In this episode, Tudor and investigative reporter Philip Lenczycki delve into the concerning influence of China in the United States. They discuss various instances of Chinese nationals involved in espionage, political connections, and the implications of Chinese ownership of farmland near military bases. Lenczycki highlights the infiltration of local governments by individuals connected to the Chinese Communist Party and the establishment of a shadow justice system that operates outside of U.S. law. The conversation raises alarms about the potential for destabilization and the need for vigilance against foreign influence. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are going to
be exposing some truths today that you may not have
heard about when it comes to China being involved in
things in the United States. And that is specifically, if
China is involved, you need to understand that the CCP
is involved, that the Chinese government is involved. So we
(00:21):
decided we had to find someone who was an expert
on this. I've got Philip Linziki with us. He is
a senior investigative reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation
and one of the most fervent China watchers in the
media space. So tell us what is going on? What
is the truth about what is going on with China
in the United States. We've reported extensively on Ghoshen here
(00:43):
because I'm here in Michigan. But I know and I
know you did a great job of covering that. Tell
us a little bit about what is actually going on
and the true dangers of it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, thank you so much for having me on today.
And it's not good. It's not good. We're under a
check We've been under attack now for decades, and you know,
the short of it is that our leaders more or
less don't want to acknowledge that there is this Cold
War occurring, or when they do, it seems that they've
(01:17):
got some you know, memory issues, because just a showpik
later they'll go back to their old ways. We are seeing,
you know, time and again that within really any sector
you can, you know, look at in the United States,
whether it's academia or business or politics, there is this
specter of Chinese influenced intelligence operations that can be discovered
(01:43):
with Really, as much as I'd like to think that
my work is that great, really it's it's open source ultimately,
and anyone that has the inclination to look for it
will be able to find it. And so that's what's
really concerning is that it's out in the open.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think that's been something that in Michigan we have
been somewhat like shocked by time and time again, because
we had the Chinese nationals that were spying on the
military base, we had the Chinese national who voted in
our election. Obviously, the Goshen story of the Chinese company
coming in and buying farmland and there was a lot
of corruption in that, and then the idea that they
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were going to build a factory here that was also
close to military base. And then the most recent one,
which I think has somewhat scared the entire country, is
these Chinese nationals that were studying at the University of Michigan.
They brought in a bio weapon or hazard biohazardous material
that could have been turned into a bioweapon to research
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here in the United States. And this came to light,
people started saying, wait, how does that even happen? But
to your point, it's sort of like it's kind of
like an open secret. It's not very hard to find.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Indeed, and so you know, to your last point, after
that story broke about the individuals at the University of Michigan,
I believe, you know, I went on to try to
figure out, okay, what is known about these folks that's
you know, still on the website for their alma mater
back in China, which I believe is the University of
ju Jong, And so I went on there, and indeed
(03:21):
you can find that, you know, one of these individuals
the members of the Chinesecamis party, and another uh you
know individual on Twitter found even more just after it broke.
So it raised a lot of questions and they're uncomfortable ones,
given that they are not certainly not the only individuals
within their department or in their school who speak Chinese,
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and you'd think that their colleagues would have been able
to look into their backgrounds, and you know, just heavially
come upon this. We don't hear a lot about that.
I'd like to believe that individuals are you know, informing
when they find these type of things in their purview.
But my suspicion is it happens less frequently than we'd like.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, and I hate to say it, but it sounds
like some of these folks that are authorized, I mean,
you're not coming to the United States unless you are
authorized by the Chinese government. If you are a Chinese
citizen and you are studying in the United States, they
authorized you to come here, they signed off on the visa,
they signed off on everything. They're allowing you to be here.
We've too often heard that there are folks that are
(04:29):
over here and they're loyal regardless of being here. They
are still loyal to the CCP, whether they are working
for them or not. To come out and kind of
tattle would be somewhat unheard of, wouldn't it be.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You'd think so Yeah, the situation, by my lights, appears
to be that individuals come here for a number of
different reasons. You know, Opportunity is obviously a big one.
If you have a chance to study at Harvard or
work in a great company, I'm sure that that's something
that you're chomping the bit to do. However, with that
(05:03):
comes an issue, which is that this is likely going
to become known through your you know, visa application process
or whatever it is, to the Chinese government that you
are now at Harvard or wherever you are. And from
what I hear, even if let's say, before you leave,
you're not approached by state security, oftentimes maybe when you
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return you might be invited to, as they say, have
a cup of tea, and so at that point they
might just you know, pick your brain and find out
what all you're involved in and then plant some ideas
about things that would, you know, please the state where
it to occur. And I think that it's sort of
we have to imagine it's it's very mafia esque the
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way that they operate, and there are oftentimes just implications
of what is required of you, and folks go along
it out of fear or out of you know, sympathy interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I want to dig in a little bit to
Tim Walls. And I want to do this because we
watched throughout the election while he was talking about China
and there was questions over his Chinese ties, and you
reported on his Chinese ties because I think a lot
of people were concerned about, well, why did you choose
to honeymoon there? Why did you live there for so long?
(06:27):
But recently when we went over and attacked Iron and
there was a conversation about how to bring peace, Tim
Walls when he was asked, well, how do we do
this now? He said, I think the only moral authority
is China. No, you just talked about them as mafia,
mafia ask you know, and he's saying they're the only
moral authority.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That was outrageous that I can't believe you said that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But what does that mean about who he is?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It means a moron and he's compromised. I mean, I
don't really know how to sugarcoat that. There are so
many signs that point to him either being compromised or
just being you know, room temperature, I Q and I'm
not really sure what's going on. He's certainly a smooth
talker at times and then other times you can just
see that he's in over his head. And so when
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we investigated him, we found a number of disturbing realities.
So these unfortunately go back, you know, to the beginning
of his relationship with China, where you know, he's making
these trips, and we found that reported in you know,
the local and Nebraska papers. Back then he had brought
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officials from a Chinese university who we determined were uh,
you know, members of the Chinese Thomas Party over and
had them meet the students and you know, like likely
you know ingratiate themselves with the town generally. And this
trend continued through his life where he made maintain relationships
with certain individuals who were in these sort of dubious
(08:05):
positions and he began to benefit from them greatly, where
he was receiving you know, votes and money for his campaign.
And then eventually, in one of our pieces, we found
that he had appointed to the you know, States Asian
Affairs Commission an individual who himself is a member of
(08:28):
a minor political party in China and has been reporting
back and writing papers for their you know, Department of
Justice justice equivalent, So not a good. Look it's happening
right under his nose again and again.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, well that's what I think with elected officials. Tim Mault.
He's an interesting one because I think that, like you said,
he is either involved or he's naive about this, but
he almost comes off as childlike. And that was the
weird thing about choosing him as a running mate is
that I think they thought that that was how to like,
(09:02):
he was a guys guy. But for people who are
around me, masculine guy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He's masculine though you know, he's going to get those
those guys to really vote.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's what they thought, That's what they I mean, that's
what I'm like, what do they think guys are like?
Because I felt he was very childlike.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And something weird is going on with him. I can't
put my finger on it, and I can't read minds,
but you know, there were certainly, you know, some interesting
glimpses into his psyche during his debate with Jadie Vance. Yeah,
and there were also some ugly moments, you know, on
stage with his son at one point if you recall,
(09:41):
you know, maybe a dark side appearing. I don't know,
it's like to be on the campaign trail myself. I'm
sure it's quite stressful, so I'd like to be gracious
about that, but you know, it's concerning and I don't
know exactly what the reason was for selecting him.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So I think that the point here wanted. Something I
want to get to with talking about him is that
he was You talked about him having someone in government.
I mean, obviously Gretchen Whitmer has been very close to
the people of Goshen, and there's been some concern over
how close and how involved the local people were with
(10:16):
the CCP, and then the people that came over who
were becoming local people that were from the CCP. There's
a trend across the country, it seems, where we have
Chinese nationals connected to the CCP getting into local governments
and state governments. I want to talk about La because
you recently broke a story about the La mayor, Karen
(10:39):
Bass having a Chinese national that was like feeding intel
back in her camp and this, and they were highly
connected and even the father I believe was connected to
the CCP. So explain a little bit about that. And
from the standpoint of it is important to know that
whether or not you're elected official is aware that oftentimes
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they are inviting an adversary right into your state or
local government.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Certainly, and there's a long, you know, pattern that we
can see going back to you know, Dianne Feinstein and
this individual Russell Lowe, who was.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Oh that's right, yes, driver.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
There's Eric Swallow with Fang Fang Feng Fang knew this
Russell low individual, you know, And we can see this
going on with Eric Adams and Winnie Greco with the
governor of New York local and Linda Son and lind
the Sun was working for Grace Mung. I mean, it
goes on and on, and now there's so many different
individuals where we've seen this same type of thing play out.
In the case of Aaron Bass, what happened there is
(11:43):
that there's an individual his name is Derek mas Chinese
name is Mashu Rong, and he is a member of
multiple Chinese influence and intelligence organizations according to federal sources.
So this individual had held fundraisers and press events for
Bass with Bass in attendance, and his son Adam was
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present at at least one of these, and at Bass's inauguration,
Derek Ma and his wife appeared that took photos with her,
and at that time Chinese media reported that he was
very happy, and he said one of the reasons he
was happy was that his son had gotten a position
in Karen Bass's administration. And so at the start he
(12:30):
was on sort of like I believe, in an advisory
capacity for over overseeing appointments. And then that position has
sort of morphed into things having to do with again
Asian liaison and LGBT liaison or something like that. But
there's photos and video of them, you know, together in
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a way that is different than just some random person.
This is them in a parade as the only two
people in passengers in the parade float car minus the driver,
again and again, and this raised a lot of questions.
Adam Ma to be very clear, the song, we didn't
find that he is connected to an intelligence agency. However
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his father is. And we found that Adam and the
son is attending events thereafter on behalf of Bass with
you know, personnel from the Chinese consulate who belonged to
these influenced you know, outfits, and he's awarding his father
on behalf of Bass and so it certainly smacks of corruption.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, absolutely, so, So how do you how do you
think that getting into cities like this is I mean,
what is the end game? Obviously LA is a massive
city in the United States and and a highly populated
city where you could do a lot of damage if
you wanted to. But what is the endgame if you
are trying to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's a great question I to speculate. I would imagine
that based on their methods thus far, they are hoping
and I think unfortunately maybe right to hope that they
can destabilize us and defeat us without having to actually
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go into a kinetic fight. And so given our system,
and as we're seeing with the mayor's race in New York,
you can have an individual who came to our country
six years ago who then runs the largest city in
the United States. And this is something that well sufficed
(14:42):
to say doesn't occur in China. And that is an
opportunity that is too good to pass up. So I
believe that there's evidence that they've made a calculated decision
to infiltrate our system through this process. And you know,
there's multiple components to it. There's legal immigration in order
to get you know, uh, you know, high census numbers
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so that they can have additional representatives in certain areas.
There's efforts to have individuals you know, became become community
liaisons and then gain certain types of you know, government positions,
and then their efforts now underway to get individuals just
straight up elected into whatever positions that they can win.
(15:29):
And so, you know, the endgame, to put it into
one word, is colonization. They are colonizing US, as as
are many other nations and and factions. And so I
would encourage your viewers to think about China towns and
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and things of that nature, not as China towns, but
rather as colonies they have. They have a foothold here
and they're going to expand that and impose their rules
and systems on our soil.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
There's no America towns in China.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
No, not so much.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, No, that would not be allowed. And I think
that's that was the message that we kept talking to
people about in Michigan and what's happening here. This is
not actually allowed in China. We can't go and have
our corporation, we can't buy land, we can't own land
in China. We can't have we can't own a building
in China. The United States can't own anything there. We
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can work there, we can ship product here, but it
can't be owned by an American company, and I think
that's hard for people to wrap their heads around. Also
in China, they it's interesting that you mentioned that the
sun was his name, Adam Ma the son, that he
was involved in the LGBTQ community and working with that
(16:54):
community on behalf of the mayor, because that is also
not allowed in China.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
True, and I don't know what his you know, sexual
persuasion is, but it's possible he might be of that community.
And you're absolutely right that it is frowned upon, we
might say, in China, they certainly don't allow it on
their you know, television. So interesting that that's occurring. But
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the way that it works, I think generally is that
the their operatives here and I'm not suggesting that Adam
is one, but their operatives here are given a lot
more latitude than you know, we might imagine. And so
while the consulates are sort of the first or maybe
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second layer of oversight, the first being sort of the
local civic associations, they are operate and I believe probably
even encouraged to maybe even compete against each other. For
you know, you know, influence in this area. So you
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might have an individual who comes from a certain province
or you know, city in China who wants to succeed
in a in a given part of the United States
and then re benefits back for his home province or territory,
and he's competing against an individual from another part of China,
and they're both vying for that in the city of
New York or something like that. And whoever can ultimately,
(18:34):
you know, get more selfies next to Eric Adams or
whatever it is and prove that he's got the closer
connection will be the one that ultimately gets favor from
the powers that be back there, and then they'll give
that person another you know, feather in their cap and say, okay,
well now we're going to have you do this next operation.
So I think that's kind of the way it works.
There is sort of an expectation that these organizations and
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individuals will also ultimately fund their own operations and find
ways to make it work.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. I mean, there has been some
evidence that some of these groups have come in and
they have worked toward destabilization of the country. And I
think that even with the LGBTQ message, there's been a
(19:24):
lot of fighting within that community and the conservative community.
So I feel like there has been an unnatural push
in certain areas to create a destabilization in the country.
There also, I mean, if you look at this biopotential
bioweapon that comes in, what that would do would cause
there to be a food shortage. So if you have
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a few a food shortage, you also have destabilization. Then
suddenly you have chaos, you have fighting. What is this
situation where we have this shadow justice system in US city,
So tell us about a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And so what we found is that similar to and
connected to, in fact, the New York overseas Chinese Police
station that was housed within the America Chang Law Association.
Connected to that, there is a system where the Supreme
People's procuratorret and its regional counterparts will use SCIA cific
(20:26):
associations around the world, partner with them more or less
deputize their leaders to serve as overseas mediators and liaisons
for the court. And so we found that there are
actively current on, you know, within the United States multiple
China civic associations that have set up you know, internal
(20:46):
courts and that they are actually you know, conducting hearings
through you know, Chinese encrypted platforms. And so the America
Chang Law Association, the organization that was running the overseas
police station in New York, we found that that organization
was also involved in this. So on top of running
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a police station, they also had a court. So this
is really concerning given that individuals who have come here
and they might be seeking to just you know, more
or less make their own way and not have to
deal with China anymore, they might be suckered into sort
of participating in this. If should they have some type
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of business relationship, you know, continuing to import or something
like that from China, their finances might be tied up,
and their family members might also be sort of under
the purview of the system. And so it's not impossible
to think that, given that the America Chungal Association was
(21:48):
apparently hunting dissidents on behalf of the Ministry of Public Security,
that it could be the case that in the past
or in the future, they might whisk you away from
you know, the street one day and the next minute,
you're who knows, in a warehouse face to face with
a large monitor, and on the other side of the
monitor is a couple judges and your brother and they're
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asking me to do something or else. So that those
are certainly the concerns.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well, and I think that is that's a concern for
American people that wow, there could be somebody who is
living in the US legitimately who is then manipulated by
a foreign entity. But also if you're setting these up,
then why not be for us? Why not be concerned
that there would be you talked about a Cold war?
(22:37):
At what point does this just become a takeover if
we're not careful And then they're like, oh, we've already
got this set up. It's perfect, this can expect to
the home country.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's kind of shocking to me that when it came
to you know, the War on Terror and you know
recent reports about certain things occurring in Texas, there was
I think a pretty uniform uproar concerning like sharia courts.
Folks all were like, we don't want that whatever's going
(23:08):
on in Dearborn, Michigan or whatever else, like, we don't
want to be a part of that. In the South,
the American way. But for this story, I think that
while there was some you know, understandable concern about overseas
police stations the courts, you know, more broadly, there wasn't
that same type of reaction that the Sharia courts are received.
And I think it's likely that the Chinese dr propaganda
(23:32):
is just better, you know, and then you just have
more money and the people are on board, and so
it's a shame to see, but they're difficult to actually
find what the difference is when it gets right down
to it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
So I let's get into farmland, because the Secretary of
agricult Culture has come out and said she's going to
crack down on the CCP coming in in buying up farmland,
and I think that there has been also some confusion
among Americans about what this exactly means. And sometimes the
Chinese are coming in and they're buying farmland and they're
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actually farming it. But there's a weird scenario. She recently
held up a map of the United States and said
for the media, I want to be clear, these are
where the farms are owned that are CCP owned farms
in the United States, and then the red dots are
actually US army bases or US military bases that these
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farms seems to surround. And oftentimes they will buy plots
of land all around that army base or that military
base so that they completely surround the base. That seems
a little suspicious.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Indeed, and you know, I think that this conversation needs
to be you know, prefaced with a reminder about what
has just occurred in both Russia and in Iran where
attacks were launched, you know, from within their countries against
their military assets by drones and other you know, weaponry.
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So that that could occur here in the United States.
That it's some type of you know, company with Chinese
owned or property could launch an attack is not science fiction.
That is you know what the next Pearl Harbor would
likely look like, you know, in my own opinion, And
so yes, certainly there is you know, I believe when
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I I had to tabulate it before, over five hundred
thousand acres likely that is US land on by Chinese entities,
which is higher than what the US government was reporting
at the time. One of the factors for that was
we discovered that an individual named ten Tanshao CCP member
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we found was you know, the owner of a one
hundred and ninety eight thousand acres or something like that,
I believe. And so when you start adding these things up,
you come to that same of picture that I believe
that that map is showing. And it's a it's an
ugly one because you know, when we saw the recent
(26:10):
military strike in Iran, those bombers took off, they were
we were told multiple times, and it was, you know,
something something to be proud of that these bombers took
off from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri. Well, guess
what Whiteman Air Force Base is, you know, one of
those things on that map, and there is land right
around there. We reported on the companies that are that
(26:33):
have been trying to uh set up right near Kansas City,
and you know, found that they have all these all
the wrong type of ties. We'll just put that way.
And so it is occurring and in your own state,
uh and in Illinois as well, this company of Gooshin.
You know, really it's just you keep pulling on that
(26:54):
string and just keep finding more and more and more
nefarious connections that they have that they just pretend like,
you know, don't exist.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean that's what that is certainly what we found,
and I think it's very scary being in the state
of Michigan, but also, like you said, Illinois and other
states and everywhere this land is being purchased. We've heard
about this for years. I have to say that I'm
impressed that we're four or five six months. Well, what
(27:24):
we're almost six months into the Trump administration and now
we already have cabinet secretaries that are looking into this,
We're already having announcements on this. This is something that
for years we had people saying, we're very concerned about
what's going on with these Chinese being able to come
in and purchase And again I say that because you
can't do that in China. You can't go purchase farmland
(27:46):
in China. So why don't we protect our own farmland,
especially when we are seeing this surrounding our military basis.
But I know you've been out there and you have
been really, really on top of this, really forcing the issue,
making people look at what's actually going on in China.
I know people are going to want to follow you.
Where do they follow you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, you can find me on x and my handle
is Lenziki Philip such should be easy for you to spell.
And uh yeah, that's where I can be found. Or
head on over to the Daily Call, the Daily Call
on news Foundation and it hype and Philip, I'm sure
you'll find me.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So okay, it is not easy to spell it is
ellie and c z y c ki.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Wow. That was like a test for girls if they were,
you know, dating material, if they could spell them that
they liked you. So I like you, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That's it. Well I have to learn how to say it. So,
Philip Linziki, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are going to
be exposing some truths today that you may not have
heard about when it comes to China being involved in
things in the United States. And that is specifically, if
China is involved, you need to understand that the CCP
is involved, that the Chinese government is involved. So we
(00:21):
decided we had to find someone who was an expert
on this. I've got Philip Linziki with us. He is
a senior investigative reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation
and one of the most fervent China watchers in the
media space. So tell us what is going on? What
is the truth about what is going on with China
in the United States. We've reported extensively on Ghoshen here
(00:43):
because I'm here in Michigan. But I know and I
know you did a great job of covering that. Tell
us a little bit about what is actually going on
and the true dangers of it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, thank you so much for having me on today.
And it's not good. It's not good. We're under a
check We've been under attack now for decades, and you know,
the short of it is that our leaders more or
less don't want to acknowledge that there is this Cold
War occurring, or when they do, it seems that they've
(01:17):
got some you know, memory issues, because just a showpik
later they'll go back to their old ways. We are seeing,
you know, time and again that within really any sector
you can, you know, look at in the United States,
whether it's academia or business or politics, there is this
specter of Chinese influenced intelligence operations that can be discovered
(01:43):
with Really, as much as I'd like to think that
my work is that great, really it's it's open source ultimately,
and anyone that has the inclination to look for it
will be able to find it. And so that's what's
really concerning is that it's out in the open.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think that's been something that in Michigan we have
been somewhat like shocked by time and time again, because
we had the Chinese nationals that were spying on the
military base, we had the Chinese national who voted in
our election. Obviously, the Goshen story of the Chinese company
coming in and buying farmland and there was a lot
of corruption in that, and then the idea that they
(02:24):
were going to build a factory here that was also
close to military base. And then the most recent one,
which I think has somewhat scared the entire country, is
these Chinese nationals that were studying at the University of Michigan.
They brought in a bio weapon or hazard biohazardous material
that could have been turned into a bioweapon to research
(02:46):
here in the United States. And this came to light,
people started saying, wait, how does that even happen? But
to your point, it's sort of like it's kind of
like an open secret. It's not very hard to find.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Indeed, and so you know, to your last point, after
that story broke about the individuals at the University of Michigan,
I believe, you know, I went on to try to
figure out, okay, what is known about these folks that's
you know, still on the website for their alma mater
back in China, which I believe is the University of
ju Jong, And so I went on there, and indeed
(03:21):
you can find that, you know, one of these individuals
the members of the Chinesecamis party, and another uh you
know individual on Twitter found even more just after it broke.
So it raised a lot of questions and they're uncomfortable ones,
given that they are not certainly not the only individuals
within their department or in their school who speak Chinese,
(03:44):
and you'd think that their colleagues would have been able
to look into their backgrounds, and you know, just heavially
come upon this. We don't hear a lot about that.
I'd like to believe that individuals are you know, informing
when they find these type of things in their purview.
But my suspicion is it happens less frequently than we'd like.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, and I hate to say it, but it sounds
like some of these folks that are authorized, I mean,
you're not coming to the United States unless you are
authorized by the Chinese government. If you are a Chinese
citizen and you are studying in the United States, they
authorized you to come here, they signed off on the visa,
they signed off on everything. They're allowing you to be here.
We've too often heard that there are folks that are
(04:29):
over here and they're loyal regardless of being here. They
are still loyal to the CCP, whether they are working
for them or not. To come out and kind of
tattle would be somewhat unheard of, wouldn't it be.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You'd think so Yeah, the situation, by my lights, appears
to be that individuals come here for a number of
different reasons. You know, Opportunity is obviously a big one.
If you have a chance to study at Harvard or
work in a great company, I'm sure that that's something
that you're chomping the bit to do. However, with that
(05:03):
comes an issue, which is that this is likely going
to become known through your you know, visa application process
or whatever it is, to the Chinese government that you
are now at Harvard or wherever you are. And from
what I hear, even if let's say, before you leave,
you're not approached by state security, oftentimes maybe when you
(05:26):
return you might be invited to, as they say, have
a cup of tea, and so at that point they
might just you know, pick your brain and find out
what all you're involved in and then plant some ideas
about things that would, you know, please the state where
it to occur. And I think that it's sort of
we have to imagine it's it's very mafia esque the
(05:49):
way that they operate, and there are oftentimes just implications
of what is required of you, and folks go along
it out of fear or out of you know, sympathy interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So I want to dig in a little bit to
Tim Walls. And I want to do this because we
watched throughout the election while he was talking about China
and there was questions over his Chinese ties, and you
reported on his Chinese ties because I think a lot
of people were concerned about, well, why did you choose
to honeymoon there? Why did you live there for so long?
(06:27):
But recently when we went over and attacked Iron and
there was a conversation about how to bring peace, Tim
Walls when he was asked, well, how do we do
this now? He said, I think the only moral authority
is China. No, you just talked about them as mafia,
mafia ask you know, and he's saying they're the only
moral authority.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That was outrageous that I can't believe you said that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But what does that mean about who he is?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It means a moron and he's compromised. I mean, I
don't really know how to sugarcoat that. There are so
many signs that point to him either being compromised or
just being you know, room temperature, I Q and I'm
not really sure what's going on. He's certainly a smooth
talker at times and then other times you can just
see that he's in over his head. And so when
(07:19):
we investigated him, we found a number of disturbing realities.
So these unfortunately go back, you know, to the beginning
of his relationship with China, where you know, he's making
these trips, and we found that reported in you know,
the local and Nebraska papers. Back then he had brought
(07:42):
officials from a Chinese university who we determined were uh,
you know, members of the Chinese Thomas Party over and
had them meet the students and you know, like likely
you know ingratiate themselves with the town generally. And this
trend continued through his life where he made maintain relationships
with certain individuals who were in these sort of dubious
(08:05):
positions and he began to benefit from them greatly, where
he was receiving you know, votes and money for his campaign.
And then eventually, in one of our pieces, we found
that he had appointed to the you know, States Asian
Affairs Commission an individual who himself is a member of
(08:28):
a minor political party in China and has been reporting
back and writing papers for their you know, Department of
Justice justice equivalent, So not a good. Look it's happening
right under his nose again and again.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, well that's what I think with elected officials. Tim Mault.
He's an interesting one because I think that, like you said,
he is either involved or he's naive about this, but
he almost comes off as childlike. And that was the
weird thing about choosing him as a running mate is
that I think they thought that that was how to like,
(09:02):
he was a guys guy. But for people who are
around me, masculine guy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He's masculine though you know, he's going to get those
those guys to really vote.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's what they thought, That's what they I mean, that's
what I'm like, what do they think guys are like?
Because I felt he was very childlike.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And something weird is going on with him. I can't
put my finger on it, and I can't read minds,
but you know, there were certainly, you know, some interesting
glimpses into his psyche during his debate with Jadie Vance. Yeah,
and there were also some ugly moments, you know, on
stage with his son at one point if you recall,
(09:41):
you know, maybe a dark side appearing. I don't know,
it's like to be on the campaign trail myself. I'm
sure it's quite stressful, so I'd like to be gracious
about that, but you know, it's concerning and I don't
know exactly what the reason was for selecting him.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So I think that the point here wanted. Something I
want to get to with talking about him is that
he was You talked about him having someone in government.
I mean, obviously Gretchen Whitmer has been very close to
the people of Goshen, and there's been some concern over
how close and how involved the local people were with
(10:16):
the CCP, and then the people that came over who
were becoming local people that were from the CCP. There's
a trend across the country, it seems, where we have
Chinese nationals connected to the CCP getting into local governments
and state governments. I want to talk about La because
you recently broke a story about the La mayor, Karen
(10:39):
Bass having a Chinese national that was like feeding intel
back in her camp and this, and they were highly
connected and even the father I believe was connected to
the CCP. So explain a little bit about that. And
from the standpoint of it is important to know that
whether or not you're elected official is aware that oftentimes
(11:02):
they are inviting an adversary right into your state or
local government.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Certainly, and there's a long, you know, pattern that we
can see going back to you know, Dianne Feinstein and
this individual Russell Lowe, who was.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Oh that's right, yes, driver.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
There's Eric Swallow with Fang Fang Feng Fang knew this
Russell low individual, you know, And we can see this
going on with Eric Adams and Winnie Greco with the
governor of New York local and Linda Son and lind
the Sun was working for Grace Mung. I mean, it
goes on and on, and now there's so many different
individuals where we've seen this same type of thing play out.
In the case of Aaron Bass, what happened there is
(11:43):
that there's an individual his name is Derek mas Chinese
name is Mashu Rong, and he is a member of
multiple Chinese influence and intelligence organizations according to federal sources.
So this individual had held fundraisers and press events for
Bass with Bass in attendance, and his son Adam was
(12:07):
present at at least one of these, and at Bass's inauguration,
Derek Ma and his wife appeared that took photos with her,
and at that time Chinese media reported that he was
very happy, and he said one of the reasons he
was happy was that his son had gotten a position
in Karen Bass's administration. And so at the start he
(12:30):
was on sort of like I believe, in an advisory
capacity for over overseeing appointments. And then that position has
sort of morphed into things having to do with again
Asian liaison and LGBT liaison or something like that. But
there's photos and video of them, you know, together in
(12:53):
a way that is different than just some random person.
This is them in a parade as the only two
people in passengers in the parade float car minus the driver,
again and again, and this raised a lot of questions.
Adam Ma to be very clear, the song, we didn't
find that he is connected to an intelligence agency. However
(13:14):
his father is. And we found that Adam and the
son is attending events thereafter on behalf of Bass with
you know, personnel from the Chinese consulate who belonged to
these influenced you know, outfits, and he's awarding his father
on behalf of Bass and so it certainly smacks of corruption.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, absolutely, so, So how do you how do you
think that getting into cities like this is I mean,
what is the end game? Obviously LA is a massive
city in the United States and and a highly populated
city where you could do a lot of damage if
you wanted to. But what is the endgame if you
are trying to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It's a great question I to speculate. I would imagine
that based on their methods thus far, they are hoping
and I think unfortunately maybe right to hope that they
can destabilize us and defeat us without having to actually
(14:21):
go into a kinetic fight. And so given our system,
and as we're seeing with the mayor's race in New York,
you can have an individual who came to our country
six years ago who then runs the largest city in
the United States. And this is something that well sufficed
(14:42):
to say doesn't occur in China. And that is an
opportunity that is too good to pass up. So I
believe that there's evidence that they've made a calculated decision
to infiltrate our system through this process. And you know,
there's multiple components to it. There's legal immigration in order
to get you know, uh, you know, high census numbers
(15:04):
so that they can have additional representatives in certain areas.
There's efforts to have individuals you know, became become community
liaisons and then gain certain types of you know, government positions,
and then their efforts now underway to get individuals just
straight up elected into whatever positions that they can win.
(15:29):
And so, you know, the endgame, to put it into
one word, is colonization. They are colonizing US, as as
are many other nations and and factions. And so I
would encourage your viewers to think about China towns and
(15:49):
and things of that nature, not as China towns, but
rather as colonies they have. They have a foothold here
and they're going to expand that and impose their rules
and systems on our soil.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
There's no America towns in China.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
No, not so much.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, No, that would not be allowed. And I think
that's that was the message that we kept talking to
people about in Michigan and what's happening here. This is
not actually allowed in China. We can't go and have
our corporation, we can't buy land, we can't own land
in China. We can't have we can't own a building
in China. The United States can't own anything there. We
(16:32):
can work there, we can ship product here, but it
can't be owned by an American company, and I think
that's hard for people to wrap their heads around. Also
in China, they it's interesting that you mentioned that the
sun was his name, Adam Ma the son, that he
was involved in the LGBTQ community and working with that
(16:54):
community on behalf of the mayor, because that is also
not allowed in China.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
True, and I don't know what his you know, sexual
persuasion is, but it's possible he might be of that community.
And you're absolutely right that it is frowned upon, we
might say, in China, they certainly don't allow it on
their you know, television. So interesting that that's occurring. But
(17:27):
the way that it works, I think generally is that
the their operatives here and I'm not suggesting that Adam
is one, but their operatives here are given a lot
more latitude than you know, we might imagine. And so
while the consulates are sort of the first or maybe
(17:48):
second layer of oversight, the first being sort of the
local civic associations, they are operate and I believe probably
even encouraged to maybe even compete against each other. For
you know, you know, influence in this area. So you
(18:11):
might have an individual who comes from a certain province
or you know, city in China who wants to succeed
in a in a given part of the United States
and then re benefits back for his home province or territory,
and he's competing against an individual from another part of China,
and they're both vying for that in the city of
New York or something like that. And whoever can ultimately,
(18:34):
you know, get more selfies next to Eric Adams or
whatever it is and prove that he's got the closer
connection will be the one that ultimately gets favor from
the powers that be back there, and then they'll give
that person another you know, feather in their cap and say, okay,
well now we're going to have you do this next operation.
So I think that's kind of the way it works.
There is sort of an expectation that these organizations and
(18:56):
individuals will also ultimately fund their own operations and find
ways to make it work.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. I mean, there has been some
evidence that some of these groups have come in and
they have worked toward destabilization of the country. And I
think that even with the LGBTQ message, there's been a
(19:24):
lot of fighting within that community and the conservative community.
So I feel like there has been an unnatural push
in certain areas to create a destabilization in the country.
There also, I mean, if you look at this biopotential
bioweapon that comes in, what that would do would cause
there to be a food shortage. So if you have
(19:45):
a few a food shortage, you also have destabilization. Then
suddenly you have chaos, you have fighting. What is this
situation where we have this shadow justice system in US city,
So tell us about a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And so what we found is that similar to and
connected to, in fact, the New York overseas Chinese Police
station that was housed within the America Chang Law Association.
Connected to that, there is a system where the Supreme
People's procuratorret and its regional counterparts will use SCIA cific
(20:26):
associations around the world, partner with them more or less
deputize their leaders to serve as overseas mediators and liaisons
for the court. And so we found that there are
actively current on, you know, within the United States multiple
China civic associations that have set up you know, internal
(20:46):
courts and that they are actually you know, conducting hearings
through you know, Chinese encrypted platforms. And so the America
Chang Law Association, the organization that was running the overseas
police station in New York, we found that that organization
was also involved in this. So on top of running
(21:08):
a police station, they also had a court. So this
is really concerning given that individuals who have come here
and they might be seeking to just you know, more
or less make their own way and not have to
deal with China anymore, they might be suckered into sort
of participating in this. If should they have some type
(21:28):
of business relationship, you know, continuing to import or something
like that from China, their finances might be tied up,
and their family members might also be sort of under
the purview of the system. And so it's not impossible
to think that, given that the America Chungal Association was
(21:48):
apparently hunting dissidents on behalf of the Ministry of Public Security,
that it could be the case that in the past
or in the future, they might whisk you away from
you know, the street one day and the next minute,
you're who knows, in a warehouse face to face with
a large monitor, and on the other side of the
monitor is a couple judges and your brother and they're
(22:11):
asking me to do something or else. So that those
are certainly the concerns.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well, and I think that is that's a concern for
American people that wow, there could be somebody who is
living in the US legitimately who is then manipulated by
a foreign entity. But also if you're setting these up,
then why not be for us? Why not be concerned
that there would be you talked about a Cold war?
(22:37):
At what point does this just become a takeover if
we're not careful And then they're like, oh, we've already
got this set up. It's perfect, this can expect to
the home country.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's kind of shocking to me that when it came
to you know, the War on Terror and you know
recent reports about certain things occurring in Texas, there was
I think a pretty uniform uproar concerning like sharia courts.
Folks all were like, we don't want that whatever's going
(23:08):
on in Dearborn, Michigan or whatever else, like, we don't
want to be a part of that. In the South,
the American way. But for this story, I think that
while there was some you know, understandable concern about overseas
police stations the courts, you know, more broadly, there wasn't
that same type of reaction that the Sharia courts are received.
And I think it's likely that the Chinese dr propaganda
(23:32):
is just better, you know, and then you just have
more money and the people are on board, and so
it's a shame to see, but they're difficult to actually
find what the difference is when it gets right down
to it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
So I let's get into farmland, because the Secretary of
agricult Culture has come out and said she's going to
crack down on the CCP coming in in buying up farmland,
and I think that there has been also some confusion
among Americans about what this exactly means. And sometimes the
Chinese are coming in and they're buying farmland and they're
(24:09):
actually farming it. But there's a weird scenario. She recently
held up a map of the United States and said
for the media, I want to be clear, these are
where the farms are owned that are CCP owned farms
in the United States, and then the red dots are
actually US army bases or US military bases that these
(24:32):
farms seems to surround. And oftentimes they will buy plots
of land all around that army base or that military
base so that they completely surround the base. That seems
a little suspicious.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Indeed, and you know, I think that this conversation needs
to be you know, prefaced with a reminder about what
has just occurred in both Russia and in Iran where
attacks were launched, you know, from within their countries against
their military assets by drones and other you know, weaponry.
(25:07):
So that that could occur here in the United States.
That it's some type of you know, company with Chinese
owned or property could launch an attack is not science fiction.
That is you know what the next Pearl Harbor would
likely look like, you know, in my own opinion, And
so yes, certainly there is you know, I believe when
(25:29):
I I had to tabulate it before, over five hundred
thousand acres likely that is US land on by Chinese entities,
which is higher than what the US government was reporting
at the time. One of the factors for that was
we discovered that an individual named ten Tanshao CCP member
(25:50):
we found was you know, the owner of a one
hundred and ninety eight thousand acres or something like that,
I believe. And so when you start adding these things up,
you come to that same of picture that I believe
that that map is showing. And it's a it's an
ugly one because you know, when we saw the recent
(26:10):
military strike in Iran, those bombers took off, they were
we were told multiple times, and it was, you know,
something something to be proud of that these bombers took
off from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri. Well, guess
what Whiteman Air Force Base is, you know, one of
those things on that map, and there is land right
around there. We reported on the companies that are that
(26:33):
have been trying to uh set up right near Kansas City,
and you know, found that they have all these all
the wrong type of ties. We'll just put that way.
And so it is occurring and in your own state,
uh and in Illinois as well, this company of Gooshin.
You know, really it's just you keep pulling on that
(26:54):
string and just keep finding more and more and more
nefarious connections that they have that they just pretend like,
you know, don't exist.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean that's what that is certainly what we found,
and I think it's very scary being in the state
of Michigan, but also, like you said, Illinois and other
states and everywhere this land is being purchased. We've heard
about this for years. I have to say that I'm
impressed that we're four or five six months. Well, what
(27:24):
we're almost six months into the Trump administration and now
we already have cabinet secretaries that are looking into this,
We're already having announcements on this. This is something that
for years we had people saying, we're very concerned about
what's going on with these Chinese being able to come
in and purchase And again I say that because you
can't do that in China. You can't go purchase farmland
(27:46):
in China. So why don't we protect our own farmland,
especially when we are seeing this surrounding our military basis.
But I know you've been out there and you have
been really, really on top of this, really forcing the issue,
making people look at what's actually going on in China.
I know people are going to want to follow you.
Where do they follow you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, you can find me on x and my handle
is Lenziki Philip such should be easy for you to spell.
And uh yeah, that's where I can be found. Or
head on over to the Daily Call, the Daily Call
on news Foundation and it hype and Philip, I'm sure
you'll find me.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So okay, it is not easy to spell it is
ellie and c z y c ki.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Wow. That was like a test for girls if they were,
you know, dating material, if they could spell them that
they liked you. So I like you, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
That's it. Well I have to learn how to say it. So,
Philip Linziki, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yes, thank you so much. We appreciate you coming on today,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
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