September 15, 2025 • 33 mins
On this episode, Tudor sits down with Dr. Joanna Moncrieff to challenge the widely accepted narrative surrounding antidepressants. Together, they examine whether depression is truly caused by a serotonin imbalance and uncover the often-overlooked consequences of these medications. The discussion delves into the rising use of antidepressants—especially among teenagers—and the hidden costs, from emotional numbness to sexual dysfunction. They also question the pharmaceutical industry’s influence in shaping public perception and prescribing practices. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we have a
podcast that so many of you have been asking for.
It actually would shock you to see the messages in
my inbox from people who have been harmed by antidepressants,
and they've asked me to expose the truth so many
people that feel like they don't have a voice. And
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that's not to say that all antidepressants are bad, but
it is to say that we need to allow people
to hear the full spectrum of risks associated with the
use of antidepressants before they get on them, so they
know what they're getting into. And it seems like that
hasn't been happening for me. These issues are near and
dear to my heart, and I've been searching for a
(00:43):
way to bring this to the light and that actually
led me to a wonderful doctor named doctor Joanna Moncrief.
Doctor Moncrief wrote a book Chemically Imbalanced, the Making and
Unmaking of the Saratonin myth, which I was like, Okay,
this this, this is something where we just don't talk about,
we haven't heard about. So we have doctor Moncrief here
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with us today. She is an expert on the subject.
She's also a practicing psychiatrist for the National Health Service
in the United Kingdom. She's also a professor, and I
want to thank her for stepping into what seems to
be kind of dangerous territory in your profession, sharing the
truth about this.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Thank you, Thank you for having me on Judah. It's
good to be able to spread the word.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Absolutely. So I want to get into the book because
you start the book by debunking this kind of longtime myth.
You say, there's no evidence showing that depression is caused
by an abnormality in the brain chemical serotonin. Explain that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So for a long time there's been a theory kicking
around that depression might be caused by a chemical imbalance,
such as a lack of serotonin. But although people didn't
realize that it was just a theory, because people had
been led to believe this was an established scientific fact.
It turns out that actually the evidence for it was
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never looked as if it was very strong or all
very compelling. But there was nowhere There was nowhere where
you could go until a few years ago when we
published a paper where you could see all the research
on serotonin and depression together in one place. So a
few years ago, I got a little team together and
we identified all the recent research that's been done on
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serotonin and depression, looking at various different aspects of the
serotonin system, like serotonin itself, serotonin metabolite, serotonin receptors, etc.
And we found that none of those areas of research
showed consistent or compelling evidence that there was any sort
of abnormality in the serotonin system in people with depression,
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let alone a causal abnormality consisting of a lack of serotonin.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
This is, to me, is shocking because we've had so
many people say, you don't understand I have a brain
chemical disparity. You know, I have a true problem. And
I think that hearing that you know, missing a brain
chemical is really a tangible problem, and that is a problem.
A tangible problem seems to be something you can prove.
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And therefore, a parent or a spouse, or even the
patient who says, my gosh, I have a deficiency in serotonin.
I must jump on this medication bandwagon because that's going
to fix the deficiency. That is an excuse to go
out and say I have to be on this medication.
But it's not even an excuse when you're in that
position you feel like the doctor tells me this, I
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trust the doctor. I have to go on this. There's
these terrible side effects. Suddenly there's a broken trust, but
no one will listen.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, no, absolutely. So this idea was promoted by the
pharmaceutical industry when they were marketing the SSRI antidepressants back
in the late nighteen eighties and nineteen nineties. And at
this time they very deliberately set out to persuade people
that depression is something that's in the brain, is caused
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by brain chemicals, and to override people's previous instincts that
depression is a reaction to things that are going on
in your life. So, and that campaign was enormously successful,
partly because they threw an awful lot of money at it,
partly because what they were putting across was, as you suggest,
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you know, a sort of simple idea that people could
latch onto and that has some appeal. You know, when
you're feeling really at your debts and you're really distressed,
the idea that oh, it's not me, it's not my life,
it's just a simple problem in my brain. And whoa,
look at this. The doctor's got a solution for it.
How handy, I can take this antidepressant and everything will
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be all right. So, you know, I think I think
it was this combination of all the money that went
into promoting this idea with the fact that it was
this nice, simple, appealing little story that people could that
observe to could accept to explain their difficulties.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I think you're saying correctly, though, it's this idea that
you have a biological condition that a medication can solve
and it will save your life. That's significant, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, it's an incredibly misleading story when we know
that actually it's not supported by scientific evidence, because it's
you know, it persuades people that you say that there's
something you know that there's something wrong with your brain,
therefore you need to take a drug to put it right.
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If you were told instead, which is actually the situation,
We've got no idea what's going on in your brain.
Your feelings are probably a reaction to things that are
going on in your life and your environment. We've got
drugs that mess about with your brain chemicals in some way,
but we don't understand quite quite how, quite what they're doing,
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quite how they affect people. But we've done these trials
that show they're a tiny little bit better than placebo,
although actually if we did the trials properly, we might
not see any difference, and they cause all these health problems,
especially if you take them for a long period of time.
Then people would be a lot more cautious about, you know,
about taking antidepressants. Then it would be you know, a
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whole different a whole different ballgame. So, you know, by
telling people we've got this brain chemical imbalance, we've got
a drug that puts it right, without there being scientific
evidence to back that up, we've been profoundly misleading people
and stopping people from making properly informed decisions about whether
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to take these chemicals or not.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's not just that you're taking a chemical, it's so
many of these people have come out and said, my
life has never been the same. I have never felt
life again. Really, I've never had the human experience again.
And yet for us to talk about this right now
it is controversial, And I say, how is this not
a massive crisis that the health organizations are saying pharmaceutical
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companies need to step up and tell the truth about this.
But it's like everyone's in cohoots and people are suffering.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, So this idea that antidepressants corrected and underlying chemical
imbalance was helped to obscure the fact that antidepressants, like
other drugs that work on the brain, change our normal
brain chemistry and therefore change our normal mental states and
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normal mental activities, including our emotions, our thought processes, and
sometimes our behavior in more or less subtle ways. Because
antidepressants differ from each other and different from other mind
altering drugs, but the point is that they are drugs
that do alter our normal brain chemistry, make us feel different,
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and one of the one of the changes that they
seem to effect most commonly is that they dampen down
or numb people's emotions and restrict people's emotional range, so
that people so as well as maybe feeling less distressed
or less anxious, people feel less less happy, less joyful,
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less excited by things in life. So, as you say,
antidepressants seem to have this property of restricting us emotionally.
Some people might feel that that effect is useful for them,
at least temporarily, if they're going through, you know, a
period of distress and feeling intense negative emotions but it
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seems intuitive that certainly in the long term, numbing people's
emotions is not a good thing to do. It's not
going to help people resolve the problems in their lives.
It's not going to help people build, you know, good
solid relation and lasting relationships.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I want to share I have some of the statements
here that people have shared with me, and I want
to get to that, but I want to talk a
little bit about what you just said. These are experiences,
and sometimes you go through bouts of sadness or even depression,
but they're part of the human experience. Like we're meant
to believe that you're never supposed to feel sad, that
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you're never supposed to have periods of sadness, But there
are times where life is a struggle. I mean even
as a sixteen year old. I have a sixteen year
old or a fourteen year old going through high school.
There are times when they feel sad, they feel out
of place. We talk through that they aren't looking for
they don't want to feel nothing. But I think that
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they're miss These kids are also misled, and parents are misled.
When a child is going through a dark time, will
make it so they feel nothing and they'll come through
the other side. But it's not always easy to get
off of these either, once you do put somebody on
these medications.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
No, it's not. And I think the idea of putting
teenagers on them particularly is you know, is really worrying
because of course, you know, your teenage years are a
period when you feel things very intensely, and so you know,
you can you can understand how teenagers' parents might be,
you know, looking for a way to numb themselves.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I think if teenagers is hard.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, exactly, but if people don't go through this period
and learn that, first of all, they come out the
other side, you know, things get less intense, just naturally,
but also they learn how to manage those feelings. And
if they don't learn those lessons because they're numbed, you know,
I'm worried that people are going into adult life in
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such a way that they might not be able to
deal with emotional crises and things that you know, are
thrown at them in the future.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You had some stories in the book about people who
said that they said, I was put on antidepressants when
I was in my teenage years, and it was almost
as though I missed that emotional growth, and I'm not
prepared for what I have in my adult life because
I just have missing years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, And you also mentioned how, you know, get people
can get onto these drugs and be on them for
you know, years at a time and then have great
difficulty coming off them. So, you know, particularly if we're
starting people on them young, you know, we're potentially going
to end up with a with a whole load of
adults who are stuck on these tablets, having real difficulty
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getting off them, and have been you know, emotionally suppressed
for years.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
We'll be right back with more of my conversation with
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So it's interesting. I was talking to my kids about
this last night because they they say almost they feel
like many, probably more than half of the kids in
their school are on some type of medication. Whether that's
true or not, it seems like that's the case. And
you talked about the advertisements in the nineties and the
early two thousands that made it like, hey, this is
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what we should all be on. This is very normal,
and I do think that people are more willing to
talk about it. When I was, I was telling them.
When I was in high school, I don't remember anybody
being on medication. That was like the beginning of prozac
and the beginning of antidepressants, but it really wasn't something
that people were regularly talking about. And I feel like,
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I know that you have a nostalgia from when you're young,
but it seemed like people's interpersonal relationships were much healthier.
I graduated in Night Team ninety five from high school,
and after that we started to see this skyrocket in
antidepressants and actually aggression in teenagers as well.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, we live in a culture where
everyone is much more open about mental health problems, and
I think that, you know, has positive and negative sides
to it. You know. I don't think it's good if
people are bottling up problems and suffering alone, and it's
good if people feel they can share, you know, how
they're feeling emotionally and share their difficulties with people. On
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the other hand, I'm afraid that that leads to this
tendency to diagnose and label people as having mental disorders
that need you know that need drugs to put them right.
And clearly that's how it has progressed, you know, because
we've just been you know, using more and more of
these drugs, labeling more and more young people. And not
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only does that mean they might end up on these
emotions suppressing drugs for years, it also means they grow
up with this side that they're faulty in some way
that they've got you know, that they've got a biological fault,
and that there's nothing that they can do about it.
That you know that they're always going to you know
that they're always going to struggle.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's an interesting statement because I think when you are
in high school, when you're going through puberty, you feel
like you're broken in all kinds of ways. I'm not
good enough, I'm not pretty enough, i have acne, I'm
not i'm not as developed, you know, I'm shorter, all
of these different things that you go through in your
mind because you don't know what you are as a
final product, and you're wondering and you're anxious about it.
(15:36):
And that's normal. But if you stop that emotional growth
at that point, do you ever get out of thinking
there's something wrong with me? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, No, absolutely. I mean it's that intense time, isn't it.
High school when you're you're you're with so many people
of your own age groups, so you're constantly comparing yourself.
And as I said, I think, you know, what antidepressants
doing is suppressing your emotions so that you're not necessarily
then able to learn that actually you can manage to
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get a grip on them, and they do get less
intense and you do get through these difficult periods in life.
We should also maybe mention maybe you're coming onto it,
but that you know, alongside the emotional blunting, they cause
sexual dysfunction. Very well recognized that they call the you know,
the antidepressants cause sexual dysfunction while people are taking them.
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But what's becoming more and more apparent over recent years
is that for some people, these sexual problems persist after
they've stopped taking the antidepressant. And this seems to me
to be a huge issue that and I should say
as well that this has been shown in animal studies.
So it's not just that people who've taken antidepressants are
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depressed and that's why they're not having a great sex life.
It has been shown in animal studies. It looks like
it's a biological effect.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Is that That's the number one question I got from people,
and that was I think that was the part that
surprised me the most was the people. As soon as
we put out we're going to be talking about this
stuff on a podcast this week, the number of people
who came out and openly on X, on a here,
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on a public platform, came out and said, please talk
about what this is doing to people, and you talk
about the experience of being on these So I just
want to read a little portion from your book. You say.
They reported their ability to experience positive emotions such as joy, excitement, enthusiasm,
and happiness was diminished, as well as the intensity of
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negative feelings such as sadness, anger, irritability, and anxiety. They
felt less love or affection for their family members and friends,
and their interest in life had been diminished. Don't even
we're not even getting to the sexual side effects yet,
we're looking at Suddenly you have a family member who
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you think, and trust me, we've been there in our family.
You think you put somebody on this medication, it's going
to help them calm down, it's going to help them
have a better life, and suddenly you lose that person.
I mean you really lose them. Because when you say
in your book they felt less love or affection for
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family members and friends, and their interest in life diminished,
what do you think that does to their children, to
their parents, to their spouse. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, I've been hearing more and more comments from family
members along these lines, talking about the changes that these
drugs can cause in people and the emotional distance that
they can create in relationships. When someone is taking one
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of these drugs, it's like a victim.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And that's the thing that makes me mad about these
The health organizations won't come out and say we've got
many victims. We've got victims who have taken the medication,
and we have victims who are in the family who
have lost somebody who is taking the medications. And victim
may sound like a strong word, but this seems like
a national health emergency to me, and we're not talking
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about it. And now I do want to say, talk
about spousal relationships and even relationships for young people, people
trying to have a relationship. These antidepressants. When you talk
about reduce sexual desire, we are talking about so much
more than what people can imagine you've got reduced sexual desire,
decreased sexual excitement, delay and reducing the intensity of an orgasm,
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and a rectile dysfunction, problems, delayed ejaculation. I mean, these
are hard things to talk about, but I have so
many people telling me this is what they're experiencing. And
the crazy thing to me in your book, you say
that these are actually prescribed to sex offenders to reduce
their sex drive. How if you are depressed and you say,
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I'm boy, life is really hard. How is like, hey,
let me give you something that I'll make you never
want to have sex again, or you will want to
have sex saying you won't be able to How does
that help people that are depressed.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I know, it's really shocking, isn't it. Genital numbing is
the most characteristic effect of SSRIs and similar antidepressants, and
then of course that leads to all sorts of problems
like difficulty having orgasm and erectileisfunction and things. And yeah,
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I mean, you know, really shocking. When you talk about victims.
I don't think it's too strong a word because people
who have significant problems with their sexual function or the
people who are really struggling with prolonged withdrawal states. Many
of them are in a terrible state. You know, their
lives have been absolutely turned upside down. You know, people
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who are in these withdrawal states, many of them can't
go to work anymore. They you know, they lose their
relationships because they're so unwell. Some of them are you know,
you can't even get out of bed for weeks or
months at a time, so it can be really serious.
And of course, the people who have this, you know,
persistent sexual dysfunction, you know, many of them are young
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people just at the start of their you know, relationship life,
and suddenly things are not working properly. They've lost their desire,
they've lost their interest, and yet they know that they
should have it. So of course this is absolutely tragic
for these people and for the people around them.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
As you write about a woman in the book who
says that as soon as she took it, within days
of taking the anterdepressant, she could no longer She had
no longer any feeling in her genitals, she had no
longer any feeling, and she thought, well, as soon as
I get into a relationship, I'll go off of this.
It'll go away. She did, she found a relationship, she
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went off with the medication, and she said, no desire
for sex, no feeling, no feeling, no feeling whatsoever down there.
I just cannot get past that. And she never married,
she never had a relationship because that eventually that broke
down because the person couldn't handle the fact that she
had no sexual desires. This is criminal, as far as
I'm concerned. Robbing someone of the human experience should be criminal.
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How can this continue? How is that these people aren't
told just so you know, you'll go on this and
you may feel less anxiety, but you might never feel
anything else.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I know, I mean people really at least people
really really need to know about these complications, this possibility.
And the other thing is I would have said to
you if i'd come on a couple of months ago,
a few months ago, Oh, I think this is pretty rare,
you know, not minusculely rare, because there are so many
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people talking about a bit pretty rare. Actually, there've been
studies coming out recently that suggests it's possibly not that
rare at all. There was a survey done in Canada,
I believe, which found that thirteen percent of people were
reporting persistent sexual problems after stopping antidepressants, and that compared
to only one percent of people who had stopped other medication. So,
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and it wasn't a study that was specifically about this,
So it wasn't as if all the people answering the
questionnaire were people who had an ax to grind. It
was a general, a general survey about sexual functioning. So
you know, it could be that this is affecting ten
percent or even more of people who are using antidepressants,
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which obviously means it's huge numbers of people.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's huge numbers of people, and that's why I think
we've had so many people reach out to us, and
I think it is I would say, this is a
very taboo subject. It's hard to talk about, and I
understand why it hasn't been talked about for years because
not many people want to come out and admit this.
I mean, the woman that you talk about in the book,
she said when she did a documentary on it, she said,
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I expected you fifteen years ago. I've been waiting for
fifteen years to tell this story. But that was still
like seven years after it happened to her. And I
think it's because it's so hard to come out and
say I can't do this anymore, because having a physical
relationship with your spouse, with your loved one, having sex
is so important, so crudical, crucial to who we are,
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and nobody wants to say this, But you write in
the book that one expert actually suggests that reduced genital
sensation can occur within thirty minutes of taking the first
dose thirty minutes, and delayed and weakened orgasm can occur
soon after. He actually described an example of a woman
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who took an SSRI. Her genitals were so numb that
she could brush them with a hair brush without feeling
a thing. That's sickening to me. It's terror, it's criminal.
I cannot say enough the idea that people have to
live with this the rest of their life. How can
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this be?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
How can we be ignoring this so scary?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think we've just been much too blase about the
idea of giving people mind altering drugs. As I say,
and as I said at the beginning, that's partly because
we've had this complete myth that what we're doing is
using these sophisticated, targeted substances, when we're not so we've
been much too blase about it. We haven't properly investigated
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the consequences of taking these these drugs. We haven't looked
in detail at what happens when people come off them,
at the sort of withdrawal problems that people have, the
problems people have if they end up taking them for
months or years. You know, most of the studies are
set up to last a few months, and that's what
we have the data on, and there's not very good
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data after that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
In the US alone, it's an eighteen billion dollar industry
annually antidepressants, putting people on drugs that aren't making you
less depressed. And I say that I can see the
reason you would put someone like the guy in North
Carolina on these. However, there's also evidence that this can
make people aggressive, that this can make people suicidal, that
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this can actually lead potentially to someone hurting other people.
So how is there not a group of people out
there saying, really, stop this, stop this medication.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
There's another myth around that these drugs work, that they
make people less depressed, regardless of how they might do that,
and that's based on these placebo control studies. But actually
these studies show that antidepressants are minimally different from a
placebo that the majority of the effect they're having is
a placebo effect, Which makes sense, doesn't it. A course,
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you know, people go and see their doctor at their
low point, they're given something that they think and hope
is going to make them feel better, and of course
that sends them off feeling a bit more hopeful, at
least temporarily. So it's probably the case that these these
drugs have no actual beneficial pharmacological effect. And yet we
know that, you know, if you tamper with brain chemistry,
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that can have negative consequences. And it's becoming more and
more apparent that there are many negative consequences from taking antidepressants.
It seems say for some people, this this uh, this
causing of aggressive or suicidal impulses.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. This is so I really encourage
everybody out there to get this book, to read this book,
because when you learn about this, you will learn about
there's everybody knows somebody in their life that is on
one of these medications. I just am at the point
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where I believe everybody knows someone and or they're being
pushed to go on it. And I say that because
I do want to read a few of the comments
that came to me, and I'm reading them out loud
because they were on a public forum, and I think
that that's okay to share. Someone says to me, please
consider talking about the other horrifying symptoms of PSSD from SSRIs.
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Sexual dysfunction is only the tip of the iceberg for
a lot of us. Lack of emotions, cognitive decline, destruction
of our creativity and imaginations, muscle loss and heart conditions.
Another one. I'm a healthy man in my early thirties.
All blood work tests are great, full body MRI cat
scans normal, and yet I have no libido, full sexual dysfunction,
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emotions dulled, taste dulled, etc. This is two years after
stopping lexapro. PSSD is literally a crime against humanity. Two more.
I'm an anesthesia or one more an anime caesiologist in Michigan.
I've been suffering from this for four years. I've met
many other patients. This is basically like being dead while
still breathing. Please help us raise awareness for prevention and
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a possible treatment. Our children are at risk. It breaks
my heart to read these things because this guy is saying,
what if someone gets to my kids and puts them
because he has three children, what if someone puts my
children on this medication. I mean, he's on it, he's
living it. That to me is it's a crisis and
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no one's talking about it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I know, I know, it's absolutely tragic. It just I
suppose it shows you the power of the you know,
the pharmaceutical industry, the medical profession, the medical industrial complex.
We could call it to you know, to dute people essentially.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And he actually, I do have one more that I
think you need to hear. We feel chemically castrated and lobotomized.
I will one hundred percent rather only have sexual dysfunction
at this point.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
It is a.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Horrifying existence living like this twenty four to seven. No
one should ever have to feel like this because of
a medication handed out so frivolously for mild depression.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that's it, very well, doesn't It's.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I just I thank you so much for being one
who's willing to come forward and talk about this, because
I think that we're at a time, at least in
the United States where we have a health and Human
Services agency that is open to talking about things like this.
But for the I have to say, there has to
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be hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people across
the globe or at least in the Western world, that
have either experienced this themselves or they are also victims
on the other side, as someone standing alongside a person
who has been victimized by a doctor who doesn't tell them.
And the reason I say this is because they're not learning,
(31:06):
the doctors aren't telling them. And I'll just end asking you,
is it because the doctors don't know? Is there a
financial incentive to continue to dole out these drugs? What
is the reason we can't tell people that their life
will be permanently altered if they take these medications.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So most antidepressants are off patent now, so the pharmaceutical
industry are no longer advertising, no longer care about them
that much. I think the bigger reason that there is
a reluctance to admit how useless and harmful they are
is that they've just been so widely used. It's such
(31:44):
a huge mistake that like the opioid crisis, Like the
opioid crisis, that doctors really struggle to acknowledge that that
is the situation.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
It's it's a crisis. So your book, your book, tell
us about your book. It's chemically imbalanced, the making and
unmaking of the serotonin myth. This is what created the
whole push to get people on. You have a chemical
imbalance in your brain, you are dysfunctional. This will make
you functional. Where can people get the book and find
out the truth?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So it's published by Trafalgar Publishers in the US on
the twenty third of September. It's already out in the UK,
so you can order it via the UK publisher and
you can also get the electronic copy, but it will
be out in the US officially on the twenty third.
I have a website and I'm on x as well
if people want to follow me there.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's so crucial. I mean, as you said, we had
doctor eurato On. He talked about the fact that even
the mother can transfer this to the baby when she
is pregnant, and in adolescent animals that have received this
as they were when they were fetuses, they show the
same sexual dysfunction when they hit adolescents. This could see
a crisis for decades to come, and it has to
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stop now. So thank you so much, doctor Joanna Moncreef,
thank you for being here today, Thank you so much, Judent, absolutely,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon podcast. Make sure you head over to the iHeartRadio app,
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watch it on a rumble or YouTube at Tutor Dixon
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and join us the next time. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we have a
podcast that so many of you have been asking for.
It actually would shock you to see the messages in
my inbox from people who have been harmed by antidepressants,
and they've asked me to expose the truth so many
people that feel like they don't have a voice. And
(00:21):
that's not to say that all antidepressants are bad, but
it is to say that we need to allow people
to hear the full spectrum of risks associated with the
use of antidepressants before they get on them, so they
know what they're getting into. And it seems like that
hasn't been happening for me. These issues are near and
dear to my heart, and I've been searching for a
(00:43):
way to bring this to the light and that actually
led me to a wonderful doctor named doctor Joanna Moncrief.
Doctor Moncrief wrote a book Chemically Imbalanced, the Making and
Unmaking of the Saratonin myth, which I was like, Okay,
this this, this is something where we just don't talk about,
we haven't heard about. So we have doctor Moncrief here
(01:05):
with us today. She is an expert on the subject.
She's also a practicing psychiatrist for the National Health Service
in the United Kingdom. She's also a professor, and I
want to thank her for stepping into what seems to
be kind of dangerous territory in your profession, sharing the
truth about this.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Thank you, Thank you for having me on Judah. It's
good to be able to spread the word.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Absolutely. So I want to get into the book because
you start the book by debunking this kind of longtime myth.
You say, there's no evidence showing that depression is caused
by an abnormality in the brain chemical serotonin. Explain that.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So for a long time there's been a theory kicking
around that depression might be caused by a chemical imbalance,
such as a lack of serotonin. But although people didn't
realize that it was just a theory, because people had
been led to believe this was an established scientific fact.
It turns out that actually the evidence for it was
(02:08):
never looked as if it was very strong or all
very compelling. But there was nowhere There was nowhere where
you could go until a few years ago when we
published a paper where you could see all the research
on serotonin and depression together in one place. So a
few years ago, I got a little team together and
we identified all the recent research that's been done on
(02:29):
serotonin and depression, looking at various different aspects of the
serotonin system, like serotonin itself, serotonin metabolite, serotonin receptors, etc.
And we found that none of those areas of research
showed consistent or compelling evidence that there was any sort
of abnormality in the serotonin system in people with depression,
(02:53):
let alone a causal abnormality consisting of a lack of serotonin.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
This is, to me, is shocking because we've had so
many people say, you don't understand I have a brain
chemical disparity. You know, I have a true problem. And
I think that hearing that you know, missing a brain
chemical is really a tangible problem, and that is a problem.
A tangible problem seems to be something you can prove.
(03:20):
And therefore, a parent or a spouse, or even the
patient who says, my gosh, I have a deficiency in serotonin.
I must jump on this medication bandwagon because that's going
to fix the deficiency. That is an excuse to go
out and say I have to be on this medication.
But it's not even an excuse when you're in that
position you feel like the doctor tells me this, I
(03:41):
trust the doctor. I have to go on this. There's
these terrible side effects. Suddenly there's a broken trust, but
no one will listen.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, no, absolutely. So this idea was promoted by the
pharmaceutical industry when they were marketing the SSRI antidepressants back
in the late nighteen eighties and nineteen nineties. And at
this time they very deliberately set out to persuade people
that depression is something that's in the brain, is caused
(04:11):
by brain chemicals, and to override people's previous instincts that
depression is a reaction to things that are going on
in your life. So, and that campaign was enormously successful,
partly because they threw an awful lot of money at it,
partly because what they were putting across was, as you suggest,
(04:35):
you know, a sort of simple idea that people could
latch onto and that has some appeal. You know, when
you're feeling really at your debts and you're really distressed,
the idea that oh, it's not me, it's not my life,
it's just a simple problem in my brain. And whoa,
look at this. The doctor's got a solution for it.
How handy, I can take this antidepressant and everything will
(04:56):
be all right. So, you know, I think I think
it was this combination of all the money that went
into promoting this idea with the fact that it was
this nice, simple, appealing little story that people could that
observe to could accept to explain their difficulties.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I think you're saying correctly, though, it's this idea that
you have a biological condition that a medication can solve
and it will save your life. That's significant, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, it's an incredibly misleading story when we know
that actually it's not supported by scientific evidence, because it's
you know, it persuades people that you say that there's
something you know that there's something wrong with your brain,
therefore you need to take a drug to put it right.
(05:47):
If you were told instead, which is actually the situation,
We've got no idea what's going on in your brain.
Your feelings are probably a reaction to things that are
going on in your life and your environment. We've got
drugs that mess about with your brain chemicals in some way,
but we don't understand quite quite how, quite what they're doing,
(06:10):
quite how they affect people. But we've done these trials
that show they're a tiny little bit better than placebo,
although actually if we did the trials properly, we might
not see any difference, and they cause all these health problems,
especially if you take them for a long period of time.
Then people would be a lot more cautious about, you know,
about taking antidepressants. Then it would be you know, a
(06:31):
whole different a whole different ballgame. So, you know, by
telling people we've got this brain chemical imbalance, we've got
a drug that puts it right, without there being scientific
evidence to back that up, we've been profoundly misleading people
and stopping people from making properly informed decisions about whether
(06:52):
to take these chemicals or not.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's not just that you're taking a chemical, it's so
many of these people have come out and said, my
life has never been the same. I have never felt
life again. Really, I've never had the human experience again.
And yet for us to talk about this right now
it is controversial, And I say, how is this not
a massive crisis that the health organizations are saying pharmaceutical
(07:20):
companies need to step up and tell the truth about this.
But it's like everyone's in cohoots and people are suffering.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, So this idea that antidepressants corrected and underlying chemical
imbalance was helped to obscure the fact that antidepressants, like
other drugs that work on the brain, change our normal
brain chemistry and therefore change our normal mental states and
(07:48):
normal mental activities, including our emotions, our thought processes, and
sometimes our behavior in more or less subtle ways. Because
antidepressants differ from each other and different from other mind
altering drugs, but the point is that they are drugs
that do alter our normal brain chemistry, make us feel different,
(08:11):
and one of the one of the changes that they
seem to effect most commonly is that they dampen down
or numb people's emotions and restrict people's emotional range, so
that people so as well as maybe feeling less distressed
or less anxious, people feel less less happy, less joyful,
(08:34):
less excited by things in life. So, as you say,
antidepressants seem to have this property of restricting us emotionally.
Some people might feel that that effect is useful for them,
at least temporarily, if they're going through, you know, a
period of distress and feeling intense negative emotions but it
(08:58):
seems intuitive that certainly in the long term, numbing people's
emotions is not a good thing to do. It's not
going to help people resolve the problems in their lives.
It's not going to help people build, you know, good
solid relation and lasting relationships.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I want to share I have some of the statements
here that people have shared with me, and I want
to get to that, but I want to talk a
little bit about what you just said. These are experiences,
and sometimes you go through bouts of sadness or even depression,
but they're part of the human experience. Like we're meant
to believe that you're never supposed to feel sad, that
(09:39):
you're never supposed to have periods of sadness, But there
are times where life is a struggle. I mean even
as a sixteen year old. I have a sixteen year
old or a fourteen year old going through high school.
There are times when they feel sad, they feel out
of place. We talk through that they aren't looking for
they don't want to feel nothing. But I think that
(10:01):
they're miss These kids are also misled, and parents are misled.
When a child is going through a dark time, will
make it so they feel nothing and they'll come through
the other side. But it's not always easy to get
off of these either, once you do put somebody on
these medications.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
No, it's not. And I think the idea of putting
teenagers on them particularly is you know, is really worrying
because of course, you know, your teenage years are a
period when you feel things very intensely, and so you know,
you can you can understand how teenagers' parents might be,
you know, looking for a way to numb themselves.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But I think if teenagers is hard.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, exactly, but if people don't go through this period
and learn that, first of all, they come out the
other side, you know, things get less intense, just naturally,
but also they learn how to manage those feelings. And
if they don't learn those lessons because they're numbed, you know,
I'm worried that people are going into adult life in
(11:05):
such a way that they might not be able to
deal with emotional crises and things that you know, are
thrown at them in the future.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You had some stories in the book about people who
said that they said, I was put on antidepressants when
I was in my teenage years, and it was almost
as though I missed that emotional growth, and I'm not
prepared for what I have in my adult life because
I just have missing years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, And you also mentioned how, you know, get people
can get onto these drugs and be on them for
you know, years at a time and then have great
difficulty coming off them. So, you know, particularly if we're
starting people on them young, you know, we're potentially going
to end up with a with a whole load of
adults who are stuck on these tablets, having real difficulty
(11:52):
getting off them, and have been you know, emotionally suppressed
for years.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
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(13:10):
So it's interesting. I was talking to my kids about
this last night because they they say almost they feel
like many, probably more than half of the kids in
their school are on some type of medication. Whether that's
true or not, it seems like that's the case. And
you talked about the advertisements in the nineties and the
early two thousands that made it like, hey, this is
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what we should all be on. This is very normal,
and I do think that people are more willing to
talk about it. When I was, I was telling them.
When I was in high school, I don't remember anybody
being on medication. That was like the beginning of prozac
and the beginning of antidepressants, but it really wasn't something
that people were regularly talking about. And I feel like,
(13:52):
I know that you have a nostalgia from when you're young,
but it seemed like people's interpersonal relationships were much healthier.
I graduated in Night Team ninety five from high school,
and after that we started to see this skyrocket in
antidepressants and actually aggression in teenagers as well.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, we live in a culture where
everyone is much more open about mental health problems, and
I think that, you know, has positive and negative sides
to it. You know. I don't think it's good if
people are bottling up problems and suffering alone, and it's
good if people feel they can share, you know, how
they're feeling emotionally and share their difficulties with people. On
(14:32):
the other hand, I'm afraid that that leads to this
tendency to diagnose and label people as having mental disorders
that need you know that need drugs to put them right.
And clearly that's how it has progressed, you know, because
we've just been you know, using more and more of
these drugs, labeling more and more young people. And not
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only does that mean they might end up on these
emotions suppressing drugs for years, it also means they grow
up with this side that they're faulty in some way
that they've got you know, that they've got a biological fault,
and that there's nothing that they can do about it.
That you know that they're always going to you know
that they're always going to struggle.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
That's an interesting statement because I think when you are
in high school, when you're going through puberty, you feel
like you're broken in all kinds of ways. I'm not
good enough, I'm not pretty enough, i have acne, I'm
not i'm not as developed, you know, I'm shorter, all
of these different things that you go through in your
mind because you don't know what you are as a
final product, and you're wondering and you're anxious about it.
(15:36):
And that's normal. But if you stop that emotional growth
at that point, do you ever get out of thinking
there's something wrong with me? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, No, absolutely. I mean it's that intense time, isn't it.
High school when you're you're you're with so many people
of your own age groups, so you're constantly comparing yourself.
And as I said, I think, you know, what antidepressants
doing is suppressing your emotions so that you're not necessarily
then able to learn that actually you can manage to
(16:07):
get a grip on them, and they do get less
intense and you do get through these difficult periods in life.
We should also maybe mention maybe you're coming onto it,
but that you know, alongside the emotional blunting, they cause
sexual dysfunction. Very well recognized that they call the you know,
the antidepressants cause sexual dysfunction while people are taking them.
(16:29):
But what's becoming more and more apparent over recent years
is that for some people, these sexual problems persist after
they've stopped taking the antidepressant. And this seems to me
to be a huge issue that and I should say
as well that this has been shown in animal studies.
So it's not just that people who've taken antidepressants are
(16:53):
depressed and that's why they're not having a great sex life.
It has been shown in animal studies. It looks like
it's a biological effect.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Is that That's the number one question I got from people,
and that was I think that was the part that
surprised me the most was the people. As soon as
we put out we're going to be talking about this
stuff on a podcast this week, the number of people
who came out and openly on X, on a here,
(17:25):
on a public platform, came out and said, please talk
about what this is doing to people, and you talk
about the experience of being on these So I just
want to read a little portion from your book. You say.
They reported their ability to experience positive emotions such as joy, excitement, enthusiasm,
and happiness was diminished, as well as the intensity of
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negative feelings such as sadness, anger, irritability, and anxiety. They
felt less love or affection for their family members and friends,
and their interest in life had been diminished. Don't even
we're not even getting to the sexual side effects yet,
we're looking at Suddenly you have a family member who
(18:07):
you think, and trust me, we've been there in our family.
You think you put somebody on this medication, it's going
to help them calm down, it's going to help them
have a better life, and suddenly you lose that person.
I mean you really lose them. Because when you say
in your book they felt less love or affection for
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family members and friends, and their interest in life diminished,
what do you think that does to their children, to
their parents, to their spouse. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, I've been hearing more and more comments from family
members along these lines, talking about the changes that these
drugs can cause in people and the emotional distance that
they can create in relationships. When someone is taking one
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of these drugs, it's like a victim.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And that's the thing that makes me mad about these
The health organizations won't come out and say we've got
many victims. We've got victims who have taken the medication,
and we have victims who are in the family who
have lost somebody who is taking the medications. And victim
may sound like a strong word, but this seems like
a national health emergency to me, and we're not talking
(19:21):
about it. And now I do want to say, talk
about spousal relationships and even relationships for young people, people
trying to have a relationship. These antidepressants. When you talk
about reduce sexual desire, we are talking about so much
more than what people can imagine you've got reduced sexual desire,
decreased sexual excitement, delay and reducing the intensity of an orgasm,
(19:45):
and a rectile dysfunction, problems, delayed ejaculation. I mean, these
are hard things to talk about, but I have so
many people telling me this is what they're experiencing. And
the crazy thing to me in your book, you say
that these are actually prescribed to sex offenders to reduce
their sex drive. How if you are depressed and you say,
(20:06):
I'm boy, life is really hard. How is like, hey,
let me give you something that I'll make you never
want to have sex again, or you will want to
have sex saying you won't be able to How does
that help people that are depressed.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I know, it's really shocking, isn't it. Genital numbing is
the most characteristic effect of SSRIs and similar antidepressants, and
then of course that leads to all sorts of problems
like difficulty having orgasm and erectileisfunction and things. And yeah,
(20:39):
I mean, you know, really shocking. When you talk about victims.
I don't think it's too strong a word because people
who have significant problems with their sexual function or the
people who are really struggling with prolonged withdrawal states. Many
of them are in a terrible state. You know, their
lives have been absolutely turned upside down. You know, people
(21:01):
who are in these withdrawal states, many of them can't
go to work anymore. They you know, they lose their
relationships because they're so unwell. Some of them are you know,
you can't even get out of bed for weeks or
months at a time, so it can be really serious.
And of course, the people who have this, you know,
persistent sexual dysfunction, you know, many of them are young
(21:24):
people just at the start of their you know, relationship life,
and suddenly things are not working properly. They've lost their desire,
they've lost their interest, and yet they know that they
should have it. So of course this is absolutely tragic
for these people and for the people around them.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
As you write about a woman in the book who
says that as soon as she took it, within days
of taking the anterdepressant, she could no longer She had
no longer any feeling in her genitals, she had no
longer any feeling, and she thought, well, as soon as
I get into a relationship, I'll go off of this.
It'll go away. She did, she found a relationship, she
(22:01):
went off with the medication, and she said, no desire
for sex, no feeling, no feeling, no feeling whatsoever down there.
I just cannot get past that. And she never married,
she never had a relationship because that eventually that broke
down because the person couldn't handle the fact that she
had no sexual desires. This is criminal, as far as
I'm concerned. Robbing someone of the human experience should be criminal.
(22:26):
How can this continue? How is that these people aren't
told just so you know, you'll go on this and
you may feel less anxiety, but you might never feel
anything else.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I know, I mean people really at least people
really really need to know about these complications, this possibility.
And the other thing is I would have said to
you if i'd come on a couple of months ago,
a few months ago, Oh, I think this is pretty rare,
you know, not minusculely rare, because there are so many
(22:58):
people talking about a bit pretty rare. Actually, there've been
studies coming out recently that suggests it's possibly not that
rare at all. There was a survey done in Canada,
I believe, which found that thirteen percent of people were
reporting persistent sexual problems after stopping antidepressants, and that compared
to only one percent of people who had stopped other medication. So,
(23:23):
and it wasn't a study that was specifically about this,
So it wasn't as if all the people answering the
questionnaire were people who had an ax to grind. It
was a general, a general survey about sexual functioning. So
you know, it could be that this is affecting ten
percent or even more of people who are using antidepressants,
(23:44):
which obviously means it's huge numbers of people.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's huge numbers of people, and that's why I think
we've had so many people reach out to us, and
I think it is I would say, this is a
very taboo subject. It's hard to talk about, and I
understand why it hasn't been talked about for years because
not many people want to come out and admit this.
I mean, the woman that you talk about in the book,
she said when she did a documentary on it, she said,
(24:10):
I expected you fifteen years ago. I've been waiting for
fifteen years to tell this story. But that was still
like seven years after it happened to her. And I
think it's because it's so hard to come out and
say I can't do this anymore, because having a physical
relationship with your spouse, with your loved one, having sex
is so important, so crudical, crucial to who we are,
(24:32):
and nobody wants to say this, But you write in
the book that one expert actually suggests that reduced genital
sensation can occur within thirty minutes of taking the first
dose thirty minutes, and delayed and weakened orgasm can occur
soon after. He actually described an example of a woman
(24:53):
who took an SSRI. Her genitals were so numb that
she could brush them with a hair brush without feeling
a thing. That's sickening to me. It's terror, it's criminal.
I cannot say enough the idea that people have to
live with this the rest of their life. How can
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this be?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
How can we be ignoring this so scary?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think we've just been much too blase about the
idea of giving people mind altering drugs. As I say,
and as I said at the beginning, that's partly because
we've had this complete myth that what we're doing is
using these sophisticated, targeted substances, when we're not so we've
been much too blase about it. We haven't properly investigated
(25:41):
the consequences of taking these these drugs. We haven't looked
in detail at what happens when people come off them,
at the sort of withdrawal problems that people have, the
problems people have if they end up taking them for
months or years. You know, most of the studies are
set up to last a few months, and that's what
we have the data on, and there's not very good
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data after that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
In the US alone, it's an eighteen billion dollar industry
annually antidepressants, putting people on drugs that aren't making you
less depressed. And I say that I can see the
reason you would put someone like the guy in North
Carolina on these. However, there's also evidence that this can
make people aggressive, that this can make people suicidal, that
(26:26):
this can actually lead potentially to someone hurting other people.
So how is there not a group of people out
there saying, really, stop this, stop this medication.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
There's another myth around that these drugs work, that they
make people less depressed, regardless of how they might do that,
and that's based on these placebo control studies. But actually
these studies show that antidepressants are minimally different from a
placebo that the majority of the effect they're having is
a placebo effect, Which makes sense, doesn't it. A course,
(27:00):
you know, people go and see their doctor at their
low point, they're given something that they think and hope
is going to make them feel better, and of course
that sends them off feeling a bit more hopeful, at
least temporarily. So it's probably the case that these these
drugs have no actual beneficial pharmacological effect. And yet we
know that, you know, if you tamper with brain chemistry,
(27:23):
that can have negative consequences. And it's becoming more and
more apparent that there are many negative consequences from taking antidepressants.
It seems say for some people, this this uh, this
causing of aggressive or suicidal impulses.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. This is so I really encourage
everybody out there to get this book, to read this book,
because when you learn about this, you will learn about
there's everybody knows somebody in their life that is on
one of these medications. I just am at the point
(28:04):
where I believe everybody knows someone and or they're being
pushed to go on it. And I say that because
I do want to read a few of the comments
that came to me, and I'm reading them out loud
because they were on a public forum, and I think
that that's okay to share. Someone says to me, please
consider talking about the other horrifying symptoms of PSSD from SSRIs.
(28:26):
Sexual dysfunction is only the tip of the iceberg for
a lot of us. Lack of emotions, cognitive decline, destruction
of our creativity and imaginations, muscle loss and heart conditions.
Another one. I'm a healthy man in my early thirties.
All blood work tests are great, full body MRI cat
scans normal, and yet I have no libido, full sexual dysfunction,
(28:48):
emotions dulled, taste dulled, etc. This is two years after
stopping lexapro. PSSD is literally a crime against humanity. Two more.
I'm an anesthesia or one more an anime caesiologist in Michigan.
I've been suffering from this for four years. I've met
many other patients. This is basically like being dead while
still breathing. Please help us raise awareness for prevention and
(29:11):
a possible treatment. Our children are at risk. It breaks
my heart to read these things because this guy is saying,
what if someone gets to my kids and puts them
because he has three children, what if someone puts my
children on this medication. I mean, he's on it, he's
living it. That to me is it's a crisis and
(29:32):
no one's talking about it.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I know, I know, it's absolutely tragic. It just I
suppose it shows you the power of the you know,
the pharmaceutical industry, the medical profession, the medical industrial complex.
We could call it to you know, to dute people essentially.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And he actually, I do have one more that I
think you need to hear. We feel chemically castrated and lobotomized.
I will one hundred percent rather only have sexual dysfunction
at this point.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
It is a.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Horrifying existence living like this twenty four to seven. No
one should ever have to feel like this because of
a medication handed out so frivolously for mild depression.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that's it, very well, doesn't It's.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I just I thank you so much for being one
who's willing to come forward and talk about this, because
I think that we're at a time, at least in
the United States where we have a health and Human
Services agency that is open to talking about things like this.
But for the I have to say, there has to
(30:44):
be hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people across
the globe or at least in the Western world, that
have either experienced this themselves or they are also victims
on the other side, as someone standing alongside a person
who has been victimized by a doctor who doesn't tell them.
And the reason I say this is because they're not learning,
(31:06):
the doctors aren't telling them. And I'll just end asking you,
is it because the doctors don't know? Is there a
financial incentive to continue to dole out these drugs? What
is the reason we can't tell people that their life
will be permanently altered if they take these medications.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So most antidepressants are off patent now, so the pharmaceutical
industry are no longer advertising, no longer care about them
that much. I think the bigger reason that there is
a reluctance to admit how useless and harmful they are
is that they've just been so widely used. It's such
(31:44):
a huge mistake that like the opioid crisis, Like the
opioid crisis, that doctors really struggle to acknowledge that that
is the situation.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
It's it's a crisis. So your book, your book, tell
us about your book. It's chemically imbalanced, the making and
unmaking of the serotonin myth. This is what created the
whole push to get people on. You have a chemical
imbalance in your brain, you are dysfunctional. This will make
you functional. Where can people get the book and find
out the truth?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So it's published by Trafalgar Publishers in the US on
the twenty third of September. It's already out in the UK,
so you can order it via the UK publisher and
you can also get the electronic copy, but it will
be out in the US officially on the twenty third.
I have a website and I'm on x as well
if people want to follow me there.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's so crucial. I mean, as you said, we had
doctor eurato On. He talked about the fact that even
the mother can transfer this to the baby when she
is pregnant, and in adolescent animals that have received this
as they were when they were fetuses, they show the
same sexual dysfunction when they hit adolescents. This could see
a crisis for decades to come, and it has to
(33:02):
stop now. So thank you so much, doctor Joanna Moncreef,
thank you for being here today, Thank you so much, Judent, absolutely,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon podcast. Make sure you head over to the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can
watch it on a rumble or YouTube at Tutor Dixon
(33:22):
and join us the next time. Have a blessed day.
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