December 5, 2025 • 22 mins
In this episode, Karol sits down with Stu Burguiere to unpack his unconventional journey into media, the evolution of radio and podcasting, and why great storytelling still wins. Stu shares his trademark humor and contrarian thinking, offering predictions on future health trends, reflections on technology’s impact on family life, and practical advice on staying grounded in a fast-moving world. Whether you’re a media junkie, a curious creator, or just someone who loves a good laugh with real insight, this conversation delivers. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcood Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Stue bergere host of the Stu
Does America Show and co host of the Glenn Beck Program.
So nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Stew Carol, thanks so much for having me. This is great.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I am a longtime fan. I think you are really
smart and very funny. I was just telling you before
we started rolling that I love when you and Glenn
back were babies and you were explaining some urban, you know,
story to Glenn. It was hilarious. I watch it whenever
I'm having a bad day. It was great. It was
some great slang in there that you had to explain
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to Glenn as babies. It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, so we were able to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We're very prepared with the chubby cheeks as well, already
kind of in place, so we didn't even need the
AI for that stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I appreciate it. Thank you, and I'm a fan as well.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I love the stuff that you do, love your your
writing and all the broken over the years.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Thank you. So did you always want to be in media.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
From a pretty young age? Yes, I really kind of
fell in love with radio. It started out with sports,
and you know, I was a big fan of you know,
a big New York sports fan and listened to WFA
N and New.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
York, which was the first sports radio station.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And I was, you know, an obsessive fan, like listen
to every show all the time, and you know, to
the extent that you know, with my friends, we you know,
get the cassette recorder, we get around the TV.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We you know, do the play by play of the
NBA games.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And at first I wanted to do that, and it
kind of grew into a love for sports talk radio,
and eventually kind of grew into an idea of doing
entertainment around news, right, like doing something that like wasn't
the boring stuff that I feel like I heard when
it was when when I heard news talked about when
I was younger, you know, you're talking about I don't know,
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tort reform and tax rates or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
To do something that was also the most boring way possible.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Right, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I mean I will say I do talk a lot
about tax rates and tort reform now, but I try
to do it as in a little bit more entertaining way.
Sometimes only sometimes as an infant.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So how did you get your big break? What was
the start of the journey for you?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, you know, it was after interestingly, after high school.
You know, I was trying to get into the business,
and you know, you do. I dabbled here and there
trying to get started, and wound up moving back to
my hometown or my hometown area and heard an advertisement
for a promotions job. You know this, this is the
job where you go in and you the high end
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of it is you're hanging balloons around car Dealerships's amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, oh, it was highly Do you have the arrow
that you like? We did?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Don't make fun, Carol. We did have a prize wheel.
We had yep, we had that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Did you ever leave that job? That's sounds like chill.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I tried to stay.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Uh And that one they actually shockingly did pay me for.
I think it was like five dollars an hour, six
dollars an hour, just slightly above minimum wage at the time.
And of course, as everybody who worked in that type
of job, like you, were trying to move around and
move up in in in the in this in the
radio station was it was a radio station called Casey
one to one in new Haven, Connecticut. Coincidentally, the morning
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show host of Casey one to one in new Haven,
Connecticut was a man named Glenn Beck, who yeah, who
actually at that time was well known within the industry
for being a very successful morning show host on on
like an FM music station. Right like he was playing pop.
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He was playing Britney Spears, you know, CD.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Was playing Britney Spears CD.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yes, I have tapes, Carol, I can break up. I
get them to you if you want to break a
big story.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Why have you not given these tapes to anybody before?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
How did you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He was and at that point he had gone through
a very successful career in huge markets and made lots
and lots of money. And he would even admit to
this when I met him. His entire career was in
a state of utter collapse. He had gone through and
he'd gone through a divorce, he had gone through alcoholism.
His career was really sort of tanking, and he was
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at the lowest point of his career. But that was
the perfect time pick you up. I can't improve most
people's lives, Glenn, but yes, exactly. And it goes to
a place where one day we were at a car dealership.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It was a Toyota dealership.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
He was doing commercials for it, and we had an
event where the listeners are all going to come out
and meet their their favorite host. And I kid you not, Carol.
Literally zero people showed up for this event.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Zero. There was nobody there.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So then it's just me and him and Glenn, who
was just at this point just trying to kill time
to get through this event he has to do. Starts
asking me questions, what do you want to do, and
what are your interests?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Why are you here? Why are you working at this job?
And I think you know that type of job, Carol.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's like the typical person is there to like to
go to concerts, you know, get on the air, make jokes,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And I you know, I had come from I had
lived in Florida earlier and listened to a station called
w IOD in Miami, and they had this really entertaining thing.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They'd be talking about the news the day. They had
really funny people on, really aggressive. It was in your face.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
It was just I loved it when I lived there,
and I wanted to get into talk radio.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And at that age, I'm twenty years old.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Very few people want to do that, right, And Glenn
coincidentally was on that same path kind of around that
same time. He really cares about radio, really cares about
the industry, and was like, hey, here's a young person
who actually has some you know, energy and wants to
do news. And yeah, I was in the I really
wanted to do it, so I'm like, I'll do anything.
I'll come in overnight, so I'll do whatever you want.
And that's kind of how it started.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Wow, hard work really works.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I was told well then that socialism kicked in and
luckily they paid me for nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, no, it's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Actually, you have to you have to you know, work
hard and and and luckily have you know, be fortunate
to run into someone like, you know, Glenn in my case,
certainly be a great voice too.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like I don't think you can give Glenn all the
credit and then nobody showing up to his event. You
have a real good voice.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
What would you have done instead? What would a plan
B have looked like for you?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Gosh, you know, it was pretty early in my life
when I decided I wanted to get into specifically radio,
and radio as you know, you know, turns into podcasting
and TV and writing and all these other things. Now,
I was kind of happy to hide and never be seen,
frankly until everything got on the internet.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But I you know, it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think my one of the things I really always
loved doing was working with numbers. You know, I'm sort
of a numbers geek. You know, I was the you know,
I was the kid who would I would create my
own sports leagues and have spreadsheets of all the play
of the fake players, and you know, so I think, honestly,
that's probably you go where the demand is and nobody
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likes numbers, So I think I probably would have come
up with some you know, I don't know it was
investment advisor or accountant or something, probably honestly in a
world like that, because I do like working with numbers,
and I like sitting in front of spreadsheets for endless hours.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's funny, it sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
To most people.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Actually sounds too terrible. I had billionaire cliff Asnas on
the show, and he said, basically got into his career
because nobody likes math, and he liked math, So.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
For that plan beuse, I would be begging Cliff for
a job. Is where I would be if I wasn't
in a stupid radio right now?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Do you feel like everybody because you said, you know,
radio leads to other things like writing and whatever. I
think most people we started as writers and now everybody
kind of has to have a podcast. Do you feel
like we're all just invading your space? Or ybody has
to have at least one. I have two podcasts, so
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I know you have two podcasts, and everyone has at
least one, so I have to yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes, please nobody want to read? It is hard?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It is hard now, I mean because I know when
I started with Glenn, I wasn't on the air really
at all. It was as a exclusively a producer role
when I started, other than occasionally chiming in on something.
And really where I started when it came to doing
this and being able to form my own voice as
a commentator was through writing.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I mean I did.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I was Glenn's head writer for years and years and
years and years, and I wrote a lot for him.
I helped him write his books, you know, I helped
him write like monologues and things like speeches that he
would do, and that really helped me formulate a way
to work through whatever ideas I did have. You know,
it's not almost natural when you're talking about communication and
like drawing out a story. I mean, I know by
reading your stuff it's like it is. It's not just hey,
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here are my thoughts and you're just vomiting them out.
If you do that on radio or a podcast, you
might be able to hold onto a podcast, but you're
never going to be able to build a large audience
unless you know how to tell stories. And there's nobody
better than Glenn at that. I mean, he's in the
Radio Hall of Fame for a reason, and it's his storytelling.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know, all those people who didn't show up to
the dealership, they really missed out that day.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
They missed out.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I mean, he would tell you the work he was
doing at that particular period was not Radio Hall of
Fame worthy, but he went on to do great things,
and I think you're right. It winds up being this
world where you have to try to reach everybody everywhere. Now, yeah,
and I always I remember I listened to Rush Limbaugh
a lot when I was in that period before when
I was first learning and understanding that I wanted to
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do talk radio, and I listened to Rush like everybody
did back then.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And one of the things I always.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Grew jealous of when it came to Rush Limbaugh's he
was the last guy who was able to do it
exactly the way.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
He wanted to do radio, he wanted to come out,
he wanted to do his show three hours a day,
and he would tell you what he believed was important
in the way he wanted to do it, and then
he would be done, and you go.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Home and he'd read, and he'd research, and you do
all those things.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
But he didn't have to tweet fifty tears a day, right,
he didn't have to do five different podcasts. Like he
was the last real person who had so much power
and so much gravitas.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
He didn't have to do that stuff. Of course we
have to today, right.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's kind of Yeah, it sucks because you can't just
do this. You have to promote it. You have to
go out there and have people read you elsewhere. And yeah,
it's it's all. It's too much. It's too much. I
don't know. I might be done with this now. Just kidding.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I read your stuff all the time, but reading
you on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Thank you. I'm a writer. I consider myself a writer.
I've enjoyed doing this and I think I do something
a little bit different here, but I still am a writer,
and everything kind of points towards that. So you know,
I get it. I get you being like, everybody, get
out of my space, because what are we all doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I know, come on.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's fascinating though, because being in this industry for a
while before all of this started, you really like you
understand how this stuff has changed society. You know, in radio,
you know it's a joke and everyone they're lovable, but
everybody in radio is insane, like you. To get into
a business like that, you have to be crazy, and
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that goes from the hosts to the engineers to the
executives in the most lovable way possible.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We're all insane.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And part of that has to go with you live
your life sort of just mining it for materials, right,
Like you're always going through life, and I know as
a writer you feel the same way. You go into
a restaurant and you have an interaction with a waiter
that tells you something interesting. It's Yeah, it's not just
a conversation. It's going to, you know, be in your
next column or in your next show. And I feel
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like what we've done with the podcast and particularly social
media is we've turned everybody into a broadcaster. We've turned
everybody into a column writer. Everyone is mining their lives
constantly for material, and I think that's at least part
of the reason everyone's going insane. So much of it
is performative, and I don't know that that's healthy for everybody.
(12:11):
We should leave that with the crazy people that we
wanted to go into radio and writing.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I agree, And I think that we know too
much about each other, Like we can't know every single
random opinion you have, which we do, and you could
be like, oh, I hated you because you said that thing,
and it's too much.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What are you most proud of in your life?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm most proud of my life. That's a really interesting question.
I think I could give you this. I certainly am
proud of my kids and my family and all those
boring true answers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
When it comes to when it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Comes to all of this, when it comes to doing
media and thinking about politics and all those different things.
I think probably I'm most proud of my attempts at
making all of my judgments and decisions and and points
on issues. I try to really do that independently from
everything going on. You know, a lot of times you
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have these there's these big movements, everyone's going this way,
everyone says this is the thing. Yeah, And I try
to pull myself out of that all the time, and
it's not always easy.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And in fact, I don't know if you're the same way.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I suspect you are maybe in some sense, Carol, But
like I sometimes have to guard myself from just being contrarian, right,
Like my instinct is to see everyone going in one
way and be like, no, the other way, yeah, And
so I try to pull myself out of that as well.
Like I remember when Breaking Bad was on TV and
everyone was raving about it, and I'm like, come another
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one of the Like I was just constantly no, no, no, no,
would not watch it, and then one day, I don't know,
I was on a plane or something and started watching it.
I was like, this is incredible. Like I just missed
out on the first three seasons of Buzz on the
show out of that sort of inner contrarian, so trying
to avoid being contrarian, but really pull yourself out and
look at it what's going on, and think about what
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is actually true. I'm always on that search of what's
actually true rather than what the party believes today, or
what the president said or what the president didn't say
or whatever. So much of I think people's opinions these
days are controlled by what they're against or what everyone
they lay like is for. And I really try to
pull myself out out of that, even if it annoys
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the audience at times, and I think they appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think they appreciated it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
When you're writing as well, it's like you want to
have someone who's going to say, look, I know they're
saying this, but this part's true this time right, And
that's what I want out of a show that I
listened to.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I agree, you know, but how good does it feel
when you're a contrarian and you're right? If you hadn't
liked freaking bad, that would have been so much fun.
You know. I didn't like the movie shash Ank Redemption,
and I tweet about that like once a year. Once
a year, my followers get to hear how shosh Ank
Redemption is actually a bad movie.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's great. I had the same thing with the Bob biopic.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That just I didn't see it. Yeah. I love Bob Dylan,
and a.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Lot of people do.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I wouldn't say he's my favorite, but I know a
lot of people do, and he's certainly a legend and
should have a really good movie about his life.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I don't even Timothy Shallome was fine in the movie.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The problem with the movie is number one, what's interesting
apparently about Bob Dylan's persona is that he just underplays everything.
You know, some serious situations going on. He's like, I'm
gonna go over there and write and that's it, and
that's the So that's all he did. He didn't do anything,
and then nothing apparently happened to Bob Dylan in his life.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Carol. Yeah, the biggest.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Controversy in this movie is some people wanted him to
continue playing acoustic and he was like, I'm gonna start
playing an electric That.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Was it, right? Yeah, Yeah, I heard that was a
big deal. Dylan going electric is like the boomers still
talk about it, so they do.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I just don't feel like he didn't need two hours.
It's like a short film. Con would have been fine,
I think for that one. But yeah, so I do
apreciate it, and I like Shashank, but I like the
people who will come out and say, Nope, it wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's right once a year. Just look for that tweet.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I will, I will, I will. Even though I like Shoshank,
I will like the tweet when I see it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Carol, I promise we're going to take a quick break
and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show. Give
us a five year out prediction. It could be about anything,
you know, the country, the world, music, anything.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, let me give let me, let me give
you this one because some people are talking about this,
but I'm pretty aggressive on it. I think in the
next five years we are going to wipe out the
last twenty five years of the increase in obesity.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I think it's we're going to make incredible progress.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And then and I think it's the GLP ones are
the thing that gets a lot of a lot of attention,
and I think that's a huge part of it. But
I think also the Maha stuff is another part of it.
People really thinking about their health differently. And if you
think about that type of difference, I could come up
with a lot of really negative things to say, and
I say them all the time, but like as a positive,
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if we can get that under control and have a
massive reduction in that, the improvement in our health overall
is going to be massively impactful to the world, to
our politics, to really everything. I mean, people living longer
and enjoying their life better. I think that would be massive.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think we're going to rethink a lot of the
ways that we you know, when it comes to medicine
and health and how all that stuff works together. I
like Peter Attia quite a bit. You wrote a book
called Outlive, which talks about longevity in a way that
I think is really effective. I think a lot of
good things are coming that way. Now, we'll probably light
ourselves on fire in our politics and none of it
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will matter. But if we last for five more years,
I think we'll be a little thinner.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
That's big.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Look, you know, I have to say I was a
little irolly about Maha and about RFK juniors such a
lib like I just wasn't into it at all, but
I've been kind of impressed with the things that they've
been doing since he's been in there, And it's the
one that I kind of say that was where I
was probably most wrong in this last campaign. I think
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I was really thinking that this guy was, you know,
climate change warrior who was never going to change his stripes.
But he he's been very pleasantly surprising, and I agree
with you. I think it's going to be huge that
people are going to be thinner. I already see the
people who are on GLP ones. They're they're moving more,
they're posting workout videos like it's it is making other changes.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I mean even to the point of, you know, people
losing gambling addictions and alcohol things that are totally unrelated
to weight, right.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Something I didn't hear about that. What does it do?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, so they think, you.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Know, again, it's still new, and I understand some people
have skepticism over any new drug. That's you have to
always say that, but like, I think, you know it
it not only goes after they think it goes after
Addiction centers. One of the things, if you you know,
there's people who are overweight oftentimes just have that sort
of food noise going on all the time, like, oh gosh,
there's in a Claire over there, I.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Got to eat this a Claire.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm so hungry. Claire got to eat the Claire. And
this seems to go after those those centers where whatever
that thing is, you know, whether it's you know, biting
your fingernails or you know, you know, wanting to constantly
gamble or you know, all these things. Drugs interesting, seems
to show even improvements there, not to mention things like
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you know, even Alzheimer's and of course the things associated
directly with weight, you know, the diabetes and heart conditions.
So I think we're on the vergess of some really
massive improvements as far as that goes. And and I'm
with you honestly on the RFK Junior stuff, Like I
still at some level remain skeptical of him individually. I'm
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not I would not say I'm a fan. You know,
climate was a big part of that for me as well.
Oh luckily he's not in control of that. But I
see that I saw that bubbling up, all that stuff
bubbling up before RFK.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It wasn't It's not just a one guy thing.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think that's something where people are trying to get
back to thinking a little bit more carefully about what
they put in their bodies. I think COVID, I know
you've written extensively about this. I think that whole era
emphasized that quite a bit. And now there's these things
that might aid people and actually getting it done. It's
not just hey, will power yourself through it, which is
difficult for a lot of people. I think it's hey,
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you know, we have these things. Some of these are medications,
some of these are just lifestyle changes. Some of this
is exercise. I mean, you know, you know Peter Artia
talks about this in his book. It's like the best
drug being not a drug, but exercise. Right, people doing
these things. I think there's real hope here. So I'll
give you one optimistic one for five.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I love that. I love it. So that is so optimistic,
people living longer, living healthier, Like, what could be better
than that? I have loved this conversation. You are smart
and hilarious and I really enjoy speaking. To leave us
here with your best tip for my listeners on how
they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You probably have a million of these that are like
really high level, and then big.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Some people that are like, you know, get your car
cleaned like anything.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Let me give you one little one that I learned
myself as a parent growing up. You know, you're, of
course go through life, you have kids, and you're in
a busy time, right, Like, fundamentally, when you have children,
you're in maybe your busiest time.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You're thinking about your career, thinking about everything else.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And as you have little kids and they start to
look at you and talk and I you know, a
lot of times you're distracted, right You're on your phone,
you're doing different things, you're thinking about work, you're thinking
about all those other things, and a million different times
when you're at the peak moment of being distracted and
thinking about real life adult things, your kid is going
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to come to you and say, in my case, daddy,
and they will say, Daddy, what. And all I can
say about that is every single time that happens to you,
look at them, stop what you're doing, watch, and most importantly,
when they're done, they're going to look at you and
make sure you're looking.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
At them in the eyes. When that happens.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, I really think you know, my connection with my kids,
I swear is based strengthen so much by that. I
always tried to do that because they would do something.
They'd roll on the ground, or they'd throw something the
air and catch it or whatever it was, and in
their mind it's the most amazing thing, and all they
want to do is share it with you.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And if you're looking at your phone in that moment,
you're letting yourself down. You're letting them down, and you're
really doing yourself a disservice. So I would say, just
try to do that one thing.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Stu. I love that he is Stuper Gear. Check him
out at Studa's America and on the Glenn Back Program.
Thank you so much for coming on to do this.
Was great.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Thank you Carol. This is awesome.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcood Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Stue bergere host of the Stu
Does America Show and co host of the Glenn Beck Program.
So nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Stew Carol, thanks so much for having me. This is great.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I am a longtime fan. I think you are really
smart and very funny. I was just telling you before
we started rolling that I love when you and Glenn
back were babies and you were explaining some urban, you know,
story to Glenn. It was hilarious. I watch it whenever
I'm having a bad day. It was great. It was
some great slang in there that you had to explain
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to Glenn as babies. It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, so we were able to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We're very prepared with the chubby cheeks as well, already
kind of in place, so we didn't even need the
AI for that stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I appreciate it. Thank you, and I'm a fan as well.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I love the stuff that you do, love your your
writing and all the broken over the years.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Thank you. So did you always want to be in media.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
From a pretty young age? Yes, I really kind of
fell in love with radio. It started out with sports,
and you know, I was a big fan of you know,
a big New York sports fan and listened to WFA
N and New.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
York, which was the first sports radio station.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And I was, you know, an obsessive fan, like listen
to every show all the time, and you know, to
the extent that you know, with my friends, we you know,
get the cassette recorder, we get around the TV.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We you know, do the play by play of the
NBA games.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And at first I wanted to do that, and it
kind of grew into a love for sports talk radio,
and eventually kind of grew into an idea of doing
entertainment around news, right, like doing something that like wasn't
the boring stuff that I feel like I heard when
it was when when I heard news talked about when
I was younger, you know, you're talking about I don't know,
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tort reform and tax rates or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
To do something that was also the most boring way possible.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Right, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I mean I will say I do talk a lot
about tax rates and tort reform now, but I try
to do it as in a little bit more entertaining way.
Sometimes only sometimes as an infant.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So how did you get your big break? What was
the start of the journey for you?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, you know, it was after interestingly, after high school.
You know, I was trying to get into the business,
and you know, you do. I dabbled here and there
trying to get started, and wound up moving back to
my hometown or my hometown area and heard an advertisement
for a promotions job. You know this, this is the
job where you go in and you the high end
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of it is you're hanging balloons around car Dealerships's amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, oh, it was highly Do you have the arrow
that you like? We did?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Don't make fun, Carol. We did have a prize wheel.
We had yep, we had that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Did you ever leave that job? That's sounds like chill.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I tried to stay.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Uh And that one they actually shockingly did pay me for.
I think it was like five dollars an hour, six
dollars an hour, just slightly above minimum wage at the time.
And of course, as everybody who worked in that type
of job, like you, were trying to move around and
move up in in in the in this in the
radio station was it was a radio station called Casey
one to one in new Haven, Connecticut. Coincidentally, the morning
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show host of Casey one to one in new Haven,
Connecticut was a man named Glenn Beck, who yeah, who
actually at that time was well known within the industry
for being a very successful morning show host on on
like an FM music station. Right like he was playing pop.
(03:46):
He was playing Britney Spears, you know, CD.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Was playing Britney Spears CD.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yes, I have tapes, Carol, I can break up. I
get them to you if you want to break a
big story.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Why have you not given these tapes to anybody before?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
How did you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He was and at that point he had gone through
a very successful career in huge markets and made lots
and lots of money. And he would even admit to
this when I met him. His entire career was in
a state of utter collapse. He had gone through and
he'd gone through a divorce, he had gone through alcoholism.
His career was really sort of tanking, and he was
(04:23):
at the lowest point of his career. But that was
the perfect time pick you up. I can't improve most
people's lives, Glenn, but yes, exactly. And it goes to
a place where one day we were at a car dealership.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It was a Toyota dealership.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
He was doing commercials for it, and we had an
event where the listeners are all going to come out
and meet their their favorite host. And I kid you not, Carol.
Literally zero people showed up for this event.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Zero. There was nobody there.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So then it's just me and him and Glenn, who
was just at this point just trying to kill time
to get through this event he has to do. Starts
asking me questions, what do you want to do, and
what are your interests?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Why are you here? Why are you working at this job?
And I think you know that type of job, Carol.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's like the typical person is there to like to
go to concerts, you know, get on the air, make jokes,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And I you know, I had come from I had
lived in Florida earlier and listened to a station called
w IOD in Miami, and they had this really entertaining thing.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They'd be talking about the news the day. They had
really funny people on, really aggressive. It was in your face.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
It was just I loved it when I lived there,
and I wanted to get into talk radio.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And at that age, I'm twenty years old.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Very few people want to do that, right, And Glenn
coincidentally was on that same path kind of around that
same time. He really cares about radio, really cares about
the industry, and was like, hey, here's a young person
who actually has some you know, energy and wants to
do news. And yeah, I was in the I really
wanted to do it, so I'm like, I'll do anything.
I'll come in overnight, so I'll do whatever you want.
And that's kind of how it started.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Wow, hard work really works.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I was told well then that socialism kicked in and
luckily they paid me for nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, no, it's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Actually, you have to you have to you know, work
hard and and and luckily have you know, be fortunate
to run into someone like, you know, Glenn in my case,
certainly be a great voice too.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Like I don't think you can give Glenn all the
credit and then nobody showing up to his event. You
have a real good voice.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
What would you have done instead? What would a plan
B have looked like for you?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Gosh, you know, it was pretty early in my life
when I decided I wanted to get into specifically radio,
and radio as you know, you know, turns into podcasting
and TV and writing and all these other things. Now,
I was kind of happy to hide and never be seen,
frankly until everything got on the internet.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
But I you know, it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think my one of the things I really always
loved doing was working with numbers. You know, I'm sort
of a numbers geek. You know, I was the you know,
I was the kid who would I would create my
own sports leagues and have spreadsheets of all the play
of the fake players, and you know, so I think, honestly,
that's probably you go where the demand is and nobody
(07:07):
likes numbers, So I think I probably would have come
up with some you know, I don't know it was
investment advisor or accountant or something, probably honestly in a
world like that, because I do like working with numbers,
and I like sitting in front of spreadsheets for endless hours.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's funny, it sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
To most people.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Actually sounds too terrible. I had billionaire cliff Asnas on
the show, and he said, basically got into his career
because nobody likes math, and he liked math, So.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
For that plan beuse, I would be begging Cliff for
a job. Is where I would be if I wasn't
in a stupid radio right now?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Do you feel like everybody because you said, you know,
radio leads to other things like writing and whatever. I
think most people we started as writers and now everybody
kind of has to have a podcast. Do you feel
like we're all just invading your space? Or ybody has
to have at least one. I have two podcasts, so
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I know you have two podcasts, and everyone has at
least one, so I have to yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes, please nobody want to read? It is hard?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It is hard now, I mean because I know when
I started with Glenn, I wasn't on the air really
at all. It was as a exclusively a producer role
when I started, other than occasionally chiming in on something.
And really where I started when it came to doing
this and being able to form my own voice as
a commentator was through writing.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I mean I did.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I was Glenn's head writer for years and years and
years and years, and I wrote a lot for him.
I helped him write his books, you know, I helped
him write like monologues and things like speeches that he
would do, and that really helped me formulate a way
to work through whatever ideas I did have. You know,
it's not almost natural when you're talking about communication and
like drawing out a story. I mean, I know by
reading your stuff it's like it is. It's not just hey,
(08:58):
here are my thoughts and you're just vomiting them out.
If you do that on radio or a podcast, you
might be able to hold onto a podcast, but you're
never going to be able to build a large audience
unless you know how to tell stories. And there's nobody
better than Glenn at that. I mean, he's in the
Radio Hall of Fame for a reason, and it's his storytelling.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know, all those people who didn't show up to
the dealership, they really missed out that day.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
They missed out.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I mean, he would tell you the work he was
doing at that particular period was not Radio Hall of
Fame worthy, but he went on to do great things,
and I think you're right. It winds up being this
world where you have to try to reach everybody everywhere. Now, yeah,
and I always I remember I listened to Rush Limbaugh
a lot when I was in that period before when
I was first learning and understanding that I wanted to
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do talk radio, and I listened to Rush like everybody
did back then.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And one of the things I always.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Grew jealous of when it came to Rush Limbaugh's he
was the last guy who was able to do it
exactly the way.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
He wanted to do radio, he wanted to come out,
he wanted to do his show three hours a day,
and he would tell you what he believed was important
in the way he wanted to do it, and then
he would be done, and you go.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Home and he'd read, and he'd research, and you do
all those things.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
But he didn't have to tweet fifty tears a day, right,
he didn't have to do five different podcasts. Like he
was the last real person who had so much power
and so much gravitas.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
He didn't have to do that stuff. Of course we
have to today, right.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's kind of Yeah, it sucks because you can't just
do this. You have to promote it. You have to
go out there and have people read you elsewhere. And yeah,
it's it's all. It's too much. It's too much. I
don't know. I might be done with this now. Just kidding.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I read your stuff all the time, but reading
you on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Thank you. I'm a writer. I consider myself a writer.
I've enjoyed doing this and I think I do something
a little bit different here, but I still am a writer,
and everything kind of points towards that. So you know,
I get it. I get you being like, everybody, get
out of my space, because what are we all doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I know, come on.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's fascinating though, because being in this industry for a
while before all of this started, you really like you
understand how this stuff has changed society. You know, in radio,
you know it's a joke and everyone they're lovable, but
everybody in radio is insane, like you. To get into
a business like that, you have to be crazy, and
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that goes from the hosts to the engineers to the
executives in the most lovable way possible.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We're all insane.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And part of that has to go with you live
your life sort of just mining it for materials, right,
Like you're always going through life, and I know as
a writer you feel the same way. You go into
a restaurant and you have an interaction with a waiter
that tells you something interesting. It's Yeah, it's not just
a conversation. It's going to, you know, be in your
next column or in your next show. And I feel
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like what we've done with the podcast and particularly social
media is we've turned everybody into a broadcaster. We've turned
everybody into a column writer. Everyone is mining their lives
constantly for material, and I think that's at least part
of the reason everyone's going insane. So much of it
is performative, and I don't know that that's healthy for everybody.
(12:11):
We should leave that with the crazy people that we
wanted to go into radio and writing.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I agree, And I think that we know too
much about each other, Like we can't know every single
random opinion you have, which we do, and you could
be like, oh, I hated you because you said that thing,
and it's too much.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What are you most proud of in your life?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm most proud of my life. That's a really interesting question.
I think I could give you this. I certainly am
proud of my kids and my family and all those
boring true answers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
When it comes to when it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Comes to all of this, when it comes to doing
media and thinking about politics and all those different things.
I think probably I'm most proud of my attempts at
making all of my judgments and decisions and and points
on issues. I try to really do that independently from
everything going on. You know, a lot of times you
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have these there's these big movements, everyone's going this way,
everyone says this is the thing. Yeah, And I try
to pull myself out of that all the time, and
it's not always easy.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And in fact, I don't know if you're the same way.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I suspect you are maybe in some sense, Carol, But
like I sometimes have to guard myself from just being contrarian, right,
Like my instinct is to see everyone going in one
way and be like, no, the other way, yeah, And
so I try to pull myself out of that as well.
Like I remember when Breaking Bad was on TV and
everyone was raving about it, and I'm like, come another
(13:39):
one of the Like I was just constantly no, no, no, no,
would not watch it, and then one day, I don't know,
I was on a plane or something and started watching it.
I was like, this is incredible. Like I just missed
out on the first three seasons of Buzz on the
show out of that sort of inner contrarian, so trying
to avoid being contrarian, but really pull yourself out and
look at it what's going on, and think about what
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is actually true. I'm always on that search of what's
actually true rather than what the party believes today, or
what the president said or what the president didn't say
or whatever. So much of I think people's opinions these
days are controlled by what they're against or what everyone
they lay like is for. And I really try to
pull myself out out of that, even if it annoys
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the audience at times, and I think they appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think they appreciated it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
When you're writing as well, it's like you want to
have someone who's going to say, look, I know they're
saying this, but this part's true this time right, And
that's what I want out of a show that I
listened to.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I agree, you know, but how good does it feel
when you're a contrarian and you're right? If you hadn't
liked freaking bad, that would have been so much fun.
You know. I didn't like the movie shash Ank Redemption,
and I tweet about that like once a year. Once
a year, my followers get to hear how shosh Ank
Redemption is actually a bad movie.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's great. I had the same thing with the Bob biopic.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That just I didn't see it. Yeah. I love Bob Dylan,
and a.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Lot of people do.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I wouldn't say he's my favorite, but I know a
lot of people do, and he's certainly a legend and
should have a really good movie about his life.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I don't even Timothy Shallome was fine in the movie.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
The problem with the movie is number one, what's interesting
apparently about Bob Dylan's persona is that he just underplays everything.
You know, some serious situations going on. He's like, I'm
gonna go over there and write and that's it, and
that's the So that's all he did. He didn't do anything,
and then nothing apparently happened to Bob Dylan in his life.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Carol. Yeah, the biggest.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Controversy in this movie is some people wanted him to
continue playing acoustic and he was like, I'm gonna start
playing an electric That.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Was it, right? Yeah, Yeah, I heard that was a
big deal. Dylan going electric is like the boomers still
talk about it, so they do.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I just don't feel like he didn't need two hours.
It's like a short film. Con would have been fine,
I think for that one. But yeah, so I do
apreciate it, and I like Shashank, but I like the
people who will come out and say, Nope, it wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's right once a year. Just look for that tweet.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I will, I will, I will. Even though I like Shoshank,
I will like the tweet when I see it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Carol, I promise we're going to take a quick break
and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show. Give
us a five year out prediction. It could be about anything,
you know, the country, the world, music, anything.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, let me give let me, let me give
you this one because some people are talking about this,
but I'm pretty aggressive on it. I think in the
next five years we are going to wipe out the
last twenty five years of the increase in obesity.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I think it's we're going to make incredible progress.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And then and I think it's the GLP ones are
the thing that gets a lot of a lot of attention,
and I think that's a huge part of it. But
I think also the Maha stuff is another part of it.
People really thinking about their health differently. And if you
think about that type of difference, I could come up
with a lot of really negative things to say, and
I say them all the time, but like as a positive,
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if we can get that under control and have a
massive reduction in that, the improvement in our health overall
is going to be massively impactful to the world, to
our politics, to really everything. I mean, people living longer
and enjoying their life better. I think that would be massive.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think we're going to rethink a lot of the
ways that we you know, when it comes to medicine
and health and how all that stuff works together. I
like Peter Attia quite a bit. You wrote a book
called Outlive, which talks about longevity in a way that
I think is really effective. I think a lot of
good things are coming that way. Now, we'll probably light
ourselves on fire in our politics and none of it
(17:48):
will matter. But if we last for five more years,
I think we'll be a little thinner.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
That's big.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Look, you know, I have to say I was a
little irolly about Maha and about RFK juniors such a
lib like I just wasn't into it at all, but
I've been kind of impressed with the things that they've
been doing since he's been in there, And it's the
one that I kind of say that was where I
was probably most wrong in this last campaign. I think
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I was really thinking that this guy was, you know,
climate change warrior who was never going to change his stripes.
But he he's been very pleasantly surprising, and I agree
with you. I think it's going to be huge that
people are going to be thinner. I already see the
people who are on GLP ones. They're they're moving more,
they're posting workout videos like it's it is making other changes.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I mean even to the point of, you know, people
losing gambling addictions and alcohol things that are totally unrelated
to weight, right.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Something I didn't hear about that. What does it do?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, so they think, you.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Know, again, it's still new, and I understand some people
have skepticism over any new drug. That's you have to
always say that, but like, I think, you know it
it not only goes after they think it goes after
Addiction centers. One of the things, if you you know,
there's people who are overweight oftentimes just have that sort
of food noise going on all the time, like, oh gosh,
there's in a Claire over there, I.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Got to eat this a Claire.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm so hungry. Claire got to eat the Claire. And
this seems to go after those those centers where whatever
that thing is, you know, whether it's you know, biting
your fingernails or you know, you know, wanting to constantly
gamble or you know, all these things. Drugs interesting, seems
to show even improvements there, not to mention things like
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you know, even Alzheimer's and of course the things associated
directly with weight, you know, the diabetes and heart conditions.
So I think we're on the vergess of some really
massive improvements as far as that goes. And and I'm
with you honestly on the RFK Junior stuff, Like I
still at some level remain skeptical of him individually. I'm
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not I would not say I'm a fan. You know,
climate was a big part of that for me as well.
Oh luckily he's not in control of that. But I
see that I saw that bubbling up, all that stuff
bubbling up before RFK.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It wasn't It's not just a one guy thing.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think that's something where people are trying to get
back to thinking a little bit more carefully about what
they put in their bodies. I think COVID, I know
you've written extensively about this. I think that whole era
emphasized that quite a bit. And now there's these things
that might aid people and actually getting it done. It's
not just hey, will power yourself through it, which is
difficult for a lot of people. I think it's hey,
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you know, we have these things. Some of these are medications,
some of these are just lifestyle changes. Some of this
is exercise. I mean, you know, you know Peter Artia
talks about this in his book. It's like the best
drug being not a drug, but exercise. Right, people doing
these things. I think there's real hope here. So I'll
give you one optimistic one for five.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I love that. I love it. So that is so optimistic,
people living longer, living healthier, Like, what could be better
than that? I have loved this conversation. You are smart
and hilarious and I really enjoy speaking. To leave us
here with your best tip for my listeners on how
they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You probably have a million of these that are like
really high level, and then big.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Some people that are like, you know, get your car
cleaned like anything.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Let me give you one little one that I learned
myself as a parent growing up. You know, you're, of
course go through life, you have kids, and you're in
a busy time, right, Like, fundamentally, when you have children,
you're in maybe your busiest time.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You're thinking about your career, thinking about everything else.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And as you have little kids and they start to
look at you and talk and I you know, a
lot of times you're distracted, right You're on your phone,
you're doing different things, you're thinking about work, you're thinking
about all those other things, and a million different times
when you're at the peak moment of being distracted and
thinking about real life adult things, your kid is going
(21:56):
to come to you and say, in my case, daddy,
and they will say, Daddy, what. And all I can
say about that is every single time that happens to you,
look at them, stop what you're doing, watch, and most importantly,
when they're done, they're going to look at you and
make sure you're looking.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
At them in the eyes. When that happens.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, I really think you know, my connection with my kids,
I swear is based strengthen so much by that. I
always tried to do that because they would do something.
They'd roll on the ground, or they'd throw something the
air and catch it or whatever it was, and in
their mind it's the most amazing thing, and all they
want to do is share it with you.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And if you're looking at your phone in that moment,
you're letting yourself down. You're letting them down, and you're
really doing yourself a disservice. So I would say, just
try to do that one thing.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Stu. I love that he is Stuper Gear. Check him
out at Studa's America and on the Glenn Back Program.
Thank you so much for coming on to do this.
Was great.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Thank you Carol. This is awesome.
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