September 7, 2025 • 30 mins
The latest U.S. jobs report, revealing a slowdown in hiring with only 22,000 jobs added in August. Clay and Buck analyze inflation’s lingering effects under President Biden, emphasizing how price hikes have reshaped consumer expectations and daily costs—from fast food to coffee. They argue that although inflation has cooled, the damage to household budgets remains embedded, creating a political challenge for President Trump’s current administration. They also cover breaking news about a Supreme Court case that could impact presidential authority over tariffs, potentially reversing nearly a trillion dollars in collected revenue. Clay and Buck explore the legal and economic ramifications of this decision. The U.S. military’s unprecedented kinetic strike against a suspected narco-terrorist vessel in the Caribbean and the implications of this escalation in the war on drugs, including the deployment of fighter jets to Puerto Rico and the legal authority behind targeting drug traffickers with lethal force. They explore how the designation of cartels as terrorist organizations changes the rules of engagement and could reshape U.S. counter-narcotics strategy. Clay and Buck dive deep into the economics of the drug trade, emphasizing how cartels continue to profit despite increased seizures and enforcement. They argue that the risk-reward calculus for drug mules and smugglers may shift dramatically in light of the new military tactics. Clay urges parents and grandparents to talk to their kids about the dangers of fentanyl-laced party drugs, highlighting the growing number of accidental poisonings among young Americans. Dr. Nicole Saphier, of Fox News and the C&B Podcast Network’s “Wellness Unmasked,” unpacks two of the most explosive health policy stories in America: RFK Jr.’s controversial Senate testimony and Florida’s bold move to repeal school vaccine mandates.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts Now, you've got.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hiring stalled US economy out of twenty two thousand jobs
in August, a little bit of a summer slow down,
but no big deal. Don't panic. It's all gonna be fine.
No pannikins, Clay allowed. We have a no Pannikins policy.
I might have to get a no panicins sign whenever
we talk about the economy. You surely don't panic. Mister
Clay over there telling everybody when the market was getting
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shell ACKed earlier this year, don't don't run for the lifeboats,
stay on the icon of the seas or whatever your
preferred vessel is, and you'll be fine. So Clay, do
you do you see any I got something else we're
going to dive into in a second, but just your
quick reaction to jobs report. Where the economy is heading
right now, how it's all looking.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Jerome Powell was laid again and they're gonna cut rates
in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall in
the overall inflation rate to get to nine point one. Sorry,
one percent during Biden. And I think the biggest issue
that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe for
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lack of a better way to describe it, is people
are still angry because prices went up so fast under Biden.
I mean to me, that is a lot of people
are out there and they're saying, well, prices haven't come
back down, and I think the challenge is prices never
come back down.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up,
they are inflated, and the new normal becomes whatever those
prices are. The best you can do is try to
get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy.
But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every
time I go through a fast food restaurant drive through
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with my kids, Chick fil A is usually our preferred place.
The amount of money that it costs me makes me
shake my head. It doesn't feel right, and people have
sort of internal calculators in their head for what something
should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a
fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza, and all
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of it is wildly out of sorts with what it
should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed
up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect,
for lack of a better way of describing it, for
the massive run up and inflation that we saw, and
it's going to take years for people to recognize that
things start to feel normal again.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Does that make sense? And so I think that's going
to be going on.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Even if what you say, and I think what you
say on this is correct, even if it's economically true,
it can still be politically a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It is Trump's economy now, so the Democrats are going
to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden.
It's like blaming the like Republicans are good blame when
the debts thirty seven trillion dollars, but when it was
thirty six point five trillion, Democrats had no problem.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I mean, there's gonna be some of that gamesmanship going
on here. But bottom line is, I think the economy
is still very strong, going to better places, and I
am I am optimistic. Although I will say we didn't
discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or rather
the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariff's Trump
team had an appeals decision that went against them, and
now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may be
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undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority.
That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know
what that's gonna do. But this is in the are
we really we really want to see what happens if
almost a trillion dollars in collected money? What are we
going to give it back to these countries?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's crazy. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
A kinetic strike on a suspected NARCO vessel ARCO terrorist
vessel making its way through the Caribbean to some transshipment
point to bring most likely fentanyl but could be cocaine, fentanyl,
a whole bunch of different things on that boat into
the United States. And Pete Hegseth, who's a Secretary of
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Defense and whom Clay and I know personally pretty well.
He spoke about this because there is Look, there's just
some facts that to be aware of it. This is
an escalation. We've never done this before. This is so
it is new. This is not business as usual in
fighting that cartels We've never been in a position where
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we've used an immediate lethal force on a non immediate
cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat. Here
is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this or
inspecific about this, this situation Plate twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Legal authority did the not in both two strike fat.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Boat full of drugs not this. We have the absolute
and complete authority to conduct that. First of all, just
the defense of the American people alone. One hundred thousand
Americans were killed each year under the previous administration because
of an open border and an open drug traffic flow.
That is an assault on the American people. I said,
we smoked the drug boat, and there's eleven narco terrace
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at the bottom of the ocean, and when other people
try to do that, they're going to beat the same faith.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
What do you make of it, Clay?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think the question is how do we solve the
issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular,
but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country.
The drug war has failed. I think most of you
out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I
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was younger, and I think you were in this camp.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
My inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,
we should spend less money fighting against it. But these
drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people
otherwise of good health are dying from them that I
don't think we can allow it into our country. One
hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties,
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people with decades of healthy life to go are dying
from these drugs. So what do we have to change.
We need a game changing element to truly alter things,
because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Securing the southern border is a huge part of this.
We have now done that, it appears there still is
a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I
talked about reading a big story from the New York
Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when
it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean, they have submarines,
submarines for a long time to clay, they're using drones,
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and they've been using drones at the border for surveillance
of our border patrol and and even sometimes to do
dropsy and part of the problem. And you know, I
used to going back a long time ago, I used
to occasionally spend some time with the NYPD CO located
with DEA, and we'd obviously, when you're sitting with DEA, guys,
what are you talk to them about drug cartel stuff?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
You know, they were there just in case we needed
them as a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But
the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of
the cartels was was extremely high. And one of the
problems you have is even as seizures go up, so
as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a
supply and demand curve, so price street price can go up.
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So you have to, you know, keep in mind that
if you were to if we were to get one
and or if we were to get rather three out
of four drug loads and and take them out of circulation,
it's still probably be very profitable for the car tell
us to do what they're doing. That's the problem is
that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean,
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you brought this up in the context of if somebody
thinks that they can feed their family for a year,
are they going to are there going to be people
willing to risk twenty years in prison to bring a
few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast boat,
or you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be. The answer
is yes. And for the cartels, even if there are
seizures of cartel product, they can still make a whole
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lot of money if we were to double the level
of seizures. So this is the challenge in trying to
stop this stuff. There's a lot of money to be
made in this black market for drugs, which obviously is
killing a lot of Americans.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, I think the question I have and I don't
know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one
to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that
is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple
to stop, by the way, so this was not completely
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without some sort of provocation.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's
important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there
have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets
to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that
hasn't been confirmed i think, by the administration yet, but
that's what the report that I saw on Reuters. Is
so the four they're now moving and four deploying more
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assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So to your point, we better really.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Be clear on is this something we have a constitutional
The president has a constitutional and legal authority, I mean
those are one of the same, but legal authority to
do uh. And what will the effects beyond on the
war on drugs? I will say this, people say the
war on drugs is filled. This does change the calculation.
I think you pointed this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
This is my point.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, this is a different It's a different thing to
face getting blown up with a hell fire missile or
whatever it is. My wife is pointing out also that
we have, according to her, and she's kind of an
expert on this, uh from her law training. She says,
this is the first time that we have officially designated
terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization, which
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changes the rules of engagement.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now I'm quoting her.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, she's correct, and this is when we remember. I
think we talked to very high level intel sources in
this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately,
when he showed up in flip flops of.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
The White House.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
They had to turn him away, But I just want
to get this legend started at Clay was just like, yo, dude,
I'm here for the I'm here for the high level intel.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
We still don't have a real ID and they would
not allow me in to meet with the directors of Intelligence.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
We're going to go back to the White House probably
like in the next few months.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Can you please get a real ID?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
All right, I don't have to tell everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm going to have to tattle tale on you to
everybody again, get a real ID, Clay.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on
the air for four hours every day. It's not that
easy to just in the middle part of the day
go get a real ID. I have a passport. But
my thing here, in addition to all of this is
does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug
smuggler in America is going to see that video, and
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I think I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze
risk reward in everything that we do all day long,
and one risk, clearly of being a drug mule is
you get caught and you go to prison and you
potentially have to serve time.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Can I ask you an honest question? And I don't
because I can't put myself in the in the mindset
of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever
you want to call them. Does spending twenty five years
in a US federal prison seem worse to them than
maybe just getting blown up and getting all done at once.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm being you know, I don't know that that could
go either.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I think for some people, yeah, I think it's a
valid question. I think life risk is different. So I
don't know, first of all, none of them unless you're
a drug mule listening right now and you want to
call in and tell us the drug mule thought process.
As a rational person, my analysis of people who are
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drug smugglers is they see it as a way to
make relatively short period of time, life changing money for
both them and their family. And if you are required
to risk time in prison, you at least know that
at some point in time you can return to your family.
I bet the cartels. I don't know this, but I
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bet the cartels give good payouts even if you get arrested.
I bet they go back and take care of your
family to try to encourage people to continue to take
care of this risk.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This is my depends on what I think. If you're
a mule, maybe not.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But if you're somebody, if you're like a sacario, you know,
as somebody that's done really nasty offer, tells they made.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You some of that. Leclay.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I also think that this is what I was going
to say about the Intel meetings and just the discussions
that were going on in the White House. We have
an incredibly and I saw this up firsthand, we have
an incredibly sophisticated counter terrorism and by that I just
to get more specific. Our ability to track, surveil, and
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blow up al Qaeda style jihattis all over the world
is pretty pretty incredible. It has gotten to a point
where the ability to hit hvts in Yemen, in Somalia,
in Pakistani tribal areas, and you name it is and
there's a whole chain of events that lead up to it, right,
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I mean, you know, finding these people, surveiling these people,
the target said, having the whether it's drones or whatever
it is we're sending in after them. It looks like
this administration is gearing up to use that very sophisticated
counter terrorism infrastructure and strike capability against the cartels who
are now designated as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly
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points out, and that is a whole new level of
something for the cartels to be considering.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my
ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now,
your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your
worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at
you and decide to kill you, which is why you
do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that
your boat may get blown up. And so every narco
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terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,
and I think it's going to set off alarm belt.
Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug
trade exists is because there's lots of money to be
made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to
incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the
biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost
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of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds
the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is
ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even
if we disagree with the choices that they're making.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I would also point out that in discussions that I
had with members of border patrol in years past, and
particularly under the Biden Free for All open Border years Clay,
the cartels at one point or at a certain phase
of this, when the border was just wide open with
the ten million coming in, were making more they estimated
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on human smuggling than on drug smuggling.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So that means.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on effectively
controlling their side of the border. The platza, right, they
break these up into territories and you have to pay.
And that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel
wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you
don't have that risk band, I mean, they'll pull you
side and execute you, right, I mean, you know though,
the terrible things to you. So you've got to have
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that wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is
shut down that income stream. They're not coming into the
country anymore that way, which means that now they have
a greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking,
which is made substantially harder as well because the resources
that we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border,
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i e. Taking in illegals making sure they're not you know,
dying of some disease or something like that. Now that's
all focused on the So they have a higher need
to make money off the drug trade, and we have
a greater focus and resource on the drug trade.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So you know, this is a very.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Different situation than it was even eighteen months ago in
terms of what the cartels are facing and if we
ramp up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them,
this this isn't this is a new phase. That's all like,
this is a we have not seen something like this
in a long time.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Let me also, I'm going to say this, every time
we have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk
to your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without
even understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can
think that they're taking a party drug. They can think
especially go off to college, you're often you're in your
twenties in a college town, you're in a big city,
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and you're off on your own. There are so many
kids that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying
of overdosing because they're not taking what they thought they
were taking. And you need to impress upon your kids
that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs and
the ones they think are party drugs, which are they're
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going to be fine from and they're just going to
have a great time. It's ecstasy ish, or it's cocaine,
or it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.
They need to understand that there is a huge risk.
And I but this is a sign of how.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Crazy it is.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
People who are huge party drug people are now using
strips to check and see before they take their party drugs,
whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't think there's a
ton of college kids doing this. I don't think that
that's a die hard party drug person who's doing that testing.
But there are people basically dying of poisoning, tens of
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thousands of them every single year. Your kids need to
know about this.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We bring in our friend doctor Nicole Sapphire, part of
the Clay and Buck podcast network. You can also see
her regularly on Fox News. She does fantastic work across
the media spectrum and doctor Sapphire. We will start with
the fireworks that have just come. As Senator, sorry, Senator
as Robert Kennedy was testifying in front of many different
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senators out there about what exactly is going on as
it pertains to rules on COVID shots and rules on
vaccines in general and science and everything else. What did
you take away from that testimony and how would you
assess what is going on right now from a health
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care perspective.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah,
I'll tell you I tried to live stream as much
as that Senate Finance Community Committee with RFK Junior as
I could. I'm in the hospital myself, so in between patients.
But you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There
were name calling, there were yelling, there's eye rolling. I mean,
people were frustrated. But here's what I find, as a
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lay person but also someone in the medical community, what
I find frustrating watching here. This was all about people
just trying to get talking points out for media headlines.
This was not a conversation. This is not for the
greater good. Of America what happens in these committee hearings,
and that is what I find the most frustrating. I
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think RFK Junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he had made
some really strong points. I think some of the senators
made some really strong points, and ultimately I think that
there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all.
And unfortunately for me looking at this from the outside in,
you know, throughout all of COVID, we became a very
fractured society, and all of a sudden, we have weaponized
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public health, we have politicized it. And I was all
I'm looking for is what are we going to do
to bring the country together, to try and get politics
out of public health out of our healthcare system as
best we can, I mean you never will be able
to completely, but the best we can. And how are
we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some
of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to
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unifying the nation as we were four years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Well, I want to have you react here to an
exchange doctor stapfire between RFK Junior and Senator Widen. It's
about forty seconds long as it's cut eighteen hit it.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets
about anything you've done, our plans to change it. And
my last comment is I hope that you will tell
the American people how many preventable child deaths are an
acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is
fundamentally cruel and defies common sense.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Senator, you've sent in that chair for how long, twenty
twenty five years? Well, the chronic disease and our children
went up to seventy six percent, and you said nothing.
You never asked the question why it's happened. Why is
this happening today for the first time in twenty years?
But you're going to learn that infant mortality has increased
in our country. It is not because I came in here,
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is because of what happened during the Biden administration that
we're going to end.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
How much Doctor Sapphire of the apparent animosity that these
Democrat senators showed toward RFK Junior is because he's RFK
junior and they don't like what he has stood for
in the past, or just because he happened to be
Trump's HHS guy.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Yeah, So that's a great question. And first of all.
That was one of RFK Junior's strongest messages in my
opinion during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and
He's like, it turned to crap under you guys, you've
been in office for decades, sitting on this committee, and
this is the first time we're having these conversations about
making people healthier again. So I thought that was rather cheeky,
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but also very poignant. You know, Senator Widen came out
saying that he is going to be releasing a report today.
He asked to put it into evidence that supposedly will
show the damage to healthcare of the American people done
under RFK Junior, highlighting chaos, corruption, and higher health care costs.
And yet he said these things, but we did not
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see that report or the data. So again, Widen, I thought,
was trying to get some of those talking points at
the end of the day. And this is something I've
said now, you know for the last several weeks that
I get some criticism on, is that we already know
Trump derangement syndrome is real. I mean, one of these
days it'll be a diagnosable condition. That is a medical doctor,
I can code it and it'll be a true diagnosis.
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But the RFK derangement syndrome is real as well, and
so for me, maybe he is not the perfect messenger
to be out in front of the camera talking about
the work that they're doing behind the scenes. He is
bringing a ton of insight and a ton of innovation
and a whole new thought process to the HHS. They're
finally starting to look at root causes of chronic illness.
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They're trying to make a systems more efficient. These are
all great things, but the moment he steps in front
of the camera or gets behind the microphone, half of
the country is turning it off, just like they always
do with President Trump. And so when it comes to
public health, it would be great for me if there
was another spokesperson who actually came out to deliver that message,
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because as you see, if you look at social media
right now, people are just making fun of Secretary Kennedy.
They're making fun the fact that he was breathing heavily
into the microphone, forget the fact that he has a
neurological condition. And what they're doing actually is grossly inappropriate
by making fun of someone, but they don't like him,
and that's the bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Line, doctor Staffar, I think the biggest issue that we
face as a country as it pertains to public health
is in the wake of COVID, many people, myself included,
have lost all faith in public health so called experts.
To give us the best possible advice, what would your
advice be to try to cure what I believe is
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the biggest issue in America today, which is just lack
of trust in the wake of what happened with COVID.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not
going to be a one size fits all answer to that.
But part of that is going to be getting people
that are well respected on both sides of the aisle
into the HHS into the CDC. We undermine trust when
we right now. What we're dealing with right now, and
you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines the CDC.
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We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only
are parents questioning the COVID vaccines because the CVC leveled
down on the mandates long after science changed. The reality
is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really
questioning public health in general. And so we have to
take a big step back and what was settled science
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for the last several decades. If people truly believe that
it's still settled science and the data is there to
support it, then you need to show the data because
just saying well, this is what's the right thing to do,
it doesn't work anymore. We can't have that paternalistic attitude
when we're talking to the American people, because the American
people are educated, they want to make informed decisions. And
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when you have this digital era where all of a sudden,
they're realizing that the truth is at their fingertips and
it's not necessarily just from the mouthpieces that they're seeing
from the CDC or whatnot. You have to make sure
that you are being very nuanced in the recommendations for
public health. Part of that is going to be right now.
RFT Junior is having to put together the Vaccine Advisory
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Committee got rid of all the original members because he
said that they were essentially all part of the industry
standard and it was time for them to go. And
while I may not disagree with a lot of them
needing to go, you know, he's kind of swinging that
pendulum far the other way by putting all new members
on that are part of his inner circle and his
inner thinking. We have to make sure that we have
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full dialogue and debate on these committees, so we can't
just go from one inner circle to the next. We
need to start building these institutions that are with people
who are going to last much longer than just an administration.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Are there just.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Way too many vaccines doctor Sapphire in your opinion in
the suggested schedule for children? I think the number we
had doctor McCarey on and he said it was something
like seventy or something along those lines over the course
of Now I know that some of those are multiple
shots and they're given over years. That does seem like
that just seems like a lot of shots.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Sure, So in my humble opinion, I think that we
need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's
happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away
with all vaccine mandates, That's a completely different conversation. What
I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandates or recalling
man or getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's
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reevaluate what we're even recommending can we change the timeline,
does every single child need all of these vaccines, because
the reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping
them together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine
the one with measles that provides decades of protection, while
the protessis one that immunity wanes within months. And the
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public health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're
undermining trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same,
and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change
the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of
vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual
child or the community. But it just means you have
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to open up that conversation, and you have to be
willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a
lot of people who have they're head in the stand
right now with that vacuum thought mentality of well, if
you start changing it now, you're going to change the
whole thing, and that's going to creep in vaccine hesitancy.
But if you don't acknowledge the people's concerns and you
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don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal. You're actually promoting
vaccine hesitency more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
How can people find your podcast and dive in if
they haven't already? Doctor Sapphire, Well, thanks.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
To you, guys. Wellness on Mask with doctor Nicole Saftfire
is part of the Clay and Buck family. We have
a weekly rundown every Friday at ten am with about
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We're going to go all through the hearing tomorrow and
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Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to
ask you this as well, so I encourage you to
go follow doctor Staffhire, the.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Clay in Buck podcast Network. Well on this unmasked Doctor Sapphire,
tremendous collection of talent there. What's the worst date you've
ever been on?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Doctor? Because Buck brought up The English Patient, I realized
that I went on a high school date to watch
that movie, which was not a great movie to go
on as a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller
on do you recall the worst date that you've ever
been on in your life? Is there one that stands out?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I think the worst date I've ever been on my
life was my first kind of date, or not even
a date, but when I met my husband, because we
actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference.
I was drinking hot tea and this guy comes up
to me and he starts He's thinking that my tea
is spiked, and the whole time he just cannot believe
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that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in a
wine bar. And it was very awkward and very uncomfortable,
and twenty years later were married with kids.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Wait, how did he how did he make the transition?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like how do yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Like how'd he go from like, hey, like I think
something's been spiked in your tea to I'd like your
phone number.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time.
It took about two years for us to actually go
on a date. But the man was persistent, and I'll
tell you persistence pays off.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I had a very wise man tell me for many
years persistence is the key in all things. So there
you go, Doctor Sapphire, Thank you so much. Guys, go
check out Wellness on mass on the Clay and Buck
podcast podcast network.
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Making the American Farm Strong Again.
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Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts Now, you've got.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hiring stalled US economy out of twenty two thousand jobs
in August, a little bit of a summer slow down,
but no big deal. Don't panic. It's all gonna be fine.
No pannikins, Clay allowed. We have a no Pannikins policy.
I might have to get a no panicins sign whenever
we talk about the economy. You surely don't panic. Mister
Clay over there telling everybody when the market was getting
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shell ACKed earlier this year, don't don't run for the lifeboats,
stay on the icon of the seas or whatever your
preferred vessel is, and you'll be fine. So Clay, do
you do you see any I got something else we're
going to dive into in a second, but just your
quick reaction to jobs report. Where the economy is heading
right now, how it's all looking.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Jerome Powell was laid again and they're gonna cut rates
in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall in
the overall inflation rate to get to nine point one. Sorry,
one percent during Biden. And I think the biggest issue
that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe for
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lack of a better way to describe it, is people
are still angry because prices went up so fast under Biden.
I mean to me, that is a lot of people
are out there and they're saying, well, prices haven't come
back down, and I think the challenge is prices never
come back down.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up,
they are inflated, and the new normal becomes whatever those
prices are. The best you can do is try to
get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy.
But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every
time I go through a fast food restaurant drive through
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with my kids, Chick fil A is usually our preferred place.
The amount of money that it costs me makes me
shake my head. It doesn't feel right, and people have
sort of internal calculators in their head for what something
should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a
fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza, and all
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of it is wildly out of sorts with what it
should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed
up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect,
for lack of a better way of describing it, for
the massive run up and inflation that we saw, and
it's going to take years for people to recognize that
things start to feel normal again.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Does that make sense? And so I think that's going
to be going on.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Even if what you say, and I think what you
say on this is correct, even if it's economically true,
it can still be politically a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It is Trump's economy now, so the Democrats are going
to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden.
It's like blaming the like Republicans are good blame when
the debts thirty seven trillion dollars, but when it was
thirty six point five trillion, Democrats had no problem.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I mean, there's gonna be some of that gamesmanship going
on here. But bottom line is, I think the economy
is still very strong, going to better places, and I
am I am optimistic. Although I will say we didn't
discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or rather
the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariff's Trump
team had an appeals decision that went against them, and
now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may be
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undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority.
That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know
what that's gonna do. But this is in the are
we really we really want to see what happens if
almost a trillion dollars in collected money? What are we
going to give it back to these countries?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's crazy. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
A kinetic strike on a suspected NARCO vessel ARCO terrorist
vessel making its way through the Caribbean to some transshipment
point to bring most likely fentanyl but could be cocaine, fentanyl,
a whole bunch of different things on that boat into
the United States. And Pete Hegseth, who's a Secretary of
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Defense and whom Clay and I know personally pretty well.
He spoke about this because there is Look, there's just
some facts that to be aware of it. This is
an escalation. We've never done this before. This is so
it is new. This is not business as usual in
fighting that cartels We've never been in a position where
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we've used an immediate lethal force on a non immediate
cartel or non immediate you know, drug trafficking threat. Here
is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this or
inspecific about this, this situation Plate twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Legal authority did the not in both two strike fat.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Boat full of drugs not this. We have the absolute
and complete authority to conduct that. First of all, just
the defense of the American people alone. One hundred thousand
Americans were killed each year under the previous administration because
of an open border and an open drug traffic flow.
That is an assault on the American people. I said,
we smoked the drug boat, and there's eleven narco terrace
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at the bottom of the ocean, and when other people
try to do that, they're going to beat the same faith.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
What do you make of it, Clay?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think the question is how do we solve the
issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular,
but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country.
The drug war has failed. I think most of you
out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I
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was younger, and I think you were in this camp.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
My inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,
we should spend less money fighting against it. But these
drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people
otherwise of good health are dying from them that I
don't think we can allow it into our country. One
hundred thousand people a year, again overwhelmingly in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties,
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people with decades of healthy life to go are dying
from these drugs. So what do we have to change.
We need a game changing element to truly alter things,
because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Securing the southern border is a huge part of this.
We have now done that, it appears there still is
a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I
talked about reading a big story from the New York
Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when
it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean, they have submarines,
submarines for a long time to clay, they're using drones,
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and they've been using drones at the border for surveillance
of our border patrol and and even sometimes to do
dropsy and part of the problem. And you know, I
used to going back a long time ago, I used
to occasionally spend some time with the NYPD CO located
with DEA, and we'd obviously, when you're sitting with DEA, guys,
what are you talk to them about drug cartel stuff?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
You know, they were there just in case we needed
them as a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But
the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of
the cartels was was extremely high. And one of the
problems you have is even as seizures go up, so
as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a
supply and demand curve, so price street price can go up.
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So you have to, you know, keep in mind that
if you were to if we were to get one
and or if we were to get rather three out
of four drug loads and and take them out of circulation,
it's still probably be very profitable for the car tell
us to do what they're doing. That's the problem is
that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean,
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you brought this up in the context of if somebody
thinks that they can feed their family for a year,
are they going to are there going to be people
willing to risk twenty years in prison to bring a
few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast boat,
or you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be. The answer
is yes. And for the cartels, even if there are
seizures of cartel product, they can still make a whole
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lot of money if we were to double the level
of seizures. So this is the challenge in trying to
stop this stuff. There's a lot of money to be
made in this black market for drugs, which obviously is
killing a lot of Americans.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, I think the question I have and I don't
know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one
to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that
is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple
to stop, by the way, so this was not completely
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without some sort of provocation.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's
important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there
have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets
to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that
hasn't been confirmed i think, by the administration yet, but
that's what the report that I saw on Reuters. Is
so the four they're now moving and four deploying more
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assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So to your point, we better really.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Be clear on is this something we have a constitutional
The president has a constitutional and legal authority, I mean
those are one of the same, but legal authority to
do uh. And what will the effects beyond on the
war on drugs? I will say this, people say the
war on drugs is filled. This does change the calculation.
I think you pointed this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
This is my point.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, this is a different It's a different thing to
face getting blown up with a hell fire missile or
whatever it is. My wife is pointing out also that
we have, according to her, and she's kind of an
expert on this, uh from her law training. She says,
this is the first time that we have officially designated
terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization, which
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changes the rules of engagement.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Now I'm quoting her.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, she's correct, and this is when we remember. I
think we talked to very high level intel sources in
this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately,
when he showed up in flip flops of.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
The White House.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
They had to turn him away, But I just want
to get this legend started at Clay was just like, yo, dude,
I'm here for the I'm here for the high level intel.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
We still don't have a real ID and they would
not allow me in to meet with the directors of Intelligence.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
We're going to go back to the White House probably
like in the next few months.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Can you please get a real ID?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
All right, I don't have to tell everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm going to have to tattle tale on you to
everybody again, get a real ID, Clay.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on
the air for four hours every day. It's not that
easy to just in the middle part of the day
go get a real ID. I have a passport. But
my thing here, in addition to all of this is
does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug
smuggler in America is going to see that video, and
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I think I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze
risk reward in everything that we do all day long,
and one risk, clearly of being a drug mule is
you get caught and you go to prison and you
potentially have to serve time.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Can I ask you an honest question? And I don't
because I can't put myself in the in the mindset
of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever
you want to call them. Does spending twenty five years
in a US federal prison seem worse to them than
maybe just getting blown up and getting all done at once.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm being you know, I don't know that that could
go either.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I think for some people, yeah, I think it's a
valid question. I think life risk is different. So I
don't know, first of all, none of them unless you're
a drug mule listening right now and you want to
call in and tell us the drug mule thought process.
As a rational person, my analysis of people who are
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drug smugglers is they see it as a way to
make relatively short period of time, life changing money for
both them and their family. And if you are required
to risk time in prison, you at least know that
at some point in time you can return to your family.
I bet the cartels. I don't know this, but I
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bet the cartels give good payouts even if you get arrested.
I bet they go back and take care of your
family to try to encourage people to continue to take
care of this risk.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This is my depends on what I think. If you're
a mule, maybe not.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But if you're somebody, if you're like a sacario, you know,
as somebody that's done really nasty offer, tells they made.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You some of that. Leclay.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I also think that this is what I was going
to say about the Intel meetings and just the discussions
that were going on in the White House. We have
an incredibly and I saw this up firsthand, we have
an incredibly sophisticated counter terrorism and by that I just
to get more specific. Our ability to track, surveil, and
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blow up al Qaeda style jihattis all over the world
is pretty pretty incredible. It has gotten to a point
where the ability to hit hvts in Yemen, in Somalia,
in Pakistani tribal areas, and you name it is and
there's a whole chain of events that lead up to it, right,
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I mean, you know, finding these people, surveiling these people,
the target said, having the whether it's drones or whatever
it is we're sending in after them. It looks like
this administration is gearing up to use that very sophisticated
counter terrorism infrastructure and strike capability against the cartels who
are now designated as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly
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points out, and that is a whole new level of
something for the cartels to be considering.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my
ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now,
your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your
worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at
you and decide to kill you, which is why you
do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that
your boat may get blown up. And so every narco
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terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,
and I think it's going to set off alarm belt.
Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug
trade exists is because there's lots of money to be
made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to
incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the
biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost
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of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds
the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is
ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even
if we disagree with the choices that they're making.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I would also point out that in discussions that I
had with members of border patrol in years past, and
particularly under the Biden Free for All open Border years Clay,
the cartels at one point or at a certain phase
of this, when the border was just wide open with
the ten million coming in, were making more they estimated
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on human smuggling than on drug smuggling.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So that means.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on effectively
controlling their side of the border. The platza, right, they
break these up into territories and you have to pay.
And that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel
wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you
don't have that risk band, I mean, they'll pull you
side and execute you, right, I mean, you know though,
the terrible things to you. So you've got to have
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that wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is
shut down that income stream. They're not coming into the
country anymore that way, which means that now they have
a greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking,
which is made substantially harder as well because the resources
that we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border,
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i e. Taking in illegals making sure they're not you know,
dying of some disease or something like that. Now that's
all focused on the So they have a higher need
to make money off the drug trade, and we have
a greater focus and resource on the drug trade.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So you know, this is a very.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Different situation than it was even eighteen months ago in
terms of what the cartels are facing and if we
ramp up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them,
this this isn't this is a new phase. That's all like,
this is a we have not seen something like this
in a long time.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Let me also, I'm going to say this, every time
we have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk
to your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without
even understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can
think that they're taking a party drug. They can think
especially go off to college, you're often you're in your
twenties in a college town, you're in a big city,
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and you're off on your own. There are so many
kids that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying
of overdosing because they're not taking what they thought they
were taking. And you need to impress upon your kids
that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs and
the ones they think are party drugs, which are they're
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going to be fine from and they're just going to
have a great time. It's ecstasy ish, or it's cocaine,
or it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.
They need to understand that there is a huge risk.
And I but this is a sign of how.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Crazy it is.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
People who are huge party drug people are now using
strips to check and see before they take their party drugs,
whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't think there's a
ton of college kids doing this. I don't think that
that's a die hard party drug person who's doing that testing.
But there are people basically dying of poisoning, tens of
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thousands of them every single year. Your kids need to
know about this.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We bring in our friend doctor Nicole Sapphire, part of
the Clay and Buck podcast network. You can also see
her regularly on Fox News. She does fantastic work across
the media spectrum and doctor Sapphire. We will start with
the fireworks that have just come. As Senator, sorry, Senator
as Robert Kennedy was testifying in front of many different
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senators out there about what exactly is going on as
it pertains to rules on COVID shots and rules on
vaccines in general and science and everything else. What did
you take away from that testimony and how would you
assess what is going on right now from a health
(19:08):
care perspective.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah,
I'll tell you I tried to live stream as much
as that Senate Finance Community Committee with RFK Junior as
I could. I'm in the hospital myself, so in between patients.
But you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There
were name calling, there were yelling, there's eye rolling. I mean,
people were frustrated. But here's what I find, as a
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lay person but also someone in the medical community, what
I find frustrating watching here. This was all about people
just trying to get talking points out for media headlines.
This was not a conversation. This is not for the
greater good. Of America what happens in these committee hearings,
and that is what I find the most frustrating. I
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think RFK Junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he had made
some really strong points. I think some of the senators
made some really strong points, and ultimately I think that
there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all.
And unfortunately for me looking at this from the outside in,
you know, throughout all of COVID, we became a very
fractured society, and all of a sudden, we have weaponized
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public health, we have politicized it. And I was all
I'm looking for is what are we going to do
to bring the country together, to try and get politics
out of public health out of our healthcare system as
best we can, I mean you never will be able
to completely, but the best we can. And how are
we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some
of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to
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unifying the nation as we were four years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Well, I want to have you react here to an
exchange doctor stapfire between RFK Junior and Senator Widen. It's
about forty seconds long as it's cut eighteen hit it.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets
about anything you've done, our plans to change it. And
my last comment is I hope that you will tell
the American people how many preventable child deaths are an
acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is
fundamentally cruel and defies common sense.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Senator, you've sent in that chair for how long, twenty
twenty five years? Well, the chronic disease and our children
went up to seventy six percent, and you said nothing.
You never asked the question why it's happened. Why is
this happening today for the first time in twenty years?
But you're going to learn that infant mortality has increased
in our country. It is not because I came in here,
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is because of what happened during the Biden administration that
we're going to end.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
How much Doctor Sapphire of the apparent animosity that these
Democrat senators showed toward RFK Junior is because he's RFK
junior and they don't like what he has stood for
in the past, or just because he happened to be
Trump's HHS guy.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Yeah, So that's a great question. And first of all.
That was one of RFK Junior's strongest messages in my
opinion during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and
He's like, it turned to crap under you guys, you've
been in office for decades, sitting on this committee, and
this is the first time we're having these conversations about
making people healthier again. So I thought that was rather cheeky,
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but also very poignant. You know, Senator Widen came out
saying that he is going to be releasing a report today.
He asked to put it into evidence that supposedly will
show the damage to healthcare of the American people done
under RFK Junior, highlighting chaos, corruption, and higher health care costs.
And yet he said these things, but we did not
(22:34):
see that report or the data. So again, Widen, I thought,
was trying to get some of those talking points at
the end of the day. And this is something I've
said now, you know for the last several weeks that
I get some criticism on, is that we already know
Trump derangement syndrome is real. I mean, one of these
days it'll be a diagnosable condition. That is a medical doctor,
I can code it and it'll be a true diagnosis.
(22:57):
But the RFK derangement syndrome is real as well, and
so for me, maybe he is not the perfect messenger
to be out in front of the camera talking about
the work that they're doing behind the scenes. He is
bringing a ton of insight and a ton of innovation
and a whole new thought process to the HHS. They're
finally starting to look at root causes of chronic illness.
(23:18):
They're trying to make a systems more efficient. These are
all great things, but the moment he steps in front
of the camera or gets behind the microphone, half of
the country is turning it off, just like they always
do with President Trump. And so when it comes to
public health, it would be great for me if there
was another spokesperson who actually came out to deliver that message,
(23:38):
because as you see, if you look at social media
right now, people are just making fun of Secretary Kennedy.
They're making fun the fact that he was breathing heavily
into the microphone, forget the fact that he has a
neurological condition. And what they're doing actually is grossly inappropriate
by making fun of someone, but they don't like him,
and that's the bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Line, doctor Staffar, I think the biggest issue that we
face as a country as it pertains to public health
is in the wake of COVID, many people, myself included,
have lost all faith in public health so called experts.
To give us the best possible advice, what would your
advice be to try to cure what I believe is
(24:20):
the biggest issue in America today, which is just lack
of trust in the wake of what happened with COVID.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not
going to be a one size fits all answer to that.
But part of that is going to be getting people
that are well respected on both sides of the aisle
into the HHS into the CDC. We undermine trust when
we right now. What we're dealing with right now, and
you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines the CDC.
(24:54):
We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only
are parents questioning the COVID vaccines because the CVC leveled
down on the mandates long after science changed. The reality
is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really
questioning public health in general. And so we have to
take a big step back and what was settled science
(25:14):
for the last several decades. If people truly believe that
it's still settled science and the data is there to
support it, then you need to show the data because
just saying well, this is what's the right thing to do,
it doesn't work anymore. We can't have that paternalistic attitude
when we're talking to the American people, because the American
people are educated, they want to make informed decisions. And
(25:37):
when you have this digital era where all of a sudden,
they're realizing that the truth is at their fingertips and
it's not necessarily just from the mouthpieces that they're seeing
from the CDC or whatnot. You have to make sure
that you are being very nuanced in the recommendations for
public health. Part of that is going to be right now.
RFT Junior is having to put together the Vaccine Advisory
(25:58):
Committee got rid of all the original members because he
said that they were essentially all part of the industry
standard and it was time for them to go. And
while I may not disagree with a lot of them
needing to go, you know, he's kind of swinging that
pendulum far the other way by putting all new members
on that are part of his inner circle and his
inner thinking. We have to make sure that we have
(26:21):
full dialogue and debate on these committees, so we can't
just go from one inner circle to the next. We
need to start building these institutions that are with people
who are going to last much longer than just an administration.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Are there just.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Way too many vaccines doctor Sapphire in your opinion in
the suggested schedule for children? I think the number we
had doctor McCarey on and he said it was something
like seventy or something along those lines over the course
of Now I know that some of those are multiple
shots and they're given over years. That does seem like
that just seems like a lot of shots.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Sure, So in my humble opinion, I think that we
need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's
happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away
with all vaccine mandates, That's a completely different conversation. What
I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandates or recalling
man or getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's
(27:16):
reevaluate what we're even recommending can we change the timeline,
does every single child need all of these vaccines, because
the reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping
them together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine
the one with measles that provides decades of protection, while
the protessis one that immunity wanes within months. And the
(27:39):
public health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're
undermining trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same,
and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change
the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of
vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual
child or the community. But it just means you have
(28:02):
to open up that conversation, and you have to be
willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a
lot of people who have they're head in the stand
right now with that vacuum thought mentality of well, if
you start changing it now, you're going to change the
whole thing, and that's going to creep in vaccine hesitancy.
But if you don't acknowledge the people's concerns and you
(28:22):
don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal. You're actually promoting
vaccine hesitency more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
How can people find your podcast and dive in if
they haven't already? Doctor Sapphire, Well, thanks.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
To you, guys. Wellness on Mask with doctor Nicole Saftfire
is part of the Clay and Buck family. We have
a weekly rundown every Friday at ten am with about
just five minutes of me telling you what happened that week.
We're going to go all through the hearing tomorrow and
then on Tuesdays, dropping at ten Wellness Unmask you have
a longer full episode next week. You will hear me
(28:57):
with Jennifer Gollardi. She's the senior policy the analyst for
restoring American Wellness at the Heritage Foundation. We talk all
things make America healthy again. We get into a little
bit of a healthy debate on some things, and I'll
tell you it's a great interview, so please make sure
to catch it out. I'm also on x, Instagram and
Fox News.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to
ask you this as well, so I encourage you to
go follow doctor Staffhire, the.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Clay in Buck podcast Network. Well on this unmasked Doctor Sapphire,
tremendous collection of talent there. What's the worst date you've
ever been on?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Doctor? Because Buck brought up The English Patient, I realized
that I went on a high school date to watch
that movie, which was not a great movie to go
on as a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller
on do you recall the worst date that you've ever
been on in your life? Is there one that stands out?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I think the worst date I've ever been on my
life was my first kind of date, or not even
a date, but when I met my husband, because we
actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference.
I was drinking hot tea and this guy comes up
to me and he starts He's thinking that my tea
is spiked, and the whole time he just cannot believe
(30:10):
that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in a
wine bar. And it was very awkward and very uncomfortable,
and twenty years later were married with kids.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Wait, how did he how did he make the transition?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like how do yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Like how'd he go from like, hey, like I think
something's been spiked in your tea to I'd like your
phone number.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time.
It took about two years for us to actually go
on a date. But the man was persistent, and I'll
tell you persistence pays off.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I had a very wise man tell me for many
years persistence is the key in all things. So there
you go, Doctor Sapphire, Thank you so much. Guys, go
check out Wellness on mass on the Clay and Buck
podcast podcast network.
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