August 8, 2025 • 20 mins
In this episode, Maud Maron, a candidate for Manhattan District Attorney and education advocate, shares her journey into politics, her views on public safety, education, and the current state of New York politics. She discusses the challenges of modern feminism and offers advice for the next generation, emphasizing the importance of real-life connections over digital distractions. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, and welcome back to Caryl Marcoin's show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Maud Maren, candidate for Manhattan District
Attorney and education Advocate. Hi, Maud, so nice to have
you on.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi. Carol, thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know a little bit about your story where you
know friends in real life as people like to say,
how did you decide to run for Manhattan District's attorney
when that seems like a crazy thing to do to me?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, it's a little bit crazy to me too. Some
days I wake up and think, why in the world
did I try to do this?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Why in the world is what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, the thing is, I've run for office before, the
big difference being I ran previously as a Democrat for
city council and for Congress, and this is the first
time ever I'm running as a Republican. And honestly, the
reasons are always kind of the same, Like I look
around at the people who are running my city and
I think that person's insane and has terrible ideas, and
(01:04):
I would do a better job, right. Yeah, And you know,
the first time you run for office, it's a little
bit well, the very first time you. For me, running
for office was like running for my community education council,
running for school positions because I'm a public school mom
and all that the schools have school leadership team positions,
(01:25):
you know what people think of as pta stuff. But
New York has just a different slew of acronyms for
the way that parents get involved in schools. And once
you start putting yourself out there, you know, sometimes you win,
sometimes you lose, and you get used to it a
little bit. But I have found it to be really
really helpful for me, at least. One of the things
(01:47):
I think I do well is I run and I
say things that I know lots of people agree with,
but that nobody else is sort of brave enough to
say yet. And I wouldn't have said that's what I
was trying to do back when, back when I ran
for my first you know, school board position, I wasn't saying, like, oh,
lead the church. And I was just saying, like, well,
(02:07):
that's bonkers that they're doing it that way. Let's do
it a better way. And but what happens is you
get back then, I had people in New York we
were having for your non New York audience, members. It
was a big fight in our public schools about what
what you call magnet schools and the rest of the
country we call them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Special talents, specialized.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, and there was a big equity movement by Build
a Blasio, soon to be retired as the worst mayor
ever of New York. We're just trying to get rid
of them, this whole equity push, saying you.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Was trying to get rid of screens as they call it,
where you look they look at like grades, or they
look at a specialized test or something like that. But
the key thing to mention about Build a Blasio is
he was only looking to get rid of it after
his own kids had already gone to those schools.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Go back. I'll say this. I'm not trying to defend
Build a blo. But i will say that's a feature,
not a bug. Like that. You see that again and
again and again with people who are pushing with their
equity efforts. They want to take away from my public
school kids high quality, excellent education while spend a ton
of money for their own kids to get that high quality,
(03:16):
excellent education they have chosen over the public schools that
they feel perfectly comfortable putting their thumb on to push
them down into the land of equity based on some
really based on nothing but virtue signaling and flawed interpretation.
You know, if you say there's only seven black kids
at Stuyvesant, this big high school in New York, you
(03:37):
can say, well, why is that? And their answer is
always racism.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Racism, not because the schools that they came from did
not properly prepare you know, the test takers for the
rigor of Stuyvesant. Really not only that we say that
as somebody who did not get into Stuyvesant, and my
husband did, which makes me extra better.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But you still know it's not racism, keeping it no.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I mean, I'd like to say it was sexism or
anti redheadism or whatever, but it turns out, no, I
just didn't do as well on the test as the
other people who took it that day.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And so I'll say this also one of the things
we now know about the education debate, and then we'll
go back to other stuff. But I one of the
things that's become overwhelmingly clear, and this feeds into and
I think of you, Carol very much as a truth teller.
I've been reading you for years and you do tell
the truth sometimes well ahead of other people getting there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can't do it ahead of time log. You should
know that you have to do it right on time.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Problem. Frankly I've been to I always think of as
kind of funny because I'm like, I'm not an early
adopter when it comes to technology. Yeah. Yeah, it's only
about like the big political events of our day and
the cultural moments. But what I wanted to say about
the kids in school is that like you can control
for like everything else, and it turns out that kids
(05:01):
who come from stable to parent families will do better
in school every time, and the kids don't single time,
And it doesn't matter socioeconomic, racial, immigrant status. If you've
got a mom and a dad who love you and
are making sure there's dinner on the plate at home
in the evening, huge, that's what you need to be successful.
(05:22):
And so that's why all those other diagnoses that we
were getting when they're deeply flawed, but they were also
a leftist power grab is what it comes to. YEA.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So I know what your arguments are about education, and
I think you're such an amazing activist for kids. What
made you go towards the district attorney job. That I mean,
I imagine some of your issues, you know, such as
crime led you to this, but what was the kind
of impetus for this?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So I'm going to be super honest because we do
know each other, and it is that like I was trying.
I was debating I wanted to run for office, and
I wanted to run as a Republican because I'm now
a Republican, And I was debating between whether I should
run for public advocate or Manhattan District attorney. For those
folks who know me, I'm a defense lawyer by training.
(06:14):
A lot of das are defense. They're often prosecutors to start,
then they go into the private defense world for a while,
and then they come, you know, run for for uh,
for district attorney positions. I've never prosecuted. I've always been
on the defense lawyer side. But you know how a
courtroom works, and you know how a courtroom is supposed
to work. And so I was debating those two things,
(06:36):
and for me, like, if you don't have public safety,
what do you have, Like you can't be the city.
And you as a woman who had kids and left
New York for reasons that I probably should have left
New York for two you know that, like if a
place becomes unlivable for whatever reason, it's like that's the end.
And I just you know, I was born in Manhattan,
(06:59):
lived there as a girl, but then then moved at
my family moved out. We grew up in Pennsylvania, and
i'mlike AOC. I don't try to pretend that I'm born
and bred, r turned but not born and bred. But
I've given birth to four kids in New York City
and I'm raised New Yorkers, and I fully expect that
they should be able to take the subway home at
(07:19):
one o'clock and ay, and right now, it's been terrifying
because you know, it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's not right, and you know, it's so funny. I
say this sometimes on various shows, but people always say
to me, like, why did you wait so long to leave?
Like New York was falling apart, you know, for a
long time before he left, And I say, it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It was an.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Amazing place to be for much of the Rudy Giuliani
administration and the entirety of the Mike Bloomberg administration, and
even the beginning of the Doblasi administration, where he coasted
on their accomplishments. It was a wonderful city to be in.
It was safe, and it was blooming, and it was
just doing super well. And then it really was collapse.
(08:03):
That's the only way I could describe it. But you
clearly love New York and you are staying and fighting
for it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are you hopeful? Depends on what day you ask me, Carol,
you know, like in general, yes, but don't I don't
know that from Manhattan. Donnie Bragg combo is a really
bad combo, right, Like, if I'm that hopeful, right right,
that's sticktuitiveness. It kind of worries me. It would be
(08:36):
a really really devastating combination for our city. I do hope.
I just saw it before I signed on here. That
supposedly Cuomo. Yeah, one of us, Like finally, one of
the guys that needs to drop out is saying one
of us needs to drop out, and like, I honestly
don't care who it is. I actually do think I
(08:56):
don't know if any of them are going to drop
out because they all have such egos polls, but I
you know, we non Mom Dannie voters should coalesce behind
one person. It's really hard to do when they're all
actively running. And as someone who has run before for office,
I know how hard it is to say, like step
aside for the good of this group, you know, like
(09:19):
people want to run. I get it, but in this
case it doesn't really make any sense. It does, if
I may say, though, it does highlight this issue that
I think New York suffers enormously from the under development
of the Republican Party. And if what happens is, you know,
(09:41):
politicians in New York, because it's a one party town,
only worry about getting primaried from the left, and so
they're constantly take to the left. And if you don't
have a Republican Party then you can't correct for that.
And in fact, I was working with something and the
New York Times r right after Trump one said the
(10:05):
Democrats are in denial and they have to come I
was reading this New York Times editorial and it said
they have to come to terms with why they lost
for real and understand getting like, you know, kind of
too far left, because we need a two party system.
They're like, we need even the New York Times said
even conservatives and Republicans should want a strong Democratic party
(10:26):
because we need a two party system. And I thought, oh,
I actually totally agree with that analysis. Yeah, for New
York City, and we need a strong Republican party and
to part to further answer your question about why I
would run is because I know that if you stand
up and you say, hey, look normal everyday people, former Democrats,
moms like will run for office as a Republican. I
(10:47):
know that other people, or at least I hope that
other people will think, like, oh, you can run as
a Republican and be a normal person and survive it
and do it. We need more and more candidates and
more and more quality candidates to run as Republicans because
you have to have that counterbalance or else the UNI Party,
the one party Democrat City. Yeah, galloping a very fringe. Yeah,
(11:12):
we'll go further and further to the left.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitz Show. So you were a
lifelong liberal and Democrat. Is this weird for you running
as a Republican? I mean being a Republican.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I I.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Trying to flip it to myself, like I've I've never
voted for a Democrat in my life. I don't know.
I don't know what needs to happen in order for
me to switch sides.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Look, i'll tell you what needs to happen. If Republicans
got so fringey and far right that they decided like
women shouldn't work outside of the home, if it was
Matt Walsh's Republican Party, where it was like Matt the
Way Men. I love Matt's show, I said, laugh at
it a lot when I watch it and listen to it.
I don't know that guy personally, but sometimes he makes
some really good and funny points. But if it was
(12:04):
his version of what it should be, where you and
I were like home, tending to the garden and the
kids and not being allowed to be out of the home,
and then it like.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Wait, wait, hold on, let's not let's not undersell that.
I I don't know that I wouldn't mind being home.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'm just kidding. I would stay home for many years too. It. Yeah,
there's great upside to having the choice for the right
moment in your life when it is but I just mean,
like the choice.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I know what you mean, but is it like is
it hard? Like it's part of your It was a
part of your identity to be a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean it was when being a Democrat made sense.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I tried, Carol, Like, I joined my community board in
twenty fourteen and tried to fight for the kind of
local middle school that they were opening up, and I
got quashed, Like I got my ideas were out the door.
And the funny thing is, ten years later, that middle
school is basically a failed middle school that they're trying
to march because they were like, no, no high quality academics,
(13:04):
no screens, no anything. They had restorative justice bullshit, kids
got like their teeth knocked out and fights, and this
isn't kind of Tribeca. It's like, like, so parents have
fled from that school. Right, ten years later, what do
I get? I get like, I was right. I went
to all your stupid sessions and I wrote my little
ideas on the post it notes and I was called
(13:25):
racist for one of the like honors programs.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So it's like, yeah, you were right too early again,
it's just got time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Totally, I've kind of totally have a timing problem. Look,
I knew what I had to do to be elected
as a Democrat, Carol, Like, I totally get that I
needed to never mention gender like I was trying. You know,
I should have just said the cops are racist, and
I as a public defender, I could have leaned into
(13:55):
cops are not perfect, they make mistakes. I could have
leaned into anomalist police butality cases and never mentioned the
importance of good policing in a city. I could have done.
I could have said all of the things that I
knew it said, but they weren't true, and I'm not
sort of I wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
What are you here for?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I'm not here to.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Like lie, And you know, it's like and.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
If I remember talking to a donor when I was
running for Congress who just said to me, like what,
I really think you should stop talking about trans issues.
And the thing is that person wasn't wrong to try
to get elected as a Democrat. I should have pretended
that sometimes kids need gender affirming care because that's the
more popular position, definitely in a deep blue city. It's
(14:42):
just obscene and immoral. So I won't pretend that, you know,
I won't say those things. And I don't know. This
is like thinking very long term, but like all the
things that I've said all along, like I've been proven
right on you know, like we should have opened our
schools earlier, like defunding the police is a giant mistake,
(15:06):
Like we of New York State is losing people. We're
leading the way in outward migration from a state because
of bad policies that are being implemented. I've been right
about all of those things. And I think I'm right
about the fact that the path to restoration for our
city is through the Republican Party. People just can't see
it yet, and when they eventually get there, I'll say
(15:27):
I was told you so.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Five and I'll tell you you right too early.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What do you worry about? I worry about the world
that my kids are going to graduate into. I have
a college kid and two high school kids, and so
we're getting close to that. You know, have a younger
one too, but I'm less worried about him, because you know,
he's still still time to turn it around. Yeah, but
I worry about the world my kids are graduating into
(15:55):
because it is very different from the one that a
gen X came had graduated into. You know, everything from
like AI changing workplace opportunities to sort of how how
socially fractured things are where kids. We didn't grow up
on cell phones, so we knew how to talk to
each other and how to go to parties. Yeah, it
was great.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It was the best era ever.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Totally, But I worry about that for them, Like this
world that they're graduating into, how sharply different it is
the world that we grew up in.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It really is. And there's so many things that I
just think we took for granted in our analog world that.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
They'll just never know.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Although, you know, once in a while, I'll see these
like posts on X where all the childhood we had
where we you know, played outside all day, like you
could still have that. My kids do that even though
they have iPads. That doesn't mean they're sitting at home
on them.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like they're still.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Playing outside all day and coming home, you know, not
when the street lights come out, because we don't really
have that. But you know the same.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But you have as a parent, you have to be
committed to making sure they get that because the default
is that kids can get sucked into TV or screens. Yeah,
you know, for sure, to create it for them.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, but as parents, you could you could do that
and you could say, you know, no, screens and yeah,
what advice would you give your sixteen year old self? Like,
what a sixteen year old maude need to know?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What's so funny that I mentioned Matt Walls to you
because I thought about this question before, and I thought
I didn't have to think about it so much because
I have a seventeen year old daughter, and much to
her chagrin, I've been giving her lots of advice. Yeah,
and one of the things I think is to just
reject sort of today's feminism because it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, you're never getting elected as a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Sorry, myself a feminist, But the fact of the matter is,
like today's go girl feminism is this kind of slutty,
like more morally corrupt, doesn't really offer girls like a
good path to walk down. And in fact, I'll say
(18:07):
I'm going to give a shout out to Louise Penny
who wrote this book. What is your book called The
Case Against the Sexual Revolution? Yeah, it's a brilliant read.
It's a slim little read. I gave it to my daughter,
who read it quickly and we had a fantastic conversation
about it. And I just think that you can be
a feminist in that for me, it's like women are
(18:30):
equally human and as valuable ass but also understand we're different,
and then it's totally okay to reject the what's being
offered to girls on the left because it's not a
world design to make to respect women and make them happy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Is the feminism today different from the feminism of when
you were sixteen?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Fiercely because for us, it was still this thing of like,
like you can have a job and raise your family.
It was like you can do both these things. And
it now we have people who are like how many
men can they sleep with in one day? You know
that are like the YouTube thing, the only fan. Now
it's like you can be an only fans and you
can buy a house after having raising this much money
(19:11):
on OnlyFans. Like we used to just know that that
was like slutty and pornographic. It was like shocking when
people did a you know, a centerfold spread on Playboy.
Now that like you don't even have to open Playboy
to see that kind of you know, skin that's just
in like people's websites and on people in magazines that
(19:32):
are regular magazines, And I just think it's I have
three sons and a daughter, and so having a daughter
and having you know, and wanting your sons to treat
women a certain way, and wanting your daughter to live
a certain way. It's like this thing that they're selling
you as feminism is not really feminism to me. And yeah,
(19:53):
that's what I would say, is like modern day feminism
is actually like this bait and switch for girls that
you have every right to reject.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I love that, Yeah, reject it all the way. I've
loved this conversation. Mod I think you are terrific and
I hope you are in New York's next District attorney.
Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners
on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, we touched on in a little bit already, but
I have to say, put down the phone, put down
the screen except for when you're listening to Carol Markowitz,
and get outside, be with your family and talk to
people in real life, touch grass people.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I say it all the time, and I think that
it really is one of the best pieces of advice.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Maud.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
She is Maud Maren candidate for Manhattan District Attorney. If
you live in Manhattan, I mean You're running out of
options here. People, grab Maud with both hands before we
steal her to Florida. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Thank you, Carol,
Hi, and welcome back to Caryl Marcoin's show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Maud Maren, candidate for Manhattan District
Attorney and education Advocate. Hi, Maud, so nice to have
you on.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi. Carol, thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know a little bit about your story where you
know friends in real life as people like to say,
how did you decide to run for Manhattan District's attorney
when that seems like a crazy thing to do to me?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, it's a little bit crazy to me too. Some
days I wake up and think, why in the world
did I try to do this?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Why in the world is what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, the thing is, I've run for office before, the
big difference being I ran previously as a Democrat for
city council and for Congress, and this is the first
time ever I'm running as a Republican. And honestly, the
reasons are always kind of the same, Like I look
around at the people who are running my city and
I think that person's insane and has terrible ideas, and
(01:04):
I would do a better job, right. Yeah, And you know,
the first time you run for office, it's a little
bit well, the very first time you. For me, running
for office was like running for my community education council,
running for school positions because I'm a public school mom
and all that the schools have school leadership team positions,
(01:25):
you know what people think of as pta stuff. But
New York has just a different slew of acronyms for
the way that parents get involved in schools. And once
you start putting yourself out there, you know, sometimes you win,
sometimes you lose, and you get used to it a
little bit. But I have found it to be really
really helpful for me, at least. One of the things
(01:47):
I think I do well is I run and I
say things that I know lots of people agree with,
but that nobody else is sort of brave enough to
say yet. And I wouldn't have said that's what I
was trying to do back when, back when I ran
for my first you know, school board position, I wasn't saying, like, oh,
lead the church. And I was just saying, like, well,
(02:07):
that's bonkers that they're doing it that way. Let's do
it a better way. And but what happens is you
get back then, I had people in New York we
were having for your non New York audience, members. It
was a big fight in our public schools about what
what you call magnet schools and the rest of the
country we call them.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Special talents, specialized.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, and there was a big equity movement by Build
a Blasio, soon to be retired as the worst mayor
ever of New York. We're just trying to get rid
of them, this whole equity push, saying you.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Was trying to get rid of screens as they call it,
where you look they look at like grades, or they
look at a specialized test or something like that. But
the key thing to mention about Build a Blasio is
he was only looking to get rid of it after
his own kids had already gone to those schools.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Go back. I'll say this. I'm not trying to defend
Build a blo. But i will say that's a feature,
not a bug. Like that. You see that again and
again and again with people who are pushing with their
equity efforts. They want to take away from my public
school kids high quality, excellent education while spend a ton
of money for their own kids to get that high quality,
(03:16):
excellent education they have chosen over the public schools that
they feel perfectly comfortable putting their thumb on to push
them down into the land of equity based on some
really based on nothing but virtue signaling and flawed interpretation.
You know, if you say there's only seven black kids
at Stuyvesant, this big high school in New York, you
(03:37):
can say, well, why is that? And their answer is
always racism.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Racism, not because the schools that they came from did
not properly prepare you know, the test takers for the
rigor of Stuyvesant. Really not only that we say that
as somebody who did not get into Stuyvesant, and my
husband did, which makes me extra better.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
But you still know it's not racism, keeping it no.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I mean, I'd like to say it was sexism or
anti redheadism or whatever, but it turns out, no, I
just didn't do as well on the test as the
other people who took it that day.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And so I'll say this also one of the things
we now know about the education debate, and then we'll
go back to other stuff. But I one of the
things that's become overwhelmingly clear, and this feeds into and
I think of you, Carol very much as a truth teller.
I've been reading you for years and you do tell
the truth sometimes well ahead of other people getting there.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can't do it ahead of time log. You should
know that you have to do it right on time.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Problem. Frankly I've been to I always think of as
kind of funny because I'm like, I'm not an early
adopter when it comes to technology. Yeah. Yeah, it's only
about like the big political events of our day and
the cultural moments. But what I wanted to say about
the kids in school is that like you can control
for like everything else, and it turns out that kids
(05:01):
who come from stable to parent families will do better
in school every time, and the kids don't single time,
And it doesn't matter socioeconomic, racial, immigrant status. If you've
got a mom and a dad who love you and
are making sure there's dinner on the plate at home
in the evening, huge, that's what you need to be successful.
(05:22):
And so that's why all those other diagnoses that we
were getting when they're deeply flawed, but they were also
a leftist power grab is what it comes to. YEA.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So I know what your arguments are about education, and
I think you're such an amazing activist for kids. What
made you go towards the district attorney job. That I mean,
I imagine some of your issues, you know, such as
crime led you to this, but what was the kind
of impetus for this?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So I'm going to be super honest because we do
know each other, and it is that like I was trying.
I was debating I wanted to run for office, and
I wanted to run as a Republican because I'm now
a Republican, And I was debating between whether I should
run for public advocate or Manhattan District attorney. For those
folks who know me, I'm a defense lawyer by training.
(06:14):
A lot of das are defense. They're often prosecutors to start,
then they go into the private defense world for a while,
and then they come, you know, run for for uh,
for district attorney positions. I've never prosecuted. I've always been
on the defense lawyer side. But you know how a
courtroom works, and you know how a courtroom is supposed
to work. And so I was debating those two things,
(06:36):
and for me, like, if you don't have public safety,
what do you have, Like you can't be the city.
And you as a woman who had kids and left
New York for reasons that I probably should have left
New York for two you know that, like if a
place becomes unlivable for whatever reason, it's like that's the end.
And I just you know, I was born in Manhattan,
(06:59):
lived there as a girl, but then then moved at
my family moved out. We grew up in Pennsylvania, and
i'mlike AOC. I don't try to pretend that I'm born
and bred, r turned but not born and bred. But
I've given birth to four kids in New York City
and I'm raised New Yorkers, and I fully expect that
they should be able to take the subway home at
(07:19):
one o'clock and ay, and right now, it's been terrifying
because you know, it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's not right, and you know, it's so funny. I
say this sometimes on various shows, but people always say
to me, like, why did you wait so long to leave?
Like New York was falling apart, you know, for a
long time before he left, And I say, it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It was an.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Amazing place to be for much of the Rudy Giuliani
administration and the entirety of the Mike Bloomberg administration, and
even the beginning of the Doblasi administration, where he coasted
on their accomplishments. It was a wonderful city to be in.
It was safe, and it was blooming, and it was
just doing super well. And then it really was collapse.
(08:03):
That's the only way I could describe it. But you
clearly love New York and you are staying and fighting
for it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are you hopeful? Depends on what day you ask me, Carol,
you know, like in general, yes, but don't I don't
know that from Manhattan. Donnie Bragg combo is a really
bad combo, right, Like, if I'm that hopeful, right right,
that's sticktuitiveness. It kind of worries me. It would be
(08:36):
a really really devastating combination for our city. I do hope.
I just saw it before I signed on here. That
supposedly Cuomo. Yeah, one of us, Like finally, one of
the guys that needs to drop out is saying one
of us needs to drop out, and like, I honestly
don't care who it is. I actually do think I
(08:56):
don't know if any of them are going to drop
out because they all have such egos polls, but I
you know, we non Mom Dannie voters should coalesce behind
one person. It's really hard to do when they're all
actively running. And as someone who has run before for office,
I know how hard it is to say, like step
aside for the good of this group, you know, like
(09:19):
people want to run. I get it, but in this
case it doesn't really make any sense. It does, if
I may say, though, it does highlight this issue that
I think New York suffers enormously from the under development
of the Republican Party. And if what happens is, you know,
(09:41):
politicians in New York, because it's a one party town,
only worry about getting primaried from the left, and so
they're constantly take to the left. And if you don't
have a Republican Party then you can't correct for that.
And in fact, I was working with something and the
New York Times r right after Trump one said the
(10:05):
Democrats are in denial and they have to come I
was reading this New York Times editorial and it said
they have to come to terms with why they lost
for real and understand getting like, you know, kind of
too far left, because we need a two party system.
They're like, we need even the New York Times said
even conservatives and Republicans should want a strong Democratic party
(10:26):
because we need a two party system. And I thought, oh,
I actually totally agree with that analysis. Yeah, for New
York City, and we need a strong Republican party and
to part to further answer your question about why I
would run is because I know that if you stand
up and you say, hey, look normal everyday people, former Democrats,
moms like will run for office as a Republican. I
(10:47):
know that other people, or at least I hope that
other people will think, like, oh, you can run as
a Republican and be a normal person and survive it
and do it. We need more and more candidates and
more and more quality candidates to run as Republicans because
you have to have that counterbalance or else the UNI Party,
the one party Democrat City. Yeah, galloping a very fringe. Yeah,
(11:12):
we'll go further and further to the left.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitz Show. So you were a
lifelong liberal and Democrat. Is this weird for you running
as a Republican? I mean being a Republican.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I I.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Trying to flip it to myself, like I've I've never
voted for a Democrat in my life. I don't know.
I don't know what needs to happen in order for
me to switch sides.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Look, i'll tell you what needs to happen. If Republicans
got so fringey and far right that they decided like
women shouldn't work outside of the home, if it was
Matt Walsh's Republican Party, where it was like Matt the
Way Men. I love Matt's show, I said, laugh at
it a lot when I watch it and listen to it.
I don't know that guy personally, but sometimes he makes
some really good and funny points. But if it was
(12:04):
his version of what it should be, where you and
I were like home, tending to the garden and the
kids and not being allowed to be out of the home,
and then it like.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Wait, wait, hold on, let's not let's not undersell that.
I I don't know that I wouldn't mind being home.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'm just kidding. I would stay home for many years too. It. Yeah,
there's great upside to having the choice for the right
moment in your life when it is but I just mean,
like the choice.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I know what you mean, but is it like is
it hard? Like it's part of your It was a
part of your identity to be a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean it was when being a Democrat made sense.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I tried, Carol, Like, I joined my community board in
twenty fourteen and tried to fight for the kind of
local middle school that they were opening up, and I
got quashed, Like I got my ideas were out the door.
And the funny thing is, ten years later, that middle
school is basically a failed middle school that they're trying
to march because they were like, no, no high quality academics,
(13:04):
no screens, no anything. They had restorative justice bullshit, kids
got like their teeth knocked out and fights, and this
isn't kind of Tribeca. It's like, like, so parents have
fled from that school. Right, ten years later, what do
I get? I get like, I was right. I went
to all your stupid sessions and I wrote my little
ideas on the post it notes and I was called
(13:25):
racist for one of the like honors programs.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So it's like, yeah, you were right too early again,
it's just got time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Totally, I've kind of totally have a timing problem. Look,
I knew what I had to do to be elected
as a Democrat, Carol, Like, I totally get that I
needed to never mention gender like I was trying. You know,
I should have just said the cops are racist, and
I as a public defender, I could have leaned into
(13:55):
cops are not perfect, they make mistakes. I could have
leaned into anomalist police butality cases and never mentioned the
importance of good policing in a city. I could have done.
I could have said all of the things that I
knew it said, but they weren't true, and I'm not
sort of I wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
What are you here for?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I'm not here to.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Like lie, And you know, it's like and.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
If I remember talking to a donor when I was
running for Congress who just said to me, like what,
I really think you should stop talking about trans issues.
And the thing is that person wasn't wrong to try
to get elected as a Democrat. I should have pretended
that sometimes kids need gender affirming care because that's the
more popular position, definitely in a deep blue city. It's
(14:42):
just obscene and immoral. So I won't pretend that, you know,
I won't say those things. And I don't know. This
is like thinking very long term, but like all the
things that I've said all along, like I've been proven
right on you know, like we should have opened our
schools earlier, like defunding the police is a giant mistake,
(15:06):
Like we of New York State is losing people. We're
leading the way in outward migration from a state because
of bad policies that are being implemented. I've been right
about all of those things. And I think I'm right
about the fact that the path to restoration for our
city is through the Republican Party. People just can't see
it yet, and when they eventually get there, I'll say
(15:27):
I was told you so.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Five and I'll tell you you right too early.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What do you worry about? I worry about the world
that my kids are going to graduate into. I have
a college kid and two high school kids, and so
we're getting close to that. You know, have a younger
one too, but I'm less worried about him, because you know,
he's still still time to turn it around. Yeah, but
I worry about the world my kids are graduating into
(15:55):
because it is very different from the one that a
gen X came had graduated into. You know, everything from
like AI changing workplace opportunities to sort of how how
socially fractured things are where kids. We didn't grow up
on cell phones, so we knew how to talk to
each other and how to go to parties. Yeah, it
was great.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It was the best era ever.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Totally, But I worry about that for them, Like this
world that they're graduating into, how sharply different it is
the world that we grew up in.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It really is. And there's so many things that I
just think we took for granted in our analog world that.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
They'll just never know.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Although, you know, once in a while, I'll see these
like posts on X where all the childhood we had
where we you know, played outside all day, like you
could still have that. My kids do that even though
they have iPads. That doesn't mean they're sitting at home
on them.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like they're still.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Playing outside all day and coming home, you know, not
when the street lights come out, because we don't really
have that. But you know the same.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But you have as a parent, you have to be
committed to making sure they get that because the default
is that kids can get sucked into TV or screens. Yeah,
you know, for sure, to create it for them.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, but as parents, you could you could do that
and you could say, you know, no, screens and yeah,
what advice would you give your sixteen year old self? Like,
what a sixteen year old maude need to know?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What's so funny that I mentioned Matt Walls to you
because I thought about this question before, and I thought
I didn't have to think about it so much because
I have a seventeen year old daughter, and much to
her chagrin, I've been giving her lots of advice. Yeah,
and one of the things I think is to just
reject sort of today's feminism because it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, you're never getting elected as a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Sorry, myself a feminist, But the fact of the matter is,
like today's go girl feminism is this kind of slutty,
like more morally corrupt, doesn't really offer girls like a
good path to walk down. And in fact, I'll say
(18:07):
I'm going to give a shout out to Louise Penny
who wrote this book. What is your book called The
Case Against the Sexual Revolution? Yeah, it's a brilliant read.
It's a slim little read. I gave it to my daughter,
who read it quickly and we had a fantastic conversation
about it. And I just think that you can be
a feminist in that for me, it's like women are
(18:30):
equally human and as valuable ass but also understand we're different,
and then it's totally okay to reject the what's being
offered to girls on the left because it's not a
world design to make to respect women and make them happy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Is the feminism today different from the feminism of when
you were sixteen?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Fiercely because for us, it was still this thing of like,
like you can have a job and raise your family.
It was like you can do both these things. And
it now we have people who are like how many
men can they sleep with in one day? You know
that are like the YouTube thing, the only fan. Now
it's like you can be an only fans and you
can buy a house after having raising this much money
(19:11):
on OnlyFans. Like we used to just know that that
was like slutty and pornographic. It was like shocking when
people did a you know, a centerfold spread on Playboy.
Now that like you don't even have to open Playboy
to see that kind of you know, skin that's just
in like people's websites and on people in magazines that
(19:32):
are regular magazines, And I just think it's I have
three sons and a daughter, and so having a daughter
and having you know, and wanting your sons to treat
women a certain way, and wanting your daughter to live
a certain way. It's like this thing that they're selling
you as feminism is not really feminism to me. And yeah,
(19:53):
that's what I would say, is like modern day feminism
is actually like this bait and switch for girls that
you have every right to reject.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I love that, Yeah, reject it all the way. I've
loved this conversation. Mod I think you are terrific and
I hope you are in New York's next District attorney.
Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners
on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, we touched on in a little bit already, but
I have to say, put down the phone, put down
the screen except for when you're listening to Carol Markowitz,
and get outside, be with your family and talk to
people in real life, touch grass people.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I say it all the time, and I think that
it really is one of the best pieces of advice.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Maud.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
She is Maud Maren candidate for Manhattan District Attorney. If
you live in Manhattan, I mean You're running out of
options here. People, grab Maud with both hands before we
steal her to Florida. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Thank you, Carol,
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