David Rutherford Show: "The 2020 Election Was Rigged" — A Prosecutor Explains How It Happened | David Clements - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The most significant story in US history, the elections of
twenty twenty. Today, I have Professor David Clements on the
David Rutherford Show. One of my favorite things to do

(00:22):
with my show is to bring context to my audience,
to give them the full story. And as we move
into the twenty twenty six election cycle, I think the
full story needs to be broaden to go back and
include the intensity of what we saw in the fraudulent

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twenty twenty elections. Now, I understand that many of you
have a lot of things you've heard or seen that
you believe can discredit the information that the mountainous amount
of information that has been piled by many different sources
in many different ways. One recent is the book by

(01:07):
Ralph Pazzulo with Gary Burnston called Stolen Elections. There's other
information that Mike Lindell has brought forth. But until recently
I had been following one man in particular, mister David,
Professor David Clements, and he has been on the campaign
to try and bring this vast amount of information to

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the entire country. He's given over two hundred evidentiary presentations
in forty seven different states, and he does so in
a way that's consumable and digestible. So what I wanted
to do as we kick this off, because this will
become a major focus of this show for the foreseeable
future in order to prepare the American public for what

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they might and will not what they might what they
will face in future elections. So, without further ado, I'm
so honored to bring on award winning professor, criminal prosecutor
and my favorite, which is a gray haired punk rocker.
As a fellow punk rocker, I've got a Social Distortion
tattoo all down my side there. It is such an

(02:15):
honor to have you on, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Hey David, it's good to be with you. I love
Social Distortion. I'm glad to hear that. In fact, the
band that I played and we tried to get their
guitar tone, so Marshall Les Paul type guitars.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I got him on the wall.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, a little bit of that rockabilly with that undertone
kick to it, that West Coast punk rock a little bit. Yeah, Yeah,
that's awesome. Well, it's so glad to have you on.
The documentary that I was referencing is let my people Go,
and obviously just you didn't just go from being a

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professor in New Mexico to being one of the leading
advocates to bring awareness to the American public. So can
you really briefly explain how you got from that point
to where you started to realize, WHOA, I need to
look at what's taking place in the election system.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
The canalyst for me was I was a long time
prosecutor here on the border, so I lived about thirty
minutes north of Mexico. And you can't you just can't
do the types of cases that I did unless you're
very familiar with trafficking, whether it's human trafficking, drug trafficking,
and twenty twenty. You know, if you take out the

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drugs and just put in votes or ballots, it's vote trafficking.
And so it just streamed, you know, it's just a
I had a very clear vision of what was going on,
and I had run for office over a decade ago,
and when I ran, it was the introduction of dominion
in my home state. And I just remember being up

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in a US Senate race fourteen thousand votes against my opponent,
and the next time that the election night reporting came
up on the website, the votes flipped. Now it was
completely abstract to me. Then we call up the Secretary
of State's office what just happened, and like, oh, we
hadn't counted the mail in ballots yet, that's what accounted for.

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But I'm sitting there going, how can five minutes time
elapse and have a complete switch. The precision of it
always jarred me, but at the time I didn't have
any real skepticism. That's just I was kind of a
product of my environment and I just took them at
their word. But there were moments from that night until

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twenty twenty where I was always wrestling with this abstract
puzzle of like what the hell happened in my own race?
That I think prepared me for November three, you know,
Dominion all of a sudden took on new life, the
anomalies that everyone saw, And I think the thing that
really got my attention to the most was the censorship,

(05:15):
the fact that people were just shut down, which just
got my hackles up. So, you know, I had been
living a fairly benign life as a law professor and
enjoying my career. The stakes were low. The only thing
that I really had to worry about were kids, you know,
complaining about the grades that they got, and it was
such a refreshing change from doing murder cases and being

(05:37):
underpaid and underappreciated for the better part of my career.
But I felt like I was being called into a
fight where while there were professors that definitely had better
credentials that went to better schools, there was just a
vacuum of people willing to risk saying out loud what

(05:58):
they intuitively new. And so I guess after leaving that
environment of being a prosecutor, and I could kind of
see the change at the university setting from the standpoint
of like, if you want to see woke policies in
kind of the incubation stage, you go to the university.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
And that's where I was.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
So you could see all of the after effects of
critical theory or a critical race theory. You could see
what was going on with the you know, the push
to make sure you treat they them a certain way.
And I'm sitting there going, I don't think I want
to be a professor if I have to kind of
bow the knee and start using people's pronouns. And it

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was just it was hostile. And when the fix was
in on election night, you would have thought that demons
in my university were just shrieking with joy. I mean,
they were just I didn't really understand how much contempt
they had for Trump, but it was, it was loud,
and it was apparent, and I was kind of just

(07:03):
grieved because I always kept my politics to myself. I've
always been kind of a small l libertarian. I wasn't
a Trump guy in twenty sixteen. So it was one
of those things where I'm sitting there going, I think
number one, I got the man wrong. And I learned
that over the first term. By the time we were
about halfway through, I'm like, actually like this guy. I'm
when I vote for him, But in my environment, it's very,

(07:27):
very dangerous to voice that as a as a professor.
So everything kind of slowed down, and I started pushing
back in the university first and foremost, which put a
huge bullsye on my back. And then when January sixth happened,
I really had a supernatural encounter, is the best way

(07:49):
I can describe it. When our countrymen were protesting this
stolen election in Washington, d C. I was at my
cabin in Ridoso, New Mexico, and after Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney,
Kelly Loffler basically stabbed the country in the back. I
was so sickened that I thought that that was the

(08:11):
death of our country. There's something on a spiritual level
that that felt. The grieved me in a way that
I don't think I've ever felt. The closest thing I
can describe it is, while I didn't watch Game of Thrones,
I read the books and there's the Red wedding where
you're sitting there going, oh my gosh, the betrayal here
is just insane. I felt that second. And so I

(08:35):
go out in the woods and something happens. I won't
go into it, but it changes me. It rocks me,
like it's like the closest encounter that I had to
the presence of God, of a purpose and a callow
And so I come back and my wife is despondent
because she saw what I saw on the screen. And

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I ended up recording a response to my university president
who condemned all of the Trump supporters as trying to
pull off a coup, and I responded to them, and
I put up a video kind of like a giant
f U video. Because I started collecting all of these
clips and teeth for people that were there that were

(09:18):
bragging about their agitation. And as soon as you put
something out, the Internet would scrub the video. You can
find it. So I had like this library of a
ton of videos. I'm like, no, this is a false flag.
And I think I was really sensitive to it because
I had done a series of active shooter trainings as
a prosecutor. Every year you'd have to go into the

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courtroom and you'd have to, you know, have blockers and
rolls to simulate an event in the event that the
courthouse was attacked. And I'm sitting there going this is
like glorified active shooter training, and there's no way you
could have convinced me otherwise because of that experience. And
so I put out the video and at this point
I had I'm like an award win. This an award

(10:01):
winning that I've got one of the highest rated professors.
Even the liberal folks, they just assumed I was liberal
by the way I look. They come into my office,
they'd want legal advice. I mean, I'm fairly well liked.
And after I posted that video, forget it. It was over.
My career was effectively over, and the bullseye got even
bigger because I went on Tucker Carlson's show, right, and

(10:24):
in five minutes, everything that I had built up from
a career trajectory was over when I went on his show.
And so I knew my time was going to be
short lived because I've seen how these people play.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's just it's dirty.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And again I didn't want to do the zoom teaching either,
so part of me was like, I was so sickened
by the COVID mandates of walk this direction, go in
that door, but don't go in that door, that I'm like,
I didn't sign up for this. I mean, I had
a dream job of being a professor, but it wasn't
this version. And then the other thing that really impacted

(11:02):
me was I was a consumer protection expert, so the
COVID stuff, I would have been the biggest hypocrite on
planet Earth if I ignored all the things that were
going on with masking. And so yeah, you know, my
career as a professor was short lived. And then I
started interviewing kind of like in the old prosecution days.

(11:26):
I would have set up a case, I would have
done a proof analysis. I would have found witnesses and
interviewed them. I'm like, well, I'm not a public servant anymore,
but I can interview someone that submitted an affidavit, or
I can talk to an attorney and picked their brain.
So I quickly created kind of the probably the biggest
long form library in twenty twenty one of experts that

(11:50):
were either attorneys or did the technical work. And within
six months, you know, I was kind of sought after
because the views on some of these videos were like
seven hundred, eight hundred thousand years for nobody.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I wasn't even on social media.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And so there's like this part where kind of conservative
inc Is seeing my rise and they're trying to figure
out whether they can kind of break me in to
be a part of the club. And there's certain third
rails that you just can't touch. And so they liked
my story. They liked the fact that I'm conservative, they
liked that I was articulate, but they were really bothered

(12:30):
by any discussion of the voting machines. That was like
the thing that you just had to stay. It was unspoken.
And so I'm surviving and then I get to the
cyber symposium. The first one and which I look back now,
was a giant trap laid by operators to implode the

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movement right out the gates, but we survived it miraculously,
and so that was kind of my introduction to the
world from an election integrity standpoint. But as soon as
I left that stage bar complaints trying to strip me
of my license, the hit pieces started coming. And for

(13:15):
the next year or two kind of felt like a
man on an island because there are so many people
with bigger megaphones that I thought were heroes to the country,
and they ignored this issue. So I've been kind of
consumed with it. But to wrap up, we got a
happy ending in January of this year with a blanket
pardon for most of the January sixth protesters, which was huge.

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So I spend most of my time now when I'm
not putting out articles trying to fortify our elections going
forward with national security experts that I've met and become
friends with.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
That is an absolute phenomenal story in terms of like
what I always think about. I mean, I come from
a similar I think mine happened probably ten years prior
to everybody you know, I had gone in you know,
my first trip to Afghanistan was the summer O two
and you know, after I remember hearing the stories about

(14:15):
the Drawbreaker team, Gary Bernstein's team, the ground Branch team,
the Delta guys that were chasing Bin Laden and then
he just magically slips away. And I remember being on
the ground trying to I was the intel guy, trying
to get information about all right, well, where do we
pursue them. We tried to do, you know, submit some

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operations to go and you know, watch the border of
Queta and spin Bulldock in southeastern Afghanistan, which was an
exit point in particular for the Talban. We tried all
these things that they just kept getting shot down, shot down,
shot down. And so I was like, wait a minute,
this isn't even a year after nine to eleven, and

(14:57):
like we know where the enemy is, why can't we
go after him? And there was no explanation, and so
I'm like, oh, that's weird. Then I go back the
second time in five with Blackwater, and I'm a part
of the counter drug commandos and training them and mentoring
them on missions, and we know, I go on several
missions where there's nobody.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
There and I'm like, wait a minute, why wait this?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
You know, we have access to DEA files and all this,
and you know, we know it. And then I remember,
you know, talking to one of DA guys and they're like, oh,
you think this is real? You think this is this
is like, we're we're going to damage ninety five percent
of the Afghan GDP And he goes, did you ever
hear about the Phoenix program.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
And in Vietnam? I'm like a little bit, I don't.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I don't really know, and and so that opened my eyes,
like oh, and that's just about when the opah hood
crisis began to kick off in America with cheap opium
from Afghanistan. Then the final coupdi graph for me was
working for the agency and in twenty ten and twenty
eleven and being in Pakistan and twenty eleven and the
drone strikes that were just just unleashed all over the world,

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I mean, more drone strikes than we ever did before.
And it was just like, you know, going and looking
at the BDA and going, wait a minute, you know
what's going on here, and just really began to understand
that what I thought I knew was not what was
actually going on, and that really began to shape it.
And then I think really within probably when the IRS

(16:33):
scandal against conservative libertarian nonprofits started, I was like, oh,
this is internal as well too, And at first I
just kind of wrote it off as as all right,
this is just the way different political parties operate.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
There's always something.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
But then you know it, it really began to shift
and you started to see kind of these color revolutions
emerge around the world, and you know, and what they
were attached to and whatever. And then for me, the
really the final point where I was just like, no,
this is this is bigger than anything I could ever imagine,

(17:14):
was the investigations into Trump, uh and then how Clinton
was handled with all of her classified material or her server,
how that went away. Then it focused on Trump as
a Russian asset, which was just on face, just the
most bizarre thing I'd ever.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
And that was it.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
After that, I've never gone back and been like, all right,
our institutions are intact. There's there's a consistency of governance
that's for the people, you know, and you know, you
combine in the other aspect the eight bailouts of corporations
and all this stuff, and you just if you're paying
attention in any not even in depth, like you don't

(17:54):
even have to get into it in the in the
manner with which you've gotten into it or some of
these other people. But just on this surface, if you're
paying attention, you begin to add it all together and
you realize what we understand to be true is just
not true. It's a it's a manipulated form of reality.

(18:14):
And I love how in the documentary Let My People Go,
you talk about how to teach kids to discern lies
from truth, and the quote was in it's it's you
dream of breaking through the feed which keeps us asleep?
Can you just talk about that quest and what you

(18:37):
mean by that?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, well, I mean I think the film opens up
with a propaganda trailer, right, and and you know, and
once you get done with the theater, I'm sitting in
the middle of it, surrounded by people that are just paralyzed,
right because they're they're receiving the story. And I can't
tell you how many people have seen the film have

(19:00):
come up to me and have resonated with that, like
just feeling that like they're alone. Like everyone at the
Thanksgiving table. Some are jabbed, some aren't, you know, some
people can talk about Trump, some people lose their minds.
And I think the quest for me started quite a
bit before twenty twenty nine to eleven. You know, my

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wife's a structural engineer, so Building seven presented problems. And
I just remember feeling so silly about how you kind
of have to do this dance to talk to people
about you know, what do you think about that? And
how you know it's it's like a scene out of
the Matrix where people start glitching because you can't there's

(19:43):
something about the programming. We can't talk about that, And
also wrestling with my own probably cowardice that I you know,
I don't want to make waves if I'm beyond and
you know, and I came from a pretty dysfunctional background,
so I wasn't in a place of ly readership. I
mean I was stalking, you know, grocery shelves, so it's
not like I had the weight of the world. Like

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I'll be the one to prove to you the problem
about nine to eleven. But I mean, just remember, just
in casual conversation, like I know in my heart that
what I saw isn't real. I know in my heart
that this guy named w if he's not evil, he's
controlled by evil people, and that journey developed and it

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was like I'd get a red pill each year. I mean,
I wasn't taking the whole bottle at once, like my
brother's a complete conspiracy theorist, but he took the bottle
all at once, and it was always telling me like,
you know, it's the end of the world, this end
of the world that, and it wasn't a very healthy way,
but I was phased in. And the second big structural

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shift in the way that I thought about politics was
the Federal Reserve. And my long paper in law school
was on whether the Federal Reserve had ever received a
meaningful audit. And you know, the answer to that is no.
But when you realize that seventy four percent of economic literature,
at least at the time, is FED sponsored, you'll find

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out that there's no criticism of the FED. So I
was trying to look for source material that question about
whether or not centralized planning was a good or bad idea,
and you couldn't find anything. You'd have to go to
the Mesas Institute. You'd have to listen to Ron Paul,
And I just remember submitting that paper to professors that
were like adherents of kinesy and economics, and it's like

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they're just looking at me with kind of disgust, like
why would you why would you write this type of thing? Yes,
but I remember being offended by that because you'd have
politicians talking about the bridge to nowhere and pork barrel spending,
but the amounts were like, you know, a million bucks here,
I mean start still large dollar amounts. But you compare

(21:59):
that with Congressman Alan Grayson grilling the Inspector General of
the Federal Reserve on where nine trillion dollars went, and
she had no answer for it. And I'm sitting there
watching the hearing and I'm looking around. I'm like, nothing
that we talk about from policy, from a policy standpoint,
from an economic standpoint, makes any sense. It's all noise.

(22:20):
It's all theater. So the depression kind of sets in
on like, Okay, I'm definitely unplugged from the matrix. But
it still was abstract because it hadn't affected me personally.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Not yet.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
And when I became a prosecutor, that was really when
you were talking about your experience in the overseas theaters
of war. For me, as a civilian prosecutor, realizing how
much power the cartels had over my office, over the judges.
You kind of go in with these aspirational ideas of

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I'm going to be a white hat, I'm going to
be a person that's gonna fight for the truth, and
you're sitting there going, my god, my district attorney that
I work for is more corrupt than anyone that I've prosecuted.
And this was also around the time that Edward Snowden
had the revelations of prism, and prism was a tool
used by Special Operations divisions, and I headed up a

(23:20):
task force that included the DEA you know, as a
Heida attorney, so it was high intensity drug trafficking areas.
I was the senior attorney for three counties here on
the border, and we'd have these hits where people would
go to locations and have seizures of drugs. I'm sitting
there going, how in the world did you all know

(23:41):
to bring a drug dog to a propane tank in
the middle of Pepper's grocery store? Like someone just explained
to me what prompted you to do that? And you know,
you'd end up pulling that thread right and next thing,
you know, you're you're almost one hundred percent certain that
they're using PRISM as a tool in my cases. And

(24:03):
the problem with that is that they were teaching the
agent's parallel reconstruction, so they were fudging their reports to
never let people know or tip them off that they
were using the tool, which violated the accused confrontation rights,
It violated Brady, it violated all kinds of laws. So
I'm sitting there going wow. For about six years, almost
every case in year is probably questionable from a standpoint

(24:24):
of whether the convictions. So I had a crisis of conscience.
Then where I remember it like it was yesterday. The
task force comes in. It's like I seen from Sacario.
These guys had just got out of the gym, they
got their gear, and it's clear they want to intimidate
me as a young attorney, letting me know how things work,

(24:44):
that they're the ones that get the drugs off the street,
they're the ones, and I'm just being gas lit all
to hell. And come to find out that many of
them were selling drugs out of the evidence lockers because
of the trial. They were funding their own operations. And
I remember just looking at them and I told them

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I'm going to dismiss all these cases that I found
where I felt the tools being used and that didn't
bother them at all, which is a problem, I said,
But unlike the dismissals you're used to, because it's called
a nolle prosequi, which is basically in the interest of justice,
you dismiss it. You don't provide any factual basis for

(25:28):
why you're doing it. It's under the discretion of the
acting attorney. I said, I'm going to identify you all publicly,
and I did this in ten cases, and I walked
it over to the courthouse and I met with the
judge in that district and I told him that I'm
dismissing these cases, and I want you to know I'm

(25:51):
not corrupt. So because some people could accuse me of
dismissing the case, I'm doing something's like I identify them.
I want you to know all I know he could
have been cartel bot, but I knew I could not
be a drug prosecutor on the border with the task
force that I was using. And then I wrote up

(26:12):
a memo, took the cases over to the Public Defender's
office and told them, if you guys care about your clients.
You should appeal every drug conviction in this jurisdiction going
back six years wow, and had a meeting with the
district attorney. This was a gal that was a user.
There was a civilian recording of her weaving in and

(26:34):
out of traffic driving a state car and they call
in state troopers to come in and she's practicing her
field sobriety test. So you put it all together. And
I remember telling her because I wanted to be a
white hat prosecutor, one of the good guys, and I
remember having to tell her, like, do not dismiss this case.

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If this agent comes to you over my head and
tries to get rid of this, there you know they're corrupt.
So I was fighting my own agency, Oh my gosh,
and told her I was liked, look, if you want
to fight corruption in her office, I'll stay.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
If you don't, I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And of course she didn't care, because you know, it's
one of those things where you're trying to pick a
jury for a DWI case and the entire community knows
that your boss got away with it. So these are
the types of things that kind of informed and it
breaks your heart because you're sitting there going where do
I go? Like, because there was a way to do

(27:36):
the job and get paid and come home and just
kind of go through the motions. They would let you
get low level convictions of mules, but they would time things.
They would know which board patrol agent was bought off
to make sure that when the big loads came in
they weren't going to check that car. And the money

(27:58):
that they had funding their operation was embarrassing compared to
what we had. So we would have like binoculars looking
into these desert patches and they be looking back at
us with gear yeah, gimp red, hologram sites, yeah, night vision,
yeah for sure. So all of that to say that,
you know the you know, once you've had your heart

(28:22):
broken about you know, the way that you thought the
world works, you can functions. It's like you're kind of
dead to the world and as long as you don't
care what it thinks, you can operate. But if you're
torn between the two worlds of I want to be accepted,
I want the promotion, then it's soul fracturing. And I

(28:44):
think by the time twenty twenty came around, I was
so sickened that I just didn't care. I didn't care
if I got fired. I didn't care if the papers
wrote something about me. It's like, why the hell am
I even on this planet? If I've got to pretend
that what I at the universe or what happened on
election night is real, I'm not okay with this. And

(29:08):
so it was kind of all in. I was all in.
And you have to count the cost on how you're
going to be attacked, how your family's going to be attacked.
And so I have from death threats to witches and
warlocks cursing weird stuff that I mean, I can't even
explain the stuff that's happened on a spiritual level to

(29:29):
my family, the protection we've received from prayer warriors. It's
been the most surreal five year journey where not only
did my career just implode, but I'm also like on
a private jet riding with Mike Lindille, I'm having dinner
with President Trump, I'm across a table from General Flynn.

(29:52):
I'm going to Dallas having lunch with City pal And
everyone's got their own battles and their own perfections, Like
none of these people are perfect. You find out that
they're just like you. Like they're manipulated. Syop after syop,
so much information was thrown my way that was garbage,
and you're sifting through it. So you know, there's a

(30:15):
period of probably a year where you're just seeing red,
like the paranoia. I mean, people cannot understand the level
of paranoia. And there was a season where I try
to master that because I'm sitting there going I don't
trust anyone. I don't trust anything, and the enemy is
probably really happy with that outcome. And I think around

(30:40):
mid twenty twenty two, I just kind of had a
quiet conversation with God about all right, how do I
do this? How do I operate? Because this is so different.
Not only is the government not going to save us,
they're the biggest threat to my existence. And that's hard
to say, is a long time government process, Like the

(31:02):
biggest danger are people with badges and a printing press.
So in the film, it was important to talk about
those spiritual dynamics but also the psychological ones because a
lot of people are sitting there going, why don't you
just get right to the elections? So just get right

(31:23):
to it. And what they don't realize is that I've
done so many evidence presentations where I would have people
and I could answer all of their questions and their
response would be, if you're right, then how come a
judge didn't take the case. And that was their argument.
So if you don't address that psychological aspect of yeah,

(31:46):
because the judiciary is captured, that's why. But you have
to lay it out for them. You actually have to
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ten if it means, you know, they might look silly
to the world.

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Speaker 3 (34:25):
All right, David, let's.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Let's get back to the This is one of the
heaviest stories I've ever heard. I just can't believe your courage.
Let's just want to let's dig in a little bit deeper.
You know it took me. I mean, obviously, if you
become a member of the Special Operations community, you're gonna
have to ingest a fair sheriff in doctrination, right uh,

(34:49):
to just you know, be pointed in a direction and
to go, you know, after whoever they tell you to
go after in the.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Ways with which we do.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
And then at the intelligence agency you have to become
comfortable with You don't need to know that, just go
do what I tell you to do right, and that
hyper compartmentalization, you know, and and what you know, it's
a it's a completely different way that they in doctrinate
case officers, that the way they indoctrinate special operations. But

(35:17):
you have to fuse those together, and you had the
they're dependent upon one core principles of that never quit,
highly dangerous, high risk operational mindset, to shut up and
just do what we tell you.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
You don't need to know why, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
So like, it took me a long time to unravel that,
and it was also a part of my own spiritual
faith that ended up doing that as well too, and
which took me probably from twenty twelve two to really
two thousand and seventeen eighteen, when I when I met
my new wife, who was a person who's fundamentally imbued,

(35:56):
imbued with the recognition of her own truth, which is
her faith and her family and her deeds, and so
that really helped me kind of cross the line of it.
But in context of of these other UH systems that
were were fundamentally broken to their core right and the

(36:17):
big ones we're not just talking, you know, the operational
systems of a particular region or area, but like the
big systems and you know how we uh partner with
criminal elements to elicit intelligence that fulfills the need we
want for particular shift or change in a particular government

(36:39):
and a coverable color revolution.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Right, like you're starting, wait a minute, whoa we're doing what?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And and and it's that poll, it's that spiritual poll.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
It's it's it's you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
That hey, you know this is wrong, but and you
know you're being betrayed, but you still have to feed
your family. You you have these skill sets that are
value able in a particular well, they're they're they're a
derivative of that system. And you're in this sense of
betrayal of yourself, the system, and and your overall.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's that it's that desire not to want to let
go of of the comfort of of ignorance.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Right, that cognitive dissonance.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's everything that you're saying, like I resonate with so strongly,
because there really is there has to be. You have
to be okay with the death of self. Yeah, it's
the only way that you can navigate beautiful. But what
you're talking about, because if you're split down the middle.
You're of no use to your family, you're of no

(37:45):
use to the world, you're definitely of no use to God.
And you know, so it's a lone it's a very
lonely place because you're you're spending most of your time
in your own head and and from the outside it's
like you think, looks okay, but your soul's.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Damaged, right.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And I think that's what was probably the biggest learning
curve for me in transitioning from a public servant as
a prosecutor. Even though I had law enforcement bona fides
and I had a badge and I had undercover agents,
I was still working with the premise that the government,

(38:24):
at least my idea of parts of it, are the
good guys and these are bad guys. And once you
disabuse of yourself with the notion no, no, actually, that's
a high value target for Satan, that's a high value
target for infiltration. And that was probably the biggest growth

(38:45):
in my discernment over five years, is that in a
nation state game, and when you talk about elections, it's
as nation state as it gets. It doesn't get any
more nation state. I'm telling you right now, I've talked
about COVID and elections out of the too. It's far
more dangerous to talk about rigged elections.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Can I can I ask you one a reference, because
Jordy and I were talking before. I you know, the
way I kind of assess it right now is the
JAB itself was a global scale of betrayal, right, five
billion people injecting that poison into themselves, gene altering, gene

(39:28):
editing substances that had no no efficacy, no nothing, as
as as a play for compliance, right, as an an
idea of compliance, as well as as who knows whatever
you know, nefarious ideas that are underneath it. I mean,
obviously when you dig into you know, the fact that

(39:48):
DARPA made it, how they export it, that whole thing.
I mean, like that, that's mind blowing. But but that's
like humanity. But this itself and what I firmly believe,
and I believe this and in all of my everything
in my being, that America represents the last bash before
total chaos. Right.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
It's the thing that gives the rest of at least us.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It gives us hope that there is still a framework
that can be rebuilt or reconstituted if enough people get
behind and have this awakening, have this sense of the
regain what it's regaining, a truth of what you know
is true versus what you want to believe. Right that

(40:36):
it can it can happen here that in five hundred
million guns and you know, who knows, maybe like two
trillion rounds of ammunition also have a nice buffer system
to it. But do you think of it in that
context or do you really like, how do you rate
the intensity of what it means that our election systems.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I mean, if you if you believe what.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Gary's research does in terms of seventy six foreign countries
have been manipulated, in particular South Central America, and then
you have what they asked them. They've said tens of
thousands of little and big elections in America since twenty eleven.
And that is that, in your mind, the greatest challenge

(41:25):
that we have in in not only in America but
in the world.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I do, and I think that's why it's so jealously
guarded by legacy media. Why most of the appointments from
Obama and you know, to the degree the Republicans got
those appointments wrong, they themselves were part of the problem
to create gatekeepers. So from a standpoint of who signs

(41:52):
off on what people can do from you know, cases
that you would you would receive through intake as a share,
you find out that Sorosa's grease the skids and put
people in strategic places in swing states, and so you
start looking at this like it's a giant matrix of

(42:13):
how would you undermine a country? And they are so
systematically disciplined and how they did it. That's why it
was so hard to believe because people were sitting there
going twenty twenty, surely this is just garden variety fraud
that we caught in a few places, but it's not

(42:33):
the entire thing. CEO said that, right, yeah, and so
they would concede that, and you know, and you're sitting
there going, no, the data tells a much much different story.
So to me, it's it's kind of like I look
at this from a kingdom standpoint, like Kingdom of heaven,
kingdom of darkness, the old stories are the true ones, right,

(42:57):
And I look at humanity and I look at at
you know, just like God's got his angels, He's got
believers that can be vessels for righteousness to imbue a
country with virtue, and you have the same thing on
the other side. You've got people that are being used
by something evil. It's a demonic spirit that works in

(43:18):
and through them, and that's what accounts for people that
when you talk with them, facts come out of your mouth.
You've got all of the arguments, you're right, you're substantively right,
and their eyes glaze over and they don't care, like
what accounts for that? Because that's really the focal point
of If this is just about rationality and reason, we win.

(43:40):
So and it's not enough to say that Biden's dumb
or Kamala is an idiot. It's like, no, right, they're performing.
They're performing, and what is idiocy to use because they
are not acting rationally or in conformance with the truth.
It's like, no, we're actually the idiots because we don't
realize that we're being played and manipulated by them, and

(44:03):
we engage into perception theater by you know, parroting a
story that we see on Fox News or parroting a
story that we see on CNN, as if we should
ever use those entities to affirm reality. Right, So I
look at you know, you got the two kingdoms, and
then you've got something that Satan has always been into
subjugation and slavery, and the quality of slave is different

(44:28):
than it was in the Civil War. We don't need
the strong, fit African American male in chains, we don't
need to beat them. We'll do the exact opposite. We're
going to use white, weak beta males. We're going to
feed their senses with pleasure, not pain, and we're still
going to rip them off fifty to sixty cents on

(44:49):
the dollar. That's a pretty good return. And as long
as we can keep them fed with garbage food, give
them Netflix for cheap, they'll show up to their job
and we'll keep taking from them. It's a parasitic type
of environment. So when you look at it that way,
the machines writ large I'm talking about the entire system

(45:11):
is the slave master's new whip. It's the tool, and
it's what makes everything go. So when I say that
this is more important than COVID, it's not to diminish
the loss of human life and the bioweapon treachery. What
I'm talking about is that the slave master tool is

(45:33):
ground zero for perception on policymaking, whether someone's elected or selected.
So every issue you care about, whether it's babies, bibles, bullets, COVID,
they're all downstream from that black box that no one
will let you audit. So whoever controls the black box
controls the economy. They control the House, the Senate, the Judiciary,

(45:58):
they control the talking points, they control the leverage of subsidization,
of taking your tax dollars and weaponizing your own tax
dollars against you. And so that's that's the battle. And
right now, the biggest obstacle that I have isn't the
radical left, because I can see them a mile away.

(46:21):
It's not even the establishment Republicans. It's Conservative inc. It's
something that walks and talks and looks a lot like MAGA,
and boy are they effective in communicating things that are
mostly right, mostly true. But there's a little subtle pivot.
And I'll give you a perfect example of this, and
it's probably one of the reasons why I don't get

(46:42):
invited to the prom with any of these conservative events.
But there is still this wholesale protection of the machines.
And most recently, Rahem Cassam did a puff piece through
the National Pulse selling the liberty vote acquisition of dominion

(47:03):
as a wonderful thing like it was the death nail
to dominion. And I have a very well placed source
that had a one on one conversation with Rahemi. He
did not disclose that he had a conflict of interest.
There is a concerted interest in DC to do the
rebrand to keep the machines there, of course, and when

(47:25):
you look into the owner and CEO of Liberty Vote,
he has been in the election space for fifteen plus years.
He ran an election in Kosovo for the Obama administration.
He was a pioneer of the electronic poll books, which
give you all the metrics that you need to figure
out how many fake ballots to create. He acquired a

(47:47):
group called b pro and merged with it, and b
Pro is responsible for this thing called Total Vote. It's
a completely cloud based technology where you can elegantly subvert
elections in microseconds. So when you get it out of
your head that it's not about you know whether China
is hacking into our machines. It's a codified fraud where

(48:09):
you've got tax dollars being laundered back into NGOs. And
our own Department of Homeland Security, through the Center for
Internet Security, has entered into legal contracts to live behind
your precinct firewalls, so they don't have to hack. They
get to live there because we signed the paperwork and
it's our tax dollars that put them there. And they

(48:31):
hate Naga, they hate Trump, they hate you, they hate me.
And now they've got this integrated cloud based technology that
not only allows them to monitor voter rolls, election tallies,
election net reporting, but they can change it. So most
of the evidence that we placed in that film weren't
hypothetical subversions. These were, you know, documented subversions where we

(48:56):
gave you actual proof along that assembly line. But what
Ralph and Gary did in their interview with Laura Logan
was get confirmation from the smartmatic whistleblowers that are telling us.
And it was pretty cool to be affirmed saying, you
know something, we were right. We didn't see all of

(49:17):
the gaps, but if you overlay their disclosures with our work,
you see this nice niche. But right now, the biggest
concern and biggest worry for people like myself are thinking
about this like it's a football team. You know, now
that are Republicans in control of dominion, we can all
take a break, right and that's the kind of stuff.

(49:38):
And then the other thing is that there's no remedy
that I can think of where the legislature will get
its acting gear because they are there by virtue of
these machines. They have no interest in getting rid of them.
So you've got to dream up a legal avenue that
Trump can declare, not ask, not bague, not jockey for approval.

(50:04):
But he's going to do what he needs to do
is the commander in chief and treat the subversion of
our elections no different than an inner continental ballistic missile.
He doesn't have to ask Congress to strike down a missile.
It's that framework where he can go in there and say,
you know, I'm not asking you when Serbia's coming in here,
and when Venezuela is coming in and intervening in our elections,

(50:27):
that is the most undermining thing that you can do
to a country's country sovereignty. So when I look at
the airspace in Venezuela, I'm here to tell people, if
you think this is about drugs, yeah, yeah, that it's not.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And they don't know, they don't get they don't understand
the totality because it's so big.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Right, yes, And not only that, but you've got all
these people that will pull out their pocket Constitution for
a day, and like whether it's Marjorie Taylor Green or
Ran Paul and these are people that historically used to
really you know, like but they'll there's so quick to
tell you that Congress gets to declare war. And I'm
sitting there going you guys sat on your hands while

(51:07):
the war was brought to us and there was an
actual invasion at the border, and there was a digital
invasion in our code, and so the president does not
have to wait for Congress. He does not have to
listen to a court to repel that invasion, you know.
And and so that's the framework, and I think I
think Trump's there. But if he puts on the mantle

(51:28):
of Article two power, he's working under his plenary authorities,
commander in chief. He just needs to do what he
needs to do, because if he doesn't and we're just
playing this political optics game, then it's it's game over.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Right. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
The obviously everybody listening you you have to. We're going
to put the link to the documentary and it'll lay
out the details of what David gets into on the systems,
how they do it. It's it's brilliantly done. You'll you'll
really enjoy it. But the thing that I think always
and new references in the beginning of our discussion, was

(52:06):
the idea, all right, there's you know, nobody heard these
these ninety cases. There was no merit there for for
evident for evidence to be brought forth to be able
to do it. And I think everybody goes, well, if
if that's the case, bring it forward legally in some
type of rico conspiracy case and try it through the

(52:28):
court systems, and and we'll get we'll get to a
place where legally we can make the changes and force
the Congress and the Senate and whatever to do it.
Why is that so unrealistic? And that emergency almost an
emergency Powers Act of National Security is the only way

(52:51):
to dismantle the system?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Why?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Why why can't we do a grand uh, you know,
like the people of the United States right right, some
giant class action lawsuit that you have twenty million people
sign a petition to be a part of. And and
then you go, you know, go, why can't that take place?

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Right now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I if people ask me how Trump could make good
on his two most important promises. You know, promise number one.
You know when he put his hand on the Bible
in twenty seventeen and said, I'm going to give you
back your country. That's a huge promise. You can say
that it's you know, just speech riding. And then the

(53:34):
other thing is that he said that he caught them all.
He caught them all. So his presidency will be judged
on whether he can keep those two promises. And as
it stands right now, maybe he's done the most important
part of getting us there, but we haven't seen the
accountability right And so in twenty twenty one, even then,

(53:56):
if someone asked me, Dave, do you think that he
can drain the swamp through a DOJ or a civilian system,
And the answer is no, that's the system I know,
more or less mastered, and do process concerns are just
too high for the accused in a civilian framework. And

(54:16):
so when you've got people that can wait out the clock,
and we're not talking about your garden variety thuck or criminal,
we're talking about John Brennan, Hillary Clinton, not only the
lawyer up, they're going to have every single conceivable argument
and they can appeal to authority because a lot of
the sources are coming from captured elements of the government.

(54:37):
So one of the biggest and most frustrating things to
do during COVID was, you know, you couldn't argue and
when in court because the CDC had an official statement
from the government telling you what reality was. And so
even in the cyber arenas, you had the sizes of
the world, you had the Department of Homeland Security, you
had Chris Krebs telling you that everything is perfect. So

(55:00):
how do you fight that when the rules of evidence
in a court system treat many of those sources as
self authenticating, meaning they come in by virtue of it.
It came from the government, and therefore it is evidence,
and it's in front of the jury or the judge
and everyone else that's telling the truth has been destroyed
by a USAID funded news network. And when they do

(55:24):
a comparative analysis between the inter news and some glorifying
puff piece for these poor election clerks that are being
accosted by people like me, you lose nine times out
of ten. And so you know, I'm reminded not as
a because I'm not a soldier like you. I came

(55:46):
in this as kind of a kind of a bastard
kid that found his way into a really weird place
and God put you there, you know well he did.
But there's this this thing of Okay, I'm familiar with
the art of war and the famous quotes of keep
your friends close and your enemies closer, and when before

(56:09):
you even say a step onto the battlefield, there's these maxims.
And I'm sitting there going, if Trump is who I
think he is, then I need to expand the way
that I think, and I need to start thinking about
tools that no mere mortal civilian has that he has,
and what is it about this guy that he walks differently,

(56:30):
He talks with confidence, and he's not faking it. You
can tell when people fake it, And so you start thinking, Okay,
I have helped the public understand how rigged elections are
through civilian sources, public records, and I think we've carried
the day from our end. But if you were to

(56:51):
ask someone to prove it beyond you know, any doubt,
then you're getting into a space force nsaaradim yes, where
the commander in chief can declassify and show you exactly
how it's done. Trump's got that. So when he says
he's got it all, and why he doesn't seem worried,

(57:13):
it's just a question of will you use an emergency
broadcast system? Will you force feed and just force these
tyrants to take a look at their tyranny and let
the public look on. Wow, that's what's going to be required.
But it's going to have to be a military commission
tribunal setting to do the level of efficient prosecution that's necessary.

(57:37):
So RICO is great, racketeering's okay, but you're talking about
twenty year caps and do process rights that are not
built for mass prosecution. It's just not so when people
get upset with cash. Betel Pambondie, what's going on with
James Comy. Trump is not who I think is if

(58:00):
he's going to solve this problem through the DOJ, because
it's beyond them to handle this. So I started looking
at military commissions, and I wanted to ask the question
and answer it legally without any of the mystique that
comes from Q and some of the other stuff that's
out there, which I find absolutely fascinating. I'm not someone

(58:22):
that craps on that stuff at all, because in many respects.
They're so far ahead of everyone on just critical thinking.
But I want to ask legally, what can Trump do?
And there's a case called the Youngstown Decision. It's the
preeminent case on war powers where the president's power starts
and stops, and it was written by Justice Jackson's the

(58:44):
Concurrence in particular, and he was a Nuremberg prosecutor. So
this is a guy who had experienced the unthinkable in
a post World War two arena. And we're there again,
like we're in a Nuremberg like moment. And he talked
about the president's powers, about being at their peak when
he's got Congresses backing, it's at its lowest EBB when

(59:07):
they're fighting him. And we all have to concede right
now that there is no there's no way that Congress
will work with President Trump to solve any of the
things that we're talking about, which means he has to
act in open defiance of a captured Congress.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Number one.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Number two. If the military is part of this, you
have to explain the oddities of what happened with Biden,
this human gaff machine. Why does it look like he's
on a movie set? Why does it look like it's
not the same person. Why is he taller? I mean,
these are all things where people can write it off
and walk past it and say, Dave, you're crazy. But

(59:48):
I'm telling you right now, when President Trump tells you
at Quantico that he's the forty fifth, forty sixth, and
forty seventh president, but he doesn't want to take the
credit for the forty sixth term. When you've got him
brandishing a chart at rallies and it says that he
left office in the lower corner in April twenty twenty.

(01:00:13):
That's not a typo that you can, you know, right
just pass by at rally after rally after rally, and
he says, this is the chart that saved my life.
And everyone just ignores that thing in the corner. So
I'm sitting there, I want to take Trump at his word.
That's the way that I'm looking at this. I'm gonna
stop being twisted and turned by all the different talking kids.

(01:00:37):
Is he telling me the truth? Because if you left office,
the only way that that makes sense is through a
continuity of government framework. So what are the legal circumstances
that would justify continuity of government? And if you look
at where our country was in April of twenty twenty.
It checks off all the boxes. You've got a buy away,

(01:01:00):
you've got US citizens being killed and murdered by chemical agents.
You've got people already telegraphing how they're going to take
over the elections and have the influx of mail in ballots.
I think the military was signaling to Trump that you
can give them the ultimatum, open up by easter or else.
And what did the intelligence agencies do that were captured.

(01:01:24):
They gave him the middle finger, and it was game
on white hats, black hats. But he had to play
this artful narrative battle where now twenty twenty to me
isn't even a real election. It's about perception theater, because
even if he would have seized the machines to an

(01:01:44):
executive order, which he had the legal authority to do,
he would have lost the narrative war because the narrative
seating was so strong from people saying that he was
a tyrant that would never let go of power, and
people wouldn't have known enough at that point to whether
that type of conflict right. So you look back and

(01:02:06):
you're sitting going, well, all of a sudden, I now
can have an accounting for the confusing mess that was
Joe Biden, who was the greatest red pill dispenser that
I've ever seen. I can now understand why war torn
areas there was no heavy military presence in places like Afghanistan.

(01:02:29):
And you know this better than anyone. There's no way
that the military industrial complex would leave those opium fields,
that would leave certain places that were funding their pockets.
And so what you saw was a vestige of control
on the corrupted aspects of the intelligence agencies, the money

(01:02:49):
laundering operations through Ukraine. But when it came to military
might and actually going places that we had been for
twenty years, noticed that all of that was gone or
under Biden's watch. So it presents a lot of questions, right,
and then you've got again the Quantico statement. So you
add it all together and it looks like a shadow

(01:03:12):
presidency was in effect, and that presents questions. But if
that's the case, I can now explain away how in
the world the National Guard can be federalized and deployed
to do policing in the United States, which would otherwise

(01:03:34):
violate possecommentatus. I can make sense of the fact that
Trump doesn't seem to be bothered by any legal ruling
that seems to go against him. I can make sense
of why he designated Antifa as a terrorist organization Venezuela
and Narco Terras is a terrorist organization. Understand that the
inner play of smartmatic having a foothold in each camp,

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and then you start seeing that there is a plan,
and I've got confidence, and it's about when do you
execute on that plan to pull the rug from everyone,
to not let the cockroaches scatter. And so he's got
three years to perfect this and do it right and

(01:04:21):
do it by the book. So when I started looking
at the UCMJ, all of a sudden the things that
I was having heartburn over started to find their place.
I researched the Dakota Wars. This is the biggest trial
of enemy combatants. One tribunal did three hundred and ninety

(01:04:42):
six cases in thirty seven days. Wow, So you do
the math. You're going wait a minute, Okay, that's one tribunal.
What happened if we had twenty military courts where finding
over six month period you could do fifteen thousand trials
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
You want to do more?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
You know, go a year, go, two years, go, three years.
So the framework starts to make sense on what Trump
is doing. And I think the frustration of many American
consumers or patriots is that they just are kind of
pissed that they don't get the debrief. And I don't
get the debrief. It's not like the president's telling me
what he's doing. But there's this huge thing called the

(01:05:22):
military that none of us are pondering, none of us
are thinking about, and it's going to take that kind
of authoritative power that we're outmatched under certain categories of
strife where I'm not worried about Judge Boseberg. I'm not
worried about the judiciary as long as the military has

(01:05:44):
President Trump's back, and I will concede. It's a big if,
right until we see victory. I'm either a completely you know,
brainwashed lunatic for even abouting these things on your show,
or I'm right well for me, I, by the way,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
That was absolutely outstanding a layout for the possibility of
what could go. And you know there's always the people
like going, this is bold. There's no way Trump has
the capacity for four dhs or fifth generation warfare or
whatever it is. And you know, obviously you know he's

(01:06:25):
been around it not long enough to know, and he's
been under attack long enough to know that you know,
any survived.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
That's the first thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I mean, we've seen many other cases throughout history where
presidents did not survive that attack and went away quickly.
And so that's the thing that gives me hope. And
everybody's like, well, he's part of it, and you know
he's he's just one of their minions. But for me,
the biggest thing lately that kind of lined up was

(01:06:53):
the show of force Alpha Venezuela, right, the categorization of
both Antifa and the cartels as terrorist organizations. And then
the most recent one was you see the opposing force
come out and basically say, hey, if you're in the military,

(01:07:13):
it's okay to disobey orders, like it's it's your duty, right,
it's your duty to disobey these unlawful orders, which is
in my opinion, in line like I didn't think about
it in terms of like what you did with the
military tribunals and the magnitude or scale of of prosecution.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
In that level, but it's it's act.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Obviously, the military is a key component of enforcing these
types of things, and you know that's why we're starting
to see the assaults on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
It's the only way if we're looking at the art
of war, that Trump wins before he takes the first
step right onto the battlefield.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
And so the things that you're talking about are are key.
But there's one thing that to me has kind of
pushed me over the edge to think that, okay, the
military has to be involved. And that's the outcome of
November last November November twenty twenty four. Knowing what I
know and knowing what you saw in the film, there
is no way in hell Trump could have reacquired his

(01:08:20):
position in the White House unless there was a significant
intervention that would have required the kind of backing from
a United States military. There's no way. And the huge
disparity between what we saw in twenty twenty four versus
twenty twenty there's two things that stand out. Number One,

(01:08:43):
when it came to Trump's races, you did not see
the materialization of that dreaded f curve where a Trump
is up by tens of thousands of ballots and then
all of a sudden Kamala on election night gets to
pass them. And that's election night reporting real ballots. That's
just what we see on the television screens, on those

(01:09:04):
trackers that didn't happen. So when we talk about Gary
Bernson and Ralph Azulo and the stuff that was going
on in Serbia overseas, that has a bearing on the
perception theater of what we were able to see and
be fed through our programming, and people weren't being given

(01:09:26):
this fictional report that Kamala eked it out that was
not allowed to transpire, which is really really key because
there was this anecdotal story that Joe Rogan shared when
he was at the watch party with Elon Mosk and
this was before the races were called. Elon supposedly checks
his app on his phone and says it's over.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Trump won. Now, what in the world did he have
in his hand to be able to say that so confidently.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Well, I think what it was that was the confirmation
of the intervention that took place that they could not
rig the perception of votes coming in the showcase come
all in the lead. And then you're sitting going, Okay,
if it was anyone else, you could disregard it. But
you're talking about SpaceX. You're talking about Elon Musk, who
has put a Manhattan Project level disbursement of thousands of

(01:10:21):
satellites right into the atmosphere. And wherever you have satellite
dominance and satellite infrastructure that works in tandem with the NSA,
you really have the final tool on what you get
to see on a screen on the television. So they
had a answer for that that didn't appear to materialize

(01:10:43):
in twenty twenty. So that's number one. Number two, there
were interdiction efforts to stop the influx of mail in
ballots showing up on the scene in places like Pennsylvania,
where they got through in twenty twenty. It didn't happen
in Trump's races in twenty twenty four. So how does
he have the ability as a non president Because again

(01:11:08):
Biden still in, How is it that space force or
some type of cyber intervention was able to stop the
bad guys? Where did the force of law come in
to all of a sudden stop vans loaded with ballots
in strategic places? Why did it work this time? But

(01:11:28):
it couldn't work when Trump was effectively the one who
was in control of all of that. In November of
twenty twenty, you know, five years ago. So these are
the kinds of questions that I just tell people don't
walk past. And it was also so artful that there
was enough corruption and fraud that you couldn't say that
the elections were fixed, because you had the anomalies with

(01:11:51):
Kerry Lake and Sam Brown. There was at least eight
Senate races that were outright stolen from Republicans. There were
thirty house races in California. And one of the debriefs
I got, I went to DC and I met with
a congressman tops of one of his top attorneys, and
he showed me video and picture evidence from the day
after November twenty twenty fourth election where they did a

(01:12:13):
spot check at the Runback Facility in Arizona, which is
where they do the industrial scale printing of those ballots.
And you had non English speakers loading up palettes stuffed
to the brim and put them on Penske trucks and
they were headed for California, Nevada, throughout Arizona, Colorado. And

(01:12:36):
so if he knew that, Trump knew that. So you
add it all together and perhaps it's like, no, we're
not crazy. Perhaps our intuition and our common sense are
telling us one thing. But there is this knee jerk
reaction to kind of want to be blackpilled because how
long do we have to put up with the stnsense?
How long do we have to be on this roller

(01:12:58):
coaster ride. There's no way, you know, to recap. There's
no way that Trump gets in in twenty twenty four
absent some type of military like power to intervene in
the cyber world, and I'll take that to the grave.
I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
The one thing that I come up with in my
mind is that the country had gotten so hot, in
particular after the assassination attempt in Butler, you know, and
you saw, I mean, they see amo sales, they see
gun sales, see they see what's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Going on online.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Right, They'd built that entire infrastructure of you know what
Mike Ben's calls the censorship industrial complex, and they had
just in all those groups monitoring social media and people
within the social media itself that maybe they they thought
it's so hot if we try and steal this one,

(01:13:57):
there'll be a full blown revolt with there's no trials,
there's no tribunal.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
You know, there's no tribunals. It's just like it's chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
And then people are hung in the in the squares
back in the like back in the day. So let's
let this one slide. We got enough people internally to
press against. We got enough people inside his his whoever
he has to elect, right, I mean, he's got what
put in two thousand people who then put in ten
thousand each or whatever it is. It's you know, the

(01:14:25):
scale of appointees and you're bringing in is seems virtually impossible.
We've got that, so we'll just let him go through.
We'll push him. We've got the judges dialed in the
pushback like we're seeing. I mean the case that dismiss
Komy because right the attorney for the Attorney General of

(01:14:45):
New Jersey wasn't lawfully in place. I mean, it's just
there's no end to what they'll do. Yes, So I
wouldn't we just kind of fish this real QUI? Yeah,
it was so hot that they're just going to be like,
all right, forget it now. They start the sigh of
playing with the other elections. They regain some control somehow
some Senate seats twenty six is a landslide for them.

(01:15:08):
It shows the public is upset with the ice raids
and his the no King's rally, that whole thing, and
then twenty eight because he's gone, you know, it's back
down to that that that fifty one forty nine majority
minority with Jade Vance. They load him with possibly a

(01:15:28):
non likable running mate or whatever it is, and and
they put in whoever they want for the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Well, I think one of the reason why I inappropriately
interrupted you is because I'm so excited because like it's
like I just said, the whole thing, I've got this
going up my horse because you're you're running with some
major horsepower to even to spot what you just did.
And so one thing I just want to agree with
you that. But what people need to understand is they

(01:15:55):
got to get away from this idea of evil is static.
It's it's constantly there's a dynamic and you're not saying that,
but there are contingency plans, right, And so you've got
your plan and you try to you try to execute it.
Team evil has to respond and try to respond and
then you respond to them. And so what you're seeing
is like it's not either or both both can be

(01:16:16):
absolutely true. That Trump has got the hardened aspects of
the military, he's trying to fill strategic roles, get rid
of people, and then you've got the the remnants of
the captured judiciary, captured legislature doing all the things that
you just mentioned. And I think what happens is many

(01:16:37):
people and they can be they could be right that
they think that that's what's gonna win out. It's like
the ultimate limited hangout where we just get enough truth,
you let you know, some air out of the tires,
and and it's going to be more of the same.
And I think there's a lot of people that truly
feel that this second term is going to be that.

(01:17:00):
It's like they're going to wait out the clock and
Trump is going to be mastered at some point and
it'll be the next guy in and the pendulum is
going to swing back. So one, I just want to
concede that I get that, and I can't convince people
not to feel that way because I see that stuff too.
But I come back to this place where it really

(01:17:23):
is an article of faith. And it's not to say
that Trump is a forty chess master. I think he is,
but it comes down to winning. Do you have a
vision for winning? If I believe that Trump was all
about the political optics of just having another term and

(01:17:44):
playing the game, well, shame on me. I'd be like
the apostle Paul, like my entire faith would be be
shattered for believing in this guy called Jesus. Right, it's
kind of the same thing. I don't see that with Trump.
I see this as as it's killer be killed. It's
to the victor goes the spoils. And there's enough movement

(01:18:06):
in places, but you have to look in places where
no one's talking about them. And that's kind of the
military chess board. Because if Trump isn't wielding that, if
he's not wielding the tools that he has as the
commander in chief, we're talking about the most powerful man
in the world, then one he's a fool, and two

(01:18:29):
he will be destroyed. And that's where it gets really
simple for me. If he doesn't see this through, everyone
in his administration is going to jail him, included people
like myself will not be around to do this podcast
in four years time. It's I'm this isn't hyperbole, and
so I think he knows that, and so when I

(01:18:50):
see the optics and the narratives over coomy and I'm
sitting there going, guys, you're getting upset over and dismissal.
But what's the charge perjury? Do we think that the
sins of James Comy can be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Leveled with a perjury each other?

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Yeah, it's absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
There's got to be a whole category of things that
are in the seditious conspiracy Treson world. And unlike the
cases that you can track on a pacer account, which
is public record, none of the things that I'm talking about,
you and I can have eyes or ears on unless
we're vetted and in the military. So that's kind of

(01:19:33):
the That's the million dollar question is is this article
of faith that I have going to come to fruition
or in a year year's time, is everyone to say, Dave,
I told you so, it's way worse. Trump's the anti Christ.
We've got the same caliber of bought and paid for politicians.
And that's all possible. But I see an election at

(01:19:56):
least on the federal races, because I don't think he
can master the ballot from a statewide standpoint, But I
think from a US Senate race to a congressional district race.
So you're talking about a two race ballot can be
hand counted. I think you'd be conducted by the National Guard.
I think that can be lawful, and maybe you don't

(01:20:16):
get to do that on other races. But what you're
going to find is that we're not a fifty to
fifty country. That it's probably absolutely twenty split, and people's
heads are going to explode when they see what it
really is. And then all of a sudden, you're not
dealing with a Lane Duck presidency where you're put out

(01:20:37):
to pastor and everyone forgets about Trump. They're going to
start courting JD. Vance and Marco Rubio or whoever is
going to take the reins. They're going to sit there
going We've got a whole new crop of Maha Maga
like candidates that might want to repeal the twenty second Amendment.
Maybe the trolling of Trump having another term isn't just trolling.

(01:20:57):
Maybe there's a legal pathway, uh to to secure you know,
this victory. So I think our country's fortunes will will
win out or fail in in the midterm elections. That
will be the definitive sign for me and and I
hope I'm right, because good lord, I can't go through

(01:21:19):
another four years.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Like wed before.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Well, that's the thing, like I as you're sitting here
in the way you obviously you know you're a trained evaluator, right,
You're a trained You're trained to assess information, and then
through that assessment, you're you're able to uh what to

(01:21:44):
connect the assessments uh in a logical manner that gives
you a semblance of what structure that you can you
can build your reality around, right, and that that's what
you're doing, and you have done for the last five years,
even greater from back the time when you were prosecutor

(01:22:04):
and you realize the crooked nature of the cartel influence
on people and law enforcement and everything. But but now
it's there's a different thing at stake, I think for
you and for me. You know, I've got four daughters.
I know you have children. You've got a wife who's
immeasurably invested in all of this. You know, my wife

(01:22:26):
in terms of supporting me. And because I battle the
same thing, It's like, all right, how far do I
go on the microphone? Do I have Professor David Clements
on my show? Because as soon as I do. Then
you know, it's like, oh you let the crazy election
denier guy, you know, and it's like and you know,

(01:22:48):
like you said that Conservative Ink begins to push me
over here maybe or over there. You know, my one
of my closest friends in the world is Sean Ryan,
and you know, just he just had you know, a
bud of his Tucker Carlson on and you know, it's like,
all right, I'm going to bring this pariah now of
Conservative Ink on because he's my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
I want to hear what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
He has to say. And you know, Sean's like, nobody's
going to own me. And so that idea of freedom
for us as as as strong men that believe in
something that's much deeper than just elections, the faith in
what Christ tells us to be as men and seekers
of the truth right asking you shall find open the door,

(01:23:31):
it will it will come forward to you, and you
know that's our responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
However, we do have these children.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
And so if you were speaking to young people, if
I'm going to ask you to speak to young people
in particular, you know, twenty two twenty three year old
men out there right now and girls, what do you
say to him in the midst of all of this,
what do you how do you invoke one a deeper

(01:24:02):
train of thought, but two a deeper faith that that
that that good, that that that are your faith that
that will prevail.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Well, it's a that's a deep question, and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I'm gonna I'm gonna do a weave to get get
get to that because something that you said, really it's
something that I didn't realize how much I was wrestling
with it until you articulated it, which is, you know,
the risk of how far you push the microphone that
really resonated with me, and many of the things that
I'm sharing with your audience have been validated over time,

(01:24:44):
and it was at considerable risk to be the person
that said things when I was literally a guy on
an island in twenty twenty one, and so to the
to the ogs in the election integrity movement, I have
a cachet and a credibility with those people because I
spoke when it mattered. But there's also been a timing

(01:25:07):
with me too. I'm probably a little bit more aggressive
than most people in trying to future cast and cast
a vision for where I think things.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Need to go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Whether I'm right or wrong, and most cases, given time,
things play out kind of close to what I've been articulating.
But there's always a risk of in faith. I've got
something that I think God's given me this download, and
I think it's true, and I think he wants me

(01:25:37):
to share it because I need to shepherd minds to
be prepared to see themselves in a more empowered way
six months from now. And there's always a risk because
if you're wrong, it's like you're the false prophet or
you're your ex y and Z. And I've struggled with that,
but my instinct is always to risk having people think

(01:26:00):
that I'm crazy or potentially you know, batshit crazy, depending
on what the topic is, if I've integrated it and
I believe it, like okay, so once I've got that conviction.
The only times I've ever had regrets is where I've
run away from my intuition. It kind of sold out
because I wanted to be courted by the right people,

(01:26:22):
and that's made me very, very dangerous for kind of
the top tier podcast the Tuckers of the world. There's
a reason why I haven't been on those shows, Like
I can defend my positions tooth and nail, But I
also get why they might not want that. You know,
it gets back to something that I shared before the

(01:26:44):
show with you that I won't share who is whose
name is? But my largest promotional partner for the film
on the day of the launch pulled the rug from
me and I would have had five million people at
least see that film through this platform. And the reason
being was because that day Rudy Giuliani was hit with

(01:27:07):
one hundred and forty eight million dollar verdict by Ruby
Freeman and Shay Moss and they're in my film featured.
And so the prudent thing is, if you want to
be courted and you want to get the film out,
take them out of the film. And so I actually
have to evaluate these kind of this quid pro quo.

(01:27:29):
I could have a safer film and it'll be seen
by people, But it pisses me off that these treasonous
traders who scanned and rescanned ballots in the heart of
the State farm building, who sold my country out that
put us through hell, that I've got to avoid that
because I'm afraid of litigation. I'm afraid of these corrupt lawyers,

(01:27:50):
and I've been in these depositions for eight hours defending
clients where there's eighteen attorneys on the other side, eighteen
and it's just me and my nation state expert and
they're trying to destroy the man through a giant trap
that you just kind of you get locked into this
place of like what am I? Why am I in
this this movement? Why am I in this battle? And

(01:28:13):
if we're going to battle, let's battle. Let's pull out
the battle acts, let's go after it and we'll see
who's standing. And so that's the only mode that I
know from a standpoint of how to fight in this
space is I don't care if people particularly are bothered
that I criticize the Scott Presslers of the world, who

(01:28:36):
will register seven people at a gun show while in
that same county, fifty three thousand people were deleted off
of a registration base. Like that's a conversation we should have.
But I realize that's going to make me unpopular with
everyone that loves Scott Presler, Right, So that microphone discussion,
I don't know if I've mastered it. Maybe there's a

(01:28:57):
way to do it better because I see the bigger shows.
I'm like, man, if we would have had those megaphones
two years ago, we'd be so further ahead and what
we need to do. And it kind of bothers me
that I have to kind of talk about and telegraph
a military solution because we the people haven't held up

(01:29:19):
our end of the bargain to meet the president halfway,
to take over these local county commission meetings and tell
them to hold certification when there's fraud, Like, why is
that so controversial? And so now we're back in this
passive framework where we're kind of waiting for the president
to save us, and I don't really like that. But
I'm telling you right now, I'm going to take the

(01:29:40):
playing board as I see it. So it's, you know,
to bring the weave in. How do I communicate to
kids and young men and young women in the space.
I've kind of given you an insight in a way
that I think, which is all that matters is the truth.
And life is so frag it's so finite that I

(01:30:02):
don't know if my ticket's going to be punched tomorrow.
I could run through an intersection and it's over. And
so just find your your warriors. The people that you
wanted to yoke with, have the humility to apologize when
you screw up and say something wrong. Correct the record.
I've gotten lots of things wrongs in my evolution over

(01:30:22):
the past five years, but ultimately we should we should
be seeking a target audience of one, and that's christ
If you was in the room right now, like what
would you what would you have me say? What would
you have me do? And that's all that matters, and
then everything else kind of fades to the background, as

(01:30:43):
you know, as noise. Because I really do have this
thought that one day I'm going to be standing before
my maker, and so every decision that I've made over
five years to jeopardize my career my job came from
this sense that I would rather be judged by history

(01:31:04):
than my coward peers at the university, the coward attorneys
that didn't do anything after twenty twenty. And for those
that want to play the game and run a kind
of safe podcast where they've got better numbers and millions
of views. Cool, that's you and great. I wish I
could get on your show, But I'm a punk rocker

(01:31:24):
at heart, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Think it's way cooler to be with the rowdy kids.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
So that's my answer to the ones out there, and
maybe they like it, maybe they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
That's as punk rock as it gets, and that's as
Christian as it gets. Jeez, that's the perfect place to
end this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Thank you, just thank you for your courage to speak
your mind. Thank you for going down into the You know,
I think one of the hardest things is to recognize
that when you're in a battle against evil, just how
overwhelming and how much fear can you know rip through

(01:32:14):
your soul to the point where every step is a
step you feel like you're going to be destroyed. But again,
if you do believe in your real true believer, you
know that Christ is our king, and Christ is our salvation,
and in the righteousness that he shares with his truth,
you know that that is your pathway to salvation. And

(01:32:37):
so I think you're a profound example of the things
that you believe. There are many, many, many of them
that I automatically gravitate to, and I just love so
much the way you communicate you're not for You're not
you know, you're not insisting I believe you're not You're

(01:32:59):
not for me. You're not condemning anybody's other belief systems.
You're just you're you're sharing your story of this remarkable
evolution to truth and and and the fact that you're
still in the fight, and you're still willing to be
in the fight with you have so much at stake
and so much at risk, just proves that you really

(01:33:20):
do believe what you believe, and and that in and
of itself is is noble indeed. So thank you so
much for coming on. Where can people follow you? How
can they pay attention and and and how can they
support you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Well, David, thanks for having me. It's been a wonderful conversation.
And it's rare when I get to have a conversation
with someone who's been an operator in his own right,
who's who's thought through the kind of the intelligence dynamics
of the ever changing narrative landscape.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
And so I was kind of nerding out a little
bit today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
I don't always have the depth of this type of conversation,
so I really appreciate that. But as far as where
you can find me, I've got a website called the
professors Record dot com all one word, the Professor's Record
dot com, and there's little tabs to the different social
media so find me wherever, and I do ask people
to consider follow me at Substack. Every Sunday I put

(01:34:22):
out a weekly article slash short film that kind of
goes through a lot of these topics, and the one
that I just dropped yesterday was on predictive programming and
nonlinear warfare dealing with soft power. So we get into

(01:34:42):
many many movies, you know, stuff like Top Gun. Why
was it that in the bomber Jacket in part two
you don't have the Taiwan flag or Japan It's geometric shapes.
What's the significance of ELSA and the timing of Frozen
when that materialized, when Hillary Clinton was kind of an
ice queen trying to melt the hearts of the American people.

(01:35:05):
We get into all of that in this episode. So
every Sunday I'm trying to give people a meditation. But
many the things that we touched on today are in
previous episodes where I walk people through history and the
things that I'm wrestling with, and maybe there's a little
bit of wish fulfillment on. I don't know if you

(01:35:26):
see it as clearly as I do, mister President, but
I sure hope you've got the best, brightest military minds
behind you to help us get our country back, and
so that's where my focus has been for the past
six months.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Amen, Thank you so much, Professor. Thanks Dave,

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