October 24, 2024 • 35 mins
In this episode, Lisa delves into Pennsylvania's political landscape ahead of the 2024 elections, highlighting shifts in voter registration favoring Republicans. A paid advertisement features Democratic Senator Bob Casey aligning with Trump, signaling a strategic move to appeal to split-ticket voters. Cliff Maloney, CEO of Citizens Alliance, discusses the Pennsylvania Chase initiative aimed at mobilizing Republican voters through grassroots efforts. Maloney emphasizes the importance of voter turnout, particularly mail-in ballots, and shares insights on voter concerns and election integrity. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Pennsylvania is probably the most important battleground state with nineteen
Electoral College votes. It's a state where Joe Biden barely
won in twenty twenty with just a little over one
percentage points. It's also a state where Republicans have been
gaining ground. When you look at voter registration compared to
twenty twenty, Democrats have seen a net loss of two
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hundred and fifty seven two hundred and eighty one. Republicans
have seen a net gain of four hundred and twenty
eight thousand, five hundred and thirty seven. So how does
that translate into twenty twenty four? What does that mean
for Republicans in the state. You look at the real
clear politics average, Donald Trump is up. But beyond that,
you look at some of the things that are happening
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in the state. You've got the vulnerable Democrat Senator there
Bob Casey, in the final couple of weeks of his election,
in his closing argument with paid advertising, trying to tie
himself to Donald Trump, touting is support of Donald Trump.
Listen to this, and he sided with Trump to end
NAFTACK and put tariffs on China to stop them from cheating.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So in this House we agree it's Bob Casey who's
doing right by Pennsylvania. I'm Bob Casey, and I definitely
approved this message. I've got to tell you someone you know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Look, I was a communications director on his Senate race
on Wisconsin. I was the vice president of polling firm.
I've worked on a lot of campaigns throughout my time.
You don't tie yourself to someone who's politically unpopular in
her state. You don't tie yourself to someone who you
think is losing. What Bob Casey is hoping is split
ticket voters. He hopes that they vote for Donald Trump
on the top of the ticket and then they go
for him. This is a good sign for Republicans. But
(01:41):
today what we're going to do is we're going to
talk to someone who's very.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Much on the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
His entire business is grassroots campaigning. He's helped major wins
for people like Senator Rampaul Congressman Tom Massey, and he
is part of something called the Pennsylvania Chase.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's an effort run by Citizens.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Alliance, and its objective is to knock on five hundred
thousand doors to chase Republicans in the state of Pennsylvania
to try to win. And what's interesting is if you
go back to twenty twenty, Trump lost by around eighty
thousand votes in Pennsylvania. Well, guess what, there were one
hundred and forty one thousand Republicans voters who left their
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ballot on the dining room tables who didn't bother to
turn it in.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's what Cliff Maloney is trying to do in the
state of Pennsylvania is to make sure no ballots are left,
no doors are left unknocked, that we are getting our
people out, and that we are winning the state. So
we're going to dig into the state of Pennsylvania with him.
What is he saying, what does he know and what
do you need to know? So stay tuned for that
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battleground state.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
If not, you know, definitely, you know, like top two, top.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Three, I guess first of all, you know, start off
telling us a little bit about the Pennsylvania Chase.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You know what is it? You know, why did you
start a.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, absolutely appreciate you having me. So the Phchase was
started about a year ago. It's a program of our organization,
which is called Citizens Alliance, and I served as the CEO.
And pretty much this all came to be because when
they changed all these rules in Pennsylvania, they allowed for
fifty days of mail in Ballance. You know, when I
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grew up in Delaware County outside of Philadelphia, everybody voted
all one day election day, right, So in twenty twenty
during COVID, they kind of changed these rules. And the
Republican response in twenty twenty, which was my response, was well,
we want to vote the most sure way. And so
two million people voted for Joe Biden by mail, six
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hundred thousand showed up for Trump. So we were down
by one point four million votes going into election day.
Trump won Election Day by one point three million votes,
but obviously wasn't enough to pull it off. And then
twenty twenty one, we all said, well, let's see if
the courts will change the rules. Back in twenty twenty two,
we said, let's see if the legislature will change the
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rules back and LISTA. They did, right, and so then
in twenty twenty three we got such a shell lacking
that enough for Republicans and this just wasn't you know,
I remain yet right, but enough for Publicans. We're like, listen,
we need to figure out how to do what the
Democrats do. My whole career, at least has been doing
paid round games, putting together these infrastructures for Republican conservative campaigns,
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and so we were kind of tapped to be the
group in Pennsylvania. That's why we launched the phase. And
I got to tell you it is wild and exciting
being on the ground in my home state knowing that
if we fix this mail in ballot problem for Republicans,
we not only win PA, we likely win the White House.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well and what people you know, So when I was
on campaigns, I know worked as like a com udications
director and always on the commside. So you know, obviously
we're trying to get the message out, but I mean
it's up to you guys to get the votes out.
And if you don't chase those ballots, which is what
you guys are doing. If you don't get people to
actually turn in those mail ballots, actually get out to
the polls and vote, you know, none of it matters, right,
(06:17):
because you don't win the election, and so your objective
is to knock on five hundred thousand doors. I think
what's interesting about Pennsylvania right now, and I'd love to
kind of hear a little bit more about this from you,
is you know, there was a Fox article recently, a
lot written about Democrats losing their edge in voter registration,
and since twenty twenty, Democrats have seen a net loss
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of two hundred and fifty seven thousand, two hundred and
eighty one. Republicans have seen a net gain of four
hundred and twenty eight thousand, five hundred and thirty seven
and even in Philadelphia something like eighteen thousand, nine hundred
and twenty nine democrats changing their party affiliation. So that's
pretty significant. You know, what do you attribute that to?
And you know, how do you see that impacting this
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presidential is.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, this is what I'd say, I'd much rather be
us than them, and especially the way the trends are going,
I mean they are hemorrhaging, right and we are gaining
and that's been you know, not just from since twenty twenty,
but since twenty sixteen. I mean their advantage now is
under a net of three hundred thousand. If you would
have told me that four years ago, I would thought
you're crazy, you know, And I just I think that
(07:25):
there's a lot to thank for that. But I think
the variable is Donald Trump, right, and the second variable
is Harris.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
If people have now.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Seen when Harris administration is, what life is like, what
the economies like, what the borders like, and they prepared
it to Trump. I think that's why you're seeing all
these trends in terms of the numbers. And look, Democrats
are hammicking because everybody looks at poles. But then you
have the mail in ballot. Well, then you have registration
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of course, then you have the mail in ballot requests
because remember in Pennsylvania you have to request. It's not
a state they automatically send everybody a ballot and so
each year a reset, so you have to request it
whoever requests it. You have all that data, and then
the most important data is when the party, each of
the registered members of the party return their ballot. All
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that is public information. Now you don't know who they'vevted
it for, right, this is a secret ballot, but you
know when it comes back. And so our objective to
knock those five hundred thousand doors. The way we do
it is we have one hundred and twenty full time staff.
They've been on the ground since September first. We've not
just over three hundred thousand. So we are past a
(08:37):
halfway point and coming down to the final stretch these
last two weeks. But I am telling you it is
the greatest in terms of you're talking to people that
are on your team that have a ballot sitting on
their dining room tape. Okay, these are primary voters where
I've got to convince them that hey, this guy's a
(08:58):
strong constitutional conserve and this guy's a fake Republican needs
a rhino. Those are tough conversations, right, if you're in
a general election and you've got to talk to swing voters, Okay,
those are tough conversations. These doors are fun. It's like, hey,
we're here for the Republican ticket. You've got to ballot.
I know you're a Republican. Can we get you to
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commit to voting today? And the Democrat tactic that we
stole from them. I'll be blunt about it, is you
go back every seven days. So if Bob tells me
he's going to submit his ballot, why check the data.
Seven days later, we run the report, and if Bob
hasn't voted yet, we're back at his door with the
(09:40):
same familiar faith. And so some of these people, I'm
not going to call him out by name, but some
of the Republicans were targeting. We've been to their door
three times. We might be there next week for a
fourth time. But Democrats call this a reminder campaign, and
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You know, ed, what are you great hearing because you know,
obviously you're you know, you learn a lot more when
you're on the ground versus you know us kind of
like trying to look from the outside of what's going on, Like,
what are you guys hearing from these voters when you
were going to door to door? Like, what's your gut
instinct telling you right now? What are the issues that
the voters you're interacting with are most fired up about?
(11:20):
You know, kind of give us a little insight into
to what you guys have been learning and your efforts
to go door to door.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, and I look at our daily tracker, you know,
I can see the numbers, I can see the feedback
on our surveys. I'm out chasing ballots myself as much
as I can be. There's a couple of things I've
notice that are different. Let me let me start the
things that aren't okay. The number one issue by far
order security and the idea of putting food on the data. Right,
The economy and the border. I mean, how you know,
maybe one versus two, two versus one depending on certain areas,
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but those are the issues.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Are you better off four years ago than you are today?
Based on the economy, based on the border impacting your community?
I mean, these are the things that are ramped up
for Republicans to be frank. I mean Donald Trump is
brushing Kamala on both of those things. Right when it
comes to who has better solutions? Who do people trust more?
I mean every pole. Even in some of these polls
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Democrats trump trust Trump, but are on the economy, it's
kind of wild. So on the two most important issues,
the Democrats are A to blame and B don't offer
any solution. But let me talking about some of the
anecdotal stuff that has been wild my time in Philadelphia,
Monco Bucks and Chester and Delco. I have never seen
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les to the type of response from black men. They
are excited about Trump. They are not a fan of
Kamala Harris. And I'm specifically talking about black men. I'm
not talking about black women. I'm not the response from
black men. This is not twenty sixteen. Something has changed
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since twenty twenty. But I don't know if they just
were kind of bought into Joe Biden and there's been
this change. But I think it's the economy and them
going through four years of a Biden Harris administration. But
I'm not giving you like a oh, this happened one time, right,
The amount of black men in the Philly suburbs and
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in the Pittsburgh suburbs that are excited about Donald Trump,
I think this will be an historic year for black
men when it comes to Republican support, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And what's interesting about it is, you know, obviously, you know,
those of us who have worked in you know, politics,
it's like you're obviously looking at the polling. You know,
you're looking at the numbers and when you're going to
chase these ballots, but we're also looking at how the
campaigns are behaving, and they're messaging and and sort of
you know, collective all of the information right and we've
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seen them sort of make this desperate play for black
men to your point, and Obama trying to shame them
and like doing the whole like you ain't black if
you don't, you know, like but Biden did. And you know,
there's this real like shaming of black men right now,
which really goes to show you how concerned they are
about it. And there was this recent Politico article talking about,
(14:09):
you know, Democrat concerns in Pennsylvania. I'm sure you saw
it in the headline read Pennsylvania is such a mess
inside Team Harris's unusual levels of finger pointing, and they're
talking about concerns with black men as well. You know,
I mean, what's how much have you learned about sort
of their ground game in the Democrats game in Pennsylvania.
(14:31):
Do you think this Politico article talking about, you know,
kind of Democrats concerns about lack of ground game and
it's all kind of falling apart in Pennsylvania. Has that
sort of like been your experience or you know kind
of what are your general thoughts about their ground game
in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So I think Politico gets it half right. Yeah, you know,
they say that, hey, they're flailing and they're you know,
they're not organized, and then they're not seeing results. So
I would argue they're extremely organized. I think they have
twice as many people on the ground as they had
twenty twenty. I think they're spending twice as much money
as they did in twenty twenty, but they're not seeing
(15:09):
the results. Right. Let me give you some numbers, Okay,
so let's let's talk Democrats specifically, then I'll talk Republicans.
At this time, I'm talking as of this morning. Back
in twenty twenty, one point five billion Democrats had read
or should you had requested a ballot. Okay, today they're
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just over a million. They're down five hundred thousand mail
in ballot requests. Now they can still request for the
next six days. Okay, just to be clear, But they've
never really spiked in the final week. They usually spike
in August the first half of September, and they missed that.
This is the first year that they were not able
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to kind of do that, even with staff on the ground.
So when you're down a half a million requests, the
Democrat response to that is, oh, well, it's not COVID
and more they're going to vote on election day. Well,
we as Republicans, have learned it's much easier to get
somebody who's low propensity, meaning unlikely to vote. It's much
(16:12):
easier to get them to vote if you send them
a ballot and they have two weeks with it sitting
on their table, and you can go chase it and
get them to send it back. So now they're relying
on turning all those people on an election debt. And
so I actually tell people the biggest variable here is
not Trump support. I mean, we're crushing it with the
mail in ballots when we're doing our chase. I'll talk
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to you about those numbers here. Shortly, Republicans are going
to show up on election date. The biggest variable is
how to Democrats take their whole model of banking the
vote and running up the score and now find themselves
flat footed and having to adjust because not enough people
requested and now they have to turn them all out
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on Tuesday, November fit. That to me is going to
be the story now. I still think Republicans, this is
our to loose. I think if we blow it out
of the park, there's no way they have the votes
to win. But if we're kind of mediocre on election day,
they'd have to pull off a miracle. So I'd much
rather be us. I think the numbers are in our favors.
And that's kind of the picture for the Democrats in
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terms of requests where they were four years ago versus today.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, how much when we talk about sort of
Republicans changing their party affiliation, do you think that is
fully getting picked up? And the polling we're staying out
of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Now, and I think that anybody who tells you, and
this is not a shot at any of our friends
that do polling, but I just think anybody that tells
you that they've got a good sense of how to
predict some of these behaviors, there's just not enough data.
I mean, they change the rules in twenty twenty, so
we've had one presidential election, We've had two off here elections,
(17:53):
We've had one midterm. Those have been the four elections
to get us to today. None of those elections, except
for twenty one in twenty three, are really that comparable.
You know, twenty twenty we're in the height of COVID, right.
It was the first time you could actually request a
bail about it at vote by mail in Pennsylvania. So
I just think any pollster that's trying to figure it out,
(18:16):
it it just it's not that they're not trying, but
it's so hard because here's the thing you have to weigh.
Whenever somebody does a big poll, they're obviously looking at
weighing the pole, so it matches the demographics of who
is likely to vote. But what's tough is they're asking
people how they're going to vote, whether it's by mail,
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in person, early in person, this new thing they have
at PA. And then obviously they're getting their likelihood of
voting based on the previous four eight elections how many
times they voted. The problem with that is when the
rules continuously change and the environment changes, a lot of
the ways that you would usually do predictive modeling don't
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add up. And so I think the best way to
look at the polling is to understand that most of
the polls have always kind of been off by three
to four points, leaning left, meaning they you know, they
pushed Trump three or four on election day compared to
where he was, he did better than the polls. Well,
if you look at that comparison of twenty sixteen to
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twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. Trump looks like he
did a great spot. I mean, you know, they had
him down like six or seven against Hillery and a
lot of the swing states, and he won the white
hat and then you know you're looking now they've got
it up by a point in a lot of these
swing states. So, you know, I feel confident. I think
the numbers are great, but obviously you have to execute.
(19:40):
You know, we've got two weeks thirteen days here. We
can't you know, we can't just sit back and think that, oh,
you know, we're in a good spot, because, like I said,
the Democrats had twice as many people as they did before.
So to answer your question specifically, I think they're extremely organized.
They're lacking organic energy. They're not connected. Harris is not
(20:02):
connecting with the people that they were able to put
a coalition together to win in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And they're outspending the Trump team, you know, significantly. I
think I saw somewhere in September it was like three
to one or something.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
No the numbers, I mean, you know, even just looking
at the TV ads, I mean, I think we're holding
our own in terms of you know, all the groups
on the right, but look at the return I mean,
this is this is what scares the Democrats more. Okay,
you mind if I go to.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That, Lisa, Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So the returns right now, Okay, Democrats have six hundred
and forty nine thousand returned registered Democrat ballots. Okay, we
don't live they're voting for, but use the party reads
to kind of get a signal. Republicans have three hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You might be sitting there saying, well, wait, clip, you
seem pretty optimistic.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know what do you even?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I said, well, let's talk about the percentages. Okay, this
is the current returns by party. When I'm just comparing
Democrats to Republican I'm not looking independent, were minor parties
libertarian or green. Dems have six hundred and forty nine thousand,
the Gops three hundred thousand, So we have roughly thirty
two percent to their sixty eight percent. Okay, four years ago,
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at this exact time, the Dems had eighty percent to
our nineteen percent. So we've gone from nineteen percent of
all mail in ballots at this time four years ago
to thirty one percent. And if the percentages are confusing,
think about it like this. Okay, Trump lost PA by
eighty thousand votes, and one number I always point to
(21:37):
because this baffles me. It blows my mind. One hundred
and forty one thousand registered Republicans in Pennsylvania went through
the process of requesting a mail in ballot and they
never sent it back, and he lost by eighty thousand votes.
They had a ballot sitting there. Nobody talked to them, right,
nobody went and chased their ballot and said, hey, need
(21:59):
you to send that in. But if you look at
the row numbers, Lisa, in twenty twenty, the Dems are
down roughly one hundred thousand from where they were at
this point. This is returns, not requests. Republicans are up
one hundred and seventeen thousand for where we were, and
so that in itself is a two hundred let's just
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call it two hundred thousand in the right direction for
us in a state where we lost by eighty thousand votes.
So once again, the Democrat reaction, or their excuse or
their response is, well, don't worry, our people are going
to show up on election debt. Good luck. I mean,
we're going to fight them too. And now but now
they have all these extra people that don't have the
(22:41):
easy joy and the simplicity of sending a mail in back.
They've got to show up on Tuesday in the ever fifth,
I'd much rather be us than that.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
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is really telling to me about where Donald Trump stands
in penns Sylvandia is that Democrat and Senator Bob Casey
and his closing argument to voters and is closing paid
messaging to voters, and an ad is trying to tie
himself to Donald Trump, trying to tout Donald Trump. And
you don't tire, you don't pay to tie yourself to
(24:16):
someone who's unpopular or if you think is losing your state.
I mean, he's clearly hoping that there's split ticket voters
the vote for Trump and him as well. And if
you want to just talk about bipartisanship, you could just
talk about voting with But you don't tie yourself to
Donald Trump unless you think that's politically advantageous. So I
think to me, you know, that sort of tells us
(24:38):
at least what direction he thinks the state is heading in.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think if you're Donald Trump,
it's a great time. Yeah. One of the the top
of ticket right below you down ballot, you know, is
praising you. I think what it probably means is that
Casey has looked at the numbers and they realize they
have to pull off. You know, a couple of these
folks that are you know, let's say Trump McCormick, but
(25:03):
they could be Trump Casey, And I think that that's
you know, the message you're looking at. But yeah, it
tells you just how popular Trump is. And I think,
you know, Casey is trying to distance himself from the
far left, you know, and I think Harris in Pennsylvania
has done a pretty poor job of trying to moderate
or pretend that she's moderating right, and I think Casey
(25:25):
realizes that. So he's trying to, you know, figure out
a way to the distance himself. But I got to
tell you, I got to give Dave McCormick a lot
of credit. He's probably run the best campaign stay wide,
I've seen in all my time at politics. I m PA,
you know, just fully funded on message, running on a
strong conservative platform. He's not holding back. And look, I'll
(25:48):
give credit to Dave, But if you would have told
me a year ago, before any candidate was selected in
the primary, right, if you would have told me a
year ago, Bob Casey was piple. Look, I spent a
lot of years in Pennsylvania, and the Casey name is
just one of those you know, it's kind of goal.
But I think his time is up. I think if
the trends continue the way they do, I think Casey
(26:08):
loses by half a point to a point. Meetcormick wins,
and I think Trump wins by somewhere between two to
four points. I'm hoping it's six to ten and we've
got a lamp big yeah. Because you know, listen, our
whole program is not just you know, Trump and McCormick
love us. Why because they're on every door, They're on
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every ballot. We knock on five hundred thousand doors, all
of them help them. So what we're doing is we're
focused on a couple down ballot battles, some congressional people
like Scott Perry who's in a fight for his political life,
and then honestly our other when you look at the
ten airbnbs, they're really based on state house targets. So
I know this isn't you know, as sexy for those
(26:51):
that just care about the White House. But we're able
to kind of have a double and triple dip because
if we can take back the State House. We're down
by one seat right now. Then we'll have the State
House and the State Senate to hold Shapiro, you know,
as a check in balance, we get Scott Perry back there,
former Freedom called his chair, the elect McCormick, the Elect Trump,
you know, all the other state wides. I mean, I
(27:12):
think there's potential here for a landslide night, But I
don't want to get ahead of myself. Yeah, but I
do think the work that these one hundred and twenty
full time chasers are doing, it's something we've never done before.
And by the way, Lisa, any any of your listeners
who want to come out to PA. We got housing,
we got gas cards, we got food. PA chase dot
(27:34):
Com slash sprint. That is our final sprint if anybody
wants to apply it. If you can't come out, this
is my big pitch. My art asked if you cannot
come out, one hundred and seventy five dollars sponsors a
full day of ballot chasing. All that money goes to
the chasers, pay their housing, their gas cards. That's PA
(27:54):
Chase dot Com. You gotta win PA to win the
White House. And I think if we fix this this
male in ballot problem of Democrats dominating. We win, and
if we win, I think the path of the White
House is almost guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Well and it also helps you know, I think, you know,
obviously Republicans are gonna win the Senate with we just
had she on the show in Montana, but to get
McCormick in there would just give Trump we're buffer and
trying to get things done in Congress. We had McCormick
on the show not too long ago. I was really
impressed with him. I think Republicans have done a really
(28:30):
good job this cycle of just fielding some really stellar candidates,
whether it's She or McCormick or Marino and you know, Ohio,
it's there's this been really impressed with the folks that
have come on the show, which I think gives them
a better chance of taking out some of these long
time incumbents, like you know, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, because
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you can't do that unless you just have a really
impressive candidate. And Dave McCormick certainly is you know, before
we go, you know, Trump's been talking about we've got
to make these says too big to rig, you know,
how concerned about you are. How concerned are you about
that in some of these places like Philly in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, So I tell people, you know, I had a
tweet I put out yesterday where one of our door
knockers and Uri was up and he found this house
that had fifty three registered voters ended up being a
monastery for nuns. And he goes into the house and says, hey,
you know, we're here because there's one Republican ballot that
was not returned. The woman at the front desk said, oh,
(29:32):
nobody lives here.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
This is Tomnest. Now we don't.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
We don't. We don't have people to live here. If
anybody's here, they just do one night. We don't do
long term. And so I tell people, being on the ground,
were able to see so much. So like our attorneys
are reporting that just to confirm. You know, if somebody's
using that as an address and they're you know, want
a mission somewhere, okay, that's fine. But if fifty three
people are using that address and nobody really as residents there,
(29:57):
that's a problem. And so I think the one thing
I'm excited about is to start off, is when you
have boots on the ground and you have people out
there working instead of just waiting for election day. You
can get ahead on some of the problems. You can
be proactive instead of reacting. And so Elon's got his
system in the group where you can report things. We
(30:17):
throw other things to the rn C when we can
work with them quietly. And I'll give the rn C
tons of credit. Okay, under Watley and under Trump, I
have been extremely impressed with their commitment to the grassroots,
their openness to share targets and data when it's legal,
where they've kind of come together not just with US
as Citizens Alliance, Turning Point Action, America First Work, Early
(30:39):
Vote Action, so many of these grassroots group that have
come together, and I think you're finally seeing that the
rn C. To answer your question, I am very confident
in their ability to cycle, to provide the attorneys to
be proactive, to be prepared, get things done ahead of time.
But here's my answer on Pennsylvania. People aren't going to
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like this. Okay. We just had a primary race where
we took out an incumbent who was a pretty corrupt Republican.
We replaced him with an America First Patriot twenty thousand votes.
Task This is for state House in Pennsylvania this past spring.
We won by eight votes out of twenty thousand votes cast.
It was a battle. They didn't certify that election until
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six weeks ago. We waited four months in the courts.
So here's my warning. Yeah, okay, And I know why
the left is starting to warn because they know it's
going to happen. If we don't win by more than
the amount of provisional ballots that are left. The left
is going to fight tooth and nail. And this is
(31:43):
what happens when it comes to judges. I don't care
if the Republican or Democrat. No judge wants to say
that he disenfranchised voters. That's the line I'd learned it.
I just went through. It took us four months. We
finally got the election certified, but they led about three
hundred additional ballots count in Pennsylvania. You have to sign
the mail in ballot, you have to date it, and
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you have to have a secrecy sleep. Those are the big,
big requirements. If you don't have one of those three things,
they move it into a provisional pile. Now, we all
remember what happened in Philly in the middle of the
night four years ago is because the Board of Elections said, well,
we're going to rule that we're going to count those
provisionals because we don't want to disenfranchise vote, and no
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judge had the courage to overturn that. That's where you
see these tens of thousands to hundreds one thousands of
things come in. So there's two things we're doing to
fight that. One, we've got the attorneys on standby. Two,
we're cutting into the Democrat lead on mail in ballots.
That way, if there's any ruling on mail in ballots
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that adds more of them or says hey, these are
going to count instead of it being eighty twenty which
has been the Republican average. Eighty for the Democrats, twenty
percent for Republicans. When you look at all the mail
in ballots in PA, that's been the average. So any
time a new batch is counted, we're getting crushed by
sixty points. If we get that up to thirty three
(33:10):
percent for the Republicans versus their sixty seven percent, we
think that is the line in the sand where Pennsylvania
becomes a red state. And so my entire objective with
this PA Chase program Yes, I want in the want
to win the White House. Yes I want to take
back the Senate. We've got other projects in the state.
But I'm encouraging that. You know, if we don't get
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there this cycle, Republicans need to get that mindset when
you get to thirty three percent, no longer is it
about adjusting the rules. And you know eventually you'll have
some parody. The culture will change. But I think we
can't be in a position where every batch of mail
and balance that comes in we get crushed because they
will find a way to get them to count. So
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my final statement here, too big to rig. We've got
to have more. We have to win by a larger
margin than the amount of provisional ballots that are left.
Because if you do that, there's nothing to fight for.
It's over. And I think we need that on November fifth,
So everybody make a plan to vote. If you can
go to your county right now, do it. You can
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do an on demand now in ballot on the spot,
build it out. I don't have to use the post office,
goes right into the machine, and I encourage everyone to
do it asap. This election will decide the future of
the republic.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Too big to rig. Cliff.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I really appreciate your time. Thanks for what you're doing.
Cliff Maloney, Thank you for what you're doing. Keep us updated.
Got to win Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Thanks Lise. I appreciate you, guys. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Time give the website one more time before we go.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Sure, pa Chase dot com and I'm on x at
Maloney it's Pachase dot com.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Thank you, Cliff, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Thanks all.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
So it was Cliff Maloney with the Pennsylvania Chase. Appreciate
him for taking the time to join the show. Appreciate
you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
but of course you can listen throughout the week. I
want to thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting the
show together.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Until next time.
Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Pennsylvania is probably the most important battleground state with nineteen
Electoral College votes. It's a state where Joe Biden barely
won in twenty twenty with just a little over one
percentage points. It's also a state where Republicans have been
gaining ground. When you look at voter registration compared to
twenty twenty, Democrats have seen a net loss of two
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hundred and fifty seven two hundred and eighty one. Republicans
have seen a net gain of four hundred and twenty
eight thousand, five hundred and thirty seven. So how does
that translate into twenty twenty four? What does that mean
for Republicans in the state. You look at the real
clear politics average, Donald Trump is up. But beyond that,
you look at some of the things that are happening
(00:48):
in the state. You've got the vulnerable Democrat Senator there
Bob Casey, in the final couple of weeks of his election,
in his closing argument with paid advertising, trying to tie
himself to Donald Trump, touting is support of Donald Trump.
Listen to this, and he sided with Trump to end
NAFTACK and put tariffs on China to stop them from cheating.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So in this House we agree it's Bob Casey who's
doing right by Pennsylvania. I'm Bob Casey, and I definitely
approved this message. I've got to tell you someone you know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Look, I was a communications director on his Senate race
on Wisconsin. I was the vice president of polling firm.
I've worked on a lot of campaigns throughout my time.
You don't tie yourself to someone who's politically unpopular in
her state. You don't tie yourself to someone who you
think is losing. What Bob Casey is hoping is split
ticket voters. He hopes that they vote for Donald Trump
on the top of the ticket and then they go
for him. This is a good sign for Republicans. But
(01:41):
today what we're going to do is we're going to
talk to someone who's very.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Much on the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
His entire business is grassroots campaigning. He's helped major wins
for people like Senator Rampaul Congressman Tom Massey, and he
is part of something called the Pennsylvania Chase.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's an effort run by Citizens.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Alliance, and its objective is to knock on five hundred
thousand doors to chase Republicans in the state of Pennsylvania
to try to win. And what's interesting is if you
go back to twenty twenty, Trump lost by around eighty
thousand votes in Pennsylvania. Well, guess what, there were one
hundred and forty one thousand Republicans voters who left their
(02:17):
ballot on the dining room tables who didn't bother to
turn it in.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's what Cliff Maloney is trying to do in the
state of Pennsylvania is to make sure no ballots are left,
no doors are left unknocked, that we are getting our
people out, and that we are winning the state. So
we're going to dig into the state of Pennsylvania with him.
What is he saying, what does he know and what
do you need to know? So stay tuned for that
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you're doing important work and probably maybe the most important
battleground state.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
If not, you know, definitely, you know, like top two, top.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Three, I guess first of all, you know, start off
telling us a little bit about the Pennsylvania Chase.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You know what is it? You know, why did you
start a.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, absolutely appreciate you having me. So the Phchase was
started about a year ago. It's a program of our organization,
which is called Citizens Alliance, and I served as the CEO.
And pretty much this all came to be because when
they changed all these rules in Pennsylvania, they allowed for
fifty days of mail in Ballance. You know, when I
(04:28):
grew up in Delaware County outside of Philadelphia, everybody voted
all one day election day, right, So in twenty twenty
during COVID, they kind of changed these rules. And the
Republican response in twenty twenty, which was my response, was well,
we want to vote the most sure way. And so
two million people voted for Joe Biden by mail, six
(04:49):
hundred thousand showed up for Trump. So we were down
by one point four million votes going into election day.
Trump won Election Day by one point three million votes,
but obviously wasn't enough to pull it off. And then
twenty twenty one, we all said, well, let's see if
the courts will change the rules. Back in twenty twenty two,
we said, let's see if the legislature will change the
(05:09):
rules back and LISTA. They did, right, and so then
in twenty twenty three we got such a shell lacking
that enough for Republicans and this just wasn't you know,
I remain yet right, but enough for Publicans. We're like, listen,
we need to figure out how to do what the
Democrats do. My whole career, at least has been doing
paid round games, putting together these infrastructures for Republican conservative campaigns,
(05:34):
and so we were kind of tapped to be the
group in Pennsylvania. That's why we launched the phase. And
I got to tell you it is wild and exciting
being on the ground in my home state knowing that
if we fix this mail in ballot problem for Republicans,
we not only win PA, we likely win the White House.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well and what people you know, So when I was
on campaigns, I know worked as like a com udications
director and always on the commside. So you know, obviously
we're trying to get the message out, but I mean
it's up to you guys to get the votes out.
And if you don't chase those ballots, which is what
you guys are doing. If you don't get people to
actually turn in those mail ballots, actually get out to
the polls and vote, you know, none of it matters, right,
(06:17):
because you don't win the election, and so your objective
is to knock on five hundred thousand doors. I think
what's interesting about Pennsylvania right now, and I'd love to
kind of hear a little bit more about this from you,
is you know, there was a Fox article recently, a
lot written about Democrats losing their edge in voter registration,
and since twenty twenty, Democrats have seen a net loss
(06:40):
of two hundred and fifty seven thousand, two hundred and
eighty one. Republicans have seen a net gain of four
hundred and twenty eight thousand, five hundred and thirty seven
and even in Philadelphia something like eighteen thousand, nine hundred
and twenty nine democrats changing their party affiliation. So that's
pretty significant. You know, what do you attribute that to?
And you know, how do you see that impacting this
(07:02):
presidential is.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, this is what I'd say, I'd much rather be
us than them, and especially the way the trends are going,
I mean they are hemorrhaging, right and we are gaining
and that's been you know, not just from since twenty twenty,
but since twenty sixteen. I mean their advantage now is
under a net of three hundred thousand. If you would
have told me that four years ago, I would thought
you're crazy, you know, And I just I think that
(07:25):
there's a lot to thank for that. But I think
the variable is Donald Trump, right, and the second variable
is Harris.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
If people have now.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Seen when Harris administration is, what life is like, what
the economies like, what the borders like, and they prepared
it to Trump. I think that's why you're seeing all
these trends in terms of the numbers. And look, Democrats
are hammicking because everybody looks at poles. But then you
have the mail in ballot. Well, then you have registration
(07:54):
of course, then you have the mail in ballot requests
because remember in Pennsylvania you have to request. It's not
a state they automatically send everybody a ballot and so
each year a reset, so you have to request it
whoever requests it. You have all that data, and then
the most important data is when the party, each of
the registered members of the party return their ballot. All
(08:15):
that is public information. Now you don't know who they'vevted
it for, right, this is a secret ballot, but you
know when it comes back. And so our objective to
knock those five hundred thousand doors. The way we do
it is we have one hundred and twenty full time staff.
They've been on the ground since September first. We've not
just over three hundred thousand. So we are past a
(08:37):
halfway point and coming down to the final stretch these
last two weeks. But I am telling you it is
the greatest in terms of you're talking to people that
are on your team that have a ballot sitting on
their dining room tape. Okay, these are primary voters where
I've got to convince them that hey, this guy's a
(08:58):
strong constitutional conserve and this guy's a fake Republican needs
a rhino. Those are tough conversations, right, if you're in
a general election and you've got to talk to swing voters, Okay,
those are tough conversations. These doors are fun. It's like, hey,
we're here for the Republican ticket. You've got to ballot.
I know you're a Republican. Can we get you to
(09:20):
commit to voting today? And the Democrat tactic that we
stole from them. I'll be blunt about it, is you
go back every seven days. So if Bob tells me
he's going to submit his ballot, why check the data.
Seven days later, we run the report, and if Bob
hasn't voted yet, we're back at his door with the
(09:40):
same familiar faith. And so some of these people, I'm
not going to call him out by name, but some
of the Republicans were targeting. We've been to their door
three times. We might be there next week for a
fourth time. But Democrats call this a reminder campaign, and
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You know, ed, what are you great hearing because you know,
obviously you're you know, you learn a lot more when
you're on the ground versus you know us kind of
like trying to look from the outside of what's going on, Like,
what are you guys hearing from these voters when you
were going to door to door? Like, what's your gut
instinct telling you right now? What are the issues that
the voters you're interacting with are most fired up about?
(11:20):
You know, kind of give us a little insight into
to what you guys have been learning and your efforts
to go door to door.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, and I look at our daily tracker, you know,
I can see the numbers, I can see the feedback
on our surveys. I'm out chasing ballots myself as much
as I can be. There's a couple of things I've
notice that are different. Let me let me start the
things that aren't okay. The number one issue by far
order security and the idea of putting food on the data. Right,
The economy and the border. I mean, how you know,
maybe one versus two, two versus one depending on certain areas,
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but those are the issues.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Are you better off four years ago than you are today?
Based on the economy, based on the border impacting your community?
I mean, these are the things that are ramped up
for Republicans to be frank. I mean Donald Trump is
brushing Kamala on both of those things. Right when it
comes to who has better solutions? Who do people trust more?
I mean every pole. Even in some of these polls
(12:12):
Democrats trump trust Trump, but are on the economy, it's
kind of wild. So on the two most important issues,
the Democrats are A to blame and B don't offer
any solution. But let me talking about some of the
anecdotal stuff that has been wild my time in Philadelphia,
Monco Bucks and Chester and Delco. I have never seen
(12:36):
les to the type of response from black men. They
are excited about Trump. They are not a fan of
Kamala Harris. And I'm specifically talking about black men. I'm
not talking about black women. I'm not the response from
black men. This is not twenty sixteen. Something has changed
(12:56):
since twenty twenty. But I don't know if they just
were kind of bought into Joe Biden and there's been
this change. But I think it's the economy and them
going through four years of a Biden Harris administration. But
I'm not giving you like a oh, this happened one time, right,
The amount of black men in the Philly suburbs and
(13:17):
in the Pittsburgh suburbs that are excited about Donald Trump,
I think this will be an historic year for black
men when it comes to Republican support, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And what's interesting about it is, you know, obviously, you know,
those of us who have worked in you know, politics,
it's like you're obviously looking at the polling. You know,
you're looking at the numbers and when you're going to
chase these ballots, but we're also looking at how the
campaigns are behaving, and they're messaging and and sort of
you know, collective all of the information right and we've
(13:49):
seen them sort of make this desperate play for black
men to your point, and Obama trying to shame them
and like doing the whole like you ain't black if
you don't, you know, like but Biden did. And you know,
there's this real like shaming of black men right now,
which really goes to show you how concerned they are
about it. And there was this recent Politico article talking about,
(14:09):
you know, Democrat concerns in Pennsylvania. I'm sure you saw
it in the headline read Pennsylvania is such a mess
inside Team Harris's unusual levels of finger pointing, and they're
talking about concerns with black men as well. You know,
I mean, what's how much have you learned about sort
of their ground game in the Democrats game in Pennsylvania.
(14:31):
Do you think this Politico article talking about, you know,
kind of Democrats concerns about lack of ground game and
it's all kind of falling apart in Pennsylvania. Has that
sort of like been your experience or you know kind
of what are your general thoughts about their ground game
in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So I think Politico gets it half right. Yeah, you know,
they say that, hey, they're flailing and they're you know,
they're not organized, and then they're not seeing results. So
I would argue they're extremely organized. I think they have
twice as many people on the ground as they had
twenty twenty. I think they're spending twice as much money
as they did in twenty twenty, but they're not seeing
(15:09):
the results. Right. Let me give you some numbers, Okay,
so let's let's talk Democrats specifically, then I'll talk Republicans.
At this time, I'm talking as of this morning. Back
in twenty twenty, one point five billion Democrats had read
or should you had requested a ballot. Okay, today they're
(15:30):
just over a million. They're down five hundred thousand mail
in ballot requests. Now they can still request for the
next six days. Okay, just to be clear, But they've
never really spiked in the final week. They usually spike
in August the first half of September, and they missed that.
This is the first year that they were not able
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to kind of do that, even with staff on the ground.
So when you're down a half a million requests, the
Democrat response to that is, oh, well, it's not COVID
and more they're going to vote on election day. Well,
we as Republicans, have learned it's much easier to get
somebody who's low propensity, meaning unlikely to vote. It's much
(16:12):
easier to get them to vote if you send them
a ballot and they have two weeks with it sitting
on their table, and you can go chase it and
get them to send it back. So now they're relying
on turning all those people on an election debt. And
so I actually tell people the biggest variable here is
not Trump support. I mean, we're crushing it with the
mail in ballots when we're doing our chase. I'll talk
(16:33):
to you about those numbers here. Shortly, Republicans are going
to show up on election date. The biggest variable is
how to Democrats take their whole model of banking the
vote and running up the score and now find themselves
flat footed and having to adjust because not enough people
requested and now they have to turn them all out
(16:54):
on Tuesday, November fit. That to me is going to
be the story now. I still think Republicans, this is
our to loose. I think if we blow it out
of the park, there's no way they have the votes
to win. But if we're kind of mediocre on election day,
they'd have to pull off a miracle. So I'd much
rather be us. I think the numbers are in our favors.
And that's kind of the picture for the Democrats in
(17:15):
terms of requests where they were four years ago versus today.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, how much when we talk about sort of
Republicans changing their party affiliation, do you think that is
fully getting picked up? And the polling we're staying out
of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Now, and I think that anybody who tells you, and
this is not a shot at any of our friends
that do polling, but I just think anybody that tells
you that they've got a good sense of how to
predict some of these behaviors, there's just not enough data.
I mean, they change the rules in twenty twenty, so
we've had one presidential election, We've had two off here elections,
(17:53):
We've had one midterm. Those have been the four elections
to get us to today. None of those elections, except
for twenty one in twenty three, are really that comparable.
You know, twenty twenty we're in the height of COVID, right.
It was the first time you could actually request a
bail about it at vote by mail in Pennsylvania. So
I just think any pollster that's trying to figure it out,
(18:16):
it it just it's not that they're not trying, but
it's so hard because here's the thing you have to weigh.
Whenever somebody does a big poll, they're obviously looking at
weighing the pole, so it matches the demographics of who
is likely to vote. But what's tough is they're asking
people how they're going to vote, whether it's by mail,
(18:37):
in person, early in person, this new thing they have
at PA. And then obviously they're getting their likelihood of
voting based on the previous four eight elections how many
times they voted. The problem with that is when the
rules continuously change and the environment changes, a lot of
the ways that you would usually do predictive modeling don't
(18:58):
add up. And so I think the best way to
look at the polling is to understand that most of
the polls have always kind of been off by three
to four points, leaning left, meaning they you know, they
pushed Trump three or four on election day compared to
where he was, he did better than the polls. Well,
if you look at that comparison of twenty sixteen to
(19:18):
twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. Trump looks like he
did a great spot. I mean, you know, they had
him down like six or seven against Hillery and a
lot of the swing states, and he won the white
hat and then you know you're looking now they've got
it up by a point in a lot of these
swing states. So, you know, I feel confident. I think
the numbers are great, but obviously you have to execute.
(19:40):
You know, we've got two weeks thirteen days here. We
can't you know, we can't just sit back and think that, oh,
you know, we're in a good spot, because, like I said,
the Democrats had twice as many people as they did before.
So to answer your question specifically, I think they're extremely organized.
They're lacking organic energy. They're not connected. Harris is not
(20:02):
connecting with the people that they were able to put
a coalition together to win in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
And they're outspending the Trump team, you know, significantly. I
think I saw somewhere in September it was like three
to one or something.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
No the numbers, I mean, you know, even just looking
at the TV ads, I mean, I think we're holding
our own in terms of you know, all the groups
on the right, but look at the return I mean,
this is this is what scares the Democrats more. Okay,
you mind if I go to.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That, Lisa, Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So the returns right now, Okay, Democrats have six hundred
and forty nine thousand returned registered Democrat ballots. Okay, we
don't live they're voting for, but use the party reads
to kind of get a signal. Republicans have three hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You might be sitting there saying, well, wait, clip, you
seem pretty optimistic.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know what do you even?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I said, well, let's talk about the percentages. Okay, this
is the current returns by party. When I'm just comparing
Democrats to Republican I'm not looking independent, were minor parties
libertarian or green. Dems have six hundred and forty nine thousand,
the Gops three hundred thousand, So we have roughly thirty
two percent to their sixty eight percent. Okay, four years ago,
(21:14):
at this exact time, the Dems had eighty percent to
our nineteen percent. So we've gone from nineteen percent of
all mail in ballots at this time four years ago
to thirty one percent. And if the percentages are confusing,
think about it like this. Okay, Trump lost PA by
eighty thousand votes, and one number I always point to
(21:37):
because this baffles me. It blows my mind. One hundred
and forty one thousand registered Republicans in Pennsylvania went through
the process of requesting a mail in ballot and they
never sent it back, and he lost by eighty thousand votes.
They had a ballot sitting there. Nobody talked to them, right,
nobody went and chased their ballot and said, hey, need
(21:59):
you to send that in. But if you look at
the row numbers, Lisa, in twenty twenty, the Dems are
down roughly one hundred thousand from where they were at
this point. This is returns, not requests. Republicans are up
one hundred and seventeen thousand for where we were, and
so that in itself is a two hundred let's just
(22:20):
call it two hundred thousand in the right direction for
us in a state where we lost by eighty thousand votes.
So once again, the Democrat reaction, or their excuse or
their response is, well, don't worry, our people are going
to show up on election debt. Good luck. I mean,
we're going to fight them too. And now but now
they have all these extra people that don't have the
(22:41):
easy joy and the simplicity of sending a mail in back.
They've got to show up on Tuesday in the ever fifth,
I'd much rather be us than that.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
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is really telling to me about where Donald Trump stands
in penns Sylvandia is that Democrat and Senator Bob Casey
and his closing argument to voters and is closing paid
messaging to voters, and an ad is trying to tie
himself to Donald Trump, trying to tout Donald Trump. And
you don't tire, you don't pay to tie yourself to
(24:16):
someone who's unpopular or if you think is losing your state.
I mean, he's clearly hoping that there's split ticket voters
the vote for Trump and him as well. And if
you want to just talk about bipartisanship, you could just
talk about voting with But you don't tie yourself to
Donald Trump unless you think that's politically advantageous. So I
think to me, you know, that sort of tells us
(24:38):
at least what direction he thinks the state is heading in.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think if you're Donald Trump,
it's a great time. Yeah. One of the the top
of ticket right below you down ballot, you know, is
praising you. I think what it probably means is that
Casey has looked at the numbers and they realize they
have to pull off. You know, a couple of these
folks that are you know, let's say Trump McCormick, but
(25:03):
they could be Trump Casey, And I think that that's
you know, the message you're looking at. But yeah, it
tells you just how popular Trump is. And I think,
you know, Casey is trying to distance himself from the
far left, you know, and I think Harris in Pennsylvania
has done a pretty poor job of trying to moderate
or pretend that she's moderating right, and I think Casey
(25:25):
realizes that. So he's trying to, you know, figure out
a way to the distance himself. But I got to
tell you, I got to give Dave McCormick a lot
of credit. He's probably run the best campaign stay wide,
I've seen in all my time at politics. I m PA,
you know, just fully funded on message, running on a
strong conservative platform. He's not holding back. And look, I'll
(25:48):
give credit to Dave, But if you would have told
me a year ago, before any candidate was selected in
the primary, right, if you would have told me a
year ago, Bob Casey was piple. Look, I spent a
lot of years in Pennsylvania, and the Casey name is
just one of those you know, it's kind of goal.
But I think his time is up. I think if
the trends continue the way they do, I think Casey
(26:08):
loses by half a point to a point. Meetcormick wins,
and I think Trump wins by somewhere between two to
four points. I'm hoping it's six to ten and we've
got a lamp big yeah. Because you know, listen, our
whole program is not just you know, Trump and McCormick
love us. Why because they're on every door, They're on
(26:29):
every ballot. We knock on five hundred thousand doors, all
of them help them. So what we're doing is we're
focused on a couple down ballot battles, some congressional people
like Scott Perry who's in a fight for his political life,
and then honestly our other when you look at the
ten airbnbs, they're really based on state house targets. So
I know this isn't you know, as sexy for those
(26:51):
that just care about the White House. But we're able
to kind of have a double and triple dip because
if we can take back the State House. We're down
by one seat right now. Then we'll have the State
House and the State Senate to hold Shapiro, you know,
as a check in balance, we get Scott Perry back there,
former Freedom called his chair, the elect McCormick, the Elect Trump,
you know, all the other state wides. I mean, I
(27:12):
think there's potential here for a landslide night, But I
don't want to get ahead of myself. Yeah, but I
do think the work that these one hundred and twenty
full time chasers are doing, it's something we've never done before.
And by the way, Lisa, any any of your listeners
who want to come out to PA. We got housing,
we got gas cards, we got food. PA chase dot
(27:34):
Com slash sprint. That is our final sprint if anybody
wants to apply it. If you can't come out, this
is my big pitch. My art asked if you cannot
come out, one hundred and seventy five dollars sponsors a
full day of ballot chasing. All that money goes to
the chasers, pay their housing, their gas cards. That's PA
(27:54):
Chase dot Com. You gotta win PA to win the
White House. And I think if we fix this this
male in ballot problem of Democrats dominating. We win, and
if we win, I think the path of the White
House is almost guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Well and it also helps you know, I think, you know,
obviously Republicans are gonna win the Senate with we just
had she on the show in Montana, but to get
McCormick in there would just give Trump we're buffer and
trying to get things done in Congress. We had McCormick
on the show not too long ago. I was really
impressed with him. I think Republicans have done a really
(28:30):
good job this cycle of just fielding some really stellar candidates,
whether it's She or McCormick or Marino and you know, Ohio,
it's there's this been really impressed with the folks that
have come on the show, which I think gives them
a better chance of taking out some of these long
time incumbents, like you know, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, because
(28:51):
you can't do that unless you just have a really
impressive candidate. And Dave McCormick certainly is you know, before
we go, you know, Trump's been talking about we've got
to make these says too big to rig, you know,
how concerned about you are. How concerned are you about
that in some of these places like Philly in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, So I tell people, you know, I had a
tweet I put out yesterday where one of our door
knockers and Uri was up and he found this house
that had fifty three registered voters ended up being a
monastery for nuns. And he goes into the house and says, hey,
you know, we're here because there's one Republican ballot that
was not returned. The woman at the front desk said, oh,
(29:32):
nobody lives here.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
This is Tomnest. Now we don't.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
We don't. We don't have people to live here. If
anybody's here, they just do one night. We don't do
long term. And so I tell people, being on the ground,
were able to see so much. So like our attorneys
are reporting that just to confirm. You know, if somebody's
using that as an address and they're you know, want
a mission somewhere, okay, that's fine. But if fifty three
people are using that address and nobody really as residents there,
(29:57):
that's a problem. And so I think the one thing
I'm excited about is to start off, is when you
have boots on the ground and you have people out
there working instead of just waiting for election day. You
can get ahead on some of the problems. You can
be proactive instead of reacting. And so Elon's got his
system in the group where you can report things. We
(30:17):
throw other things to the rn C when we can
work with them quietly. And I'll give the rn C
tons of credit. Okay, under Watley and under Trump, I
have been extremely impressed with their commitment to the grassroots,
their openness to share targets and data when it's legal,
where they've kind of come together not just with US
as Citizens Alliance, Turning Point Action, America First Work, Early
(30:39):
Vote Action, so many of these grassroots group that have
come together, and I think you're finally seeing that the
rn C. To answer your question, I am very confident
in their ability to cycle, to provide the attorneys to
be proactive, to be prepared, get things done ahead of time.
But here's my answer on Pennsylvania. People aren't going to
(31:00):
like this. Okay. We just had a primary race where
we took out an incumbent who was a pretty corrupt Republican.
We replaced him with an America First Patriot twenty thousand votes.
Task This is for state House in Pennsylvania this past spring.
We won by eight votes out of twenty thousand votes cast.
It was a battle. They didn't certify that election until
(31:22):
six weeks ago. We waited four months in the courts.
So here's my warning. Yeah, okay, And I know why
the left is starting to warn because they know it's
going to happen. If we don't win by more than
the amount of provisional ballots that are left. The left
is going to fight tooth and nail. And this is
(31:43):
what happens when it comes to judges. I don't care
if the Republican or Democrat. No judge wants to say
that he disenfranchised voters. That's the line I'd learned it.
I just went through. It took us four months. We
finally got the election certified, but they led about three
hundred additional ballots count in Pennsylvania. You have to sign
the mail in ballot, you have to date it, and
(32:05):
you have to have a secrecy sleep. Those are the big,
big requirements. If you don't have one of those three things,
they move it into a provisional pile. Now, we all
remember what happened in Philly in the middle of the
night four years ago is because the Board of Elections said, well,
we're going to rule that we're going to count those
provisionals because we don't want to disenfranchise vote, and no
(32:27):
judge had the courage to overturn that. That's where you
see these tens of thousands to hundreds one thousands of
things come in. So there's two things we're doing to
fight that. One, we've got the attorneys on standby. Two,
we're cutting into the Democrat lead on mail in ballots.
That way, if there's any ruling on mail in ballots
(32:47):
that adds more of them or says hey, these are
going to count instead of it being eighty twenty which
has been the Republican average. Eighty for the Democrats, twenty
percent for Republicans. When you look at all the mail
in ballots in PA, that's been the average. So any
time a new batch is counted, we're getting crushed by
sixty points. If we get that up to thirty three
(33:10):
percent for the Republicans versus their sixty seven percent, we
think that is the line in the sand where Pennsylvania
becomes a red state. And so my entire objective with
this PA Chase program Yes, I want in the want
to win the White House. Yes I want to take
back the Senate. We've got other projects in the state.
But I'm encouraging that. You know, if we don't get
(33:31):
there this cycle, Republicans need to get that mindset when
you get to thirty three percent, no longer is it
about adjusting the rules. And you know eventually you'll have
some parody. The culture will change. But I think we
can't be in a position where every batch of mail
and balance that comes in we get crushed because they
will find a way to get them to count. So
(33:51):
my final statement here, too big to rig. We've got
to have more. We have to win by a larger
margin than the amount of provisional ballots that are left.
Because if you do that, there's nothing to fight for.
It's over. And I think we need that on November fifth,
So everybody make a plan to vote. If you can
go to your county right now, do it. You can
(34:13):
do an on demand now in ballot on the spot,
build it out. I don't have to use the post office,
goes right into the machine, and I encourage everyone to
do it asap. This election will decide the future of
the republic.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Too big to rig. Cliff.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I really appreciate your time. Thanks for what you're doing.
Cliff Maloney, Thank you for what you're doing. Keep us updated.
Got to win Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Thanks Lise. I appreciate you, guys. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Time give the website one more time before we go.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Sure, pa Chase dot com and I'm on x at
Maloney it's Pachase dot com.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Thank you, Cliff, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Thanks all.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
So it was Cliff Maloney with the Pennsylvania Chase. Appreciate
him for taking the time to join the show. Appreciate
you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
but of course you can listen throughout the week. I
want to thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting the
show together.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Until next time.
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