In this episode, Brent Scher, Editor-in-Chief of The Daily Wire, opens up about his path from studying Russian foreign affairs to leading one of America’s fastest-growing media outlets. Scher discusses the evolution of journalism in the digital age, the challenges of maintaining authenticity in a world driven by algorithms, and how The Daily Wire approaches controversial issues like gender and culture. He also shares his perspective on New York City’s shifting identity, the power of real human connection in media, and why mentorship is essential for cultivating the next generation of journalists. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowood Show on iHeart Review.
My guest today is Brent Sure. Brent is editor in
chief at The Daily Wire. Hi, Brent, so nice to
have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, Carol, great to be on. I've always wanted to
be on your show.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This is I was so excited to have you. I
didn't know you always wanted to be on. It would
have had you on earlier.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I think I tried though, actually, and you might have
not responded. So yeah, my daughter likes to say the
bush is mistakes were made.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Might have been my fault. Might
have been my fault.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So we were joking before we started rolling that. In
your profile, you have that you're a New Yorker, and
I feel like that's something I used to have.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
In my profile, but I don't anymore. Still feel a
lot of pride in that.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think I do.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Actually, I always take a lot of pride in being
in New York or now I'm down in Nashville, Tennessee,
or dayli Ware's based. But you know, being a New
Yorker is about more than what the current state of
New York is. I feel like me and you get
along actually because we're both New Yorkers and like the
good way of being a New Yorker, like the attitude
of New Yorker. It's like I get along with every
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New Yorker I almost ever meet.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Right, how about the recent arrivals.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't think that New York that exists now is
the New York of our youth, which I don't think
people talk.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Like us, or or act like us or anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's actually such a good point.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Like when I first when I first graduated from college
and started going back to New York, I immediately liked
New York less because I was hanging out with you know,
I was hanging out with other twenty somethings, and there
were twenty somethings that had moved to New York after college.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right, they're not New Yorkers. We liked the people that
you know.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Were born there and maybe not born there, but lived there,
grew up there, yea, were formed by New York and
the New York experiences, and like you can tell when
somebody else is like it's a real yeah. They have
a different vibe and approach to everything. And we tend
to have the same thoughts about types of people.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, it's like when those kids from Westchester would be like,
I'm from New York and we'd have to be like, no,
not Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I even asked like, are you really from New York
and they all say, no, I mean just outside of
New York.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I mean I'm outside in New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I was telling somebody this story before. I'm just such
a New Yorker because as a kid.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We didn't have a car like that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Fairly, I barely left the island of Manhattan. I don't
think I've ever been into the state of Connecticut, not
only the like you know, I've never been there, and
now people are lived.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
There and in New York. Right.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah. It's like every time somebody asked me whether I
think I can move back to New York, they're like, yeah,
I mean you move to like Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Right, you know, that's not part of the city.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, that's not what moving back to New York means.
There is, and it's just not gonna it's not the
cards for me.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's not well.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I appreciate it sounds like you think Brooklyn is part
of New York, which is a big plus for me.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's definitely part of New York.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I just barely went there because I was from Manhattan
and you know enough, you yeah, there's enough to do there.
And I was when you're less than when you're a
kid in high school, you.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Know, yeah, Manhattan's the city.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You know when people are like, no, no, Brooklyn is
the city too, Like, no, it's not.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Nobody is like you know.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
People are always like, I'm moving to the new Brooklyn
and it's like some talent or whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But nobody's ever like I'm in the New Manhattan. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean you could tell by the address. I
mean it's it's Brooklyn, New York. And then it's not Manhattan,
New York.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
New York. It's New York, New York. There's only one
New York, New York, and it is that one.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Burrough So did you always want to be in media?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, not at all. It was actually a complete act.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
So how did this happen? Tell us everything?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So I was in college.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I went to the University of Virginia, and it's actually
a funny story. I'm not sure if I've ever told
you this. I was a Russian foreign affairs major. No,
and my first job out of college was at the
American Enterprise Institute. AI was like an internship in the
Russian studies department, which was great, and I was so
(04:39):
excited until they realized that I didn't speak Russian and
they moved me over to the politics section of AI,
and then I got really into polling and you know,
elections campaigns. And it was through AI that I met
Matt Continetti, who gave me my first job, the Free Beacon,
(05:01):
and then I learned journalism and learned to love journalism
and media and the whole you know, funner side of politics,
which is where it's all being fought.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Out in the media and journalism.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So what were you going to do with the Russian
Foreign Policy degree?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I have no idea. I mean I went to a
thank tank. I mean I was doing well. We criticize
a lot of young kids for doing now is they
went to college and they studied what they loved, and like,
you know, I really loved foreign affairs and learning about
war and history and the Cold War and all that,
and then I was going to figure out what I
do later, which is what so many kids do now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They do it now with like one hundred thousand dollars
plus debt, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, and then they all go to law school and
pick up another two hundred and fifty thousand in debt,
and then they need to live miserable lives as long.
So I was doing that, but thankfully I got rescued
by the journalism.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Failed, which probably very few people have ever.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Said, wow, yeah, that is actually here, like I didn't
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Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right after this. So were you always right of center
growing up in New York?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
You know? I try and think of when I really
became right of center? And the answer is the New
York City subway.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh yeah, I was never known that'll do it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Not even just what it was.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It was that I lived uptown and I went to
High School way downtown at Stuyvesant, and I had like
a fifty minute draw up subway ride and I would
get the New York Post everything.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I have to make the joke though, hold on, my
husband went to Stuyvesant. People who went to Stuyvesant drop it.
In the first ten minutes of conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, we're talking about New York City.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, no, sure, of course.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know, I went to like a little school. You
may have heard of Stuyvesant.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, who's never heard of the schools is Roan mom, Donnie.
Because he didn't get in.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I didn't get it out too there either, I have
to it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know, well, you're not trying to be mayor, though,
I choke for you if you were.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right right, So, okay, you were commuting to Divesant, Okay,
you guys, And.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's a long I'd get the Post and all I
cared about was sports, So you'd read the Post backwards
from the sports section, and once you were done with it,
the first thing you got hit with was the Post
opinion page, which when I was in high school was
a Charles Crowdhammer column every day.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know, you had Rich.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Lowry, John Potteritz. You'd get all these just really smart conservatives.
And it was right after nine to eleven, and there
was a lot of discussions about you know, war, what
we were doing in the Middle East, what George Bush
was doing, and it was a it was a fun
time to be reading conservative commentary. Yeah, but that was
(09:32):
kind of my first introduction to politics and campaigns and
all that. So Charles Crowdhammer through the New York Post
opinion page, he was so great, made me a conservative.
And I'm sure there are a lot of people who
say that Charles Crowdhammer made them a conservatives, and they're
probably the smartest conservatives among us.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What would have been a plan be for you had
this whole writing thing not worked out.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's a tough question.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I mean, I guess I probably would have done exactly
what I say.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm glad I didn't do and go to law school and.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Figure that whole world out, because that's what you do
when you're into you know, debate and politics, and that's
sort of thing you.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Know when you're bad at math, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I almost went to law school because I was good
at like the things that lead you to law school
and not the things that you know, lead you to
med school.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I think that would have been fun and now, actually,
I mean I think it would be good for conservatives.
And there are so many right of center kind of
law firms and legal groups that are popping up right now.
And I mean, you never used to think of like
building a legal infrastructure and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
How important that would be.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
But now in the today's world where everything is just
so totally polarized, and like you know, there's a conservative
cell phone company and a liberal cell phone company. You
need the hard meat Dylan groups of the world, and
you need ADF and you need America First legal.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So maybe it would have done the world good if I.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Went that's too late. It's just you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
My husband, he who went to Stuyvesant, talked to me
out of going to law school when we were just friends,
and he said, I don't know any happy lawyers. So
you know, take to take that for what it's worth.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, I mean it's true, it's really for some They
may say it's a fulfilling profession, but like it's a lot.
And the other thing, I mean, my favorite thing about
journalism and even when I was starting, I was doing
campaigns and elections and every day because depending on the
state and where you were, it was a different issue
and something you were learning about that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Was like just so new esoteric.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, and you become this well rounded person who can
like talk about anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You're at a bar and you meet somebody from az and.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're like, oh, yeah, I know that ballot measure, that
ballot measure you guys just voted on.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
That was me.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And now as editor at Daily Wire, I mean we
cover so many things, I mean does so many different things,
Like I couldn't think of a more like daily challenging
and also fulfilling an interesting profession, like if you're a
lawyer and you're really good at contract work.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like yeah, man, that sucks. Sucks. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Do you feel like you have a lane at Daily
Wire that you guys cover more or better than anybody else.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I mean, I think the obvious answer in that, and
I think it's known to the world is that we
cover gender and gender insanity and gender ideology better than
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And I mean last.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Friday, I was so proud of our gender coverage because
we had Luke Rosiak, who's one of the best investigative
journalists I've ever met. He was in the courtroom or
the whole verdict in the Nicholas Rowsky transgender claiming assassin.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, for those who don't know, that is the attempted
killer of Judge Justice Kavanaugh.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And he got a really light sentence.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Because the judge said, well, I don't know what the
judge said, but the judge gave him a light sentence
because of his claim that he's transgender.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah, and I mean, what I'll say is the reason
that we even know all that to be true is
because Luke Rosiak was in the room. If we were
relying on our standard court reporters who usually cover this
sort of thing, yeah, I mean the story that you heard,
and it's the story that was reported in the New
York Times, the Washington.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Post is that Sophie Rosky.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Not the name, it's Nicholas Rowski, a woman, was sentenced,
and like that's basically it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
She got eight years.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
What Lucroziac tells you is actually what happened is the
whole day was his whole family coming out and telling
this sob story. The entire narrative was we have this
transgender person. It's this tough childhood and upbringing actually made
it harder and led him to doing this. And worst
(14:20):
of all is that the judge said that it is
Trump's executive order, Trump's executive order that said people must
go to the federal prison. That coincid that the actual
sex like Nicholas Rosky will be in a man's prison.
The judge used that as a factor, saying, well, we
(14:43):
don't like that, so we're going to give him a
lighter sentence. So not only did we have that, Yeah,
it's it's just disgusting, and they're the ones politicizing it.
We're just reporting the facts. And then we had Mary
Margaret Olahan, who's another terrific report.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Look won't come on the show.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He says he doesn't see any upside to talking about himself, which, oh.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
No, I understand it, and I envy that all changes nine, Carol,
I promise all right.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Good.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
She reported first that the administration and Department of Justice
was really mad about this and was going to appeal
the case. And I mean, I don't know this, but
part of the reason they have to do that is
because they know that if they don't, we're going to
be on them and criticizing the heads. And so it's
(15:34):
like our actual reporting of the facts on that issue.
It's a place where not a lot of people are
willing to or want to report the truth.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's ba We're just so great.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's important.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
It's so it's so important. But what I'm trying to
do is make us more versatile and like have all
sorts of issues where we're just great at covering that
we're good at covering, like the religious freedom issue, First
Amendment issue. There's a lot of things we're really great at.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But I want to get a really superstar team.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
You really do, thank you, and I want to get
them on the front row of like the things that
matter to the country, like Luke being in that courtroom mattered.
And for a long time, conservative media has kind of
been right, okay with covering on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We'll let the New York Times report the.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Facts and then woll spin it and like put it
in our own frame. Now we can't even trust the
New York Times and writers to report the facts. So
now we have to take that on and go and
do it and do the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I'm so excited about the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Actually, it's like what drives me every day is like
that we're actually needed.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, that gets excited.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's such an exciting change because you're right.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It was never conservative reporters going out and finding out
the information. We would just be reacting to the news.
I love what Deli Wire is doing. I think that
you guys have a really just incredible squad and you know, despite.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Luke not wanting to come on the show whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But otherwise otherwise I really really enjoy all the work
that you guys are doing there.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So what are you most proud of in your life?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
So that I have a two pronged answer for you here,
all right, Obviously, what I'm most proud of in my
life is my kids, and like razing them and just
having them.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm like embarrassingly proud of my.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Kids sometimes, like I was on a plane with my
wife the other day and my wife and my three kids,
and the amount of times that my two toddlers had
to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was like six times. But like walking down.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Checking out bathrooms.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
It's because the airport bathrooms a cool and a little
scary but kind of cool and just I like beam
with pride walking down that aisle.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And seeing people look at my kids and like.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Smile, do you see this? Do you see my kids
going to look at the bathroom?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I love taking my kids, like to places where kids
usually aren't expected, like bars and restaurants and concerts and
just walking around and being the guy with his kids
there like and just seeing them grow and it's just
the most proud thing. But what I was to say is,
I've always even before I had kids, And my oldest
(18:36):
one turns five tomorrow. Wow, so it hasn't been that
long since I've got kids. But I've loved both a
Daily Wire and the Free Beacon working with young people
and kids, and like, I love when I see people
now at different outlets who have like incredible stories and
(18:57):
I'm like, that was my.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Intern and I.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Remember teaching them how to write a lead and how
to write a headline and all this stuff. Like I
am most proud of the journalists that I've worked with
and how good they are doing in life, because like
I just want to it's so important that outlets like
the Free Beacon, which I was there for eleven years
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or twelve years, and like the amount of people that
came through there who are now doing like amazing incredible things,
Like that's so important for conservatism and journalism, not even conservatism,
teaching young writers how to be journalists and now seeing
them some of them are at the New York Times
who are at the Free Beacon, like we're we're everywhere,
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and like teaching people how to do what I love
is definitely what I'm most proud of.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I love that it's a really great answer, and I'm
sure that you're a.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Very good boss because of that.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Wanting to see people succeed is such an amazing human trait.
People who don't have that it.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Really bugs me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I know.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
The hardest part in it's a good like, I guess
metric for people who are going to work in my
team is people who don't want to succeed, Like when
you run into those people who like don't want to
be I don't want people on my team who don't
want to one day be a very successful, impactful journalist.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
This isn't just a job.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, very easier ways to earn a salary totally journalism.
And if you're just doing it for a salary, go
find one of those things. If you're doing this, like
listen to me and work with me. And you know,
I learned so much from them too. So like just
the hole back and forth is I want my people
involved in.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Markowitz Show. So you spend a
lot of your time obviously, you know in the news
of the day and.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Give us a five year out prediction, and it could
be about the news, or it could be about your
sports team or whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I don't want to discuss any of the five year
outlooks for my sports teams.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Are your teams.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm a Mets fan.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I'm a Jets fan next, and actually kind of I'm
weak on the Knicks, but I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm a big New York Islanders fan.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I don't know how to actually, but I've adopted the Panthers. Sorry,
I never had a hockey team, so it's not nice,
not like I'm cheating on anybody, but I needed a
Florida team and I had an opening and they're doing great.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a really nice team to adopt.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
The Islanders are not doing great, but we had the
first pick in the draft last year and drafted like
this amazing kid. He's seventeen years old and that's a
great story. So they might be good. But my real
world prediction for five years out, and it's something that
I grapple with a lot, and I think that probably
everybody in news and media grapples with, is what AI
(21:59):
looks like in five years, because there's this big belief
that it's going to take over everything, and if you're
not learning to like basically integrate it and have it
take over all of these tasks, you're going to fall behind.
I actually think that in five years we realize that
there are these major, major limitations of AI, and then
(22:21):
it's actually not everything, and the people that started to
rely on it too much in twenty twenty five are
going to be screwed in twenty thirty, especially on a
journalism in the journalism world, because right now AI is
so good at finding the information out there that it
(22:44):
has access to and spinning it to you. In five years,
it will completely replace search engines and all that, But
what it will not replace is journalism and presenting the
information because you actually need to at that in real time,
and a good journalist is extracting information and then explaining
(23:08):
it in a way that their audience really wants it.
That cannot be replaced, I don't think by a robot.
And it's my challenge to reporters now, it's like, if
all you could do is what AI can do, then
you will be replaced. But this is actually amazing because
it's an opportunity for you to specialize. We don't need
(23:28):
to worry about AI will be great at spitting the
breaking news out to you in a news feed, It
won't be great about nailing Chuck Schumer on why he's
lying to you about the shutdown. So it actually frees
you up to do the real journalism, like the real digging.
So my prediction is that people that rely right now
(23:49):
too much on AI and change too many of their functions.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Over to AI, yeah, will be at a loss.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, They're gonna have no talented people in a few
years because the rest of us were figuring out how
to aid our journalism with AI, and that's gonna hopefully.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Be something that we're good at and a lot of
our friends are good at. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I actually don't see where AI can replace different some
you know, journalism functions, because people do like to hear
a voice, and maybe I'm being naive, maybe people will
hear the AI voice and associate.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It with something.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But I like to read articles and columns and know
who the writer is and hear their point of view,
because everybody has a point of view, and I don't
see AI replacing that so yeah, you know, I'll go
ahead and agree with your prediction, but we'll check back
in in five years and see if you were right.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah. Just you're so right on that point.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And that's why, like Twitter has done this in a
lot of ways or X, it's putting the personalities.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Behind the news again.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, and since it's so hard to decide who you'd
actually trust and what facts you'll truyt actually knowing who
the person is and seeing their kind of daily music, right,
that's important, And then you are when something breaks on
the transgender issue. I hope that people run to Mary
Margaret and Luke Rosiac because they'll know they'll get the
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actual things and they know that they like see how
they work and are hearing from it first.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
So AI will never replace that.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I have loved this conversation, Brent. I've always wanted to
know more about you. Now I know you went to Stuyvesant,
so you know that's big. Leave us here with your
best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
their lives.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Goes right off. AI actually would just go out, but
not fully.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Just go out and hang out with real people and
your friends, talking to them by text and having relationships
go down to just text.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, really ruins so much.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean, I when we first moved to Nashville, it
took us a while to you know, find a community
and our friends and thankfully my wife that I hang
out with all the time. But going back to DC
and New York when I'm there and now here in Nashville,
I mean, I've been here for two years. But like,
there's just such a difference in how you treat people
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and think about things once you've discussed them and hung
out at a bar to talk about it. Like, real
human interaction is so important. And I think people got.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That after COVID.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
They realize they like him called weren't really it right.
It's so easy to FaceTime with your family and all
that stuff, but nothing replaces actually being there in person,
and you treat people so much different, and you just
it's so much more fun.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean, so that is my big advice.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Do not let human interaction becomes something that barely exists
in your life.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
IRL is the best. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He is, Brent Sure check out his work at The
Daily Wire, follow him on X.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Thank you so much, Brent.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thanks Carol,
Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowood Show on iHeart Review.
My guest today is Brent Sure. Brent is editor in
chief at The Daily Wire. Hi, Brent, so nice to
have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, Carol, great to be on. I've always wanted to
be on your show.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This is I was so excited to have you. I
didn't know you always wanted to be on. It would
have had you on earlier.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I think I tried though, actually, and you might have
not responded. So yeah, my daughter likes to say the
bush is mistakes were made.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Might have been my fault. Might
have been my fault.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So we were joking before we started rolling that. In
your profile, you have that you're a New Yorker, and
I feel like that's something I used to have.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
In my profile, but I don't anymore. Still feel a
lot of pride in that.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think I do.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Actually, I always take a lot of pride in being
in New York or now I'm down in Nashville, Tennessee,
or dayli Ware's based. But you know, being a New
Yorker is about more than what the current state of
New York is. I feel like me and you get
along actually because we're both New Yorkers and like the
good way of being a New Yorker, like the attitude
of New Yorker. It's like I get along with every
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New Yorker I almost ever meet.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Right, how about the recent arrivals.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't think that New York that exists now is
the New York of our youth, which I don't think
people talk.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Like us, or or act like us or anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's actually such a good point.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Like when I first when I first graduated from college
and started going back to New York, I immediately liked
New York less because I was hanging out with you know,
I was hanging out with other twenty somethings, and there
were twenty somethings that had moved to New York after college.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right, they're not New Yorkers. We liked the people that
you know.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Were born there and maybe not born there, but lived there,
grew up there, yea, were formed by New York and
the New York experiences, and like you can tell when
somebody else is like it's a real yeah. They have
a different vibe and approach to everything. And we tend
to have the same thoughts about types of people.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, it's like when those kids from Westchester would be like,
I'm from New York and we'd have to be like, no,
not Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I even asked like, are you really from New York
and they all say, no, I mean just outside of
New York.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I mean I'm outside in New Jersey.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I was telling somebody this story before. I'm just such
a New Yorker because as a kid.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We didn't have a car like that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Fairly, I barely left the island of Manhattan. I don't
think I've ever been into the state of Connecticut, not
only the like you know, I've never been there, and
now people are lived.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
There and in New York. Right.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah. It's like every time somebody asked me whether I
think I can move back to New York, they're like, yeah,
I mean you move to like Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Right, you know, that's not part of the city.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, that's not what moving back to New York means.
There is, and it's just not gonna it's not the
cards for me.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's not well.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I appreciate it sounds like you think Brooklyn is part
of New York, which is a big plus for me.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's definitely part of New York.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I just barely went there because I was from Manhattan
and you know enough, you yeah, there's enough to do there.
And I was when you're less than when you're a
kid in high school, you.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Know, yeah, Manhattan's the city.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You know when people are like, no, no, Brooklyn is
the city too, Like, no, it's not.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Nobody is like you know.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
People are always like, I'm moving to the new Brooklyn
and it's like some talent or whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But nobody's ever like I'm in the New Manhattan. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean you could tell by the address. I
mean it's it's Brooklyn, New York. And then it's not Manhattan,
New York.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
New York. It's New York, New York. There's only one
New York, New York, and it is that one.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Burrough So did you always want to be in media?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, not at all. It was actually a complete act.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
So how did this happen? Tell us everything?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So I was in college.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I went to the University of Virginia, and it's actually
a funny story. I'm not sure if I've ever told
you this. I was a Russian foreign affairs major. No,
and my first job out of college was at the
American Enterprise Institute. AI was like an internship in the
Russian studies department, which was great, and I was so
(04:39):
excited until they realized that I didn't speak Russian and
they moved me over to the politics section of AI,
and then I got really into polling and you know,
elections campaigns. And it was through AI that I met
Matt Continetti, who gave me my first job, the Free Beacon,
(05:01):
and then I learned journalism and learned to love journalism
and media and the whole you know, funner side of politics,
which is where it's all being fought.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Out in the media and journalism.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So what were you going to do with the Russian
Foreign Policy degree?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I have no idea. I mean I went to a
thank tank. I mean I was doing well. We criticize
a lot of young kids for doing now is they
went to college and they studied what they loved, and like,
you know, I really loved foreign affairs and learning about
war and history and the Cold War and all that,
and then I was going to figure out what I
do later, which is what so many kids do now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Sure, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They do it now with like one hundred thousand dollars
plus debt, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, and then they all go to law school and
pick up another two hundred and fifty thousand in debt,
and then they need to live miserable lives as long.
So I was doing that, but thankfully I got rescued
by the journalism.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Failed, which probably very few people have ever.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Said, wow, yeah, that is actually here, like I didn't
go into debt and said I went into journalism.
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Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right after this. So were you always right of center
growing up in New York?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
You know? I try and think of when I really
became right of center? And the answer is the New
York City subway.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh yeah, I was never known that'll do it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Not even just what it was.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It was that I lived uptown and I went to
High School way downtown at Stuyvesant, and I had like
a fifty minute draw up subway ride and I would
get the New York Post everything.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I have to make the joke though, hold on, my
husband went to Stuyvesant. People who went to Stuyvesant drop it.
In the first ten minutes of conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, we're talking about New York City.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, no, sure, of course.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
You know, I went to like a little school. You
may have heard of Stuyvesant.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, who's never heard of the schools is Roan mom, Donnie.
Because he didn't get in.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I didn't get it out too there either, I have
to it.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know, well, you're not trying to be mayor, though,
I choke for you if you were.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right right, So, okay, you were commuting to Divesant, Okay,
you guys, And.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's a long I'd get the Post and all I
cared about was sports, So you'd read the Post backwards
from the sports section, and once you were done with it,
the first thing you got hit with was the Post
opinion page, which when I was in high school was
a Charles Crowdhammer column every day.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know, you had Rich.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Lowry, John Potteritz. You'd get all these just really smart conservatives.
And it was right after nine to eleven, and there
was a lot of discussions about you know, war, what
we were doing in the Middle East, what George Bush
was doing, and it was a it was a fun
time to be reading conservative commentary. Yeah, but that was
(09:32):
kind of my first introduction to politics and campaigns and
all that. So Charles Crowdhammer through the New York Post
opinion page, he was so great, made me a conservative.
And I'm sure there are a lot of people who
say that Charles Crowdhammer made them a conservatives, and they're
probably the smartest conservatives among us.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What would have been a plan be for you had
this whole writing thing not worked out.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That's a tough question.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I mean, I guess I probably would have done exactly
what I say.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm glad I didn't do and go to law school and.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Figure that whole world out, because that's what you do
when you're into you know, debate and politics, and that's
sort of thing you.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Know when you're bad at math, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I almost went to law school because I was good
at like the things that lead you to law school
and not the things that you know, lead you to
med school.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I think that would have been fun and now, actually,
I mean I think it would be good for conservatives.
And there are so many right of center kind of
law firms and legal groups that are popping up right now.
And I mean, you never used to think of like
building a legal infrastructure and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
How important that would be.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
But now in the today's world where everything is just
so totally polarized, and like you know, there's a conservative
cell phone company and a liberal cell phone company. You
need the hard meat Dylan groups of the world, and
you need ADF and you need America First legal.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So maybe it would have done the world good if I.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Went that's too late. It's just you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
My husband, he who went to Stuyvesant, talked to me
out of going to law school when we were just friends,
and he said, I don't know any happy lawyers. So
you know, take to take that for what it's worth.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, I mean it's true, it's really for some They
may say it's a fulfilling profession, but like it's a lot.
And the other thing, I mean, my favorite thing about
journalism and even when I was starting, I was doing
campaigns and elections and every day because depending on the
state and where you were, it was a different issue
and something you were learning about that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Was like just so new esoteric.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, and you become this well rounded person who can
like talk about anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You're at a bar and you meet somebody from az and.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You're like, oh, yeah, I know that ballot measure, that
ballot measure you guys just voted on.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
That was me.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And now as editor at Daily Wire, I mean we
cover so many things, I mean does so many different things,
Like I couldn't think of a more like daily challenging
and also fulfilling an interesting profession, like if you're a
lawyer and you're really good at contract work.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like yeah, man, that sucks. Sucks. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Do you feel like you have a lane at Daily
Wire that you guys cover more or better than anybody else.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I mean, I think the obvious answer in that, and
I think it's known to the world is that we
cover gender and gender insanity and gender ideology better than
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And I mean last.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Friday, I was so proud of our gender coverage because
we had Luke Rosiak, who's one of the best investigative
journalists I've ever met. He was in the courtroom or
the whole verdict in the Nicholas Rowsky transgender claiming assassin.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, for those who don't know, that is the attempted
killer of Judge Justice Kavanaugh.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And he got a really light sentence.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Because the judge said, well, I don't know what the
judge said, but the judge gave him a light sentence
because of his claim that he's transgender.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah, and I mean, what I'll say is the reason
that we even know all that to be true is
because Luke Rosiak was in the room. If we were
relying on our standard court reporters who usually cover this
sort of thing, yeah, I mean the story that you heard,
and it's the story that was reported in the New
York Times, the Washington.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Post is that Sophie Rosky.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Not the name, it's Nicholas Rowski, a woman, was sentenced,
and like that's basically it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
She got eight years.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
What Lucroziac tells you is actually what happened is the
whole day was his whole family coming out and telling
this sob story. The entire narrative was we have this
transgender person. It's this tough childhood and upbringing actually made
it harder and led him to doing this. And worst
(14:20):
of all is that the judge said that it is
Trump's executive order, Trump's executive order that said people must
go to the federal prison. That coincid that the actual
sex like Nicholas Rosky will be in a man's prison.
The judge used that as a factor, saying, well, we
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don't like that, so we're going to give him a
lighter sentence. So not only did we have that, Yeah,
it's it's just disgusting, and they're the ones politicizing it.
We're just reporting the facts. And then we had Mary
Margaret Olahan, who's another terrific report.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Look won't come on the show.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He says he doesn't see any upside to talking about himself, which, oh.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
No, I understand it, and I envy that all changes nine, Carol,
I promise all right.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Good.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
She reported first that the administration and Department of Justice
was really mad about this and was going to appeal
the case. And I mean, I don't know this, but
part of the reason they have to do that is
because they know that if they don't, we're going to
be on them and criticizing the heads. And so it's
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like our actual reporting of the facts on that issue.
It's a place where not a lot of people are
willing to or want to report the truth.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's ba We're just so great.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's important.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
It's so it's so important. But what I'm trying to
do is make us more versatile and like have all
sorts of issues where we're just great at covering that
we're good at covering, like the religious freedom issue, First
Amendment issue. There's a lot of things we're really great at.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But I want to get a really superstar team.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
You really do, thank you, and I want to get
them on the front row of like the things that
matter to the country, like Luke being in that courtroom mattered.
And for a long time, conservative media has kind of
been right, okay with covering on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We'll let the New York Times report the.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Facts and then woll spin it and like put it
in our own frame. Now we can't even trust the
New York Times and writers to report the facts. So
now we have to take that on and go and
do it and do the thing.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I'm so excited about the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Actually, it's like what drives me every day is like
that we're actually needed.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, that gets excited.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's such an exciting change because you're right.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It was never conservative reporters going out and finding out
the information. We would just be reacting to the news.
I love what Deli Wire is doing. I think that
you guys have a really just incredible squad and you know, despite.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Luke not wanting to come on the show whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But otherwise otherwise I really really enjoy all the work
that you guys are doing there.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So what are you most proud of in your life?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
So that I have a two pronged answer for you here,
all right, Obviously, what I'm most proud of in my
life is my kids, and like razing them and just
having them.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm like embarrassingly proud of my.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Kids sometimes, like I was on a plane with my
wife the other day and my wife and my three kids,
and the amount of times that my two toddlers had
to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was like six times. But like walking down.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Checking out bathrooms.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
It's because the airport bathrooms a cool and a little
scary but kind of cool and just I like beam
with pride walking down that aisle.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And seeing people look at my kids and like.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Smile, do you see this? Do you see my kids
going to look at the bathroom?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I love taking my kids, like to places where kids
usually aren't expected, like bars and restaurants and concerts and
just walking around and being the guy with his kids
there like and just seeing them grow and it's just
the most proud thing. But what I was to say is,
I've always even before I had kids, And my oldest
(18:36):
one turns five tomorrow. Wow, so it hasn't been that
long since I've got kids. But I've loved both a
Daily Wire and the Free Beacon working with young people
and kids, and like, I love when I see people
now at different outlets who have like incredible stories and
(18:57):
I'm like, that was my.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Intern and I.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Remember teaching them how to write a lead and how
to write a headline and all this stuff. Like I
am most proud of the journalists that I've worked with
and how good they are doing in life, because like
I just want to it's so important that outlets like
the Free Beacon, which I was there for eleven years
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or twelve years, and like the amount of people that
came through there who are now doing like amazing incredible things,
Like that's so important for conservatism and journalism, not even conservatism,
teaching young writers how to be journalists and now seeing
them some of them are at the New York Times
who are at the Free Beacon, like we're we're everywhere,
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and like teaching people how to do what I love
is definitely what I'm most proud of.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I love that it's a really great answer, and I'm
sure that you're a.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Very good boss because of that.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Wanting to see people succeed is such an amazing human trait.
People who don't have that it.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Really bugs me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I know.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
The hardest part in it's a good like, I guess
metric for people who are going to work in my
team is people who don't want to succeed, Like when
you run into those people who like don't want to
be I don't want people on my team who don't
want to one day be a very successful, impactful journalist.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
This isn't just a job.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, very easier ways to earn a salary totally journalism.
And if you're just doing it for a salary, go
find one of those things. If you're doing this, like
listen to me and work with me. And you know,
I learned so much from them too. So like just
the hole back and forth is I want my people
involved in.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Markowitz Show. So you spend a
lot of your time obviously, you know in the news
of the day and.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Give us a five year out prediction, and it could
be about the news, or it could be about your
sports team or whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I don't want to discuss any of the five year
outlooks for my sports teams.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Are your teams.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm a Mets fan.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I'm a Jets fan next, and actually kind of I'm
weak on the Knicks, but I'm a Knicks fan.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm a big New York Islanders fan.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I don't know how to actually, but I've adopted the Panthers. Sorry,
I never had a hockey team, so it's not nice,
not like I'm cheating on anybody, but I needed a
Florida team and I had an opening and they're doing great.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a really nice team to adopt.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
The Islanders are not doing great, but we had the
first pick in the draft last year and drafted like
this amazing kid. He's seventeen years old and that's a
great story. So they might be good. But my real
world prediction for five years out, and it's something that
I grapple with a lot, and I think that probably
everybody in news and media grapples with, is what AI
(21:59):
looks like in five years, because there's this big belief
that it's going to take over everything, and if you're
not learning to like basically integrate it and have it
take over all of these tasks, you're going to fall behind.
I actually think that in five years we realize that
there are these major, major limitations of AI, and then
(22:21):
it's actually not everything, and the people that started to
rely on it too much in twenty twenty five are
going to be screwed in twenty thirty, especially on a
journalism in the journalism world, because right now AI is
so good at finding the information out there that it
(22:44):
has access to and spinning it to you. In five years,
it will completely replace search engines and all that, But
what it will not replace is journalism and presenting the
information because you actually need to at that in real time,
and a good journalist is extracting information and then explaining
(23:08):
it in a way that their audience really wants it.
That cannot be replaced, I don't think by a robot.
And it's my challenge to reporters now, it's like, if
all you could do is what AI can do, then
you will be replaced. But this is actually amazing because
it's an opportunity for you to specialize. We don't need
(23:28):
to worry about AI will be great at spitting the
breaking news out to you in a news feed, It
won't be great about nailing Chuck Schumer on why he's
lying to you about the shutdown. So it actually frees
you up to do the real journalism, like the real digging.
So my prediction is that people that rely right now
(23:49):
too much on AI and change too many of their functions.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Over to AI, yeah, will be at a loss.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, They're gonna have no talented people in a few
years because the rest of us were figuring out how
to aid our journalism with AI, and that's gonna hopefully.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Be something that we're good at and a lot of
our friends are good at. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I actually don't see where AI can replace different some
you know, journalism functions, because people do like to hear
a voice, and maybe I'm being naive, maybe people will
hear the AI voice and associate.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It with something.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But I like to read articles and columns and know
who the writer is and hear their point of view,
because everybody has a point of view, and I don't
see AI replacing that so yeah, you know, I'll go
ahead and agree with your prediction, but we'll check back
in in five years and see if you were right.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah. Just you're so right on that point.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And that's why, like Twitter has done this in a
lot of ways or X, it's putting the personalities.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Behind the news again.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, and since it's so hard to decide who you'd
actually trust and what facts you'll truyt actually knowing who
the person is and seeing their kind of daily music, right,
that's important, And then you are when something breaks on
the transgender issue. I hope that people run to Mary
Margaret and Luke Rosiac because they'll know they'll get the
(25:17):
actual things and they know that they like see how
they work and are hearing from it first.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
So AI will never replace that.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I have loved this conversation, Brent. I've always wanted to
know more about you. Now I know you went to Stuyvesant,
so you know that's big. Leave us here with your
best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
their lives.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Goes right off. AI actually would just go out, but
not fully.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Just go out and hang out with real people and
your friends, talking to them by text and having relationships
go down to just text.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, really ruins so much.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean, I when we first moved to Nashville, it
took us a while to you know, find a community
and our friends and thankfully my wife that I hang
out with all the time. But going back to DC
and New York when I'm there and now here in Nashville,
I mean, I've been here for two years. But like,
there's just such a difference in how you treat people
(26:19):
and think about things once you've discussed them and hung
out at a bar to talk about it. Like, real
human interaction is so important. And I think people got.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That after COVID.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
They realize they like him called weren't really it right.
It's so easy to FaceTime with your family and all
that stuff, but nothing replaces actually being there in person,
and you treat people so much different, and you just
it's so much more fun.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean, so that is my big advice.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Do not let human interaction becomes something that barely exists
in your life.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
IRL is the best. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He is, Brent Sure check out his work at The
Daily Wire, follow him on X.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Thank you so much, Brent.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thanks Carol,
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