July 3, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode, Tudor and Kyle Olson delve into the complexities of government corruption in Michigan, focusing on the investigation of Governor Gretchen Whitmer. They discuss the implications of taxpayer money being allocated to companies with questionable practices and the political dynamics at play. The conversation also touches on broader themes of political ideologies within the Democratic Party and concludes with reflections on Independence Day and the importance of defending democracy. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm here with Kyle
Olsen today and we are going to talk government corruption.
And the reason I want to talk about government corruption
is Kyle does a lot here in the state of Michigan.
He has been following this story that I think everybody
will find fascinating. It's about Gretchen Wimer. She is obviously
one of the top contenders for president in twenty twenty eight,
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but she is being targeted by another Democrat in the state,
and I guess I don't know if targeting is the
right word. I'm just surprised that the attorney general in
the state of Michigan, who is a hardcore dem is
investigating what she did. But it's pretty serious what she's
found out, which I think is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah. So the big question is should government be using
taxpayer dollars, whether it's Michigan or anywhere else, using taxpayer
dollars to give to companies to quote unquote create jobs.
And a number of states have and doing this for actually,
you know, a pretty long time. And so what we
(01:04):
have been doing at the Midwesterner is really looking at, well,
what is Gretchen Whitmer. The Governor of Michigan actually doing
what companies is she giving these dollars to, what sort
of jobs are actually being created and all of that
sort of thing. And this really I think it's it's
exemplified in this story that's come out. Well really it
(01:25):
came out a few months ago, but it's really sort
of coming to a head now where the MEDC, which
is the Michigan Economic Development Corporation, which is the entity
that you know, gets the taxpayer dollars and then decides
and then they're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Give you money to people who are either bringing a
company here or I mean, you guys have heard us
talk about goshen On here before. All of these companies
that get lured into the state of Michigan, I will say,
I want to stop you because you said, a lot
of states do it, states do it effectively. Michigan has
not had any of these contracts become effective. I mean
(02:05):
we had over the last six years of these agreements.
I think they were supposed to create sixty thousand jobs.
That was what was promised, and it ended up being
fifteen thousand jobs. That I think they're like really pushing
it at coming up with sixteen thousand or fifteen thousand.
But the interesting thing about this one is this woman
(02:26):
is creating a company that's going to be an incubator
company that's going to create multiple different companies. But the news,
it was really the Detroit News that first reported on it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, So the story is a woman named Fae Bee
Done who is a Democrat donor, major donor, and is
on the MEDC executive board. She got a twenty million
dollar grant in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So she's deciding who gets the grant, right, and she got.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The grand This is the this is the corruption of
the whole situation. So she gets a twenty million dollar
grant to a business. You know, she's supposed to be
out helping businesses start and all of that. But the
thing is, she got the twenty million dollar grant committed
you know, in the state budget, and then she opened
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the company. So the company was not even the thing
until she got the money. So she gets the money.
It's twenty million dollars total. She receives ten million dollars
of it. She spent about forty five hundred dollars on
a coffee machine, which a lot of people are you know,
have been really sort of freaking out about she spent
you know, tens of thousands of dollars on plane tickets,
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a lot of things that you just would sort of say,
why do you need that office equipment and office furniture?
Why do you need that in order for other companies
to create jobs. So then what happens is there's questions
are being asked about where did the rest of the
money go. There was a there was a bill that
was introduced at the end of twenty twenty four to
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try and claw back some of the ten million dollars,
but of course, you know, the legislature's not going to
pass that, so that didn't actually pass. The governor doesn't
really want to do anything, doesn't want to try and
get those dollars back because then I think she then
has to admit that, you know, this whole thing is
a failure. Dana Nessel, the Democrat Attorney General who was
(04:27):
elected in twenty eighteen the same time Gretchen Whitmer was
attempts she launches an investigation into fee Bee Dune in
this company and this where did the money go?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Which I just want to say, I feel like in
the past, this would not have happened with Dana Nessel,
because there was this weird they called it like the trifecta.
They were all protecting each other. It was Gretchen Whitmer,
Jocelyn Benson, Dana and nessl the three Attorney General, Secretary
of State, Governor. They were all protecting each other. Now,
in February, there was a State of the State address
(05:01):
from Gretchen Whitmer, and I was able to attend, and
I was right up front, so I got to see
this strange dynamic happening. And remember at that point, Gretchen
Whitmer is kind of flirting with the idea of speaking
to Donald Trump. She hasn't, she hasn't at this point
in February been in the Oval office yet with the
famous folder in front of her face moment. But she
(05:22):
has said that she would talk to him, she would
negotiate with him. There were some messages coming out from
the Attorney General's ex page saying like, we don't negotiate
with people like this, and really it was it was veiled,
but it was a tax against Gretchen Witmer. But that
night that I'm in the State of the State address,
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I'm noticing the Democrats are clapping for Gretchen Witmer, and
they're all standing when she says something that they like.
But Dana Nessil never claps. Dana Nessil never stands. She
sits there with her lips pursed like she is unhappy.
And in that moment, people, even in the room, people
started kind of like muttering, hmm, is there a little
bit of a fight here? But this is now, I mean,
(06:05):
this could be a legal problem for Gretchen Wimer.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right. So the history of Gretchen Whitmer is that she
her goal, she has said publicly her goal was to
work for the Michigan state football team. That's what she
wanted to do. I don't know what tough When she
was young, yes, and her father said, her father, who
was involved in Michigan politics, said no, you should go
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into government. So she was elected state representative, then state senator.
Then she was appointed the Ingham County which is where
Lansing is, Ingham County prosecutor, and then she resigned and
then ran for governor. And it was sort of this
My point here is that it was sort of a progression,
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a natural sort of political progression, and so the next
logical thing for her to do was to run for governor.
And she's not. I mean, she's partisan, but she's not.
She's not an ideologue. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I think she's whatever. Whichever way the wind blows, whichever
way the money blows, that's where Gretchen Wimer goes. Did
Dana Nessel she is a true part I mean, she
is an activist. She's always wanted to be an activist.
I think she the closest she's come to being interested
in football was the day she got drunk and got
wheeled out of football, right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
She didn't even watch it, right, And so yes, you're right,
Dana Nessel is a very different kind of person. She
is an ideologue, she's an activist. She has weaponized the
Attorney General's office against Trump electors and Republican fundraisers and
all of that.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But kind of the beauty of this is she also
indicted Rick Snyder. Really, Gretchen Whitmer's kind of you know,
Gretchen Whimer wanted that to happen. So now this could
really backfire because she taught the attorney general, you can
indict the governor, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And she indicted Rick Snyder, the former governor, right after.
If you go back and you look at the chronology
of all of this. When Joe Biden was declared the
winner of the twenty twenty election, Rick Snyder and who
was one of the Republicans for Biden, don't forget, Don't forget,
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and Gretchen Whitmer put out a joint statement basically calling
for this is a time for healing and basically, you know,
we're getting rid of Trump. And so what does Gretchen
Whitmer and Dana Nessel do. They turn around and they
indict Rick Snyder. So but but so Jocelyn, Dana Nessel
(08:40):
is just she's a very different person. You know. Uh,
Gretchen Whitmer is she's a partier and that you know,
she went to Michigan State and that that was sort
of her thing. Where Danton Nessel's a she's out. I
think Dana Nestl's out for blood, Republican blood. And and
so then Trump gets real ect. Whitmer is addicted to
(09:02):
federal money. She wants to cozy up to Trump to
try and get federal money for the projects that she wants.
But then you've got Dana Nessel who is out for
blood and.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
She cannot even stand a conversation with him. But having
that moment, I think that she probably threw open her
mouth and her that hair on her chest curl. The
day that she saw Gretchen wentmer go snuggle Donald Trump
on the tarmac, I mean, I think she probably lost
and that was like a moment where she's on the
(09:34):
war path now because I think that's maybe I'm wrong,
but it appears that that's how she operates because she
is a true believer in crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yes, she's she's filed or has has joined multiple lawsuits
against the Trump administration. She's you know, used a lot
of the you know, fascist rhetoric and get a.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Certainly one where she joined one just like today about
making sure illegal immigrants have healthcare.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I have Medicaid. Yes, they still have access to Medicaid.
So and and the Midwesterner has a story about that.
You can find it at the Midwesterner dot news. But
so they are very different people. And so the reason
all of this matters is because their Dana Nessel has
launched an investigation into you know, this misused potential misuse
(10:30):
of public money. So she launches the investigation. She tries
to get the med CDC to work with her provide documents,
you know, all of that sort of thing. Apparently they
weren't doing that. So it got so crazy that when
Gretchen Whitmer, the other thing that she's been doing is
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she's not going to Michigan. She's not going to Ohio
or Illinois or Indiana or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania. She's not
going to neighboring states to try and recruit businesses. She's
going to the Middle East. She's going to Europe. And
so she was on a trip to Australia with the
(11:12):
president of the m d C, so they're literally on
the other side of the world, and Dana Nessel raids
the me DC, raids it and with a with you know,
a warrant for documents, and apparently, according to reporting, she
(11:34):
specifically wanted the cell phone of Quentin Messer, who is
the president of the me DC, who was in Australia
with the governor. And then additional reporting showed that the
governor's staff now is being represented by criminal attorneys and
(11:59):
they apparently we're doing some sort of coordination or discussion
with fee Bee Don while this investigation was going on.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And so it's the governor's office, the Governor's coordinating with
the woman who is being investigated for getting state taxpayer
money and then potentially misusing that money.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And people in the in the Whitmer inner circle. I
mean there's these are not you know, low level staffers
that are sort of you know, going rogue. These are
people in the inner in the inner circle of the governor.
So this is now all unfolding. The MEDC is trying
to block the you know, the use of the of
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the materials that were obtained after the raid. And but
the big picture, you know, is is this how government
should be operating? Should government be giving twenty million dollars
of our hard earned money to a company that didn't
exist when they gave the money? Is this meant? Mike,
(13:02):
we don't follow where it goes.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Remember when Stacy Abrams got the
money from Joe Biden, what was it two billion dollars? Sarah,
I think it was two billion dollars that she got.
And this was before she ever had an organization too.
They had ever only ever brought in like one hundred
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and fifty dollars, and this was to a nonprofit that
she gets two billion dollars and they say she has
to spend it in thirty days. This and this happens.
We don't even find this out until Trump is in office.
But this is the normal procedure for Democrats, folks. They
are taking your money. You when you saw all of
the doze stuff with USAID and you heard about the NGOs.
(13:47):
This is how this stuff works. And I'm glad that
this is being exposed with Gretchen Whitmer because I do
think she would move on and she would take that.
So you've got Gretchen Whitmer on one hand, who is
this big contender for twenty eight who is taking this money?
And I just also want to note she's gone to Spain,
she's gone to Japan, she's gone to Australia. Where else
(14:09):
did she go?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
The UK and Ireland?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
The UK and Ireland, and she has not brought back
a Licka business. That's the guys that she goes under.
She pretends she's going for that reason. She's actually going
because I believe that she'll use this in her presidential run.
These are my I have foreign policy experience. I've dealt
with all these people, I've met with all these leaders
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over there, and suddenly we will see videos of her
with leaders and her over with these business leaders as well,
but she's never done any good over there. For the
state of Michigan, you've got that going on. On one hand,
you still have this situation in New York. So I
would say that Dana Nessel in Michigan aligns more with
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the socialist arm of the Democrat Party. So you're going
to have that clash. And where does Gretchen Whitmer stand
on my Donnie over in New York City and what
he's doing, which is at this point he's going even
more extreme. He's just going to take all the tax
payer money, he's going to shut down the businesses. He's
going he has really the way he has spoken has
(15:14):
been full communism. But I would say, I mean, how
much different is this situation because you're taking taxpayer money,
you're giving in to a person who doesn't have a business,
and then she's going to organize what businesses can be
in business in the state of Michigan. It's not too
far off from that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well, it's yes, and there is zero accountability right not
to give Dana Nessel, you know, credit, but at least
she is at least the appearance, there's the appearance that
she's trying to bring some accountability to the situation, because
what happens is, I mean, you and I have talked
about Goshen, and there's other companies that have received tens
(15:53):
and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, and then when
it doesn't actually come to be or they get the money.
You know, the Midwesterner had a story about LG which
is a battery maker, got one hundred and eighty nine
million dollars for Michigan taxpayers to create EV to build
(16:13):
EV batteries. Now should we should Michigan taxpayers be paying
for that? I think no. But setting that aside that
when that was the deal was they were going to
build EV batteries, well then they decide, no, we're not
going to build EV batteries because nobody's buying evs, so
we're going to create different kinds of batteries. Okay, so
(16:34):
you're not living up to the terms of the agreement.
But does that mean Gretchen Whitmer is going to ask
for the one hundred and eighty nine million dollars back. No,
of course not.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And the question is how many jobs would that have
produced because we're not getting any new jobs, so we
don't ever get the money back. One hundred and eighty
how much?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
One hundred and eighty nine million, one hundred.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And eighty nine million. I mean, we're talking about massive
amounts of money. That reminds me of this situation in
New York where they're so used to taking this money
and giving it and they believe that it's all just
being handed out. Now she is Whitmer is actually handing
out money. This clown in New York thought that he
could take a tax break grocery stores are getting and
(17:19):
use that money that doesn't actually exist and create government
owned grocery stores. He has no idea how economics works.
He has a degree in African studies, that's what he
does a degree in. And this guy also created he
co founded the what is it? Students for Palestine, Yes
(17:43):
for Justice in Palestine, Students for Justice in Palestine. He
graduated from college in twenty fourteen. I think most of
us who've been watching this movement of late have felt
like this is new. This has to come in in
the last few years and then really took off off
after October seventh. These organizations have been grooming these people
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four years. I'm using your term because you're right, they
have been grooming these people for years. And I believe
that people like Dana Nessel are a part of these
activist groups. They go to these Free Palestine protests and
they're out there on the streets with these people, and
they get funded, well funded to get into office and
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change the entire economic system of this country. And I
do think that you're seeing it happen in New York
right now, because people believe if you can change the
economic system that the City of New York runs on,
which is the most powerful city in the world, I
mean outside of I guess you could say Washington, d C.
Has more power the financial power that New York City has.
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If you can change that economic system, you can take
the whole You can take down the globe in a
really messed up way.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Right. And So to me, the fundamental question of that
New York City mayor's race is can a personality who
speaks well, who you know, I guess looks good on camera.
I don't know. I'll leave that for others to decide.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, I think he's charming.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
He is, but he's engaging, and can that, and you know,
he's he's got a lot of rhetoric that I think
a lot of people who are struggling find appealing, and
so can that sort of personality who is I think
totally bankrupt on on policy And he's got policy that's
(19:38):
never been tried anywhere, certainly in America but not anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But he's also good.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Is that going to Is that going to win?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
He's got really dangerous policy. I know we just talked
about this guy, but I feel like there's more that
we're uncovering every day about who Zorn Mondami is and
what he really wants to do. We've now we're learning
that he wants to to decriminalize sex work. And I
want to talk about this because all the women out
there who voted for this guy, what do you think
(20:08):
that means? What do you think decriminalizing sex work work means?
It's not like there's some glorified lifestyle there. These are
women who we were on Clay and Buck yesterday we
had Yaco Boyan's on. He's on the program a lot.
You've heard him talk about sex trafficking. He made such
a great point when he was like, this is this
(20:28):
is legalized slavery, you would put women in the situation.
And you've made the point that he voted against a
ban on revenge porn. Explain that because there was a
band there, they were expanding it. But he was one
of only three people to vote against that.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Right, so New York State banned revenge porn in twenty nineteen.
Man Downey was not there, so obviously he wouldn't have
voted on that. But then in twenty twenty three there
was a bill to expand it and sort of, you know,
clean up the language because techologies changing and all of that,
and three members of the State Assembly voted against it,
(21:06):
and he was one of them, and it I think
it's somebody needs to ask him, why would you vote
against that?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Why do you want to decriminalize sex work? And why
do you want revenge porn to be available? Because I
asked that question because those two things, in my mind
as a woman, go together, because we know these men
who pimp women out, they use this to keep them
into control. They use this revenge porn to keep them
in control and say, you know, I'm gonna send this
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to someone so and I'm going to do this. Especially
young girls, they get them They lure them in with
promises of gifts, and we're going to keep the secret.
We won't tell your family, and then they control them.
Especially in certain cultures, you can't have your parents find
something like this out, So you control women this way.
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This guy, in my opinion, is the most dangerous person
out there for women. Yet you've got young women out there.
You got that Cynthia Nixon. My gosh, here's a woman
who is a lesbian woman who obviously I think she
even has a daughter, maybe she has a trans child.
I can't remember. But you are you are out there
(22:16):
marching in the streets with someone who is an anti woman.
There's nothing pro woman about those two stances, no.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And so it's really it's it's going to be a
time of choosing for New York City. And do you
want to do you want to hire someone who has
never run an organization before, who has very little life experience,
has not lived the lifestyle of a lot of the
people he claims to represent, and and his his I mean,
(22:47):
he's trading on theories and let's you know, let's for
some reason he wants to create. You mentioned it. These
government owned grocery stores, one per borough which I think
most people was a one for borough. What difference is
that going to make?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But it's just getting the foot in the door. That's
how you start. It's that's the that's how they trick
people in. It's just one per borough. This is a
great experiment, and everything he's doing is an experiment. It's
not an experiment in the from the standpoint that we've
never seen it. We've seen it in other countries. I mean,
socialism has killed hundreds of thousands of people. And we
(23:26):
see on CNN and they're like, he's not a communist,
he's a socialist. Now you have Democrats that are defending Oh,
this isn't communism, this is socialism. Well, who cares? Why
are you defending it at all? I mean, right now
the Democrat Party is in total chaos. You've got that,
you have the situation with Whitmer. We see today there's
this news out that Governor Walls has a guy who
(23:51):
is a convicted sex offender and he's been appointed to
a state auditing job. He is a He's not only
a sex offen, he raped a woman. He also is
a guy who overstate his visa. He was getting kicked out.
He's not technically supposed to be here, but Walls gives
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him a job. I mean, we talked about we also
yesterday we talked about the fact that we're like celebrating
that men can't be in women's sports. I look at
the fact that we are trying to give government jobs
in education, auditing education to sex offenders. You've got Whitmer
taking taxpayer money and giving it to her friends who
(24:32):
are then misusing it potentially. You've got this guy in
New York who wants to have women be sex slaves.
I mean, I can't think of anything worse than that.
And this is the Democrat Party today. These are their
options and they're defending it. And then we have Secretary
McMahon who comes out and she's like, we're going to
protect women in men's sports. And I almost feel silly
(24:54):
that we are all cheering about this, because ten years ago,
if anybody had told us any of these things that
we just talked about, we would go that is bonkers, no.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Way, right, Yeah, you're right. The idea that we're saying
that the government has to, you know, decide that that
men should not be in women's sports. The fact that
that is even a thing in shows how far we've gone.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Here you have universities that now
have to define men and women using biology. It's like,
I just can't. We're like, thank goodness, we have to
use biology. Now. Wait a minute. Remember for the last
(25:39):
five years has been science, not science. This is science.
I'm science, faucia science. What is science? They can't even
tell us what's now We're like, you must actually use science.
And the rest of the world, the common sense lovers
of the world, are like, yay, thank you for using science.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
But this shows too, I think how how the left
is winning the culture war because and they say, oh,
the you know, Republicans and Conservatives are in a culture war. Well,
when you've got men and women's sports, I mean, is
that not a culture war front? And the fact that
now the Trump administration has to be issuing these or
(26:19):
entering these agreements about how universities are going to change
shows how successful the left has been in these culture
war battles.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And that's why we have to stay That's why we
keep talking, That's why we keep doing this, That's why
we keep fighting back against this and I will say
that we are headed into an amazing holiday tomorrow. You
talked about it yesterday on claim Buck that if we
didn't have Independence Day, what would the world look like?
(26:50):
And this is the last bastion of hope. I believe
the United States, we are the place that has to
keep fighting for freedom. We have to keep fighting for
actual democracy, what we what our founding fathers fought for.
We are still here with that same attitude to keep
doing this. And we also celebrate something else on that day.
We celebrate Kyle's birthday. He is a true patriot being
(27:12):
born on Independence Day. So happy Birthday.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Absolutely. Do you have anything you want to add about
Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I'm just I'm glad it's today.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Wow. All right, that was a lot that was deep.
You were a lot deeper on Clay and Buck, I
thought you would.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well, I just I think, well, I'll repeat what I said.
I think July fourth, seventeen seventy six was one of
the most consequential days in the history of the world
because if that day didn't happen, think about how different
that We can't even envision how the world would be
a different place.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And that is why when you say when you said that,
it struck me so hard because I think that we
take what we have for granted, and we sometimes joke
when we see this socialist attitude and some of these
radical ideas come to the end States. And in the past,
I think we've had the luxury of joking about it
because we've always held it at bay. What we're seeing
(28:07):
in New York now has changed that. And this is
our own moment to defend our democracy and defend what
America is. And so tomorrow we go out and celebrate,
and we have fireworks, and we have our picnics, and
we spend time with family. But then Monday, we'll be
right back here making sure that we continue to defend
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our democracy. So thank you, thank you for joining me today,
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(28:48):
a blessed day and a very happy Independence Day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm here with Kyle
Olsen today and we are going to talk government corruption.
And the reason I want to talk about government corruption
is Kyle does a lot here in the state of Michigan.
He has been following this story that I think everybody
will find fascinating. It's about Gretchen Wimer. She is obviously
one of the top contenders for president in twenty twenty eight,
(00:24):
but she is being targeted by another Democrat in the state,
and I guess I don't know if targeting is the
right word. I'm just surprised that the attorney general in
the state of Michigan, who is a hardcore dem is
investigating what she did. But it's pretty serious what she's
found out, which I think is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah. So the big question is should government be using
taxpayer dollars, whether it's Michigan or anywhere else, using taxpayer
dollars to give to companies to quote unquote create jobs.
And a number of states have and doing this for actually,
you know, a pretty long time. And so what we
(01:04):
have been doing at the Midwesterner is really looking at, well,
what is Gretchen Whitmer. The Governor of Michigan actually doing
what companies is she giving these dollars to, what sort
of jobs are actually being created and all of that
sort of thing. And this really I think it's it's
exemplified in this story that's come out. Well really it
(01:25):
came out a few months ago, but it's really sort
of coming to a head now where the MEDC, which
is the Michigan Economic Development Corporation, which is the entity
that you know, gets the taxpayer dollars and then decides
and then they're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Give you money to people who are either bringing a
company here or I mean, you guys have heard us
talk about goshen On here before. All of these companies
that get lured into the state of Michigan, I will say,
I want to stop you because you said, a lot
of states do it, states do it effectively. Michigan has
not had any of these contracts become effective. I mean
(02:05):
we had over the last six years of these agreements.
I think they were supposed to create sixty thousand jobs.
That was what was promised, and it ended up being
fifteen thousand jobs. That I think they're like really pushing
it at coming up with sixteen thousand or fifteen thousand.
But the interesting thing about this one is this woman
(02:26):
is creating a company that's going to be an incubator
company that's going to create multiple different companies. But the news,
it was really the Detroit News that first reported on it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, So the story is a woman named Fae Bee
Done who is a Democrat donor, major donor, and is
on the MEDC executive board. She got a twenty million
dollar grant in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So she's deciding who gets the grant, right, and she got.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The grand This is the this is the corruption of
the whole situation. So she gets a twenty million dollar
grant to a business. You know, she's supposed to be
out helping businesses start and all of that. But the
thing is, she got the twenty million dollar grant committed
you know, in the state budget, and then she opened
(03:19):
the company. So the company was not even the thing
until she got the money. So she gets the money.
It's twenty million dollars total. She receives ten million dollars
of it. She spent about forty five hundred dollars on
a coffee machine, which a lot of people are you know,
have been really sort of freaking out about she spent
you know, tens of thousands of dollars on plane tickets,
(03:43):
a lot of things that you just would sort of say,
why do you need that office equipment and office furniture?
Why do you need that in order for other companies
to create jobs. So then what happens is there's questions
are being asked about where did the rest of the
money go. There was a there was a bill that
was introduced at the end of twenty twenty four to
(04:06):
try and claw back some of the ten million dollars,
but of course, you know, the legislature's not going to
pass that, so that didn't actually pass. The governor doesn't
really want to do anything, doesn't want to try and
get those dollars back because then I think she then
has to admit that, you know, this whole thing is
a failure. Dana Nessel, the Democrat Attorney General who was
(04:27):
elected in twenty eighteen the same time Gretchen Whitmer was
attempts she launches an investigation into fee Bee Dune in
this company and this where did the money go?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Which I just want to say, I feel like in
the past, this would not have happened with Dana Nessel,
because there was this weird they called it like the trifecta.
They were all protecting each other. It was Gretchen Whitmer,
Jocelyn Benson, Dana and nessl the three Attorney General, Secretary
of State, Governor. They were all protecting each other. Now,
in February, there was a State of the State address
(05:01):
from Gretchen Whitmer, and I was able to attend, and
I was right up front, so I got to see
this strange dynamic happening. And remember at that point, Gretchen
Whitmer is kind of flirting with the idea of speaking
to Donald Trump. She hasn't, she hasn't at this point
in February been in the Oval office yet with the
famous folder in front of her face moment. But she
(05:22):
has said that she would talk to him, she would
negotiate with him. There were some messages coming out from
the Attorney General's ex page saying like, we don't negotiate
with people like this, and really it was it was veiled,
but it was a tax against Gretchen Witmer. But that
night that I'm in the State of the State address,
(05:43):
I'm noticing the Democrats are clapping for Gretchen Witmer, and
they're all standing when she says something that they like.
But Dana Nessil never claps. Dana Nessil never stands. She
sits there with her lips pursed like she is unhappy.
And in that moment, people, even in the room, people
started kind of like muttering, hmm, is there a little
bit of a fight here? But this is now, I mean,
(06:05):
this could be a legal problem for Gretchen Wimer.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right. So the history of Gretchen Whitmer is that she
her goal, she has said publicly her goal was to
work for the Michigan state football team. That's what she
wanted to do. I don't know what tough When she
was young, yes, and her father said, her father, who
was involved in Michigan politics, said no, you should go
(06:29):
into government. So she was elected state representative, then state senator.
Then she was appointed the Ingham County which is where
Lansing is, Ingham County prosecutor, and then she resigned and
then ran for governor. And it was sort of this
My point here is that it was sort of a progression,
(06:51):
a natural sort of political progression, and so the next
logical thing for her to do was to run for governor.
And she's not. I mean, she's partisan, but she's not.
She's not an ideologue. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I think she's whatever. Whichever way the wind blows, whichever
way the money blows, that's where Gretchen Wimer goes. Did
Dana Nessel she is a true part I mean, she
is an activist. She's always wanted to be an activist.
I think she the closest she's come to being interested
in football was the day she got drunk and got
wheeled out of football, right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
She didn't even watch it, right, And so yes, you're right,
Dana Nessel is a very different kind of person. She
is an ideologue, she's an activist. She has weaponized the
Attorney General's office against Trump electors and Republican fundraisers and
all of that.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But kind of the beauty of this is she also
indicted Rick Snyder. Really, Gretchen Whitmer's kind of you know,
Gretchen Whimer wanted that to happen. So now this could
really backfire because she taught the attorney general, you can
indict the governor, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And she indicted Rick Snyder, the former governor, right after.
If you go back and you look at the chronology
of all of this. When Joe Biden was declared the
winner of the twenty twenty election, Rick Snyder and who
was one of the Republicans for Biden, don't forget, Don't forget,
(08:20):
and Gretchen Whitmer put out a joint statement basically calling
for this is a time for healing and basically, you know,
we're getting rid of Trump. And so what does Gretchen
Whitmer and Dana Nessel do. They turn around and they
indict Rick Snyder. So but but so Jocelyn, Dana Nessel
(08:40):
is just she's a very different person. You know. Uh,
Gretchen Whitmer is she's a partier and that you know,
she went to Michigan State and that that was sort
of her thing. Where Danton Nessel's a she's out. I
think Dana Nestl's out for blood, Republican blood. And and
so then Trump gets real ect. Whitmer is addicted to
(09:02):
federal money. She wants to cozy up to Trump to
try and get federal money for the projects that she wants.
But then you've got Dana Nessel who is out for
blood and.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
She cannot even stand a conversation with him. But having
that moment, I think that she probably threw open her
mouth and her that hair on her chest curl. The
day that she saw Gretchen wentmer go snuggle Donald Trump
on the tarmac, I mean, I think she probably lost
and that was like a moment where she's on the
(09:34):
war path now because I think that's maybe I'm wrong,
but it appears that that's how she operates because she
is a true believer in crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yes, she's she's filed or has has joined multiple lawsuits
against the Trump administration. She's you know, used a lot
of the you know, fascist rhetoric and get a.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Certainly one where she joined one just like today about
making sure illegal immigrants have healthcare.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I have Medicaid. Yes, they still have access to Medicaid.
So and and the Midwesterner has a story about that.
You can find it at the Midwesterner dot news. But
so they are very different people. And so the reason
all of this matters is because their Dana Nessel has
launched an investigation into you know, this misused potential misuse
(10:30):
of public money. So she launches the investigation. She tries
to get the med CDC to work with her provide documents,
you know, all of that sort of thing. Apparently they
weren't doing that. So it got so crazy that when
Gretchen Whitmer, the other thing that she's been doing is
(10:52):
she's not going to Michigan. She's not going to Ohio
or Illinois or Indiana or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania. She's not
going to neighboring states to try and recruit businesses. She's
going to the Middle East. She's going to Europe. And
so she was on a trip to Australia with the
(11:12):
president of the m d C, so they're literally on
the other side of the world, and Dana Nessel raids
the me DC, raids it and with a with you know,
a warrant for documents, and apparently, according to reporting, she
(11:34):
specifically wanted the cell phone of Quentin Messer, who is
the president of the me DC, who was in Australia
with the governor. And then additional reporting showed that the
governor's staff now is being represented by criminal attorneys and
(11:59):
they apparently we're doing some sort of coordination or discussion
with fee Bee Don while this investigation was going on.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And so it's the governor's office, the Governor's coordinating with
the woman who is being investigated for getting state taxpayer
money and then potentially misusing that money.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And people in the in the Whitmer inner circle. I
mean there's these are not you know, low level staffers
that are sort of you know, going rogue. These are
people in the inner in the inner circle of the governor.
So this is now all unfolding. The MEDC is trying
to block the you know, the use of the of
(12:41):
the materials that were obtained after the raid. And but
the big picture, you know, is is this how government
should be operating? Should government be giving twenty million dollars
of our hard earned money to a company that didn't
exist when they gave the money? Is this meant? Mike,
(13:02):
we don't follow where it goes.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Remember when Stacy Abrams got the
money from Joe Biden, what was it two billion dollars? Sarah,
I think it was two billion dollars that she got.
And this was before she ever had an organization too.
They had ever only ever brought in like one hundred
(13:25):
and fifty dollars, and this was to a nonprofit that
she gets two billion dollars and they say she has
to spend it in thirty days. This and this happens.
We don't even find this out until Trump is in office.
But this is the normal procedure for Democrats, folks. They
are taking your money. You when you saw all of
the doze stuff with USAID and you heard about the NGOs.
(13:47):
This is how this stuff works. And I'm glad that
this is being exposed with Gretchen Whitmer because I do
think she would move on and she would take that.
So you've got Gretchen Whitmer on one hand, who is
this big contender for twenty eight who is taking this money?
And I just also want to note she's gone to Spain,
she's gone to Japan, she's gone to Australia. Where else
(14:09):
did she go?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
The UK and Ireland?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
The UK and Ireland, and she has not brought back
a Licka business. That's the guys that she goes under.
She pretends she's going for that reason. She's actually going
because I believe that she'll use this in her presidential run.
These are my I have foreign policy experience. I've dealt
with all these people, I've met with all these leaders
(14:33):
over there, and suddenly we will see videos of her
with leaders and her over with these business leaders as well,
but she's never done any good over there. For the
state of Michigan, you've got that going on. On one hand,
you still have this situation in New York. So I
would say that Dana Nessel in Michigan aligns more with
(14:53):
the socialist arm of the Democrat Party. So you're going
to have that clash. And where does Gretchen Whitmer stand
on my Donnie over in New York City and what
he's doing, which is at this point he's going even
more extreme. He's just going to take all the tax
payer money, he's going to shut down the businesses. He's
going he has really the way he has spoken has
(15:14):
been full communism. But I would say, I mean, how
much different is this situation because you're taking taxpayer money,
you're giving in to a person who doesn't have a business,
and then she's going to organize what businesses can be
in business in the state of Michigan. It's not too
far off from that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well, it's yes, and there is zero accountability right not
to give Dana Nessel, you know, credit, but at least
she is at least the appearance, there's the appearance that
she's trying to bring some accountability to the situation, because
what happens is, I mean, you and I have talked
about Goshen, and there's other companies that have received tens
(15:53):
and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, and then when
it doesn't actually come to be or they get the money.
You know, the Midwesterner had a story about LG which
is a battery maker, got one hundred and eighty nine
million dollars for Michigan taxpayers to create EV to build
(16:13):
EV batteries. Now should we should Michigan taxpayers be paying
for that? I think no. But setting that aside that
when that was the deal was they were going to
build EV batteries, well then they decide, no, we're not
going to build EV batteries because nobody's buying evs, so
we're going to create different kinds of batteries. Okay, so
(16:34):
you're not living up to the terms of the agreement.
But does that mean Gretchen Whitmer is going to ask
for the one hundred and eighty nine million dollars back. No,
of course not.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And the question is how many jobs would that have
produced because we're not getting any new jobs, so we
don't ever get the money back. One hundred and eighty
how much?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
One hundred and eighty nine million, one hundred.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And eighty nine million. I mean, we're talking about massive
amounts of money. That reminds me of this situation in
New York where they're so used to taking this money
and giving it and they believe that it's all just
being handed out. Now she is Whitmer is actually handing
out money. This clown in New York thought that he
could take a tax break grocery stores are getting and
(17:19):
use that money that doesn't actually exist and create government
owned grocery stores. He has no idea how economics works.
He has a degree in African studies, that's what he
does a degree in. And this guy also created he
co founded the what is it? Students for Palestine, Yes
(17:43):
for Justice in Palestine, Students for Justice in Palestine. He
graduated from college in twenty fourteen. I think most of
us who've been watching this movement of late have felt
like this is new. This has to come in in
the last few years and then really took off off
after October seventh. These organizations have been grooming these people
(18:07):
four years. I'm using your term because you're right, they
have been grooming these people for years. And I believe
that people like Dana Nessel are a part of these
activist groups. They go to these Free Palestine protests and
they're out there on the streets with these people, and
they get funded, well funded to get into office and
(18:28):
change the entire economic system of this country. And I
do think that you're seeing it happen in New York
right now, because people believe if you can change the
economic system that the City of New York runs on,
which is the most powerful city in the world, I
mean outside of I guess you could say Washington, d C.
Has more power the financial power that New York City has.
(18:52):
If you can change that economic system, you can take
the whole You can take down the globe in a
really messed up way.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Right. And So to me, the fundamental question of that
New York City mayor's race is can a personality who
speaks well, who you know, I guess looks good on camera.
I don't know. I'll leave that for others to decide.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, I think he's charming.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
He is, but he's engaging, and can that, and you know,
he's he's got a lot of rhetoric that I think
a lot of people who are struggling find appealing, and
so can that sort of personality who is I think
totally bankrupt on on policy And he's got policy that's
(19:38):
never been tried anywhere, certainly in America but not anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But he's also good.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Is that going to Is that going to win?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
He's got really dangerous policy. I know we just talked
about this guy, but I feel like there's more that
we're uncovering every day about who Zorn Mondami is and
what he really wants to do. We've now we're learning
that he wants to to decriminalize sex work. And I
want to talk about this because all the women out
there who voted for this guy, what do you think
(20:08):
that means? What do you think decriminalizing sex work work means?
It's not like there's some glorified lifestyle there. These are
women who we were on Clay and Buck yesterday we
had Yaco Boyan's on. He's on the program a lot.
You've heard him talk about sex trafficking. He made such
a great point when he was like, this is this
(20:28):
is legalized slavery, you would put women in the situation.
And you've made the point that he voted against a
ban on revenge porn. Explain that because there was a
band there, they were expanding it. But he was one
of only three people to vote against that.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Right, so New York State banned revenge porn in twenty nineteen.
Man Downey was not there, so obviously he wouldn't have
voted on that. But then in twenty twenty three there
was a bill to expand it and sort of, you know,
clean up the language because techologies changing and all of that,
and three members of the State Assembly voted against it,
(21:06):
and he was one of them, and it I think
it's somebody needs to ask him, why would you vote
against that?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Why do you want to decriminalize sex work? And why
do you want revenge porn to be available? Because I
asked that question because those two things, in my mind
as a woman, go together, because we know these men
who pimp women out, they use this to keep them
into control. They use this revenge porn to keep them
in control and say, you know, I'm gonna send this
(21:35):
to someone so and I'm going to do this. Especially
young girls, they get them They lure them in with
promises of gifts, and we're going to keep the secret.
We won't tell your family, and then they control them.
Especially in certain cultures, you can't have your parents find
something like this out, So you control women this way.
(21:55):
This guy, in my opinion, is the most dangerous person
out there for women. Yet you've got young women out there.
You got that Cynthia Nixon. My gosh, here's a woman
who is a lesbian woman who obviously I think she
even has a daughter, maybe she has a trans child.
I can't remember. But you are you are out there
(22:16):
marching in the streets with someone who is an anti woman.
There's nothing pro woman about those two stances, no.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And so it's really it's it's going to be a
time of choosing for New York City. And do you
want to do you want to hire someone who has
never run an organization before, who has very little life experience,
has not lived the lifestyle of a lot of the
people he claims to represent, and and his his I mean,
(22:47):
he's trading on theories and let's you know, let's for
some reason he wants to create. You mentioned it. These
government owned grocery stores, one per borough which I think
most people was a one for borough. What difference is
that going to make?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But it's just getting the foot in the door. That's
how you start. It's that's the that's how they trick
people in. It's just one per borough. This is a
great experiment, and everything he's doing is an experiment. It's
not an experiment in the from the standpoint that we've
never seen it. We've seen it in other countries. I mean,
socialism has killed hundreds of thousands of people. And we
(23:26):
see on CNN and they're like, he's not a communist,
he's a socialist. Now you have Democrats that are defending Oh,
this isn't communism, this is socialism. Well, who cares? Why
are you defending it at all? I mean, right now
the Democrat Party is in total chaos. You've got that,
you have the situation with Whitmer. We see today there's
this news out that Governor Walls has a guy who
(23:51):
is a convicted sex offender and he's been appointed to
a state auditing job. He is a He's not only
a sex offen, he raped a woman. He also is
a guy who overstate his visa. He was getting kicked out.
He's not technically supposed to be here, but Walls gives
(24:11):
him a job. I mean, we talked about we also
yesterday we talked about the fact that we're like celebrating
that men can't be in women's sports. I look at
the fact that we are trying to give government jobs
in education, auditing education to sex offenders. You've got Whitmer
taking taxpayer money and giving it to her friends who
(24:32):
are then misusing it potentially. You've got this guy in
New York who wants to have women be sex slaves.
I mean, I can't think of anything worse than that.
And this is the Democrat Party today. These are their
options and they're defending it. And then we have Secretary
McMahon who comes out and she's like, we're going to
protect women in men's sports. And I almost feel silly
(24:54):
that we are all cheering about this, because ten years ago,
if anybody had told us any of these things that
we just talked about, we would go that is bonkers, no.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Way, right, Yeah, you're right. The idea that we're saying
that the government has to, you know, decide that that
men should not be in women's sports. The fact that
that is even a thing in shows how far we've gone.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. Here you have universities that now
have to define men and women using biology. It's like,
I just can't. We're like, thank goodness, we have to
use biology. Now. Wait a minute. Remember for the last
(25:39):
five years has been science, not science. This is science.
I'm science, faucia science. What is science? They can't even
tell us what's now We're like, you must actually use science.
And the rest of the world, the common sense lovers
of the world, are like, yay, thank you for using science.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
But this shows too, I think how how the left
is winning the culture war because and they say, oh,
the you know, Republicans and Conservatives are in a culture war. Well,
when you've got men and women's sports, I mean, is
that not a culture war front? And the fact that
now the Trump administration has to be issuing these or
(26:19):
entering these agreements about how universities are going to change
shows how successful the left has been in these culture
war battles.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And that's why we have to stay That's why we
keep talking, That's why we keep doing this, That's why
we keep fighting back against this and I will say
that we are headed into an amazing holiday tomorrow. You
talked about it yesterday on claim Buck that if we
didn't have Independence Day, what would the world look like?
(26:50):
And this is the last bastion of hope. I believe
the United States, we are the place that has to
keep fighting for freedom. We have to keep fighting for
actual democracy, what we what our founding fathers fought for.
We are still here with that same attitude to keep
doing this. And we also celebrate something else on that day.
We celebrate Kyle's birthday. He is a true patriot being
(27:12):
born on Independence Day. So happy Birthday.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Absolutely. Do you have anything you want to add about
Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I'm just I'm glad it's today.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Wow. All right, that was a lot that was deep.
You were a lot deeper on Clay and Buck, I
thought you would.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Well, I just I think, well, I'll repeat what I said.
I think July fourth, seventeen seventy six was one of
the most consequential days in the history of the world
because if that day didn't happen, think about how different
that We can't even envision how the world would be
a different place.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And that is why when you say when you said that,
it struck me so hard because I think that we
take what we have for granted, and we sometimes joke
when we see this socialist attitude and some of these
radical ideas come to the end States. And in the past,
I think we've had the luxury of joking about it
because we've always held it at bay. What we're seeing
(28:07):
in New York now has changed that. And this is
our own moment to defend our democracy and defend what
America is. And so tomorrow we go out and celebrate,
and we have fireworks, and we have our picnics, and
we spend time with family. But then Monday, we'll be
right back here making sure that we continue to defend
(28:28):
our democracy. So thank you, thank you for joining me today,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
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