December 2, 2025 • 29 mins
This episode takes a deep dive into Minnesota’s massive fraud scandal, involving billions of dollars siphoned from state programs. Dustin Grage joins Lisa to examine how oversight failures under the Tim Walz administration allowed the scheme to grow, while also exploring the cultural and political factors at play within the Somali community. The conversation provides historical context, breaks down how the fraud reached such an unprecedented scale, and discusses the broader political fallout. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're diving deep in a Minnesota's billion dollar fraud scandal.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We're talking ghost meals.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Sham therapies, and kickbacks that allegedly funneled taxpayer cash to terrorists,
all on Tim Walls's watch, with state in action fueled
by fears of racism due to the Somali community, which
is where this is all tied to. So joining me
to discuss it all and to dig into it all
and to expose it all is Dustin Gray. She's a
(00:33):
Minnesota based up strategist. He's also a town Hall columnist,
and he's a relentless Walls critic who has been sounding
the alarm on this mess from day one. So we'll
dig into all of it with Dustin Grays. Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, Dustin, it's great to have you on this show.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know we're joking before we got started at Tim
Walls is keeping you busy here?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes? Yes, he has kick us off, walk us through.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There's this big fraud scandal that hit the state of Minnesota,
and the scale is extremely large. I mean we're talking
about up to a billion dollars, one of the biggest
fraud scandals we've seen in quite some time, and it
all unfolded under the Timwalls administration not doing anything about it.
So walk us through sort of big picture, what are
(01:24):
you hearing in the state and what do we know
so far?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, and I guess, honestly, Lisa like the biggest thing
right out of the gate there with the statement of
we're looking up to a billion dollars, I mean, frankly,
we're looking at billions of dollars. I think early on
with the RUFO report, you know the billions Zimber was
thrown out there not a lot of that is quite
yet public So then it's been lowered to a billion,
and at this point based on that reporting, but quite frankly,
(01:52):
US Attorney Joe Thompson, the former one, now he's on
his way out, just simply because we had a new
Trump pick come in. So so that was just the
current acting US Attorney General Minnesota. He had thrown out
the number of billions because that's currently what's under investigation
right now. The chargers haven't quite been brought for publicly
(02:13):
yet at this point, but there is billions of dollars
at this point, and that could be confirmed through the
different whistleblowers that have come forward to the Fraud and
Oversight Committee here in Minnesota. So that's been established in
the Minnesota State House under Speaker Lisa Damuth and now
the chair of that committee being Christian Robbins. Both are
(02:34):
actually governor candidates here ran in Minnesota. So fraud is
a massive issue here going against Tim Walls. But yeah,
the number is definitely to the tune of billions of dollars,
So yeah, there's gonna be a lot more to come here.
And even some of those whistle blowers within DHS many
are probably familiar with the group that recently went very
(02:54):
ultra viral. They actually surpassed me as the most viral
Republican leaning tweet in the state history. My record was
twenty eight million views. They broke it with thirty five
million so far on THEIRS and that's where they came
out recently blaming Tim Walls one hundred percent for the
fraud that has occurred. And that same group had predicted
(03:15):
that by the end of when all of this is
kind of shaped out and done, and this isn't just
Somali fraud, but all of the fraud as a whole
within DHS. They predict the fraud could exceed six point
five billion dollars when we're all said and done with this,
just in the time that Tim Walls has been governor.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And so basically, you know what happened is, you know,
involves this network of Minnesota nonprofits primarily tied to the
Somali community in Minnesota. Uh and you know they stole
these funds that were meant for child nutrition, housing, autism
therapy programs during the COVID era. I guess walk us
(03:53):
through a little bit about how the fraud worked and
what we know about the fraud.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, so I'll actually bring us right back to the
very beginning, which is back in twenty fourteen. It goes
that far back. So back then there was a program
known as SEACAP and it's still active today. They've fixed
up a little bit of the fraud issues with that program,
but there's still plenty of it. But what this is
is a daycare assistance program in the state of Minnesota.
(04:19):
Was one of the very first ones kind of in
the Somali fraud realm. There were issues back then under
Governor Mark Daton at the time, and Republicans were calling
this out. This was a main campaign issue at the door.
As I had personally worked for the State Party at
the time, it was a big issue. We're bringing up, Hey,
this is something we just had to pay attention to
(04:40):
because we think this is going to be a problem.
And keep in mind I was knocking doors in Saint Cloud.
Everyone's familiar with Minneapolis, but Saint Cloud is the number
two hub in the state of Minnesota for Somali's a
massive population out there. Consider of the population and it
you know, there was pushback when we came to the
(05:01):
with that issue because we were quote unquote targeting the
Somali community.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But that's ultimately where the fraud was coming from.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now we didn't quite tie quite to the Horn of
Africa and terrorism at that point. Fast forward to twenty eighteen,
we actually had a whistle blower come to the State
Senate and claim that under sea cap there was money
being sentate overseas And come back to the Chris roof
Of report, how kind of this claim of well, it's
(05:28):
going to fund al Shabab. Chris references how that's being
done is through something called hualas so in the Horn
of Africa. It's a fairly unstable region in the world,
largely run by terrorists. They don't really have banks there,
they have these hualas, which are basically money brokers. So
if you're just simply sending money over to your family,
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which you know it's a third world country, and even
if you're just a checkout clerk at a gas station here,
you're considered rich in that community. So if you're just
saying over back money to help family, and you know
you're doing it for all the right reasons, al Shabab
is probably going to take a percentage off of those
money broker deals, and then therefore you are funding terrorism,
(06:12):
not even if it's not directly and intentionally, you're doing so.
This was being brought back in twenty eighteen, and in
particular it was a suitcase filled with a million dollars
cold hard cash being sent over to Somalia. This is
what kind of ignited this conversation of WHOA, we're going
(06:32):
to fund al Shabab, and because we're catching the bank
wire transfers, they're now having to send it in cold
hard cash. This is when it really started to blow up. Now,
granted not to the levels it is now. The mainstream
media here in Minnesota maybe touched on this for a
week and then they forgot about it, and it's been
forgotten about since. Probably twenty twenty two is when it
(06:53):
really started to pick up again, because as an everyone
knows when he twenty comes along and then it just
blows up. A lot of people don't know it's blowing
up at this point, but everyone can guess why. There's
just absolutely no oversight on these COVID spending bills, and
it's going to all these different things. Now we're talking
about not just SEACAP, which is daycare fraud. We're talking
(07:16):
about autism fraud, food fraud being the biggest one, obviously
with feet in our future, we're talking about adult disability
fraud with assistance in that manner, and I'll cover a
couple of these in more detail, but ultimately at the
end of the day, that's where we kind of fast
forward into. Now we're touching into a dozen different programs
to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars in
(07:37):
some of these and now when you total it all up,
billions of dollars at least a billion has been come
forward and confirmed charged fraud.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
But at the end of the day, this.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Will end up being billions of dollars in fraud for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Why did it take so long? Then? You know, I
mean this has been going on that long? Like how
did you know? What I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
How did it not get uh?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
How did it not So even going back to twenty
fourteen there when like we're knocking out the doors, I'm
in Saint Cloud doing this in a Samali you know,
rich community, you would be accused of being a racist
because while you're picking on the Somalis very specifically, and
you know, that's racist a lot. And I've been told
(08:19):
this from mainstream media journalists in Minnesota because a handful
of them are kind of in my pocket in terms
of like, hey, we appreciate what you're doing on X
and shine a light on it. You know, we can't
do it because you know, we bring these stories for it,
but our newsroom stops us, and then we can't do
it because our bosses say, no, we can't report on that.
(08:40):
They tell me that they're tired of being being accused
of being a racist simply for trying to do their job.
But that does happen very often. And if you go
to twenty twenty two during the gubernatorial race that cycle
Omar Fetah is actually seeing recorded on video at a
feed in Our Future event saying how they had a
(09:01):
great victory in court on preventing the payments from being
stopped because they went forward to the courts and the
Walls administration on hey, you're racists for targeting a Somali
community organization. Basically, now, the head lady was white, but
seventy six of the seventy eight currently charged in this
(09:24):
Being our Future case are all from the Horn of Africa.
That's where they kind of come from. It's either Somalia,
Somali Land, Kenya, or Ethiopia. Those are the kind of
the four countries there that this is all concentrate around.
So yeah, you would be ultimately acclaimed being called a
racist in the process, But you know, it's kind of
like this this toxic empathy in a matter, and like
(09:46):
that's just kind of how it ended up happening because
people just kind of let it happen because they would
be accused of being called a racist, and you know,
at the end of the day, I think that's the
ultimate underlying reason why it kept going. But yeah, as well,
there was just no say, no rail guards on any
of this stuff. In terms of oversight and the end
(10:07):
of the day, it definitely falls on the governor and
his administration for failing to see these warnings because Republicans, frankly,
we have been worrying about it for years. It was
just ignored.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Dustin
on the other side. And we know whistleblower complaints and
there were internal concerns raised at least as early as
twenty eighteen to twenty twenty, but Tim Wall's administration did nothing.
How much do you think he knew that this was
going well?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, quite frankly, there are reports out there that
showed they suspected fraud in particular with fee in our Future.
That's why they very briefly stopped payments and then these
accusations of will your racist came out. Then they let
the payments kept going, and then they brought it to
court and let the court settle it. Well, the courts
(10:59):
are all owned by Democrats as well. And you know,
before I continue on that point, I'll mention that we've
actually had one of our cases was a state brought
case on these Somali fraudsters. It was a seven point
two million dollar medicaid fraud scheen run out of.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
A peal box.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
The jury came back after four hours of deliberation, Lisa,
they came back unanimous. This guy's guilty. Slap it shut in.
This case is closed. The judge, who was appointed by
a Democrat governor, came back reversed the ruling. They said, hey,
we understand this jury conviction was unanimous, and you think
(11:39):
this guy's guilty and with a beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm reversing that decision. And now that's going into appeals
right now. So even in the one state case we
can find, they're actually reversing rulings on Somali medicaid fraud.
It's an absolutely insane but at the end of the day, yeah,
like there's just absolutely no oversight. And even when there
(11:59):
is a state broadcase so that's not pushed by the Feds,
we're overturning convictions right now on Somali fraud. It's absolutely
insane and you have to believe just everyone is in
on it at this point.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Now a lot of these parents, i mean, recruiters are
paying you know, one hundred to three hundred dollars per
child per month to some of these parents to put
their children's names on fake rosters. You know, so a
lot of families in the community we're going along with
this knowingly.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, yeah, and that there is definitely cases of that
where you know, there's maybe community members, but honestly, a
lot of it is fake names and data births and everything.
Like when we're looking at feeing our future. There's a
case up in the I believe Bimidgie more Heady. It's
northern Minnesota. They actually had a case where someone was
you know, doing millions of dollars in fraud. I think
(12:50):
it was a little under two million dollars. But they
claim to have been feeding more people per week than
there was the population of the community, more than double
the population of the community on a weekly basis, that's
what they were claiming. And by the way, this was
like kids they were feeding quote unquote, so we're only
(13:11):
counting the kids in this instance of what we're actually
feeding with feeding our future for this case. But like
it's just so clearly overblown and yeah, and that's where
I was on that last point of walls. Actually, there's
an investigation that they did suspect fraud and they could
have done this, that they could have went in and
subpoenaed the bank records as well. They actually found that
(13:33):
they refused to subpoena the bank records, and then they
made this giant complain of well, we can't actually do that,
but it was later proved in that investigation they could
have and yeah, it just appears that this is a
giant racketeering campaign, whether it's intentional or not. Because also
the larger point of this is, yeah, Smali fraudsters. There's
only like one hundred thousand of them in this state.
(13:55):
It's small population, but they're committing over half of the fraud.
It's absolutely insane. But these fraudsters that are actually donating
to the Democrat candidates within these campaigns that are running
statewide and for state legislative offices. So it's essentially whether
it's intentional or not operating as a racketeering campaign of
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money launtering government dollars to Democrat campaigns which are becoming
the judges and the state officials that are ultimately going
to go ahead and prosecute this crime. And we have
to wonder why is it only federal authorities that are
actually coming through and prosecuting the crime. Maybe Democrats are
in on this. I mean you have to believe that
at some.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
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Speaker 2 (14:47):
I mean, is Wall's corrupt?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I mean I would say so, Now can we prove
it like in a court. You know, that's a completely
different water line on what we would have to actually prove.
But I mean where there's smoke, Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I mean, there's just too much here. And like people
made the complaints, Well, fraud's so much worse than California. Look,
(15:10):
we have tens of billions of dollars in fraud. It's like, yeah, sure,
but if you just take like La and San Francisco,
you have more people in two cities than the entire
state of Minnesota. I mean, the amount of fraud for
how little of a population we have, it's absolutely unprecedented.
I mean, we're by far the worst in the country.
(15:32):
It's not even close. And yeah, when you have trifected
Democrat control holding levers of power for every single facet
of the government, with the exception of just recently we tied,
and I just we tied the state House. Because of that,
we got the Fraud Prevention Committee that's run by Republicans.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
We were able to get that in a broker deal.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Literally, the only thing operating in this state is just
simply putting a magnifying glass on the fraud. And it's
just blowing up right now, just simply for oversight on fraud.
Imagine if Republicans had a single body, let alone just
a majority on a single committee. I mean, it's unprecedented.
(16:17):
And you had just had to believe that Democrats are
in on this fraud, because otherwise it would be blowing up.
But it simply isn't because they have total control other
than this one committee that's putting a magnifying glass. And
because that magnifying glass is there, we're all talking about
it on the national level. Otherwise, if we didn't, nobody
would frankly know that this is even happening right now.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's bizarre, but that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And I think there's been you know, something like seventy
five plus defendants and the Feeding our Future scheme alone
that have now been charged by the Department of Justice
sort of you know, collectively.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But to your point, I mean, this is part.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Of like broader you know, fraud that we're saying with
the small community and in you know, the Minnesota area.
I mean, we learned back in September about Operation Twin Shield.
It was this ten days ser site visits and interviews
across Minneapolis Saint Paul area looking at over one thousand
high risk immigration cases and they found fraud, non compliance
(17:17):
or public safety concerns and about forty four percent of those.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Reviewed.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
It led to you know, forty two ICE referrals, also
arrests as well. I mean, so, I guess what does
that tell us about the Somali community in the Minneapolis area.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
You know, it's not good, you know, And I people,
if you just touch the subject, you're you're immediately labeled
a racist. And honestly, I'm just sick of the bullshit.
So I'm just going to cut through it that, Yes,
this this is a Somali problem. Like when you take
individuals who have just been in civil war their entire lives,
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and that's just.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Like the culture that you grow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Up in, and then you import that in mass to
a single area and I'm talking like maybe three cities
and you just PLoP them in these three cities, in
particular Minneapolis, which is I'll push now to like some
suburban areas in Sane Cloud. I'm just based on my
other TWN Wilmer is kind of the third one, lesser known,
(18:22):
smaller population, but you just put them in groups and
then you're forced to not assimilate to a new culture.
I mean, there are city blocks and I've talked with
a couple of different bloggers since this is blown up,
they've come to Minneapolis and actually they're shooting documentaries right now.
I've got one friend who's going to have a documentary
coming out, and they actually had a Smali gangster run
(18:44):
at them with a gun. That's you're probably gonna see
that on a documentary coming up here soon. Because these
white people went in to a community where you frankly
can't go city blocks without a translator in some of
these areas. And when you're the only white person people,
especially with all this fraud kind of coming down, they're like, well,
you're not here for the right reasons. You're here to
(19:04):
expose all this fraud that's happening. You know you're gonna
come with some pushback against you when you go into
those communities right now, and you know, it was dangerous.
They actually left early halfway through the documentary. They got
plenty of content, apparently because they were happy with it,
but they ended up leaving earlier than they anticipated originally
because it was quickly spreading like, hey, these guys are
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going around with a camera and they're not welcome here.
You know, it started to get dangerous after a while
for these guys. So when you're just forced to not assimilate,
you're just simply not going to adjust to the new
culture of where you're being dropped off at. And it's
become a problem now where yeah, where we have this
toxic empathy and if you just kind of take this
(19:48):
culture of I mean just quite frankly anarchy, because that's
where Somalia was when they came here.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
They were in the middle of civil war.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Under a communist socialist dictatorship under Seat bar with these
clan wars on top of that, and we've honestly just
brought that back here. The funny thing I have mentioned
to some other podcasters here too and personalities is the
clan wars involved in this. People have asked like, well,
why aren't Samolians speaking up. The funny part is that
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a lot of the whistle blowers are actually Somalian. It's
actually Smolians coming forward and saying, hey, we want to
get rid of these bad apples. The problem is they
can't actually even come out publicly and say it's them
being the whistleblowers on this fraud because they might be
a part of a clan that's connected to a member
of the community that's committing the fraud and it would
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make their clan look bad and because of that, their
family will disown them and they so they can't actually
speak up publicly on this. They have to do it
through a whistle blower status. So it's just layer after
layer with this fraud stuff. And that is ultimately, at
the end of the day, why it has gone on
so long, because you also have all of these other
(21:01):
layers involved with the Somali fraud and that's where it's
gotten us today.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
You know, from your experiences to what extent.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Do the people in the Smali community in the Minneapolis area,
do they assimilate at all or what have you seen?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Much less though in Minneapolis there's no question about that.
I mean in sant Claude and Wilmer. I think it's
much more so like you are a similarity more and
some people in Sant Claude might disagree with me on that,
but they haven't been to Cedar Riverside in Minneapolis. It's
a very different area there where, in particular, there's a
couple of city blocks where you're just not assimilating, just
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like these are the areas where the mosques are and
you're just strictly speaking Arabic of some type or Somali
of some type, and you're not communicating with the outside world.
You just kind of keep to yourself. And if someone
comes at you with a camera and asks you, hey,
let's talk about this, you'll have women tell the interviewers like, Nope,
you're a man, I can't speak to you. Like there's
(22:03):
that level of not the ability to assimilate. Now, does
that mean it's everybody.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I know plenty of people that have taken off her
jobs that they've moved out of the area and they're
working members of society and they do great work. They're
real entrepreneurs, not froudsters. Like there's very good people Like
I'm not trying to lump them all in here, but
there is a faction that refuses to assimilate, and those
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individuals are definitely a part of the problem when it
comes to this, because it's adding to these layers of
we can't unveil the fraud because there's no ability to
actually assimilate with this culture. And ultimately it adds to
these layers of how the fraud can stay hidden for
so long.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, so you think people, you know, generally find it
wrong for us to be gracious enough to allow people
enter our country and then they steal from us as
evidence by this fraud scheme, or you know, they engage
in immigration fraud either, you know, either way, they're taking
advantage of the kindness of the American people.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
You know, I know President Trump is you know, cracking down.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He is announced with the the TPS and blanking on
the what it stands.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
For TPAH the temporary protective Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yes, yes, said yeah, sorry, I had it written down,
that didn't have in front of me. So what do
you make of that and sort of what impact do
you think that might have?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, and so I mean temporary protective status. It's a
very small popular I mean, we're talking about four hundred
Somalis maybe in the minnieapp in the Minnesota area. There's
you know, another couple hundred there across the nation that
are under that status. It's a very small amount. But granted,
the argument I have for this on why that should
be removed is simply temporary protective status. The word temporary
(23:53):
that has been in place for thirty There's nothing temporary
of that being around my entire lifetime. I think there's
like a month difference between it being established in my birthday.
There's nothing temporary about that. I mean, you have to
remove that. And people also have to ask, like, Okay,
if it's still so bad there in Samalia thirty four
years later, you're like, how is this culture supposed to
(24:15):
assimilate to us. I Mean the answer very clearly is
we can't accept more refugees from there, because we're only
going to keep adding to this pile. Because you will
have like, yeah, second and third generation famalies that are assimilating.
They're going to school, they're learning English, they're getting real
jobs out there. You know, good good individuals in the community,
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and quite frankly, some of them even converting to Christianity.
They're like, you have that in some cases, but when
you keep bringing people over from Samall, you're kind of
restarting this clock again. And this is a problem like Italians,
you know, like came over to New York so many
years ago, like you had the mob and all these
other things, and they even had issues assimilating. But now
(24:57):
you're just like resetting the clock every time time you
bring over new some allise that refuse to assimilate, and
so you're just inlonging the problem as we refuse to assimilate.
So it's a big issue there. But TPS, you know,
it's more of a retalitary thing in my opinion, which
honestly fine, like it's temporary stats. We have to remove
(25:20):
this at some point. We have to eventually remove ourselves
from it. But at the end of the day, Alisa,
the big thing the Trump administration has to hit on
and they are, by the way, like I have some
individuals from the administration who are you know, letting me
know some of this info, Like they're going to start
cracking down much heavier on the small community here in
Minnesota because of this fraud. They feel like we're being fleeced,
(25:44):
and rightfully so we are. And a lot of these
assets even that have been stolen at this point, like
we can't get them, Like they ship the money off
already in many cases, so like yeah, you put a
ten million dollar judgment against someone, Well they already they
already the money overseas. It's already over in El Shabab.
It's already been funding things. They've already bought mansions in Kenya.
(26:06):
We can't get that back, you know. So there's major
problems here and ultimately, like we have to send a
message at some point that this has to stop. And
that's what the Trump administration is doing and the way
we can do that. First two steps denaturalization, what are
our pasts. They're currently in our toolbox. Denaturalization pretty much
(26:29):
confalled to two categories right now. One, you have a
terrorist association. There's probably some out there. I think we
should crack down on those. If we have terroists in
our country that are sympathetic to that, or they're sending
money directly to El Schabab, they got to get out
of here, send them back. Number Two, you committed immigration fraud,
(26:50):
You lied on your paperwork, different things like that. There's
a kind of a famous one out there that people
might be familiar with. A lot of them are married
your brother. I'm just saying, what a great message, A
strong message that would be like, hey, we don't care
the level of power you have a member of Congress,
(27:12):
if you committed an immigration fraud, you're going home. And
I think they should make that decision. And I think
they should fall through that because we know she married
her brother. We know this for a fact. The one
problem I think, well, there's two problems won the political
part of it and the kickback that you'll get for
de Porti nilan omar the two statute limitations. But she
(27:34):
has carefully committed perjury in multiple cases. That can kind
of revert that back and brand forward. But if you
committed an immigration fraud, you should also have to go
back home. And then the third point, we have to
go back to Congress and ultimately add some new ways
we can denaturalize individuals. And you know, a great one
would be, hey, you've committed millions of dollars in fraud,
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or you are a violent crito. If you're within a
certain statute of limitations and you do these crimes, you
should also have to go back. So we should create
new ways to find denaturalization processes. Because if you're refusing
to assimilate, and you're a violent criminal, and you're committing
fraud and you're doing all of these things, you should
have to go back. And we shouldn't have to have
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the good Somalis that are here, because there are good
ones there, really are. They shouldn't have to be punished
because of your bad behavior. So let's stop really saying
the clock. Let's find new ways to do to a
path of denaturalization and find a way for these good
Samalies to actually have a life in Minnesota and have
a life in the United States who are proud to
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be Americans.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Well, you know, I mean, there's a lot of good people. Ever,
we just can't take everyone in.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I was gonna say, I wonder how frequently President Trump
thinks about uh elon Oma.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I could tell you fairly often. There's some good friends
within the Republican Congressional delegation here in Minnesota, and they
tech Trump frequently, and he definitely has a magnifying glass
on Minnesota right now, and yeah, he's going to crack
down hard on it coming up here. Steven Miller is
also very passionate about this, and Minnesota's I think We're
(29:13):
just very happy that the attention is finally being brought forward,
and you know, we can fix some of these issues
that are very clear and glaring right now.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, we'll stay on top of it.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Dustin Graige, appreciate you for making the time to come
on the show.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Awesome, guys, that was Dustin Grage.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I also want to think John Cassio, my producer, were
putting the show together until next time.
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're diving deep in a Minnesota's billion dollar fraud scandal.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We're talking ghost meals.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Sham therapies, and kickbacks that allegedly funneled taxpayer cash to terrorists,
all on Tim Walls's watch, with state in action fueled
by fears of racism due to the Somali community, which
is where this is all tied to. So joining me
to discuss it all and to dig into it all
and to expose it all is Dustin Gray. She's a
(00:33):
Minnesota based up strategist. He's also a town Hall columnist,
and he's a relentless Walls critic who has been sounding
the alarm on this mess from day one. So we'll
dig into all of it with Dustin Grays. Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, Dustin, it's great to have you on this show.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know we're joking before we got started at Tim
Walls is keeping you busy here?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes? Yes, he has kick us off, walk us through.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There's this big fraud scandal that hit the state of Minnesota,
and the scale is extremely large. I mean we're talking
about up to a billion dollars, one of the biggest
fraud scandals we've seen in quite some time, and it
all unfolded under the Timwalls administration not doing anything about it.
So walk us through sort of big picture, what are
(01:24):
you hearing in the state and what do we know
so far?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, and I guess, honestly, Lisa like the biggest thing
right out of the gate there with the statement of
we're looking up to a billion dollars, I mean, frankly,
we're looking at billions of dollars. I think early on
with the RUFO report, you know the billions Zimber was
thrown out there not a lot of that is quite
yet public So then it's been lowered to a billion,
and at this point based on that reporting, but quite frankly,
(01:52):
US Attorney Joe Thompson, the former one, now he's on
his way out, just simply because we had a new
Trump pick come in. So so that was just the
current acting US Attorney General Minnesota. He had thrown out
the number of billions because that's currently what's under investigation
right now. The chargers haven't quite been brought for publicly
(02:13):
yet at this point, but there is billions of dollars
at this point, and that could be confirmed through the
different whistleblowers that have come forward to the Fraud and
Oversight Committee here in Minnesota. So that's been established in
the Minnesota State House under Speaker Lisa Damuth and now
the chair of that committee being Christian Robbins. Both are
(02:34):
actually governor candidates here ran in Minnesota. So fraud is
a massive issue here going against Tim Walls. But yeah,
the number is definitely to the tune of billions of dollars,
So yeah, there's gonna be a lot more to come here.
And even some of those whistle blowers within DHS many
are probably familiar with the group that recently went very
(02:54):
ultra viral. They actually surpassed me as the most viral
Republican leaning tweet in the state history. My record was
twenty eight million views. They broke it with thirty five
million so far on THEIRS and that's where they came
out recently blaming Tim Walls one hundred percent for the
fraud that has occurred. And that same group had predicted
(03:15):
that by the end of when all of this is
kind of shaped out and done, and this isn't just
Somali fraud, but all of the fraud as a whole
within DHS. They predict the fraud could exceed six point
five billion dollars when we're all said and done with this,
just in the time that Tim Walls has been governor.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And so basically, you know what happened is, you know,
involves this network of Minnesota nonprofits primarily tied to the
Somali community in Minnesota. Uh and you know they stole
these funds that were meant for child nutrition, housing, autism
therapy programs during the COVID era. I guess walk us
(03:53):
through a little bit about how the fraud worked and
what we know about the fraud.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, so I'll actually bring us right back to the
very beginning, which is back in twenty fourteen. It goes
that far back. So back then there was a program
known as SEACAP and it's still active today. They've fixed
up a little bit of the fraud issues with that program,
but there's still plenty of it. But what this is
is a daycare assistance program in the state of Minnesota.
(04:19):
Was one of the very first ones kind of in
the Somali fraud realm. There were issues back then under
Governor Mark Daton at the time, and Republicans were calling
this out. This was a main campaign issue at the door.
As I had personally worked for the State Party at
the time, it was a big issue. We're bringing up, Hey,
this is something we just had to pay attention to
(04:40):
because we think this is going to be a problem.
And keep in mind I was knocking doors in Saint Cloud.
Everyone's familiar with Minneapolis, but Saint Cloud is the number
two hub in the state of Minnesota for Somali's a
massive population out there. Consider of the population and it
you know, there was pushback when we came to the
(05:01):
with that issue because we were quote unquote targeting the
Somali community.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But that's ultimately where the fraud was coming from.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now we didn't quite tie quite to the Horn of
Africa and terrorism at that point. Fast forward to twenty eighteen,
we actually had a whistle blower come to the State
Senate and claim that under sea cap there was money
being sentate overseas And come back to the Chris roof
Of report, how kind of this claim of well, it's
(05:28):
going to fund al Shabab. Chris references how that's being
done is through something called hualas so in the Horn
of Africa. It's a fairly unstable region in the world,
largely run by terrorists. They don't really have banks there,
they have these hualas, which are basically money brokers. So
if you're just simply sending money over to your family,
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which you know it's a third world country, and even
if you're just a checkout clerk at a gas station here,
you're considered rich in that community. So if you're just
saying over back money to help family, and you know
you're doing it for all the right reasons, al Shabab
is probably going to take a percentage off of those
money broker deals, and then therefore you are funding terrorism,
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not even if it's not directly and intentionally, you're doing so.
This was being brought back in twenty eighteen, and in
particular it was a suitcase filled with a million dollars
cold hard cash being sent over to Somalia. This is
what kind of ignited this conversation of WHOA, we're going
(06:32):
to fund al Shabab, and because we're catching the bank
wire transfers, they're now having to send it in cold
hard cash. This is when it really started to blow up. Now,
granted not to the levels it is now. The mainstream
media here in Minnesota maybe touched on this for a
week and then they forgot about it, and it's been
forgotten about since. Probably twenty twenty two is when it
(06:53):
really started to pick up again, because as an everyone
knows when he twenty comes along and then it just
blows up. A lot of people don't know it's blowing
up at this point, but everyone can guess why. There's
just absolutely no oversight on these COVID spending bills, and
it's going to all these different things. Now we're talking
about not just SEACAP, which is daycare fraud. We're talking
(07:16):
about autism fraud, food fraud being the biggest one, obviously
with feet in our future, we're talking about adult disability
fraud with assistance in that manner, and I'll cover a
couple of these in more detail, but ultimately at the
end of the day, that's where we kind of fast
forward into. Now we're touching into a dozen different programs
to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars in
(07:37):
some of these and now when you total it all up,
billions of dollars at least a billion has been come
forward and confirmed charged fraud.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
But at the end of the day, this.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Will end up being billions of dollars in fraud for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Why did it take so long? Then? You know, I
mean this has been going on that long? Like how
did you know? What I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
How did it not get uh?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
How did it not So even going back to twenty
fourteen there when like we're knocking out the doors, I'm
in Saint Cloud doing this in a Samali you know,
rich community, you would be accused of being a racist
because while you're picking on the Somalis very specifically, and
you know, that's racist a lot. And I've been told
(08:19):
this from mainstream media journalists in Minnesota because a handful
of them are kind of in my pocket in terms
of like, hey, we appreciate what you're doing on X
and shine a light on it. You know, we can't
do it because you know, we bring these stories for it,
but our newsroom stops us, and then we can't do
it because our bosses say, no, we can't report on that.
(08:40):
They tell me that they're tired of being being accused
of being a racist simply for trying to do their job.
But that does happen very often. And if you go
to twenty twenty two during the gubernatorial race that cycle
Omar Fetah is actually seeing recorded on video at a
feed in Our Future event saying how they had a
(09:01):
great victory in court on preventing the payments from being
stopped because they went forward to the courts and the
Walls administration on hey, you're racists for targeting a Somali
community organization. Basically, now, the head lady was white, but
seventy six of the seventy eight currently charged in this
(09:24):
Being our Future case are all from the Horn of Africa.
That's where they kind of come from. It's either Somalia,
Somali Land, Kenya, or Ethiopia. Those are the kind of
the four countries there that this is all concentrate around.
So yeah, you would be ultimately acclaimed being called a
racist in the process, But you know, it's kind of
like this this toxic empathy in a matter, and like
(09:46):
that's just kind of how it ended up happening because
people just kind of let it happen because they would
be accused of being called a racist, and you know,
at the end of the day, I think that's the
ultimate underlying reason why it kept going. But yeah, as well,
there was just no say, no rail guards on any
of this stuff. In terms of oversight and the end
(10:07):
of the day, it definitely falls on the governor and
his administration for failing to see these warnings because Republicans, frankly,
we have been worrying about it for years. It was
just ignored.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Dustin
on the other side. And we know whistleblower complaints and
there were internal concerns raised at least as early as
twenty eighteen to twenty twenty, but Tim Wall's administration did nothing.
How much do you think he knew that this was
going well?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, quite frankly, there are reports out there that
showed they suspected fraud in particular with fee in our Future.
That's why they very briefly stopped payments and then these
accusations of will your racist came out. Then they let
the payments kept going, and then they brought it to
court and let the court settle it. Well, the courts
(10:59):
are all owned by Democrats as well. And you know,
before I continue on that point, I'll mention that we've
actually had one of our cases was a state brought
case on these Somali fraudsters. It was a seven point
two million dollar medicaid fraud scheen run out of.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
A peal box.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
The jury came back after four hours of deliberation, Lisa,
they came back unanimous. This guy's guilty. Slap it shut in.
This case is closed. The judge, who was appointed by
a Democrat governor, came back reversed the ruling. They said, hey,
we understand this jury conviction was unanimous, and you think
(11:39):
this guy's guilty and with a beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm reversing that decision. And now that's going into appeals
right now. So even in the one state case we
can find, they're actually reversing rulings on Somali medicaid fraud.
It's an absolutely insane but at the end of the day, yeah,
like there's just absolutely no oversight. And even when there
(11:59):
is a state broadcase so that's not pushed by the Feds,
we're overturning convictions right now on Somali fraud. It's absolutely
insane and you have to believe just everyone is in
on it at this point.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Now a lot of these parents, i mean, recruiters are
paying you know, one hundred to three hundred dollars per
child per month to some of these parents to put
their children's names on fake rosters. You know, so a
lot of families in the community we're going along with
this knowingly.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, yeah, and that there is definitely cases of that
where you know, there's maybe community members, but honestly, a
lot of it is fake names and data births and everything.
Like when we're looking at feeing our future. There's a
case up in the I believe Bimidgie more Heady. It's
northern Minnesota. They actually had a case where someone was
you know, doing millions of dollars in fraud. I think
(12:50):
it was a little under two million dollars. But they
claim to have been feeding more people per week than
there was the population of the community, more than double
the population of the community on a weekly basis, that's
what they were claiming. And by the way, this was
like kids they were feeding quote unquote, so we're only
(13:11):
counting the kids in this instance of what we're actually
feeding with feeding our future for this case. But like
it's just so clearly overblown and yeah, and that's where
I was on that last point of walls. Actually, there's
an investigation that they did suspect fraud and they could
have done this, that they could have went in and
subpoenaed the bank records as well. They actually found that
(13:33):
they refused to subpoena the bank records, and then they
made this giant complain of well, we can't actually do that,
but it was later proved in that investigation they could
have and yeah, it just appears that this is a
giant racketeering campaign, whether it's intentional or not. Because also
the larger point of this is, yeah, Smali fraudsters. There's
only like one hundred thousand of them in this state.
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It's small population, but they're committing over half of the fraud.
It's absolutely insane. But these fraudsters that are actually donating
to the Democrat candidates within these campaigns that are running
statewide and for state legislative offices. So it's essentially whether
it's intentional or not operating as a racketeering campaign of
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money launtering government dollars to Democrat campaigns which are becoming
the judges and the state officials that are ultimately going
to go ahead and prosecute this crime. And we have
to wonder why is it only federal authorities that are
actually coming through and prosecuting the crime. Maybe Democrats are
in on this. I mean you have to believe that
at some.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
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Speaker 2 (14:47):
I mean, is Wall's corrupt?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I mean I would say so, Now can we prove
it like in a court. You know, that's a completely
different water line on what we would have to actually prove.
But I mean where there's smoke, Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I mean, there's just too much here. And like people
made the complaints, Well, fraud's so much worse than California. Look,
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we have tens of billions of dollars in fraud. It's like, yeah, sure,
but if you just take like La and San Francisco,
you have more people in two cities than the entire
state of Minnesota. I mean, the amount of fraud for
how little of a population we have, it's absolutely unprecedented.
I mean, we're by far the worst in the country.
(15:32):
It's not even close. And yeah, when you have trifected
Democrat control holding levers of power for every single facet
of the government, with the exception of just recently we tied,
and I just we tied the state House. Because of that,
we got the Fraud Prevention Committee that's run by Republicans.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
We were able to get that in a broker deal.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Literally, the only thing operating in this state is just
simply putting a magnifying glass on the fraud. And it's
just blowing up right now, just simply for oversight on fraud.
Imagine if Republicans had a single body, let alone just
a majority on a single committee. I mean, it's unprecedented.
(16:17):
And you had just had to believe that Democrats are
in on this fraud, because otherwise it would be blowing up.
But it simply isn't because they have total control other
than this one committee that's putting a magnifying glass. And
because that magnifying glass is there, we're all talking about
it on the national level. Otherwise, if we didn't, nobody
would frankly know that this is even happening right now.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's bizarre, but that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And I think there's been you know, something like seventy
five plus defendants and the Feeding our Future scheme alone
that have now been charged by the Department of Justice
sort of you know, collectively.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But to your point, I mean, this is part.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Of like broader you know, fraud that we're saying with
the small community and in you know, the Minnesota area.
I mean, we learned back in September about Operation Twin Shield.
It was this ten days ser site visits and interviews
across Minneapolis Saint Paul area looking at over one thousand
high risk immigration cases and they found fraud, non compliance
(17:17):
or public safety concerns and about forty four percent of those.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Reviewed.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
It led to you know, forty two ICE referrals, also
arrests as well. I mean, so, I guess what does
that tell us about the Somali community in the Minneapolis area.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
You know, it's not good, you know, And I people,
if you just touch the subject, you're you're immediately labeled
a racist. And honestly, I'm just sick of the bullshit.
So I'm just going to cut through it that, Yes,
this this is a Somali problem. Like when you take
individuals who have just been in civil war their entire lives,
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and that's just.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Like the culture that you grow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Up in, and then you import that in mass to
a single area and I'm talking like maybe three cities
and you just PLoP them in these three cities, in
particular Minneapolis, which is I'll push now to like some
suburban areas in Sane Cloud. I'm just based on my
other TWN Wilmer is kind of the third one, lesser known,
(18:22):
smaller population, but you just put them in groups and
then you're forced to not assimilate to a new culture.
I mean, there are city blocks and I've talked with
a couple of different bloggers since this is blown up,
they've come to Minneapolis and actually they're shooting documentaries right now.
I've got one friend who's going to have a documentary
coming out, and they actually had a Smali gangster run
(18:44):
at them with a gun. That's you're probably gonna see
that on a documentary coming up here soon. Because these
white people went in to a community where you frankly
can't go city blocks without a translator in some of
these areas. And when you're the only white person people,
especially with all this fraud kind of coming down, they're like, well,
you're not here for the right reasons. You're here to
(19:04):
expose all this fraud that's happening. You know you're gonna
come with some pushback against you when you go into
those communities right now, and you know, it was dangerous.
They actually left early halfway through the documentary. They got
plenty of content, apparently because they were happy with it,
but they ended up leaving earlier than they anticipated originally
because it was quickly spreading like, hey, these guys are
(19:26):
going around with a camera and they're not welcome here.
You know, it started to get dangerous after a while
for these guys. So when you're just forced to not assimilate,
you're just simply not going to adjust to the new
culture of where you're being dropped off at. And it's
become a problem now where yeah, where we have this
toxic empathy and if you just kind of take this
(19:48):
culture of I mean just quite frankly anarchy, because that's
where Somalia was when they came here.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
They were in the middle of civil war.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Under a communist socialist dictatorship under Seat bar with these
clan wars on top of that, and we've honestly just
brought that back here. The funny thing I have mentioned
to some other podcasters here too and personalities is the
clan wars involved in this. People have asked like, well,
why aren't Samolians speaking up. The funny part is that
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a lot of the whistle blowers are actually Somalian. It's
actually Smolians coming forward and saying, hey, we want to
get rid of these bad apples. The problem is they
can't actually even come out publicly and say it's them
being the whistleblowers on this fraud because they might be
a part of a clan that's connected to a member
of the community that's committing the fraud and it would
(20:41):
make their clan look bad and because of that, their
family will disown them and they so they can't actually
speak up publicly on this. They have to do it
through a whistle blower status. So it's just layer after
layer with this fraud stuff. And that is ultimately, at
the end of the day, why it has gone on
so long, because you also have all of these other
(21:01):
layers involved with the Somali fraud and that's where it's
gotten us today.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
You know, from your experiences to what extent.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Do the people in the Smali community in the Minneapolis area,
do they assimilate at all or what have you seen?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Much less though in Minneapolis there's no question about that.
I mean in sant Claude and Wilmer. I think it's
much more so like you are a similarity more and
some people in Sant Claude might disagree with me on that,
but they haven't been to Cedar Riverside in Minneapolis. It's
a very different area there where, in particular, there's a
couple of city blocks where you're just not assimilating, just
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like these are the areas where the mosques are and
you're just strictly speaking Arabic of some type or Somali
of some type, and you're not communicating with the outside world.
You just kind of keep to yourself. And if someone
comes at you with a camera and asks you, hey,
let's talk about this, you'll have women tell the interviewers like, Nope,
you're a man, I can't speak to you. Like there's
(22:03):
that level of not the ability to assimilate. Now, does
that mean it's everybody.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I know plenty of people that have taken off her
jobs that they've moved out of the area and they're
working members of society and they do great work. They're
real entrepreneurs, not froudsters. Like there's very good people Like
I'm not trying to lump them all in here, but
there is a faction that refuses to assimilate, and those
(22:30):
individuals are definitely a part of the problem when it
comes to this, because it's adding to these layers of
we can't unveil the fraud because there's no ability to
actually assimilate with this culture. And ultimately it adds to
these layers of how the fraud can stay hidden for
so long.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well, so you think people, you know, generally find it
wrong for us to be gracious enough to allow people
enter our country and then they steal from us as
evidence by this fraud scheme, or you know, they engage
in immigration fraud either, you know, either way, they're taking
advantage of the kindness of the American people.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
You know, I know President Trump is you know, cracking down.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He is announced with the the TPS and blanking on
the what it stands.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
For TPAH the temporary protective Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yes, yes, said yeah, sorry, I had it written down,
that didn't have in front of me. So what do
you make of that and sort of what impact do
you think that might have?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, and so I mean temporary protective status. It's a
very small popular I mean, we're talking about four hundred
Somalis maybe in the minnieapp in the Minnesota area. There's
you know, another couple hundred there across the nation that
are under that status. It's a very small amount. But granted,
the argument I have for this on why that should
be removed is simply temporary protective status. The word temporary
(23:53):
that has been in place for thirty There's nothing temporary
of that being around my entire lifetime. I think there's
like a month difference between it being established in my birthday.
There's nothing temporary about that. I mean, you have to
remove that. And people also have to ask, like, Okay,
if it's still so bad there in Samalia thirty four
years later, you're like, how is this culture supposed to
(24:15):
assimilate to us. I Mean the answer very clearly is
we can't accept more refugees from there, because we're only
going to keep adding to this pile. Because you will
have like, yeah, second and third generation famalies that are assimilating.
They're going to school, they're learning English, they're getting real
jobs out there. You know, good good individuals in the community,
(24:36):
and quite frankly, some of them even converting to Christianity.
They're like, you have that in some cases, but when
you keep bringing people over from Samall, you're kind of
restarting this clock again. And this is a problem like Italians,
you know, like came over to New York so many
years ago, like you had the mob and all these
other things, and they even had issues assimilating. But now
(24:57):
you're just like resetting the clock every time time you
bring over new some allise that refuse to assimilate, and
so you're just inlonging the problem as we refuse to assimilate.
So it's a big issue there. But TPS, you know,
it's more of a retalitary thing in my opinion, which
honestly fine, like it's temporary stats. We have to remove
(25:20):
this at some point. We have to eventually remove ourselves
from it. But at the end of the day, Alisa,
the big thing the Trump administration has to hit on
and they are, by the way, like I have some
individuals from the administration who are you know, letting me
know some of this info, Like they're going to start
cracking down much heavier on the small community here in
Minnesota because of this fraud. They feel like we're being fleeced,
(25:44):
and rightfully so we are. And a lot of these
assets even that have been stolen at this point, like
we can't get them, Like they ship the money off
already in many cases, so like yeah, you put a
ten million dollar judgment against someone, Well they already they
already the money overseas. It's already over in El Shabab.
It's already been funding things. They've already bought mansions in Kenya.
(26:06):
We can't get that back, you know. So there's major
problems here and ultimately, like we have to send a
message at some point that this has to stop. And
that's what the Trump administration is doing and the way
we can do that. First two steps denaturalization, what are
our pasts. They're currently in our toolbox. Denaturalization pretty much
(26:29):
confalled to two categories right now. One, you have a
terrorist association. There's probably some out there. I think we
should crack down on those. If we have terroists in
our country that are sympathetic to that, or they're sending
money directly to El Schabab, they got to get out
of here, send them back. Number Two, you committed immigration fraud,
(26:50):
You lied on your paperwork, different things like that. There's
a kind of a famous one out there that people
might be familiar with. A lot of them are married
your brother. I'm just saying, what a great message, A
strong message that would be like, hey, we don't care
the level of power you have a member of Congress,
(27:12):
if you committed an immigration fraud, you're going home. And
I think they should make that decision. And I think
they should fall through that because we know she married
her brother. We know this for a fact. The one
problem I think, well, there's two problems won the political
part of it and the kickback that you'll get for
de Porti nilan omar the two statute limitations. But she
(27:34):
has carefully committed perjury in multiple cases. That can kind
of revert that back and brand forward. But if you
committed an immigration fraud, you should also have to go
back home. And then the third point, we have to
go back to Congress and ultimately add some new ways
we can denaturalize individuals. And you know, a great one
would be, hey, you've committed millions of dollars in fraud,
(27:57):
or you are a violent crito. If you're within a
certain statute of limitations and you do these crimes, you
should also have to go back. So we should create
new ways to find denaturalization processes. Because if you're refusing
to assimilate, and you're a violent criminal, and you're committing
fraud and you're doing all of these things, you should
have to go back. And we shouldn't have to have
(28:19):
the good Somalis that are here, because there are good
ones there, really are. They shouldn't have to be punished
because of your bad behavior. So let's stop really saying
the clock. Let's find new ways to do to a
path of denaturalization and find a way for these good
Samalies to actually have a life in Minnesota and have
a life in the United States who are proud to
(28:40):
be Americans.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Well, you know, I mean, there's a lot of good people. Ever,
we just can't take everyone in.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I was gonna say, I wonder how frequently President Trump
thinks about uh elon Oma.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I could tell you fairly often. There's some good friends
within the Republican Congressional delegation here in Minnesota, and they
tech Trump frequently, and he definitely has a magnifying glass
on Minnesota right now, and yeah, he's going to crack
down hard on it coming up here. Steven Miller is
also very passionate about this, and Minnesota's I think We're
(29:13):
just very happy that the attention is finally being brought forward,
and you know, we can fix some of these issues
that are very clear and glaring right now.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, we'll stay on top of it.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Dustin Graige, appreciate you for making the time to come
on the show.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Awesome, guys, that was Dustin Grage.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I also want to think John Cassio, my producer, were
putting the show together until next time.
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