In this powerful episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast, Tudor sits down with Rob Chadwick to unpack the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk and what it means for America. They examine the broader implications for free speech, the conservative movement, and the growing threat of political violence. The discussion sheds light on how media narratives shape public perception, the importance of protecting civil discourse, and the resilience needed to preserve unity in divided times. Together, they reflect on the challenges facing American institutions and why hope remains essential in confronting terrorism and adversity. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. This one's a little
bit different, guys, because we have all been through a
real tragedy in the last few days and we are
all really broken up about it. And interestingly, before that
even happened, we had Rob on the schedule to come
on this podcast. And it's like God plans things out
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for us, doesn't he. And I'm like asking God, right now,
get me through this because I have really struggled the
past few days with Charlie's death. But we have Rob
Chadwick here with us today. He is the United States
Concealed Carry Association Principal Training Advisor and just so happens
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to be a thirty year law enforcement veteran and the
former head of the Tactical Training Unit at the FBI
Academy in Quantico.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Rob knows all about this.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
He's trained elite teams, he's led SWAT operations, and he's
served as the project protection detail for six US Attorneys General. Rob,
I said, I don't know if I can do this,
and I really didn't know if I could do this,
but You're like so gracious you talked me through this
and got me to start recording because I knew that
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your message is so important because you know so much more.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
About this than we do.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And I look at what happened and I think, gosh,
so many of us on a regular basis go to
events like that and speak.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And maybe we have security a few guys like Charlie did.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Maybe we don't, and we really don't think that's what
happened to Charlie Kirk that an assassination on speech for speaking,
an assassination of a human life for speaking, will ever happen,
but it did. So tell us from your perspective, what happened, Peter.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, let me start by saying thank you for
this opportunity, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I know you and Charlie knew each other, and many
of your.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Colleagues knew him well.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I did not know or ever get a chance to
meet Charlie, but I was a long time admirer of his,
specifically his courage and grace in trying to foster what
is most important in American society, and that is civil discourse. Right,
we are a nation built on the freedom of speech
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and you know, hopefully mutual respect and what I want
people you know today on all days, right of nine
to eleven, Remembrance day of the terrorist attack that happened
to us almost twenty five years ago, twenty four years ago.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I of course remember it well.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was a special Agent sign of the Miami Division,
and we'll remember that day like many of the previous
generation remember the day Kennedy was shot. And unfortunately this
next generation remember yesterday the day Charlie Kirk was shot
on you know, basically broadcast everywhere.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Everyone was talking about it.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And I want people and I want your listeners, and
I want you to take this and sort of reframe
because there is no doubt about it. What you saw
yesterday was an act of terrorism, all right. Terrorism is
defined as an act that is designed to cause fear
and so dissension and undermine the fabric of a society
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and get you to change your behaviors through terrorist acts. Right,
And that's exactly what we saw yesterday. It's exactly what
we saw. You know, when the healthcare CEO is assassinated.
I will never name these shooters, but you know that
person that assassinated, you know, the healthcare CEO up in
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New York. And then we had two political one near
assassination and one attempted up in Michigan. I believe there
was the attempt at Governor Whitmer not too long ago.
These are all designed to get us to change not
only what we do and what we say, but who
we are as an American people.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
All right.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What we cannot do is continue to allow the fringe few,
whether it's the far left or the far right, it
doesn't matter the fringe few to dictate what is important
in how we as an American people react. Okay, and
Charlie Kirk, more than anybody I know, was that champion.
I actually, as somebody who was a lot older than him,
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tried to emulate his style and his gracefulness and his
graciousness in that respectful discourse, right face to face, agree
to disagree, never name calling, but also the courage to
stand up for what he knew to be right, what
he knew to be correct, correct, and just to you know,
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I would consider him an absolute martyr, because that's what
the definition of a martyr is too. And so what
we cannot do is allow us to be lured into
that reaction that these people want, these fringe lunatics, want
us to be angry and divisive and violent.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's not who we are.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well or they want us to be quiet.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I think that's the thing, that's the reason I'm
doing this today, is that we're not going to be silenced.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
We're not going to be quiet.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They've tried to quiet us every way possible, and this
is the worst.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean, we've been.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
We've been through years of silencing in the media, silencing
on social media, we've been through years of law fare.
We've seen now two assassination at Tepson on a president.
But really, I think so many of us who just speak,
who speak the truth and speak the gospel. And I
think that was one of the biggest takeaways for me
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of this is that Charlie Kirk was out there every
day preaching. It wasn't just politics for him. Always agree
with his politics, but where his faith was, where his
promotion of family. That I think that was what they
feared the most, actually was the idea that he could
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potentially bring family back to this country. Because family cannot
be broken. Family is a bond like no other. It
is so hard to break that family bond, and they
have spent the Left has spent decades breaking the family bond,
and it took them that long and Charlie Kirk has
been doing this for twelve years, and in twelve years
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he started to change the young men in this country
to say I want that bond, I want that family,
I want a wife, I want children.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And he was getting to the women.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The women aren't there yet, I'll admit I see that
the women are taking a little bit longer. But he
was getting the men to that point where they said, gosh, yeah,
I want that traditional family. And that scared the left
so badly. Then instead of debating him, instead of arguing
going with him.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
They went out and assassinated him.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, you hit your spot on right.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
The reason they assassinated him was because he was so effective, right,
It wasn't because he was this Actually, I was disgusted
this morning when I saw I believe it was the
New York Times. It was one of the New York papers,
and I'll have to figure out exactly which one it was,
But one of the New York papers characterized Charlie Kirk
as a right wing provocateur, and that is just that's
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just not correct. I'm sorry, that's that's outrageous to say
that what he was was a champion of open discourse,
the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the freedom
to debate our fellow citizens in a peaceful, respectful manner.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And that is powerful.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
When we see someone like you know what, I don't
disagree or I don't necessarily agree with him or her,
but they make a they make a persuasive argument in
a respectful way.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
That is powerful. That is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And that is why he was And I will tell
you his young, beautiful children, his wife, his entire family.
I know that they are just devastated, they are just
ruined over this, but they have so much to be
proud of in that man. He has done more for
the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, American values
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than many many people that I could even think of.
I mean it just he is a hero and is
now all time hero.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And he preached a message of happiness, a message that
there is a life out there on this earth that
is good, and there's a life beyond this, there is
an eternal life as well, and that you can make
the most of this life by following God and following
God's teachings.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And they just hated that.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I really believe that they hated that because he didn't
believe that you could change your gender because you can't.
And the fact that he spoke that truth made people crazy.
I mean, and now we're hearing today that some of
the bullets on this gun had some transanti or pro
transgender messaging on it, or it's something. We're just hearing
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bits and pieces of what's going on. I think a
lot of people are saying, how could this happen? You
look at the diagram and for me, I look at
this and I'm like, did somebody know where he would be?
Because this shooter was on a roof that was very
I mean very far from where he was. They had
to be good at what they were doing. They knew
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to how to get away, they knew what to wear.
What is your when you look at what happened? How
how did it happen?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I want to I want to start by saying that again,
you hit it right on the head.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
This was an.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Advertised, heavily advertised event, right it was. It's a part
of his tour. And uh so I always tell people,
you know, you can apply this to your life. I
applied to my life. People should apply this. Whatever is
predictable is exploitable. Okay, So if I know where you're
going to be.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Just like just like the assassination in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
City, right, that was a heavily publicized event where all
the shareholders or the executive officers were going to be.
And we know that that assassin stalked the CEO because
it was predictable.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
We knew exactly where he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Same thing with Charlie Kirk, Okay, very simple to figure out, Well,
he's going to be in this amphitheater and then we
could see the seating on it's he's going to be
right there.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And so I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know, there's lots of conspiracy theories and I understand that, right,
it's lots of sillacious.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We want to know, we want to know.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
That's you know, that's where the human mind goes. The
human mind is like, I can figure this out, but
we have no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
We have no idea, and I will tell you and
and and it's it's generally speaking, the most simple answer
is usually the one that comes out. I tend to doubt.
I don't know anything, right, I'm not in the FBI anymore.
I tend to doubt this was a professional hit or
some this was somebody who was determined, actually put some
planning into it. But with just a little bit of discipline,
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a little bit of forethought and a little bit of planning,
that was a relatively easy thing to accomplish. I hate
to say, a two hundred yard shot with a modern
hunting rifle and a sighted in that's all day long
for the average shooter, especially from a position where they
are stable, and it looked like this person was probably
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in a prone position, which is exactly as a former sniper,
that's how you that's the ideal position is most points
of contact with the ground, so there's no movement, and
then you have that he had all day long to
line up his sites and take the shot when he
wanted to, and that's what happened. So I don't think
it was necessarily this professional type of thing. It didn't
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take a high level of skill or sophistication. It took
a little bit of discipline, a little bit of planning,
and obviously they had good information on where Charlie was
going to be, and that is what is exploitable.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Unfortunately, well, they found the weapon, or they believe they
found the weapon, and that leads me to believe that
it wasn't professional because I would imagine you don't leave
your weapon behind, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I really am asking you.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I agree the fact that they found, my understanding again
is that they found a rifle wrapped up in a
towel in the woods nearby. You know, I can guarantee
you that the FBI, the ATF, every resource available to
the federal, state, local governments will be devoted to grinding
on this.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
There's one thing I guarantee you is that once the
FBI gets their sit set on you, you were going
to be found.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
The ATF is just the same. Right.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
They will move heaven and earth as they should, because again,
this is not just a murder.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
This is an act of terrorism.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
This is an attack against our country, against our values,
against our fabric. I know the President is going to
authorize that. I know Director Patel will move heaven and
Earth to make sure that we apprehend this suspect bring
them to.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Justice no matter what.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
As we mourn today, we also remember that nearly two
years ago, terrorists murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis
and took two hundred and fifty hostages. Today, it seems
as if the cries of the dead and the dying
have been drowned out by these crazy shouts of anti
Semitic hatred and the most brutal attack on the Jewish
people since the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Has been forgotten. But this is not the case. As
the world looks away, there is a light shining in
this darkness. It's a movement of.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Love and support for the people of Israel called Flags
of Fellowship, and it's organized by the International Fellowship of
Christians in Jews. On October fifth, just a few weeks away,
millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty
twenty three and their grieving families. And now you can
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be a part of this movement too. To get more.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Information about how you can join the Flags.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org.
That's i f CJ dot org. Go there now and
join the movement. What do you think the next steps
are for the conservative movement? I mean, obviously we we
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see Charlie as the leader of this grassroots movement for
young people, and I think that turning point is obviously rocked,
and we are all rocked. And I've heard people saying, Okay,
this event's not safe anymore. We'll cancel this event, we'll
keep this event. Well, how do we how do we
manage this? And you've seen some people who because the
shooter has not been found, I think that there are
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people who are saying, I don't want to go out
and do anything just yet, because I have a family,
I have kids, you know here.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know, and then and in the very short term,
that's wise. Okay, if they're is another highly publicized event,
you know, maybe you do share it. But long term,
you ask what do we do? And what we do
is we don't let them win, all right. We take
the high road. Always, always take the high road, even
when it's painful, even when it's you know, our gut instinct.
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And I was so angry last night I had to
walk for hours. I just went out for a long
walk by myself to try to collect my thoughts and
my initiation, you know, like many of us, probably doom
scrolling right and seeing all these despicable human beings posting
these horrible you know, i'll call them rage baiting type
of posts about celebrating the death of this this young father.
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That is a form of terrorism. Don't forget that. They
want you to react. They want you to show your
rearin They want you to show your anger and your
you know, lack of judgment and poise.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Deprive them of that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The best thing you can do is take that stoic
approach that you know what, we're better than this. We're
better than you because we believe in the freedom of speech.
You disagree with me, I actually swore a oath to
defend your right to do that right.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I was in DC when they were rioting right after
George Floyd was killed.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
My unit was called up from Quantico to try to
help quell that rioting that was going on and around
Lafayette Park. And here are these people who were yelling
and spitting and screaming. But the entire time reminding myself
and all the other agents that were there, Guys, these
are American citizens. Most of them are American citizens. They
have a right to peacefully protest, and I swore an
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oath to do that, and I think all Americans should
respect that. Now, it doesn't make me angry, Yes, it
makes me angry, but I absolutely respect their right to
do so, and if you can rise above that, that
is the ultimate revenge is to not react, not take
de bait, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know, Greg got Feld has said on the five
after this was announced, he said, you know, Republicans, we
just don't radicalize. Well, that's not who we are, that's
not our party. And I think his point was, you know,
at this point, we're all really mad right now. I
think we're all really devastated, you know. And I had
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a similar experience to you. I was walking and I'm
getting my kids ready for bed, and this is all
going through my mind, and I was thinking, I'm really
sad right now, just really heartbroken for his family, for
our movement, but the we're gonna get angry, because I
know those are the stages we're gonna get angry. And
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you make such a great point. Angry isn't what Charlie
would want. Angry wasn't his movement. Angry is their side.
And I've been thinking about this all day. I'm like
his message was a message of life, and I know
sometimes it was tough love and sometimes, like I said,
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I didn't agree with what the message was at all,
but the overarching message.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Of we are the party that cares for you. We
are the party of family.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Tell us why you don't believe in life? Tell us
why you don't believe in in gender? Why, tell us
why you don't believe.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
In these things? And he listened and he let them
tell him why.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
But the other side puts out these things in their
yard and say love is love and there is no
hate here. But it's like they've reversed that word. It's
like they've taken love over and changed brainwashed people to
believe that hate is love. And I think it's because
it's a movement.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Where you have to have hate to keep going.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's a movement where you have to be a victim
and there has to be an oppressor.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And because the.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Only way you can get those people on your side
is that you cannot help yourself, you need us to
help you. And Charlie's message it was very different. It
was you have all of the resources right here, this
is your country. You are the people, You are the disciples,
You are the people that build the families.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And they hated that. And I just keep.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Thinking about how the devil is real and he is
powerful and he wins battles, but we don't stop fighting,
and our fighting is so much different than theirs.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's not fighting with hate.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You're spot on. You mentioned radicalization, and gut Felts is right.
You know, the right doesn't radicalize. I would challenge us, though,
to embrace radicalism in a different way. I try to
embrace radical stoicism. All right, drive people bananas by your
lack of letting them provoke your reaction.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We all learn as children we can't control people's actions.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
We cannot, and this is the United States. We're not
supposed to.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Can control is our reaction to their actions. All right,
And as you know, you mentioned Jesus and the biblical teachings.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Look how just insane.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
He drove the devil right by not rising to the bait, right,
not acting as.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
He thought he should.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That is the ultimate revenge that we can play, is
to control our actions. Be that stoic professional still stand
for American values, still stand for that.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Hey, you know what, I can't stand what you're putting
on social media, but I respect your right to do it.
I absolutely respect your right to do it, and I
always will.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And you're not.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Going to make me angry enough, you know, to change
my mind. You're not going to change me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Your actions do not get to change who I am
and what I believe in.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I had a friend reach out to me last night
and said, I don't know if you knew Charlie or not.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I didn't agree with what he said.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I didn't like anything that he's said, but I imagine that
it's tough, and I'm sorry, and nobody deserves to have
this happen to them. And I thanked her, and she said,
but honestly, how do you think we get through this?
Because the country is at a boiling point. We're on
different sides of the aisle. And I said back to her,
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this is how we talk. We say we disagree, but
we still love each other.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
We are all Americans. That's the first and foremost right.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
We always You know, there's plenty of my family members
that I deeply love and deeply disagree with, but I
would do anything for them, anything.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Right much Exactly, I would do anything for the person
who posts something horrible that I vehemently disagree with. And
I've seen and I have to say that this is
not the Left as a whole, and that would be
unfair to say that because I have seen left wing
influencers who have come out in tears and said, this
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isn't what this is about. And you know, we're here
to talk. We can't believe it. We're devastated, and so
I I and I'm not belittling the fact that the
media has created this problem. And I fully, I fully
support the blame on the media. I mean, my gosh,
this happens and you have MSNBC's saying, oh, it's probably
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a celebratory shot from one of his supporters.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It's like, I can't even comprehend how sick that is.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's a it's remember, the media is not the media
of our grandparents.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
No, it's notice.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It is a pay for play. It is clickbait all
the time, eyeballs. They are playing to their audience there
and they're you know, the more they can be sensational,
the more they get their struggling network to be mentioned right, like,
that's what they want.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And I think that's part of the problem with society
today is that these radical news agencies decided that the
only way they could compete with the message, the good
message of the conservatives, the good message of joy and
happiness and godliness, was to try to damage society.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Try to have the most radical message out there.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And I honestly see this as a battle of good
and evil when you have these lies that they spew
on a regular basis. Because someone said that this to
me yesterday. If you can tell people that speech is violence,
then you can respond to speech with violence.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Well, so never forget. And this is a lesson that
I learned. It was profound to me as a brand
new special agent in the FBI. A long time ago.
We had a former Soviet KGB colonel come and speak
to my class, and he had run for decades from
the sixties seventies, eighties, the psychological operations to undermine the
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United States.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Told he said, listen, this is a playbook, right.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And I'm not saying this was a Soviet plot, right,
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is this influence
that same playbook is being used because they go after
the institutions.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
First.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You got to go after the churches, get rid of that.
Then you go after the schools, undermine that. Then you
got to go after the law enforcement. Right, what is left?
Boy Scouts? I was a Boy Scout leader for my
son who is a Marine officer right now, deployed.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
That was the best thing for that young man. It
was an opportunity for him to be.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
A leader, to fail safely, to be with other boys
his age. That institution has been nearly destroyed.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'm not saying that they did nothing wrong, right, but
there are things and there are forces that want to
absolutely destroy those institutions that are absolutely underpinning for our society,
and most of them are gone. Law enforcement has suffered
tremendously in the last few years. Who do you turn to. Well,
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now we have to take it upon ourselves to understand.
All right, I still support the police one, but I
have to acknowledge that it's going to take them twice
as long to get to me now as it used
to just five years ago. They're understaffed, under resourced, undertrained.
So I have to become my first responder for my family,
whatever that means, right, If.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's that also that also for communities where law enforcement
is critical on a daily basis, that also means that
I have to try to go to war every day,
and that has created war zones in this country that
we ignore. We are all guilty of ignoring it because
we hear about it on the news. Every Monday. This
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many murders in this city over the weekend. This many
murders in that city over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And you are right. It started with removing the churches.
They started that.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
As soon as they could remove fathers from the house,
and they could remove the faith, they could remove the church.
The head of the family is gone, the church will fall.
And churches fell in a lot of those communities. A
lot of those communities were built up by faith. Once
they got rid of the community church, they.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Took over the schools.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
The worst schools in our nation are in urban areas
where crime is high. That is not a coincidence. That
is being ignored by the left. I say that this
is one of the biggest crises the United States has
ever seen. Is that we took whole communities and we
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ignored them, and we took away any safety protection. Then
then you took the police away. To your point, then
you took the police away. What is there and why
is this something that they can go out and chant,
defund the police, They can go out and trash Christianity,
and nobody on our side has been as vocal about this.
And I guess I argued with some of the ways
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that Charlie talked about this. But as I look back
at how this has these communities have been broken down,
I think we just haven't faced the fact that there
is something deeper.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It's not just about votes, it's about destruction.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
No, you're right, I said this, and I've been saying
this for a long time now, and I think this
is it's really coming to a head now, at least
I hope we are in a real crisis spot in America.
But long ago, decades ago, we lost our ability to
say no to anything. Right, you can't tell an individual
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no anymore. You can't tell an individual no, You're not
allowed to marry a fire hydrant or you know what,
it's just.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Completely he's a letter box at school.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Right, you are not a cat.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't care if you identify as a cat. That
is strange important behavior. You don't get to be. So
what we've done, unfortunately, is we have supplanted the needs
of society and catered to the needs of the extreme
fringe few. I still support their needs. They are American
citizens too, But what we have to understand is we
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can't cater.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
To just that and ignore the middle.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And the middle is I'm talking like the ninety five
percent of us that are in the middle I still
believe can't agree to disagree, just want to go home
to our families, just want to go.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
To work and provide.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It's that extreme fringe, though fueled by social media, fueled
by clicks and rage baiting, that is controlling the narrative today.
And that's where and that we've just lost our ability
to say no.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's just so hard to look at this country and
see what we're seeing when it comes to violence today.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And Charlie was talking.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
About violence as he was in his last answer on
his podcast the day before, talking about the stabbing in
North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But I mean, you bring up a great point.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
We've had so many assassinations and assassination attempts. I mean,
think about what is going on, and it's all political
in this country. You have two assassination attempts on President Trump,
you have the assassination of the United Healthcare Worker. You
have the assassinations in New York just a few weeks
ago when they went into the NFL building and they
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shot people at Black Rock as Black rock was.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
The Yeah, that's right in the NFL offices.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes, yes, And you also have the two legislators in
Minnesota who were shot at their homes.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean, this is beyond a boiling point now. And
now you have.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Charlie in front of college students, which I just cannot imagine.
I have a sixteen year old daughter. I watched the
video it was sent to me. I was unprepared for
what it was. I opened it up and I was
physically ill immediately. I just I saw it, and you know,
your mind goes, there's no way that he lived through.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
That, but you still are holding out hope that he did.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And all those young people they sat there and they
watched this happen. I saw it on my phone and
I'm so damaged by it. And I can't imagine my
girls sitting there and seeing this live. And his family.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I got a call this morning from my daughter. My
youngest is on the road. She just graduated from college.
Young person, wonderful, sweet, you know, young person who's you know,
by design, been sheltered from as much of this as
I can I possibly do. And she said, I saw
what happened. I was scrolling through looking at you know,
puppies and stuff. She sends me the best, happiest little
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videos to try to make my day, and it's one
of the bright spots of my day.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
You get these stupid little videos to make you laugh.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But she's scrolling through that, and of course this is
all that's out there right now. And she saw what
happened at Charlie Kirk, you know, didn't even know what
was going on, and it devastated her. And so I
told her, I said, you and I are going to
talk later today. I have seen a lot of things
that I never got out of my head. There are
strategies you can do to deal with it, but yeah,
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it is. It is crushing to see what has happened
with the United States. You know, I grew up in
the eighties and grew up as a real fan of
Ronald Reagan. He was the hero that we needed in
the eighties. And yet I saw and admired his relationship
to Speaker O'Neil the other.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Side of the aisle.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Right, Yeah, they would disagree vehemently, right, and then go
have a beer together. That's what America is about, and
we have lost that.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I served on Attorney General Bars detail, and I have
tremendous respect for that man. He is a great patriot,
incredible constitutionalist, and he served two terms, right he served
under George Burgh, the original, the first, not George w.
George HW as one of the youngest, if not the youngest,
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attorney general.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
And then again under President.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Trump, and just in that span of time, Washington changed
almost it's almost unrecognizable, just to really, oh, yeah, there
is no collegial exchange, and if there is, there's very few,
and I thank them for it. But our lawmakers can't
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even speak civilly to each other, much less go have
a beer and disagree and move the American people's business forward.
It is a zero sum game. We must get out
of this zero sum game because it's it is a
recipe for disaster. And our enemies, both domestically and foreign,
are laughing all the way to the bank. They are
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hoping and just they've got their popcorn going watching this
dumpster fire that is America right now.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
We're the only ones that can put that out.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Though, absolutely, And you make such a great point. That
was what Charlie's point was. Everybody should talk civilly to
one another so we continue forward. I know that that
we're sad and we're going to hit that angry point.
But I appreciate you being on here today to remind
us that you well, I guess my mom would say,
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you catch more flies with honey. So you go out
there and you be the happy warrior, and you don't
let this take down an entire movement. You don't let
this take down faith. You don't let this take away
your joy because Charlie wouldn't want that. And I thank you,
thank you for getting me through this podcast. Everybody, well,
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just really appreciate what you had to say today.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Rob Chadwick, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Peter, thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And my last words would be listen, don't let them win.
Don't don't let them.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, thank don't let them win. Keep fighting, never forget.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I mean, on a day like this, absolutely, that's the
American way.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They will not crush our spirit. They may have broken
our hearts, but they will not crush our spirit. Thank
you and thank you all for joining us on the
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there as a happy warrior and have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. This one's a little
bit different, guys, because we have all been through a
real tragedy in the last few days and we are
all really broken up about it. And interestingly, before that
even happened, we had Rob on the schedule to come
on this podcast. And it's like God plans things out
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for us, doesn't he. And I'm like asking God, right now,
get me through this because I have really struggled the
past few days with Charlie's death. But we have Rob
Chadwick here with us today. He is the United States
Concealed Carry Association Principal Training Advisor and just so happens
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to be a thirty year law enforcement veteran and the
former head of the Tactical Training Unit at the FBI
Academy in Quantico.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Rob knows all about this.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
He's trained elite teams, he's led SWAT operations, and he's
served as the project protection detail for six US Attorneys General. Rob,
I said, I don't know if I can do this,
and I really didn't know if I could do this,
but You're like so gracious you talked me through this
and got me to start recording because I knew that
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your message is so important because you know so much more.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
About this than we do.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And I look at what happened and I think, gosh,
so many of us on a regular basis go to
events like that and speak.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And maybe we have security a few guys like Charlie did.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Maybe we don't, and we really don't think that's what
happened to Charlie Kirk that an assassination on speech for speaking,
an assassination of a human life for speaking, will ever happen,
but it did. So tell us from your perspective, what happened, Peter.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, let me start by saying thank you for
this opportunity, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I know you and Charlie knew each other, and many
of your.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Colleagues knew him well.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I did not know or ever get a chance to
meet Charlie, but I was a long time admirer of his,
specifically his courage and grace in trying to foster what
is most important in American society, and that is civil discourse. Right,
we are a nation built on the freedom of speech
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and you know, hopefully mutual respect and what I want
people you know today on all days, right of nine
to eleven, Remembrance day of the terrorist attack that happened
to us almost twenty five years ago, twenty four years ago.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I of course remember it well.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was a special Agent sign of the Miami Division,
and we'll remember that day like many of the previous
generation remember the day Kennedy was shot. And unfortunately this
next generation remember yesterday the day Charlie Kirk was shot
on you know, basically broadcast everywhere.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Everyone was talking about it.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And I want people and I want your listeners, and
I want you to take this and sort of reframe
because there is no doubt about it. What you saw
yesterday was an act of terrorism, all right. Terrorism is
defined as an act that is designed to cause fear
and so dissension and undermine the fabric of a society
(03:27):
and get you to change your behaviors through terrorist acts. Right,
And that's exactly what we saw yesterday. It's exactly what
we saw. You know, when the healthcare CEO is assassinated.
I will never name these shooters, but you know that
person that assassinated, you know, the healthcare CEO up in
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New York. And then we had two political one near
assassination and one attempted up in Michigan. I believe there
was the attempt at Governor Whitmer not too long ago.
These are all designed to get us to change not
only what we do and what we say, but who
we are as an American people.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
All right.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What we cannot do is continue to allow the fringe few,
whether it's the far left or the far right, it
doesn't matter the fringe few to dictate what is important
in how we as an American people react. Okay, and
Charlie Kirk, more than anybody I know, was that champion.
I actually, as somebody who was a lot older than him,
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tried to emulate his style and his gracefulness and his
graciousness in that respectful discourse, right face to face, agree
to disagree, never name calling, but also the courage to
stand up for what he knew to be right, what
he knew to be correct, correct, and just to you know,
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I would consider him an absolute martyr, because that's what
the definition of a martyr is too. And so what
we cannot do is allow us to be lured into
that reaction that these people want, these fringe lunatics, want
us to be angry and divisive and violent.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's not who we are.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well or they want us to be quiet.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And I think that's the thing, that's the reason I'm
doing this today, is that we're not going to be silenced.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
We're not going to be quiet.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
They've tried to quiet us every way possible, and this
is the worst.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean, we've been.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
We've been through years of silencing in the media, silencing
on social media, we've been through years of law fare.
We've seen now two assassination at Tepson on a president.
But really, I think so many of us who just speak,
who speak the truth and speak the gospel. And I
think that was one of the biggest takeaways for me
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of this is that Charlie Kirk was out there every
day preaching. It wasn't just politics for him. Always agree
with his politics, but where his faith was, where his
promotion of family. That I think that was what they
feared the most, actually was the idea that he could
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potentially bring family back to this country. Because family cannot
be broken. Family is a bond like no other. It
is so hard to break that family bond, and they
have spent the Left has spent decades breaking the family bond,
and it took them that long and Charlie Kirk has
been doing this for twelve years, and in twelve years
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he started to change the young men in this country
to say I want that bond, I want that family,
I want a wife, I want children.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And he was getting to the women.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The women aren't there yet, I'll admit I see that
the women are taking a little bit longer. But he
was getting the men to that point where they said, gosh, yeah,
I want that traditional family. And that scared the left
so badly. Then instead of debating him, instead of arguing
going with him.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
They went out and assassinated him.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, you hit your spot on right.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
The reason they assassinated him was because he was so effective, right,
It wasn't because he was this Actually, I was disgusted
this morning when I saw I believe it was the
New York Times. It was one of the New York papers,
and I'll have to figure out exactly which one it was,
But one of the New York papers characterized Charlie Kirk
as a right wing provocateur, and that is just that's
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just not correct. I'm sorry, that's that's outrageous to say
that what he was was a champion of open discourse,
the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the freedom
to debate our fellow citizens in a peaceful, respectful manner.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And that is powerful.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
When we see someone like you know what, I don't
disagree or I don't necessarily agree with him or her,
but they make a they make a persuasive argument in
a respectful way.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
That is powerful. That is dangerous.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And that is why he was And I will tell
you his young, beautiful children, his wife, his entire family.
I know that they are just devastated, they are just
ruined over this, but they have so much to be
proud of in that man. He has done more for
the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, American values
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than many many people that I could even think of.
I mean it just he is a hero and is
now all time hero.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And he preached a message of happiness, a message that
there is a life out there on this earth that
is good, and there's a life beyond this, there is
an eternal life as well, and that you can make
the most of this life by following God and following
God's teachings.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And they just hated that.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I really believe that they hated that because he didn't
believe that you could change your gender because you can't.
And the fact that he spoke that truth made people crazy.
I mean, and now we're hearing today that some of
the bullets on this gun had some transanti or pro
transgender messaging on it, or it's something. We're just hearing
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bits and pieces of what's going on. I think a
lot of people are saying, how could this happen? You
look at the diagram and for me, I look at
this and I'm like, did somebody know where he would be?
Because this shooter was on a roof that was very
I mean very far from where he was. They had
to be good at what they were doing. They knew
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to how to get away, they knew what to wear.
What is your when you look at what happened? How
how did it happen?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I want to I want to start by saying that again,
you hit it right on the head.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
This was an.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Advertised, heavily advertised event, right it was. It's a part
of his tour. And uh so I always tell people,
you know, you can apply this to your life. I
applied to my life. People should apply this. Whatever is
predictable is exploitable. Okay, So if I know where you're
going to be.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Just like just like the assassination in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
City, right, that was a heavily publicized event where all
the shareholders or the executive officers were going to be.
And we know that that assassin stalked the CEO because
it was predictable.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
We knew exactly where he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Same thing with Charlie Kirk, Okay, very simple to figure out, Well,
he's going to be in this amphitheater and then we
could see the seating on it's he's going to be
right there.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And so I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know, there's lots of conspiracy theories and I understand that, right,
it's lots of sillacious.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We want to know, we want to know.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
That's you know, that's where the human mind goes. The
human mind is like, I can figure this out, but
we have no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
We have no idea, and I will tell you and
and and it's it's generally speaking, the most simple answer
is usually the one that comes out. I tend to doubt.
I don't know anything, right, I'm not in the FBI anymore.
I tend to doubt this was a professional hit or
some this was somebody who was determined, actually put some
planning into it. But with just a little bit of discipline,
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a little bit of forethought and a little bit of planning,
that was a relatively easy thing to accomplish. I hate
to say, a two hundred yard shot with a modern
hunting rifle and a sighted in that's all day long
for the average shooter, especially from a position where they
are stable, and it looked like this person was probably
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in a prone position, which is exactly as a former sniper,
that's how you that's the ideal position is most points
of contact with the ground, so there's no movement, and
then you have that he had all day long to
line up his sites and take the shot when he
wanted to, and that's what happened. So I don't think
it was necessarily this professional type of thing. It didn't
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take a high level of skill or sophistication. It took
a little bit of discipline, a little bit of planning,
and obviously they had good information on where Charlie was
going to be, and that is what is exploitable.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Unfortunately, well, they found the weapon, or they believe they
found the weapon, and that leads me to believe that
it wasn't professional because I would imagine you don't leave
your weapon behind, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I really am asking you.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I agree the fact that they found, my understanding again
is that they found a rifle wrapped up in a
towel in the woods nearby. You know, I can guarantee
you that the FBI, the ATF, every resource available to
the federal, state, local governments will be devoted to grinding
on this.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
There's one thing I guarantee you is that once the
FBI gets their sit set on you, you were going
to be found.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
The ATF is just the same. Right.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
They will move heaven and earth as they should, because again,
this is not just a murder.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
This is an act of terrorism.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
This is an attack against our country, against our values,
against our fabric. I know the President is going to
authorize that. I know Director Patel will move heaven and
Earth to make sure that we apprehend this suspect bring
them to.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Justice no matter what.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
As we mourn today, we also remember that nearly two
years ago, terrorists murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis
and took two hundred and fifty hostages. Today, it seems
as if the cries of the dead and the dying
have been drowned out by these crazy shouts of anti
Semitic hatred and the most brutal attack on the Jewish
people since the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Has been forgotten. But this is not the case. As
the world looks away, there is a light shining in
this darkness. It's a movement of.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Love and support for the people of Israel called Flags
of Fellowship, and it's organized by the International Fellowship of
Christians in Jews. On October fifth, just a few weeks away,
millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty
twenty three and their grieving families. And now you can
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be a part of this movement too. To get more.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Information about how you can join the Flags.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org.
That's i f CJ dot org. Go there now and
join the movement. What do you think the next steps
are for the conservative movement? I mean, obviously we we
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see Charlie as the leader of this grassroots movement for
young people, and I think that turning point is obviously rocked,
and we are all rocked. And I've heard people saying, Okay,
this event's not safe anymore. We'll cancel this event, we'll
keep this event. Well, how do we how do we
manage this? And you've seen some people who because the
shooter has not been found, I think that there are
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people who are saying, I don't want to go out
and do anything just yet, because I have a family,
I have kids, you know here.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know, and then and in the very short term,
that's wise. Okay, if they're is another highly publicized event,
you know, maybe you do share it. But long term,
you ask what do we do? And what we do
is we don't let them win, all right. We take
the high road. Always, always take the high road, even
when it's painful, even when it's you know, our gut instinct.
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And I was so angry last night I had to
walk for hours. I just went out for a long
walk by myself to try to collect my thoughts and
my initiation, you know, like many of us, probably doom
scrolling right and seeing all these despicable human beings posting
these horrible you know, i'll call them rage baiting type
of posts about celebrating the death of this this young father.
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That is a form of terrorism. Don't forget that. They
want you to react. They want you to show your
rearin They want you to show your anger and your
you know, lack of judgment and poise.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Deprive them of that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
The best thing you can do is take that stoic
approach that you know what, we're better than this. We're
better than you because we believe in the freedom of speech.
You disagree with me, I actually swore a oath to
defend your right to do that right.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I was in DC when they were rioting right after
George Floyd was killed.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
My unit was called up from Quantico to try to
help quell that rioting that was going on and around
Lafayette Park. And here are these people who were yelling
and spitting and screaming. But the entire time reminding myself
and all the other agents that were there, Guys, these
are American citizens. Most of them are American citizens. They
have a right to peacefully protest, and I swore an
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oath to do that, and I think all Americans should
respect that. Now, it doesn't make me angry, Yes, it
makes me angry, but I absolutely respect their right to
do so, and if you can rise above that, that
is the ultimate revenge is to not react, not take
de bait, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know, Greg got Feld has said on the five
after this was announced, he said, you know, Republicans, we
just don't radicalize. Well, that's not who we are, that's
not our party. And I think his point was, you know,
at this point, we're all really mad right now. I
think we're all really devastated, you know. And I had
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a similar experience to you. I was walking and I'm
getting my kids ready for bed, and this is all
going through my mind, and I was thinking, I'm really
sad right now, just really heartbroken for his family, for
our movement, but the we're gonna get angry, because I
know those are the stages we're gonna get angry. And
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you make such a great point. Angry isn't what Charlie
would want. Angry wasn't his movement. Angry is their side.
And I've been thinking about this all day. I'm like
his message was a message of life, and I know
sometimes it was tough love and sometimes, like I said,
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I didn't agree with what the message was at all,
but the overarching message.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Of we are the party that cares for you. We
are the party of family.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Tell us why you don't believe in life? Tell us
why you don't believe in in gender? Why, tell us
why you don't believe.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
In these things? And he listened and he let them
tell him why.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
But the other side puts out these things in their
yard and say love is love and there is no
hate here. But it's like they've reversed that word. It's
like they've taken love over and changed brainwashed people to
believe that hate is love. And I think it's because
it's a movement.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Where you have to have hate to keep going.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's a movement where you have to be a victim
and there has to be an oppressor.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And because the.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Only way you can get those people on your side
is that you cannot help yourself, you need us to
help you. And Charlie's message it was very different. It
was you have all of the resources right here, this
is your country. You are the people, You are the disciples,
You are the people that build the families.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And they hated that. And I just keep.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Thinking about how the devil is real and he is
powerful and he wins battles, but we don't stop fighting,
and our fighting is so much different than theirs.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's not fighting with hate.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You're spot on. You mentioned radicalization, and gut Felts is right.
You know, the right doesn't radicalize. I would challenge us, though,
to embrace radicalism in a different way. I try to
embrace radical stoicism. All right, drive people bananas by your
lack of letting them provoke your reaction.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We all learn as children we can't control people's actions.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
We cannot, and this is the United States. We're not
supposed to.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Can control is our reaction to their actions. All right,
And as you know, you mentioned Jesus and the biblical teachings.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Look how just insane.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
He drove the devil right by not rising to the bait, right,
not acting as.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
He thought he should.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That is the ultimate revenge that we can play, is
to control our actions. Be that stoic professional still stand
for American values, still stand for that.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Hey, you know what, I can't stand what you're putting
on social media, but I respect your right to do it.
I absolutely respect your right to do it, and I
always will.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And you're not.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Going to make me angry enough, you know, to change
my mind. You're not going to change me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Your actions do not get to change who I am
and what I believe in.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I had a friend reach out to me last night
and said, I don't know if you knew Charlie or not.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I didn't agree with what he said.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I didn't like anything that he's said, but I imagine that
it's tough, and I'm sorry, and nobody deserves to have
this happen to them. And I thanked her, and she said,
but honestly, how do you think we get through this?
Because the country is at a boiling point. We're on
different sides of the aisle. And I said back to her,
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this is how we talk. We say we disagree, but
we still love each other.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
We are all Americans. That's the first and foremost right.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
We always You know, there's plenty of my family members
that I deeply love and deeply disagree with, but I
would do anything for them, anything.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Right much Exactly, I would do anything for the person
who posts something horrible that I vehemently disagree with. And
I've seen and I have to say that this is
not the Left as a whole, and that would be
unfair to say that because I have seen left wing
influencers who have come out in tears and said, this
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isn't what this is about. And you know, we're here
to talk. We can't believe it. We're devastated, and so
I I and I'm not belittling the fact that the
media has created this problem. And I fully, I fully
support the blame on the media. I mean, my gosh,
this happens and you have MSNBC's saying, oh, it's probably
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a celebratory shot from one of his supporters.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It's like, I can't even comprehend how sick that is.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's a it's remember, the media is not the media
of our grandparents.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
No, it's notice.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It is a pay for play. It is clickbait all
the time, eyeballs. They are playing to their audience there
and they're you know, the more they can be sensational,
the more they get their struggling network to be mentioned right, like,
that's what they want.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And I think that's part of the problem with society
today is that these radical news agencies decided that the
only way they could compete with the message, the good
message of the conservatives, the good message of joy and
happiness and godliness, was to try to damage society.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Try to have the most radical message out there.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And I honestly see this as a battle of good
and evil when you have these lies that they spew
on a regular basis. Because someone said that this to
me yesterday. If you can tell people that speech is violence,
then you can respond to speech with violence.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Well, so never forget. And this is a lesson that
I learned. It was profound to me as a brand
new special agent in the FBI. A long time ago.
We had a former Soviet KGB colonel come and speak
to my class, and he had run for decades from
the sixties seventies, eighties, the psychological operations to undermine the
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United States.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Told he said, listen, this is a playbook, right.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And I'm not saying this was a Soviet plot, right,
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is this influence
that same playbook is being used because they go after
the institutions.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
First.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
You got to go after the churches, get rid of that.
Then you go after the schools, undermine that. Then you
got to go after the law enforcement. Right, what is left?
Boy Scouts? I was a Boy Scout leader for my
son who is a Marine officer right now, deployed.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
That was the best thing for that young man. It
was an opportunity for him to be.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
A leader, to fail safely, to be with other boys
his age. That institution has been nearly destroyed.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'm not saying that they did nothing wrong, right, but
there are things and there are forces that want to
absolutely destroy those institutions that are absolutely underpinning for our society,
and most of them are gone. Law enforcement has suffered
tremendously in the last few years. Who do you turn to. Well,
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now we have to take it upon ourselves to understand.
All right, I still support the police one, but I
have to acknowledge that it's going to take them twice
as long to get to me now as it used
to just five years ago. They're understaffed, under resourced, undertrained.
So I have to become my first responder for my family,
whatever that means, right, If.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's that also that also for communities where law enforcement
is critical on a daily basis, that also means that
I have to try to go to war every day,
and that has created war zones in this country that
we ignore. We are all guilty of ignoring it because
we hear about it on the news. Every Monday. This
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many murders in this city over the weekend. This many
murders in that city over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And you are right. It started with removing the churches.
They started that.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
As soon as they could remove fathers from the house,
and they could remove the faith, they could remove the church.
The head of the family is gone, the church will fall.
And churches fell in a lot of those communities. A
lot of those communities were built up by faith. Once
they got rid of the community church, they.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Took over the schools.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
The worst schools in our nation are in urban areas
where crime is high. That is not a coincidence. That
is being ignored by the left. I say that this
is one of the biggest crises the United States has
ever seen. Is that we took whole communities and we
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ignored them, and we took away any safety protection. Then
then you took the police away. To your point, then
you took the police away. What is there and why
is this something that they can go out and chant,
defund the police, They can go out and trash Christianity,
and nobody on our side has been as vocal about this.
And I guess I argued with some of the ways
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that Charlie talked about this. But as I look back
at how this has these communities have been broken down,
I think we just haven't faced the fact that there
is something deeper.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It's not just about votes, it's about destruction.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
No, you're right, I said this, and I've been saying
this for a long time now, and I think this
is it's really coming to a head now, at least
I hope we are in a real crisis spot in America.
But long ago, decades ago, we lost our ability to
say no to anything. Right, you can't tell an individual
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no anymore. You can't tell an individual no, You're not
allowed to marry a fire hydrant or you know what,
it's just.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Completely he's a letter box at school.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Right, you are not a cat.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't care if you identify as a cat. That
is strange important behavior. You don't get to be. So
what we've done, unfortunately, is we have supplanted the needs
of society and catered to the needs of the extreme
fringe few. I still support their needs. They are American
citizens too, But what we have to understand is we
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can't cater.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
To just that and ignore the middle.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And the middle is I'm talking like the ninety five
percent of us that are in the middle I still
believe can't agree to disagree, just want to go home
to our families, just want to go.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
To work and provide.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It's that extreme fringe, though fueled by social media, fueled
by clicks and rage baiting, that is controlling the narrative today.
And that's where and that we've just lost our ability
to say no.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's just so hard to look at this country and
see what we're seeing when it comes to violence today.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And Charlie was talking.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
About violence as he was in his last answer on
his podcast the day before, talking about the stabbing in
North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But I mean, you bring up a great point.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
We've had so many assassinations and assassination attempts. I mean,
think about what is going on, and it's all political
in this country. You have two assassination attempts on President Trump,
you have the assassination of the United Healthcare Worker. You
have the assassinations in New York just a few weeks
ago when they went into the NFL building and they
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shot people at Black Rock as Black rock was.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
The Yeah, that's right in the NFL offices.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes, yes, And you also have the two legislators in
Minnesota who were shot at their homes.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean, this is beyond a boiling point now. And
now you have.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Charlie in front of college students, which I just cannot imagine.
I have a sixteen year old daughter. I watched the
video it was sent to me. I was unprepared for
what it was. I opened it up and I was
physically ill immediately. I just I saw it, and you know,
your mind goes, there's no way that he lived through.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
That, but you still are holding out hope that he did.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And all those young people they sat there and they
watched this happen. I saw it on my phone and
I'm so damaged by it. And I can't imagine my
girls sitting there and seeing this live. And his family.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I got a call this morning from my daughter. My
youngest is on the road. She just graduated from college.
Young person, wonderful, sweet, you know, young person who's you know,
by design, been sheltered from as much of this as
I can I possibly do. And she said, I saw
what happened. I was scrolling through looking at you know,
puppies and stuff. She sends me the best, happiest little
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videos to try to make my day, and it's one
of the bright spots of my day.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
You get these stupid little videos to make you laugh.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But she's scrolling through that, and of course this is
all that's out there right now. And she saw what
happened at Charlie Kirk, you know, didn't even know what
was going on, and it devastated her. And so I
told her, I said, you and I are going to
talk later today. I have seen a lot of things
that I never got out of my head. There are
strategies you can do to deal with it, but yeah,
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it is. It is crushing to see what has happened
with the United States. You know, I grew up in
the eighties and grew up as a real fan of
Ronald Reagan. He was the hero that we needed in
the eighties. And yet I saw and admired his relationship
to Speaker O'Neil the other.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Side of the aisle.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Right, Yeah, they would disagree vehemently, right, and then go
have a beer together. That's what America is about, and
we have lost that.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I served on Attorney General Bars detail, and I have
tremendous respect for that man. He is a great patriot,
incredible constitutionalist, and he served two terms, right he served
under George Burgh, the original, the first, not George w.
George HW as one of the youngest, if not the youngest,
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attorney general.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
And then again under President.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Trump, and just in that span of time, Washington changed
almost it's almost unrecognizable, just to really, oh, yeah, there
is no collegial exchange, and if there is, there's very few,
and I thank them for it. But our lawmakers can't
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even speak civilly to each other, much less go have
a beer and disagree and move the American people's business forward.
It is a zero sum game. We must get out
of this zero sum game because it's it is a
recipe for disaster. And our enemies, both domestically and foreign,
are laughing all the way to the bank. They are
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hoping and just they've got their popcorn going watching this
dumpster fire that is America right now.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
We're the only ones that can put that out.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Though, absolutely, And you make such a great point. That
was what Charlie's point was. Everybody should talk civilly to
one another so we continue forward. I know that that
we're sad and we're going to hit that angry point.
But I appreciate you being on here today to remind
us that you well, I guess my mom would say,
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you catch more flies with honey. So you go out
there and you be the happy warrior, and you don't
let this take down an entire movement. You don't let
this take down faith. You don't let this take away
your joy because Charlie wouldn't want that. And I thank you,
thank you for getting me through this podcast. Everybody, well,
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just really appreciate what you had to say today.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Rob Chadwick, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Peter, thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And my last words would be listen, don't let them win.
Don't don't let them.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, thank don't let them win. Keep fighting, never forget.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I mean, on a day like this, absolutely, that's the
American way.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They will not crush our spirit. They may have broken
our hearts, but they will not crush our spirit. Thank
you and thank you all for joining us on the
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