October 14, 2025 • 20 mins
In this episode of The Truth with Lisa Boothe, Lisa sits down with Buck Sexton to unpack President Trump’s latest foreign policy victories — from the groundbreaking Middle East peace deal to the dramatic release of hostages. They explore how Trump’s unconventional, results-driven diplomacy contrasts sharply with President Biden’s passive global posture. The conversation exposes the harsh realities of Hamas’s brutality in Gaza, calls out media distortions surrounding the conflict, and explains how Trump’s assertive leadership is reshaping America’s image abroad while keeping adversaries like Russia and China in check. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Today. I'm joined by Buck Sexton. You know him.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
He's one of the co hosts of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. He's also a former CIA analyst,
so we're going to lean on that experience for today's show.
We're going to talk about President Trump's bold leadership history
being made peace in the Middle East. I don't know
if you saw that New York Post cover, but it
reads Leader of the Free World.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What a difference a president makes. All we needed was
a different president.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're also going to talk about Hamasa's brutal executions of
gosins hours after the ceasefire. Where are the ceasefire crowd?
You know, where are from the river to the sea crowd?
Where are the people concerned about the plight of the
Gosens of the Palestinians. They seem pretty silent right now,
So what's.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That all about?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Also, what impact does this piece in the Middle East
and this big bold move from President Trump, what impact
does it have on the rest of the world. Will
he be able to solve the Ukraine show war? We'll
China be afraid to try to take Taiwan? What does
this mean more broadly? So stay tuned for all of
that and more with my friend Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, buck Sexton, it's great to have you on the show.
Appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Thanks for having me, Lisa, as always appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, so, Bob, President Trump went from flipping French fries
at McDonald's to negotiating world peaces.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Quite the career work for someone.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
If you ask me, the American dream is still a
wife and well.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Well, yeah, you know, it's funny, Lisa, because I spent
a fair amount of time around diplomats and ambassadors back
when I worked in the government. And it's funny because
there's this idea that you have to have done that
for a long time to be able to do that right.
It's like, if you haven't done it before, there's no way,
(01:57):
there's no way that you could actually do it in
an effective way. And that's clearly not the case.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
In fact, I think that, if anything, what Trump has
shown is that if you have the instincts of a negotiator,
you're far better at this kind of negotiation than somebody
who's been really producing process for their entire career, which
is what most state department employees do. So yeah, it
makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And that's a really good point too, because you also
have you know, Jared Kushner and see what cooff have
also been criticized for. They don't know what they're doing,
you know, they aren't up for the job, they don't
have the experience. And then to your point, they helped
President Trump, you know, deliver history. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I mean, I think the biggest testament Lisa, to just
what a success this whole thing is with Trump is
that some of his I'm sure you've seen this right
in the last twenty four hours or so, some of
his bitterest or most bitter bitter is a word. Most
bitter critics in the media have had to say things like,
(03:05):
I may not like what he did on X, Y
or Z, but I have to say this Mid East
piece thing and getting the hostages back is pretty good, right.
And these are people who you know, would just spit
out their coffee before they would say anything on a
morning show or on their evening shows about how great
Donald Trump is on anything.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So what further proof could you need? Then? People suffering
from trumped arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
This has actually broken through and they've had to say, yeah,
on this, he got a pretty sweet deal, done well,
well worth it, and that's I think a testament to
how effective he's been well.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And to that point.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You know, you look at the cover of the New
York Post today and it reads Leader of the Free
World praising President Trump for negotiating peace and getting the
hostages released. I mean, like during the you know, four
years and er Biden, it really felt like America had
lost its way, sort of questioning, you know, will we
be the world's leading superpower again? You know, really just
feeling like badly diminished as a country understanding, but it
(04:11):
shows us like all we needed was a new president.
Talk about sort of that shift on the global stage
that we've seen just in the few short months since
President Trump's taken office. And then also what this all
in the Middle East signifies to the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Absolutely, And I don't say this to be glib, although
I think it will sound that way, Lisa, but I
think it's completely fair to say the powers of the
presidency are extremely formidable in the right hands, and when
you have somebody who is essentially an absentee president, the
(04:49):
nation suffers, and in this case, referring to Joe Biden,
the guy had cognitive like cognitive decline, I.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Mean, dementia.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We all know that this has been something that was
covered up, and so it only makes sense if you
think about it, you know, take away all the Democrat
narrative in the media and take away the ways that
this was covered up.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, having a guy running the free world.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Or as leader of the free world, running this country,
who has all of his faculties and is a tremendously
forceful personality with a vision of what he's trying to accomplish,
and a competitive guy as well, And I mean that
are all the best ways, Like, you should be a
competitive person if you're going to be in that kind
of executive role of president, meaning that you know, you
(05:36):
want to be known as a great president. You want
to be known as a guy who did better even
than his predecessors.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like I think that's healthy.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And to compare that to Joe Biden, who was barely
present cognitively and physically, I mean, the guy was at
Delaware like every other weekend, and we all know why.
Of course, America is in a better position now of
Visa VI these countries all over the world. But it's funny,
isn't it, Because on foreign policy, Lisa, and on global standing,
those are places where the so called intelligentsia and like
(06:08):
the legacy media would have said that Donald Trump would
be the weakest and they claimed that he was going
to be And I think, if anything, it has been
the place where he has shown the most the most
ability to adapt to the situation and to get results
that even, like I said, the most bitter of his
(06:30):
enemies have to admit, Wow, this guy knows what the
heck he's doing when it comes to high stakes negotiation
on the world stage.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Is it just being an outsider or just you know,
the way President Trump is, or what do you think
is behind that?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
You know, I think it's skill set, truly. I think
that it's understanding leverage, it's understanding pain points and what
it is like you know, this is if you sat
down with somebody who, let's say, had been very successful
in negotiating big deals and maybe they were teaching people
(07:05):
in a business school like an MBA program, I think
a lot of that would be the skill set that
you would see in someone like a President Trump if
you look at the way that in say the School
of Foreign Serve It.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Georgetown, or SEISS, which is the JOHNS.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Hopkins equivalent at the School of Evans International Studies, or SIPA,
which is the School of International Public.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Affairs at Columbia.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
By the way, these are where a lot of my
government colleagues from the various agencies, they come out of
the master's programs at these places, so I'm very familiar
with them.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
There. They take a much.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
More internationalist and consensus based opinion, Lisa, and consensus isn't
good in negotiation, right, It really turns into a who
is the decider and what are they trying to get
and what are they willing to give? And how do
they use both carrots and sticks in that process. Trump
understands that, and I think a lot of people that
(08:00):
work in politics, and even people that have a background
maybe in things like corporate law or I don't think
they've necessarily because we see a lot of that. Right,
you can corporate law, and then you become a senator,
especially the Democrat side. If you're a senator, maybe you
run for president or even become president as Biden did.
I don't think that they have the time over target,
(08:22):
so to speak. I don't think they have the reps
to understand when you're a negotiation, who are you dealing with?
What kind of a person are they in this negotiation?
What do they want? You know, these are instincts, I
think as much as their experiences for a lot of people,
or rather they're experiential. And this is where I think
Donald Trump is such a Yeah, he's an outsider, as
(08:44):
you said, and that means he doesn't come with all
this baggage. But the baggage is of that consensus school
of thinking with well, this is what was done before,
and this is what the so called experts say I
have to do now I'm going to take that approach. Well,
that clearly has failed a lot, and Trump has won
a lot. And that's a different And that's the difference
between the two, you know, and Barbara.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Corkran Shark Tanks Barbara Corkran, I know.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I know barbes uh. I mean, I like watch her.
I don't know her, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like, I'm sure you've seen that clip where she was
talking about how he's the best negotiator, She's ever seen,
and she kind of like walks through why but you know,
that just came to mind as you were speaking. Is
that why you think like these people, like the expert
class hate him so much. Is it because he sort
of like rendered them useless and sort of exposed them?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Or oh man, there's so many There are so many
answers that are I think all valid to that question, Lisa.
I think it's a broad sweep of things that first
of all, as you know, he's he's a trader to
his class in their eyes in some way, right, because
while he is the point people say he's the blue
collar billionaire, it's like, well, he's supposed to be. He's
(09:56):
a New York guy. He's really rich. He should at
least respect these institutions that we come from, meaning he
should respect, you know, these Ivy League schools because he
went to one, so but he doesn't really or rather,
you have to earn his respect beyond the credentials. I
think the credentialism of our elites is one of the
(10:18):
things that they're most sensitive about now, especially with regard
to Trump, because he also you know, usually what happens
is if you don't come from that, if you're not
from that background. The moment you criticize it, you know this,
what do people say, Well, you know, you wouldn't feel
that way about the Ivy League if you had gone
to an Ivy League school, right, Well, but he did,
and his kids have gone to Ivy League schools, and
(10:41):
that's just one example of this. But he then looks
at it from the inside and says, Okay, yeah, these
can be great schools, but I don't inherently think that
someone is going to be better at the job or
smarter because of the school they went to. I want
to see who I'm dealing with, and I think that's
a slap in the face to particularly the coastal elite
(11:01):
sense of who should be involved at the top levels
of government and also who should really be in charge
in our society. We talk about the elites. Credentialism is
really at the heart of it. And I think that
he's a challenge to that, like I said, because he
also can play that game if he wants to, but
he doesn't really want to play that game, so he
throws them completely off balance.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And the other thing is he's been willing to hold
the mirror up to them and this has been true
all along.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
He will say the things that a lot of us
think but either haven't been in a position to or
just don't want to deal with the fallout of when
it comes to very powerful.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Institutions and individuals, and that off the cuff.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Let it rip aspect of who he is and who
he is politically in particular, rather the kind of political
figure that he's become. That's the secret sauce that just
cannot be replicated, and it is why he's been so.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Capable of taking on all comers.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Take a quick commercial break more with Buck Sexton. On
the other side. You know, there's been reports in video
showing Camas carrying out mass executions in Gaza after signing
the peace treaty. I haven't heard anything from like the
River to the Sea people or the you know, ceasefire
people about condemning this behavior. It kind of makes you
(12:23):
think that it was really never about that.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah, no, the ceasefire people, remember they were calling for
a ceasefire while the Israelis were still counting their dead
after October seventh. I mean that the whole claim of
a ceasefire was supposed to be a way of seizing
some moral high ground while you're calling for Israel to
just sit there and take it essentially, and that was
(12:46):
that was morally grotesque, and that continued on for two years.
Hamas is a disgraceful and inhumane entity. There's nothing honorable
or decent about Hamas as an organization.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The same thing is true of Hesbela.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And I know people will try to talk about, you know,
Hesbelah running some soup kitchens. Well, I always want to
point out if Hamas and Hesbela had any idea of
how to govern and had any principles that they actually
lived up to as governing entities, maybe they wouldn't need
to run so many soup kitchens because their people wouldn't
be so poor and miserable, and they wouldn't spend all
(13:26):
their time, by the way, stashing cash in banks in
the Middle East and flying on private jets to conferences
where they have no interest in actually until now, until
Trump coming to any real agreement with anyone on.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
The Israeli side.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
So yeah, what you saw with the Hamas executions is
just more more evidence that Hamas is executing people in
a public square. They want people to see this, They
want there to be fear you would think that maybe
they would be if they were normal psychologically, like the
leadership of Hamas, if they weren't aren't psychopathic, which I
(14:01):
believe they absolutely are, and I think there's mountains of
evidence to that effect. Then you would think they would
spend more time trying to feed their people and deal
with the fall out of this war, because remember, we
were told it was a genocide and we were told
that people were starving to death.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Both of those things are lies.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
By the way, and I said they were all along,
but there was a big propaganda campaign on both fronts.
If you had just suffered through a genocide and were
still suffering through mass starvation, I don't think the Israelis
just showed up with huge pallets of food in the
last twenty four hours, Lisa. Why would they be executing
people instead of tending to the needs of people.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And it's because Hamas all along. I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
My only disappointment in this Trump peace agreement. The only
part of this that I wish could be different is
the entire Hamas. Entire Hamas structure was either captured or killed.
But the Israelis are willing to let some of them
get off the hook. In order to achieve this piece
and the conflict, which I totally respect, but I do
(14:59):
wish that Hamas.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Was completely eradicated. And that's the only part of it that.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I if I could wave a magic wand and change,
I would it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
In like a lot of these videos, the people do
not look famished if I'm just being honest, right, So
it's like this, you know then.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Because I mean exactly starving, it was a lie, right,
That's what what you're saying is you're saying, what about
my Are my eyes lying to me?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And no they're not.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Uh. And And this is why The New York Times
ran on the front page a story about starvation with
a kid who wasn't starving but had a congeneral birth defect.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Had nothing to do with with.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Starvation of the population around him, had nothing with him starving,
even it was just a very sad case. You know,
it would be like, you know, if you put it
if you put a child on the front page with
no legs and claim that the Israelis had blown his
legs off with a land mine or something, and then
it turns out, no, he's actually just born that way.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, then why are you blaming the Israelis for it.
They had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's really the same, uh, you know, moral obtuseness on
display from what's supposed to be the most reputable paper
in the country.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It clearly isn't, but that's what they say.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So yeah, I think that the people who saw this
with moral clarity for the last two years have been
entirely vindicated, not just by the way that the Trump
Agreement has come together, but also by the actions of
the various parties afterwards. So there should be some real
soul searching from even some people on the right Lisa
(16:25):
who I think started to get this really wrong. And
I have no enemies to the rights, so I don't
name names or get into that kind of pettiness. But
for anybody who started to think, oh, Israel is intentionally
starving to death the people of Gaza, they should ask
themselves why was I fooled?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah? Why did I believe that obvious lie?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
What pressure, you know, especially saying just the show force,
you know, President Trump joined by more than twenty world
leaders in Egypt on stage and being able.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
To get this done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What kind of pressure does that put on like Russia
and Ukraine to resolve that war, and then also what
sort of pressure does this put on like China maybe
looking to take Taiwan.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, this comes all together in what I think you
could call the Trump effect.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Lisa, and I'll kind of work backwards in your question because,
as you know, because we're friends and you were aware
of my recent travels.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I just got back from Taiwan.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I had a long interview with the President, as well
as sit downs behind closed doors with the Vice President,
the National Security Advide, I mean, everybody in Taiwan who's
making decisions about defense and national security at the highest level.
And spent a whole week there going to military bases,
going to drone factories, go just seeing what's going on.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And one thing that really.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Stuck out to me was they said that after Trump
hit the Iranian nuclear facilities, and they wouldn't tell me,
they didn't want to go to sources and methods, but
they said, let me tell you that rattled Beijing, meaning
that rattled Chijin paying in the Chinese Communist Party, because
what it showed was that Trump was willing to throw
the punch that he thinks is necessary irrespective of what
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the status quo has been, and all the predecessors in
that group think that consensus that we were talking about before, and.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that Lisa.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
The strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities had reverberations in
certainly the Taiwanese capital Taipei, meaning that it was heartening
for them, and in Beijing it was, oh wow, this
guy means business.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now. I think that also when you add that to what.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
We've just seen with the Midi's peace deal, Putin is
getting more It's going to be getting more pressure on this.
Trump does want to bring that to a conclusion as well.
And I think that there was some goodwill between Trump
and Putin, just on a man demand level. I'm not
saying that Trump agrees with everything Putin does. Obviously Putin's
(18:55):
a bad guy in so many ways, but I think
that there was a an adversarial respect between the two
of them that Trump now has decided, Oh no, you're
actually just a dirt bag, like you're not willing to
man demand, meet me in good faith and try to
bring this you know, tell me what you need, tell
(19:15):
me how we end this thing, tell me how we
can stop the killing. And now I think going into
this Trump is going to have a more adversarial approach
to Putin and to put greater pressure on him. And
I feel like he's got the you know, if we're
talking in basketball analogies, Trump's got the hot hand right now,
and you don't want to get in the way of that.
(19:37):
You don't want to be on the other side of that,
on the other team. So that means to me that
there's going to be a really renewed effort here. He
obviously is willing to push Zelenski a lot, but he's
shown a willingness to snap more in the other direction
and put that pressure on Putin at least talk about
turning on the pressure on Putin and that could bring
about the result that we're all hoping for, which is
(19:58):
an end of that conflict as well.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Absolutely, Buck Sexton, appreciate you for taking the time to
join the show.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Anytime, Lisa, Thanks for having me those Bucks Sexton.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Also to thank my producer John Cassio for putting the
show together.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Until next time,
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Today. I'm joined by Buck Sexton. You know him.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
He's one of the co hosts of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. He's also a former CIA analyst,
so we're going to lean on that experience for today's show.
We're going to talk about President Trump's bold leadership history
being made peace in the Middle East. I don't know
if you saw that New York Post cover, but it
reads Leader of the Free World.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What a difference a president makes. All we needed was
a different president.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We're also going to talk about Hamasa's brutal executions of
gosins hours after the ceasefire. Where are the ceasefire crowd?
You know, where are from the river to the sea crowd?
Where are the people concerned about the plight of the
Gosens of the Palestinians. They seem pretty silent right now,
So what's.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That all about?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Also, what impact does this piece in the Middle East
and this big bold move from President Trump, what impact
does it have on the rest of the world. Will
he be able to solve the Ukraine show war? We'll
China be afraid to try to take Taiwan? What does
this mean more broadly? So stay tuned for all of
that and more with my friend Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, buck Sexton, it's great to have you on the show.
Appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Thanks for having me, Lisa, as always appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, so, Bob, President Trump went from flipping French fries
at McDonald's to negotiating world peaces.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Quite the career work for someone.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
If you ask me, the American dream is still a
wife and well.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Well, yeah, you know, it's funny, Lisa, because I spent
a fair amount of time around diplomats and ambassadors back
when I worked in the government. And it's funny because
there's this idea that you have to have done that
for a long time to be able to do that right.
It's like, if you haven't done it before, there's no way,
(01:57):
there's no way that you could actually do it in
an effective way. And that's clearly not the case.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
In fact, I think that, if anything, what Trump has
shown is that if you have the instincts of a negotiator,
you're far better at this kind of negotiation than somebody
who's been really producing process for their entire career, which
is what most state department employees do. So yeah, it
makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And that's a really good point too, because you also
have you know, Jared Kushner and see what cooff have
also been criticized for. They don't know what they're doing,
you know, they aren't up for the job, they don't
have the experience. And then to your point, they helped
President Trump, you know, deliver history. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I mean, I think the biggest testament Lisa, to just
what a success this whole thing is with Trump is
that some of his I'm sure you've seen this right
in the last twenty four hours or so, some of
his bitterest or most bitter bitter is a word. Most
bitter critics in the media have had to say things like,
(03:05):
I may not like what he did on X, Y
or Z, but I have to say this Mid East
piece thing and getting the hostages back is pretty good, right.
And these are people who you know, would just spit
out their coffee before they would say anything on a
morning show or on their evening shows about how great
Donald Trump is on anything.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So what further proof could you need? Then? People suffering
from trumped arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
This has actually broken through and they've had to say, yeah,
on this, he got a pretty sweet deal, done well,
well worth it, and that's I think a testament to
how effective he's been well.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And to that point.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You know, you look at the cover of the New
York Post today and it reads Leader of the Free
World praising President Trump for negotiating peace and getting the
hostages released. I mean, like during the you know, four
years and er Biden, it really felt like America had
lost its way, sort of questioning, you know, will we
be the world's leading superpower again? You know, really just
feeling like badly diminished as a country understanding, but it
(04:11):
shows us like all we needed was a new president.
Talk about sort of that shift on the global stage
that we've seen just in the few short months since
President Trump's taken office. And then also what this all
in the Middle East signifies to the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Absolutely, And I don't say this to be glib, although
I think it will sound that way, Lisa, but I
think it's completely fair to say the powers of the
presidency are extremely formidable in the right hands, and when
you have somebody who is essentially an absentee president, the
(04:49):
nation suffers, and in this case, referring to Joe Biden,
the guy had cognitive like cognitive decline, I.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Mean, dementia.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We all know that this has been something that was
covered up, and so it only makes sense if you
think about it, you know, take away all the Democrat
narrative in the media and take away the ways that
this was covered up.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, having a guy running the free world.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Or as leader of the free world, running this country,
who has all of his faculties and is a tremendously
forceful personality with a vision of what he's trying to accomplish,
and a competitive guy as well, And I mean that
are all the best ways, Like, you should be a
competitive person if you're going to be in that kind
of executive role of president, meaning that you know, you
(05:36):
want to be known as a great president. You want
to be known as a guy who did better even
than his predecessors.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like I think that's healthy.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And to compare that to Joe Biden, who was barely
present cognitively and physically, I mean, the guy was at
Delaware like every other weekend, and we all know why.
Of course, America is in a better position now of
Visa VI these countries all over the world. But it's funny,
isn't it, Because on foreign policy, Lisa, and on global standing,
those are places where the so called intelligentsia and like
(06:08):
the legacy media would have said that Donald Trump would
be the weakest and they claimed that he was going
to be And I think, if anything, it has been
the place where he has shown the most the most
ability to adapt to the situation and to get results
that even, like I said, the most bitter of his
(06:30):
enemies have to admit, Wow, this guy knows what the
heck he's doing when it comes to high stakes negotiation
on the world stage.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Is it just being an outsider or just you know,
the way President Trump is, or what do you think
is behind that?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
You know, I think it's skill set, truly. I think
that it's understanding leverage, it's understanding pain points and what
it is like you know, this is if you sat
down with somebody who, let's say, had been very successful
in negotiating big deals and maybe they were teaching people
(07:05):
in a business school like an MBA program, I think
a lot of that would be the skill set that
you would see in someone like a President Trump if
you look at the way that in say the School
of Foreign Serve It.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Georgetown, or SEISS, which is the JOHNS.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Hopkins equivalent at the School of Evans International Studies, or SIPA,
which is the School of International Public.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Affairs at Columbia.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
By the way, these are where a lot of my
government colleagues from the various agencies, they come out of
the master's programs at these places, so I'm very familiar
with them.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
There. They take a much.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
More internationalist and consensus based opinion, Lisa, and consensus isn't
good in negotiation, right, It really turns into a who
is the decider and what are they trying to get
and what are they willing to give? And how do
they use both carrots and sticks in that process. Trump
understands that, and I think a lot of people that
(08:00):
work in politics, and even people that have a background
maybe in things like corporate law or I don't think
they've necessarily because we see a lot of that. Right,
you can corporate law, and then you become a senator,
especially the Democrat side. If you're a senator, maybe you
run for president or even become president as Biden did.
I don't think that they have the time over target,
(08:22):
so to speak. I don't think they have the reps
to understand when you're a negotiation, who are you dealing with?
What kind of a person are they in this negotiation?
What do they want? You know, these are instincts, I
think as much as their experiences for a lot of people,
or rather they're experiential. And this is where I think
Donald Trump is such a Yeah, he's an outsider, as
(08:44):
you said, and that means he doesn't come with all
this baggage. But the baggage is of that consensus school
of thinking with well, this is what was done before,
and this is what the so called experts say I
have to do now I'm going to take that approach. Well,
that clearly has failed a lot, and Trump has won
a lot. And that's a different And that's the difference
between the two, you know, and Barbara.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Corkran Shark Tanks Barbara Corkran, I know.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I know barbes uh. I mean, I like watch her.
I don't know her, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like, I'm sure you've seen that clip where she was
talking about how he's the best negotiator, She's ever seen,
and she kind of like walks through why but you know,
that just came to mind as you were speaking. Is
that why you think like these people, like the expert
class hate him so much. Is it because he sort
of like rendered them useless and sort of exposed them?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Or oh man, there's so many There are so many
answers that are I think all valid to that question, Lisa.
I think it's a broad sweep of things that first
of all, as you know, he's he's a trader to
his class in their eyes in some way, right, because
while he is the point people say he's the blue
collar billionaire, it's like, well, he's supposed to be. He's
(09:56):
a New York guy. He's really rich. He should at
least respect these institutions that we come from, meaning he
should respect, you know, these Ivy League schools because he
went to one, so but he doesn't really or rather,
you have to earn his respect beyond the credentials. I
think the credentialism of our elites is one of the
(10:18):
things that they're most sensitive about now, especially with regard
to Trump, because he also you know, usually what happens
is if you don't come from that, if you're not
from that background. The moment you criticize it, you know this,
what do people say, Well, you know, you wouldn't feel
that way about the Ivy League if you had gone
to an Ivy League school, right, Well, but he did,
and his kids have gone to Ivy League schools, and
(10:41):
that's just one example of this. But he then looks
at it from the inside and says, Okay, yeah, these
can be great schools, but I don't inherently think that
someone is going to be better at the job or
smarter because of the school they went to. I want
to see who I'm dealing with, and I think that's
a slap in the face to particularly the coastal elite
(11:01):
sense of who should be involved at the top levels
of government and also who should really be in charge
in our society. We talk about the elites. Credentialism is
really at the heart of it. And I think that
he's a challenge to that, like I said, because he
also can play that game if he wants to, but
he doesn't really want to play that game, so he
throws them completely off balance.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And the other thing is he's been willing to hold
the mirror up to them and this has been true
all along.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
He will say the things that a lot of us
think but either haven't been in a position to or
just don't want to deal with the fallout of when
it comes to very powerful.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Institutions and individuals, and that off the cuff.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Let it rip aspect of who he is and who
he is politically in particular, rather the kind of political
figure that he's become. That's the secret sauce that just
cannot be replicated, and it is why he's been so.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Capable of taking on all comers.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Take a quick commercial break more with Buck Sexton. On
the other side. You know, there's been reports in video
showing Camas carrying out mass executions in Gaza after signing
the peace treaty. I haven't heard anything from like the
River to the Sea people or the you know, ceasefire
people about condemning this behavior. It kind of makes you
(12:23):
think that it was really never about that.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah, no, the ceasefire people, remember they were calling for
a ceasefire while the Israelis were still counting their dead
after October seventh. I mean that the whole claim of
a ceasefire was supposed to be a way of seizing
some moral high ground while you're calling for Israel to
just sit there and take it essentially, and that was
(12:46):
that was morally grotesque, and that continued on for two years.
Hamas is a disgraceful and inhumane entity. There's nothing honorable
or decent about Hamas as an organization.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The same thing is true of Hesbela.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
And I know people will try to talk about, you know,
Hesbelah running some soup kitchens. Well, I always want to
point out if Hamas and Hesbela had any idea of
how to govern and had any principles that they actually
lived up to as governing entities, maybe they wouldn't need
to run so many soup kitchens because their people wouldn't
be so poor and miserable, and they wouldn't spend all
(13:26):
their time, by the way, stashing cash in banks in
the Middle East and flying on private jets to conferences
where they have no interest in actually until now, until
Trump coming to any real agreement with anyone on.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
The Israeli side.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
So yeah, what you saw with the Hamas executions is
just more more evidence that Hamas is executing people in
a public square. They want people to see this, They
want there to be fear you would think that maybe
they would be if they were normal psychologically, like the
leadership of Hamas, if they weren't aren't psychopathic, which I
(14:01):
believe they absolutely are, and I think there's mountains of
evidence to that effect. Then you would think they would
spend more time trying to feed their people and deal
with the fall out of this war, because remember, we
were told it was a genocide and we were told
that people were starving to death.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Both of those things are lies.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
By the way, and I said they were all along,
but there was a big propaganda campaign on both fronts.
If you had just suffered through a genocide and were
still suffering through mass starvation, I don't think the Israelis
just showed up with huge pallets of food in the
last twenty four hours, Lisa. Why would they be executing
people instead of tending to the needs of people.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And it's because Hamas all along. I mean.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
My only disappointment in this Trump peace agreement. The only
part of this that I wish could be different is
the entire Hamas. Entire Hamas structure was either captured or killed.
But the Israelis are willing to let some of them
get off the hook. In order to achieve this piece
and the conflict, which I totally respect, but I do
(14:59):
wish that Hamas.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Was completely eradicated. And that's the only part of it that.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I if I could wave a magic wand and change,
I would it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
In like a lot of these videos, the people do
not look famished if I'm just being honest, right, So
it's like this, you know then.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Because I mean exactly starving, it was a lie, right,
That's what what you're saying is you're saying, what about
my Are my eyes lying to me?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And no they're not.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Uh. And And this is why The New York Times
ran on the front page a story about starvation with
a kid who wasn't starving but had a congeneral birth defect.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Had nothing to do with with.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Starvation of the population around him, had nothing with him starving,
even it was just a very sad case. You know,
it would be like, you know, if you put it
if you put a child on the front page with
no legs and claim that the Israelis had blown his
legs off with a land mine or something, and then
it turns out, no, he's actually just born that way.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, then why are you blaming the Israelis for it.
They had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It's really the same, uh, you know, moral obtuseness on
display from what's supposed to be the most reputable paper
in the country.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It clearly isn't, but that's what they say.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So yeah, I think that the people who saw this
with moral clarity for the last two years have been
entirely vindicated, not just by the way that the Trump
Agreement has come together, but also by the actions of
the various parties afterwards. So there should be some real
soul searching from even some people on the right Lisa
(16:25):
who I think started to get this really wrong. And
I have no enemies to the rights, so I don't
name names or get into that kind of pettiness. But
for anybody who started to think, oh, Israel is intentionally
starving to death the people of Gaza, they should ask
themselves why was I fooled?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah? Why did I believe that obvious lie?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
What pressure, you know, especially saying just the show force,
you know, President Trump joined by more than twenty world
leaders in Egypt on stage and being able.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
To get this done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What kind of pressure does that put on like Russia
and Ukraine to resolve that war, and then also what
sort of pressure does this put on like China maybe
looking to take Taiwan.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Well, this comes all together in what I think you
could call the Trump effect.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Lisa, and I'll kind of work backwards in your question because,
as you know, because we're friends and you were aware
of my recent travels.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I just got back from Taiwan.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I had a long interview with the President, as well
as sit downs behind closed doors with the Vice President,
the National Security Advide, I mean, everybody in Taiwan who's
making decisions about defense and national security at the highest level.
And spent a whole week there going to military bases,
going to drone factories, go just seeing what's going on.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And one thing that really.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Stuck out to me was they said that after Trump
hit the Iranian nuclear facilities, and they wouldn't tell me,
they didn't want to go to sources and methods, but
they said, let me tell you that rattled Beijing, meaning
that rattled Chijin paying in the Chinese Communist Party, because
what it showed was that Trump was willing to throw
the punch that he thinks is necessary irrespective of what
(18:06):
the status quo has been, and all the predecessors in
that group think that consensus that we were talking about before, and.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So that Lisa.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
The strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities had reverberations in
certainly the Taiwanese capital Taipei, meaning that it was heartening
for them, and in Beijing it was, oh wow, this
guy means business.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now. I think that also when you add that to what.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
We've just seen with the Midi's peace deal, Putin is
getting more It's going to be getting more pressure on this.
Trump does want to bring that to a conclusion as well.
And I think that there was some goodwill between Trump
and Putin, just on a man demand level. I'm not
saying that Trump agrees with everything Putin does. Obviously Putin's
(18:55):
a bad guy in so many ways, but I think
that there was a an adversarial respect between the two
of them that Trump now has decided, Oh no, you're
actually just a dirt bag, like you're not willing to
man demand, meet me in good faith and try to
bring this you know, tell me what you need, tell
(19:15):
me how we end this thing, tell me how we
can stop the killing. And now I think going into
this Trump is going to have a more adversarial approach
to Putin and to put greater pressure on him. And
I feel like he's got the you know, if we're
talking in basketball analogies, Trump's got the hot hand right now,
and you don't want to get in the way of that.
(19:37):
You don't want to be on the other side of that,
on the other team. So that means to me that
there's going to be a really renewed effort here. He
obviously is willing to push Zelenski a lot, but he's
shown a willingness to snap more in the other direction
and put that pressure on Putin at least talk about
turning on the pressure on Putin and that could bring
about the result that we're all hoping for, which is
(19:58):
an end of that conflict as well.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Absolutely, Buck Sexton, appreciate you for taking the time to
join the show.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Anytime, Lisa, Thanks for having me those Bucks Sexton.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You can listen throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Also to thank my producer John Cassio for putting the
show together.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
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