June 11, 2025 • 19 mins
In this episode, Karol interviews activist Quisha King about her journey into education advocacy. Quisha shares how questioning mainstream narratives led her to activism, particularly around critical race theory in schools. She discusses founding the Mass Exodus Movement to help parents find alternatives to public education, her work with Moms for Liberty, and the challenges she’s faced. The conversation explores indoctrination in schools, the importance of parental involvement, and Quisha’s belief in authenticity and faith as guiding principles for navigating today’s cultural and educational landscape. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Martha Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
My guest today is Keisha King.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Keisha is host of The Keisha King Show and the
founder of the Mass Exodus movement.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hi, Kisha, is so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hey, Carol, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So you and I were very much in the school
trenches together over the last few years. I have been
such a fan of yours and we've met on a
number of occasions. I think you're just terrific. How did
you get into this world?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What made you go be an activist?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, first some we say thanks for having me on.
I love everything that you've done as well the book
everything that you're quoted of.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
My book I interviewed you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes, that's right, that's right, And I was one of
the first purchasers. I must say, as.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Gone, thank you, very appreciated.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Absolutely. Yeah. So I got into this world a little
bit differently than most people. I think it was a
kind of a spiritual experience. I was having a conversation
about BLM with a close family member and I said
I was going to go look up the statistics on
the unarmed black men and police interactions and looked it
(01:14):
up and I was completely blown away. It was like
less than ten and I didn't really know what to
make of it, because you know, there were all these riots.
Why are all these riots happening when clearly there's more
of an issue with black on black crime, and so
just pondering the stuff, I started doing more research, found
doctor Thomas Soule, Walter William's Milton Friedman, and my mind
(01:35):
was just completely blown away. I was sitting on my couch.
Fast forward a few months later, and the Lord spoke
to my heart and told me that my skin color
had become an idol in my life, and it just
it changed my life. I felt like ten thousand pounds
had been lifted off of me. I really truly felt free.
(01:56):
I don't know how many people know the the oppression
narrative that you're born into. You know, it's a black
American I mean, you hear everywhere. And with God telling
me this, it was just, you know, it was life
changing because he was pointing me back to this is
who I said you are, and it just gave me
(02:19):
confidence and reassured me and just pointed me back in
the right direction. And then I felt sort of this,
you know, usher ushering into politics, and I'm like, no,
thank you, Like I got the revelation like all that
other stuff. I'm cool, I don't really want to go
into that world, right, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're like this, I'll just stop here, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That was enough, exactly, And so I just started getting
involved locally. And then I worked for the RNC during
the twenty twenty Trump campaign and that's when all the
school stuff happened. So I'm you know, reading just my
life has like just completely, you know, blown apart at
this point, because.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Right I was gonna say, did this make make you
very popular in your world?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Your not so much? Not so much. So you know,
I'm like, that's why I didn't really want to go
into all of that, but you know, I just couldn't
help it. Anyway. I had read all of this, you know,
all these books and and come across critical race theory,
and I didn't even know at the time it was
even a thing. I thought it was just you know,
(03:28):
people talking about it, like this is happening here and
there maybe. But my oldest daughter was asked what pronoun
she wanted to go by, and the first day of
her eighth grade year and Carol, we go way back.
I yeah, no. And then same teacher a few months
later comes back and asks the kids, or is rather
(03:51):
telling the kids that they're oppressed based on their skin phone. So,
you know, I was not having it. And it was
just I was going to school board meetings. I honestly
thinking I could just go down there because clearly they
just need to know that parents to what their children
to be thought of themselves as oppressed and they're going
(04:11):
to change all this nonsense. They didn't don't like.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That, no, all right, So what did they What did
they say? What did they tell you?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
They didn't want they didn't want to hear us. They
did not want to hear anything that we had to say.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But the fact that there wasn't us was there more
than just you?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, So Moms for Liberty was like sort of bubbling
at the time because they were upset about what was
going on with their children as well. And so I
was asked to be a part of that, and I
was like, no, thank you, okay, and but eventually I
did join. So yes, So there was a group of
parents which was very you know, welcoming and encouraging and
(04:49):
you know, letting me know that I wasn't alone and
feeling like, Okay, this is not crazy. I'm not crazy
for you know, hearing these things and being upset by it. Anyway,
I ended up getting involved with Monster Liberty, became their
spokes mom, and just started speaking around the country on
(05:09):
critical race theory and how it was a detriment to
not just Black Americans but all Americans because we're not
trying to be judged by our skin color. Like we
did that already, Thank you very much. We're done with that, dude.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So any regrets about getting into all this, like you
could have had just the easy, peaceful life and not
done this.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Do you wish it had gone differently?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't. You know, that's a great question. I don't
regret any of it. I mean, I've had the death
threat I've had, you know, people try to lunge at me,
to attack me, men at that, you know men. Yeah,
it's been I've had some pretty crazy instances or incidents
(05:53):
rather and no, I don't regret it at all. I
would do it all over again. And matter of fact,
I'm double down on everything that I've ever seen because
you know, just everything that's going on in our country,
it's too much. If we don't speak up about it,
we're going to have more. So, you know, no biggie
to get involved.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So what's next on the horizon for you? What battles
are you fighting now?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, so right now I feel like we are. We've
been so so much, so many lies have been thrown
at Americans. You know, we're so blinded with deception. So
my goal is just to try to help people see
the truth, like what is really happening? And let's try to,
you know, dig a little bit deeper and see what
(06:42):
the root of some of these things that we see
in the news. What's the root of this? And a
lot of times you see it's a lot of Marxist
communist tactics and just infiltration. So that's my goal to
help enlighten people who see what's going on and try
(07:02):
to show them like, Okay, here's where these things come from.
Because I think it's a bigger conspiracy honestly than we realize.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
What does the mass epsodist movement do?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So what we do is we've provided resources for parents
who want to help their kids get out of the
public schooling system or into charter schools. We have resources
on there to show parents what to do, like the
steps that they need to take to get their kids
out of the public the government in doctrination camps as
I like to call them, if there are any other
(07:40):
available options in your state, showing you how to navigate that.
There's different websites that we have there. Basically it's a
resource for parents because you know, every state is different.
It's hard to you know, pinpoint everything, but it kind
of gets you going in the right direction. If you
want to take that leap and pull your kids out.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Is that Are you seeing a lot of people wanting
to do that right now?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We have seen millions of parents pull their children out
of these government and doctrination camps since twenty twenty one
till now. It is only growing and with school choice
being implemented all over the country, parents realize that they
want more options when they look and see that these
(08:28):
reading scores are not you know, they're kind of just
making them up, you know who as your own child,
and you can kind of see where they are. You're like,
wait a minute, this is not lining up with what
I was told on their court part. And so parents
are deciding that you know that there's more options, and
(08:49):
they are exercising their rights on those options.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Are you optimistic about the next few years, Let's say,
I am.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, I'm just an opti mystic person.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Same so yeah, but I have to say the last
few years I really was pessimistic about America for the
first time in my life. I really thought, if this
gets any worse like the twenty twenty, you know, twenty twenty,
early twenty twenties, the whole pandemic years, the cancel culture,
the strict conformity on the left, all of that, I
(09:24):
really thought, we're heading in a really dangerous, terrible direction
and we might not be able to climb out of it.
And so to see kind of the backlash to it
now it's nice, but I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm still worried overall. But in general I'm an optimistic person.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's wise to you know,
have that maybe not worry, but just you know, keeping
your eye out to see what's going on, what's bubbling up,
what is like what the left is up to, because
they don't seem to be backing down and this, you know,
I wouldn't say it's not a time to kind of,
you know, rest on our laurels or anything like that,
(10:02):
because we can see with Another thing that worries me
is the like all this the rise of the anti
anti Semitism, like that has First of all, it's kind
of to me came out of nowhere, was like yeah,
in the world. And then to see some fellow all
used to be fellow, you know, other people on the
(10:22):
right starting to chime in on this, Yeah, guy, that
makes me concern. A friend of mine who digs really
deep into these topics, was telling me that when you
see the rise of like anti Semitism, that is like
a sign that a nation not doing good at all,
and like all of us, that too was new to me,
(10:43):
and they were to me like historically, when you have
these things, when you have the children being targeted, and
you have you know, just group specific groups of people,
just yeah, yes, like that is not a good sign.
And so historically it hasn't been a good sign, right
And apparently it's not a good sign. But I've been
(11:05):
trying to.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Warn people that it's really not about the Jews.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, it's not good for Jews right now, but
it's not about the Jews. It's about a real deep
sickness and society. Like the anti Semitism on the right
isn't even about I would say, not.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Really about Jews.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's about conspiracy theories and about just falling for the
most ridiculous conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Theories out there.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I get that people are distrustful of, you know,
the narrative or what they've been told, but a lot
of the things that are being spread on the right
are taking that way too far, and that worries me.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Also, Yeah, I mean it should worry all Americans. You know,
this idea that we can't Yes, we have been lied to,
but it's like not about everything.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Something's actually happened. Dinosaurs existed.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
This was so crazy to me, Like it's like I've
described it as like it's like postmodernists or like history.
It's like we can just get history, like you know,
we we have all the knowledge now, Carol, and so
everything that you've learned in the past, that's old, that's
you know, that's that traditional stuff. We don't need experts, absolutely, Yeah,
(12:21):
anybody is actually studied on anything. We're just because some
other experts had been wrong in the past, therefore no
expertise should exist.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
World is this? Like, this is I don't mean to
be it's just dumb, like this just dumb. I'm sorry,
Like yeah, it's not smart, it's not even they're not
good takes, they're not sensible. It just doesn't make any sense.
But because a lot of these people that are saying
this nonsense have huge influence, that is the thing that
(12:55):
concerns me. It doesn't take much, you know, back to
Charles Lindbergh and you know, see what he was doing,
thing like same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
What keeps you up or what are you kind of
concerned with?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
My concern is the ability for so many Americans to
be mass sort of indoctrinate, not sort of, but indoctrinated
so heavily. That is really because when someone gets indoctrinated,
like legit indoctrination, which we see like when you start
(13:42):
believing that a man could be a woman and a
woman can be a man, like you are fully indoctrinated
because that is a complete lie. And it's very hard
to break through those types of that type of brainwashing
because people really do believed the lie, like it is
(14:02):
not a theory to them. Anymore. It's not you know,
they have fully internalized this thinking, this world view, and
that that to me is concerning because it's like, if
we can't speak to you and get through to you,
what do we do? So that is the thing that
that's on my heart. It's been on my heart for
(14:23):
quite some time, which I'm determined to I'm writing a
book on this. Oh good, yes, yes, it's so my family.
I have a history of cult in my family. Wow, okay, strange.
My grandmother actually passed away in a cult. And then
I had another family member, a nephew, who was in
(14:46):
a cult as well. I've actually interviewed him from my book.
He's out now, thank god. But seeing the left and
then seeing my family, when I said, you know, okay,
I'm not I don't believe in any of these tactics
and things on the way, I don't believe this ideology.
The way that they responded as a Christian family was
(15:08):
very It was jarring to me, and so I'm like,
wait a minute, this is not just a belief in
a political party, you know, like a support for a
political party. This is like beyond that. And so the
more I looked into and I was like, this is
like a cult. And so I've been just digging and
looking and reading yeah, thank you stuff talks that I'm like,
(15:32):
is this hyperbolic? But the more I read, no, I'm like, no,
this is how cults behave right, So that I you know,
there is typically in a cult, there is a like
a main character or a main personality, and in this
particular stance, in this particular instance, it is the Democrat Party.
(15:53):
All roads lead back to this massive institution, and I
believe that they have become the biggest cult in American history.
I mean, I know that sounds like a pretty Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to reading this.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Is this sounds really interesting? Well, thank you, thank you.
So yeah, I've been working on it for a few
years now, and yeah, I look forward to presenting it.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, we'll have your back on to talk about it
more in depth. But I love that. I think that's
a really cool idea.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
What advice would you give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I probably I would tell myself that it is okay
to be you. Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm
gonna cry. You did the Oprah thing.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Cry.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I still struggle with this, just to be quite honest
of being myself, like, this is what I believe, this
is what I think, and you know, sometimes it is
sort of out of the box. You know, it's not conventional,
but I'm hit it has blessed me throughout my life.
(17:06):
But at the same time, sometimes I just have a
lot of second guessing. So I would tell myself it
is okay to be yourself. What God has put inside
of you is good and it is good for you
to express those things. And yes it may be a
little bit different, but that's okay too.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Is that what you tell your kids? Also?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I do. I admire my kids, like they old? Are
you talking with that? So they are eighteen and sixteen?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Now, yeah, you don't look old enough to have eighteen
and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Year olds.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Neither. How old is you have?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
My oldest is fifteen, fifteen, twelve and nine.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So why didn't I remember? You had three?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, girl and two boys. The girl really tricked us
into having two more.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
She was too easy.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So yeah, girls are good. Girls are easy.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I always tell people if you have any saying it,
you know, I have a girl first, and they don't.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Have to say in it. But you know, jump.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
My joke is if you had control.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Try to have a girl first, because she really does
make the whole operation operate a lot smoother.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
They do. They are so different. My little sister has
five boys.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Wow, oh yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, drive for the girl. And then they were like,
they got a boy instead, and so they were like, Okay,
we're dead.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They try? They have contributed to humanities.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I when I joke about having a fourth, my daughter's like,
I mean I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I would not have a fourth.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But when I used to joke about it, yeah, she
would be like, well, what if it's another boy, what.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Are we gonna do? Exactly, They'll be just too many
of them.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's against them at that point exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Well, I've loved this conversation, Kisha. I think you are fantastic.
Leave us here with your best tip.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
For my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
How you can improve your life. Get in a quiet
place and get closer to God. That is what I
would say. That's how you can improve your life. The
God of the Bible. That is what I believe that
has truly guided me throughout my life. And there is
no match. There is no match, so that would be
(19:20):
my advice. Get in a quiet place and get closer
to God. I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Find God. Thank you so much for coming on. She
is Keisha King. Check out the Kisha King Show and
we're looking forward to this book. Let's let us know
when it's out.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Will do. Thank you so much, Carol,
Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Martha Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
My guest today is Keisha King.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Keisha is host of The Keisha King Show and the
founder of the Mass Exodus movement.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hi, Kisha, is so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hey, Carol, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So you and I were very much in the school
trenches together over the last few years. I have been
such a fan of yours and we've met on a
number of occasions. I think you're just terrific. How did
you get into this world?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What made you go be an activist?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, first some we say thanks for having me on.
I love everything that you've done as well the book
everything that you're quoted of.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
My book I interviewed you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes, that's right, that's right, And I was one of
the first purchasers. I must say, as.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Gone, thank you, very appreciated.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Absolutely. Yeah. So I got into this world a little
bit differently than most people. I think it was a
kind of a spiritual experience. I was having a conversation
about BLM with a close family member and I said
I was going to go look up the statistics on
the unarmed black men and police interactions and looked it
(01:14):
up and I was completely blown away. It was like
less than ten and I didn't really know what to
make of it, because you know, there were all these riots.
Why are all these riots happening when clearly there's more
of an issue with black on black crime, and so
just pondering the stuff, I started doing more research, found
doctor Thomas Soule, Walter William's Milton Friedman, and my mind
(01:35):
was just completely blown away. I was sitting on my couch.
Fast forward a few months later, and the Lord spoke
to my heart and told me that my skin color
had become an idol in my life, and it just
it changed my life. I felt like ten thousand pounds
had been lifted off of me. I really truly felt free.
(01:56):
I don't know how many people know the the oppression
narrative that you're born into. You know, it's a black
American I mean, you hear everywhere. And with God telling
me this, it was just, you know, it was life
changing because he was pointing me back to this is
who I said you are, and it just gave me
(02:19):
confidence and reassured me and just pointed me back in
the right direction. And then I felt sort of this,
you know, usher ushering into politics, and I'm like, no,
thank you, Like I got the revelation like all that
other stuff. I'm cool, I don't really want to go
into that world, right, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're like this, I'll just stop here, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That was enough, exactly, And so I just started getting
involved locally. And then I worked for the RNC during
the twenty twenty Trump campaign and that's when all the
school stuff happened. So I'm you know, reading just my
life has like just completely, you know, blown apart at
this point, because.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Right I was gonna say, did this make make you
very popular in your world?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Your not so much? Not so much. So you know,
I'm like, that's why I didn't really want to go
into all of that, but you know, I just couldn't
help it. Anyway. I had read all of this, you know,
all these books and and come across critical race theory,
and I didn't even know at the time it was
even a thing. I thought it was just you know,
(03:28):
people talking about it, like this is happening here and
there maybe. But my oldest daughter was asked what pronoun
she wanted to go by, and the first day of
her eighth grade year and Carol, we go way back.
I yeah, no. And then same teacher a few months
later comes back and asks the kids, or is rather
(03:51):
telling the kids that they're oppressed based on their skin phone. So,
you know, I was not having it. And it was
just I was going to school board meetings. I honestly
thinking I could just go down there because clearly they
just need to know that parents to what their children
to be thought of themselves as oppressed and they're going
(04:11):
to change all this nonsense. They didn't don't like.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That, no, all right, So what did they What did
they say? What did they tell you?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
They didn't want they didn't want to hear us. They
did not want to hear anything that we had to say.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But the fact that there wasn't us was there more
than just you?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, So Moms for Liberty was like sort of bubbling
at the time because they were upset about what was
going on with their children as well. And so I
was asked to be a part of that, and I
was like, no, thank you, okay, and but eventually I
did join. So yes, So there was a group of
parents which was very you know, welcoming and encouraging and
(04:49):
you know, letting me know that I wasn't alone and
feeling like, Okay, this is not crazy. I'm not crazy
for you know, hearing these things and being upset by it. Anyway,
I ended up getting involved with Monster Liberty, became their
spokes mom, and just started speaking around the country on
(05:09):
critical race theory and how it was a detriment to
not just Black Americans but all Americans because we're not
trying to be judged by our skin color. Like we
did that already, Thank you very much. We're done with that, dude.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So any regrets about getting into all this, like you
could have had just the easy, peaceful life and not
done this.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Do you wish it had gone differently?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't. You know, that's a great question. I don't
regret any of it. I mean, I've had the death
threat I've had, you know, people try to lunge at me,
to attack me, men at that, you know men. Yeah,
it's been I've had some pretty crazy instances or incidents
(05:53):
rather and no, I don't regret it at all. I
would do it all over again. And matter of fact,
I'm double down on everything that I've ever seen because
you know, just everything that's going on in our country,
it's too much. If we don't speak up about it,
we're going to have more. So, you know, no biggie
to get involved.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So what's next on the horizon for you? What battles
are you fighting now?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, so right now I feel like we are. We've
been so so much, so many lies have been thrown
at Americans. You know, we're so blinded with deception. So
my goal is just to try to help people see
the truth, like what is really happening? And let's try to,
you know, dig a little bit deeper and see what
(06:42):
the root of some of these things that we see
in the news. What's the root of this? And a
lot of times you see it's a lot of Marxist
communist tactics and just infiltration. So that's my goal to
help enlighten people who see what's going on and try
(07:02):
to show them like, Okay, here's where these things come from.
Because I think it's a bigger conspiracy honestly than we realize.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
What does the mass epsodist movement do?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So what we do is we've provided resources for parents
who want to help their kids get out of the
public schooling system or into charter schools. We have resources
on there to show parents what to do, like the
steps that they need to take to get their kids
out of the public the government in doctrination camps as
I like to call them, if there are any other
(07:40):
available options in your state, showing you how to navigate that.
There's different websites that we have there. Basically it's a
resource for parents because you know, every state is different.
It's hard to you know, pinpoint everything, but it kind
of gets you going in the right direction. If you
want to take that leap and pull your kids out.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Is that Are you seeing a lot of people wanting
to do that right now?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We have seen millions of parents pull their children out
of these government and doctrination camps since twenty twenty one
till now. It is only growing and with school choice
being implemented all over the country, parents realize that they
want more options when they look and see that these
(08:28):
reading scores are not you know, they're kind of just
making them up, you know who as your own child,
and you can kind of see where they are. You're like,
wait a minute, this is not lining up with what
I was told on their court part. And so parents
are deciding that you know that there's more options, and
(08:49):
they are exercising their rights on those options.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Are you optimistic about the next few years, Let's say,
I am.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean, I'm just an opti mystic person.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Same so yeah, but I have to say the last
few years I really was pessimistic about America for the
first time in my life. I really thought, if this
gets any worse like the twenty twenty, you know, twenty twenty,
early twenty twenties, the whole pandemic years, the cancel culture,
the strict conformity on the left, all of that, I
(09:24):
really thought, we're heading in a really dangerous, terrible direction
and we might not be able to climb out of it.
And so to see kind of the backlash to it
now it's nice, but I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm still worried overall. But in general I'm an optimistic person.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's wise to you know,
have that maybe not worry, but just you know, keeping
your eye out to see what's going on, what's bubbling up,
what is like what the left is up to, because
they don't seem to be backing down and this, you know,
I wouldn't say it's not a time to kind of,
you know, rest on our laurels or anything like that,
(10:02):
because we can see with Another thing that worries me
is the like all this the rise of the anti
anti Semitism, like that has First of all, it's kind
of to me came out of nowhere, was like yeah,
in the world. And then to see some fellow all
used to be fellow, you know, other people on the
(10:22):
right starting to chime in on this, Yeah, guy, that
makes me concern. A friend of mine who digs really
deep into these topics, was telling me that when you
see the rise of like anti Semitism, that is like
a sign that a nation not doing good at all,
and like all of us, that too was new to me,
(10:43):
and they were to me like historically, when you have
these things, when you have the children being targeted, and
you have you know, just group specific groups of people,
just yeah, yes, like that is not a good sign.
And so historically it hasn't been a good sign, right
And apparently it's not a good sign. But I've been
(11:05):
trying to.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Warn people that it's really not about the Jews.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, it's not good for Jews right now, but
it's not about the Jews. It's about a real deep
sickness and society. Like the anti Semitism on the right
isn't even about I would say, not.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Really about Jews.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's about conspiracy theories and about just falling for the
most ridiculous conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Theories out there.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I get that people are distrustful of, you know,
the narrative or what they've been told, but a lot
of the things that are being spread on the right
are taking that way too far, and that worries me.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Also, Yeah, I mean it should worry all Americans. You know,
this idea that we can't Yes, we have been lied to,
but it's like not about everything.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Something's actually happened. Dinosaurs existed.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
This was so crazy to me, Like it's like I've
described it as like it's like postmodernists or like history.
It's like we can just get history, like you know,
we we have all the knowledge now, Carol, and so
everything that you've learned in the past, that's old, that's
you know, that's that traditional stuff. We don't need experts, absolutely, Yeah,
(12:21):
anybody is actually studied on anything. We're just because some
other experts had been wrong in the past, therefore no
expertise should exist.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
World is this? Like, this is I don't mean to
be it's just dumb, like this just dumb. I'm sorry,
Like yeah, it's not smart, it's not even they're not
good takes, they're not sensible. It just doesn't make any sense.
But because a lot of these people that are saying
this nonsense have huge influence, that is the thing that
(12:55):
concerns me. It doesn't take much, you know, back to
Charles Lindbergh and you know, see what he was doing,
thing like same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
What keeps you up or what are you kind of
concerned with?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
My concern is the ability for so many Americans to
be mass sort of indoctrinate, not sort of, but indoctrinated
so heavily. That is really because when someone gets indoctrinated,
like legit indoctrination, which we see like when you start
(13:42):
believing that a man could be a woman and a
woman can be a man, like you are fully indoctrinated
because that is a complete lie. And it's very hard
to break through those types of that type of brainwashing
because people really do believed the lie, like it is
(14:02):
not a theory to them. Anymore. It's not you know,
they have fully internalized this thinking, this world view, and
that that to me is concerning because it's like, if
we can't speak to you and get through to you,
what do we do? So that is the thing that
that's on my heart. It's been on my heart for
(14:23):
quite some time, which I'm determined to I'm writing a
book on this. Oh good, yes, yes, it's so my family.
I have a history of cult in my family. Wow, okay, strange.
My grandmother actually passed away in a cult. And then
I had another family member, a nephew, who was in
(14:46):
a cult as well. I've actually interviewed him from my book.
He's out now, thank god. But seeing the left and
then seeing my family, when I said, you know, okay,
I'm not I don't believe in any of these tactics
and things on the way, I don't believe this ideology.
The way that they responded as a Christian family was
(15:08):
very It was jarring to me, and so I'm like,
wait a minute, this is not just a belief in
a political party, you know, like a support for a
political party. This is like beyond that. And so the
more I looked into and I was like, this is
like a cult. And so I've been just digging and
looking and reading yeah, thank you stuff talks that I'm like,
(15:32):
is this hyperbolic? But the more I read, no, I'm like, no,
this is how cults behave right, So that I you know,
there is typically in a cult, there is a like
a main character or a main personality, and in this
particular stance, in this particular instance, it is the Democrat Party.
(15:53):
All roads lead back to this massive institution, and I
believe that they have become the biggest cult in American history.
I mean, I know that sounds like a pretty Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to reading this.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Is this sounds really interesting? Well, thank you, thank you.
So yeah, I've been working on it for a few
years now, and yeah, I look forward to presenting it.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, we'll have your back on to talk about it
more in depth. But I love that. I think that's
a really cool idea.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
What advice would you give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I probably I would tell myself that it is okay
to be you. Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm
gonna cry. You did the Oprah thing.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Cry.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I still struggle with this, just to be quite honest
of being myself, like, this is what I believe, this
is what I think, and you know, sometimes it is
sort of out of the box. You know, it's not conventional,
but I'm hit it has blessed me throughout my life.
(17:06):
But at the same time, sometimes I just have a
lot of second guessing. So I would tell myself it
is okay to be yourself. What God has put inside
of you is good and it is good for you
to express those things. And yes it may be a
little bit different, but that's okay too.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Is that what you tell your kids? Also?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I do. I admire my kids, like they old? Are
you talking with that? So they are eighteen and sixteen?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Now, yeah, you don't look old enough to have eighteen
and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Year olds.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Neither. How old is you have?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
My oldest is fifteen, fifteen, twelve and nine.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So why didn't I remember? You had three?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, girl and two boys. The girl really tricked us
into having two more.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
She was too easy.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So yeah, girls are good. Girls are easy.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I always tell people if you have any saying it,
you know, I have a girl first, and they don't.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Have to say in it. But you know, jump.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
My joke is if you had control.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Try to have a girl first, because she really does
make the whole operation operate a lot smoother.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
They do. They are so different. My little sister has
five boys.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Wow, oh yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, drive for the girl. And then they were like,
they got a boy instead, and so they were like, Okay,
we're dead.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They try? They have contributed to humanities.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I when I joke about having a fourth, my daughter's like,
I mean I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I would not have a fourth.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But when I used to joke about it, yeah, she
would be like, well, what if it's another boy, what.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Are we gonna do? Exactly, They'll be just too many
of them.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, that's against them at that point exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Well, I've loved this conversation, Kisha. I think you are fantastic.
Leave us here with your best tip.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
For my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
How you can improve your life. Get in a quiet
place and get closer to God. That is what I
would say. That's how you can improve your life. The
God of the Bible. That is what I believe that
has truly guided me throughout my life. And there is
no match. There is no match, so that would be
(19:20):
my advice. Get in a quiet place and get closer
to God. I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Find God. Thank you so much for coming on. She
is Keisha King. Check out the Kisha King Show and
we're looking forward to this book. Let's let us know
when it's out.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Will do. Thank you so much, Carol,
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