are to be able to sit down with
some of my Democrat colleagues and figure out issues that
are important for our people. But right now it is
animus towards Trump and it is about opening the floodgates
to people to try to build a political base for
(25:37):
themselves for power, and that's it. That is driving everything
they are doing. It's about political power.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Congress and Roy appreciate you being with us, Surah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Thanks guys,
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