All Episodes

October 5, 2025 38 mins

Another government shutdown is being met by yawns, because we all know they’ll open it up eventually. Clay takes a deep dive into a very real issue that caused this shutdown: A fundamentally broken healthcare system.

Clay also breaks down the controversy over illegal immigrants receiving healthcare benefits in the Democrats’ continuing resolution. While Democrats claim federal funds aren’t directly paying for undocumented healthcare, Clay explains how federal dollars flow to states like California, New York, and Illinois, which then allocate funds for these services. He ties this to COVID-era spending that Democrats want to make permanent, warning that these embedded costs are fueling the shutdown fight.


How President Donald Trump was a turning point for the country and fueled Charlie Kirk’s ascension and saved the country. Why Clay is donating all of the proceeds from his new book “Balls: How Trump, Young Men, and Sports Saved America” to several charities, including Turning Point USA.

Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8

 

For the latest updates from Clay & Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/

 

Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton: 

X - https://x.com/clayandbuck

FB - https://www.facebook.com/ClayandBuck/

IG - https://www.instagram.com/clayandbuck/

YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck

Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/ClayandBuck

TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clayandbuck 

Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Making the American Farm Strong Again.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Team forty seven with Clay and Buck, starts now, the
shutdown is underway, and I gotta be honest with y'all,
you know, and I think Buck and I have talked
about this quite a bit on the program.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
We are not of the opinion that the shutdown is
ultimately that big of a story, because eventually it will
get resolved and we'll just add on more debt. But
I do want to give you some historical analogy of.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Where we are.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Since nineteen seventy six, the US government has shut down
twenty times. So if you are out there and you're
thinking this just feels like the same plot over and
over again, Groundhog Day, in many ways it is. There
were no shutdowns between nineteen ninety five and twenty thirty,

(01:00):
but three have occurred in the twelve years since. The
longest one was in Trump one point zero and that
lasted thirty four days back in twenty eighteen. Really, the
essence of this shutdown, just so you know, is a
battle over whether there should be an extension of COVID

(01:25):
healthcare policies which were put in place by Democrats as
part of their massive blockbuster, out of control spending bills
that they forced through in the COVID era. And the
reason why this spending cost is up now is because
they pegged it for a relatively short period of time

(01:47):
so that it did not continue to cost money going forward. Now,
this is me, and you have heard me go off
on this quite a lot. The healthcare system in the
United States is broken. Every single one of you listening
to me right now is nodding along because it is
just a broken marketplace. It makes no sense the way

(02:10):
we have designed it. It is the most inefficient and
the least effective part of I would argue the American
economic system.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
It is anti capitalistic in many ways. It is profoundly broken.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
This spending package that the Democrats are insisting on continuing
would add up over the next decade, according to the
Wall Street Journal editorial page, to around four hundred and
fifty billion dollars. And much of it is a subsidy

(02:44):
that is in a large extent unnecessary. And so this
let me give you a little bit of a background
of exactly what's going on. Try to simplify this for you.
So we begin with the foundational point that the healthcare
system in this country is broken, and anybody who's ever
had to get on the phone with their insurance provider

(03:06):
knows exactly what I'm talking about. Studies suggest that one
reason our healthcare system is broken, probably the primary one,
is nobody has any idea what anything costs, and so
you can't make a rational decision in your life about
whether or not you need an MRI, or whether you

(03:29):
need a need to go to the hospital or not
because a lot of times you don't have the information
as you're not a doctor, as necessary. And what has
happened is doctors wildly over prescribe because much of this
is paid for by insurance and patience to a large extent,

(03:51):
are not making choices that are rational. I'll give you
an example that happened recently in my family. I think
it was a few years ago. My wife was in
a car accident. She was fine, She was able to
get to the hospital and make sure everything was okay

(04:12):
without needing an ambulance. But the ambulance the police officer
told her, Hey, the ambulance can take you, but it
will end up costing you thousands and thousands of dollars.
Or you can take yourself to the hospital on your own.
How many people actually make that choice? How many people

(04:36):
actually in much of your life? And I've talked about
this in my own life. When it came to having
our kids, we went to go tour the hospitals. Nobody
could tell me what a delivery cost. Went to all
these different hospitals. They're competing to see who has the

(04:57):
fastest WiFi. They're competing to see who has bamboo floors,
who has the best flat screen televisions in the delivery area,
what sort of security there is to make sure that
your babies are safe. All those things are fine. They
don't compete on price. I just said to each of them, Hey,

(05:17):
what's this going to cost me? None of them could
tell me. I mentioned to you, I think last week,
because I think it's a really instructive analogy that I
went and took one of our kids when he had
strapped throat. My wife took the other one. She was
on the ball, knew where our healthcare card was, knew
exactly who our health care provider was, turned it over.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
When we checked in.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
When she checked in, I didn't have any idea where
the healthcare card was somehow I couldn't find it in
my wallet. I think we had switched, and my incompetence
meant that we were billed as not having healthcare, and
we paid a fraction of what my wife paid for
the exact same medical treatment because we had health insurance.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's all broken. All of it is broken.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
And I could get on a pedestal and talk about
this forever. The fact that we run healthcare. As someone
who has owned a business and has had to pay
for health care, the fact that healthcare is connected to
employment is crazy. I have been a freelancer who was
not an employee, and the fact that I had to

(06:34):
go out into the healthcare marketplace and figure out what
policy was the right one for me was incredibly complicated.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Too. Insurance is the.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Only thing all of us have to pay for that
we hope to never use, and the entire insurance industry
is totally broken. In conjunction with health care, we spend
way more than any country in the world, and we
do not get the best results. And the data reflects
that you could eliminate half of all medical treatments and

(07:09):
there wouldn't be any change in life expectancy in this country.
So My general proposition is I don't want to take anything.
I know Tilan Alway was in the news, I get
made fun of. I don't want to take any drugs.
I don't want to take anything. I feel fortunate. I've
been pretty healthy in the grand scheme of things, and
I think that they wildly overprescribe and over medicate us

(07:30):
as a whole. And yet simultaneously, the people who actually
do need health care, the people who are actually sick,
the people who are in desperate need of health care,
cannot get it, and the people who don't need it
don't feel like we're getting any kind of rational health
care that makes common sense. Okay, So that's where we

(07:53):
really are, and in essence, much like our tax code,
because I would say number one unbroken system in America's
healthcare Number two is tax code. They're both so fundamentally
broken that you would actually do better if you just
tore them both down and built a functional, rational health
care system and tax policy. Instead, we have just continued

(08:18):
to add layer upon layer of a broken foundation. And
as a result, if you want to use sort of
a building metaphor, we have constantly shifting in the winds.
Tall buildings with no structural stability, and they'll fall over
all the time and they make absolutely no sense. So

(08:39):
got hey, happy optimistic Wednesday, everybody. We've got two hugely
broken systems that threaten the very fabric of our democratic
republic because as we have an aging population, the costs
that we're going to have to put out for healthcare
is going to be borne increasingly by a dwindling number
of young people in America, and the budget and the

(09:03):
math just doesn't add up. So all of that is
the foundational issue that is in play here. And one
of the real unfortunate aspects of our democratic republic is
once something is created, once the government creates a project,

(09:24):
it almost never leaves. It just goes on the ledger
as a cost long into the future. And Democrats want
to provide healthcare for as many people as possible, including
many different illegal immigrants. And ultimately this is paid for
by all of you out there that are working hard.

(09:45):
Every single day, they're reaching into your pocket, they're taking
your money out, and they're giving it to someone very
often who is not even an American citizen. But this
is all part and parcel of a broken healthcare system.
Obamacare is collapsed, by the way, because it's predicated on
giving insurance companies more money. And the entire concept of

(10:09):
insurance is they have to get tons of people who
are never going to need it in order to pay
for the people that actually do need it, and young,
healthy people, a lot of them just say I don't
need health insurance, and as a result, the insurance companies
don't get that money. And as we have an aging society,

(10:29):
the profit margins of insurance companies going down in the future.
But I just come back to that analogy. I would
be paying far less for health care if I had
no insurance at all, so would most of you. That
is a broken system. And my analogy there of walking
in with a kid who has strep throat one day

(10:50):
after we got insurance for the kid who did have
a strep throat.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I paid.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
My wife knows the exact dollars because she's still fed
up about it, because my incompetence actually been fitted the
family because we had to pay less money, but we
paid a fraction as uninsured walking into a clinic patience
of what a health care insured family would pay. So

(11:15):
it's not only that the system is broken, it's that
people who are actually trying to do the right thing
are getting gouged, and people who have no interest whatsoever
in buying in at all, they're essentially getting free health care.
You pay a lot, many people pay virtually nothing at all. Okay,
So that is the essence of why we have a

(11:38):
government shut down, because Democrats want to give more people
who do not pay taxes free health care, and Republicans
are saying, wait, that was a COVID era policy that
we put in place. It should expire, thankfully now that
COVID is over. So that is the essence of what
is going on, and we will see exactly how long

(11:58):
it takes for this to be resolved. I suspect that
many of you out there will be like me, and
there will be absolutely no impact to your life whatsoever
by the fact that the government has shut down. In fact,
a lot of you are saying, I wouldn't mind the
government shutting down for a long time.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know, things aren't going well for Chuck Schumer when
he's on the Senate floor, And the New York Times
had a huge poll that said voters will overwhelmingly and
correctly blame Democrats for shutting down the government because Democrats
are the ones voting to shut down government. Chuck Schumer

(12:41):
doesn't believe it, though, he says the New York Times
poll is biased against Democrats. This is the argument he's
having to make. Let's listen, now, I know.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
The leader is going to show a poll that says
that Democrats will be blamed for the shutdown. There are
many more polls that show Republicans are The question in
that call is biased, biased in the New York Times.
But it's biased if you turned the quick.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I don't always believe the New York Times.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You can be sure of that.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Neither do you.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
So it's so bad that Chuck Schumer is having to
resort to saying the New York Times is biased against
Democrats when it comes to this situation relating to the shutdown.
But we got a couple of you, several of you,
in fact, lots of you. Let me pull it up
asking the question because there is a lot of discussion

(13:39):
about how exactly is this debate now over whether or
not illegal immigrants get healthcare. In fact, here is one
that synthesizes this VIP email from Ryan. First off, I
absolutely love you guys. Good way to start. Always like
we get a positive start to the email gets even better.

(14:01):
Thanks for being the voice of reason and speaking the truth.
I could go on and on and get all mushy,
but you get the point.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
America. Thanks you.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I love all this question.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Is there actual rhetoric and documented text in the Democrat
dirty cr continuing resolution there that states or proves they
are pushing for illegals healthcare? I cannot seem to find it.
Any help would be appreciated. God bless and stay the course.
Here's what they're doing, and this is why you have
to dive into the nitty gritty and intricacy of the

(14:33):
language which with they are using. Okay, they are saying
the federal government is not paying for illegal immigrant healthcare.
That is nowhere in this bill. That is not occurring
at all. Here's the reality. The money goes to the states.
So the federal government cuts a big check, here's a

(14:56):
billion dollars, and they send it to California, They send
it to Illinois, they send it to New York state
government officials there then take those dollars and allocate many
of them to illegal immigrant healthcare. So the argument that
Chuck Schumer is making is, oh, the federal government isn't

(15:17):
doing that at all, but that's because they are allocating
the resources to the states. And then all these blue
states take your tax payer money and they are using
it to fund illegal immigrant health care. And by the way,
the other part of this is this particular part of
the dollars that are being fought about bought over was

(15:40):
directly related to COVID. And if you remember, and there
were relatively few of us at the time, Buck was
one of them.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I was one of them.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
If you remember when everybody said, oh, we don't need
to work anymore, the government will just give everybody money.
Just go home, don't leave your house house, don't even
think about going to the gym. Don't you dare go
outside and walk in a park. God forbid you go
to the beach. Hey, kids, we're taking the rims off

(16:11):
your basketball hoops. Hey, we're taking down nets so you
can't go play tennis. I know everybody wants to forget
all of this, but much of the spending is embedded
from COVID. So Democrats and there were a lot of
Republicans that went along saw the crisis of COVID, and

(16:32):
they said, this is the best opportunity we have had
in a long time, maybe for much of our political careers,
to increase federal spending by a tremendously huge amount, and
we are going to do that. We're going to implement
all these argantuan cost increases and it's going to become

(16:54):
very difficult to ever dial them back. And I think
we're not given enough credit to guys like Senator Johnson
for end of this program. We had him in studio
and we were in DC just to explain all this.
The budget plan that makes the most sense is go
back to all the pre COVID spending and just increase
it on a rate of inflation. If we had just

(17:17):
done that, we'd all have a balanced budget right now.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
But Democrats are smart.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
They recognize that all their allies in the legacy media
that nobody trusts anymore, they will label this a cut.
Anytime you reduce spending, they say, oh, this is a cut.
You're cutting childcare, you're cutting pregnant women are going to die.
That's immediately what they say. And you go back and say, well,

(17:50):
that wasn't happening before twenty twenty COVID's over, thankfully. Everybody's like, yeah, Now,
you might get a sniffle, and you don't know whether
it's a cold. You don't know if it's the flu,
you don't know if it's COVID. I mean, I'm not
trying to make light of it, but that's the reality.
You get a little bit of a light fever, you

(18:11):
don't feel great. Who knows what it is. Might be COVID,
might be any of the other innumerable ways that you
could have gotten sick before COVID. All we're doing here
is saying, hey, this healthcare spending doesn't make sense going forward.
Much of it that is going to a legal immigrant

(18:32):
healthcare should certainly not be spent. But in general, this
is an expense that was directly connected to COVID. COVID
is over, finally, mercifully, why would we embed that cost
into the overall federal budget. Humor's wrong. Democrats are wrong

(18:53):
on this, and Trump and Republicans are just saying, hey,
we funded the government, We're not going to continue to
fun this. We're not going to bend to your will.
Let's keep the government open. Democrats said no, we're going
to shut down the government and if you're out there
and you're saying, okay, well, hold on a minute, Democrats

(19:13):
don't really support illegal illegal immigrants getting healthcare. Here is
a flashback. You may remember this. I remember watching this
debate and thinking, boy, these people are crazy. On June
twenty seventh, twenty nineteen, in Miami, Second Democrat debate, every
Democrat raised their hand when asked if their healthcare plan

(19:35):
would cover illegal immigrants. Listen to this, just to take
you back in time. The Democrats on the stage at
that point in time, Joe Biden, Mayor, Pete Kamala Harris,
Julian Castro, Amy Klobashar, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Yang,
Corey Booker, Beto Beto, Beto O'Rourke. Everyone applause, odds inside

(20:01):
of the audience. But just a flashback cut three.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
A lot of you have been talking tonight about these
government healthcare plans that you've proposed in one form or another.
This is a show of hands's question and hold them
up for a moment so people can see, raise your handed,
government if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Every hand went up, Every single hand went up. All
of these people. All of these Democrats support this, and
it's impossible to argue otherwise. Now this is I want
to hit one more, one more hit here, Jasmine Crockett.

(20:50):
I know, I just I can't believe that this is real,
that the Democrat Party thinks that she is somehow an
eloquent voice on all of this. Jasmine Crockett says the
White Houses messaging on shutdown is illegal Cut twelve.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
I think they're being a lot more illegal in their messaging.
The first thing that I wanted to know was how
can this not be a violation of the hashag in
some way?

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Right?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Because we are not allowed to politic on official sites period, right,
And that's what they're doing. They literally changed official government
websites to put out their propaganda. Instead of just saying
we're currently in a shutdown, you decided to play partisan
politics on an official website.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, it's illegal.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's illegal to point out that the reason that the
government is shut down is because Democrats voted to shut
down the government.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Buck, all right, I got a request for you guys,
all right, and I'm open to where you would like
for me to make a donation too. So where's the
best place to go with this? I have got If
you're watching on video, my new book is coming out.
It is one month away from being released. It's called Balls.

(22:08):
I will post the link on my Twitter feed. It'll
be up short certainly at Clay and buck, but you
can just type in Clay Travis on Amazon, Barnes and
Noble on any of the sites and it will take
you there. I'm in a good spot where there have
been times in the past where I wrote books and

(22:28):
I needed to sell copies of my book to be
able to feed my kids, to be able to pay
my mortgage. I'm in a good spot now where I
don't have to worry about that. So I am going
to donate all of the money that is made from
this book to charity. But here's what I want. I
want you guys to give me good idea on what
that charity should be. Second part of this, I want

(22:51):
you to go please buy the book because I want
the arguments that I make in this book to get
out as widely as they possibly can. You guys know
that I believe best arguments win, but we got to
get the best arguments in front of the largest possible audience.
The way you do that, this is just full disclosure,
is you sell a bunch of books in advance of

(23:14):
the book actually being released. So they print a ton
of them and they put them in the front of stores.
I want this book to be in Hudson bookstores if
you're walking through an airport. I want this thing to
be in Costco. I want this thing to be in Walmart.
The way that happens is we have to sell a
ton of them before it's even released. So I'm asking

(23:35):
you for a favor, and again, all the proceeds are
going to charity. I'm in a great spot. I'm going
to post the link on Amazon. Please go buy the book.
The book is balls. It's easy, you just type in
my name, Klay Travis. It's a fun read, but I
think it's an important one. It's about how young men,
sports fans and President Trump won the election, and how
we keep the momentum of that win going forward. Your sons,

(23:59):
your grand sons, your granddaughters, your grand your daughters. I
think they would enjoy it. They might not have been
exposed to the arguments that I'm making. I'm asking you
to buy them give it to people. Just type in
my name, Clay Travis. I'm going to share it. I
want this book to be as widely distributed as possible
because I think the arguments are important and I think

(24:20):
we are correct. The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored
by Good Ranchers.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Making the American farm strong Again. You're listening to Team
forty seven with Clay and Buck.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
If you have simply held onto your stocks and not
done anything at all, you have never had more money
in the stock market than you have right now. So
congratulations on that. Several other stories that are out there
that I believe are actually very positive. If you voted
for Donald Trump, you're having more babies. That is according
to Ryan Gerdski, the Cracker Barrel has fired. I don't

(24:58):
think I mentioned this yet, marketing agency that nearly destroyed
the fifty year old brand of the of the stock
market there sorry of the Cracker Barrel and led to
a huge stock market collapse. American Eagle sold out of
all of the Sydney Sweeney jeans and the Sydney Sweeney coat,

(25:20):
and the stock price has soared simply because they said, hey,
let's put a pretty girl in denim instead of an androgynist,
dude with an almost curse, dude with a penis who
is pretending to be a chick. And we are in
the midst of a lockdown that is having almost no impact,
and many people nationwide are realizing that the Democrats stand

(25:42):
for absolutely nothing that is actually in any way a positive. Now,
those are all things that are stringing together. I am
asking you guys to do something for me. I mentioned
this yesterday. My book is out in exactly one month.
It's it's called Balls. A ton of you went and

(26:02):
bought this yesterday. I'm telling you that I want this
book to be out there everywhere. I want you to
give it to your grandson. I want you to give
it to your granddaughter. I want you to give it
to your son or daughter because I think they are
going to respond favorably to many of the arguments that
I make, because I'm making them from a cultural perspective
that they will understand.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
We have to win young people.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
This is the great genius of Charlie Kirk going into
college campuses. This is something that I think about all
the time. I'm going to be on another college campus
this weekend. I'm going to be a Florida State. I
have for the last twenty years basically been on college
campuses every weekend for big college football games, talking to
a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Of young people.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Some of you listening to me right now are now
no longer young, because I'm now no longer young. But
when I started doing this, I was very young, twenty
five years old. Now I'm forty six. You now have
raised your own kids. Heck, I'm going to have a
kid in college next year as well. I'm writing this
book to try to influence the next generation. I have
written books in the past, and I've told you about
this Dixie Land Delight on Rocky Top, when I didn't

(27:03):
have any money, when I had a super negative net worth,
when I had tons of law school loans out there,
when I had a big mortgage.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I have lived.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
When you're looking around, you're like, man, is gonna be
a tough month, It's gonna be a tough year.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I've been through it.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I'm now in a spot where I am not having
to struggle financially. That's a credit to the fact that
the market has responded very well to the messages that
I put out there, and that's a credit to you guys.
Listening every day and how the last twenty years is gone.
So I am donating one hundred percent of the money
that I make from this book to charity. And I

(27:39):
have decided that based on some of the arguments a
ton of you sent me emails, a lot of that's
going to go to Turning Point because I think Charlie
has done tremendous work and I want to give back
to the organization that he supported, and the arguments that
I'm making in this book he helped to popularize out
there going around to college kids. We all have to

(28:00):
lift up, we all have to make arguments better. I
want this book in the front of bookstores. You wonder
how do you change hearts and minds? Sometimes you have
to find people when they're not looking for you. The
argument that I made that I talked about was the
older I get, the more I see it. My grandparents,
Richard K. Fox and Ruth Fox, eight Trenton Street, red Bank, Tennessee,

(28:23):
just outside of Chattanooga. House is still there near the
Bojangles near the Red Bank High School. Super specific could
be any community out there in America because there's lots
of people doing what they did. My grandfather worked combustion engineering,
worked in a factory much of his life. My grandmother
was a school teacher in Georgia. She drove into Georgia

(28:46):
because they paid a little bit better than Tennessee. Grandfather
played football at the University of Tennessee. Wouldn't buy gas
in the state of Georgia because there were too many
Georgia Bulldog fans and he didn't want to support him.
This is where I come from. They retired and spent
the rest of their life ministering to people in prison

(29:07):
and trying to get them to become Christians. They didn't
go and preach to the choir. There's nothing wrong with
preaching to the choir. But the reason that phrase exists
is it's easy to convince people who already agree with
you that they should agree with you. That's not how
you win, and there's a role for that. I'm not

(29:28):
disparaging the importance of preaching to the choir. You can
make the diehards more die hard. You can deliver for
the diehards, as many of you out there that are
part of congregations have seen ministers, preachers, priests do for generations.
It's not how you win. I think about winning all

(29:48):
the time, way too much. The only way you win
is by convincing people that you've got the best arguments,
and that means I was talking about earlier. That means
you have to find Zorn Mondami is doing it.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
He bought a freaking ad during the Bachelor and stands
there with a rose. Every one of his arguments is wrong,
but he's going to where people are and convincing him
that he has the answer for them, and a lot
of people are responding. We have to take the fight
to people who don't even understand that we're in a battle.
Yet we have to win hearts and minds. That's how

(30:26):
you convert people. And Donald Trump I think the math
is I write about this a lot in the book.
Got sixty four million votes roughly the first time he
ran for president in twenty sixteen. He just got over
seventy seven million in twenty twenty four. How that happen
some of you, God bless you Trump people. Sixteen twenty

(30:49):
twenty four. That's great, But that means at a minimum,
thirteen million people who weren't willing to vote Trump in
twenty sixteen showed up and voted Trump in twenty twenty four,
Probably more than that, because the reality is a decent
number of the sixty four million that voted Trump in
twenty sixteen, they weren't with us by twenty twenty four.

(31:12):
So probably twenty million new voters showed up and somehow
pushed that button, wrote down that name, pulled that lever
for Donald Trump. How did that happen? Convincing people of
the rightness of the arguments, going to people who are
not already in the congregation and saying, hey, it's the

(31:33):
right choice for you. How do you get a majority
of Hispanic men? How do you get twenty one percent
of Black men? How does Asian support skyrocket? You know,
the only group Kamala Harris did better with in twenty
twenty four than she did twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
White women.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
This book, I'd like to think a lot of young
white women are going to read and they're going to say,
you know what, these are good arguments. I'm asking you
to help me get this book out to as many
people as can possibly see it, And I'm donating all
the proceeds. Arguments I make here I think are really important.
I'm not trying to make money off this. In fact,

(32:11):
I'm going to donate all the money that I make
to a variety of worthy charitable causes.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Books a Million they heard me talking about this yesterday.
They said, Hey, we're going to give you a thirty
percent discount if you go on the Books a Million
website and you use the code Travis. It's nine dollars off.
The thing's twenty bucks. If you've got somebody in your
life that maybe you think could be influenced, maybe they're
a reader, they're not a video watcher, maybe they're a

(32:39):
thinker and they're open to persuasion. I'm asking you to
get this book in their hands, and I want people
to see this if they're walking through an airport. That's
why the cover has two big balls on it, because
a lot of people do judge a book by its cover,
and the first thing you have to do is sometimes
punch them in the mouth and make them think, Wait
a minute, is he really saying that. Yeah, Yeah, that's

(33:01):
exactly what I'm saying. The Republican Party has balls, Democrats don't.
It's a metaphor somewhat figuratively accurate if you've watched Tim
Wallas walk around with spirit fingers. But I think I
can cut through the noise and convince a lot of
people of the importance of being engaged. And we all
have to do more in the wake of what happened

(33:22):
to Charlie. And so I'm willing to do as much
as it can possibly take, and I'm willing to put
my money where my mouth is. Certainly I've been willing
to put my time down. I write the whole book.
I don't have ghostwriters sitting there and front of my
laptop by myself after I finished the show. Every day
grinding trying to make arguments that I think matter. So
you go to Books a Million, use code Travis my
last name, nine dollars off Books a million website. If

(33:44):
you just want to go to Amazon, I would love
you to go there, two tons of you. My publisher
called me yesterday. He was like, this is incredible. Thousands
of people went and bought the book yesterday after you
asked him to do on the show. So I'm asking
you favor to me, but I'm donating all the proceeds
for me, but for more importantly the arguments in this book.

(34:04):
Please go get it. The reason why I'm saying it
now a month before publication is I hope people go
out to bookstores and get it in a month. This
is when they decide where to put your book. Do
you get to be on the front tables. Do you
get to be in the airport when you're walking down
the aisle and there's a Hudson Bookstores there? Do you
get to be in Costco? Do you get to be
in Walmart? Do you get to go to where people

(34:25):
are get the book in front of them and have
them think, oh, what is this? Let me pick this
up and see whether or not I'm going to buy in?
And so that is my request for you would mean
a ton to me personally. One month out, show up
on your doorstep on the Tuesday. If you read it,
pass it on to somebody else. Word of mouth is valuable.

(34:47):
But please, I'm asking you go buy a copy nine
dollars off right now at Books a Million. You can
get them in Amazon free shipping if you're part of
Amazon Prime. As I know a lot of you are.
Mark in Salt Lake City listening on one oh five
point nine k n R s GG.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
What you got for us?

Speaker 7 (35:03):
Mister Kay Travis. This is Mark in Salt Lake.

Speaker 8 (35:08):
Just wanted to tell you when I first started hearing
you on the radio.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
You drove me absolutely nuts.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
But I've come to find out that you and I
are a lot more alike than we are not, And
I absolutely love that you're such a family man and
that you talk about your kids and the things that
they're doing and how involved you are with them.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
Keep up the good work.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, thanks for the look.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
There is no difference between what I say on the
mic and what I will see if I ever see
you in person. Some people are great performers, some people
are incredible actors.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
That is not me.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
I sit down in front of a mic and same
thing when I sit down and write and say exactly
what I think. That's rare because most people tiptoe up
to their opinions. They're afraid of what other people might think.
They're sensitive about the responses to what they say. That's normal.
I don't have those genes for whatever reason. Sometimes it's good,
sometimes it's bad. But I like to think, and certainly

(36:09):
my radio career is reflected. The more you listen, the
more people start to think, hey, you know, I kind
of agree with a lot of what this guy says,
or at least somewhat entertained Moses, Moses from western Montana.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
He's going to lead us to the Promised Land. What
you got for us?

Speaker 7 (36:23):
Look, I've got a son, two sons, one daughter, and
five grandchildren that live in the Greater Portland area, and
I am telling you what martial law needs to get imposed.
My last two visits there, it gets worse and worse.
It's the smell, it's the scudge, it's the homeless, and

(36:47):
the cops do nothing.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I think he what he said is actually so important.
They're the Left is not beautiful. And I don't mean
that necessarily physically beautiful. I mean the things that they embrace.
Look at what they do to their body, look at
the lack of beauty and buildings. There's something rotten at

(37:12):
the core of the Left that manifests itself physically in
the structures, in the bodies. I do think that it
then also certainly degrades the streets. They're dirty, they're disgusting,
they're filthy. It's a physical manifestation. I think of a

(37:34):
hole in the soul that many in the left don't
even realize that they have. And again, I think this
is where you come back to arguments. You just hope
that you can convince people these are not good choices
being made for you or your families. And I do
think over time we're winning this argument. But it's going
to be a long battle, and it's not going to

(37:54):
end when Donald Trump leaves off. It's not going to
end in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty eight. We
need a generation of healing, I think, in this country,
and it's going to take a lot of us fighting
for a long time to come

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show News

Advertise With Us

Follow Us On

Hosts And Creators

Clay Travis

Clay Travis

Buck Sexton

Buck Sexton

Show Links

WebsiteNewsletter

Popular Podcasts

Cardiac Cowboys

Cardiac Cowboys

The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.

The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.