In this episode, Lisa welcomes her good friend, NY Post columnist, & Clay & Buck Podcast Network host, Karol Markowicz to discuss the alarming rise in anti-Semitic violence in the U.S. They highlight incidents such as attacks on the Pennsylvania governor's mansion, Israeli embassy staffers, and elderly Jewish individuals in Boulder, Colorado. The conversation explores the political landscape, noting a higher occurrence of violence in liberal areas and questioning Jewish voting patterns. They also discuss the implications of immigration policies under the Biden administration and the broader societal and geopolitical impacts of anti-Semitism. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Today, I'm joined by.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. She's the host
of The Carol Markowitz Show. She's also a New York
Post columnist. She's going to unpack a chilling wave of
violence that we've seen in the country, chilling wave of
left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from the attack on
the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion to the execution of Israeli embassy
(00:25):
staffers in Washington, DC, and then now over the weekend,
elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. What's happening,
Why is this happening, Where is this going. We're also
going to dig into the suspects expired visa and the
Biden administration's decision.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
To give that suspect a work permit despite.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
The fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact
that he was denied a visa in two thousand and
five but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also,
is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We'll explore all that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And more in the wake of the October seventh massacre.
Stay tuned for my friend Carol Mark Woitz.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Carol, it is so great.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To have you on the show. I just love you
so much. You're one of my best friends, and you're
an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that
before we get into some heavy stocks way.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, you are one of my absolute faves.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I love knowing you, and I am so happy to
be on with you.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm too, well, I'm happy that you're on with You're
picking up what I'm putting down.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know, Carol, We've talked a lot since October seventh,
just about everything we've seen in the world. I've mentioned
to you before that, you know, I feel kind of
ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant,
both here in the United States and abroad as well.
I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have
seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It
(01:58):
was torched because Er Joshapiro is Jewish to Israeli embassy
staffers executed to Washington, DC. And I always saw elderly
Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
What the hell is going on?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks
is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is
not a coincidence. In blue areas. First of all, people
can't fight back, right. There are a lot of gun
laws that prohibit people from carrying, and it's much more
(02:35):
difficult for people to do something when attacked. The attackers
know this, and that is why it's happening the way
it's happening, you know. I've spoken to other Floridians and
just watching the Boulder attack unfold, and how long he
was on his feet and hurting people and yelling. He'd
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be dead before the police car ever arrived in Flow.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
To launch attacks like this, and the fact.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That they're not in blue areas is a real tell.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'm not naive.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts
of the country. Obviously could happen anywhere. But what I've
been saying for decades, literally decades, writing about this topic
is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing, and it's
not that I think anti semits will just die out
and there won't be anymore into Semitism. It's an age
(03:36):
old problem. But what we're looking for when we see
antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community,
the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way
it seemed, for example, in France over the last decade plus,
that's a real problem for me. But in America, I've
(03:56):
seen people are outraged, you know, who don't have to
be are outraged, and the government is taking such action.
Dan Bongino of the FBI calling it a terrorist attack
right away, Donald Trump truth thing about it and saying
that this kind of thing will not stand. The Justice
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Department immediately filing federal charges. This is the reaction I
want to see from my society, and I'm really happy
to see it in America.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas.
And then also, I mean it seems like, you know,
obviously there's anti semitism on both sides, but it does
seem to be more predominant on.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
The left for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And then also just like a lot of cowardice on
the left and not calling this out. I mean, you
just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from
President Trump and Dan Bongino, So I guess why did
Jewish people keep voting for Democrats? Then, you know, it
seems like it would be voting against your survival, to
be perfectly honest.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that
I've cared about for a long time and something that
I've really hated about my community for a long time.
I will say that I think there's been a tea
change in the last few years. And these kinds of
things do take time. But according to my calculations, and
(05:20):
I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places,
I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind
of a numbers breakdown of this.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I have it on a sub stack from a few
months ago.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I think Donald Trump got in the forties percent of
the Jewish vote. I think he's in the forty five,
maybe even as high as forty seven percent of the
Jewish vote. And that's giant leap from his thirty percent
in twenty twenty. But even thirty percent was already on
the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was
something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came
from the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Other immigrant groups were always Republican because we came from
crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, no more
of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn was always
very Republican, and I always felt safe and comfortable being
a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my community was
conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. But
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the American Jews who have been here for generations and generations,
and they missed World War Two, they missed the Pilgrims
in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. They've been
so safe in America for so long that they became
liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. I
think now things are coming around and their understanding.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That they can't do that anymore. And I love to
see it. Personally.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican
for the very first time in this last election. I
have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump and
it was their first Republican vote, and I don't see
them going back. I think once you've made the leap,
I don't think they're going to vote Democrat. Ever again, you've.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Carrol
on the other side. You look at these suspects shouting
free Palestine. Is that any different than the albar chance
that we've heard from ISIS terrorists or are they the
same people?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Is it the same?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's the same.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's the same radical isam on our streets. It's the
same thing. And you know, the people call it the
leftist omni cause. But it could be anything, right, people
are destroying property for climate change, or it all could just.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Head toward a violent direction.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Look what you had Luigi Mangioni shooting a healthcare executive
on the streets of New York City. He just felt
justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the
leftist goal, and the leftist message is if you don't
like something, you can use violence to stop it. And
you see this even in the reactions of these last
(08:04):
few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing
up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that
Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist.
So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can
just kill Zionists at will. That's going to reach far
more people than just the Jewish community.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We look at the fact that this suspect in the
Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because
he's not worth it's not worth saying. But he's denied
a visa in two thousand and five. He's Egyptian, and
then he arrived in twenty twenty two on a non
immigrant visa. It expired, and then even after it expired,
the Biden administration created.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Him a work permit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
We see that Trump adminstration has taken a lot of
heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on
legal immigration and who we're giving visas to.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But doesn't this just make their case.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Oh yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that
this went on for so long. I mean, just in
the last few years watching the border problem. I don't know,
he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's the fact that people.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in.
It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here, and
obviously this could be, you know, a problem for us
going forward. I think that we get to a place
where we feel safe and then we trust our government
to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration
(09:34):
simply did not do that. And it's crazy to me
that the left took so long. And I don't know
that they're necessarily even still there yet, but the idea
that they permitted this to go on in the name
of opposing Republicans, like they couldn't have felt good about
illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw this on Martha's vineyard,
(09:55):
you know, when they had illegal immigrants shipped to them,
they immediately got them off the eyeland because nobody wants
that in their communities. So the fact that Americans were
so quiet about it, and leftist liberal Americans were so
quiet about it for so long, I think that that's
really crazy to me. You know, our friend Kurt Schlichter
(10:16):
had this book called The Attack, and it was about
an October seventh style attack happening in America. It's a
fictional book, but it's so likely when you don't know
who's coming into your country. There's so many people that
want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We
allowed our borders to be wide open for so long
(10:36):
where millions of people came in and we don't know
who they are. We're in danger. It is a dangerous
time in America.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I really do worry that we have just let in
so many people who you know, who have Daori's sympathies, right,
and we haven't even we don't even know.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for
a very long time. Unfortunately. I'm going to add as people.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
You know, again, I'm an immigrant, I'm not against immigration,
but we've gone like just in such a bananas place.
Like when I immigrated to this country, we had to
prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove
that we were not going to be a danger to
this country.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
We had to prove that somebody would be taking care
of us.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
We didn't arrive and say where's my free hotel room
and where's my free everything. That just did not happen.
And so the idea that we've tossed out this process
that we used to have. I understand why support for
all immigration is down because you can't even trust that
the process is going to work in the future. If
Donald Trump implements an immigration process, you know, in his
(11:44):
four years in office, we don't know what Democrats are
going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration
insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea
of legal.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not against people coming here legally.
I just think that it's a privilege, not a right.
And I don't think we need people to come here
legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone
that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have
to want to be a part of America. They have
to want to be a contributing factor, you know, Like
(12:19):
it's it's like, should be the most exclusive club to
ever get.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Into, exactly, and instead they had. Instead we're taking like
fake id's you know.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's like, you know, it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know, I've been thinking about this for a while.
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You look at October seventh, twenty twenty three, it's equivalent
to what.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We saw in nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if
you were to compare that to the United States with
our population size, it'd be over thirty six thousand people
who died. And so I just for the people criticizing
Israel's response and look like no country is perfect. But
for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is your
response to a nine to eleven terror attack? Because you
(13:03):
could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed
in Afghanistan way too long, but between two thousand and
one and twenty twenty one, we dropped over eighty thousand
bombs and munitions and response to nine to eleven, So
it's like, what is the appropriate response to a nine
to eleven terror attack?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And I think that what people don't get about Israel
is also Afghanistan's far away from US. Afghanistan's not going
to invade US. It's they live with this spear all
the time. The Gaza is right there, Lebanon is very close.
All of this is super close to Israel, and they're
constantly under attack. Every night they're under attack. Our friend
(13:43):
Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago.
The sirens went off while his show was going on,
and his show happens to be in a bunker, so
they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep
continue the show. But that's how they live. And you know,
there's been this conversation over the last few months in
America whether or not you need to visit a place
(14:03):
like Israel to understand it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I think you do.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that.
It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's about seeing the culture.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Israeli culture is a culture that loves to live. It
is a very alive place. It is a very normal place.
It will feel familiar to when you visit. It's a
culture very similar to ours. They just want to live freely,
they want to raise their children, they want to have
a healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with
(14:36):
the Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the
land for peace, They've tried a million different times to
make different peace deals.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It just never.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace,
and it's not to have land for their people and
it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel,
and Israel can have that. So the idea that but
you know, some kind of something that Israel could give
the Palestinians to make them stop attacking, there really isn't anything.
(15:09):
So they have to destroy Hamas. They have to destroy Hasbolah,
and they have to kind of live in a way
that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on
the defense, and it's a really tough way to live.
And Israel, believe me, is such a peacenick society. So
many people that died on October seventh were peace knicks
(15:29):
who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side.
The people who were marching in Colorado the other day peacenicks.
They all they want is the hostages back, and they
want an end to the war, and they want peace
with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep
being murdered by Hamas.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps,
you know, because you do have a lot of people
that have been displaced already that will probably continue to
be displaced. So it's like, I don't really like, I
totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't
make sense at this point, because how do you live
alongside people who kill you?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But then I'll see what do you do with all
those people as well?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
So I don't I mean, it is challenging, and I
truly don't know what the right answer is.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion,
is fully dead. I can't you know, you can't reward
October seventh with a state. You can't say, oh, you
killed all these people and you did all these horrible things.
Here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think
that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for
(16:39):
a two state solution. They the right wing in Israel
wanted a two state solution. It was something that was
extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it
no longer is because they get that it's not a
state that the Palestinians want. They want a one state
solution that does not include Israel. And again they can't
(17:00):
have that happen. So I don't know, I don't know
what comes next. I you know, when Donald Trump took
office and he was talking about we would you know,
maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's sort of where the future is.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Headed, where they are not going to get to control
their own land because they've done so many horrible things
and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves.
So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis
don't want to be in Gaza. They didn't they left
Gaza and I think it's two thousand and three and
(17:37):
they didn't want to be there, so they don't want
to be there now. But I don't know what the
future will hold for them because I can't see them
just returning Gaza to the hamas leadership.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well do you think you know?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's like you talked about the the Trump uh Gaza Hotel,
and I mean it's interesting because President Trump does this
philosophy and he's been able to do things that previous
presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords, and you know,
conversations that previous presidents couldn't have and respect that he's
getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle East
(18:09):
and from some of these golf states.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I thought his lying when he was in.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Saudi Arabia that the future of the Middle East is commerce,
not chaos.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right. I really like that speech me too.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
He gets it in a way that other people don't
that like, when you have these mutual economic ties, you
have a shared desire for stability.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But sorry, continue no, Yeah, I was going to.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Say, I agree, And the only thing I would say
is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It is the thing that to get over.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for
so long and then these fundamentalists came into power in
the late seventies and now they don't.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And so the.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Mulas don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald, they don't
want to do business with other countries. They just want
to subjugate their population and to keep them under control.
And so it's a real tough situation, but it will
involve a change of leadership in some places. I think
Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now,
(19:21):
and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries
that are in that better place where they do want
a better life life for their people. I don't think
that some of these countries care about whether their people
are leading better lives.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't think that's the point for them at all.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Although there are Arab states that you know, that want
to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize,
you know, hopefully they can be shut Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Exactly, those countries help stabilize the rest.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know, that's that's the goal, right Carol. I love you,
my friend. Is there anything else you'd.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like to leave us with before we go?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I just want to say that, Lisa Bouth, this is
the absolute and I love you and we are going
to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited
for that right now.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I can't wait. I've missed you a.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Lot of hugging selfies.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yes we're like two ships in the night, but not
not this week.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So great.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yes, all right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time.
Thank you, Lisa, it was Carol Markwoodz.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week until next time.
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Today, I'm joined by.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. She's the host
of The Carol Markowitz Show. She's also a New York
Post columnist. She's going to unpack a chilling wave of
violence that we've seen in the country, chilling wave of
left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from the attack on
the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion to the execution of Israeli embassy
(00:25):
staffers in Washington, DC, and then now over the weekend,
elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. What's happening,
Why is this happening, Where is this going. We're also
going to dig into the suspects expired visa and the
Biden administration's decision.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
To give that suspect a work permit despite.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
The fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact
that he was denied a visa in two thousand and
five but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also,
is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We'll explore all that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And more in the wake of the October seventh massacre.
Stay tuned for my friend Carol Mark Woitz.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Carol, it is so great.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To have you on the show. I just love you
so much. You're one of my best friends, and you're
an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that
before we get into some heavy stocks way.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, you are one of my absolute faves.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I love knowing you, and I am so happy to
be on with you.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm too, well, I'm happy that you're on with You're
picking up what I'm putting down.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know, Carol, We've talked a lot since October seventh,
just about everything we've seen in the world. I've mentioned
to you before that, you know, I feel kind of
ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant,
both here in the United States and abroad as well.
I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have
seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It
(01:58):
was torched because Er Joshapiro is Jewish to Israeli embassy
staffers executed to Washington, DC. And I always saw elderly
Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
What the hell is going on?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks
is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is
not a coincidence. In blue areas. First of all, people
can't fight back, right. There are a lot of gun
laws that prohibit people from carrying, and it's much more
(02:35):
difficult for people to do something when attacked. The attackers
know this, and that is why it's happening the way
it's happening, you know. I've spoken to other Floridians and
just watching the Boulder attack unfold, and how long he
was on his feet and hurting people and yelling. He'd
(02:56):
be dead before the police car ever arrived in Flow.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
To launch attacks like this, and the fact.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That they're not in blue areas is a real tell.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'm not naive.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts
of the country. Obviously could happen anywhere. But what I've
been saying for decades, literally decades, writing about this topic
is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing, and it's
not that I think anti semits will just die out
and there won't be anymore into Semitism. It's an age
(03:36):
old problem. But what we're looking for when we see
antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community,
the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way
it seemed, for example, in France over the last decade plus,
that's a real problem for me. But in America, I've
(03:56):
seen people are outraged, you know, who don't have to
be are outraged, and the government is taking such action.
Dan Bongino of the FBI calling it a terrorist attack
right away, Donald Trump truth thing about it and saying
that this kind of thing will not stand. The Justice
(04:18):
Department immediately filing federal charges. This is the reaction I
want to see from my society, and I'm really happy
to see it in America.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas.
And then also, I mean it seems like, you know,
obviously there's anti semitism on both sides, but it does
seem to be more predominant on.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
The left for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And then also just like a lot of cowardice on
the left and not calling this out. I mean, you
just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from
President Trump and Dan Bongino, So I guess why did
Jewish people keep voting for Democrats? Then, you know, it
seems like it would be voting against your survival, to
be perfectly honest.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that
I've cared about for a long time and something that
I've really hated about my community for a long time.
I will say that I think there's been a tea
change in the last few years. And these kinds of
things do take time. But according to my calculations, and
(05:20):
I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places,
I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind
of a numbers breakdown of this.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I have it on a sub stack from a few
months ago.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I think Donald Trump got in the forties percent of
the Jewish vote. I think he's in the forty five,
maybe even as high as forty seven percent of the
Jewish vote. And that's giant leap from his thirty percent
in twenty twenty. But even thirty percent was already on
the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was
something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came
from the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Other immigrant groups were always Republican because we came from
crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, no more
of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn was always
very Republican, and I always felt safe and comfortable being
a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my community was
conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. But
(06:23):
the American Jews who have been here for generations and generations,
and they missed World War Two, they missed the Pilgrims
in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. They've been
so safe in America for so long that they became
liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. I
think now things are coming around and their understanding.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That they can't do that anymore. And I love to
see it. Personally.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican
for the very first time in this last election. I
have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump and
it was their first Republican vote, and I don't see
them going back. I think once you've made the leap,
I don't think they're going to vote Democrat. Ever again, you've.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Carrol
on the other side. You look at these suspects shouting
free Palestine. Is that any different than the albar chance
that we've heard from ISIS terrorists or are they the
same people?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Is it the same?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's the same.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's the same radical isam on our streets. It's the
same thing. And you know, the people call it the
leftist omni cause. But it could be anything, right, people
are destroying property for climate change, or it all could just.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Head toward a violent direction.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Look what you had Luigi Mangioni shooting a healthcare executive
on the streets of New York City. He just felt
justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the
leftist goal, and the leftist message is if you don't
like something, you can use violence to stop it. And
you see this even in the reactions of these last
(08:04):
few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing
up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that
Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist.
So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can
just kill Zionists at will. That's going to reach far
more people than just the Jewish community.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
We look at the fact that this suspect in the
Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because
he's not worth it's not worth saying. But he's denied
a visa in two thousand and five. He's Egyptian, and
then he arrived in twenty twenty two on a non
immigrant visa. It expired, and then even after it expired,
the Biden administration created.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Him a work permit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
We see that Trump adminstration has taken a lot of
heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on
legal immigration and who we're giving visas to.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But doesn't this just make their case.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Oh yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that
this went on for so long. I mean, just in
the last few years watching the border problem. I don't know,
he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's the fact that people.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in.
It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here, and
obviously this could be, you know, a problem for us
going forward. I think that we get to a place
where we feel safe and then we trust our government
to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration
(09:34):
simply did not do that. And it's crazy to me
that the left took so long. And I don't know
that they're necessarily even still there yet, but the idea
that they permitted this to go on in the name
of opposing Republicans, like they couldn't have felt good about
illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw this on Martha's vineyard,
(09:55):
you know, when they had illegal immigrants shipped to them,
they immediately got them off the eyeland because nobody wants
that in their communities. So the fact that Americans were
so quiet about it, and leftist liberal Americans were so
quiet about it for so long, I think that that's
really crazy to me. You know, our friend Kurt Schlichter
(10:16):
had this book called The Attack, and it was about
an October seventh style attack happening in America. It's a
fictional book, but it's so likely when you don't know
who's coming into your country. There's so many people that
want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We
allowed our borders to be wide open for so long
(10:36):
where millions of people came in and we don't know
who they are. We're in danger. It is a dangerous
time in America.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I really do worry that we have just let in
so many people who you know, who have Daori's sympathies, right,
and we haven't even we don't even know.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for
a very long time. Unfortunately. I'm going to add as people.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
You know, again, I'm an immigrant, I'm not against immigration,
but we've gone like just in such a bananas place.
Like when I immigrated to this country, we had to
prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove
that we were not going to be a danger to
this country.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
We had to prove that somebody would be taking care
of us.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
We didn't arrive and say where's my free hotel room
and where's my free everything. That just did not happen.
And so the idea that we've tossed out this process
that we used to have. I understand why support for
all immigration is down because you can't even trust that
the process is going to work in the future. If
Donald Trump implements an immigration process, you know, in his
(11:44):
four years in office, we don't know what Democrats are
going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration
insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea
of legal.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not against people coming here legally.
I just think that it's a privilege, not a right.
And I don't think we need people to come here
legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone
that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have
to want to be a part of America. They have
to want to be a contributing factor, you know, Like
(12:19):
it's it's like, should be the most exclusive club to
ever get.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Into, exactly, and instead they had. Instead we're taking like
fake id's you know.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's like, you know, it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know, I've been thinking about this for a while.
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You look at October seventh, twenty twenty three, it's equivalent
to what.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We saw in nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if
you were to compare that to the United States with
our population size, it'd be over thirty six thousand people
who died. And so I just for the people criticizing
Israel's response and look like no country is perfect. But
for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is your
response to a nine to eleven terror attack? Because you
(13:03):
could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed
in Afghanistan way too long, but between two thousand and
one and twenty twenty one, we dropped over eighty thousand
bombs and munitions and response to nine to eleven, So
it's like, what is the appropriate response to a nine
to eleven terror attack?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And I think that what people don't get about Israel
is also Afghanistan's far away from US. Afghanistan's not going
to invade US. It's they live with this spear all
the time. The Gaza is right there, Lebanon is very close.
All of this is super close to Israel, and they're
constantly under attack. Every night they're under attack. Our friend
(13:43):
Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago.
The sirens went off while his show was going on,
and his show happens to be in a bunker, so
they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep
continue the show. But that's how they live. And you know,
there's been this conversation over the last few months in
America whether or not you need to visit a place
(14:03):
like Israel to understand it.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I think you do.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that.
It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's about seeing the culture.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Israeli culture is a culture that loves to live. It
is a very alive place. It is a very normal place.
It will feel familiar to when you visit. It's a
culture very similar to ours. They just want to live freely,
they want to raise their children, they want to have
a healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with
(14:36):
the Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the
land for peace, They've tried a million different times to
make different peace deals.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It just never.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace,
and it's not to have land for their people and
it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel,
and Israel can have that. So the idea that but
you know, some kind of something that Israel could give
the Palestinians to make them stop attacking, there really isn't anything.
(15:09):
So they have to destroy Hamas. They have to destroy Hasbolah,
and they have to kind of live in a way
that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on
the defense, and it's a really tough way to live.
And Israel, believe me, is such a peacenick society. So
many people that died on October seventh were peace knicks
(15:29):
who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side.
The people who were marching in Colorado the other day peacenicks.
They all they want is the hostages back, and they
want an end to the war, and they want peace
with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep
being murdered by Hamas.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps,
you know, because you do have a lot of people
that have been displaced already that will probably continue to
be displaced. So it's like, I don't really like, I
totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't
make sense at this point, because how do you live
alongside people who kill you?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But then I'll see what do you do with all
those people as well?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
So I don't I mean, it is challenging, and I
truly don't know what the right answer is.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion,
is fully dead. I can't you know, you can't reward
October seventh with a state. You can't say, oh, you
killed all these people and you did all these horrible things.
Here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think
that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for
(16:39):
a two state solution. They the right wing in Israel
wanted a two state solution. It was something that was
extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it
no longer is because they get that it's not a
state that the Palestinians want. They want a one state
solution that does not include Israel. And again they can't
(17:00):
have that happen. So I don't know, I don't know
what comes next. I you know, when Donald Trump took
office and he was talking about we would you know,
maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's sort of where the future is.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Headed, where they are not going to get to control
their own land because they've done so many horrible things
and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves.
So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis
don't want to be in Gaza. They didn't they left
Gaza and I think it's two thousand and three and
(17:37):
they didn't want to be there, so they don't want
to be there now. But I don't know what the
future will hold for them because I can't see them
just returning Gaza to the hamas leadership.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well do you think you know?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's like you talked about the the Trump uh Gaza Hotel,
and I mean it's interesting because President Trump does this
philosophy and he's been able to do things that previous
presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords, and you know,
conversations that previous presidents couldn't have and respect that he's
getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle East
(18:09):
and from some of these golf states.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I thought his lying when he was in.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Saudi Arabia that the future of the Middle East is commerce,
not chaos.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right. I really like that speech me too.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
He gets it in a way that other people don't
that like, when you have these mutual economic ties, you
have a shared desire for stability.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But sorry, continue no, Yeah, I was going to.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Say, I agree, And the only thing I would say
is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It is the thing that to get over.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for
so long and then these fundamentalists came into power in
the late seventies and now they don't.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And so the.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Mulas don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald, they don't
want to do business with other countries. They just want
to subjugate their population and to keep them under control.
And so it's a real tough situation, but it will
involve a change of leadership in some places. I think
Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now,
(19:21):
and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries
that are in that better place where they do want
a better life life for their people. I don't think
that some of these countries care about whether their people
are leading better lives.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't think that's the point for them at all.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Although there are Arab states that you know, that want
to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize,
you know, hopefully they can be shut Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Exactly, those countries help stabilize the rest.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know, that's that's the goal, right Carol. I love you,
my friend. Is there anything else you'd.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Like to leave us with before we go?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I just want to say that, Lisa Bouth, this is
the absolute and I love you and we are going
to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited
for that right now.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I can't wait. I've missed you a.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Lot of hugging selfies.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yes we're like two ships in the night, but not
not this week.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
So great.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yes, all right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time.
Thank you, Lisa, it was Carol Markwoodz.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week until next time.
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