May 22, 2023 • 35 mins
Todd Piro is a co-anchor on FOX & Friends First. You can catch him on the FOX News Channel weekday mornings bright and early at 4am ET! Todd joins Tudor to discuss life in front of a camera, waking up at 11:30pm ET, and raising a family just outside New York City. Plus, why haven't Republicans learned how to win elections yet? Todd and Tudor break it all down. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday. For more information check out TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the
Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck
Sexton podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm
Tutor Dixon, and I'm so glad you're here with me
today because I get to turn the tables on one
of my favorite people today. I have Todd Pyro with
me and you are probably familiar with this guy because
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he's at the anchor desk every morning on Fox News.
He's on Fox and Friends first, and we actually met
in the green room there where he ran past me
and I thought, is that Todd? But then I thought,
maybe Todd doesn't actually like me or want to say
hello to me. But it's just that he has such
a stressful morning job where he wakes up so early
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that he ran past it. And then he came back
and said hello. And so now I get to interview
him today, which is really turning the tables, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Todd totally false news. I ran Passion because I greatly
dislike you. I actually was in charge of Gretchen Whitmer's.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Campaign No, and he's secretly funny, really funny.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And you know, look it was one of those days.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Everybody says, Todd, you're frenetic, you twitch a lot, You're
always running around with so much energy. That is true,
especially during the first half of the day. And so
you caught me. I was running around like a lunatic,
and I was like, oh, man, kind of felt like
I should have said hi to Tudor. So I doubled back.
And I'm glad I did because we've had you on
the show a bunch more after that, and now I'm
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on your show. The flip side of that is, and
I don't want to like again, we are turning the tables,
this is your show, You're asking the questions. But the
flip side of that is when I get home, I
could not be a more useless human being, like and
that's tough.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
When you have two kids.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Now under you're not allowed to do it, it is tough.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So look, I'm not saying that my life is a
struggle compared to people have real struggles, like I get it.
But boy, by Friday, I am pretty tired and I'm
not the oh, full of energy Todd that I think
you see in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So my wife always shows.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
But you do this with two little kids, I mean,
I think that days, especially on the campaign trail, there
were days where I was like, oh gosh, you know,
I'm I'm getting up at five taking the kids to school,
and then my kids are much older than yours. You
are getting up in the middle of the night. I mean,
tell us a little bit about how that goes, because
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This isn't a joke like everybody I go Tod's jokie.
I literally get up at eleven thirty PM, not a joke,
like that's real. And so I do live a little
bit further away. I'm not a city guy, especially not
a New York City guy. My gut tells me if
I was single, I probably would be. But I'm not single.
So I try to get the heck out of here,
and so I live pretty far away. But that said,
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I use that entire trip down to study and prep
for the show shows on at four. I'm prepping literally
from the moment I get in transportation, playing trains and
automobiles to get down here, and then we do the
show that we have meetings and then we do other things.
Today I did Varney, now I'm doing Yours. And days
when I stay late I try to, you know, do
the contact thing here in the great great you know,
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New York City, because you know, that's what this business
is all about, shaking hands and kissing babies. But on
a daylight today, I'm going to get home late, and
you better believe I'm not going to get a nap today.
The moment I get home, it's okay, here are the kids.
You got to do kids stuff. And then it's you know,
the witching hour four to seven, it's bathtime.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's food than bathtime.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I may have to go outside to play because it's
somewhat nice, uh, and then.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Then bathtime you may get to get bathtime. You know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Baftime is a process like I don't remember bathtime being
as engaged as as it is currently for me and
my journey. But it's a two hour process. I think,
from start to finish.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh my gosh, see, I'm so glad that I'm past this.
But so it goes fast. You think that that's going
to last forever, and then one day that's gone and
there's a whole another journey that you're on. And a
lot of that for me is math. I hate math. Math.
Homework comes home and I'm like your dad, I don't know.
This is not my strong suit. I can't do. Last
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night we were upbuilding boats. And that's the funny thing
about once your kids get a little older and you
have a school project, you have a school project. I'm
doing incredibly well at science, better than I did when
I was in middle school. So I'm blaming my parents.
I'm like, clearly you weren't good at science, because obviously
it's the parent that does the science project.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think you raise a key point there, Tutor, and
it's the fact that this is going away at some point,
and I can sit here and kind of make light
of the schedule and how it's taxing, but at the
end of the day that bathtime is special and it's
cute and it's adorable, and I'm going to be legitimately
sad when it goes away. Will I gain the same
sense of enjoyment from the math, like you mentioned, I
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don't know, but I must say the entire process. All
I want to do is go to sleep when I
go home. But this entire process is well worth it
because after bathtime you have reading time, and reading time
is cute because you cuddle up, you go over words,
you get asked questions that are the most hysterical questions
in the world, and my favorit. And this is the
highlight of my highlight of my day. After all that,
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we put our first one to bed, and then I
leave the room while my wife does the singing and
all that other stuff. She then runs out and says,
one more hug, daddy, And that's the greatest thing.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh and your oldest is two and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is that right? Two and a half?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You can't miss that half.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's the best. I love it. I love every minute
of it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So you're really in the throes of a little so
I will tell you I made a well. My husband
says that I made a parenting mistake because I snuggled
them to sleep every night, every night. And I have
four kids, so I still my twins are nine, and
they still want me to lay in bed with them
while they fall asleep. And he's like, you've created this
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monstrous bedtime situation. So bedtime is long for me. But
now my older ones just run off, and I'm like, see,
I knew one day it would be over, and I
just want to be as close to them as I
can while they're a little and love every minute this
and it does it just and when it goes away,
you're not expecting it. It's just overnight, it's gone. That's
this is so depressing, but it really is. But they
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grow up and they become different and cool and exciting
and they run track.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And that's your husband and my wife must have attended
the same parenting class because I am verboten from doing
the cuddling up in bed and going to sleep at
the same time. I suggested if things are going bad,
like let the older one cuddle with me, it'll be fine,
and she says, no, I guess I'm a cuddler tutor
Dixon's account who knew that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I'm going to introduce you now on.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Instead of former Michigan goubernatorial can I'm gonna say, noted
cuddler tutor Dixon joins us on the program and you
can do the same to me.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I think that's gonna go bad for both of us
if that's what you say, because.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Worn one day, there's gonna be a lot of questions there.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But that's true with kids, absolutely, one hundred percent. And
I think that's important. I think it's important to know
that you're safe. And my parents were like that, and
I just I don't know, maybe maybe that maybe that's
not a good sign if my parents were like that,
because the Yeah, but I love that when I come
to New York you're always talking to me about what's
going on because I am just past those stages. So
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as you talk about this, it is very interesting. But
you talked to me the last time. You were talking
about for the first time ever, having to say to
your two and a half year old, be careful when
you pick up something from the ground, don't put it
in your mouth. Because of what we're seeing with fentanyl
and pills and everything. We saw that story not too
long ago about the vacation by owner and those people
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that went and stayed there and they ended up having
the people before them left drugs and the little eighteen
month old died from picking something up. I mean, parenting
is different today than it used to be.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's scary percent right on that look.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
When we were growing up, it was you have to
watch the needles in your Halloween candy, right, and you
always showed your parents your Halloween candy. They vetted it,
made sure it was okay. But what we're talking about
now is not a needle it's literally a poison that
just breathing it could kill you. So touching the pill,
if you're a tiny little child in the pill is
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potent enough could kill you. And so yeah, I had
to have that uncomfortable conversation. You have to review it
over and over again, and basically it's repetition like, Hey,
if you see this on the ground, do you eat it?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Do you touch it? Do you tell an adult?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And we give these like multiple choice things, try to
encourage her to be like, go tell an adult, and
we go through the list of adults that she can tell,
to try to make it a little bit of a game,
because she's at the stage where I don't think she
can understand the ramifications of it. A couple of years ago,
if I would have told you there's a pill that
if it's on the ground and you touch it, it could
kill you, would you have understood the ramifications. That's why
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I think this fentanyl is such a sea change for
all of us, And it's an uncomfortable conversation. But I'd
rather have the conversation now than have the consequences that
are horrific that I don't even want to think about.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I know, I think that there's so many things to
be afraid of. My girls saw a penny the other
day on the ground. I'm like, don't pick it up
because even like you said, just that touching. So you
noted that you live outside of the city. Obviously all
of us are watching New York City and saying, what
is going on there? Many years ago? When I graduated
from college many years ago, I lived in New York
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City for a year and I took the subway every day,
multiple times day. Never thought about it. I mean I
went all over the city every single day and never
thought twice about whether or not I was safe. But
that has completely changed. We're seeing crime on the subways,
but now we're seeing all these migrants. You have the
mayor Eric Adams saying he doesn't want these people coming
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there anymore, like they need to go to other places.
He's calling out. Joe Biden, what does it feel like
for you as you've watched the change over time.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's sad because I grew up twenty five minutes away
from here. When I was growing up in the eighties,
this place was bad. We did not come in the city.
I wrote an essay in fourth grade that said the
two places I'm the most scared to go to are
day Rout, Lebanon and New York City because obviously, at
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around that time I was nineteen eighty six, Bay Root, Lebanon.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
In the news a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But the fact that I had made that connection that
this place was like a third world country and was
as violent as a third world country showed the fear
that I had. And then the nineties happened, and I
would come into the city, I would in turn, I
would hang out, I would do all the things, and
it was an amazing and vibrant place. Even when I
started at Fox in twenty seventeen, I remember going to
a Yankee game the day that I signed my Fox
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contract and thinking, Wow, this is my dream come true
to work in the city that I grew up and
this is so amazing. And now tutor the moment that
I'm done, unless I have something I need to stick
around for, I get out. I do not bring my
wife or my children into the city. And that's sad
think about that. I'm so nervous that if something went down,
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I would have to protect them, and I wouldn't have
enough resources to do it, just because you know, I'm
five ten three quarters. I'm not built like you know
Pete hegseth over here, right, And so why bring that
risk on? Like, I take care of myself. I get
in and I get out, and I'm ready to deal
with the ramifications of that. But I wouldn't want to
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bring that upon them. Will that change?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And as to the migrant aspect of it, look, am
I worried that the mother with two children who's being
you know, sent up here from Texas is going to
mug me? Absolutely not. You know, that's not the concern.
The concern when it comes to the migrant aspect of
it is the single mails and you know they are
not acting all like boy scouts, and that is an issue.
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And one of the hotels, the Roosevelt Hotel, where a
number of these migrants are going to be staying. I
walk past that every day to go to the train station,
and I will admit, last couple of days, I don't
even know if it's happened yet, but just mentally I
kind of like bear it up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I made sure my.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Backpack was on a little extra tight just in case, Hey,
if something goes down, I got to be ready to
go and that's it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When you think even the mom
and the child that are coming, how are they taken
care of and what is it like for them? Because
you're putting somebody in a situation where they don't have
a job. You have so many people converging in one
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place that don't have a job. She's protecting her child,
but does she have to get a job and leave
the child? And then where does the child go? Are
they in the hotel? Who stays with them? You know,
there's so many factors here that I think people are
being remiss in refusing to talk about the human factor,
taking care of people factor, whether or not this is
loving and caring. All the people that say, oh, this
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is loving and caring, they don't care once they're gone.
They're not figuring out how to get these people so
that they are actually legal, so they can actually hold
a job, so they're not in hiding. Because once you
come in and you're given a court date three years
from now and you're not actually a legal citizen, you
don't have the rights that other people have. You are hiding.
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You are in a situation where people don't want to
hire you. They're not jumping to hire people that they're
going to get in trouble for hiring. I mean, it's
a mess all the way.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Glad you mentioned the children, because children in the shadows,
which is what you just said, which is what is
ultimately happening. That is a recipe for disaster that leads
to child sex abuse, child sex exploitation, child trafficking.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Just as a.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Parent, no one would want that on any child. And
when you think about that is ultimately happening, There's been
documented evidence. We have kids, tens of thousands of children
that have we haven't kept track of them because we
haven't kept track of their parents. Think about that, Think
about what these kids could be living.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Through right now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And as a parent, it makes you cry, and as
a parent, you wonder how anybody could do that to
a child. But there's also the reality of the way
the Biden administration has run the immigration system or open
border system, i should say, is facilitating harm to those children.
And to me, that's the worst aspect of all of this.
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You know, if I have to sort of, you know,
buckle up when I go by the Roosevelt hotel. Okay,
that's one thing. The fact that a five year old
child is going to be exploited is unconscionable that any
US policy would facilitate.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
That, right, and I think that's where we well. I
ran for office, obviously, so I can speak from the
Republican or conservative side of running for office. I think
that we're we're good at complaining about it, but we're
not really showing the whole story, and we're not finding
people where they are and explaining how truly dangerous this is.
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Because everybody talks about we have this open border, but
we actually have a border that is controlled by a
criminal organization. The cartels completely control our border. We have
no control over them, We have no control over what
they're doing, and they are putting kids. They have these
wristbands on people so they know what they owe them,
and then they control them for many, sometimes many years
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in and sometimes for life. Those people owe the cartels,
and they're in the United States constantly afraid. How is
that a good way to live? How do any liberal
people hear that and not say, oh, actually, that's really
a bad idea. We would never want somebody to be
whether it is a sex trade or even if it's
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just being in a permanent situation where you have to
look over your shoulder all the time because you are
beholden to a criminal organization. How can we get this
across to people that this is not right.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't blame the migrants themselves, because to your point,
I don't think they know ultimately what they're getting themselves
into when they decide to make the trip here. The left,
they know exactly what they're doing, and they continue to
do it anyway despite these horrific consequences that attach. And
you know you mentioned Republicans. Republicans do a great job
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of complaining. Republicans do a horrible job at actually operationalizing solutions.
And let's be honest. I please, I mean no offense
to you on this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm not no, I'm totally with you on this because
I want I.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Think people need to hear that your election I'm talking
about in the aggregate, the Republican machine. They love to
complain about elections. They don't realize these are the rules.
It's time to play by the rules and learn to
master the rules.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
As a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Because I'm a lawyer by trade, I didn't sit there
and say I hate these laws, so I'm just going
to fold my hands and not fullup. No, you figure
out a way to work around the laws and operate
within the construct of the laws. We're talking like early voting,
absentee voting, all that other stuff. Stop complaining about it.
Figure it out for twenty twenty four, and then maybe
if you get into office and you win some of
these elections, you can actually operationalize some actual solutions to
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help our country and quite frankly, to help these migrants.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Having gone through an election myself and seeing what we did,
I have a pretty good idea of what we are
not doing. And I can look at the Democrats and
I can see that they're reaching people exactly where they are.
They're going into their cell phones, they're getting messaged. The
message they want to hear is going directly to that person.
So you and I both know that there are people
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that watch the news every day. I mean, I truly
do wake up with you every single day, and that's
the first thing I do when I get out of
the shower as I watch you, Brian Kilme tells me
to get dressed. It's always it's like groundhog Day. Every
morning is the same but there are a lot of
people who are not watching the news. There are a
lot of people who are not tuning, and they actually
want to tune out. And so when people say how
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is the Republican messaging not getting through? I think you
think that the majority of the country is listening to
the news, when I would say more often than not,
they're tuned out because it's so negative. So that message
is not getting to them unless you go directly to them.
Unless you're getting into their phones and they're getting messages
from you, or they're getting ads from you. You're mailing
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to their house, you're going out there and talking to
them at their doors, and those are things Republicans are
absolutely not doing. But the Democrats find you, they give
you their message. They are meeting you where you are.
They're not saying we're having a rally, come and see us.
They're going directly to the people. Republicans are not getting this.
I see just this last election, the Jacksonville mayor becomes
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a Democrat and everybody goes, oh, my goodness, how could
this happen. We've got to employ the people that were
on the ground, they are working, and I'm like, they
didn't get the job done. Still we're a little bit off.
We're not getting what it takes. We're not reaching the people.
Why is this so hard for Republicans to understand? And
I say this from a place of knowing because I
lived it and I saw it, and I was told
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this is going to be winning. And when I step out,
I look back and I go, I see why I
didn't win. I see why Republicans aren't winning. But Republicans
keep saying it's unfair. We don't seem to be getting
the message of what we need to do.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That Jacksonville result very concerning if you're the Republicans, because
we've had a number of people come on and basically
have the discussion that we're having. Like Republicans, we figured
it out, like we know we need to go to
the voters.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
We're going to do it. Oh and it's great. Did
they not do it?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So you see what happened in twenty twenty two, you
had some time to figure that out. You look what
happened on Tuesday. You didn't figure it out. And so
what's going to happen in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You have some time.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Admittedly you have some gubernatorial races in twenty twenty three,
but obviously all eyes are on twenty twenty four. You've
promised that you're going to change your ways. The proof
hasn't been in the pudding so far.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You better figure it out. And I love the fact that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You mentioned the news viewership because where Fox, everybody watches us,
at least that's what we.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Put out there.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
But when you look at the actual numbers, like even
our highest primetime number is only one one hundredth of
the entire nation, right, think about that. And I was
just at a National Police Week with a bunch of
police officers, and yeah, there were the few that I
love you watching you every morning, but there were a
whole heck of a lot of people that are definitely
pro cop. If you're at National Police Week and you
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are yourself a police officer, and they were like, I
don't know you, who are you? And I don't take
offense to that. That just shows that they're they're not
watching the content of us, and they even say, I go,
I don't watch the news. Well, to your point, you
got to hit those people because they're not being educated
on a number of issues by you, And so that's
an opportunity for the Democrats who are really good at elections.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I had this moment. I went to DC with my
daughter's eighth grade a couple of weeks ago, so it
talked to eight yes.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So I had this moment where I came down in
the morning in the hotel and the kids are all
getting ready and the parents are about to have their meeting,
and I am watching the TV because I'm waiting to see,
you know, what the morning news is. I like made
a conscious effort to look around, and I thought, not
one of these parents even cares. That's they don't. It's
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not their mindset, you know. They don't think about what's
going on in the world a minute they wake up
and that has to be somewhat free. And you know,
but when it's your career, when it's what you do
every day, it's almost like you wake up and you're like,
I have to know what is happening in the world.
And I remember during the day I got some breaking
news I can't remember it was, and it was pretty shocking.
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I said, oh, you know, this is happening, and they
were like, oh, how do you even know that? And
it struck me so many people live outside of this
bubble of news and really feel great about not having
to live it. And so they know nothing about you
or me, or people running or they probably don't even
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know in many cases the congressmen in their state. They
may know their own, but they probably don't know the
other ones. And so when you talk about what's happening
in government and what Republicans are putting out there, these
people are not hearing it. And I think you're making
a really good point. Republicans still think they're doing it.
They came out and they talked to you, and they said,
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now we're going to talk to the people. But I've
talked to folks in Jacksonville and said what happened? And again,
I can tell you that the tools that the Democrats
are using to meet people, the technology, the micro targeting,
the AI that they are using to get into the
minds and hearts of people and manipulate them into going
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out and voting, but also just the constant contact of
going to their door and getting them out there. We
are not doing that. And that is not something that
happens from one person or from one organization. It doesn't
come from just the RNC, because it certainly doesn't come
from the DNC. It is a massive amount of organizations
that work together across the country. How did we get
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this far behind?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
From what I've been told? And again, you would know
this way better than me. It seems like the consultant
class is very good at taking the money and not
on the Republican side, I should say, taking the money
and not putting forth the solutions that lead to victory.
Is that an accurate assessment?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, absolutely, because if you're a consultant and you lose,
you still win. Because see, in the world of elections,
the data is the value you Right, So if you
lose your election, but you've run the election in that area,
then you can go to the next candidate and say,
let me run your election because I own all of
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the information here. And the value of a race is
the information. Having that in your back pocket so you
can email people, so you can call people. It's all
right there. And so the consultant will actually make more
money because they will say, you know, I can I
can lend this to you, I can, I can make
money from this. And I mean, we had a consultant
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in Michigan. I talked to a guy who is running
a data organization and he said in twenty sixteen, I
paid sixty million dollars for the data in Michigan. Sixty
million dollars. Does that blow your mind?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You can understand why in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen,
the establishment, the entire establishment, Republicans, Democrats did not like
Trump because he kind of did all this on his own.
You know, I'm sure you have some data. I'm not saying,
you know, completely on his own. But he was an outsider,
and he approached the election as an outsider. And look
what happened when he kind of went a little bit
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more of the system. He lost right when he used
the data, when he had that whole intense data operation.
Now look, I'm not saying I'm anti data. I'm agreeing
one hundred percent with your point. The system doesn't necessarily
care about winning and losing. The system cares about self
propagating itself.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think we have to have
that balance always of Republicans and Democrats, and it scares
me that Republicans are not on that same playing field
because if we end up as one party, we are
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just a mess. And that's always been the great balancer
in the United States. But man, weird things are happening,
Strange things are going on. It's just a different world,
and to me, it is very scary if we don't
get on top of that and figure it out. But
it is, I guess, a part of the process, and
we're learning along the way, and it's good that we
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have people like you out there talking about this stuff.
But I want to get to something because you mentioned
that your an attorney. So this is very interesting to
me because I didn't know that about you until I
started stalking you so I could do this podcast and
not any other reason. But I did find out whoa
This is weird because generally you think of people who
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are doing in an anchor position like you are, as
someone who has studied this their whole life, a journalist
their whole life. But how did you know you did?
You were an attorney, but it seems like you kind
of always knew this was the place you want to do.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You nail the key question. So when I was in college,
I knew I wanted to do this. My problem was
I went to college in a really small New Hampshire town.
I didn't grow up in New York City, but I
grew up pretty close and I didn't know if I
could go off to that small market in the middle
of nowhere for another two years, two three years after
having been in New Hampshire for four years. So I said,
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combine that with the fact that my dad's a lawyer,
I'm kind of interested in the law, and the fact
that I want to have backup plans and I want
to make a little money before I trialed. Is all
this went into the decision, Hey, let me apply to
law school. So I applied, got into UCLA, said I'm
going to go to LA because LA is where you
do entertainment. Horrible connecting of ideas there, they have nothing
to do with one another. But I loved UCLA, Love
(26:23):
the experience, loved being in LA. Love the fact that
I got to watch some college football and my favorite game.
It's the hottest I've ever been in life. Ucla versus Michigan,
so UCLA won. I literally sweated out eighteen thousand bottles
of water that tech. So practice after law school, I
practiced for four and a half years out in LA.
But during the entire time that I was out there
(26:45):
doing the law, I kept up with my connections in
broadcasting because in college I interned in New York City
at WABC seven, which is the NBABC O.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And O station.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Here, I interned at Good Morning America, and I interned
at a young, upstar art news channel called the Fox
News Channel. And so yes, I was in this building
back in nineteen ninety eight and nineteen ninety nine. And
when the time came ready to make my resume tape,
which was in around two thousand and six, two thousand
and seven, I would come back to the East Coast
for your friend's weddings. That's the time of your life
(27:17):
when everybody's getting married, and I would take a few
extra days off of law the law firm, and I
would go out with reporters in these in New York
City and make my resume tape. And there eventually got
a resume tape together, and in two thousand and eight
I sent it out, got my first job in Palm Springs, California,
and the rest is history. But to answer your question, yes,
I've always wanted to do this. I am not broadcast trained.
(27:40):
I think that's completely evident when you watch Fox and
Friends first from four to six AM, Eastern Time. But
I think I bring something different to the table, and
you know that's what I love about Fox.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I am me. You've met me, for better or for worse.
This is how I am on air, off air in life.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
The only time I'm not like this is when I
reached that like I'm about to die, not tired, and
then I become no fun whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I am real. This is me, for better or for worse.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And I think that translates to TV. And I think
that's what the Fox audience likes. Whether that would translate
it into one place, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, I think that is. It's funny because somebody said
to me once, TV is different. News is different than
what it used to be. It used to be that
you wanted to see your news anchor and they were
very serious and you believed that they understood the news
and they were getting it across to you. And over
years it's shifted and now people want to see someone
(28:31):
that they think that they could go out and have
lunch with. And I think that does come across with
you and whoever you're co hosting with. That's not a journey.
Right at the moment, I'm supposed to say You're right,
it's true because I don't know what's happening with you,
but you send ten to send people away.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Say for the stat from October twenty twenty one to
the present, one of the top two women in my
day in and day out life. I mean, I love
my mother, but I don't see her every day people
I see every day or my wife and my co anchor.
One of those two individuals has been pregnant since October
of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Think about that for a moment. Think about that. I'm
not well.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I'm glad I don't spend that much time around you
because I'm definitely done with that. I don't want whatever
that weird.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Ses enough oh Joe is to Yeah, enough for sure,
But no, I think it's a I think you are
so real with the women too.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I think that's the coolest part. And probably you know
you're going through that too. You have a little one
and you have a toddler, and that's neat that you
can share that with the people on that are on
TV with you. I can't imagine what it's like to
be mom and have to get up at the time
that you get up. I mean, no offense we're.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Going to see.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Really, I don't want to talk out of school here
with my private conversations with the lovely and talented Carly Shimkiss,
but I will say there's been a little bit of
like she's like, heck, am I going to do this?
And there's some truth to tarn.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think that's as a I think that people don't
realize that moms. A lot of women have to work
now and it is really tough to step away. I
can't imagine stepping away at that critical night time when
you have feedings and all of that and they're waking
up and it's hard. You're just you are exhausted all
the time. I give them credit for being able to
(30:19):
do it, even when you're pregnant. You're like that. So
then after having the baby, I can't imagine. But you
guys are champs. I love watching you every morning. I
love the fact that you're real, and I think that's
what that's really the appeal to Fox in general. There
are most of the hosts there are just themselves, and
(30:40):
that's what I think people want. When I go there,
everyone is so awesome. You go into the green rooms,
everybody is just so normal. There's No, there's no personalities
that are big and think they're better than anyone else.
I mean, I haven't run into those people yet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Maybe you have, well, except when they run past you
and ignore you on their way to go to it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Right outside of Todd.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But you're thinking about Carly, you know, Look, I think
you raise a really interesting and important point. It's got
to be really tough for her, and it's going to
be really tough for her when she comes back because
she is not going to be there for those nighttime.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Feedings and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So I think you've just given me a great reminder
that as a man, as a husband who's gone through
similar stuff with his own wife, I'm gonna have to
be cognizant of that and kind of step my game
up in that area too, because I think ultimately that's
going to make for the better show, because there is
going to be a sense of like every now and
to get a little mom guilt it's not me again
(31:36):
speaking out of school. Turn like it's real, it exists,
it is a thing, and you know, I need to
step up my game to make sure that paying attention
to that and reading certain cues here and there and
kind of stepping up for the betterment of the show,
and quite frankly, because she's my sister. You know, we
have a weird sister brother relationship. If we were under
(31:58):
the same roof, that would be a really weird household
for the parents because we are two very odd people
in reality, and Carly seems normal. We're both very odd,
and so you know, I got to protect my sister,
she protects her brother, and I think it's going to
be funny to see what happens when she comes back.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I love that, and I think that really goes to
what we're seeing right now in society. That's why I
think you see so many women who are really genuinely
hurt inside when they see people raising up men and
saying they can be mothers and they can be this
because it's hard, it's different. Nobody can really understand the
(32:35):
things that you go through, that your body goes through,
that you go through that you are, the emotions that
you go through being torn away from your child like
that for even just a few hours. It is really
different than what I think anyone else can imagine. And
I just appreciate the fact that you are willing to
say that and point that out and understand that. And
(32:56):
I think that that's it's a time when it's a
good place. It's a good time to celebrate what women
actually do. And how amazing there and Carly is. I mean,
she is awesome and she's stunning. And here's a mom
who can be stunning and sexy and still sensitive and
she's out there every day talking to us and we're
excited to have her back. Is it next two weeks
(33:18):
from now that she comes out?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I actually don't know if I'm allowed to announce. I
don't know if that's been public. Like I know the
date and I can tell you off camera, but I
don't know if I.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Oh, I thought, but that I thought I heard her
talk about it when she came on to celebrate the
to celebrate the other pregnancy on your show.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Did she say when Ashley announced?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think that she did. I think, But maybe I'm wrong. Anyway,
we won't talk about it. We'll just be excited when
she does come back. And before you go, I will
just tell you that when you were interning, I was
also interning in New York. How weird is this? It
was ninety nine, two thousand, I was turning at the
Rosy O'donald show.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Whoa oh oh.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I have so many questions about stories I have heard,
but again.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
This is another show. We will talk about that another time.
And then I went to Oxygen. Oxygen was just starting up.
It was in the Chelsea Markets and I started a
show there. But I was just like a you know,
an intern and but it was I mean, how funny
we were there at the same time. So anyway, thank
you so much for coming on today. It was a
great conversation. It is always and I'm so glad that
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people got to actually get to know you because, like
you said, you are who you are on the show.
But I think that it just makes people go, oh,
I really do know him in the morning, and that's
exciting for me.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
For better or for worse.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But you can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
This is what you get.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate having you on,
like Wes, thanks for having me, yes, and thank you
all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast for
this episode and others. As always, go to Tutor dixonpodcast
dot com. You can subscribe right there and make sure
you join us the next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Have an awesome day,
Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the
Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck
Sexton podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm
Tutor Dixon, and I'm so glad you're here with me
today because I get to turn the tables on one
of my favorite people today. I have Todd Pyro with
me and you are probably familiar with this guy because
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he's at the anchor desk every morning on Fox News.
He's on Fox and Friends first, and we actually met
in the green room there where he ran past me
and I thought, is that Todd? But then I thought,
maybe Todd doesn't actually like me or want to say
hello to me. But it's just that he has such
a stressful morning job where he wakes up so early
(00:45):
that he ran past it. And then he came back
and said hello. And so now I get to interview
him today, which is really turning the tables, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Todd totally false news. I ran Passion because I greatly
dislike you. I actually was in charge of Gretchen Whitmer's.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Campaign No, and he's secretly funny, really funny.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And you know, look it was one of those days.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Everybody says, Todd, you're frenetic, you twitch a lot, You're
always running around with so much energy. That is true,
especially during the first half of the day. And so
you caught me. I was running around like a lunatic,
and I was like, oh, man, kind of felt like
I should have said hi to Tudor. So I doubled back.
And I'm glad I did because we've had you on
the show a bunch more after that, and now I'm
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on your show. The flip side of that is, and
I don't want to like again, we are turning the tables,
this is your show, You're asking the questions. But the
flip side of that is when I get home, I
could not be a more useless human being, like and
that's tough.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
When you have two kids.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Now under you're not allowed to do it, it is tough.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So look, I'm not saying that my life is a
struggle compared to people have real struggles, like I get it.
But boy, by Friday, I am pretty tired and I'm
not the oh, full of energy Todd that I think
you see in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So my wife always shows.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
But you do this with two little kids, I mean,
I think that days, especially on the campaign trail, there
were days where I was like, oh gosh, you know,
I'm I'm getting up at five taking the kids to school,
and then my kids are much older than yours. You
are getting up in the middle of the night. I mean,
tell us a little bit about how that goes, because
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This isn't a joke like everybody I go Tod's jokie.
I literally get up at eleven thirty PM, not a joke,
like that's real. And so I do live a little
bit further away. I'm not a city guy, especially not
a New York City guy. My gut tells me if
I was single, I probably would be. But I'm not single.
So I try to get the heck out of here,
and so I live pretty far away. But that said,
(02:42):
I use that entire trip down to study and prep
for the show shows on at four. I'm prepping literally
from the moment I get in transportation, playing trains and
automobiles to get down here, and then we do the
show that we have meetings and then we do other things.
Today I did Varney, now I'm doing Yours. And days
when I stay late I try to, you know, do
the contact thing here in the great great you know,
(03:05):
New York City, because you know, that's what this business
is all about, shaking hands and kissing babies. But on
a daylight today, I'm going to get home late, and
you better believe I'm not going to get a nap today.
The moment I get home, it's okay, here are the kids.
You got to do kids stuff. And then it's you know,
the witching hour four to seven, it's bathtime.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's food than bathtime.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I may have to go outside to play because it's
somewhat nice, uh, and then.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Then bathtime you may get to get bathtime. You know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Baftime is a process like I don't remember bathtime being
as engaged as as it is currently for me and
my journey. But it's a two hour process. I think,
from start to finish.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh my gosh, see, I'm so glad that I'm past this.
But so it goes fast. You think that that's going
to last forever, and then one day that's gone and
there's a whole another journey that you're on. And a
lot of that for me is math. I hate math. Math.
Homework comes home and I'm like your dad, I don't know.
This is not my strong suit. I can't do. Last
(04:03):
night we were upbuilding boats. And that's the funny thing
about once your kids get a little older and you
have a school project, you have a school project. I'm
doing incredibly well at science, better than I did when
I was in middle school. So I'm blaming my parents.
I'm like, clearly you weren't good at science, because obviously
it's the parent that does the science project.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think you raise a key point there, Tutor, and
it's the fact that this is going away at some point,
and I can sit here and kind of make light
of the schedule and how it's taxing, but at the
end of the day that bathtime is special and it's
cute and it's adorable, and I'm going to be legitimately
sad when it goes away. Will I gain the same
sense of enjoyment from the math, like you mentioned, I
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don't know, but I must say the entire process. All
I want to do is go to sleep when I
go home. But this entire process is well worth it
because after bathtime you have reading time, and reading time
is cute because you cuddle up, you go over words,
you get asked questions that are the most hysterical questions
in the world, and my favorit. And this is the
highlight of my highlight of my day. After all that,
(05:05):
we put our first one to bed, and then I
leave the room while my wife does the singing and
all that other stuff. She then runs out and says,
one more hug, daddy, And that's the greatest thing.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh and your oldest is two and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Is that right? Two and a half?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You can't miss that half.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's the best. I love it. I love every minute
of it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So you're really in the throes of a little so
I will tell you I made a well. My husband
says that I made a parenting mistake because I snuggled
them to sleep every night, every night. And I have
four kids, so I still my twins are nine, and
they still want me to lay in bed with them
while they fall asleep. And he's like, you've created this
(05:46):
monstrous bedtime situation. So bedtime is long for me. But
now my older ones just run off, and I'm like, see,
I knew one day it would be over, and I
just want to be as close to them as I
can while they're a little and love every minute this
and it does it just and when it goes away,
you're not expecting it. It's just overnight, it's gone. That's
this is so depressing, but it really is. But they
(06:07):
grow up and they become different and cool and exciting
and they run track.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And that's your husband and my wife must have attended
the same parenting class because I am verboten from doing
the cuddling up in bed and going to sleep at
the same time. I suggested if things are going bad,
like let the older one cuddle with me, it'll be fine,
and she says, no, I guess I'm a cuddler tutor
Dixon's account who knew that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I'm going to introduce you now on.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Instead of former Michigan goubernatorial can I'm gonna say, noted
cuddler tutor Dixon joins us on the program and you
can do the same to me.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I think that's gonna go bad for both of us
if that's what you say, because.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Worn one day, there's gonna be a lot of questions there.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But that's true with kids, absolutely, one hundred percent. And
I think that's important. I think it's important to know
that you're safe. And my parents were like that, and
I just I don't know, maybe maybe that maybe that's
not a good sign if my parents were like that,
because the Yeah, but I love that when I come
to New York you're always talking to me about what's
going on because I am just past those stages. So
(07:07):
as you talk about this, it is very interesting. But
you talked to me the last time. You were talking
about for the first time ever, having to say to
your two and a half year old, be careful when
you pick up something from the ground, don't put it
in your mouth. Because of what we're seeing with fentanyl
and pills and everything. We saw that story not too
long ago about the vacation by owner and those people
(07:29):
that went and stayed there and they ended up having
the people before them left drugs and the little eighteen
month old died from picking something up. I mean, parenting
is different today than it used to be.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's scary percent right on that look.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
When we were growing up, it was you have to
watch the needles in your Halloween candy, right, and you
always showed your parents your Halloween candy. They vetted it,
made sure it was okay. But what we're talking about
now is not a needle it's literally a poison that
just breathing it could kill you. So touching the pill,
if you're a tiny little child in the pill is
(08:03):
potent enough could kill you. And so yeah, I had
to have that uncomfortable conversation. You have to review it
over and over again, and basically it's repetition like, Hey,
if you see this on the ground, do you eat it?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Do you touch it? Do you tell an adult?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And we give these like multiple choice things, try to
encourage her to be like, go tell an adult, and
we go through the list of adults that she can tell,
to try to make it a little bit of a game,
because she's at the stage where I don't think she
can understand the ramifications of it. A couple of years ago,
if I would have told you there's a pill that
if it's on the ground and you touch it, it could
kill you, would you have understood the ramifications. That's why
(08:38):
I think this fentanyl is such a sea change for
all of us, And it's an uncomfortable conversation. But I'd
rather have the conversation now than have the consequences that
are horrific that I don't even want to think about.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I know, I think that there's so many things to
be afraid of. My girls saw a penny the other
day on the ground. I'm like, don't pick it up
because even like you said, just that touching. So you
noted that you live outside of the city. Obviously all
of us are watching New York City and saying, what
is going on there? Many years ago? When I graduated
from college many years ago, I lived in New York
(09:10):
City for a year and I took the subway every day,
multiple times day. Never thought about it. I mean I
went all over the city every single day and never
thought twice about whether or not I was safe. But
that has completely changed. We're seeing crime on the subways,
but now we're seeing all these migrants. You have the
mayor Eric Adams saying he doesn't want these people coming
(09:33):
there anymore, like they need to go to other places.
He's calling out. Joe Biden, what does it feel like
for you as you've watched the change over time.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's sad because I grew up twenty five minutes away
from here. When I was growing up in the eighties,
this place was bad. We did not come in the city.
I wrote an essay in fourth grade that said the
two places I'm the most scared to go to are
day Rout, Lebanon and New York City because obviously, at
(10:03):
around that time I was nineteen eighty six, Bay Root, Lebanon.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
In the news a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But the fact that I had made that connection that
this place was like a third world country and was
as violent as a third world country showed the fear
that I had. And then the nineties happened, and I
would come into the city, I would in turn, I
would hang out, I would do all the things, and
it was an amazing and vibrant place. Even when I
started at Fox in twenty seventeen, I remember going to
a Yankee game the day that I signed my Fox
(10:28):
contract and thinking, Wow, this is my dream come true
to work in the city that I grew up and
this is so amazing. And now tutor the moment that
I'm done, unless I have something I need to stick
around for, I get out. I do not bring my
wife or my children into the city. And that's sad
think about that. I'm so nervous that if something went down,
(10:50):
I would have to protect them, and I wouldn't have
enough resources to do it, just because you know, I'm
five ten three quarters. I'm not built like you know
Pete hegseth over here, right, And so why bring that
risk on? Like, I take care of myself. I get
in and I get out, and I'm ready to deal
with the ramifications of that. But I wouldn't want to
(11:13):
bring that upon them. Will that change?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And as to the migrant aspect of it, look, am
I worried that the mother with two children who's being
you know, sent up here from Texas is going to
mug me? Absolutely not. You know, that's not the concern.
The concern when it comes to the migrant aspect of
it is the single mails and you know they are
not acting all like boy scouts, and that is an issue.
(11:36):
And one of the hotels, the Roosevelt Hotel, where a
number of these migrants are going to be staying. I
walk past that every day to go to the train station,
and I will admit, last couple of days, I don't
even know if it's happened yet, but just mentally I
kind of like bear it up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I made sure my.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Backpack was on a little extra tight just in case, Hey,
if something goes down, I got to be ready to
go and that's it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When you think even the mom
and the child that are coming, how are they taken
care of and what is it like for them? Because
you're putting somebody in a situation where they don't have
a job. You have so many people converging in one
(12:17):
place that don't have a job. She's protecting her child,
but does she have to get a job and leave
the child? And then where does the child go? Are
they in the hotel? Who stays with them? You know,
there's so many factors here that I think people are
being remiss in refusing to talk about the human factor,
taking care of people factor, whether or not this is
loving and caring. All the people that say, oh, this
(12:39):
is loving and caring, they don't care once they're gone.
They're not figuring out how to get these people so
that they are actually legal, so they can actually hold
a job, so they're not in hiding. Because once you
come in and you're given a court date three years
from now and you're not actually a legal citizen, you
don't have the rights that other people have. You are hiding.
(12:59):
You are in a situation where people don't want to
hire you. They're not jumping to hire people that they're
going to get in trouble for hiring. I mean, it's
a mess all the way.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Glad you mentioned the children, because children in the shadows,
which is what you just said, which is what is
ultimately happening. That is a recipe for disaster that leads
to child sex abuse, child sex exploitation, child trafficking.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Just as a.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Parent, no one would want that on any child. And
when you think about that is ultimately happening, There's been
documented evidence. We have kids, tens of thousands of children
that have we haven't kept track of them because we
haven't kept track of their parents. Think about that, Think
about what these kids could be living.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Through right now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And as a parent, it makes you cry, and as
a parent, you wonder how anybody could do that to
a child. But there's also the reality of the way
the Biden administration has run the immigration system or open
border system, i should say, is facilitating harm to those children.
And to me, that's the worst aspect of all of this.
(14:01):
You know, if I have to sort of, you know,
buckle up when I go by the Roosevelt hotel. Okay,
that's one thing. The fact that a five year old
child is going to be exploited is unconscionable that any
US policy would facilitate.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
That, right, and I think that's where we well. I
ran for office, obviously, so I can speak from the
Republican or conservative side of running for office. I think
that we're we're good at complaining about it, but we're
not really showing the whole story, and we're not finding
people where they are and explaining how truly dangerous this is.
(14:37):
Because everybody talks about we have this open border, but
we actually have a border that is controlled by a
criminal organization. The cartels completely control our border. We have
no control over them, We have no control over what
they're doing, and they are putting kids. They have these
wristbands on people so they know what they owe them,
and then they control them for many, sometimes many years
(14:59):
in and sometimes for life. Those people owe the cartels,
and they're in the United States constantly afraid. How is
that a good way to live? How do any liberal
people hear that and not say, oh, actually, that's really
a bad idea. We would never want somebody to be
whether it is a sex trade or even if it's
(15:20):
just being in a permanent situation where you have to
look over your shoulder all the time because you are
beholden to a criminal organization. How can we get this
across to people that this is not right.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't blame the migrants themselves, because to your point,
I don't think they know ultimately what they're getting themselves
into when they decide to make the trip here. The left,
they know exactly what they're doing, and they continue to
do it anyway despite these horrific consequences that attach. And
you know you mentioned Republicans. Republicans do a great job
(15:52):
of complaining. Republicans do a horrible job at actually operationalizing solutions.
And let's be honest. I please, I mean no offense
to you on this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm not no, I'm totally with you on this because
I want I.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Think people need to hear that your election I'm talking
about in the aggregate, the Republican machine. They love to
complain about elections. They don't realize these are the rules.
It's time to play by the rules and learn to
master the rules.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
As a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Because I'm a lawyer by trade, I didn't sit there
and say I hate these laws, so I'm just going
to fold my hands and not fullup. No, you figure
out a way to work around the laws and operate
within the construct of the laws. We're talking like early voting,
absentee voting, all that other stuff. Stop complaining about it.
Figure it out for twenty twenty four, and then maybe
if you get into office and you win some of
these elections, you can actually operationalize some actual solutions to
(16:44):
help our country and quite frankly, to help these migrants.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Having gone through an election myself and seeing what we did,
I have a pretty good idea of what we are
not doing. And I can look at the Democrats and
I can see that they're reaching people exactly where they are.
They're going into their cell phones, they're getting messaged. The
message they want to hear is going directly to that person.
So you and I both know that there are people
(17:08):
that watch the news every day. I mean, I truly
do wake up with you every single day, and that's
the first thing I do when I get out of
the shower as I watch you, Brian Kilme tells me
to get dressed. It's always it's like groundhog Day. Every
morning is the same but there are a lot of
people who are not watching the news. There are a
lot of people who are not tuning, and they actually
want to tune out. And so when people say how
(17:29):
is the Republican messaging not getting through? I think you
think that the majority of the country is listening to
the news, when I would say more often than not,
they're tuned out because it's so negative. So that message
is not getting to them unless you go directly to them.
Unless you're getting into their phones and they're getting messages
from you, or they're getting ads from you. You're mailing
(17:50):
to their house, you're going out there and talking to
them at their doors, and those are things Republicans are
absolutely not doing. But the Democrats find you, they give
you their message. They are meeting you where you are.
They're not saying we're having a rally, come and see us.
They're going directly to the people. Republicans are not getting this.
I see just this last election, the Jacksonville mayor becomes
(18:12):
a Democrat and everybody goes, oh, my goodness, how could
this happen. We've got to employ the people that were
on the ground, they are working, and I'm like, they
didn't get the job done. Still we're a little bit off.
We're not getting what it takes. We're not reaching the people.
Why is this so hard for Republicans to understand? And
I say this from a place of knowing because I
lived it and I saw it, and I was told
(18:33):
this is going to be winning. And when I step out,
I look back and I go, I see why I
didn't win. I see why Republicans aren't winning. But Republicans
keep saying it's unfair. We don't seem to be getting
the message of what we need to do.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That Jacksonville result very concerning if you're the Republicans, because
we've had a number of people come on and basically
have the discussion that we're having. Like Republicans, we figured
it out, like we know we need to go to
the voters.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
We're going to do it. Oh and it's great. Did
they not do it?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So you see what happened in twenty twenty two, you
had some time to figure that out. You look what
happened on Tuesday. You didn't figure it out. And so
what's going to happen in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You have some time.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Admittedly you have some gubernatorial races in twenty twenty three,
but obviously all eyes are on twenty twenty four. You've
promised that you're going to change your ways. The proof
hasn't been in the pudding so far.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You better figure it out. And I love the fact that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You mentioned the news viewership because where Fox, everybody watches us,
at least that's what we.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Put out there.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
But when you look at the actual numbers, like even
our highest primetime number is only one one hundredth of
the entire nation, right, think about that. And I was
just at a National Police Week with a bunch of
police officers, and yeah, there were the few that I
love you watching you every morning, but there were a
whole heck of a lot of people that are definitely
pro cop. If you're at National Police Week and you
(19:56):
are yourself a police officer, and they were like, I
don't know you, who are you? And I don't take
offense to that. That just shows that they're they're not
watching the content of us, and they even say, I go,
I don't watch the news. Well, to your point, you
got to hit those people because they're not being educated
on a number of issues by you, And so that's
an opportunity for the Democrats who are really good at elections.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I had this moment. I went to DC with my
daughter's eighth grade a couple of weeks ago, so it
talked to eight yes.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So I had this moment where I came down in
the morning in the hotel and the kids are all
getting ready and the parents are about to have their meeting,
and I am watching the TV because I'm waiting to see,
you know, what the morning news is. I like made
a conscious effort to look around, and I thought, not
one of these parents even cares. That's they don't. It's
(20:46):
not their mindset, you know. They don't think about what's
going on in the world a minute they wake up
and that has to be somewhat free. And you know,
but when it's your career, when it's what you do
every day, it's almost like you wake up and you're like,
I have to know what is happening in the world.
And I remember during the day I got some breaking
news I can't remember it was, and it was pretty shocking.
(21:07):
I said, oh, you know, this is happening, and they
were like, oh, how do you even know that? And
it struck me so many people live outside of this
bubble of news and really feel great about not having
to live it. And so they know nothing about you
or me, or people running or they probably don't even
(21:27):
know in many cases the congressmen in their state. They
may know their own, but they probably don't know the
other ones. And so when you talk about what's happening
in government and what Republicans are putting out there, these
people are not hearing it. And I think you're making
a really good point. Republicans still think they're doing it.
They came out and they talked to you, and they said,
(21:49):
now we're going to talk to the people. But I've
talked to folks in Jacksonville and said what happened? And again,
I can tell you that the tools that the Democrats
are using to meet people, the technology, the micro targeting,
the AI that they are using to get into the
minds and hearts of people and manipulate them into going
(22:10):
out and voting, but also just the constant contact of
going to their door and getting them out there. We
are not doing that. And that is not something that
happens from one person or from one organization. It doesn't
come from just the RNC, because it certainly doesn't come
from the DNC. It is a massive amount of organizations
that work together across the country. How did we get
(22:31):
this far behind?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
From what I've been told? And again, you would know
this way better than me. It seems like the consultant
class is very good at taking the money and not
on the Republican side, I should say, taking the money
and not putting forth the solutions that lead to victory.
Is that an accurate assessment?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, absolutely, because if you're a consultant and you lose,
you still win. Because see, in the world of elections,
the data is the value you Right, So if you
lose your election, but you've run the election in that area,
then you can go to the next candidate and say,
let me run your election because I own all of
(23:11):
the information here. And the value of a race is
the information. Having that in your back pocket so you
can email people, so you can call people. It's all
right there. And so the consultant will actually make more
money because they will say, you know, I can I
can lend this to you, I can, I can make
money from this. And I mean, we had a consultant
(23:31):
in Michigan. I talked to a guy who is running
a data organization and he said in twenty sixteen, I
paid sixty million dollars for the data in Michigan. Sixty
million dollars. Does that blow your mind?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You can understand why in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen,
the establishment, the entire establishment, Republicans, Democrats did not like
Trump because he kind of did all this on his own.
You know, I'm sure you have some data. I'm not saying,
you know, completely on his own. But he was an outsider,
and he approached the election as an outsider. And look
what happened when he kind of went a little bit
(24:06):
more of the system. He lost right when he used
the data, when he had that whole intense data operation.
Now look, I'm not saying I'm anti data. I'm agreeing
one hundred percent with your point. The system doesn't necessarily
care about winning and losing. The system cares about self
propagating itself.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think we have to have
that balance always of Republicans and Democrats, and it scares
me that Republicans are not on that same playing field
because if we end up as one party, we are
(24:43):
just a mess. And that's always been the great balancer
in the United States. But man, weird things are happening,
Strange things are going on. It's just a different world,
and to me, it is very scary if we don't
get on top of that and figure it out. But
it is, I guess, a part of the process, and
we're learning along the way, and it's good that we
(25:05):
have people like you out there talking about this stuff.
But I want to get to something because you mentioned
that your an attorney. So this is very interesting to
me because I didn't know that about you until I
started stalking you so I could do this podcast and
not any other reason. But I did find out whoa
This is weird because generally you think of people who
(25:26):
are doing in an anchor position like you are, as
someone who has studied this their whole life, a journalist
their whole life. But how did you know you did?
You were an attorney, but it seems like you kind
of always knew this was the place you want to do.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You nail the key question. So when I was in college,
I knew I wanted to do this. My problem was
I went to college in a really small New Hampshire town.
I didn't grow up in New York City, but I
grew up pretty close and I didn't know if I
could go off to that small market in the middle
of nowhere for another two years, two three years after
having been in New Hampshire for four years. So I said,
(26:00):
combine that with the fact that my dad's a lawyer,
I'm kind of interested in the law, and the fact
that I want to have backup plans and I want
to make a little money before I trialed. Is all
this went into the decision, Hey, let me apply to
law school. So I applied, got into UCLA, said I'm
going to go to LA because LA is where you
do entertainment. Horrible connecting of ideas there, they have nothing
to do with one another. But I loved UCLA, Love
(26:23):
the experience, loved being in LA. Love the fact that
I got to watch some college football and my favorite game.
It's the hottest I've ever been in life. Ucla versus Michigan,
so UCLA won. I literally sweated out eighteen thousand bottles
of water that tech. So practice after law school, I
practiced for four and a half years out in LA.
But during the entire time that I was out there
(26:45):
doing the law, I kept up with my connections in
broadcasting because in college I interned in New York City
at WABC seven, which is the NBABC O.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And O station.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Here, I interned at Good Morning America, and I interned
at a young, upstar art news channel called the Fox
News Channel. And so yes, I was in this building
back in nineteen ninety eight and nineteen ninety nine. And
when the time came ready to make my resume tape,
which was in around two thousand and six, two thousand
and seven, I would come back to the East Coast
for your friend's weddings. That's the time of your life
(27:17):
when everybody's getting married, and I would take a few
extra days off of law the law firm, and I
would go out with reporters in these in New York
City and make my resume tape. And there eventually got
a resume tape together, and in two thousand and eight
I sent it out, got my first job in Palm Springs, California,
and the rest is history. But to answer your question, yes,
I've always wanted to do this. I am not broadcast trained.
(27:40):
I think that's completely evident when you watch Fox and
Friends first from four to six AM, Eastern Time. But
I think I bring something different to the table, and
you know that's what I love about Fox.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I am me. You've met me, for better or for worse.
This is how I am on air, off air in life.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
The only time I'm not like this is when I
reached that like I'm about to die, not tired, and
then I become no fun whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I am real. This is me, for better or for worse.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And I think that translates to TV. And I think
that's what the Fox audience likes. Whether that would translate
it into one place, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
No, I think that is. It's funny because somebody said
to me once, TV is different. News is different than
what it used to be. It used to be that
you wanted to see your news anchor and they were
very serious and you believed that they understood the news
and they were getting it across to you. And over
years it's shifted and now people want to see someone
(28:31):
that they think that they could go out and have
lunch with. And I think that does come across with
you and whoever you're co hosting with. That's not a journey.
Right at the moment, I'm supposed to say You're right,
it's true because I don't know what's happening with you,
but you send ten to send people away.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Say for the stat from October twenty twenty one to
the present, one of the top two women in my
day in and day out life. I mean, I love
my mother, but I don't see her every day people
I see every day or my wife and my co anchor.
One of those two individuals has been pregnant since October
of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Think about that for a moment. Think about that. I'm
not well.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I'm glad I don't spend that much time around you
because I'm definitely done with that. I don't want whatever
that weird.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Ses enough oh Joe is to Yeah, enough for sure,
But no, I think it's a I think you are
so real with the women too.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I think that's the coolest part. And probably you know
you're going through that too. You have a little one
and you have a toddler, and that's neat that you
can share that with the people on that are on
TV with you. I can't imagine what it's like to
be mom and have to get up at the time
that you get up. I mean, no offense we're.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Going to see.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Really, I don't want to talk out of school here
with my private conversations with the lovely and talented Carly Shimkiss,
but I will say there's been a little bit of
like she's like, heck, am I going to do this?
And there's some truth to tarn.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think that's as a I think that people don't
realize that moms. A lot of women have to work
now and it is really tough to step away. I
can't imagine stepping away at that critical night time when
you have feedings and all of that and they're waking
up and it's hard. You're just you are exhausted all
the time. I give them credit for being able to
(30:19):
do it, even when you're pregnant. You're like that. So
then after having the baby, I can't imagine. But you
guys are champs. I love watching you every morning. I
love the fact that you're real, and I think that's
what that's really the appeal to Fox in general. There
are most of the hosts there are just themselves, and
(30:40):
that's what I think people want. When I go there,
everyone is so awesome. You go into the green rooms,
everybody is just so normal. There's No, there's no personalities
that are big and think they're better than anyone else.
I mean, I haven't run into those people yet.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Maybe you have, well, except when they run past you
and ignore you on their way to go to it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Right outside of Todd.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But you're thinking about Carly, you know, Look, I think
you raise a really interesting and important point. It's got
to be really tough for her, and it's going to
be really tough for her when she comes back because
she is not going to be there for those nighttime.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Feedings and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So I think you've just given me a great reminder
that as a man, as a husband who's gone through
similar stuff with his own wife, I'm gonna have to
be cognizant of that and kind of step my game
up in that area too, because I think ultimately that's
going to make for the better show, because there is
going to be a sense of like every now and
to get a little mom guilt it's not me again
(31:36):
speaking out of school. Turn like it's real, it exists,
it is a thing, and you know, I need to
step up my game to make sure that paying attention
to that and reading certain cues here and there and
kind of stepping up for the betterment of the show,
and quite frankly, because she's my sister. You know, we
have a weird sister brother relationship. If we were under
(31:58):
the same roof, that would be a really weird household
for the parents because we are two very odd people
in reality, and Carly seems normal. We're both very odd,
and so you know, I got to protect my sister,
she protects her brother, and I think it's going to
be funny to see what happens when she comes back.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I love that, and I think that really goes to
what we're seeing right now in society. That's why I
think you see so many women who are really genuinely
hurt inside when they see people raising up men and
saying they can be mothers and they can be this
because it's hard, it's different. Nobody can really understand the
(32:35):
things that you go through, that your body goes through,
that you go through that you are, the emotions that
you go through being torn away from your child like
that for even just a few hours. It is really
different than what I think anyone else can imagine. And
I just appreciate the fact that you are willing to
say that and point that out and understand that. And
(32:56):
I think that that's it's a time when it's a
good place. It's a good time to celebrate what women
actually do. And how amazing there and Carly is. I mean,
she is awesome and she's stunning. And here's a mom
who can be stunning and sexy and still sensitive and
she's out there every day talking to us and we're
excited to have her back. Is it next two weeks
(33:18):
from now that she comes out?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I actually don't know if I'm allowed to announce. I
don't know if that's been public. Like I know the
date and I can tell you off camera, but I
don't know if I.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Oh, I thought, but that I thought I heard her
talk about it when she came on to celebrate the
to celebrate the other pregnancy on your show.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Did she say when Ashley announced?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think that she did. I think, But maybe I'm wrong. Anyway,
we won't talk about it. We'll just be excited when
she does come back. And before you go, I will
just tell you that when you were interning, I was
also interning in New York. How weird is this? It
was ninety nine, two thousand, I was turning at the
Rosy O'donald show.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Whoa oh oh.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I have so many questions about stories I have heard,
but again.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
This is another show. We will talk about that another time.
And then I went to Oxygen. Oxygen was just starting up.
It was in the Chelsea Markets and I started a
show there. But I was just like a you know,
an intern and but it was I mean, how funny
we were there at the same time. So anyway, thank
you so much for coming on today. It was a
great conversation. It is always and I'm so glad that
(34:28):
people got to actually get to know you because, like
you said, you are who you are on the show.
But I think that it just makes people go, oh,
I really do know him in the morning, and that's
exciting for me.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
For better or for worse.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But you can't do it.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
This is what you get.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate having you on,
like Wes, thanks for having me, yes, and thank you
all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast for
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