September 14, 2025 • 32 mins
MAAA: Make American Affordable Again. Biden over-cooked the jobs data last year and now Trump is dealing with the burnt results. Trump’s unstoppable energy and how he and Charlie spread love, not hate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Making the American Farm Strong Again. Team forty seven with
Clay and Buck starts.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Now, all of the jobs data was cooked, and it
was cooked in favor of Joe Biden for much of
the last year. They just came out and announced, actually
there were nine hundred and eleven thousand fewer jobs created
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beginning in March of twenty four. I believe it was
all the way up to March of twenty five. This
matters because I think they were cooking the books to
try to make the economy look better for Joe Biden
when they thought that he was going to be running
and he was going to say, look at how many.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Jobs I've created.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Basically cuts in half the number of jobs that were
created and gives you, guys and all of us a
sense that the economy was not actually firing on all cylinders.
When Trump came into office in late January of twenty
twenty five, he was actually dealing with a very anemic
overall job picture. And it's evidence yet again that Jerome Powell,
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the head of the FED, has been too late to act.
Now there's expected to be a rate cut next month
there expected to be multiple rate cuts between now and
the end of the year. But Buck, this is your
lion eyes. Weren't lying to you when you were looking
around in November and saying, boy, it really doesn't feel
like this Biden economy is actually going that well.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Isn't it amazing how much they hid from the public
about Biden?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Really when you add it all together.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We talk a lot about the dementia and the too
old to do the job thing, but he had really
the last gasp, I think clay of the legacy media
running constant interference for him, and it even still wasn't enough.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
They went all in on Biden, all in on the
Biden economy, all in on Biden's doing a great job.
You know, head, give a job Biden, and yet Trump
came in, destroyed him in a debate, and then Kamala
was their last minute, last hope.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It just goes to show you.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't think the the old media, legacy media, whatever
you want to call them, they're never recovering. It's this
never coming back. I think that Biden was their last
gasp of being able to direct national elections at some level,
to be able to, you know, cause a few percentage
points to go in one direction or another. And the economy,
the Biden economy, is just another example of the kind
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of favoritism that they were always playing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
There's anticipation of a rate cut. Look, this is something Clay,
we haven't talked about. Honestly, I think we got a
lot of things talk Betters. I'm going to say we
haven't discussed it enough, but we certainly could spend even
more time on housing. Affordability in this country is crazy
right now. You have to make double the money to
be able to afford based on rates and based on
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the cost of buying a new home in general, double
the money you did what in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
It hasn't been that long a pre pandemic versus now
and them Median home prices I'm talking nationwide. Whether you
live in Oklahoma or Maine, or Arizona or California, whatever,
Nationwide home prices are at a place that seems unsustainable
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and there's a lot of people priced out of the market.
So we got big problems there. Good things, though, are
happening in the economy and Let's talk first about where
wholesale prices are. Here go CNBC's Rick Santelly Clay talking
about where inflation is, where prices are Play clip one.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
PPI hostsale inflation for August expected to be up three tenths. No, no, no,
down one tenth of a percent, down one tenth.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That would be the first negative numbers since April of
this year, when it was minus two tenths. Strip out
food and energy. We're also expecting up three tenths. It's
minus one tenth as well, minus one tenth the same.
Last time we had a minus number was April, and
we're comping to minus two tenths in April.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Now the year over year, in my.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Opinion, these are the most important. Boy, I'm surprised. Real
progress here. Two point six on year over year headline,
we are expecting three point three in the rear view mirror.
Three point three. Two point six would be the lowest
since was two point four in June.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Clay, this is where the American people start chanting, slowly but.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Surely, rate cut, rate cut, rate cut, Well, they should
cut fifty basis points. And I'm looking as you're telling
us all this, buck, I'm looking at the current mortgage rates,
because this is the number one thing that I believe
is broken in our economy that Biden tanked. And I'll
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explain it why in a minute. But according to the
numbers that I'm looking up right now, thirty year mortgage
is now around six point four to six point five percent,
a fifteen year is around five point six. Now that's
just me doing rapid search, So I don't want to
get deluged by all of you talking about what mortgage
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rates you've got or what happens in your particular communities.
They're coming down, and this is really important, and I
don't think necessarily that communication on this has explained exactly
what happened, but many of you are living it. We
went in the most rapid fashion of most of our lives,
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from two point five percent mortgage rates on a thirty
year to over well over seven percent, approaching eight percent
in the space of about a year. And that is
because Jerome Powell was far too late to recognize that
inflation was becoming a major issue in this country. Remember Buck,
when he just kept saying it's transitory, it's transitory.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And then we went all the way.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I believe in June of twenty one, if I'm not mistaken,
or maybe it was June of twenty two to nine
point one percent inflation.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Which was worst in forty years. Forty years.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And it's not just that the inflation happened, it's that
it happened so rapidly that many people got handcuffed when
it came to buying or selling homes. And the number
one thing that would solve a lot of the issues
in the country today, and a lot of you out
there nodding along with me, is if mortgage rates came
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back to a reasonable level where people who are ready
to sell their homes aren't looking around saying, man, I
can't even afford anything because I'm going to have to
give up a two and a half percent mortgage and
take on a nine percent more. You are an eight
percent mortgage. It's absolutely bonkers for you to do that.
And a lot of people got priced out because if
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you didn't happen to get that two and a half
or three percent mortgage, then you're constantly chasing the market
because other people did. Now the result is, I think
we're going to get at least a twenty five basis
point cut next week.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Should be a fifty point basis cut, and.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think we should have a one point overall cut
in interest rates before the end of the year, and
that will help to solve some of the log jam
in housing, which I would argue economically is the biggest
issue hamstringing a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Look, we do get the emails and talkbacks from many
of you that are telling us, hey, guys, prices are
still really high.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Prices are still really high. We get it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
We know that is the reality of what happened during
the pandemic, which was printing trillions and trillions of dollars
and then Biden printing the two trillion right when he
came into off. This just adding gasoline to a fire
that was already raging. There is no free lunch. We
printed money without the attendant productivity behind it or the
goods and services behind it. We had rampant inflation, so
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we've been paying for that, literally paying for that with
high prices. But the Trump economy is turning this around.
So it's not it's not that we're unaware or anything else.
It's that this takes time, but the data is moving
all of this in.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The right direction.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Side note Clay, it is still astonishing that half the
jobs in Biden's election year were fake jobs, as they've
now admitted. We mentioned this earlier in the week, but
I was reading a more detailed analysis of it this morning.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That is crazy. Put a pin in that though.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Wells Fargo's CEO somebody who has to look at the
macroeconomics of what's going on and has to deal with,
of course, mortgages and credit and all these different things.
Wells Fargo's a massive bank. I just think you should
hear from somebody who's, you know, not necessarily a guy
walking around in a maga hat. I don't know, maybe
he is not talking about where the economy is.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Play two.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
In our own data, things are remarkably stable. Consumer spend
continues at the same year over year pace across almost
all wealth levels. Consumer credit is as good as it's
been in the last six months. In fact, it's probably
trending a touch better. Companies are in really great shape.
We look at signs for any kind of change and
you just don't see it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And having said.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
That, there is this big dichotomy between higher income and
lower income consumers which continues and is a real issue.
And when you look at just the overall data in
terms of jobs. It's undeniable in terms of just job creation.
So yeah, things are actually feel very good today, certainly
relative to what you think they could be.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Thanks, feeling very good today. I mean, you know, look,
nothing's ever perfect with the economy. Click could always be better,
but here we are in September of Trump's first year.
It's moving the way it's supposed to be moving.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, mortgage rates important. You hit on the second thing
that I think is important. Races are never coming back down.
And I think that is so challenging because people are
angry when they go to the grocery store, when they
go to fast food. Inflation is so toxic because basically,
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once the prices are there, they never come back down.
And I don't think a lot of people recognize that
necessarily because to your point, Buck, we had two generations
where effectively we didn't have Biden era inflation, where we
didn't have Jimmy Carter era inflation. And a lot of
you who lived through the nineteen seventies that are listening
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to us right now, you said, yeah, we dealt with
this for a long time. Inflation rates got all the
way up. I think to like seventeen percent, if I'm
not mistaken mortgage rates did. I mean, it's crazy when
you go back and look at some of the historical
economic data on this.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You also used to be able to get a return
on a savings account. I think in the teens, in
the eighties at one point, right, or maybe it was nine, ten, eleven.
I mean, there were times when you could put money. Now,
there was much higher inflation, but you could put money
in a savings account backed by the government and get
a return.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We've been in an.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Era now for years, maybe decades, where to get return
on your money. Essentially, most people end up putting it
in the market in some capacity because otherwise your money
is being inflated away all the time. But inflation is
a particularly pernicious thing because not only doesn't raise prices,
but it turns out to be a tax on wage
earners because they don't have the attended assets that get
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inflated like home prices along with it, and if their
wages don't keep up, you just have less buying power,
which you feel when you're paying your rent, buying your groceries,
filling up the gas in your car. But it's a
long term thing. Right, or it takes longer to feel
that than it does the initial Let's just pay everybody
to stay home and then spend trillions and dollars under
Biden that we should never have spent totally.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And remember Biden wanted to spend five trillion and Joe
Manchin said, I can't go above one point nine. So
things would have acted actually been double digit inflation if
Biden had gotten what he wanted. But the anger, I
get it. You're never going to be able to buy
a Hamburger for the price that you did before COVID.
That's never going to occur. Your cereal is never going
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to be the price that it was before COVID. Those
prices are now embedded thanks to Biden's economic failures, and
I think some people believed, oh, prices are going to
just go back to what they were in twenty nineteen,
and when you don't see it in your grocery bill,
that is frustrating to people. This is why it's so toxic.
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This is why the Biden economy was so awful. Now
some places prices fluctuate more price of gas, for instance,
you are definitely feeling, hey, we're at four year lows
and what it costs to fill up the tank. But
the price on gas is far more of a fluctuating
factor than the price on groceries or the price on
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fast food, which is where I think a lot of
people still and I'm in this camp just are are
frustrated every time you get a bill because things cost
way more than you think they should cost. And that
is a function of poor economic decisions, to your point, Buck,
that were led by the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I tell you, And I'm not not even talking about
our wonderful sponsor, Good Ranchers, although I am making one
of their stakes tonight for dinner, so I'll just throw
that in there, so I guess I am talking about them.
You go out to a restaurant these days and you
get a steak, and whether it's a good steak a
mediocre steak, I can't find a steak anywhere. And now
I know it's Miami, and you're gonna say it's expensive,
We're gonna be in Fort Wayne. I guarantee you if
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we go out to the steakhouse in Fort Wayne, Clay
if Filay is like sixty five seventy bucks these days
for one for one, I mean, I remember you used
to go have a steak dinner for seventy dollars. I
know it sound like some guy from you from the
old olden days or something, but the price is food prices.
They can't hide from you and at a restaurant because
they have to add in all the attendant costs of
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labor and tax and everything else. You can see what
they have to run up in order to run a business.
I mean, you cannot get a file a in a
metro area of the United States, right, No, you can't
get like a decent steak for less than sixty bucks.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Really, I mean it's very hard to find. It is.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Again, everything costs more than it should. And to your
point on the fill a, we go to a restaurant.
I love it. It's in Franklin, Tennessee, right not far
from where we live, called the chop House. Not a
super fancy place, great service. I love this place. They
didn't know they were going to get a shout out.
My son ordered a filet a steak the other day.
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We went to go eat there and the wager came
over and he said, Hey, I just want to let
you know this is the most affordable place like I
can think of where you can go sit down. He said,
the cost on our fill at is now over forty dollars.
We've had to keep changing that. It's not even included
in the menu now, and I think a lot of
you have probably experienced that where you go. I'm not
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talking about how many ounces are we talking to? Are
we talking eight ounce ful a?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Look? I take my meat very seriously. We talking eight.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Ouns ten ounce fil a? I mean I want to
weigh an eight ounce fil a pretty easily.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We're not talking about the place where you had to
buy me the fancy steak and you're.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Still paying that off play. You want to talk about
mortgage rates. That's where all my money's.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Going after Biden dropped out of the race. We're not
talking about this. This is a great, really local establishment.
But I do think that many of you feel this
when you go in. The other thing that's happened is,
and this is me being a kind of looking at
the data, the difference between fast food and like casual,
sit down restaurant prices has almost vanished. Like you can't
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eat affordably at fast food anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean I order shakeshack here with Kerry sometimes and
it's fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm just getting two burgers and some fries. She always says,
don't get the fries. By the way, to all the
husbands out there, obviously we get the fries, you know
what I mean. Like they say, don't get the fries,
you get the fries, and they're happy you got the
fry when they're there. When those hot fries show fries
show up, no one's ever upset that you got them.
But people will tell you don't ever let and even
when you're out of the restaurant play important rule whenever
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someone says, oh, we don't need the frize, yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Always get these frize. You always get the prizes.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and fuck
it has been a heck of a draining, emotional week
for so many of us across the nation. So many
of you want to weigh in, and so for the
next couple of hours legitimately full open forums, talkbacks, calls,
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we are going to get as many of you in
as we can as we roll into the weekend. Point
worth discussing. And I was just joking about this off air,
because I do think we need a little bit of
levity in what has been a.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Very dark week.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
President Trump woke up this morning after going to the
Yankee game last night and just rode his motorcade over
to the Fox studios on Sixth Avenue and set down
on the Fox and Friends couch and did an hour
of live unscripted television on all subjects under the sun,
including announcing that we had the assassin of Charlie Kirk
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in custody. And we just came from a president that
basically could never do any media availabilities on any subject
and Trump just rolled in, set down on the couch,
a couch that I've said on a guest hosted Fox
and Friends on the weekend, and did an hour straight
of unscripted television. Buck And it wasn't very long ago,
about ten days ago, that everybody decided because he took
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a weekend off from doing media, that he was actually dead.
And so I do think a big part of this
larger discussion needs to be how many people out there
consume audience, consume media that is consistently wrong about everything,
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and yet they keep going back to it over and
over and over again in desperate demand for at some
point their fever dreams of delusion to be.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Certified.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And I do think that factors in here and one thing, Buck,
as we get ready to take as we get ready
to take some calls here and take some of your talkbacks,
I want all of you to think about this. Buck
has got a book out, so honestly, these are both
very timely books where he tries to get into tell us.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
The name manufacturing delusion, how the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination
and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion.
But subtitles apparently are helpful.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And my book, and that's a very August title. My
book is called Balls, and it's about how Trump, young
men and sports fans saved America. Okay, but I do
think that these are two different sides of the same coin,
much like this assassin is if you compare his life
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to Charlie Kirkson. Let me let me just kind of
run through a little bit here. I feel immense sadness
for so many young men in America because there for
much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there was
a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you busted
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your ass in a job, you had a job, to
try to take care of your family and provide a
better life for them going forward.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You might have to go to war. If you look generously,
you may have to go to get killed.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was
universally accepted across the political spectrum, whatever whatever you think.
In nineteen forty five, a Democrat and a Republican represented
by and large, there was an understanding of what manhood
was and what it represented. I think so many young
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men in the wake of the me too and in
the toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried
to say manhood itself is toxic, the absence and continued
decline of religion, which helped to frankly allow the foundational
elements of the family, the nuclear family manhood. I think
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there is a desperate yearning for meaning and I think
Charlie Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I
think he found a foundational core tenet of life that
led him in a productive way to get married, to
have two kids, to try to communicate to these lost
young men, a pathway to what he thought would be
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a better life for them.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
One thing that sorry, yes, one thing I was going
to say, Clay, that is so important when you look
at the competing narratives here about Charlie. There's our narrative,
which is rooted in reality of a man who did
it the right way, was an inspiration, was kind, reliable,
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a father, all the things that we have said. So
I want to you know, you know how we feel
about Charlie. But what you'll hear from a lot of
people on the left, who of course don't know Charlie.
And this is always another thing, you know. I know
this a little bit of a digression. I know a
lot of people in media on the right, and I
know a lot of people on media and the left,
and the people on the right are almost always better people.
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I'm just telling you the truth, okay. I mean as people.
I'm not talking about their talent. I'm not talking about
their paycheck or you know, their ratings or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But you know, as humans.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
You you know, I was gonna tell you. You listen
to to this radio show. You listen to some of
our peers and radio and some of the people that
I won't name them, you know they are if they
were your neighbor, you'd be blessed if you had to
leave your kids with. You'd know that, you know, because
you had an emergency, you'd know that they'd be fine.
You know, you'd they'd probably get a home cooked meal
by the time you got home. Like they're good people, Okay,
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they're at their core good people. There are a lot
of leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings,
I'll just put it that way. A lot of leftists,
and it's true of the politicians as well. And you
see this, and you're aware of this perception. There is
a difference in the view of life. But Clay, we
know who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other
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side says that he was put including unfortunately this this
horrific assassin, that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what
you see actually when you look at what Charlie said,
and beyond that, look at how his followers act. They
act with love and within the law, and with consideration
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and with kindness. And yet the people that think on
the other side that they're doing some great favor to
society by being violent, not just in this incident, but
in many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others.
They think that they are stopping hate speech, and they
never stop to think that they're the hateful ones, that
they are the ones who are saying your words upset me.
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So I will attack you, I will punch you, I
will even kill you. Who's the one spreading hate? What
is the hate that Charlie spreads? And by the way,
I would I would just add a lot of this
comes back to the trans stuff. That's really where if
you push somebody who says that that the right is
spewing hate speech, Clay, it's overwhelmingly just a version of
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saying you are racing trans people, you are. You know,
these things go and go together all the time. But
I think when you if you're talking about hate, which
is the side that is hateful?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think it couldn't be more clear.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose,
he got married, he had kids. This twenty two year
year old was looking for his life's purpose, and he
found his life's purpose to be killing Charlie Kirk. How
does that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I
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think it speaks to again, the twenty seven year law
enforcement veteran dad had to turn his son that I
would bet this dad poured his heart and soul into
trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of the community.
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I don't know very many parents who do anything else. Now,
you might fail, and we might find out that there's
something in the background of this kid that was not
ideal that helped to put him on this awful path.
But you have two young men. One finds his path
and is trying to extend a hand to everyone else
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to say, hey, this path works for me. I think
it could work for you too, And so so many
young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path for
themselves as well. And then you have this twenty two
year old who, by all intentsive purposes, appears buck to
have been normal for much of his life. And he
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gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that he's writing
anti pro fascist and anti fascist, anti fascist and anti
anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses to incredibly
detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
How does that happen? How do they go again? In pathways?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
And so in the book Clay, I get into these
I get into brainwashing, I get into a process called mentacide.
I get into Pavlovian conditioning. I get into isolation and
how that is used as a tool in this. I
get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion, right,
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I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and
again the book's not even out till January, but it's
just this is what my I've been looking at this
because a lot of it was driven by COVID, But
I get into the trans thing as well, and how
people who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people
or will kill people even because they have the wrong
idea about trans in you know, quote unquote wrong idea
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that how does someone get to that point? You know,
how someone so diluted? And this is a huge problem
in our society because these ideas can grow and can
take root to the point where they can actually cause
a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the
Russian Revolution into Soviets, and you saw this in North Korea.
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And I get into some of this. We're actually the
crazy ideas are the mandatory ideas. And the Democrat Party
has had some instances where they have shown us this.
COVID was one of the most it was probably the
most powerful instance of it, but also the same thing
with men don't have an advantage over women in sports
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and other ideas like this.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Right, you get into all of this, but.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It is a process of radicalization, and there is something
that we have to look at here and understand much more,
much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way.
How do we get people off this path. It's a
little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's
a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem
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that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process. Because,
as you say this, what about this young man in
his past, in his background would make you think that
this would But I've gone through this clay with people
that were preparing to strap a suicide vest on and
go into the New York City subway system, or we're
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planning to buy AK forty seven's and grenades to go
shoot up a a a Jewish temple in one of
the suburbs of New York. I mean, you know, these
people are not leading up to this point. They aren't
necessarily from abusive homes, they're not impoverished that you know,
there hasn't been some but the ideas, and the idea
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loop grows, and there are those who are able to
manipulate in this way. There are those who able to
manufacture these killers through this process, and we need to
take this. I mean we're already taking it seriously, but
we need to understand that there's a tremendous urgency in
this country to figure out how we handle this because
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it's going to keep happening, and it does not have
to happen. There are places where this does not happen.
Our country is a place where this sort of thing
is happening right now, and that means that there are
underlying and foundational issues to be addressed. And I think
that a big part of it is just holding holding
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the Democrat Party and the Democrat aligned media accountable for
what they say. When you call someone a fascist, and
you say and you mean it, you are saying that
person is a threat to everyone else, a threat to
all that is good, and violence against them is justified.
China is a communist country. If I call someone a communist,
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am I saying we have to go we have to
go murder a billion Chinese people? No, of course not.
It's referring to it as an ideology. But when you
call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country out there
right now, Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi, you
are resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today
again on Charlemagne The God Show. And I think when
you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what
you are saying, Buck.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You are directly saying, go.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Kill him because we have. I mean, this was of
a silly debate that used to go on. But before
the Trump, you ever made Hitler, You kill baby Hitler
was kind of a ridiculous sit around the coffee table
or while you're having a beer debate. And when you
call someone who is full grown Hitler, you are telling
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people go kill him, which is why you can't say
that and then tried to immediately condemn. I would have
more respect for Democrats if after they tried to kill Trump,
if somebody had come out and said, I wish we
had better aim he's his, because at least it would
be consistent.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
In the army. You can't condemn violence after inciting it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
We already know there are lines if you just called
every as a as a group. Right, you just called
everyone who disagree with you politically. You just started asserting
that they were child molesters. We would know that's defamation,
that's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say that this
person is the worst kind of human being, imaginable, the
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most vile, the the most you know, lacking in decency, imaginable.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We would understand.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right, everybody would know if you just go around and saying, oh,
you're running against me for this office, you're a child molester.
Everybody would know that that is crossing a clear You
know that you're saying this to defame someone, crossing a
clear line. Which, of course they've said all kinds of
things about Trump. You don't have to end up said
he's a rapist, they've said everything. But yeah, with this,
to call someone a nazi isn't crossing the line. To
say that you are truly a fascist who's going to
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end the republic and therefore our country is going to collapse,
that is crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
There will not be elections again, which is what they
have argued for years now, a decade that tries a dictator.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Who will people remember because it was it was very uh,
we got to go to break and we want to
take your calls here, so we'll get to it. But
when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it was
when the Democrats, I was there to tell them what
was coming, and I did, and it did happen that way.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But I remember I looked at Bill Maher. I think
it might have been in the post show video they do.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I said, I mean, you know that it's going to
be okay if Trump wins, right, He's going to win
and everything going to be fine. And he looked me right,
and he goes, I absolutely do not know that. I
think the country might end. Well, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You have a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You have you should go speak counseling, speak to your priests,
well not for Bill Maher, Speak to your therapist, speak
to whomever
The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Making the American Farm Strong Again. Team forty seven with
Clay and Buck starts.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Now, all of the jobs data was cooked, and it
was cooked in favor of Joe Biden for much of
the last year. They just came out and announced, actually
there were nine hundred and eleven thousand fewer jobs created
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beginning in March of twenty four. I believe it was
all the way up to March of twenty five. This
matters because I think they were cooking the books to
try to make the economy look better for Joe Biden
when they thought that he was going to be running
and he was going to say, look at how many.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Jobs I've created.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Basically cuts in half the number of jobs that were
created and gives you, guys and all of us a
sense that the economy was not actually firing on all cylinders.
When Trump came into office in late January of twenty
twenty five, he was actually dealing with a very anemic
overall job picture. And it's evidence yet again that Jerome Powell,
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the head of the FED, has been too late to act.
Now there's expected to be a rate cut next month
there expected to be multiple rate cuts between now and
the end of the year. But Buck, this is your
lion eyes. Weren't lying to you when you were looking
around in November and saying, boy, it really doesn't feel
like this Biden economy is actually going that well.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Isn't it amazing how much they hid from the public
about Biden?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Really when you add it all together.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We talk a lot about the dementia and the too
old to do the job thing, but he had really
the last gasp, I think clay of the legacy media
running constant interference for him, and it even still wasn't enough.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
They went all in on Biden, all in on the
Biden economy, all in on Biden's doing a great job.
You know, head, give a job Biden, and yet Trump
came in, destroyed him in a debate, and then Kamala
was their last minute, last hope.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It just goes to show you.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't think the the old media, legacy media, whatever
you want to call them, they're never recovering. It's this
never coming back. I think that Biden was their last
gasp of being able to direct national elections at some level,
to be able to, you know, cause a few percentage
points to go in one direction or another. And the economy,
the Biden economy, is just another example of the kind
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of favoritism that they were always playing.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
There's anticipation of a rate cut. Look, this is something Clay,
we haven't talked about. Honestly, I think we got a
lot of things talk Betters. I'm going to say we
haven't discussed it enough, but we certainly could spend even
more time on housing. Affordability in this country is crazy
right now. You have to make double the money to
be able to afford based on rates and based on
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the cost of buying a new home in general, double
the money you did what in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
It hasn't been that long a pre pandemic versus now
and them Median home prices I'm talking nationwide. Whether you
live in Oklahoma or Maine, or Arizona or California, whatever,
Nationwide home prices are at a place that seems unsustainable
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and there's a lot of people priced out of the market.
So we got big problems there. Good things, though, are
happening in the economy and Let's talk first about where
wholesale prices are. Here go CNBC's Rick Santelly Clay talking
about where inflation is, where prices are Play clip one.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
PPI hostsale inflation for August expected to be up three tenths. No, no, no,
down one tenth of a percent, down one tenth.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That would be the first negative numbers since April of
this year, when it was minus two tenths. Strip out
food and energy. We're also expecting up three tenths. It's
minus one tenth as well, minus one tenth the same.
Last time we had a minus number was April, and
we're comping to minus two tenths in April.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Now the year over year, in my.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Opinion, these are the most important. Boy, I'm surprised. Real
progress here. Two point six on year over year headline,
we are expecting three point three in the rear view mirror.
Three point three. Two point six would be the lowest
since was two point four in June.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Clay, this is where the American people start chanting, slowly but.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Surely, rate cut, rate cut, rate cut, Well, they should
cut fifty basis points. And I'm looking as you're telling
us all this, buck, I'm looking at the current mortgage rates,
because this is the number one thing that I believe
is broken in our economy that Biden tanked. And I'll
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explain it why in a minute. But according to the
numbers that I'm looking up right now, thirty year mortgage
is now around six point four to six point five percent,
a fifteen year is around five point six. Now that's
just me doing rapid search, So I don't want to
get deluged by all of you talking about what mortgage
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rates you've got or what happens in your particular communities.
They're coming down, and this is really important, and I
don't think necessarily that communication on this has explained exactly
what happened, but many of you are living it. We
went in the most rapid fashion of most of our lives,
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from two point five percent mortgage rates on a thirty
year to over well over seven percent, approaching eight percent
in the space of about a year. And that is
because Jerome Powell was far too late to recognize that
inflation was becoming a major issue in this country. Remember Buck,
when he just kept saying it's transitory, it's transitory.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And then we went all the way.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I believe in June of twenty one, if I'm not mistaken,
or maybe it was June of twenty two to nine
point one percent inflation.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Which was worst in forty years. Forty years.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And it's not just that the inflation happened, it's that
it happened so rapidly that many people got handcuffed when
it came to buying or selling homes. And the number
one thing that would solve a lot of the issues
in the country today, and a lot of you out
there nodding along with me, is if mortgage rates came
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back to a reasonable level where people who are ready
to sell their homes aren't looking around saying, man, I
can't even afford anything because I'm going to have to
give up a two and a half percent mortgage and
take on a nine percent more. You are an eight
percent mortgage. It's absolutely bonkers for you to do that.
And a lot of people got priced out because if
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you didn't happen to get that two and a half
or three percent mortgage, then you're constantly chasing the market
because other people did. Now the result is, I think
we're going to get at least a twenty five basis
point cut next week.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Should be a fifty point basis cut, and.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think we should have a one point overall cut
in interest rates before the end of the year, and
that will help to solve some of the log jam
in housing, which I would argue economically is the biggest
issue hamstringing a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Look, we do get the emails and talkbacks from many
of you that are telling us, hey, guys, prices are
still really high.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Prices are still really high. We get it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
We know that is the reality of what happened during
the pandemic, which was printing trillions and trillions of dollars
and then Biden printing the two trillion right when he
came into off. This just adding gasoline to a fire
that was already raging. There is no free lunch. We
printed money without the attendant productivity behind it or the
goods and services behind it. We had rampant inflation, so
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we've been paying for that, literally paying for that with
high prices. But the Trump economy is turning this around.
So it's not it's not that we're unaware or anything else.
It's that this takes time, but the data is moving
all of this in.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The right direction.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Side note Clay, it is still astonishing that half the
jobs in Biden's election year were fake jobs, as they've
now admitted. We mentioned this earlier in the week, but
I was reading a more detailed analysis of it this morning.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That is crazy. Put a pin in that though.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Wells Fargo's CEO somebody who has to look at the
macroeconomics of what's going on and has to deal with,
of course, mortgages and credit and all these different things.
Wells Fargo's a massive bank. I just think you should
hear from somebody who's, you know, not necessarily a guy
walking around in a maga hat. I don't know, maybe
he is not talking about where the economy is.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Play two.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
In our own data, things are remarkably stable. Consumer spend
continues at the same year over year pace across almost
all wealth levels. Consumer credit is as good as it's
been in the last six months. In fact, it's probably
trending a touch better. Companies are in really great shape.
We look at signs for any kind of change and
you just don't see it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And having said.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
That, there is this big dichotomy between higher income and
lower income consumers which continues and is a real issue.
And when you look at just the overall data in
terms of jobs. It's undeniable in terms of just job creation.
So yeah, things are actually feel very good today, certainly
relative to what you think they could be.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Thanks, feeling very good today. I mean, you know, look,
nothing's ever perfect with the economy. Click could always be better,
but here we are in September of Trump's first year.
It's moving the way it's supposed to be moving.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, mortgage rates important. You hit on the second thing
that I think is important. Races are never coming back down.
And I think that is so challenging because people are
angry when they go to the grocery store, when they
go to fast food. Inflation is so toxic because basically,
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once the prices are there, they never come back down.
And I don't think a lot of people recognize that
necessarily because to your point, Buck, we had two generations
where effectively we didn't have Biden era inflation, where we
didn't have Jimmy Carter era inflation. And a lot of
you who lived through the nineteen seventies that are listening
(10:38):
to us right now, you said, yeah, we dealt with
this for a long time. Inflation rates got all the
way up. I think to like seventeen percent, if I'm
not mistaken mortgage rates did. I mean, it's crazy when
you go back and look at some of the historical
economic data on this.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You also used to be able to get a return
on a savings account. I think in the teens, in
the eighties at one point, right, or maybe it was nine, ten, eleven.
I mean, there were times when you could put money. Now,
there was much higher inflation, but you could put money
in a savings account backed by the government and get
a return.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We've been in an.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Era now for years, maybe decades, where to get return
on your money. Essentially, most people end up putting it
in the market in some capacity because otherwise your money
is being inflated away all the time. But inflation is
a particularly pernicious thing because not only doesn't raise prices,
but it turns out to be a tax on wage
earners because they don't have the attended assets that get
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inflated like home prices along with it, and if their
wages don't keep up, you just have less buying power,
which you feel when you're paying your rent, buying your groceries,
filling up the gas in your car. But it's a
long term thing. Right, or it takes longer to feel
that than it does the initial Let's just pay everybody
to stay home and then spend trillions and dollars under
Biden that we should never have spent totally.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And remember Biden wanted to spend five trillion and Joe
Manchin said, I can't go above one point nine. So
things would have acted actually been double digit inflation if
Biden had gotten what he wanted. But the anger, I
get it. You're never going to be able to buy
a Hamburger for the price that you did before COVID.
That's never going to occur. Your cereal is never going
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to be the price that it was before COVID. Those
prices are now embedded thanks to Biden's economic failures, and
I think some people believed, oh, prices are going to
just go back to what they were in twenty nineteen,
and when you don't see it in your grocery bill,
that is frustrating to people. This is why it's so toxic.
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This is why the Biden economy was so awful. Now
some places prices fluctuate more price of gas, for instance,
you are definitely feeling, hey, we're at four year lows
and what it costs to fill up the tank. But
the price on gas is far more of a fluctuating
factor than the price on groceries or the price on
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fast food, which is where I think a lot of
people still and I'm in this camp just are are
frustrated every time you get a bill because things cost
way more than you think they should cost. And that
is a function of poor economic decisions, to your point, Buck,
that were led by the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I tell you, And I'm not not even talking about
our wonderful sponsor, Good Ranchers, although I am making one
of their stakes tonight for dinner, so I'll just throw
that in there, so I guess I am talking about them.
You go out to a restaurant these days and you
get a steak, and whether it's a good steak a
mediocre steak, I can't find a steak anywhere. And now
I know it's Miami, and you're gonna say it's expensive,
We're gonna be in Fort Wayne. I guarantee you if
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we go out to the steakhouse in Fort Wayne, Clay
if Filay is like sixty five seventy bucks these days
for one for one, I mean, I remember you used
to go have a steak dinner for seventy dollars. I
know it sound like some guy from you from the
old olden days or something, but the price is food prices.
They can't hide from you and at a restaurant because
they have to add in all the attendant costs of
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labor and tax and everything else. You can see what
they have to run up in order to run a business.
I mean, you cannot get a file a in a
metro area of the United States, right, No, you can't
get like a decent steak for less than sixty bucks.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Really, I mean it's very hard to find. It is.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Again, everything costs more than it should. And to your
point on the fill a, we go to a restaurant.
I love it. It's in Franklin, Tennessee, right not far
from where we live, called the chop House. Not a
super fancy place, great service. I love this place. They
didn't know they were going to get a shout out.
My son ordered a filet a steak the other day.
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We went to go eat there and the wager came
over and he said, Hey, I just want to let
you know this is the most affordable place like I
can think of where you can go sit down. He said,
the cost on our fill at is now over forty dollars.
We've had to keep changing that. It's not even included
in the menu now, and I think a lot of
you have probably experienced that where you go. I'm not
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talking about how many ounces are we talking to? Are
we talking eight ounce ful a?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Look? I take my meat very seriously. We talking eight.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Ouns ten ounce fil a? I mean I want to
weigh an eight ounce fil a pretty easily.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We're not talking about the place where you had to
buy me the fancy steak and you're.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Still paying that off play. You want to talk about
mortgage rates. That's where all my money's.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Going after Biden dropped out of the race. We're not
talking about this. This is a great, really local establishment.
But I do think that many of you feel this
when you go in. The other thing that's happened is,
and this is me being a kind of looking at
the data, the difference between fast food and like casual,
sit down restaurant prices has almost vanished. Like you can't
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eat affordably at fast food anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean I order shakeshack here with Kerry sometimes and
it's fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I'm just getting two burgers and some fries. She always says,
don't get the fries. By the way, to all the
husbands out there, obviously we get the fries, you know
what I mean. Like they say, don't get the fries,
you get the fries, and they're happy you got the
fry when they're there. When those hot fries show fries
show up, no one's ever upset that you got them.
But people will tell you don't ever let and even
when you're out of the restaurant play important rule whenever
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someone says, oh, we don't need the frize, yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Always get these frize. You always get the prizes.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and fuck
it has been a heck of a draining, emotional week
for so many of us across the nation. So many
of you want to weigh in, and so for the
next couple of hours legitimately full open forums, talkbacks, calls,
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we are going to get as many of you in
as we can as we roll into the weekend. Point
worth discussing. And I was just joking about this off air,
because I do think we need a little bit of
levity in what has been a.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Very dark week.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
President Trump woke up this morning after going to the
Yankee game last night and just rode his motorcade over
to the Fox studios on Sixth Avenue and set down
on the Fox and Friends couch and did an hour
of live unscripted television on all subjects under the sun,
including announcing that we had the assassin of Charlie Kirk
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in custody. And we just came from a president that
basically could never do any media availabilities on any subject
and Trump just rolled in, set down on the couch,
a couch that I've said on a guest hosted Fox
and Friends on the weekend, and did an hour straight
of unscripted television. Buck And it wasn't very long ago,
about ten days ago, that everybody decided because he took
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a weekend off from doing media, that he was actually dead.
And so I do think a big part of this
larger discussion needs to be how many people out there
consume audience, consume media that is consistently wrong about everything,
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and yet they keep going back to it over and
over and over again in desperate demand for at some
point their fever dreams of delusion to be.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Certified.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And I do think that factors in here and one thing, Buck,
as we get ready to take as we get ready
to take some calls here and take some of your talkbacks,
I want all of you to think about this. Buck
has got a book out, so honestly, these are both
very timely books where he tries to get into tell us.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
The name manufacturing delusion, how the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination
and propaganda against you. I just wanted to be manufacturing delusion.
But subtitles apparently are helpful.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And my book, and that's a very August title. My
book is called Balls, and it's about how Trump, young
men and sports fans saved America. Okay, but I do
think that these are two different sides of the same coin,
much like this assassin is if you compare his life
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to Charlie Kirkson. Let me let me just kind of
run through a little bit here. I feel immense sadness
for so many young men in America because there for
much of history, whatever you thought of politics, there was
a consistent expectation for men. You got married, you busted
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your ass in a job, you had a job, to
try to take care of your family and provide a
better life for them going forward.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You might have to go to war. If you look generously,
you may have to go to get killed.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
We had an experience and expectation of manhood that was
universally accepted across the political spectrum, whatever whatever you think.
In nineteen forty five, a Democrat and a Republican represented
by and large, there was an understanding of what manhood
was and what it represented. I think so many young
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men in the wake of the me too and in
the toxic universe of this woke culture that has tried
to say manhood itself is toxic, the absence and continued
decline of religion, which helped to frankly allow the foundational
elements of the family, the nuclear family manhood. I think
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there is a desperate yearning for meaning and I think
Charlie Kirk found it. Whatever you think about him, I
think he found a foundational core tenet of life that
led him in a productive way to get married, to
have two kids, to try to communicate to these lost
young men, a pathway to what he thought would be
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a better life for them.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
One thing that sorry, yes, one thing I was going
to say, Clay, that is so important when you look
at the competing narratives here about Charlie. There's our narrative,
which is rooted in reality of a man who did
it the right way, was an inspiration, was kind, reliable,
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a father, all the things that we have said. So
I want to you know, you know how we feel
about Charlie. But what you'll hear from a lot of
people on the left, who of course don't know Charlie.
And this is always another thing, you know. I know
this a little bit of a digression. I know a
lot of people in media on the right, and I
know a lot of people on media and the left,
and the people on the right are almost always better people.
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I'm just telling you the truth, okay. I mean as people.
I'm not talking about their talent. I'm not talking about
their paycheck or you know, their ratings or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But you know, as humans.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
You you know, I was gonna tell you. You listen
to to this radio show. You listen to some of
our peers and radio and some of the people that
I won't name them, you know they are if they
were your neighbor, you'd be blessed if you had to
leave your kids with. You'd know that, you know, because
you had an emergency, you'd know that they'd be fine.
You know, you'd they'd probably get a home cooked meal
by the time you got home. Like they're good people, Okay,
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they're at their core good people. There are a lot
of leftists who are truly lost and nasty human beings,
I'll just put it that way. A lot of leftists,
and it's true of the politicians as well. And you
see this, and you're aware of this perception. There is
a difference in the view of life. But Clay, we
know who Charlie was. They keep saying Charlie. The other
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side says that he was put including unfortunately this this
horrific assassin, that Charlie was spewing hate speech. But what
you see actually when you look at what Charlie said,
and beyond that, look at how his followers act. They
act with love and within the law, and with consideration
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and with kindness. And yet the people that think on
the other side that they're doing some great favor to
society by being violent, not just in this incident, but
in many incidents like it, Antifa and all these others.
They think that they are stopping hate speech, and they
never stop to think that they're the hateful ones, that
they are the ones who are saying your words upset me.
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So I will attack you, I will punch you, I
will even kill you. Who's the one spreading hate? What
is the hate that Charlie spreads? And by the way,
I would I would just add a lot of this
comes back to the trans stuff. That's really where if
you push somebody who says that that the right is
spewing hate speech, Clay, it's overwhelmingly just a version of
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saying you are racing trans people, you are. You know,
these things go and go together all the time. But
I think when you if you're talking about hate, which
is the side that is hateful?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think it couldn't be more clear.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Agree with all of that. Charlie found his life purpose,
he got married, he had kids. This twenty two year
year old was looking for his life's purpose, and he
found his life's purpose to be killing Charlie Kirk. How
does that happen? Your book is partly addressing it. I
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think it speaks to again, the twenty seven year law
enforcement veteran dad had to turn his son that I
would bet this dad poured his heart and soul into
trying to raise as an uplifting, successful part of the community.
(24:35):
I don't know very many parents who do anything else. Now,
you might fail, and we might find out that there's
something in the background of this kid that was not
ideal that helped to put him on this awful path.
But you have two young men. One finds his path
and is trying to extend a hand to everyone else
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to say, hey, this path works for me. I think
it could work for you too, And so so many
young men, in seeing Charlie's path, see a path for
themselves as well. And then you have this twenty two
year old who, by all intentsive purposes, appears buck to
have been normal for much of his life. And he
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gets radicalized to such an extent somewhere that he's writing
anti pro fascist and anti fascist, anti fascist and anti
anti Nazi comments on bullets that he uses to incredibly
detailed plan the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
How does that happen? How do they go again? In pathways?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
And so in the book Clay, I get into these
I get into brainwashing, I get into a process called mentacide.
I get into Pavlovian conditioning. I get into isolation and
how that is used as a tool in this. I
get into fear as a tool, a tool of ideological coercion, right,
(26:01):
I mean, these are all different things. I mean, and
again the book's not even out till January, but it's
just this is what my I've been looking at this
because a lot of it was driven by COVID, But
I get into the trans thing as well, and how
people who aren't trans themselves will threaten to kill people
or will kill people even because they have the wrong
idea about trans in you know, quote unquote wrong idea
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that how does someone get to that point? You know,
how someone so diluted? And this is a huge problem
in our society because these ideas can grow and can
take root to the point where they can actually cause
a societal upheaval. I mean, you saw this in the
Russian Revolution into Soviets, and you saw this in North Korea.
(26:46):
And I get into some of this. We're actually the
crazy ideas are the mandatory ideas. And the Democrat Party
has had some instances where they have shown us this.
COVID was one of the most it was probably the
most powerful instance of it, but also the same thing
with men don't have an advantage over women in sports
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and other ideas like this.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Right, you get into all of this, but.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It is a process of radicalization, and there is something
that we have to look at here and understand much more,
much more deeply and in a much more cohesive way.
How do we get people off this path. It's a
little bit like getting them out of a cult. It's
a little bit like removing them from an ideological ecosystem
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that is self reinforcing and actually deteriorating throughout that process. Because,
as you say this, what about this young man in
his past, in his background would make you think that
this would But I've gone through this clay with people
that were preparing to strap a suicide vest on and
go into the New York City subway system, or we're
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planning to buy AK forty seven's and grenades to go
shoot up a a a Jewish temple in one of
the suburbs of New York. I mean, you know, these
people are not leading up to this point. They aren't
necessarily from abusive homes, they're not impoverished that you know,
there hasn't been some but the ideas, and the idea
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loop grows, and there are those who are able to
manipulate in this way. There are those who able to
manufacture these killers through this process, and we need to
take this. I mean we're already taking it seriously, but
we need to understand that there's a tremendous urgency in
this country to figure out how we handle this because
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it's going to keep happening, and it does not have
to happen. There are places where this does not happen.
Our country is a place where this sort of thing
is happening right now, and that means that there are
underlying and foundational issues to be addressed. And I think
that a big part of it is just holding holding
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the Democrat Party and the Democrat aligned media accountable for
what they say. When you call someone a fascist, and
you say and you mean it, you are saying that
person is a threat to everyone else, a threat to
all that is good, and violence against them is justified.
China is a communist country. If I call someone a communist,
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am I saying we have to go we have to
go murder a billion Chinese people? No, of course not.
It's referring to it as an ideology. But when you
call someone a fascist, there's no fascist country out there
right now, Clay, when you say fascist or Nazi, you
are resurrecting something from the past to justify violence today.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Jasmine Crockett's building on this, just called Trump Hitler today
again on Charlemagne The God Show. And I think when
you specifically analogize Trump to Adolf Hitler, building on what
you are saying, Buck.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You are directly saying, go.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Kill him because we have. I mean, this was of
a silly debate that used to go on. But before
the Trump, you ever made Hitler, You kill baby Hitler
was kind of a ridiculous sit around the coffee table
or while you're having a beer debate. And when you
call someone who is full grown Hitler, you are telling
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people go kill him, which is why you can't say
that and then tried to immediately condemn. I would have
more respect for Democrats if after they tried to kill Trump,
if somebody had come out and said, I wish we
had better aim he's his, because at least it would
be consistent.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
In the army. You can't condemn violence after inciting it.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
We already know there are lines if you just called
every as a as a group. Right, you just called
everyone who disagree with you politically. You just started asserting
that they were child molesters. We would know that's defamation,
that's wrong, that's unethical. You're trying to say that this
person is the worst kind of human being, imaginable, the
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most vile, the the most you know, lacking in decency, imaginable.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We would understand.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right, everybody would know if you just go around and saying, oh,
you're running against me for this office, you're a child molester.
Everybody would know that that is crossing a clear You
know that you're saying this to defame someone, crossing a
clear line. Which, of course they've said all kinds of
things about Trump. You don't have to end up said
he's a rapist, they've said everything. But yeah, with this,
to call someone a nazi isn't crossing the line. To
say that you are truly a fascist who's going to
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end the republic and therefore our country is going to collapse,
that is crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
There will not be elections again, which is what they
have argued for years now, a decade that tries a dictator.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Who will people remember because it was it was very uh,
we got to go to break and we want to
take your calls here, so we'll get to it. But
when I did that Bill Maher appearance, and it was
when the Democrats, I was there to tell them what
was coming, and I did, and it did happen that way.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But I remember I looked at Bill Maher. I think
it might have been in the post show video they do.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I said, I mean, you know that it's going to
be okay if Trump wins, right, He's going to win
and everything going to be fine. And he looked me right,
and he goes, I absolutely do not know that. I
think the country might end. Well, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You have a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You have you should go speak counseling, speak to your priests,
well not for Bill Maher, Speak to your therapist, speak
to whomever
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