In this episode of The Truth with Lisa Boothe, legendary basketball coach and outspoken conservative Bruce Pearl opens up about his journey from the court to the national stage. Pearl discusses the alarming rise of anti-Semitism on college campuses, the decline of free speech in higher education, and why he believes America must continue to stand firmly with Israel. He also shares his admiration for President Trump’s leadership in the Middle East and explains why more political outsiders are needed to restore common sense in Washington. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you.
I'm excited about today's guests because we have the legendary
coach Bruce Pearl, a longtime Auburn basketball coach, but he
also coached at the University of Tennessee while I was
going to school there. One of the best men's basketball coaches,
probably in history. But he's a great, all time legend.
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He's now transitioning over to broadcasting. He's going to be
working for T ANDT Sports as well as CBS Sports,
so we'll talk about that transition.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Of course, I'm going to talk to him about his
time coaching.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is he going to miss it? Does he have a
favorite school? I'll get all of that and more. We're
also going to discuss why he has chosen to be
outspoken on some political issues as well, particularly the rise
of anti Semitism that we've seen on college campuses. He
has been outspoken in support of President Trump. He has
said President Trump deserves a nobel peace price, so we'll
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talk to him about that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
How does he think President Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We'll talk about the latest ceasefire in the Middle East,
as well, and then lastly, I'm going to ask him
about how colleges and universities have changed throughout his time
in coaching. The Manhattan Institute's City Journal is out with
new college rankings taking an account some different considerations than
we see from the usual college rankings, taking account things
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like DEI or free speech, so we'll talk to him
about that as well. A lot to discuss with the
legendary coach Bruce Pearl. Stay tuned, well, Bruce Pearl, you're
the legendary coach Bruce Pearl. You were actually coaching men's
basketball when a while I was attending the University of Tennessee.
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But you are an absolute legend. So it is great
to have you on the show, Sir. I really appreciate
you making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Lisa Stop. I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I've watched you from the times you got on Fox
and as guests and now with your own shows, and
so I'm very proud of the of the former University
of Tennessee student that's bringing the truth to the world
about so many things that are important.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, We've got a lot of mutiful respect then for
this episode, so I appreciate that, so it's very kind.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But like you, you are a legend, right Like, even
when you're at the Tennessee, you brought you brought the
Bulls to multiple NCAA tournament appearances. We reached the Elite
eight at Auburn. You're the school's all time winning as coach.
You led Auburn to the Final four twice. Right, So
like you've got a lot of wins under your belt, awards,
like all of it, right, a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Of tournament appearances. Do you miss coaching?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well, I don't know yet. I've only been out of
it for three weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know, well, you know, sir, three weeks. Are you
going to miss coaching? I guess this is the better question.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
No, Lisa, I miss practice, and I do miss teaching,
and I miss the kids, and I miss my coaches.
There's no question. But you know, I'll be sixty six
in March. I still got plenty in the tank. I'm
not retired. But I got to a point where I
wasn't waking up every single morning thinking about beating Kentucky
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or Florida, Alabama or Tennessee, and I started thinking about
things like my country and my advocacy for the state
of Israel, education, faith, family, things that you guys.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Focus on all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And so I really made a thought and thought for
about a couple of months in the months of May and
June about running for the United States Senate and trying
to run for Tommy Tumberville's seat after he got done
and became our next governor. And I really thought about
doing it the more I got to know about the job.
I didn't think i'd love the work I was wanting
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to serve. But I think the pace and I think
the way it runs would bother me. I'm big about
bringing people together. I'm big about working together getting things done.
I'm an American more than I'm anything else. And right
now the parties are so incredibly divided that I just
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don't know that I couldn't do more for my country
on the outside than in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Do you Before we get to that is really important,
I want to talk about that. Has Auburn been your favorite?
Do you have a favorite? Or is that asking like
a parent to pick their favorite kid?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We have our favorite?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
What coaching experience?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Is there a specific university or college campus that has
been I know Auburn's been your most recent but has
there Do you have a favorite or.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, so this was the favorite stuff, Like like
like when we were at Tennessee, you know at the time,
you could be Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I mean, I was huge.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And so my first year we go to Arena and
Chris Lofton goes off for like thirty five and we
beat Kentucky UH for the first time in a long time.
And then we got a chance to play Kevin Durant
and Texas. You're probably a senior then, and that was
a huge, huge win. I don't even know if Texas
was where they were ranked, but beating Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
We had a couple of.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Wins at home over number one ranked teams. We had
one UH against Kansas UH, and then we had one
at Memphis. Do you remember when we went to Memphis
in the one two matchup? It was on ESPN. It
was the highest rated show on college basketball, and so
for the highest rated show to be Tennessee Memphis, not
North Carolina and Duke or.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Not Kansas or Kentucky, it was just huge.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So those are the best times there, and of course
just the runs to the final four, the road to
the final four at Auburn twice.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know, those were those were the greatest moments for me.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I mean, it's got to be you know. I mean,
that's that's as far as you can go. So you know,
that's that's got to be special. You know.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I know you mentioned you were entertaining running for Senate
in Alabama. You're going to be shifting gears over to broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How are you feeling about that?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I imagine it's going to be exciting. It's something new. You're
still going to talk about what you love basketball.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
How are you feeling about it?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm excited about it. I am so fired up.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Turner has put together you know, they had the greatest
basketball show on Earth with Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith
and Shaq and Ernie Johnson as the host when they
were covering the NBA, and they've done that as well
as anybody for a long long time. Well, ESPN now
pretty much has the NBA, and so what I thought
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they both did brilliantly was say, look, we got to
keep that team together. And I think Turner's going to
produce it, ESPN's going to air it, and so you're
going to still see that show all the time, which
is great, but that opened a window for Turner and
TNT Sports to begin to look at let's get into
college basketball. So they made a big investment and jumped
into the Big East in the Big Twelve, and they
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got games. But what they've done is create a pretty
much a Saturday show with Adam Levko as host, and
he's saw the next Ernie Johnson. Adam's incredible. And they're
bringing in Jamal Mashburn, Jalen Rose, and coach Bruce Pearl
to be on air pretty much every Saturday and just
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bring you college basketball. I'm excited about teaching the game,
analyzing the game, breaking down the game. Least of the
quality of the game right now, college basketball has like
never been better, and so yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
I'll be in studio a lot, and I'll be calling
some games for CBS as well.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think you're gonna let You're gonna have so much
fun with it. I mean, one, obviously, you know this
stuff better than anyone, and then too, you know you're
great at it, so it'll just be I'm sure it'll
just be fun for.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You, guys.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
For you really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know you had mentioned where you felt, you know,
obviously everything about running percentate, where you felt like you
just had to speak out about all these issues that
we're saying in the country.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Obviously we saw the horrific terror attacks in Israel as well.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Why did you know it's tough to speak out, particularly
when you know, I would say a lot in the
media we're sort of on the side of Gaza somehow, right,
and the plight of the Palestinians and sort of ignoring
what uh, what happened to Israelis on you know, October
seventh and what they went through.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So it's it's not exactly easy to speak out in
this environment.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Why'd you decide to start speaking out and to sort
of interject yourself into some of these broader conversations.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Lisa, for the same reason that you do in a
sense that this may be a job for you, but
you're on the side of good versus evil. You are
on on on most issues. You mentioned the plight of
the Palestinians. The plight of the Palestinians is self inflicted
and it has been since they created the term a
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Palestinian and Palestinian authori or whatever. Completely and one percent
self inflicted and we obviously, I guess it's not ob
saw that again on October seventh. Israel has tried and
unfortunately failed to live in peace with its with its
Arab neighbors, and some and many of those Arab Abras
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are now jumping on board the Abraham Accords. The Gulf
Arab states there are two million Israeli Arabs that decided
back in nineteen forty eight they weren't going to leave,
and they weren't going to fight, and they're going to
just continue to live right where they were, where they were,
and now there are two million.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Of them living their best lives in Israel.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
The lie and the propaganda and this whole thing about
it right to return was some Palestinians left their homes
in nineteen forty eight because the Arab country said, listen,
you all need to get out of there right now.
You give us about a week or ten days. We're
going to kill every Jew that's left in Israel. You
can go back to your house, you can go back
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to their house. It's going to be ours. And they left,
and they fought and they lost, and for eighty years
Israel has been trying to find a way to maybe
offer land for peace, like, Okay, let's give them Gaza,
and let's let's see if maybe giving them their own
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state in our era, their own autonomy, is going to
be something that maybe we could get peace. And the
answer was we got a terrorist state, and we got rockets,
and we got death, and we had to have Iron
Dome and then the atrocities of October seventh, twenty twenty three,
the biggest Holocaust since since the Nazi Germany. We're getting
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the banana pel is getting pulled back, and whether the
world like what they saw or not, because they were
many were against Israel and for Hamas and the plight
of the Palestinians. They recognized that this wasn't just the
Palestinian leadership. This were Palestinians, and these were Gosins. And
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you know, there were there were six million Jews killed
in the Holocaust, nine million people over all, Lisa, And
there were hundreds and hundreds of stories of the righteous
of people in Germany or Poland or France that were
somehow trying to save, hide, protect their Jewish neighbors. You
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haven't heard one story come out of Gaza where any
any hostage has left saying yeah, well, you know, they
treated me well, they gave me plenty of food. I
was this, I was that not. So that's why, Lisa,
in the sense that they're not teaching this in college,
they're not teaching this enough in the churches and the synagogues.
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It's it's just all the obviously the truth. And as
a coach and a teacher and an American Jew, I
sort of feel a responsibility to tie and try and
teach the truth, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And just to be clear, I was saying that that's
been sort of like the broad or narrative from the media.
In my own personal view is that I don't believe
there's enough daylight between you know, the every day Gazin's
and has if you look at polling that's been conducted
over the years, or the fact that Gaza, you know,
Hamas was elected into governance and gaz I believe it
was in two thousand and.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Six, if my memory serves me correct. But just so
just to be clear and where I stand on this.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But you had mentioned that college campuses, you know, it's
not this history is not being taught or you know,
some sort of distorted viewpoint is being taught. Have you
did you notice anti semitism on college campuses throughout the
years or obviously we've seen with these encampments. After the
terror attacks, you know, it got really bad on college
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campuses and at these universities. But did you notice it
before or kind of like when did you notice the
uptick on an anti semitism on college campuses?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, it's amazing, Lisa.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
We may not have really noticed it that much until
the day after October seventh, when the day after twelve
hundred were murdered, two hundred and fifty kidnapped, Fifty Americans
died on that day and over a dozen were taken hostage,
some of them whom were executed in captivity. Did we
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see kids on college campuses cheering for Hamas and listen,
I get it. Who wouldn't want Palestine to be free
when you pose it that way, I would want America
to be free. I'd want the Soviet Union to be free,
Ukraine to be free, Palestine be free.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I get it. But what Palestine means is to free
Palestine of the Jews from the river to the sea.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Freedom of the Jews by either death or destruction or
scaring us to somehow leave, and so I didn't really
see it until all of a sudden we saw these
college campuses, particularly the campuses.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
On the hosts. Now, I'll tell you, Lisa, you didn't
see it. In the South. You did not see it.
You didn't see much of it Tennessee. You didn't see
any of it at Auburn.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And when there was the beginnings of some of that,
the Evangelic Christian community or the leadership of these schools
were not going to.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Allow their student bodies to be subjected to it.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I've got to take a quick commercial break. More as
coach Bruce Pearl on the other side, you know, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
An interesting point because you look at the City Journal,
which was founded by the Manhattan Institute. They put out
their own college rankings taking into two different things like
DEI and free speech and things that aren't always to
take you are not at all taken into account with
some of these other college rankings. Do talk about the
importance of that, And do you think that parents are
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going to be sort of using a different baseline now
when they look at where their kids are going to
go to school, to go to college or to university.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You know, like that's a that's a great question. I
saw that report as well. You know, higher education, it's
at a turning point right now. Not to coin a phrase,
but I think schools have lost the public's trust, and
I think too many colleges have gotten caught up in
politics and activism instead of doing what they're supposed to do,
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like just teaching and challenging, you know, students to think
for themselves and prepare them for life after graduation.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So I agree with you, Lisa.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Families and parents and their kids are looking for better options.
They want places where students can get a great education,
grow as people, be safe, enjoy their college experience. And
that's why I think you're seeing more and more students
start to choose schools like Auburn, you know, from.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
The South, Lisa.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
We add sixty five thousand applications at Auburn for five
thousand spots.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
There is a rigulous curriculum.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
There is a faculty that is a mixture of of
our country and not just in one direction. In fact,
I was looking at the report and the Southeastern Conference,
which I was where I spent the last couple of
decades in my career, has got five schools in the
top fifteen in the City Journal ranking. Florida was number one,
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Texas was two. I think A and M was four,
Georgia was ranked in the top ten, and then I
think Auburn was fifteenth. And I just think it speaks
to the emphasis on excellence and some sort of sanity
that are actually taking place in the state institutions of
the South.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well so selfishly, it makes all of us SEC graduates
look a lot better or better because it's the harder
the University of Tennessee gets to get into. Then that
makes you look better when I say went to school there,
I'm an alumni.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, well it's for you.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I should brag on go balls. And and look look
at the.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Migration that's leaving either New York City or leaving you know, California,
and they're coming to states like Texas and Tennessee, you know,
even truly, even Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
These are all SEC schools.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
You know, most college rankings they're all about money and
prestige and alumni and name recognition, and they really don't
tell you anything about the quality of education or what
kind of a student experience that that kids are gonna have.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I mean, that's the thing about Auburn.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Our kids are happy that they like it, they're they're
they're comfortable.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So I was I was kind of pleased to see that.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
And it just didn't surprise me to see like a
school like Harvard ranked thirty seventh, or maybe so many
the Ivy League schools that were on the other side
of it, because I think I think the schools in
the South, they're focusing on a tougher curriculum, you know,
student life and outcomes, like outcomes like what's your first
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year salary going to be? Like what about ten years?
How much debt are you going to have? And I
think those are the things that this it looks like
to me. Anyways, And I've been to all these campuses.
I'll say this, Lisa. I always tell the kids at Auburn.
I said, look, I don't know you. I'm walking around,
I don't know you, but I know who you are
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trying to become because you chose to come to Auburn.
I know the Auburn man or the Auburn woman that
you're trying to become, loving your country, loving your God,
loving your neighbor at a place that's small enough for
you to be important, but big enough for you to
do anything in the world.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
And so I have Grinson.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I have great hopes for higher education, and I believe
in free speech, and I believe in the right to
peaceful protest. But what we saw in college campuses was
not peaceful protest. And they were organized by many people
that came from not this country, and they were weaponized,
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and they were leached. They were leaching themselves to our students,
and you know, you had kids that were cheering and
there were rebels without a cause.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
My only bone to pick with the City Journalist rankings
that they have a University of Florida at number one.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Florida is one of our nemesis at the University of Tennessee,
it is arch nemesis. So yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You've publicly supported President Trump and had previously said that
he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
How do you think he's doing so far in this
second term?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Well, Lisa, I appreciate one. I appreciate many things that
you've said in many of the questions you've asked. But
one of the things I appreciate what you just said
is you must have done your research and your homework.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Because I was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Supporting President Trump after he lost in twenty twenty, and
I was very, very concerned about the change in the
admitted administration.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I've always been kind of a Joe Biden fan.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know, he's a good old boy, uh and and
you know, just just good old Joe. And I don't
mean to downplay it, but I thought we always had
a pretty decent heart for Israel.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And he wasn't the brightest bulb in the circuit. Never was.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But but but I think people thought he was a
good public servant or whatever. All he did was twist
everything that Trump did. He went in day one and
changed everything. And so we look at what President Trump inherited,
as he would say, he inherited a dumpster fire. He
inherited a disaster. He had he had like a ridiculously
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high rted inflation. They were printing money and giving it away.
They couldn't ship it out the door faster in the
last six months of the administration, And and what for
political favor and and and they just they just poured
gasoline on inflation, and and.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And the debt.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
They funded their their allies and mees, They funded Iran,
they funded Hamas, they funded the Palestine Authority, and they
reverted back to some of President Obama's policies of trying
to rebalance the power in the Middle East by empowering Iran.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And what did they get.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
They funded as well in Levin, and they funded Hamas
and they created this. The Democratic leadership created this when
Ukraine was not at war with Russia and they were
talking about maybe getting into NATO leadership in this world,
you just said, listen, you used to be Russia. Okay,
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you're not coming into NATO. We're gonna work with you.
You're gonna work with Russia. You're gonna be best case scenario.
But the fact that the world even entertained letting NATO,
that again half of it used to be Russia, that
sort of brought this war on.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
We didn't need to have it. So the lack of
leadership the direction they turned the country in. Thank god
President Trump was elected.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I can't even imagine where our country would be right now,
whether it be with a debtor or how these wars
would that President Trump is trying to solve and create peace.
I mean, in my lifetime, and of course i've been
I'm sixty, I'm sixty five years old. I don't know
there ever was a president that could have brought the
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Arab world and the Israelis together to both make these
kind of compromise and get these hostages out. When they
took two hundred and fifty hostages, Lisa, if you put
a bet down, you could have never dreamed or imagined
we'd get so many of them home.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That are alive.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
A reminder, there are still thirteen that are not bodies
that are there, including Omer Nutra, a wonderful American young man.
He did it, Trump did it. Now where do we
go from here? Okay, Hamas must be defeated. This enemy
must be destroyed somehow, some shit, whether it's from within
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or whether it's something that the world needs to take
care of. Just follow the different phases, follow the different steps.
And President Trump has been incredible, and I just pray
for them all the time. And I know that the
Republican Party has by and large been very supportive of
almost everything that he's done. There are America only folks
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in our party, and I understand it, because you know what,
the economy isn't great, and we shouldn't be funding wars
and doing these different things. We've got to be taking
care of folks at home. But Israel has been a
great investment. It's been a great bang for the buck
in the sense that it's protecting Western civilization. What they
do for us in cybersecurity and AI and intelligence. I
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think Israel has been a great investment. And I think
when the Middle East becomes peaceful, it'll also become prosperous,
and that is going to be a great economic boom.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
The United States of America.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Got to take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social
media or maybe send it to your friends and family.
President Trump, I agree with you, he's sort of a
uniquely special as a politician. But like perhaps it's because
he's not a politician, you know, and he came up
from the outside. Why do you think he's been so
successful in getting you know, whether it be the Abraham
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records or getting the hostages back, doing things particularly in
the Middle East no one else has been able to do.
And do you think we need more like outsiders like
him to run for office?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I do.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I do because he's a businessman, he's smart, and one
thing I don't think people understand about him, I've only
met the president of time or two. He has no
idea who I am. But he does listen to people.
He brings really smart people in the room and they
talk to him and he listens, and then he makes
great I always say this, I make better decisions when
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I have good information. He's got great people around him,
and he listens to the arguments on all sides, and
then he leads. And the greatest thing that he's doing
the world was the world was missing American leadership. With
with saying American leadership, the world is going to be
a better off and he's going to be a better
savate place. And President Trump preaches to the world, look,
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you should do what's in your best interests. We're going
to make America great again. Go ahead and make Canada
great again, make Mexico great again. Do what's in your
best interest. And we're all gonna, you know, we're all
obviously going to figure this out the art of the deal.
He's able to bring people together, he's able to, you know,
hopefully make everybody, you know, have some compromises.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And he does not want war. That's been the hardest
thing on what's going on in Gaza is He's been.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Really really patient with Israel as they prosecuted this war.
But what people need to understand, the reason why it's
taken Israel so long, is because they've gone house to
house putting their own soldiers. Over twelve hundred idea of
soldiers have died in a war. Did they did not start?
The average age of an idea of soldier, he's about
thirty three years old. These are young men with families
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that are having to go defend their country. This is
not what they signed up for, this is not what
they asked for. But every young man and woman in
Israel has to go to war just to survive. And
so the reason why it's taken so long because in
to Lisa, in two three days of carpet bombing, two
million people could have been killed in this.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
War and Israel did not do it. They didn't do it.
But Hamas is not defeated. And as long as Hamas is.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Still able to be in power and have with a
weaponry and not demilitarized, the Gulf Arab states have already
said we're not going to spend a penny where they're
at because all it's going to be is thrown away.
They got to defeat this enemy first, then rebuild Gaza,
and then you've got a chance for prosperity.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Coach Bruce Pearl, your legend. Great to have you on,
great to finally connect. I really appreciate you making the
time and would love to We'll be looking out for
you with your new career as in broadcasting and would
love to.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Have you back on.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm very proud of you, Lisa. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That was Coach Bruce Pearl. Appreciate him for making the
time to come on the show.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Alsoone to make my producer, John Cassio for putting the
show together. Until next time.
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you.
I'm excited about today's guests because we have the legendary
coach Bruce Pearl, a longtime Auburn basketball coach, but he
also coached at the University of Tennessee while I was
going to school there. One of the best men's basketball coaches,
probably in history. But he's a great, all time legend.
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He's now transitioning over to broadcasting. He's going to be
working for T ANDT Sports as well as CBS Sports,
so we'll talk about that transition.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Of course, I'm going to talk to him about his
time coaching.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is he going to miss it? Does he have a
favorite school? I'll get all of that and more. We're
also going to discuss why he has chosen to be
outspoken on some political issues as well, particularly the rise
of anti Semitism that we've seen on college campuses. He
has been outspoken in support of President Trump. He has
said President Trump deserves a nobel peace price, so we'll
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talk to him about that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
How does he think President Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We'll talk about the latest ceasefire in the Middle East,
as well, and then lastly, I'm going to ask him
about how colleges and universities have changed throughout his time
in coaching. The Manhattan Institute's City Journal is out with
new college rankings taking an account some different considerations than
we see from the usual college rankings, taking account things
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like DEI or free speech, so we'll talk to him
about that as well. A lot to discuss with the
legendary coach Bruce Pearl. Stay tuned, well, Bruce Pearl, you're
the legendary coach Bruce Pearl. You were actually coaching men's
basketball when a while I was attending the University of Tennessee.
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But you are an absolute legend. So it is great
to have you on the show, Sir. I really appreciate
you making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Lisa Stop. I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I've watched you from the times you got on Fox
and as guests and now with your own shows, and
so I'm very proud of the of the former University
of Tennessee student that's bringing the truth to the world
about so many things that are important.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, We've got a lot of mutiful respect then for
this episode, so I appreciate that, so it's very kind.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But like you, you are a legend, right Like, even
when you're at the Tennessee, you brought you brought the
Bulls to multiple NCAA tournament appearances. We reached the Elite
eight at Auburn. You're the school's all time winning as coach.
You led Auburn to the Final four twice. Right, So
like you've got a lot of wins under your belt, awards,
like all of it, right, a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Of tournament appearances. Do you miss coaching?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well, I don't know yet. I've only been out of
it for three weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know, well, you know, sir, three weeks. Are you
going to miss coaching? I guess this is the better question.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
No, Lisa, I miss practice, and I do miss teaching,
and I miss the kids, and I miss my coaches.
There's no question. But you know, I'll be sixty six
in March. I still got plenty in the tank. I'm
not retired. But I got to a point where I
wasn't waking up every single morning thinking about beating Kentucky
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or Florida, Alabama or Tennessee, and I started thinking about
things like my country and my advocacy for the state
of Israel, education, faith, family, things that you guys.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Focus on all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And so I really made a thought and thought for
about a couple of months in the months of May and
June about running for the United States Senate and trying
to run for Tommy Tumberville's seat after he got done
and became our next governor. And I really thought about
doing it the more I got to know about the job.
I didn't think i'd love the work I was wanting
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to serve. But I think the pace and I think
the way it runs would bother me. I'm big about
bringing people together. I'm big about working together getting things done.
I'm an American more than I'm anything else. And right
now the parties are so incredibly divided that I just
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don't know that I couldn't do more for my country
on the outside than in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Do you Before we get to that is really important,
I want to talk about that. Has Auburn been your favorite?
Do you have a favorite? Or is that asking like
a parent to pick their favorite kid?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We have our favorite?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
What coaching experience?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Is there a specific university or college campus that has
been I know Auburn's been your most recent but has
there Do you have a favorite or.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You know, so this was the favorite stuff, Like like
like when we were at Tennessee, you know at the time,
you could be Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I mean, I was huge.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And so my first year we go to Arena and
Chris Lofton goes off for like thirty five and we
beat Kentucky UH for the first time in a long time.
And then we got a chance to play Kevin Durant
and Texas. You're probably a senior then, and that was
a huge, huge win. I don't even know if Texas
was where they were ranked, but beating Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
We had a couple of.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Wins at home over number one ranked teams. We had
one UH against Kansas UH, and then we had one
at Memphis. Do you remember when we went to Memphis
in the one two matchup? It was on ESPN. It
was the highest rated show on college basketball, and so
for the highest rated show to be Tennessee Memphis, not
North Carolina and Duke or.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Not Kansas or Kentucky, it was just huge.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So those are the best times there, and of course
just the runs to the final four, the road to
the final four at Auburn twice.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know, those were those were the greatest moments for me.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I mean, it's got to be you know. I mean,
that's that's as far as you can go. So you know,
that's that's got to be special. You know.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I know you mentioned you were entertaining running for Senate
in Alabama. You're going to be shifting gears over to broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How are you feeling about that?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I imagine it's going to be exciting. It's something new. You're
still going to talk about what you love basketball.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
How are you feeling about it?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm excited about it. I am so fired up.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Turner has put together you know, they had the greatest
basketball show on Earth with Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith
and Shaq and Ernie Johnson as the host when they
were covering the NBA, and they've done that as well
as anybody for a long long time. Well, ESPN now
pretty much has the NBA, and so what I thought
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they both did brilliantly was say, look, we got to
keep that team together. And I think Turner's going to
produce it, ESPN's going to air it, and so you're
going to still see that show all the time, which
is great, but that opened a window for Turner and
TNT Sports to begin to look at let's get into
college basketball. So they made a big investment and jumped
into the Big East in the Big Twelve, and they
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got games. But what they've done is create a pretty
much a Saturday show with Adam Levko as host, and
he's saw the next Ernie Johnson. Adam's incredible. And they're
bringing in Jamal Mashburn, Jalen Rose, and coach Bruce Pearl
to be on air pretty much every Saturday and just
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bring you college basketball. I'm excited about teaching the game,
analyzing the game, breaking down the game. Least of the
quality of the game right now, college basketball has like
never been better, and so yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
I'll be in studio a lot, and I'll be calling
some games for CBS as well.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think you're gonna let You're gonna have so much
fun with it. I mean, one, obviously, you know this
stuff better than anyone, and then too, you know you're
great at it, so it'll just be I'm sure it'll
just be fun for.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You, guys.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
For you really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know you had mentioned where you felt, you know,
obviously everything about running percentate, where you felt like you
just had to speak out about all these issues that
we're saying in the country.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Obviously we saw the horrific terror attacks in Israel as well.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Why did you know it's tough to speak out, particularly
when you know, I would say a lot in the
media we're sort of on the side of Gaza somehow, right,
and the plight of the Palestinians and sort of ignoring
what uh, what happened to Israelis on you know, October
seventh and what they went through.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So it's it's not exactly easy to speak out in
this environment.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Why'd you decide to start speaking out and to sort
of interject yourself into some of these broader conversations.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Lisa, for the same reason that you do in a
sense that this may be a job for you, but
you're on the side of good versus evil. You are
on on on most issues. You mentioned the plight of
the Palestinians. The plight of the Palestinians is self inflicted
and it has been since they created the term a
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Palestinian and Palestinian authori or whatever. Completely and one percent
self inflicted and we obviously, I guess it's not ob
saw that again on October seventh. Israel has tried and
unfortunately failed to live in peace with its with its
Arab neighbors, and some and many of those Arab Abras
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are now jumping on board the Abraham Accords. The Gulf
Arab states there are two million Israeli Arabs that decided
back in nineteen forty eight they weren't going to leave,
and they weren't going to fight, and they're going to
just continue to live right where they were, where they were,
and now there are two million.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Of them living their best lives in Israel.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
The lie and the propaganda and this whole thing about
it right to return was some Palestinians left their homes
in nineteen forty eight because the Arab country said, listen,
you all need to get out of there right now.
You give us about a week or ten days. We're
going to kill every Jew that's left in Israel. You
can go back to your house, you can go back
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to their house. It's going to be ours. And they left,
and they fought and they lost, and for eighty years
Israel has been trying to find a way to maybe
offer land for peace, like, Okay, let's give them Gaza,
and let's let's see if maybe giving them their own
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state in our era, their own autonomy, is going to
be something that maybe we could get peace. And the
answer was we got a terrorist state, and we got rockets,
and we got death, and we had to have Iron
Dome and then the atrocities of October seventh, twenty twenty three,
the biggest Holocaust since since the Nazi Germany. We're getting
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the banana pel is getting pulled back, and whether the
world like what they saw or not, because they were
many were against Israel and for Hamas and the plight
of the Palestinians. They recognized that this wasn't just the
Palestinian leadership. This were Palestinians, and these were Gosins. And
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you know, there were there were six million Jews killed
in the Holocaust, nine million people over all, Lisa, And
there were hundreds and hundreds of stories of the righteous
of people in Germany or Poland or France that were
somehow trying to save, hide, protect their Jewish neighbors. You
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haven't heard one story come out of Gaza where any
any hostage has left saying yeah, well, you know, they
treated me well, they gave me plenty of food. I
was this, I was that not. So that's why, Lisa,
in the sense that they're not teaching this in college,
they're not teaching this enough in the churches and the synagogues.
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It's it's just all the obviously the truth. And as
a coach and a teacher and an American Jew, I
sort of feel a responsibility to tie and try and
teach the truth, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And just to be clear, I was saying that that's
been sort of like the broad or narrative from the media.
In my own personal view is that I don't believe
there's enough daylight between you know, the every day Gazin's
and has if you look at polling that's been conducted
over the years, or the fact that Gaza, you know,
Hamas was elected into governance and gaz I believe it
was in two thousand and.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Six, if my memory serves me correct. But just so
just to be clear and where I stand on this.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But you had mentioned that college campuses, you know, it's
not this history is not being taught or you know,
some sort of distorted viewpoint is being taught. Have you
did you notice anti semitism on college campuses throughout the
years or obviously we've seen with these encampments. After the
terror attacks, you know, it got really bad on college
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campuses and at these universities. But did you notice it
before or kind of like when did you notice the
uptick on an anti semitism on college campuses?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, it's amazing, Lisa.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
We may not have really noticed it that much until
the day after October seventh, when the day after twelve
hundred were murdered, two hundred and fifty kidnapped, Fifty Americans
died on that day and over a dozen were taken hostage,
some of them whom were executed in captivity. Did we
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see kids on college campuses cheering for Hamas and listen,
I get it. Who wouldn't want Palestine to be free
when you pose it that way, I would want America
to be free. I'd want the Soviet Union to be free,
Ukraine to be free, Palestine be free.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I get it. But what Palestine means is to free
Palestine of the Jews from the river to the sea.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Freedom of the Jews by either death or destruction or
scaring us to somehow leave, and so I didn't really
see it until all of a sudden we saw these
college campuses, particularly the campuses.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
On the hosts. Now, I'll tell you, Lisa, you didn't
see it. In the South. You did not see it.
You didn't see much of it Tennessee. You didn't see
any of it at Auburn.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And when there was the beginnings of some of that,
the Evangelic Christian community or the leadership of these schools
were not going to.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Allow their student bodies to be subjected to it.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I've got to take a quick commercial break. More as
coach Bruce Pearl on the other side, you know, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
An interesting point because you look at the City Journal,
which was founded by the Manhattan Institute. They put out
their own college rankings taking into two different things like
DEI and free speech and things that aren't always to
take you are not at all taken into account with
some of these other college rankings. Do talk about the
importance of that, And do you think that parents are
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going to be sort of using a different baseline now
when they look at where their kids are going to
go to school, to go to college or to university.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
You know, like that's a that's a great question. I
saw that report as well. You know, higher education, it's
at a turning point right now. Not to coin a phrase,
but I think schools have lost the public's trust, and
I think too many colleges have gotten caught up in
politics and activism instead of doing what they're supposed to do,
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like just teaching and challenging, you know, students to think
for themselves and prepare them for life after graduation.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So I agree with you, Lisa.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Families and parents and their kids are looking for better options.
They want places where students can get a great education,
grow as people, be safe, enjoy their college experience. And
that's why I think you're seeing more and more students
start to choose schools like Auburn, you know, from.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
The South, Lisa.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
We add sixty five thousand applications at Auburn for five
thousand spots.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
There is a rigulous curriculum.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
There is a faculty that is a mixture of of
our country and not just in one direction. In fact,
I was looking at the report and the Southeastern Conference,
which I was where I spent the last couple of
decades in my career, has got five schools in the
top fifteen in the City Journal ranking. Florida was number one,
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Texas was two. I think A and M was four,
Georgia was ranked in the top ten, and then I
think Auburn was fifteenth. And I just think it speaks
to the emphasis on excellence and some sort of sanity
that are actually taking place in the state institutions of
the South.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Well so selfishly, it makes all of us SEC graduates
look a lot better or better because it's the harder
the University of Tennessee gets to get into. Then that
makes you look better when I say went to school there,
I'm an alumni.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, well it's for you.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I should brag on go balls. And and look look
at the.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Migration that's leaving either New York City or leaving you know, California,
and they're coming to states like Texas and Tennessee, you know,
even truly, even Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
These are all SEC schools.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
You know, most college rankings they're all about money and
prestige and alumni and name recognition, and they really don't
tell you anything about the quality of education or what
kind of a student experience that that kids are gonna have.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I mean, that's the thing about Auburn.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Our kids are happy that they like it, they're they're
they're comfortable.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So I was I was kind of pleased to see that.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
And it just didn't surprise me to see like a
school like Harvard ranked thirty seventh, or maybe so many
the Ivy League schools that were on the other side
of it, because I think I think the schools in
the South, they're focusing on a tougher curriculum, you know,
student life and outcomes, like outcomes like what's your first
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year salary going to be? Like what about ten years?
How much debt are you going to have? And I
think those are the things that this it looks like
to me. Anyways, And I've been to all these campuses.
I'll say this, Lisa. I always tell the kids at Auburn.
I said, look, I don't know you. I'm walking around,
I don't know you, but I know who you are
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trying to become because you chose to come to Auburn.
I know the Auburn man or the Auburn woman that
you're trying to become, loving your country, loving your God,
loving your neighbor at a place that's small enough for
you to be important, but big enough for you to
do anything in the world.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
And so I have Grinson.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I have great hopes for higher education, and I believe
in free speech, and I believe in the right to
peaceful protest. But what we saw in college campuses was
not peaceful protest. And they were organized by many people
that came from not this country, and they were weaponized,
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and they were leached. They were leaching themselves to our students,
and you know, you had kids that were cheering and
there were rebels without a cause.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
My only bone to pick with the City Journalist rankings
that they have a University of Florida at number one.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Florida is one of our nemesis at the University of Tennessee,
it is arch nemesis. So yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You've publicly supported President Trump and had previously said that
he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
How do you think he's doing so far in this
second term?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Well, Lisa, I appreciate one. I appreciate many things that
you've said in many of the questions you've asked. But
one of the things I appreciate what you just said
is you must have done your research and your homework.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Because I was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Supporting President Trump after he lost in twenty twenty, and
I was very, very concerned about the change in the
admitted administration.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I've always been kind of a Joe Biden fan.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You know, he's a good old boy, uh and and
you know, just just good old Joe. And I don't
mean to downplay it, but I thought we always had
a pretty decent heart for Israel.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And he wasn't the brightest bulb in the circuit. Never was.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But but but I think people thought he was a
good public servant or whatever. All he did was twist
everything that Trump did. He went in day one and
changed everything. And so we look at what President Trump inherited,
as he would say, he inherited a dumpster fire. He
inherited a disaster. He had he had like a ridiculously
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high rted inflation. They were printing money and giving it away.
They couldn't ship it out the door faster in the
last six months of the administration, And and what for
political favor and and and they just they just poured
gasoline on inflation, and and.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And the debt.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
They funded their their allies and mees, They funded Iran,
they funded Hamas, they funded the Palestine Authority, and they
reverted back to some of President Obama's policies of trying
to rebalance the power in the Middle East by empowering Iran.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And what did they get.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
They funded as well in Levin, and they funded Hamas
and they created this. The Democratic leadership created this when
Ukraine was not at war with Russia and they were
talking about maybe getting into NATO leadership in this world,
you just said, listen, you used to be Russia. Okay,
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you're not coming into NATO. We're gonna work with you.
You're gonna work with Russia. You're gonna be best case scenario.
But the fact that the world even entertained letting NATO,
that again half of it used to be Russia, that
sort of brought this war on.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
We didn't need to have it. So the lack of
leadership the direction they turned the country in. Thank god
President Trump was elected.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I can't even imagine where our country would be right now,
whether it be with a debtor or how these wars
would that President Trump is trying to solve and create peace.
I mean, in my lifetime, and of course i've been
I'm sixty, I'm sixty five years old. I don't know
there ever was a president that could have brought the
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Arab world and the Israelis together to both make these
kind of compromise and get these hostages out. When they
took two hundred and fifty hostages, Lisa, if you put
a bet down, you could have never dreamed or imagined
we'd get so many of them home.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That are alive.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
A reminder, there are still thirteen that are not bodies
that are there, including Omer Nutra, a wonderful American young man.
He did it, Trump did it. Now where do we
go from here? Okay, Hamas must be defeated. This enemy
must be destroyed somehow, some shit, whether it's from within
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or whether it's something that the world needs to take
care of. Just follow the different phases, follow the different steps.
And President Trump has been incredible, and I just pray
for them all the time. And I know that the
Republican Party has by and large been very supportive of
almost everything that he's done. There are America only folks
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in our party, and I understand it, because you know what,
the economy isn't great, and we shouldn't be funding wars
and doing these different things. We've got to be taking
care of folks at home. But Israel has been a
great investment. It's been a great bang for the buck
in the sense that it's protecting Western civilization. What they
do for us in cybersecurity and AI and intelligence. I
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think Israel has been a great investment. And I think
when the Middle East becomes peaceful, it'll also become prosperous,
and that is going to be a great economic boom.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
The United States of America.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Got to take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social
media or maybe send it to your friends and family.
President Trump, I agree with you, he's sort of a
uniquely special as a politician. But like perhaps it's because
he's not a politician, you know, and he came up
from the outside. Why do you think he's been so
successful in getting you know, whether it be the Abraham
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records or getting the hostages back, doing things particularly in
the Middle East no one else has been able to do.
And do you think we need more like outsiders like
him to run for office?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I do.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I do because he's a businessman, he's smart, and one
thing I don't think people understand about him, I've only
met the president of time or two. He has no
idea who I am. But he does listen to people.
He brings really smart people in the room and they
talk to him and he listens, and then he makes
great I always say this, I make better decisions when
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I have good information. He's got great people around him,
and he listens to the arguments on all sides, and
then he leads. And the greatest thing that he's doing
the world was the world was missing American leadership. With
with saying American leadership, the world is going to be
a better off and he's going to be a better
savate place. And President Trump preaches to the world, look,
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you should do what's in your best interests. We're going
to make America great again. Go ahead and make Canada
great again, make Mexico great again. Do what's in your
best interest. And we're all gonna, you know, we're all
obviously going to figure this out the art of the deal.
He's able to bring people together, he's able to, you know,
hopefully make everybody, you know, have some compromises.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And he does not want war. That's been the hardest
thing on what's going on in Gaza is He's been.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Really really patient with Israel as they prosecuted this war.
But what people need to understand, the reason why it's
taken Israel so long, is because they've gone house to
house putting their own soldiers. Over twelve hundred idea of
soldiers have died in a war. Did they did not start?
The average age of an idea of soldier, he's about
thirty three years old. These are young men with families
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that are having to go defend their country. This is
not what they signed up for, this is not what
they asked for. But every young man and woman in
Israel has to go to war just to survive. And
so the reason why it's taken so long because in
to Lisa, in two three days of carpet bombing, two
million people could have been killed in this.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
War and Israel did not do it. They didn't do it.
But Hamas is not defeated. And as long as Hamas is.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Still able to be in power and have with a
weaponry and not demilitarized, the Gulf Arab states have already
said we're not going to spend a penny where they're
at because all it's going to be is thrown away.
They got to defeat this enemy first, then rebuild Gaza,
and then you've got a chance for prosperity.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Coach Bruce Pearl, your legend. Great to have you on,
great to finally connect. I really appreciate you making the
time and would love to We'll be looking out for
you with your new career as in broadcasting and would
love to.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Have you back on.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm very proud of you, Lisa. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That was Coach Bruce Pearl. Appreciate him for making the
time to come on the show.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Alsoone to make my producer, John Cassio for putting the
show together. Until next time.
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