May 7, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Tudor broadcasts from the Job Creators Network Summit and is joined by Representatives Beth Van Duyne and Rich McCormick to discuss the upcoming midterm elections, the economic strategies surrounding tariffs and trade, and the influence of China on the global economy. They delve into the importance of energy independence, the future of energy sources, and the intersection of energy and agriculture. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are
here at the Job Creator's Network Freedom Fighters Summit. We
actually I'm here with US representatives Beth Man Dune and
Rich McCormick. Rich and I just got off of a
panel that was a little bit of a feisty panel together.
But we were talking about debt, so it should be feisty, right.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I love a good debate. It wasn't even really debate.
It was just different opinions on the same thing. We
all centuly agree with each other, but the variety of opinions.
I love how people came from different angles. I love
the way it was hosted from kind of a devil's
advocate position that it made it fun.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But you said something that was scary. You said we
are going to lose the midterms. So I'm giving you
a chance to say you don't think we are well.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I hope we'd both if we do things.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I think this game of chicken, the president Trump's pain
on terrors, I think he's go pay out. I think
it's brilliant. Who has the guts to do that. He's
a bold president. Yeah, and if he gets seventy nations
that come to the table was zero zero teriffs, including
twenty of the biggest economies in the world next ours.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That would be a huge win.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Now, what happens with China is gonna be a instrumental
in that, but everybody else already wants zero zero tarots.
That's a huge win for him, and if it pays off,
you're right, we can maintain. Statistically, though you lose twenty
seats in a midterm, we lose three, we're in the.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Minor less seats.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That's a lot of seats.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So China is interesting because China is playing a game
of chicken.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
It was an economy that is not great for them
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
They have an aging population, they're not they don't have
enough workers. They've taken off, they've bitten off more than
they can chew right now. And I think he sees that.
But do you think that the American people are missing something?
And do you think he's missing something?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think if we look at China in the way
they do their federal reserve is different from us. They
pay themselves, they don't have to rely on people actually
buying treasury notes because of the way they design they alter
their currency. They've been cheating their way to the top
since they joined the World Trade Organization twenty years ago.
They're made in the China Initiative in twenty fifteen, which
is tripled their economy, led to exploitation of separate countries,
(02:04):
but they also have some real advantages of reps. Remember,
they can produce two hundred times the shipping capacity we cand.
They have fifty more, fifty times more pers than we do.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
They have something and that gives them the largest navy
in the world. And I think people don't understand then.
Having the largest navy in the world puts US at
a huge disadvantage when it comes to them potentially invading.
And I talked to a general years ago and I said,
but they went and do that to us naively because
we provide them with some We purchased so much from them,
and we provide we have this trade partnership. It's like
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that doesn't matter when you're dealing with a dictator. So
I do think that's something we need to stay aware of.
Having these ports. Having the largest navy in the world
puts US at a great disadvantage with a country like
China that is wanting to rule the world and they're.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Trying to destabilize our currency on purpose. They're using bricks.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They're also using their devesting divesting from our debt. They
used to have excellent bricks, So bricks is basically an
alliance of different countries are trying to get out the
US currency as the standard since Britain woods and seventy.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Two US dollar has been the goal center of curses.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Everybody else based their currency off of our currency gives
us tremendous political and economic advantages, but they want to
make you get rid of the petroval. They want to
make sure that people are trying to use trade and
yen or trade in anything but the American currency because
they want.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
To supplant us as the world power.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Remember, they've gone from about five trillion dollar economy about
ten years ago to a seventeen trillion dollar economy. We've
grown too, but we're up to about twenty seven trillion.
They're closing on us very rapidly, and of course with
their innovations, the fact they can streamline their economy because
only one person makes all the dicisi in really the country,
they don't have a balanced democracy like we do. With
competitive powers at play. With the advanced regulation and taxation
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system that we have. We're playing into their hands in
many ways. So we have to be very very cebrige.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And we're importing five to one what we export to China,
and that's a problem as well. I don't think people
realize how much we actually buy from China. The President
was talking about made in America. He came to Michigan
this week. He was saying, made in the USA or
my three favorite words. Is it possible to get back
to made in the USA?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Well, that absolutely, but it also depends on what you're
talking about. You know, we're talking about automotive automotives where
a lot of the critical elements may not be here
in our country. Or are we are we talking about
fruits and vegetables that we can grow here? But I mean,
we have a global economy. When we talk about China,
the fact is that China is looking at They own
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a lot of our debt. If we go down, they're
going to lose that, and they have such a precarious
economy right now they can't afford to have that happen.
They rely on our markets to purchase their products. If
we go down, that can't happen. So we do have
a yin yang relationship with China. But the fact is
they're playing the long game. We start looking at the
investments that they are making in other countries, the trade
agreements that they have with other countries. They are trying
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to own the infrastructure of all of Africa, of Latin America,
and they're getting into the Middle East. As proud as
we are about our economic freedom and our economic independence
on our energy sector and how we were able to
not only be energy independent but also be able to
outsource an export some of our American freedom fuel. The
fact is is that o're imbalanced now with Saudi Arabia.
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With Chinese purchasing of their of their energy has put
us at a disadvantage. We don't have as much I think,
influence now in the Middle East, but we do have
an opportunity with trade agreements and making sure that we
are holding the feet to the fire of these countries
that we have strong trade balances with that they're actually complete,
completing you know, the agreements, and we haven't seen that
(05:35):
in the last four years. But I thought, no, Trump,
you do.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You're from Texas, so you brought up energy. Obviously, we
think of oil when we think of Texas.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
But you think of everything, what do you think of Texas?
What are you talking about? Got the cowboys? You got
the cowboys.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
We Michigan's great too.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
All right, We're not going to just highlight textae, although
I will say that, all right, I will capitulate it
because Texas has done an interesting job of opening their
regulation and their regulatory program and systems and the energy.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
We think of.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oil when we think of Texas, but we also should
think of renewable energy in Texas because you have wonder
Own there's fastest in the country.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
There and wind and solar area.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
So when you.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Hear people talking about that from being from there, and
I'm sure you've dealt with a lot of people on
both sides of that energy.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And when I've talked to people in the.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oil industry, They're like, we're not afraid of renewable energy.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
We want all energy.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So how do you think the energy conversation needs to
change for Republicans?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
So Texas is the eighth largest economy in the world.
That we are growing, you know, we're one of the
fastest growing states. There's a reason for that, as you mentioned,
you know, I'm cutting down regulations, having a positive business,
environment of freedom for our citizens. Those are all things
that people want to that come to that want no
one of the reason is why they want to move there.
But we also have with that growing population and the
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growing businesses have a higher and higher need for energy.
So we are all of the above, and you know,
the governor and I'm very thankful for this is pushing
now for nuclear. We need to be looking at all
of the above sources for energy, and we are seeing
the private sector that is uh, there are some of
the largest users of electricity. Will it come and be partners,
(07:21):
you know, saying that hey we can if we are
a bitcoin minor, for example, we can actually buy some
you know, buy some of the transformers. We can put
more energy on the grid during the day, and we
can use it when it's low need. Those are the
ways that kind of thinking outside you know, that are
our typical our thought process is the way that we
need to look at energy. But also not picking winners
(07:43):
and losers. And I think we have seen that in
the past and it's a it's a mistake I don't
want to repeat.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well, that's the interesting part.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You've talked a little bit about mandates and that's obviously
in Michigan, we have seen the energy mandates crush industry
because people you are afraid of hearing that you have
to be one hundred percent renewable by twenty three five.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
It's not possible to be one hundred percent renewable. But
that is also base power.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
You're never going to get these power exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So you so businesses are afraid they won't come to
the state of Michigan anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And that to me is very devastating.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So when you are talking about on a larger scale
reducing regulation, what about the fact that you have the
opposite side of the aisle wanting to push mandates, wanting
to create laws that prevent business.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You can see all the states that are doing that
are failing. They're driving businesses out of their state. Georgia,
the governor Kemp just talked about georgiea being the number
one state to do business for the last eleven years. No,
I'm not sure what criteria there is about buy because
we're in Georgia right now. We have we're the only
state in the last twenty years to actually build and
complete a nuclear power plant too them with Vogel and
(08:52):
the energy can spy is only part of the problem.
The solution, I should say. And if you look at
the natural gas that we have in America, the other
clean energies we have, not just the renewables, but actually
things that don't put out a huge carbon imprint. And
quite frankly, I'm not even concerned about that. If you
look at the amount of carbonatep the United States puts out,
it's if they're testable when you compare it to the
(09:15):
average sphere and the impact we had. There's tons of
books written on when you follow the real science, get
back the economics of business being good stewards of our
natural resources. But we have got to explore all these
energy sources because quite frankly, when Texas goes too much
into wind and solar, you can see how that's resulting
in bad things when the weather gets bad.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
That could go for any state.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
We have to be careful not to buy into the
liberal ideology of one source fits all. We have to
let the industry drive energy, not the regulatory burdens of
the American government.
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how do people feel when they end up with a
solar field near them or a wind because that's something that.
I mean, I think that's where the American people get nervous.
They're like, are we going to have food? Are we
going to have food issues? Food insecurity or whatever the
word is that.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
We use, which is just people not having enough food?
Are we going to end up with.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Actually the definition is not having a grocery store within
like two miles.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, I guess I would say I would worry about farms,
you know, like, well, do we have farms within two miles?
Then that really is a question are we going to
lose our farm land? The reaction in Michigan has been interesting.
They want local control of that and that's been taken away.
What do you how does that work in Texas.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
We've got a lot of land in Texas. Not all
of this, you know, necessary going to be farmland, all right,
and we got a lot of ranches in Texas on
but it's one of those things when we talk about food,
that's something everybody consumes, all right, I mean everybody is
a consumer of food, and making sure that we're protecting
our farmers, which means not selling land to places like China,
which you know, Texas been very good about coming out
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and saying we're not going to you know, we're not
selling our farm line to China. But also looking at
ways that farmers right now are kind of being harmed
and whether or not that's the state tax. That if
you've got a farm that's been in the family for
a number of years and all of a sudden, you know,
the owner dies, that the family now has to pay
this immensis state tax, they're going to have to sell
the property to be able to do it. So looking
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at ways that the government is actually harming that industry
is important. And I'm a big when we talk about energy,
I'm not necessarily looking at the industry picking winners and losers,
but I think the market should and I think it's
the same way when we look at on our tax side.
It's so often or not you see this big thumb
of government coming in and saying we're going to incentivize
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this at the cost of this other potential, you know,
research or technology because they just think it's better. The
fact is, let the market decide and get off the
stranglehold of the regulations.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You know something that I sure as you can tell
them and buy the bit.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So when it comes to solar panels, for example, the
biggest solar power producer in the world by far is China.
How much of their energy is produced by solar panels
less than one percent? Guess what in the United States,
we can buy them from China, we can produce them ourselves.
But guess how much of our energy is produced by
solar power less than one percent. It's not the answer, folks.
(13:24):
You can build all the solar panels you want, you could.
You can put it over all the sea beds, but
guess what. Now you're killing algae, which guess what it does.
It produces oxygen. It actually is.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
We have a lot of research.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
The side effects of it. I just don't think you're
going to offset the solar panel. Solar panels are absorbing
energy that would normally be used by by life, to
produce oxygen, to produce atmosphere, to do the things they's
supposed to do. It messes with the ecosystem. Nuclear power
is a great source of clean energy. If you want
to focus on that. You can recycle the nuclear waste
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and actually we can come out with some much more
efficient and it's a bridge to the next energy source,
which it may be something out of space.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Being down in the United.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
States because of three mile island, which set us back
decades and decades, and of course what happened over in
Russia obviously a bad thing, but quite frankly, in the
big safety and eco impact, it's very safe and we're
only going to get better at micro If you look
at the module reactors, that is the future energy consumption
is not going to go down. It's going to parabolically
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these AI supercenters. The fact that every kid walks around
with the computer in their hand, you think the energy
consumption is going to go down. Every kid has a
set of iPod EarPods, the fact that everybody has so
many electronics, and AI is expanding. This is just the
beginning of the next generation of energy consumption.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
We you talk about like solar energy, I don't necessarily
think now that it's going to If you have it
on a highway, which they're creating these already, you have
on a rooftop, you can create those already. People should
be able to use it. That's fine, especially at the
infrastructure is and there. I mean I was over in
Africa and they're using solar energy. However, the fact is
that Africa is so happy that eighty five percent of
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its energy is sustainable. But the fact is is that
when you start thinking about why so many people die
of starvation in Africa, the number one reason, do you
know what it is? Lack of refrigeration. Why do they
have lack of refrigeration because of lack of access to electricity. So,
while they may be promoting that, and by the way,
that's being promoted by China, because a lot of their infrastructure,
especially their energy and infrastructure, is being supported by China,
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who's actually benefiting financially from this and from owning the
long term infrastructure of an entire nation on the people
are suffering as a result. So solar has its fits,
and that's fine. If you are a consumer and you
know that is your focus, that is your priority. Fine,
you can have a market that creates it, but have
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the market be able to actually support that. It should
not be the government saying we're going to take a
baseline power like coal and we're going to demonize it,
and we're going to be able to prevent that from
exist staying without being so regulated that it actually harms it.
To taking something like solar and wind, which has its place.
And that's fine if they If people want to be
able to purchase it all for it create that in
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the market. But when you do it at the expense
of a baseline power load, you're harming people. In some instances,
you're killing people when you can't have you know, heat
and areas that you know get down to double digit
negatives when you can't have cool you know, air conditioning
in Texas when it's one hundred and nine degrees outside,
when you don't have access you know, hospitals and sometimes
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or if you are at home and you are on
you know, a machine that helps you breathe, that helps
gives you oxygen. You don't have access to electricity. That
is a problem. And I don't think the government when
it's looking at it's, oh, we're going to support this.
I've often laughed that you don't plug a Tesla into
a tree. You know, all of these things that we
are so proud of ourselves actually needs energy. And instead
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of again demonizing that industry, over regulating it, making it
not compact in the rest of the world, we need
to support it.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I mean, you think about just what you said, how
many things you plug in at the end of the night,
and you plug in so many devices right exactly so
you just have that constant stream of energy being used.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
But you brought up hospitals, and I think this is there.
What energy is one thing when it comes to hospitals.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But after COVID, we lost a lot of our rural hospitals.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We lost a lot of support there.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
What is the answer for healthcare for people in rural areas?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Complex question. It's a five trillion dollar industry in America.
Healthcare loan, it's the biggest spending item by far for individuals,
every individual. It's the biggest spending im in government, second
biggest spending item of business, probably the biggest expense for
most families if they buy their own health care program.
And it's the fastest inflationary cost to Americans by itself.
Our ecosystem of healthcare is a five trillion dollar inustry
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that would be the third largest economy in the world
by itself. Incredibly inefficient, but a quarter, actually over a
quarter now every dollar spent on healthcare goes to administs
true costs. Ironically, this ties into what your first question was,
the AI consumption.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
The money that we.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Spend on on supplying energy to AI can actually solve
our problem. If you just say ten percent of that
five trillion, that's a half a trillion dollars you could
spend somewhere else in the government it selves our debt problem.
It solves our healthcare problem because that money can be
shipped to other places where it can should be used better.
Because if we're using the AI to help write the
note to actually bill to actually solve the backload of
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by the way insurance company which make for the top
ten companies in America and seven of the top twenty,
which are making massive profits, where our Medicare and medici
are struggling mightily while we have forty percent denial of
an er billing system, where we have preapproval processes that
aren't happening. We as legislator and have to be smarter
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on how we hold those insurance companies accountable now.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I'm sure that I'm going.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
To be demonized by this because we also have to
face down the biggest lobbyist group in America. They could
pay a million dollars to every legislator, five hundred and
thirty five legislators and literally spend tens of millions against
each one of those people who stand up against them
because they don't want this problem solved because our waste
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is their profit. And this is the biggest problem. You
want to know why these world places can't survive because
their payer mix is off because they were so reliant
on Medicaid Medicare instead of insurance.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Companies that pay their share.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Of course, this way, it's incredibly a complex but the
fact that we don't have good competition, we have inefficient hospitals,
we have hostile systems that are employing most of the
doctors or the PBMs. I mean, you're talking about one
of the most complex systems, not just the most expensive,
most complex problems we have in America.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And the average legislator is.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Not a doctor, by the way, and even if you
are a doctor, doesn't mean you understand how this works. Anyways,
I came into Congress thinking I knew everything about healthcare.
I knew a fraction one I need to know to
solve the problem because it is a complex issue. Ways
and means manages, Medicare, energy and commerce E commerce, Medicaid.
Together they make up twenty six percent of the budget
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of a seven trillion dollar ecosystem.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So I want to get on the rural side. I mean,
one of the reasons why you see less healthcare now
on rural side is because you're seeing all of these
small group practices or solar practitioners getting pushed out out
of actual practice. This is a government this is this
is coming from government because we put so much more
regulations now on healthcare providers that they can't stay in business.
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They can't afford to actually keep their offices open. So
they are having their basically being forced to sell to
these huge mega corporations that what do they want to do.
They want to bring all of that to a massive
healthcare CYS center in the middle of a huge urban
area because it's cheaper. So if we really actually cared
about those rural areas, we would say, okay, cms, knock
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it off. You're not going to sit here and penalize
these small and look and I will. My dad, fifth
generation MD, he was a solo practitioner, but he found
it and he got wrung out of office because you
can't afford to have a regulatory department when you were
one physician practice. And so you think about the cost
you found as a direct result of this is you
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have less access, less quality of care, and more expensive
And the way to do it is just to lift
off the regulatory we had. We had a round table
of physicians and we had one woman there. He was
so frustrated she almost started to cry. We had news
cameras there, and she said, I went to medical school.
I learned what I learned, I had, you know, two
hundred fifty thousand dollars of debt when I graduated. I
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started my own practice. It was my dream, is what
I always wanted to do. I have a relationship with
my patients. She said. I found I could not stay
in business. I had to sell my practice at a loss.
I am now employed by a hospital system. She goes,
I am no longer practicing medicine. I am following regulations.
She was a monkey could do my job. And they
don't know my patients. And we have people who never
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ever study medicine who are making these decisions on people
piecesus lies. That's one of the huge problems that we've got.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And to my point, now, you have used to be
seventeen percent of physicians working for the hospital systems.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Nowa is they were eighty percent. And it's more expensive.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So, for example, on the pay cut that we do
for doctors every year, I'm Medicaid maker rebursas which we
just become them another two point eight percent last year.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
The hospitals don't get cut. So what happens.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You're forcing them with regulatory burden that they can't afford
because they don't have their own regular order.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I don't I can't employ a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Single person in a small practice to do the regulatory
burden of keeping up on all the billion and coding
and regulation.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And so by joining the hospital.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Also, in my if I just have an agreement with you,
my B twelve shot would go up by thousands of percent.
Sometimes it goes from being twelve dollars one hundred and
fifty dollars for a BEAT twelve shot because you made
an agreement with the hospital so you can work in
conjunction with them, so you can buy their medication, help
you with their nurses staffing. You sell your soul to
the hospital system. And hospitals aren't I don't want to
demonize them, but they're more expensive by thirty to forty
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percent a lot of times, and so by saving two
twenty eight percent on position reimbursements, you force them into
a thirty percent more expensive hospital system, to the detriment
of our world comans like representative of Van Dine was
just saying, and you basically ruined medicine because of an
unintended consequence of government and as regulation, taxation, and the
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way we approach medicine in general.
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Stay tuned for more. After this, took my daughter to
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the physician in town and they're like, oh, you got
to go to the big hospital system in grund Rapids
and see if she has to have surgery, and then
you just spend And I'm like, I'm just spending money.
But I mean, it even happens to me as a
cancer patient because I go, I'm like, okay, years now,
I've been going to the doctor every six months to
the big hospital system just to pay, and they're how
do you feel I'm like, I fund find when I
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had cancer. How do you know that I don't have cancer?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Now?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I just go in there and we chat. But I
feel like it's just because.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
They don't know you, right, they don't have a relationship
with you anymore. You are one of many because they've
basically become small governments, and then you're having to go
through the bureaucracy to. You know, it's not like you
pick up a phone somebody answers and they're like, oh yeah, tuner,
it's good to Harry. Howard's a family like they don't
know you anymore. And that is like half the couch
sure Is that a status? It's both. It's absolutely both.
(25:33):
When you look at the dollars that the state has
an ability to be able to transfer, they're choosing to
be able to do it to the huge healthcare networks.
During COVID, right, hospitals are getting paid thirty percent more
if they had said it was a COVID case and
we saw all of these hospitals hire all of these people.
Is it is a rocket and the people that suffer
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the most are Americans who need health care. An idea
that with with the Affordable Care Acts, which is like
the worst misnomber of a bill I've ever heard, well
except the Inflation Reduction Act that was pretty bad too.
But with Obamacare, which you saw from that was it
cost a lot more. And while we may have had
health care coverage for people, they didn't get health care,
so there were not you know, they may have been
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covered for insurance, but they didn't care. And the fact
was before they even started that initiative. Obama knew that
eighty five percent of all Americans already had some type
of health insurance. It was the fifteen percent that they
were fighting for. Instead of making a really smart decision
to help that fifteen percent, what they did was they
disrupted the entire industry. They put these massive health insurance
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companies in charge of everyone's health care and as a result,
decrease access, decrease quality, and increased costs.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And quite frankly, as fitteen, percent without health insurance laws
were young, healthy people who didn't need health insurance, quite frankly,
but they needed them in the system to pay into it,
to pay for everybody else. So it was it was
on purpose, a designed to eventually force us into I'm
convinced that Obamacare was a first step to socialized medicine.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Which is ultimately what they want.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
They want medicare for all, knowing that it's not gonna
pay the bill, knowing it'll have an automatic increase. And
and if it doesn't convince you just by that, look
at what insurance does and doesn't cover it. If it
doesn't cover Lasik eye surgery, which it doesn't. The original
for Uni of Lasik eye surgery costs about four thousand
dollars about forty years ago. Forty years from now, we
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have a competitive process is less than a thousand dollars
per ide with forty years of inflation, has become better
and less expensive because it's not paid for by insurance. Now,
let's make a comparison to car insurance. If you use
car insurance to pay your oil change, how expensive would
have been if it was frozen in time twenty dollars
for oil change forty years ago?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
How expensive would to be now? You see the difference.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's if it's fixed pricing, it's gonna have an automatic increase,
just like we do with our mandatory spending every years.
It's gonna increase because it has to, and it's not
going to save any money. It's not competitive. It ruins
the competitive nature of making medicine better and cheaper, which
is what happens when you don't have insurance companies dictating
the prices put.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
On the regular word stuff. For example, I ask the
doctors how long do they how much time do you
actually spend talking to your patients? Come Sean, when you
go into your room and you know this We all
know this when we go to the doctor's office, right,
usually not even that not even that much talking to
the doctor they set it's between us, like sixty five
and eighty five percent of the time they spend in
front of a computer. Even when they're talking to their patient,
(28:31):
you're talking to the back of his head because he's
asking questions why because he's not on a computer. Why
because he's checking the boxes, He's checking all these boxes.
And you're like, this is this is where our time?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
How many of our doctor?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
This is?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
This is very personal to me. And what's happened is
the two people.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The two people that suffer the most in this whole
negotiation of healthcare are ironically the patients and the physician.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Physicians getting aid'irty less.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Oh, the physician's.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Thirty percent last over that last two decades, when it's
Jeffer inflation, patients papay at least.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
One hundred percent more.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So, where's all this money going With this tremendous amount
of money going to healthcare where it's increasing way out
of proportion, It's not going to the physician, it's not
going to patience.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So who's making the money.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
The fix is in and it's those lobbing companies for
whether it be PBMs, health insurance companies, hostile systems, whoever
it is. Look where the money's going, look at who's
making the profit rather than who's.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Paying the bill, and you'll know what's wrong with mess.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
This is the dirty secret that nobody wants to talk about.
And I would love I've taken too much of your time.
I'd love to dig more into it, So I would
love to have you guys back on the podcast someday. Awesome,
all right, awesome, Thank you so much, Thank you both
for being on. Thank you, thank you all for listening
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us Sex Time
All right, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are
here at the Job Creator's Network Freedom Fighters Summit. We
actually I'm here with US representatives Beth Man Dune and
Rich McCormick. Rich and I just got off of a
panel that was a little bit of a feisty panel together.
But we were talking about debt, so it should be feisty, right.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I love a good debate. It wasn't even really debate.
It was just different opinions on the same thing. We
all centuly agree with each other, but the variety of opinions.
I love how people came from different angles. I love
the way it was hosted from kind of a devil's
advocate position that it made it fun.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But you said something that was scary. You said we
are going to lose the midterms. So I'm giving you
a chance to say you don't think we are well.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I hope we'd both if we do things.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I think this game of chicken, the president Trump's pain
on terrors, I think he's go pay out. I think
it's brilliant. Who has the guts to do that. He's
a bold president. Yeah, and if he gets seventy nations
that come to the table was zero zero teriffs, including
twenty of the biggest economies in the world next ours.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That would be a huge win.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Now, what happens with China is gonna be a instrumental
in that, but everybody else already wants zero zero tarots.
That's a huge win for him, and if it pays off,
you're right, we can maintain. Statistically, though you lose twenty
seats in a midterm, we lose three, we're in the.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Minor less seats.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That's a lot of seats.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So China is interesting because China is playing a game
of chicken.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
It was an economy that is not great for them
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
They have an aging population, they're not they don't have
enough workers. They've taken off, they've bitten off more than
they can chew right now. And I think he sees that.
But do you think that the American people are missing something?
And do you think he's missing something?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think if we look at China in the way
they do their federal reserve is different from us. They
pay themselves, they don't have to rely on people actually
buying treasury notes because of the way they design they alter
their currency. They've been cheating their way to the top
since they joined the World Trade Organization twenty years ago.
They're made in the China Initiative in twenty fifteen, which
is tripled their economy, led to exploitation of separate countries,
(02:04):
but they also have some real advantages of reps. Remember,
they can produce two hundred times the shipping capacity we cand.
They have fifty more, fifty times more pers than we do.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
They have something and that gives them the largest navy
in the world. And I think people don't understand then.
Having the largest navy in the world puts US at
a huge disadvantage when it comes to them potentially invading.
And I talked to a general years ago and I said,
but they went and do that to us naively because
we provide them with some We purchased so much from them,
and we provide we have this trade partnership. It's like
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that doesn't matter when you're dealing with a dictator. So
I do think that's something we need to stay aware of.
Having these ports. Having the largest navy in the world
puts US at a great disadvantage with a country like
China that is wanting to rule the world and they're.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Trying to destabilize our currency on purpose. They're using bricks.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They're also using their devesting divesting from our debt. They
used to have excellent bricks, So bricks is basically an
alliance of different countries are trying to get out the
US currency as the standard since Britain woods and seventy.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Two US dollar has been the goal center of curses.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Everybody else based their currency off of our currency gives
us tremendous political and economic advantages, but they want to
make you get rid of the petroval. They want to
make sure that people are trying to use trade and
yen or trade in anything but the American currency because
they want.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
To supplant us as the world power.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Remember, they've gone from about five trillion dollar economy about
ten years ago to a seventeen trillion dollar economy. We've
grown too, but we're up to about twenty seven trillion.
They're closing on us very rapidly, and of course with
their innovations, the fact they can streamline their economy because
only one person makes all the dicisi in really the country,
they don't have a balanced democracy like we do. With
competitive powers at play. With the advanced regulation and taxation
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system that we have. We're playing into their hands in
many ways. So we have to be very very cebrige.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And we're importing five to one what we export to China,
and that's a problem as well. I don't think people
realize how much we actually buy from China. The President
was talking about made in America. He came to Michigan
this week. He was saying, made in the USA or
my three favorite words. Is it possible to get back
to made in the USA?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Well, that absolutely, but it also depends on what you're
talking about. You know, we're talking about automotive automotives where
a lot of the critical elements may not be here
in our country. Or are we are we talking about
fruits and vegetables that we can grow here? But I mean,
we have a global economy. When we talk about China,
the fact is that China is looking at They own
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a lot of our debt. If we go down, they're
going to lose that, and they have such a precarious
economy right now they can't afford to have that happen.
They rely on our markets to purchase their products. If
we go down, that can't happen. So we do have
a yin yang relationship with China. But the fact is
they're playing the long game. We start looking at the
investments that they are making in other countries, the trade
agreements that they have with other countries. They are trying
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to own the infrastructure of all of Africa, of Latin America,
and they're getting into the Middle East. As proud as
we are about our economic freedom and our economic independence
on our energy sector and how we were able to
not only be energy independent but also be able to
outsource an export some of our American freedom fuel. The
fact is is that o're imbalanced now with Saudi Arabia.
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With Chinese purchasing of their of their energy has put
us at a disadvantage. We don't have as much I think,
influence now in the Middle East, but we do have
an opportunity with trade agreements and making sure that we
are holding the feet to the fire of these countries
that we have strong trade balances with that they're actually complete,
completing you know, the agreements, and we haven't seen that
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in the last four years. But I thought, no, Trump,
you do.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You're from Texas, so you brought up energy. Obviously, we
think of oil when we think of Texas.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
But you think of everything, what do you think of Texas?
What are you talking about? Got the cowboys? You got
the cowboys.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
We Michigan's great too.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
All right, We're not going to just highlight textae, although
I will say that, all right, I will capitulate it
because Texas has done an interesting job of opening their
regulation and their regulatory program and systems and the energy.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
We think of.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oil when we think of Texas, but we also should
think of renewable energy in Texas because you have wonder
Own there's fastest in the country.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
There and wind and solar area.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
So when you.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Hear people talking about that from being from there, and
I'm sure you've dealt with a lot of people on
both sides of that energy.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And when I've talked to people in the.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oil industry, They're like, we're not afraid of renewable energy.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
We want all energy.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
So how do you think the energy conversation needs to
change for Republicans?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
So Texas is the eighth largest economy in the world.
That we are growing, you know, we're one of the
fastest growing states. There's a reason for that, as you mentioned,
you know, I'm cutting down regulations, having a positive business,
environment of freedom for our citizens. Those are all things
that people want to that come to that want no
one of the reason is why they want to move there.
But we also have with that growing population and the
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growing businesses have a higher and higher need for energy.
So we are all of the above, and you know,
the governor and I'm very thankful for this is pushing
now for nuclear. We need to be looking at all
of the above sources for energy, and we are seeing
the private sector that is uh, there are some of
the largest users of electricity. Will it come and be partners,
(07:21):
you know, saying that hey we can if we are
a bitcoin minor, for example, we can actually buy some
you know, buy some of the transformers. We can put
more energy on the grid during the day, and we
can use it when it's low need. Those are the
ways that kind of thinking outside you know, that are
our typical our thought process is the way that we
need to look at energy. But also not picking winners
(07:43):
and losers. And I think we have seen that in
the past and it's a it's a mistake I don't
want to repeat.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well, that's the interesting part.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You've talked a little bit about mandates and that's obviously
in Michigan, we have seen the energy mandates crush industry
because people you are afraid of hearing that you have
to be one hundred percent renewable by twenty three five.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
It's not possible to be one hundred percent renewable. But
that is also base power.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
You're never going to get these power exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So you so businesses are afraid they won't come to
the state of Michigan anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And that to me is very devastating.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So when you are talking about on a larger scale
reducing regulation, what about the fact that you have the
opposite side of the aisle wanting to push mandates, wanting
to create laws that prevent business.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You can see all the states that are doing that
are failing. They're driving businesses out of their state. Georgia,
the governor Kemp just talked about georgiea being the number
one state to do business for the last eleven years. No,
I'm not sure what criteria there is about buy because
we're in Georgia right now. We have we're the only
state in the last twenty years to actually build and
complete a nuclear power plant too them with Vogel and
(08:52):
the energy can spy is only part of the problem.
The solution, I should say. And if you look at
the natural gas that we have in America, the other
clean energies we have, not just the renewables, but actually
things that don't put out a huge carbon imprint. And
quite frankly, I'm not even concerned about that. If you
look at the amount of carbonatep the United States puts out,
it's if they're testable when you compare it to the
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average sphere and the impact we had. There's tons of
books written on when you follow the real science, get
back the economics of business being good stewards of our
natural resources. But we have got to explore all these
energy sources because quite frankly, when Texas goes too much
into wind and solar, you can see how that's resulting
in bad things when the weather gets bad.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
That could go for any state.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
We have to be careful not to buy into the
liberal ideology of one source fits all. We have to
let the industry drive energy, not the regulatory burdens of
the American government.
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how do people feel when they end up with a
solar field near them or a wind because that's something that.
I mean, I think that's where the American people get nervous.
They're like, are we going to have food? Are we
going to have food issues? Food insecurity or whatever the
word is that.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
We use, which is just people not having enough food?
Are we going to end up with.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Actually the definition is not having a grocery store within
like two miles.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, I guess I would say I would worry about farms,
you know, like, well, do we have farms within two miles?
Then that really is a question are we going to
lose our farm land? The reaction in Michigan has been interesting.
They want local control of that and that's been taken away.
What do you how does that work in Texas.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
We've got a lot of land in Texas. Not all
of this, you know, necessary going to be farmland, all right,
and we got a lot of ranches in Texas on
but it's one of those things when we talk about food,
that's something everybody consumes, all right, I mean everybody is
a consumer of food, and making sure that we're protecting
our farmers, which means not selling land to places like China,
which you know, Texas been very good about coming out
(12:01):
and saying we're not going to you know, we're not
selling our farm line to China. But also looking at
ways that farmers right now are kind of being harmed
and whether or not that's the state tax. That if
you've got a farm that's been in the family for
a number of years and all of a sudden, you know,
the owner dies, that the family now has to pay
this immensis state tax, they're going to have to sell
the property to be able to do it. So looking
(12:21):
at ways that the government is actually harming that industry
is important. And I'm a big when we talk about energy,
I'm not necessarily looking at the industry picking winners and losers,
but I think the market should and I think it's
the same way when we look at on our tax side.
It's so often or not you see this big thumb
of government coming in and saying we're going to incentivize
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this at the cost of this other potential, you know,
research or technology because they just think it's better. The
fact is, let the market decide and get off the
stranglehold of the regulations.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You know something that I sure as you can tell
them and buy the bit.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So when it comes to solar panels, for example, the
biggest solar power producer in the world by far is China.
How much of their energy is produced by solar panels
less than one percent? Guess what in the United States,
we can buy them from China, we can produce them ourselves.
But guess how much of our energy is produced by
solar power less than one percent. It's not the answer, folks.
(13:24):
You can build all the solar panels you want, you could.
You can put it over all the sea beds, but
guess what. Now you're killing algae, which guess what it does.
It produces oxygen. It actually is.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
We have a lot of research.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
The side effects of it. I just don't think you're
going to offset the solar panel. Solar panels are absorbing
energy that would normally be used by by life, to
produce oxygen, to produce atmosphere, to do the things they's
supposed to do. It messes with the ecosystem. Nuclear power
is a great source of clean energy. If you want
to focus on that. You can recycle the nuclear waste
(13:57):
and actually we can come out with some much more
efficient and it's a bridge to the next energy source,
which it may be something out of space.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Being down in the United.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
States because of three mile island, which set us back
decades and decades, and of course what happened over in
Russia obviously a bad thing, but quite frankly, in the
big safety and eco impact, it's very safe and we're
only going to get better at micro If you look
at the module reactors, that is the future energy consumption
is not going to go down. It's going to parabolically
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these AI supercenters. The fact that every kid walks around
with the computer in their hand, you think the energy
consumption is going to go down. Every kid has a
set of iPod EarPods, the fact that everybody has so
many electronics, and AI is expanding. This is just the
beginning of the next generation of energy consumption.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
We you talk about like solar energy, I don't necessarily
think now that it's going to If you have it
on a highway, which they're creating these already, you have
on a rooftop, you can create those already. People should
be able to use it. That's fine, especially at the
infrastructure is and there. I mean I was over in
Africa and they're using solar energy. However, the fact is
that Africa is so happy that eighty five percent of
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its energy is sustainable. But the fact is is that
when you start thinking about why so many people die
of starvation in Africa, the number one reason, do you
know what it is? Lack of refrigeration. Why do they
have lack of refrigeration because of lack of access to electricity. So,
while they may be promoting that, and by the way,
that's being promoted by China, because a lot of their infrastructure,
especially their energy and infrastructure, is being supported by China,
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who's actually benefiting financially from this and from owning the
long term infrastructure of an entire nation on the people
are suffering as a result. So solar has its fits,
and that's fine. If you are a consumer and you
know that is your focus, that is your priority. Fine,
you can have a market that creates it, but have
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the market be able to actually support that. It should
not be the government saying we're going to take a
baseline power like coal and we're going to demonize it,
and we're going to be able to prevent that from
exist staying without being so regulated that it actually harms it.
To taking something like solar and wind, which has its place.
And that's fine if they If people want to be
able to purchase it all for it create that in
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the market. But when you do it at the expense
of a baseline power load, you're harming people. In some instances,
you're killing people when you can't have you know, heat
and areas that you know get down to double digit
negatives when you can't have cool you know, air conditioning
in Texas when it's one hundred and nine degrees outside,
when you don't have access you know, hospitals and sometimes
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or if you are at home and you are on
you know, a machine that helps you breathe, that helps
gives you oxygen. You don't have access to electricity. That
is a problem. And I don't think the government when
it's looking at it's, oh, we're going to support this.
I've often laughed that you don't plug a Tesla into
a tree. You know, all of these things that we
are so proud of ourselves actually needs energy. And instead
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of again demonizing that industry, over regulating it, making it
not compact in the rest of the world, we need
to support it.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I mean, you think about just what you said, how
many things you plug in at the end of the night,
and you plug in so many devices right exactly so
you just have that constant stream of energy being used.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
But you brought up hospitals, and I think this is there.
What energy is one thing when it comes to hospitals.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But after COVID, we lost a lot of our rural hospitals.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We lost a lot of support there.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
What is the answer for healthcare for people in rural areas?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Complex question. It's a five trillion dollar industry in America.
Healthcare loan, it's the biggest spending item by far for individuals,
every individual. It's the biggest spending im in government, second
biggest spending item of business, probably the biggest expense for
most families if they buy their own health care program.
And it's the fastest inflationary cost to Americans by itself.
Our ecosystem of healthcare is a five trillion dollar inustry
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that would be the third largest economy in the world
by itself. Incredibly inefficient, but a quarter, actually over a
quarter now every dollar spent on healthcare goes to administs
true costs. Ironically, this ties into what your first question was,
the AI consumption.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
The money that we.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Spend on on supplying energy to AI can actually solve
our problem. If you just say ten percent of that
five trillion, that's a half a trillion dollars you could
spend somewhere else in the government it selves our debt problem.
It solves our healthcare problem because that money can be
shipped to other places where it can should be used better.
Because if we're using the AI to help write the
note to actually bill to actually solve the backload of
(18:29):
by the way insurance company which make for the top
ten companies in America and seven of the top twenty,
which are making massive profits, where our Medicare and medici
are struggling mightily while we have forty percent denial of
an er billing system, where we have preapproval processes that
aren't happening. We as legislator and have to be smarter
(18:50):
on how we hold those insurance companies accountable now.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I'm sure that I'm going.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
To be demonized by this because we also have to
face down the biggest lobbyist group in America. They could
pay a million dollars to every legislator, five hundred and
thirty five legislators and literally spend tens of millions against
each one of those people who stand up against them
because they don't want this problem solved because our waste
(19:15):
is their profit. And this is the biggest problem. You
want to know why these world places can't survive because
their payer mix is off because they were so reliant
on Medicaid Medicare instead of insurance.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Companies that pay their share.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Of course, this way, it's incredibly a complex but the
fact that we don't have good competition, we have inefficient hospitals,
we have hostile systems that are employing most of the
doctors or the PBMs. I mean, you're talking about one
of the most complex systems, not just the most expensive,
most complex problems we have in America.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And the average legislator is.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Not a doctor, by the way, and even if you
are a doctor, doesn't mean you understand how this works. Anyways,
I came into Congress thinking I knew everything about healthcare.
I knew a fraction one I need to know to
solve the problem because it is a complex issue. Ways
and means manages, Medicare, energy and commerce E commerce, Medicaid.
Together they make up twenty six percent of the budget
(20:07):
of a seven trillion dollar ecosystem.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So I want to get on the rural side. I mean,
one of the reasons why you see less healthcare now
on rural side is because you're seeing all of these
small group practices or solar practitioners getting pushed out out
of actual practice. This is a government this is this
is coming from government because we put so much more
regulations now on healthcare providers that they can't stay in business.
(20:33):
They can't afford to actually keep their offices open. So
they are having their basically being forced to sell to
these huge mega corporations that what do they want to do.
They want to bring all of that to a massive
healthcare CYS center in the middle of a huge urban
area because it's cheaper. So if we really actually cared
about those rural areas, we would say, okay, cms, knock
(20:55):
it off. You're not going to sit here and penalize
these small and look and I will. My dad, fifth
generation MD, he was a solo practitioner, but he found
it and he got wrung out of office because you
can't afford to have a regulatory department when you were
one physician practice. And so you think about the cost
you found as a direct result of this is you
(21:16):
have less access, less quality of care, and more expensive
And the way to do it is just to lift
off the regulatory we had. We had a round table
of physicians and we had one woman there. He was
so frustrated she almost started to cry. We had news
cameras there, and she said, I went to medical school.
I learned what I learned, I had, you know, two
hundred fifty thousand dollars of debt when I graduated. I
(21:36):
started my own practice. It was my dream, is what
I always wanted to do. I have a relationship with
my patients. She said. I found I could not stay
in business. I had to sell my practice at a loss.
I am now employed by a hospital system. She goes,
I am no longer practicing medicine. I am following regulations.
She was a monkey could do my job. And they
don't know my patients. And we have people who never
(21:57):
ever study medicine who are making these decisions on people
piecesus lies. That's one of the huge problems that we've got.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And to my point, now, you have used to be
seventeen percent of physicians working for the hospital systems.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Nowa is they were eighty percent. And it's more expensive.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So, for example, on the pay cut that we do
for doctors every year, I'm Medicaid maker rebursas which we
just become them another two point eight percent last year.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
The hospitals don't get cut. So what happens.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You're forcing them with regulatory burden that they can't afford
because they don't have their own regular order.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I don't I can't employ a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Single person in a small practice to do the regulatory
burden of keeping up on all the billion and coding
and regulation.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
And so by joining the hospital.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Also, in my if I just have an agreement with you,
my B twelve shot would go up by thousands of percent.
Sometimes it goes from being twelve dollars one hundred and
fifty dollars for a BEAT twelve shot because you made
an agreement with the hospital so you can work in
conjunction with them, so you can buy their medication, help
you with their nurses staffing. You sell your soul to
the hospital system. And hospitals aren't I don't want to
demonize them, but they're more expensive by thirty to forty
(22:58):
percent a lot of times, and so by saving two
twenty eight percent on position reimbursements, you force them into
a thirty percent more expensive hospital system, to the detriment
of our world comans like representative of Van Dine was
just saying, and you basically ruined medicine because of an
unintended consequence of government and as regulation, taxation, and the
(23:19):
way we approach medicine in general.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
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the physician in town and they're like, oh, you got
to go to the big hospital system in grund Rapids
and see if she has to have surgery, and then
you just spend And I'm like, I'm just spending money.
But I mean, it even happens to me as a
cancer patient because I go, I'm like, okay, years now,
I've been going to the doctor every six months to
the big hospital system just to pay, and they're how
do you feel I'm like, I fund find when I
(25:07):
had cancer. How do you know that I don't have cancer?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Now?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I just go in there and we chat. But I
feel like it's just because.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
They don't know you, right, they don't have a relationship
with you anymore. You are one of many because they've
basically become small governments, and then you're having to go
through the bureaucracy to. You know, it's not like you
pick up a phone somebody answers and they're like, oh yeah, tuner,
it's good to Harry. Howard's a family like they don't
know you anymore. And that is like half the couch
sure Is that a status? It's both. It's absolutely both.
(25:33):
When you look at the dollars that the state has
an ability to be able to transfer, they're choosing to
be able to do it to the huge healthcare networks.
During COVID, right, hospitals are getting paid thirty percent more
if they had said it was a COVID case and
we saw all of these hospitals hire all of these people.
Is it is a rocket and the people that suffer
(25:56):
the most are Americans who need health care. An idea
that with with the Affordable Care Acts, which is like
the worst misnomber of a bill I've ever heard, well
except the Inflation Reduction Act that was pretty bad too.
But with Obamacare, which you saw from that was it
cost a lot more. And while we may have had
health care coverage for people, they didn't get health care,
so there were not you know, they may have been
(26:18):
covered for insurance, but they didn't care. And the fact
was before they even started that initiative. Obama knew that
eighty five percent of all Americans already had some type
of health insurance. It was the fifteen percent that they
were fighting for. Instead of making a really smart decision
to help that fifteen percent, what they did was they
disrupted the entire industry. They put these massive health insurance
(26:40):
companies in charge of everyone's health care and as a result,
decrease access, decrease quality, and increased costs.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And quite frankly, as fitteen, percent without health insurance laws
were young, healthy people who didn't need health insurance, quite frankly,
but they needed them in the system to pay into it,
to pay for everybody else. So it was it was
on purpose, a designed to eventually force us into I'm
convinced that Obamacare was a first step to socialized medicine.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Which is ultimately what they want.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
They want medicare for all, knowing that it's not gonna
pay the bill, knowing it'll have an automatic increase. And
and if it doesn't convince you just by that, look
at what insurance does and doesn't cover it. If it
doesn't cover Lasik eye surgery, which it doesn't. The original
for Uni of Lasik eye surgery costs about four thousand
dollars about forty years ago. Forty years from now, we
(27:28):
have a competitive process is less than a thousand dollars
per ide with forty years of inflation, has become better
and less expensive because it's not paid for by insurance. Now,
let's make a comparison to car insurance. If you use
car insurance to pay your oil change, how expensive would
have been if it was frozen in time twenty dollars
for oil change forty years ago?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
How expensive would to be now? You see the difference.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's if it's fixed pricing, it's gonna have an automatic increase,
just like we do with our mandatory spending every years.
It's gonna increase because it has to, and it's not
going to save any money. It's not competitive. It ruins
the competitive nature of making medicine better and cheaper, which
is what happens when you don't have insurance companies dictating
the prices put.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
On the regular word stuff. For example, I ask the
doctors how long do they how much time do you
actually spend talking to your patients? Come Sean, when you
go into your room and you know this We all
know this when we go to the doctor's office, right,
usually not even that not even that much talking to
the doctor they set it's between us, like sixty five
and eighty five percent of the time they spend in
front of a computer. Even when they're talking to their patient,
(28:31):
you're talking to the back of his head because he's
asking questions why because he's not on a computer. Why
because he's checking the boxes, He's checking all these boxes.
And you're like, this is this is where our time?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
How many of our doctor?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
This is?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
This is very personal to me. And what's happened is
the two people.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The two people that suffer the most in this whole
negotiation of healthcare are ironically the patients and the physician.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Physicians getting aid'irty less.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Oh, the physician's.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Thirty percent last over that last two decades, when it's
Jeffer inflation, patients papay at least.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
One hundred percent more.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So, where's all this money going With this tremendous amount
of money going to healthcare where it's increasing way out
of proportion, It's not going to the physician, it's not
going to patience.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So who's making the money.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
The fix is in and it's those lobbing companies for
whether it be PBMs, health insurance companies, hostile systems, whoever
it is. Look where the money's going, look at who's
making the profit rather than who's.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Paying the bill, and you'll know what's wrong with mess.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
This is the dirty secret that nobody wants to talk about.
And I would love I've taken too much of your time.
I'd love to dig more into it, So I would
love to have you guys back on the podcast someday. Awesome,
all right, awesome, Thank you so much, Thank you both
for being on. Thank you, thank you all for listening
to the Tutor Dixon podcast. For this podcast and others,
go to Tutor Diison podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app,
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