In this episode, Jonathan T. Gilliam examines two shocking violent incidents—the Brown University shooting and the Bondi Beach terror attack—and what they reveal about the current state of national security and public safety. Lisa and Jonathan discuss the role of law enforcement, the challenges of preventing ideologically driven violence, and how criminal acts intersect with political and social movements.
The episode also explores the importance of public cooperation in investigations, gaps in security measures, and broader concerns surrounding migration, crime, and societal safety.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're going to be talking to Jonathan Gilliam. He's a
former Navy seal and FBI agent. He's been on the
show before, but he has a deep expertise in active shooters,
security failures, manhunts, and terrorism, all these different things that
unfortunately we're seeing around the country right now, from the
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National Guard shooting, a terror attack that left a National
Guard member murdered, to the Brown University mass shooting and
the killer still on the run, to what we saw
in on bond A Beach in Australia as well. So
we're going to ask him a lot of questions about
all this stuff, like why haven't they been able to
catch the Brown University killer? Is it suspicious about what
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the killer allegedly said? What do we know about that?
Why aren't they telling us more about that? Also, with
hundreds of cameras, how do we not have better images
of this individual?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Does it seem like an expert. I'm going to ask
Jonathan all those questions.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We're also going to talk about the ice is inspired
bond A Beach terror attack, is terrorism on the run,
both here in the United States as well as elsewhere
in the world. So all these questions and more, I've
got a lot stay tuned for. Jonathan Gilliam. Well, Jonathan,
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it's great to have you back on the show. Unfortunately,
like every time you come on, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Because something bad to get destruction.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I know, I wish we could talk about lighter things,
but unfortunately, you know, you've got a background protecting our country,
so you're the guy to go to for some of
these things, so or most of these things.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But sorry to have you on when it's always really
depressing news.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well it's you know, it is what it is, and
that's a part of this world. And the more I
look at it, the more information we give people, the
better off they'll be. And that's a good thing. So
that's the positive spin of it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, I think so too, And you know, you know,
I think most Americans and you know people are really
around the world. Right now, we've just seen a lot
of things, right you know, you've got the National Guard
shooting that you know, calling a terror attack, killing at
least one National Guard member. Fortunately the second Andrew Wolf
looks like he's going to be Okay, thank god. And
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then we have this bond A Beach BONDI Beach terror attack.
And then we have Brown University, which we're still figuring
out what the heck happened, but let's start with Brown
for now. The shooters still at large and it's been days. Now,
how is that possible.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, it's all it's possible because if the individual got away.
Let's just say that that all the cameras were in
place and that they had a key code, and the
individual was able to sneak into the.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Building or walk in the building.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, it would be possible because the individual was
able to get away and he had a mask on
and so in order to verify who it was, if
it was an anonymous person, yeah, that would be possible.
But let's look at the reality of this situation. It's
appearing more and more that the university was as rich
as they are, like billions of dollars in endowments, that
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their camera systems are horrible. It appears that somehow this
individual is able to walk into a building in a
way that was not recording who was coming into the building.
And then it appears that the police force there, the
police force and providence that from the things that I'm seeing,
they don't know how to properly start an investigation for
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a subject of a crime that just happened where they
walked in and then walked out. And then when you
add to that the incompetence of the mayor the president
of the university, it's pretty bad when you add all
those things together, and that's how the individuals able to
walk away. The information they've released to the public is horrible.
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They it's spotty and comes out in bits and pieces
at best, and there's no focus that I can see
on utilization of the citizenry to actually utilize them to
try to find out who this individual must be. And
that's a bad thing when it comes to the fact
that I mean, from an investigative standpoint of what I'm seeing,
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this guy had to have knowledge of that particular place
unless he's just a random guy walking around with a
gun that walked in somewhere and shot some people. But
that doesn't appear to be his behavior. I'm still not
even sure if it's a he based on the walking
and the look, but it most likely is a guy.
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But they just have not shared the university and the
police and in their briefings, which is a whole nother
side note on how bad this nation needs law enforcement
and municipalities to understand that briefings need to be standard
and we need particular information to be given to the public.
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And that's it. And stop making this a political a
political grandstanding brief and stop making it in the case
of Brown, where they're trying to avoid any type of
blame on the university, that seemed to be their main
goal in this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You know, we haven't estimated anywhere from eight hundred to
twelve hundred cameras on Brown University's campus. So you know,
I think a lot of people are asking themselves, how
do we not have better images? I mean, even though
I know I've heard the rationale for the building itself,
but you would also think surrounding the building, does that
strike you as odd or does that seem plausible? Or
what do you kind of make of you know, their
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excuses or what they're telling us about that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I was a part of investigation in New York
after it happened. I inherited the investigation, and it was
the Times Square bombing in two thousand and eight, where
an individual wrote up on a bicycle after riding all
over Manhattan. There's a video of this guy riding all
over Manhattan and then he rides into Times Square at
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three in the morning, puts a pie bomb down and
blows up the front of the recruiting center in Times Square.
And most people don't even know about that bombing or
they've forgotten about it, and we've never and then he
got on his bicycle and rode away, and then we
believe got on the subway on the east side. That
individual has never been identified. And we have more cameras
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than boxes of cameras of camera footage. So just because
there's cameras doesn't mean that the clarity you need is
going to be there. And most of the time that's
because the cameras are not that high speed, and at
the same time, they're not placed in the particular places
that they should be in order to capture what we
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need him to capture. I think ring cameras as you
see are playing a huge part of this, or secure
home security cameras. So that's possible because they.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Don't take the point of having all these cameras exactly
Like it's like, why even spend the money if they're
this worthless and pointless.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, that's in the security business, you know. And I
have a company that we do uh well, one we
do crisis management. One of the things we do is
entertainment security.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
My company's been on tour with a major entertainment tour
for three years and before that, I was with other
people as well, and we ask that question all the time.
We do threat assessments and venues every day, big arenas,
and it is it's pretty shocking when you see how
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little attention they actually give to security. It's smoke and
mirrors most of the time. And law enforcement is the
worst at that and cities are are the worst. So
that's the question we should all be asking why I
put up cameras if they're not going to be able
to capture the images that we need. So, but there
are important images that were captured. And that's where I
believe that this whole entire investigation, how it's using the
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public is not being used properly, and because they're trying
to play investigator and they're trying to keep from taking
the blame. And so for instance, I'll tell you real quick,
is that that individual that they have video of at
one point he has a sling bag on At another
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point in the same video, there's no sling bag. I
find that very odd. Where's that sleen bag? Perhaps that's
what they were looking for when the FBI was walking
around kicking up snow, which I found. Again, the visuals
of that search were terrible. So that's a question I
have that could lead to something. They could find that bag.
They could ask the public, have you seen this random
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sling bag sitting around the way the individual is standing?
When they he stood, the person stood and was looking around,
was standing with their arms behind their back. I mean,
I don't personally know, but maybe one person that stands
like that when they're looking at something. I mean, do
you know anybody that stands like that? Yeah, So that's
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a very unique trait and one that people notice if
they know somebody, What was that individual looking at? Where
they looking at that building? Because they arrived at a
building on a Saturday on a university that is considered
off hours. In an engineering building, I mean, we're not
talking about the food court or a special event football game.
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We're talking about a building that most likely did not
have a lot of people in there. So you either
that individual either had to know somebody in there or
was employed by that place, But absolutely one hundred percent
had their reason for waiting and then showing up when
those specific people were in that room because he went
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in there. That individual went in there, targeted those people,
and then left and really targeted. It appears to people
other people were shot. Those may have not been. Those
may have just been shootings as the individuals leaving or
as they came in, but definitely targeted two people in particular.
So what's the group, what's the class? Was it a
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special group that was meeting there? And why have they
told us that? Who were the two people that got killed?
Now know we know their names, but who are they
and who do they have associations with?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Have they had a run in with anybody?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
These are questions that should be part of these briefs
to get the public thinking and the people that may
know them thinking so they can say this is particulars.
I've seen reels were people saying that the teacher was
a Jewish and that the individual was heard saying al akbar,
But we've heard no official reports on that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is there a reason behind that?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean, like we live in the age where leftists
would almost rather get killed than actually cracked down on crime.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know, like it's like that insane.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So like, is the reason why we're not getting more
information at a Brown University and some of these local
officials because they're intentionally not disclosing information that would make
this appear to be a terror attack? If that's what
it is, Like, I don't know, is there a reworld
where this is.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
A cover up?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What's interesting is Lisa, you know, I would say fifteen
years ago, you probably wouldn't have asked that question, well.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, we're crazy now or not?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But they it is that is that radical that they
would I mean, look what they're doing with where the
president is President Trump and Pete Hexat. They are targeting
these drug boats that are bringing fitnel into this country
and killing tens of thousands of people, and the leftists
are trying to act like that's inhumane for some strange reason.
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You know, the border, the way they treated the border,
just bringing in all kinds of people who and bad
people who just want to reside off of subsistence. They
did were they weren't coming here for the American dream,
They're coming here for the American handout now they they
support that and back that as though anybody that says,
who whoa, whoa, If you're coming here to this country,
you need to come here for a purpose, They act
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like that is the voice of Satan saying that. So
I look at this Brown University issue, and I just
I look at the people that are up there giving
these briefs, and it is it's shocking how incompetent. And
you can tell leftists you come out. It's the guy
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the very first brief, the mayor is chewing gum the
entire brief. I find that very strange. And he sat
in his apartment or his house, which is right there
by the university, while these sirens were going off until
he got a call me. He didn't make a phone call.
I mean, that's the that's the level of people that
the president of the university as of yesterday said that
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she didn't know what was going on in that classroom.
I mean, so, yes, this is the level of these people.
They're incompetence. But also I could see and it's a
real possibility that they are not releasing these things to
the public because they don't want to make this into
a racial or an Islamic thing. If that's the case,
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even if that could catch the killer, even if it
could catch a killer, because they're not verifying it, and
they're they're not verifying what he said. They're not announcing that.
And if I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I want to keep interrupting it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But if he didn't say those things, is that something
that they would Is that something that they would want
to correct the record or would they typically just leave
it alone.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It seems like there might be some clarity given to
us if that's not accurate, or what do you think
about that?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Even if they said we believe that's what he said,
that that students have reported that that's what was being yelled.
So we are going to put part of our focus
on the fact that this individual could head have have
had a terrorist motive that was based in Islamic radicalization
or fundamentalization. They could say that if that's what people heard,
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perhaps the Islamic community would say, I think I know
somebody fits that profile, but they haven't done that. So
we are justified in asking the question why if they
aren't doing these things. So it is there is a
lot of evidence that is there regardless of the cameras
that is not being clarified and shared with the public,
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when the public in this case could most likely be
the biggest force multiplier for these these investigators.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
How they caught Mangioni because you know, we had great
or not great images, but he had you know, the
eyebrows and things that, you know, more sort of striking features.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That stood out.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And then I think he was at a McDonald's or
you know, was it McDonald's or he was.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
At believe it was McDonald's yet yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Then people are like, hey, look looks like the guy
because they got the public involved. You know, now that
the FBI is involved in this case, like do you
feel better about that? Or you know, kind of like
what's the state of the FBI today and the FBI's
ability to catch a killer like this.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's a great question, and I think people will think
I'm being a little negative here, but I wish Cash
Betail would shut his mouth and stay off him and
Dan Bogina both would stay off of X and out
of the media while investigation is happening. Because it's hard
to tell the competence of the FBI when when their
director is coming out and saying and making statements saying,
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you know, we've we've got a person of interest locked
up and making it sound like, oh, here's how we
did it.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We geolocated.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, apparently your geolocation or whatever you use was wrong
because that person got let go. So that's the first thing.
Perception is reality when it comes to the FBI stepping
in on something. The second thing is, I have real
caution when it comes to the investigative expertise of the
FBI as a whole, based on the people that have
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been hired over the past twenty years, in large part
because of Affirmative Action and then DEI and a lot
of these people they weren't just hired because they're a
female or because they're of a different race, but they
were hired because they have ideologies that are in.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Line with the Left.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And so as we saw in Pennsylvania with the threat assessment,
which is an investigation, a threat assessment is actually an
investigation to figure out.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Who, why, when, where and how somebody would attack.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And so that investigation was completely failed in Butler and
in Florida by the Secret Service in Florida. But then
the follow on investigations after the two attempted assassinations were
riddled with leftist directors verbiage. And that's two directors, one
that was the acting or was the director, and then
the next one that was So this was of the
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Secret Service. I'm confusing two different agencies, but it's the
same with the FBI. The special agent in charge in
the FBI that was helping investigate that Florida case was
eventually let go because he was so anti Trump. So
in Pennsylvania you had the same type of leftists running
the FBI there. So this whole point is I'm trying
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to make is that I don't know who's doing the
investigating up there, and if they align ideology ideologically with
those leftists that are running Providence and that university, and
so if it's like everything else the left does, they
throw investigators out there and they just ho hum through
whatever they're doing because they think that being in a
position of authority is enough to prove that they are great.
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And so I think the FBI has failed under cash
Betail to clean that out properly, and they've made a
lot of big moves getting rid of people allowing FBA
agents to do their job. But I think I still
don't trust that rank and file in the FBI. So
we'll see if they If they come out there and
they solve this, then that's great. But if they don't,
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then I'd be more likely to chalk that up to
the fact that they still have not cleaned out these
leftists in the in the FBI.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Jonathan
on the other side, Given what you know, the limited
information we have about the shooter and his or her actions,
does this appear to be someone who knows what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Like obviously, unfortunately, we've seen a lot of mass shootings
in the country, a lot of school shootings in the country.
I guess, how do these actions sort of compare with
shooters in the past, Like how much of an expert
does this person seem to be?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, you know, it's interesting because killing in a in
an environment that is a soft environment, does not take
an expert. You don't have to get a PhD in killing.
I mean that killing is very similar to getting pregnant
and having a baby. If you want to do it,
you have the human ability to do it. It's just
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whether do you want to do it or not. In
the case of you know, getting pregnant, you have to
have two people. Well, in the case of murder, you
have to have two people, the one that's going to
get murdered and one that's going to do the murdering.
And you can do it with a fork, you can
do it with a knife, or you can do it
with a gun. And in the case of this individual,
where there's absolutely zero security that we could see that
would stop the individual from getting in there, and somebody
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that is dead set on going into that particular building
at that particular time, it is not difficult to walk
in and pull out a gun or a knife or
a fork in a room where people are not.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Expecting it and then kill them.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And so I think when we look at this to
say is the guy is the person an expert or
are they not? Or you know, I don't think it's
really comes down to their expertise. It comes down to
their intent and their will. And I think in this case,
that individual was intending to kill and murder somebody or
a few people in that particular place at that particular time.
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So I don't think they need to go out and
start looking for a hitman, but they definitely need to
be looking for who knows those people and who would
be motivated to get in there. I just, Lisa, I
cannot believe that at this point in time, with the
information that they have available and the people they have
available to interview, that they wouldn't be able to figure
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out a circle of people that they could start targeting
for investigation to find out who it is.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You know, there's a lot of theories going on online,
but we won't get to those since they're not you know,
but it seems like they're sluice online that might be
more closer to things than maybe the FBI is to be.
I I want to turn to the Bondai Beach terror
attack killing you know, fifteen people or at least fifteen
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people that we know of now father son duo is
is inspired attack.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
How many of these are we going to see? I
just I just worry.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I mean, it's just common sense, right like Biden for
four years let in millions of people. We had a
record number on the terror watch list trying to get
into the country, probably had a record number of terrorists
who did get into the country. And then on top
of people who might be susceptible to that narrative or
you know, easily convinced right who have animosity towards us
the West, and this is happening in you know, throughout
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Europe and countries around the world as well. So I mean,
are we sort of in like, are we going to
look at like another age of terror again?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think we're going to see what we've seen this
killing in particular and not necessarily terrorism. Member terrorism is
the use of of force, violence and intimidation for a
political aim. That's basically the definition of it. And you
could say political ideology, but it's usually for a change
of government or governance. And we've seen, but we have
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seen killing all over the world due to the forced
migration of Muslims from third world countries all over the world.
It's not like it's just exactly the same way that
they left did with our southern border where they literally
and nobody has ever done an investigation of this. And
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it drives me crazy of the groups that were paying
for these people to be on buses or get plane
tickets to fly to this country. It's the same thing
with the forced migration of Muslims out of third world
countries in the Middle East, all over the world. They
weren't you know, they were probably refugees trying to get
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away from war, but they didn't have the money or
the ability to leave those areas on their own. They
were paid for and I would say primarily by leftist organizations,
whether they were in goos or governments, directly for the
purpose of spreading these people all over the world, people
who don't assimilate, people who may not be radicalized but
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have the foundation to be radicalized. And when you put
them in a country that is a westernized country, a
country that is or countries that are modern, people would
think that are from these modern countries that you're going
to put somebod over here, They're going to live a
modern life, they're going to be happy. But when you
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take somebody out of a third world country that's been
raised in a different moral and ethical manner and then
you put them in a westernized or modern world, what
they're going to feel most likely because they didn't show
up there saying I want the Great American dream. They
showed up there because they were fleeing from war. But
they didn't flee from the Middle East because they hate
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their life. They fled from there because they were in
the middle of war. And so when you bring them
into another modern country, it's not a happy place for them.
They may be able to drink the water, but when
people don't react and act the way that their culture
says that they should, then they're going to act out.
And that's why you're seeing rapes all over the world, murders,
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and I believe what we're seeing now is an increasing
movement of jihad and terrorism because once those people get
into a modern country, they are ripe for the picking
to be radicalized. And that is despite the amount of
people that have been pushed all over this world, the
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people who are going around and radicalizing or recruiting them
to fundamentalism that has not been forced. That is the
way that groups like Iran hamas isis al Qaeda, they
purposely put the recruiters all over the world so they
can then go in and preach hate and radicalized these people.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I mean, we're.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Committing suicide by allowing all these people into our country.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Sure, I mean yes.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
And again I brought up the southern border last year,
well actually this year, but this is a perfect thing.
This year I was in Mexico with a tour and
we were down there for a month. The year before that,
and the year before that, I was in Mexico before
Trump was back in office, and we were there for
a month. Both of those times and the previous two years,
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at three in the morning, the whole tour would go
to an airport and it would be like rush hour
in Manhattan. The airports at obscure small airports in Mexico
were packed to the brim, and most of those people
were coming to the United States. And I don't think
people realize how many people came over the border legally,
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not illegally.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
They came over illegally.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Because they went and signed that got on that app
and got the ability to get here or in other
cases to get closer to the border where they just
walked over, in which.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Case fifty one and I talk got yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So this year when we went to Mexico, the same
airport's same time, nobody was there. It was a typical
empty Mexican airport. So when you think about that and
you think about people, those people cannot afford they were
showing up. The people I saw on the airport, they
didn't have luggage, they were dirty, and they had plane
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tickets that cost you know, hundreds, if not thousands of
dollars to fly into the United States.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
So the fact that that.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Stuff was was not only allowed to happen, but was
paid for by groups or people leftists to make this happen.
Al Qaeda isis Iran would take advantage of the same
exact thing to put recruiters all over the world because
they knew that their people were coming in.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's like we're letting people into our house who we
know want to destroy it. Common sons like you wouldn't
invite someone into your home if you know knowing that
they're going to come in and start like, you know,
throwing your glasses against the wall and like kicking your
table over, and you know, like taking a sledgehammer to
your house.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
But yet that's essentially what we're doing to America.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Well, these people, as we were talking about earlier at
Brown University, they think differently. Culture is everything. As I
go around the world, the one thing I've noticed is
that culture can kill a community or a country or
a nation, or it can make it great. And I
would say that the leftist culture has kind a foothold
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almost everywhere I've gone on the other side, conservative or
not even conservative, but people morals and ethics and people
who are loving and kind has has really.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Become more of the my.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And in large part because of social media, that people
who want good things to happen and work hard, they
come home and get on social media and they grumble
and that's all they do. They don't even they don't
even go to the voting poles anymore, hardly at all,
you know. So they come out for president in this country,
but the midterms, conservatives are the people who are not
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Liberals refuse to go to the polls and vote. So
as I'm going around the world, this leftist culture was
first secreted into and now it's just is really the
majority almost everywhere I go and wherever they are, that
is where this attitude and this weird thought process of
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global community. And by global community, they just mean anybody
can go anywhere they want. It's not like they're loving
and say, you know, the whole thing about migration that
with the left, it's not about love. It's about letting
people go wherever they want and thinking that the cultures
that they don't like are the bad ones. And strangely enough,
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typically as you see, the cultures they hate are the
freest cultures with morals and essays. So it's you know,
all I can chalk it up to is it's the
same lie that happened in the garden of Eden, and
it's happening right now, and the human beings are doing
the same gullible thing in believing the lie.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Quick break.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If you like what you're hearing, please shore on social
media or send it to your family and friends.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So I guess what do we do?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, how hard is it for like the FB,
when you have that many legal aliens in the country
and then you have that many people are are you
living here susceptible to radicalization?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Like how do you stop tax?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well, I don't know if you're going to be able
to stop attacks. This is another good point about these
stupid briefs that are happening at Brown University is that
the mayor came out and said made the point of
saying that there's no known threat. Okay, that is the
dumbest thing that hear law enforcement say on a regular basis.
There's no known threat. There was no known threat on
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nine ten, two thousand and one. There's no known threat.
The day before that individual walked into Brown University and
shot to two people to death and wounded eight others.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You're not going to be able to stop attacks just
by going off of whether they're no the threat is known,
or it's not. So I think if we want to
make this nation safer, let's take the drug epidemic for instance,
maybe you might want to go out and really start
cracking down on drug dealers and then promoting, like they
did in the eighties, young people not to use drugs
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and really making the penalties stiff enough where people just
won't do it, instead of legalizing it or legalizing a
lot of it and then giving people who are capitalists
the ability to go in and manufacture clean drugs for people.
I mean, it's got to be one of the other,
because right now we have a violence and a drug problem.
So if you and I'm not saying I'm all about
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legal as of drugs, but doing nothing is where we
are right now. And it's the same thing when it
comes to terrorism and violence, especially leftists and Islamic violence,
which if you don't know anything about the Red Green Alliance,
you should look that up because Islam and Marxism or
communism have worked hand in hand for many many A
long time. I mean we're talking one hundred years or more,
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and so wherever you see one, you're you're probably going
to see the other.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Sagan what aligns them so much ideologically.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Because they're both they're both dependent on control, and so
they work naturally together. I think that I think I
don't really know exactly. It's hard to tell what goes
on in the minds of I know why the Islamic
function of faction would function with them is because they
see the Left is like another criminal element that would
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be able to that can assist them because they're in power.
And that's that's always been the case. You've always seen
throughout history the progressives, and that's really that's the reality
of who the left actually is is the bulk of
the left are progressive. And I'm trying to be short
winded on this because I know we don't go too long,
but it's a very fascinating subject when you look at it.
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But what it does is when we look at Islam
and we look at the left and the Red Green Alliance,
what we see is that there are the pathways are
opened for these people to get in and manipulate social
cultures and so that is how this is spreading so
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fast and the foothold that it has is being able
to progress so.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Quickly before we go.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Do you think they'll catch the Brown killer.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I think that eventually that person is going to be known.
I think that somebody is going to realize that. I
don't know if the person will go around and say, hey,
I did that, perhaps they will, but I think they'll
they'll eventually be caught because they have to have known
people that were there.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
There's a reason why they.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Chose that particular place, and if it comes out that
it was ideological, then I think that will probably eventually
come out because they will want people to know that
they that was done in the name of this. If
it was personal, I think that that relationship will eventually
come out. So I think that's probably where they're going
to eventually find them. If it's not for CAM, if
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they don't come up with some technology or some DNA
that they found somewhere, then I think it's going to
be through a relationship or an ideology that that basically
makes this person known.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Donathan appreciate your time, thanks for breaking this all down,
and we pray that they catch the killer.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That we learn more about him or her.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Got listen. I apologize I'm long winded, but as I always.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Say, but oh, this is a place to do it
because you don't have commrcial breaks.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, and it's it's it's not a What we're talking
about is it's not rocket science, whether it's the tack
itself or all these things that are going on like
in Bondi Beach, which we you know, I really didn't
even get into that. But the reality is with with
all of these things and the spread of these terrorist attacks,
a lot of it has to do with this Red
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Green alliance and Islam riding the coattails of the leftists.
And now we see in this nation leftists like we
saw the attack foild in California by leftists that call
themselves Turtle Beach or not Turtle Beach but Turtle Island
Liberation Front. We are seeing the same type of tactics
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that have been used by Islam and by the fundamental
Muslims that are that are going out and pursuing terrorism.
We're seeing that now on the left. And it's another
example how they share tactics, techniques, and procedures verbiage. You
see the left taking up for Hamas and then you
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see both of them sharing the same verbiage and tactics
and probably training.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
And I think if the FBI gets into this and.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Starts looking beyond the responsive investigations, if the FBI starts
being proactive and starts hunting, they will find that these
Islamic attackers, the groups that they are with, and the
leftists and the groups that they are with, are most
likely working together and funded and trained by a lot of.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
The same people.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Jonathan, appreciate your time. Thanks for breaking this down for us.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
You got at least to take care and gobblin.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That was Jonathan Gilliam.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
You can listen throughout the week. I also want to
thank my producer, John Cassio for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Until next time,
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're going to be talking to Jonathan Gilliam. He's a
former Navy seal and FBI agent. He's been on the
show before, but he has a deep expertise in active shooters,
security failures, manhunts, and terrorism, all these different things that
unfortunately we're seeing around the country right now, from the
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National Guard shooting, a terror attack that left a National
Guard member murdered, to the Brown University mass shooting and
the killer still on the run, to what we saw
in on bond A Beach in Australia as well. So
we're going to ask him a lot of questions about
all this stuff, like why haven't they been able to
catch the Brown University killer? Is it suspicious about what
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the killer allegedly said? What do we know about that?
Why aren't they telling us more about that? Also, with
hundreds of cameras, how do we not have better images
of this individual?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Does it seem like an expert. I'm going to ask
Jonathan all those questions.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We're also going to talk about the ice is inspired
bond A Beach terror attack, is terrorism on the run,
both here in the United States as well as elsewhere
in the world. So all these questions and more, I've
got a lot stay tuned for. Jonathan Gilliam. Well, Jonathan,
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it's great to have you back on the show. Unfortunately,
like every time you come on, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Because something bad to get destruction.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I know, I wish we could talk about lighter things,
but unfortunately, you know, you've got a background protecting our country,
so you're the guy to go to for some of
these things, so or most of these things.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But sorry to have you on when it's always really
depressing news.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well it's you know, it is what it is, and
that's a part of this world. And the more I
look at it, the more information we give people, the
better off they'll be. And that's a good thing. So
that's the positive spin of it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, I think so too, And you know, you know,
I think most Americans and you know people are really
around the world. Right now, we've just seen a lot
of things, right you know, you've got the National Guard
shooting that you know, calling a terror attack, killing at
least one National Guard member. Fortunately the second Andrew Wolf
looks like he's going to be Okay, thank god. And
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then we have this bond A Beach BONDI Beach terror attack.
And then we have Brown University, which we're still figuring
out what the heck happened, but let's start with Brown
for now. The shooters still at large and it's been days. Now,
how is that possible.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, it's all it's possible because if the individual got away.
Let's just say that that all the cameras were in
place and that they had a key code, and the
individual was able to sneak into the.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Building or walk in the building.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, it would be possible because the individual was
able to get away and he had a mask on
and so in order to verify who it was, if
it was an anonymous person, yeah, that would be possible.
But let's look at the reality of this situation. It's
appearing more and more that the university was as rich
as they are, like billions of dollars in endowments, that
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their camera systems are horrible. It appears that somehow this
individual is able to walk into a building in a
way that was not recording who was coming into the building.
And then it appears that the police force there, the
police force and providence that from the things that I'm seeing,
they don't know how to properly start an investigation for
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a subject of a crime that just happened where they
walked in and then walked out. And then when you
add to that the incompetence of the mayor the president
of the university, it's pretty bad when you add all
those things together, and that's how the individuals able to
walk away. The information they've released to the public is horrible.
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They it's spotty and comes out in bits and pieces
at best, and there's no focus that I can see
on utilization of the citizenry to actually utilize them to
try to find out who this individual must be. And
that's a bad thing when it comes to the fact
that I mean, from an investigative standpoint of what I'm seeing,
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this guy had to have knowledge of that particular place
unless he's just a random guy walking around with a
gun that walked in somewhere and shot some people. But
that doesn't appear to be his behavior. I'm still not
even sure if it's a he based on the walking
and the look, but it most likely is a guy.
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But they just have not shared the university and the
police and in their briefings, which is a whole nother
side note on how bad this nation needs law enforcement
and municipalities to understand that briefings need to be standard
and we need particular information to be given to the public.
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And that's it. And stop making this a political a
political grandstanding brief and stop making it in the case
of Brown, where they're trying to avoid any type of
blame on the university, that seemed to be their main
goal in this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You know, we haven't estimated anywhere from eight hundred to
twelve hundred cameras on Brown University's campus. So you know,
I think a lot of people are asking themselves, how
do we not have better images? I mean, even though
I know I've heard the rationale for the building itself,
but you would also think surrounding the building, does that
strike you as odd or does that seem plausible? Or
what do you kind of make of you know, their
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excuses or what they're telling us about that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I was a part of investigation in New York
after it happened. I inherited the investigation, and it was
the Times Square bombing in two thousand and eight, where
an individual wrote up on a bicycle after riding all
over Manhattan. There's a video of this guy riding all
over Manhattan and then he rides into Times Square at
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three in the morning, puts a pie bomb down and
blows up the front of the recruiting center in Times Square.
And most people don't even know about that bombing or
they've forgotten about it, and we've never and then he
got on his bicycle and rode away, and then we
believe got on the subway on the east side. That
individual has never been identified. And we have more cameras
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than boxes of cameras of camera footage. So just because
there's cameras doesn't mean that the clarity you need is
going to be there. And most of the time that's
because the cameras are not that high speed, and at
the same time, they're not placed in the particular places
that they should be in order to capture what we
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need him to capture. I think ring cameras as you
see are playing a huge part of this, or secure
home security cameras. So that's possible because they.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Don't take the point of having all these cameras exactly
Like it's like, why even spend the money if they're
this worthless and pointless.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, that's in the security business, you know. And I
have a company that we do uh well, one we
do crisis management. One of the things we do is
entertainment security.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
My company's been on tour with a major entertainment tour
for three years and before that, I was with other
people as well, and we ask that question all the time.
We do threat assessments and venues every day, big arenas,
and it is it's pretty shocking when you see how
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little attention they actually give to security. It's smoke and
mirrors most of the time. And law enforcement is the
worst at that and cities are are the worst. So
that's the question we should all be asking why I
put up cameras if they're not going to be able
to capture the images that we need. So, but there
are important images that were captured. And that's where I
believe that this whole entire investigation, how it's using the
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public is not being used properly, and because they're trying
to play investigator and they're trying to keep from taking
the blame. And so for instance, I'll tell you real quick,
is that that individual that they have video of at
one point he has a sling bag on At another
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point in the same video, there's no sling bag. I
find that very odd. Where's that sleen bag? Perhaps that's
what they were looking for when the FBI was walking
around kicking up snow, which I found. Again, the visuals
of that search were terrible. So that's a question I
have that could lead to something. They could find that bag.
They could ask the public, have you seen this random
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sling bag sitting around the way the individual is standing?
When they he stood, the person stood and was looking around,
was standing with their arms behind their back. I mean,
I don't personally know, but maybe one person that stands
like that when they're looking at something. I mean, do
you know anybody that stands like that? Yeah, So that's
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a very unique trait and one that people notice if
they know somebody, What was that individual looking at? Where
they looking at that building? Because they arrived at a
building on a Saturday on a university that is considered
off hours. In an engineering building, I mean, we're not
talking about the food court or a special event football game.
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We're talking about a building that most likely did not
have a lot of people in there. So you either
that individual either had to know somebody in there or
was employed by that place, But absolutely one hundred percent
had their reason for waiting and then showing up when
those specific people were in that room because he went
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in there. That individual went in there, targeted those people,
and then left and really targeted. It appears to people
other people were shot. Those may have not been. Those
may have just been shootings as the individuals leaving or
as they came in, but definitely targeted two people in particular.
So what's the group, what's the class? Was it a
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special group that was meeting there? And why have they
told us that? Who were the two people that got killed?
Now know we know their names, but who are they
and who do they have associations with?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Have they had a run in with anybody?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
These are questions that should be part of these briefs
to get the public thinking and the people that may
know them thinking so they can say this is particulars.
I've seen reels were people saying that the teacher was
a Jewish and that the individual was heard saying al akbar,
But we've heard no official reports on that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is there a reason behind that?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean, like we live in the age where leftists
would almost rather get killed than actually cracked down on crime.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know, like it's like that insane.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So like, is the reason why we're not getting more
information at a Brown University and some of these local
officials because they're intentionally not disclosing information that would make
this appear to be a terror attack? If that's what
it is, Like, I don't know, is there a reworld
where this is.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
A cover up?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What's interesting is Lisa, you know, I would say fifteen
years ago, you probably wouldn't have asked that question, well.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, we're crazy now or not?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But they it is that is that radical that they
would I mean, look what they're doing with where the
president is President Trump and Pete Hexat. They are targeting
these drug boats that are bringing fitnel into this country
and killing tens of thousands of people, and the leftists
are trying to act like that's inhumane for some strange reason.
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You know, the border, the way they treated the border,
just bringing in all kinds of people who and bad
people who just want to reside off of subsistence. They
did were they weren't coming here for the American dream,
They're coming here for the American handout now they they
support that and back that as though anybody that says,
who whoa, whoa, If you're coming here to this country,
you need to come here for a purpose, They act
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like that is the voice of Satan saying that. So
I look at this Brown University issue, and I just
I look at the people that are up there giving
these briefs, and it is it's shocking how incompetent. And
you can tell leftists you come out. It's the guy
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the very first brief, the mayor is chewing gum the
entire brief. I find that very strange. And he sat
in his apartment or his house, which is right there
by the university, while these sirens were going off until
he got a call me. He didn't make a phone call.
I mean, that's the that's the level of people that
the president of the university as of yesterday said that
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she didn't know what was going on in that classroom.
I mean, so, yes, this is the level of these people.
They're incompetence. But also I could see and it's a
real possibility that they are not releasing these things to
the public because they don't want to make this into
a racial or an Islamic thing. If that's the case,
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even if that could catch the killer, even if it
could catch a killer, because they're not verifying it, and
they're they're not verifying what he said. They're not announcing that.
And if I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I want to keep interrupting it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But if he didn't say those things, is that something
that they would Is that something that they would want
to correct the record or would they typically just leave
it alone.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It seems like there might be some clarity given to
us if that's not accurate, or what do you think
about that?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Even if they said we believe that's what he said,
that that students have reported that that's what was being yelled.
So we are going to put part of our focus
on the fact that this individual could head have have
had a terrorist motive that was based in Islamic radicalization
or fundamentalization. They could say that if that's what people heard,
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perhaps the Islamic community would say, I think I know
somebody fits that profile, but they haven't done that. So
we are justified in asking the question why if they
aren't doing these things. So it is there is a
lot of evidence that is there regardless of the cameras
that is not being clarified and shared with the public,
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when the public in this case could most likely be
the biggest force multiplier for these these investigators.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
How they caught Mangioni because you know, we had great
or not great images, but he had you know, the
eyebrows and things that, you know, more sort of striking features.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That stood out.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And then I think he was at a McDonald's or
you know, was it McDonald's or he was.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
At believe it was McDonald's yet yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Then people are like, hey, look looks like the guy
because they got the public involved. You know, now that
the FBI is involved in this case, like do you
feel better about that? Or you know, kind of like
what's the state of the FBI today and the FBI's
ability to catch a killer like this.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's a great question, and I think people will think
I'm being a little negative here, but I wish Cash
Betail would shut his mouth and stay off him and
Dan Bogina both would stay off of X and out
of the media while investigation is happening. Because it's hard
to tell the competence of the FBI when when their
director is coming out and saying and making statements saying,
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you know, we've we've got a person of interest locked
up and making it sound like, oh, here's how we
did it.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
We geolocated.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Well, apparently your geolocation or whatever you use was wrong
because that person got let go. So that's the first thing.
Perception is reality when it comes to the FBI stepping
in on something. The second thing is, I have real
caution when it comes to the investigative expertise of the
FBI as a whole, based on the people that have
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been hired over the past twenty years, in large part
because of Affirmative Action and then DEI and a lot
of these people they weren't just hired because they're a
female or because they're of a different race, but they
were hired because they have ideologies that are in.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Line with the Left.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And so as we saw in Pennsylvania with the threat assessment,
which is an investigation, a threat assessment is actually an
investigation to figure out.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Who, why, when, where and how somebody would attack.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And so that investigation was completely failed in Butler and
in Florida by the Secret Service in Florida. But then
the follow on investigations after the two attempted assassinations were
riddled with leftist directors verbiage. And that's two directors, one
that was the acting or was the director, and then
the next one that was So this was of the
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Secret Service. I'm confusing two different agencies, but it's the
same with the FBI. The special agent in charge in
the FBI that was helping investigate that Florida case was
eventually let go because he was so anti Trump. So
in Pennsylvania you had the same type of leftists running
the FBI there. So this whole point is I'm trying
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to make is that I don't know who's doing the
investigating up there, and if they align ideology ideologically with
those leftists that are running Providence and that university, and
so if it's like everything else the left does, they
throw investigators out there and they just ho hum through
whatever they're doing because they think that being in a
position of authority is enough to prove that they are great.
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And so I think the FBI has failed under cash
Betail to clean that out properly, and they've made a
lot of big moves getting rid of people allowing FBA
agents to do their job. But I think I still
don't trust that rank and file in the FBI. So
we'll see if they If they come out there and
they solve this, then that's great. But if they don't,
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then I'd be more likely to chalk that up to
the fact that they still have not cleaned out these
leftists in the in the FBI.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Jonathan
on the other side, Given what you know, the limited
information we have about the shooter and his or her actions,
does this appear to be someone who knows what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Like obviously, unfortunately, we've seen a lot of mass shootings
in the country, a lot of school shootings in the country.
I guess, how do these actions sort of compare with
shooters in the past, Like how much of an expert
does this person seem to be?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, you know, it's interesting because killing in a in
an environment that is a soft environment, does not take
an expert. You don't have to get a PhD in killing.
I mean that killing is very similar to getting pregnant
and having a baby. If you want to do it,
you have the human ability to do it. It's just
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whether do you want to do it or not. In
the case of you know, getting pregnant, you have to
have two people. Well, in the case of murder, you
have to have two people, the one that's going to
get murdered and one that's going to do the murdering.
And you can do it with a fork, you can
do it with a knife, or you can do it
with a gun. And in the case of this individual,
where there's absolutely zero security that we could see that
would stop the individual from getting in there, and somebody
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that is dead set on going into that particular building
at that particular time, it is not difficult to walk
in and pull out a gun or a knife or
a fork in a room where people are not.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Expecting it and then kill them.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And so I think when we look at this to
say is the guy is the person an expert or
are they not? Or you know, I don't think it's
really comes down to their expertise. It comes down to
their intent and their will. And I think in this case,
that individual was intending to kill and murder somebody or
a few people in that particular place at that particular time.
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So I don't think they need to go out and
start looking for a hitman, but they definitely need to
be looking for who knows those people and who would
be motivated to get in there. I just, Lisa, I
cannot believe that at this point in time, with the
information that they have available and the people they have
available to interview, that they wouldn't be able to figure
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out a circle of people that they could start targeting
for investigation to find out who it is.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You know, there's a lot of theories going on online,
but we won't get to those since they're not you know,
but it seems like they're sluice online that might be
more closer to things than maybe the FBI is to be.
I I want to turn to the Bondai Beach terror
attack killing you know, fifteen people or at least fifteen
(21:11):
people that we know of now father son duo is
is inspired attack.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
How many of these are we going to see? I
just I just worry.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I mean, it's just common sense, right like Biden for
four years let in millions of people. We had a
record number on the terror watch list trying to get
into the country, probably had a record number of terrorists
who did get into the country. And then on top
of people who might be susceptible to that narrative or
you know, easily convinced right who have animosity towards us
the West, and this is happening in you know, throughout
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Europe and countries around the world as well. So I mean,
are we sort of in like, are we going to
look at like another age of terror again?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I think we're going to see what we've seen this
killing in particular and not necessarily terrorism. Member terrorism is
the use of of force, violence and intimidation for a
political aim. That's basically the definition of it. And you
could say political ideology, but it's usually for a change
of government or governance. And we've seen, but we have
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seen killing all over the world due to the forced
migration of Muslims from third world countries all over the world.
It's not like it's just exactly the same way that
they left did with our southern border where they literally
and nobody has ever done an investigation of this. And
(22:36):
it drives me crazy of the groups that were paying
for these people to be on buses or get plane
tickets to fly to this country. It's the same thing
with the forced migration of Muslims out of third world
countries in the Middle East, all over the world. They
weren't you know, they were probably refugees trying to get
(22:56):
away from war, but they didn't have the money or
the ability to leave those areas on their own. They
were paid for and I would say primarily by leftist organizations,
whether they were in goos or governments, directly for the
purpose of spreading these people all over the world, people
who don't assimilate, people who may not be radicalized but
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have the foundation to be radicalized. And when you put
them in a country that is a westernized country, a
country that is or countries that are modern, people would
think that are from these modern countries that you're going
to put somebod over here, They're going to live a
modern life, they're going to be happy. But when you
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take somebody out of a third world country that's been
raised in a different moral and ethical manner and then
you put them in a westernized or modern world, what
they're going to feel most likely because they didn't show
up there saying I want the Great American dream. They
showed up there because they were fleeing from war. But
they didn't flee from the Middle East because they hate
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their life. They fled from there because they were in
the middle of war. And so when you bring them
into another modern country, it's not a happy place for them.
They may be able to drink the water, but when
people don't react and act the way that their culture
says that they should, then they're going to act out.
And that's why you're seeing rapes all over the world, murders,
(24:20):
and I believe what we're seeing now is an increasing
movement of jihad and terrorism because once those people get
into a modern country, they are ripe for the picking
to be radicalized. And that is despite the amount of
people that have been pushed all over this world, the
(24:40):
people who are going around and radicalizing or recruiting them
to fundamentalism that has not been forced. That is the
way that groups like Iran hamas isis al Qaeda, they
purposely put the recruiters all over the world so they
can then go in and preach hate and radicalized these people.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I mean, we're.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Committing suicide by allowing all these people into our country.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Sure, I mean yes.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
And again I brought up the southern border last year,
well actually this year, but this is a perfect thing.
This year I was in Mexico with a tour and
we were down there for a month. The year before that,
and the year before that, I was in Mexico before
Trump was back in office, and we were there for
a month. Both of those times and the previous two years,
(25:30):
at three in the morning, the whole tour would go
to an airport and it would be like rush hour
in Manhattan. The airports at obscure small airports in Mexico
were packed to the brim, and most of those people
were coming to the United States. And I don't think
people realize how many people came over the border legally,
(25:52):
not illegally.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
They came over illegally.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Because they went and signed that got on that app
and got the ability to get here or in other
cases to get closer to the border where they just
walked over, in which.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Case fifty one and I talk got yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So this year when we went to Mexico, the same
airport's same time, nobody was there. It was a typical
empty Mexican airport. So when you think about that and
you think about people, those people cannot afford they were
showing up. The people I saw on the airport, they
didn't have luggage, they were dirty, and they had plane
(26:30):
tickets that cost you know, hundreds, if not thousands of
dollars to fly into the United States.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
So the fact that that.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Stuff was was not only allowed to happen, but was
paid for by groups or people leftists to make this happen.
Al Qaeda isis Iran would take advantage of the same
exact thing to put recruiters all over the world because
they knew that their people were coming in.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's like we're letting people into our house who we
know want to destroy it. Common sons like you wouldn't
invite someone into your home if you know knowing that
they're going to come in and start like, you know,
throwing your glasses against the wall and like kicking your
table over, and you know, like taking a sledgehammer to
your house.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
But yet that's essentially what we're doing to America.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Well, these people, as we were talking about earlier at
Brown University, they think differently. Culture is everything. As I
go around the world, the one thing I've noticed is
that culture can kill a community or a country or
a nation, or it can make it great. And I
would say that the leftist culture has kind a foothold
(27:44):
almost everywhere I've gone on the other side, conservative or
not even conservative, but people morals and ethics and people
who are loving and kind has has really.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Become more of the my.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And in large part because of social media, that people
who want good things to happen and work hard, they
come home and get on social media and they grumble
and that's all they do. They don't even they don't
even go to the voting poles anymore, hardly at all,
you know. So they come out for president in this country,
but the midterms, conservatives are the people who are not
(28:22):
Liberals refuse to go to the polls and vote. So
as I'm going around the world, this leftist culture was
first secreted into and now it's just is really the
majority almost everywhere I go and wherever they are, that
is where this attitude and this weird thought process of
(28:43):
global community. And by global community, they just mean anybody
can go anywhere they want. It's not like they're loving
and say, you know, the whole thing about migration that
with the left, it's not about love. It's about letting
people go wherever they want and thinking that the cultures
that they don't like are the bad ones. And strangely enough,
(29:03):
typically as you see, the cultures they hate are the
freest cultures with morals and essays. So it's you know,
all I can chalk it up to is it's the
same lie that happened in the garden of Eden, and
it's happening right now, and the human beings are doing
the same gullible thing in believing the lie.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Quick break.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
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Speaker 2 (29:28):
So I guess what do we do?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, how hard is it for like the FB,
when you have that many legal aliens in the country
and then you have that many people are are you
living here susceptible to radicalization?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Like how do you stop tax?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Well, I don't know if you're going to be able
to stop attacks. This is another good point about these
stupid briefs that are happening at Brown University is that
the mayor came out and said made the point of
saying that there's no known threat. Okay, that is the
dumbest thing that hear law enforcement say on a regular basis.
There's no known threat. There was no known threat on
(30:05):
nine ten, two thousand and one. There's no known threat.
The day before that individual walked into Brown University and
shot to two people to death and wounded eight others.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You're not going to be able to stop attacks just
by going off of whether they're no the threat is known,
or it's not. So I think if we want to
make this nation safer, let's take the drug epidemic for instance,
maybe you might want to go out and really start
cracking down on drug dealers and then promoting, like they
did in the eighties, young people not to use drugs
(30:39):
and really making the penalties stiff enough where people just
won't do it, instead of legalizing it or legalizing a
lot of it and then giving people who are capitalists
the ability to go in and manufacture clean drugs for people.
I mean, it's got to be one of the other,
because right now we have a violence and a drug problem.
So if you and I'm not saying I'm all about
(30:59):
legal as of drugs, but doing nothing is where we
are right now. And it's the same thing when it
comes to terrorism and violence, especially leftists and Islamic violence,
which if you don't know anything about the Red Green Alliance,
you should look that up because Islam and Marxism or
communism have worked hand in hand for many many A
long time. I mean we're talking one hundred years or more,
(31:21):
and so wherever you see one, you're you're probably going
to see the other.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Sagan what aligns them so much ideologically.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Because they're both they're both dependent on control, and so
they work naturally together. I think that I think I
don't really know exactly. It's hard to tell what goes
on in the minds of I know why the Islamic
function of faction would function with them is because they
see the Left is like another criminal element that would
(31:56):
be able to that can assist them because they're in power.
And that's that's always been the case. You've always seen
throughout history the progressives, and that's really that's the reality
of who the left actually is is the bulk of
the left are progressive. And I'm trying to be short
winded on this because I know we don't go too long,
but it's a very fascinating subject when you look at it.
(32:18):
But what it does is when we look at Islam
and we look at the left and the Red Green Alliance,
what we see is that there are the pathways are
opened for these people to get in and manipulate social
cultures and so that is how this is spreading so
(32:39):
fast and the foothold that it has is being able
to progress so.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Quickly before we go.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Do you think they'll catch the Brown killer.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I think that eventually that person is going to be known.
I think that somebody is going to realize that. I
don't know if the person will go around and say, hey,
I did that, perhaps they will, but I think they'll
they'll eventually be caught because they have to have known
people that were there.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
There's a reason why they.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Chose that particular place, and if it comes out that
it was ideological, then I think that will probably eventually
come out because they will want people to know that
they that was done in the name of this. If
it was personal, I think that that relationship will eventually
come out. So I think that's probably where they're going
to eventually find them. If it's not for CAM, if
(33:28):
they don't come up with some technology or some DNA
that they found somewhere, then I think it's going to
be through a relationship or an ideology that that basically
makes this person known.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Donathan appreciate your time, thanks for breaking this all down,
and we pray that they catch the killer.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That we learn more about him or her.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Got listen. I apologize I'm long winded, but as I always.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Say, but oh, this is a place to do it
because you don't have commrcial breaks.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, and it's it's it's not a What we're talking
about is it's not rocket science, whether it's the tack
itself or all these things that are going on like
in Bondi Beach, which we you know, I really didn't
even get into that. But the reality is with with
all of these things and the spread of these terrorist attacks,
a lot of it has to do with this Red
(34:16):
Green alliance and Islam riding the coattails of the leftists.
And now we see in this nation leftists like we
saw the attack foild in California by leftists that call
themselves Turtle Beach or not Turtle Beach but Turtle Island
Liberation Front. We are seeing the same type of tactics
(34:37):
that have been used by Islam and by the fundamental
Muslims that are that are going out and pursuing terrorism.
We're seeing that now on the left. And it's another
example how they share tactics, techniques, and procedures verbiage. You
see the left taking up for Hamas and then you
(34:58):
see both of them sharing the same verbiage and tactics
and probably training.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
And I think if the FBI gets into this and.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Starts looking beyond the responsive investigations, if the FBI starts
being proactive and starts hunting, they will find that these
Islamic attackers, the groups that they are with, and the
leftists and the groups that they are with, are most
likely working together and funded and trained by a lot of.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
The same people.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Jonathan, appreciate your time. Thanks for breaking this down for us.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
You got at least to take care and gobblin.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That was Jonathan Gilliam.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
You can listen throughout the week. I also want to
thank my producer, John Cassio for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
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