In this episode, Tudor discusses the political landscape and the influence of Alex Soros, the son of George Soros. Matt Palumbo, the author of 'The Heir: Inside the Not-So-Secret Network of Alex Soros,' shares insights into Alex's personality, his political connections, and the impact of the Soros family on global politics. The conversation delves into family dynamics, funding strategies for climate change, and the concept of a shadow government. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today is going to
be a day of I mean, I guess it's kind
of like political gossip, but sometimes you've just got to
have some political gossip. And I'm here to tell you
there are so many messed up things that happen behind
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of the political world.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I was just on a business trip and I was
just sharing with some of the people on that trip
some of the things that I experienced, and it was
like people's jaws just at the table, and I forget
because that's how I was at first too. When I
first heard these things. I'm like, this is impossible that
this stuff happens. And now it's just like I lived
these stories. So I own these stories. But someone else
(00:40):
who owns these stories is the author of a new book,
Matt Palumbo. We've had him on here before. He is
the content manager of The Bonngino Report. So before we
talk to you about George, now we're talking about Alex Soros.
The book is called The Air Inside the Not So
Secret Network of Alex Soros.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh give us the scoop.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, he is his father's son. You know, I think
I said in the book, and I think it's probably
not a great joke, but I said, it's not like
the apple fell far from the tree, It's still on
the tree, and that they are ideologically aligned. I think
the OSF will at a minimum just continue doing exactly
what it's doing, basically on autopilot, and then Alex will
add things on top of that that are you know,
(01:24):
more cartoonishly leftist than his father, if you can believe it.
The climate issue is one that he has head over
heels for. It's you know, in his first interviews.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
With such an interesting way to put it.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
He's with that as like the words come to me,
they're coming out. Well, that he's been obsessed with let's
put use that word instead since the first interviews he's
ever done more than a decade ago. And I'll go
into more detail in a bit on that. But the
reason I say not so secret network in the subtitle
is a I mean it works with the book about George,
(01:58):
where I do say secret net work, and I thought,
what maybe clever, But also because he made it very
easy to track his whereabouts and that almost everything he
does he posts on social media.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So yeah, he seems to be much more of an
attention horror than his father.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That and it's weird too because he's trying to portray
himself as more moderate than his father, so it's like
he wants the attention, but he doesn't want to be
seen as a shadowy figure, I guess. But it made
research a lot easier in that there are a lot
of countries I would have never known to even look into,
but he'll post a photo with a prime minister of
like North Macedoni, and I'm thinking, all right, let's, you know,
(02:33):
go back in time and see if George has any connections,
and then there would always be a story leading up
to Alex meeting the person he was with, and it
gave me a lot of content, so I'm very grateful
for that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I thought the interesting thing about this was there's literally
nothing normal about his life, and obviously I should imagine
that there's not going to be anything normal.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
About Alex Soros's life.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
He's the youngest, right, so he's the youngest son of
a multi billionaire who has influenced governments across the world.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So I mean, you're.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Talking about I'm reading this and I'm like, he's literally
playing with toys next to Hillary Clinton, and you know,
all these major world leaders, and that was just his life.
So when people talk about him influencing the United States,
I think what you need to understand is this guy
(03:25):
has no idea what the average Americans life is like.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, and it's true for all of them. And you
even see it, like on Twitter dot com every single
day you see the craziest thing of your life from
some leftists and it's like, what are you in a
different world than the rest of us, But it does
like they actually are, even the ones with no money
are leaving in a completely different world than the right.
It's I guess it's the ideology as well. But I
talk a lot about in a chapter on his influence
(03:52):
in the Body administration all of the Biden White House visits,
because I noticed they were getting a lot of attention
in the New York Post and Fox, but very few
people were asking the question or trying to figure out
what exactly were they talking about. So my friend Joe
Asquez and I, he works at Media Research Center, just
plotted out all the visits. There was about thirty of them,
(04:13):
and we lucked out because and he said, this has
never happened before, but all the visitor logs got scrubbed
from the White House website after Biden left, and we
didn't know if it was because the Body administration got
rid of them or the Trump administration was just clearing out,
you know, Biden era stuff, So we don't know what
(04:33):
the reason was. But for some reason, my friend Joe
just had that book, like an archived version bookmarked in
his computer somewhere. So we lucked out that he's also
a nerd, and we were able to go through all
of the visits and about two thirds of them it
correlated with some sort of environmental announcement, and we figured,
you know, hey, it could just be a coincidence. The
(04:53):
Biden administration is big on climate change, Alex is, maybe
we're just correlating things that aren't there. But there was
one visit with Joe Biden and it was on the
same day the President of Kenya came to the White
House and had an event in the morning. Alex was there,
The president of the OSF it was there, and of note,
the OSF I just fell out Open Society Foundation, which
(05:17):
he took over. Their headquarters in Africa is in Kenya,
so they clearly have influence of the air. And there
were a number of Soros funded NGOs that were praising
the meeting between the Kenyan president and Biden, And within
days of this meeting, there was a memorandum of understanding
signed with Kenya's energy department. The US and USAID were
(05:39):
announcing new projects in Kenya. And you know, given what
we know now about the USAID and Soros, it seems
like there had to have been some sort of coordination there.
So that there's a lot of original research in the
book that took forever to put together, so I hope
people do find it useful.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
What is I mean, You've done so much research on him?
What is he like? What is his personality like? Because
I think from the outside, we look at this and
we know that George Soros is a very I guess
an emotional guy. He's not very he's not very sympathetic,
he's not very loving. You talk in this book about
the fact that he's not very loving, and that Alex
(06:17):
has come forward and said that Alex was actually not
the first choice for him.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It was a different son.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was his half brother right that was considered the
heir apparent. And then it seems like not only is
he not loving or dedicated, emotionally to even his family members.
And obviously we know his background of going in and
helping to take the belongings out of Jewish homes during
the Holocaust, but in World War Two, But this side
(06:45):
of him, how has that affected Alex Well?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He I don't know if you've ever seen the guy
speak before, but if you haven't, someone described it as
speaking like listening to him speak sounds like a wreck
at skipping. He can't get a sentence out. He apparently
has gone through media training to try to help him
become a more effective spokesperson, but he struggles with that
(07:10):
and he's not really as politically savvy as his father.
I mean, he posted a photo with Jasmine Crockett and
said that he thinks she's the future of the Democratic
Party I hope, to which I'll say, I fear her
more than anything. Please Alex know, but he he was
calling for Democrats to stick with Biden even after the
(07:33):
first debate disaster, and then after Kamala takes over, then
she becomes the best candidate that ever existed. On election Day,
he predicted she would take every single swing state, which
Trump did for the first time in well, I think
it was at least twenty years, or at least got
Nevada for the first time in twenty years, in addition
to the others, and then after that writes an op
ed about how we all should have known Trump was
(07:54):
going to win. So he is, I guess, like a
politician and that, no matter what happens, will always act
like he's right. But he's just not very smart in
that regard. And I don't want it sound like I'm
inflating my own ego here, but I get the feeling
that he is in some way intimidated by me, or
doesn't is afraid I'll publish something gamming on him, because
(08:14):
he's had at least one opportunity to meet me. We
and I swear to God, this actually happened. We were
staying at the same hotel while I was gonna speak
at an event about his father, and I got in
contact with someone that knows him to try to see
if he'd want to grab dinner. I was gonna ask
him to pay, by the way, but but no, he
(08:35):
was not.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He was not intating for everybody else, so why not You.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Could probably afford it. Probably it's a bit more than
he has more money than I make.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So, so keep writing books about him and then you'll
make more.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That's my only key to prosperity. No, the so he
denies that, and I got confirmation he denied it. Then
he in writing this book. You know, you have to
try to make an effort to reach out to the
guy and get his side of the story. And I
had messaged him on Facebook and you can see if
someone read your message and he was seeing them, so
(09:08):
I knew, and like, you know, it was either Haim
or a staffer who presumably mentioned someone's writing a book
at you about you, and you know who he is
because of the book about your father. But yeah, he
wasn't interested. And then I finally got a response after
calling the Open Society Foundations. They did not like me
at all, by the way, very rude people, but I
(09:28):
called them and then I got heard back from his
chief of staff and she was like, oh, Alex isn't
doing interviews. He doesn't do interviews, is what she said.
But if you want to send us a copy of
the book to read through, let us know. And I'm like, well,
I know it's a setup. You're trying to, you know,
act like you're going to help me instead of answer
our questions through an interview have material through that which
(09:49):
I don't think would be useful. But anyway, and New
York mag Is an interview with Alex came out last month,
and most of the interview took place in February, which
is when they told me he wasn't doing interviews. So
it turns out they were lying, which I was just
really shocked about. But now I'm on his radar. And
one thing that happened recently that made me very happy
was I guess if you get a lot of link
(10:12):
backs to something like in articles, it helps your seo
on Google. So if you google his name, my book
is now one of the top results. So he can't
hide forever.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's no, he can't, No, he can't. But see, that's
the funny thing.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It seems like he wants to his dad, or he
doesn't want to his dad wanted to. Like I feel
like George Soros was like this name whispered in the shadows,
like he does all this stuff, and people were like,
I've never really seen anything, no, but we promise you
he is doing it.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And it was very secretive. But Alex is not secretive.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He is posting I mean, I remember during the campaign
it was everybody was there was some I guess it
was their apartment because.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The pictures a photo. It's the pictures of.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
He and Huma are out in like the same area
of the world wherever with the windows. Of course, I
assume they have apartments like this everywhere. But he's got
Tim Walls, Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, everybody that you can
think of was with him. I think even Josh Shapiro
was pictured with him. All of these people were pictured
(11:16):
with him, and that was kind of like there were
a lot of Republicans at that time going c CC,
we told you, and then we're like, oh, I guess
he's just going to be totally exposing this. Now would
Jonathan have been the same way because I don't know
anything about that guy.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I only really know that he has been successful in investments,
like his father, but not as really just not as
much information about him. And in fact, the challenge of
this book was there's really not much written about Alex
so I had to be a bit of a social
media sleuth. But the book, the book took twice as
long as the book about his father, and it's about
the same length, so it was definitely challenging to get
(11:52):
information on that. And there's just not as much unfortunately
about Jonathan. But he was the first pick, and it's
not clear what the reason was why George went with Alex.
But in that New York magazine piece, switch ended up
being way harder on Alex than I probably would have been.
It had quoted officially higher ups of the Open Society Foundation,
(12:12):
including the prior president of the group, saying they were
shocked that Alex was picked and that he was probably
the worst man for the job. And it's one of
those things, right. I do hope it is actually true.
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more after this. In the book, you say that they
Jonathan and Jonathan out George, the father and the son
that was supposedly the heir apparent, don't have a great
relationship now, but they're still friends.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's just not as close.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And I thought, what a strange way to describe your
father like we're still friends.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's just kind of a cooled off relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And it just to me it was very obvious that
he's business about everything.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
There's not a lot of love in any of these relationships.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's like a very it's not you, it's me. Perspective
on family, it's a yeah, it's an odd group of people.
And yeah, Alex himself said his father really wasn't around
a lot in his early years. It was just in
adolescence that you know, he ended up taking now to
you know, be alongside Hillary Clinton and other world leaders
when the rest of us were doing our math homework.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So there's a story about George being this you know,
Nazi collaborator and all of that, and George himself hasn't
really denied that he actually was very casual.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
About you know, whatever this is. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Alex has defended him and said that's not the case.
Is Alex's personality different? Does he have a soft, maybe
penetrable side, considering the fact that that it obviously bothers him,
that says something about him psychologically.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well, I can confirm he's never confiscated goods from Jews
or order their deportation. So he has that in his favor.
You know, I would say most people are probably have
more empathy than George. So I guess I'll give Alex
credit for that. But I know what you're referencing. He
wrote not Bad for New York Daily News where he was.
It was titled something like, you know, debunking lies about
(15:25):
my father and is this is very common when people
try to debunk this claim about George, which he said
out loud on sixty minutes and anyone can go watch
it on YouTube or read the transcript. Is they never
mentioned what they're debunking. They just say, oh, they say
he's a Nazi. Actually it's not true because he's Jewish.
And they never quote the transcript, They never give any
(15:47):
context clues. And I had talked about this in the
first book, and Alex just gave me an opportunity to
just elaborate more on it because he specifically recommended his
grandfather's book about his grandfather's autobiography, which talks about this,
and said that you know, oh, if you read this,
it exonerates my father. It really did no such thing.
(16:07):
It did not help his case whatsoever. I mean, yes,
George was not literally a Nazi. But he did go
along with it, and it's not even necessarily I make
this one. It's not even necessarily what he did, as
you could always play it off as well, I had
a guns in my head, you know what we do.
George doesn't even make that argument. It's just oh well,
you know, if I didn't do it, someone else would,
(16:28):
so oh well. It's the lack of empathy that really
stands out more than even what he did and how
cold he was in talking about it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So I know that Alex is married now, but he
comes off as like this kind of sad and almost
the opposite of his father, where a lot of this
empathy is like you talked about his love for climate
change and all of these things, but almost to a
point where he is somewhat like a moldable high school kid,
(17:02):
like little Incell Nerd, you know, and you watch what
he focuses on and you think, gosh, this is a
lot of power for someone who has been influenced by
such kind of radical theories on things, and you talk
about Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean, he has influence in all of these areas.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I thought he was super young, so before we got out,
I'm like, how old is he he looks like he's
I always kind of assumed that he was so immature
about his political leanings because he was a little kid.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
But he's thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
He looks younger than me, which I guess it was
in good news for me. But yeah, he's thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
He's sharing those secrets instead of spending money on politics.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, we always called that team.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So maybe you age at a slower rate than the
rest of us. I don't know that at night he
was fifty or if not, like forty eight to fifties.
So it's a I don't know, very lucky age. There's
anything wrong with that, but it is an interesting mashup
given that the OSF has had long ties with Hillary Clinton,
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and obviously you know whom has been her number two
for a while. I guess, considering she was with Anthony
Wiener beforehand, this is the best possible upgrade that could
ever like proportionally, that could ever happen. So good for them,
I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, this seems like a marriage of convenience. I mean,
I don't know, it's I who am I to judge?
Maybe it's true love. I can't tell.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I really I hope, So why not you know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Don't know, but I will say, I mean, there is
so that alone though, the fact that she had so
much involvement with Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. We've
got this Ukraine situation going on. Tell me about his
involvement in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So his father had in fact, in the last book,
the Ukraine chapter I believe was either the longest or
second longest, and just talking about how Entrents George was
in Ukraine after funding the might On Revolution in twenty fourteen,
and you know how that benefited him financially and in
terms of Influencelex has continued that and the among the
(19:05):
other things he's done in addition to just knowing, you know,
seemingly every person in Parliament, a number of members of
Alex's cabinet he or Tilensky's cabinet, he donated a million
dollars to an NGO that is run by Zelenski's wife,
which you know, I get you can't co mingle funds,
but if you're taking two hundred billion dollars, I figure
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something of that genre is probably not too hard to
fund in some regard, And it just seemed like an
obvious case of buying influence and one example that I
think I found of corruption, and it ties in to
what is the longest chapter in this book, which is
about his role in Albanian politics. And again it's a
country most people probably have never thought of before, but
it works as a microcosm of how Alex will work
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as a whole in reshaping a country. And he's very
close to the Prime Minister Edi Rama, who just won
his fourth consecutive term. He's a member of the Socialist Party.
And there was a munitions deal in the isiated recently
between Ukraine and Albania where there was many, many millions
of munitions that Albania was to produce for Ukraine. But
(20:10):
Albania is not capable of actually producing any of these
things at all, so they're subcontracting it out to a
different country. And it raises the obvious question of like, well,
why wouldn't you just go to the country. Why are
you introducing a middleman who's going to charge some sort
of fee to then make someone else do the work.
And it's one of those things that it makes sense
in context of Alex and Eddie Rama and z Lanscape
(20:32):
brokering that sort of deal and The three have even
been photographed at events together, so I assume that's the case.
And Rama himself has overseen the explosion of narco trafficking
in his country. And you know, it's just a country
where I can't prove overall that he is benefiting in,
you know, in mass corruption. But it's a country that
it's so tiny and dare I say irrelevant on the
(20:54):
global scale. I mean, the average income there is ten
thousand dollars a year. There's no real reason to be
involved than a country like that unless you're benefiting from something.
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, Also, this is a country that is weak because
they just came out of communism.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So this was what in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
They were just ninety two and George was the biggest
international donor into the country after that. I actually talked
to the former minister of education in Albania in he
was two and five to two thousand and eight, and
he told me that they would They had a joke
that the Soros schools were the Minister of Education and
they were like the sub department because it was more
(21:33):
than half of all schools there were funded or founded
by George Soros and we're teaching his ideology.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? So that's another
thing though, that he wants this. So Alex his love
of climate, all of that, that's what he's pushing into
our education, right.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yep, Yes, And I mean so we Me and Joe Vasquez,
like I mentioned, who I did the other study with,
did one. And this took us three months to do.
It was maddening. We went through every single climate grant
that the OSF has ever issued and put them into
a spreadsheet, which was, you know, a thousand. It took
us so long. Anyway, we found that from twenty sixteen
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to when Alex took over the OSF, it was like
around one hundred and seventy million dollars that they spent
on climate and the data only went back to twenty sixteen,
I guess, thank God for iceanity, but to one seventy
million from that time period from when Alex took over onward.
He's pledged four hundred and thirty eight million to climate
in the best two years, so more than double in
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two years than what was spent from twenty sixteen to
when he took over. And the thing too is a
lot of these are umbrella groups where climate is there,
you know what they're named after, their central focus. But
then for some reason they're like protesting for Palestine and
you're going, what your your I thought you were planting trees.
They're every left wing group does that where they sort
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of take on every group in the you know, every
clause in the left wing portfolio and they just pick
one to emphasize. And climate groups just love doing this
where they are you know, they just put climate in
the name, but what they actually do, you know, can
be completely different.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
They just do one right, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, So
let me ask you this. There have been these rumors
that Democrats and maybe they're not even rumors, maybe they're
just outright saying they want to have a shadow party.
So they're talking a shadow government. They're talking about having
a full shadow government, their own cabinet secretaries. And I
think people go, oh my gosh, that's crazy, how could
(23:34):
that happen?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But when you have.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, because when you have money, you can do that.
And when you have the combination of Juma Abadeen and
Alex Soros, which is really just the Clintons with a
lot of money, and the Clintons have a lot of power.
Hillary Clinton can walk into any government and talk to
the heads of state.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, she has that ability.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So when you have this kind of money combined with that,
and I think everybody when they got married went hm,
that's interesting. What is that exactly about? And like I said,
maybe it's true love. No one believes that. So what
is the deal with this shadow government? Are Could they
potentially be a part of this?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh? I mean absolutely, and people will. I mean the
term shadow makes it sound conspiratorial, but shadow governments have
been around forever. It just means you make a parallel
cabinet to the ruling administration. And in fact, you know,
if Biden was still in office, technically, me, you and
your audience could all start calling ourselves all right, I'm
the shadow Labor Secretary and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, but you and I cannot just walk into Zalenski's office.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They can.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm getting there. I was gonna say. The difference here
would be they actually would have power, and they would
be people who are already in government assuming these positions.
And you know, they have the same platform that anyone
in Congress would have, and they only media, so it
helps them get their message out and al I mean,
I remember the first book, I did an analysis of
(25:07):
who are people that were on the boards of Open
Society Foundation companies that then served on the board of
media companies, And it's like basically every single company except
Newsmax and Fox and obviously this one, but you know,
it's it's pretty much everywhere. And if you don't believe me,
just type in George or Alex Soros into the search
bar and any mainstream media website and it's either praising
(25:31):
them or claim claiming to debunk a conspiracy against them.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
What do you think his ultimate goal is?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Because it seems like he loves to fund chaos and destabilization.
So if you look at the whole, I mean, from
Jesse Smollett to George Floyd to defunding the police, all
of these I mean even you brought up Jasmine Crockett,
like all of these people, and even going after Donald Trump,
all of these Alvin Bragg, everybody that they have encouraged,
(26:07):
and they have these rogue prosecutors all over the country.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
What is the endgame?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's a tough question to answer because I always feel
like I'm being lazy and saying they just want to
sow chaos because they're evil. But is that not the
most obvious or the simplest explanation. I can't think of
a better one. I mean, I guess you could intellectualize
it by saying, well, they want to burn the whole
system down to then create something new out of it.
But they think they're going to create new out of
it is going to be chaotic anyway, So and their
(26:36):
ideology is deliberately open ended. Like we all remember the
cities burning down in twenty twenty, and you know, it
was over police killing black people, but there was twelve
unarmed black people killed by police in the entire country
that year, and it was it was the all time
low at that point. It was down even eighty percent
just from five years prior. So you could just as
(26:59):
easily say, hey, it was horrible what happened, but in
fact that we've made the most progress on this issue
we've ever had, and it's down every year and it's
heading in the right direction. It's all framing. So you know,
so far as there is one injustice in the entire country,
they can just make chaos out of that and every
I mean there's a million examples you could give of
the left doing this. I mean there were groups that
(27:20):
were and this isn't really chaos related, but there were
groups that were created to oppose to support same sex marriage.
And you know, when same sex marriage got legalized, did
they a go away because hey, we've reached our goal,
time to disband or b did they just champion a
new cause and keep raising money. And the answer is
(27:42):
be they pivoted to well, we now support some vague
notion of tolerance and kindness, and so as long as
there's one video of some kid getting called the slur,
we can continue to raise money. And every single left
wing cause deliberately has no end. There's never a goal.
You could be in a communist country and there's so
going to claim it's not communist enough. So they structure
(28:03):
their activism so it will go on forever. Any goals,
even if they feel they reach them, will always be
portrayed as if they're not reached. So okay, so answer,
I feel like that's my least lazy version.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, I think that's I think that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think that there's we just watch this and so
it seems like he's not necessarily getting where he wants
to go. But what is his ideology? Is he a socialist?
Is he a Marxist? Is he a communist?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Where does he want the country to go?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So he portrays himself just your standard progressive liberal, but
the you know, wall trying to present himself as a moderate.
But I guess given the left today, being a progressive
Democrat is a moderate somehow, I don't know. It doesn't
make any sense. But he has continued funding all of
the radical groups his father is funding. So I mean,
(28:52):
there was an example I gave where he's trying to
portray himself as being moderate on Israel where he's critical
of Israel but is also Clohamas and wants a two
state solution and all that. But he chairs Central European University,
which his father started funds. Still they have their own
university network called the Open Society University Network, where he
(29:15):
partners with other colleges has spread the Open Society sorrows ideology,
and one of them is Al Kuz University where the group,
the terror group Islamic Jihad once held the demonstration where
they were doing Nazi salutes and cursing Israel, and this
was after they partnered with them, so they have never
(29:36):
gotten rid of this partnership. The faculty at the university
has defended it. They regularly hold like Martyr's Day protests
for certain Palestinians who've given up their lives killing Jewish
people and terrorist attacks. And this is a group he
has not broken off that partnership with. So it's hard
to believe unless he's just somehow is not aware of
(29:56):
all of this, in which case he should definitely buy
my book. He's complicit in.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
So the last thing I will ask you is how
much money does he actually play with in every election cycle?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
So it was it's in the single digit. It's below
ten million, more than five million. I apologize for I'm
not no, I don't want to give the exact number
to get it wrong. It was between five and ten million,
and it was actually a bit less. The OSF given
less than in twenty twenty. So, but one of the
things they did was they also started funding news outlets
(30:30):
to promote propaganda. If there's one called Coreer Newsroom, that
was like twenty million, and it was to fund what
was presented as in partial news in swing states that
had a left wing bias. So technically, you know, the
funding the candidates went down, but when you funded it,
when you factored in that other spending, it was actually
among the highest it's ever been. So it depends how
(30:52):
you look in the data. But he went into that
media strategy. The OSF right now has twenty billion dollars
or twenty five billion, I should say, and obviously he's
gotting interests on that every year, so you know, you know,
five percent a year is what one point two five
billion if I'm doing the math. Someone will point it
out in the comments.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But Democrats should have to put in their financial disclosure
their in kind donations and list MSNBC and Washington Post
and all these places. But they couldn't because it would
be way beyond what you can get as an in kind.
I mean, they were talking about them getting hundreds of
millions of dollars worth of media for free because of him.
So when people hear that number, they might think that's
(31:33):
not a huge impact, But what you're saying is so
key because that is where the impact is, and people.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Do trust local news more than national and in fact
that the liberals do own the national media, but generally speaking,
Conservatives have more influence on local news, like through Sinclair
owns a ton of stations and all that. So that
was their attempt to sort of thwart that, and you know,
thank god it didn't work. I mean, one of my
favorite stats from the last election, because I'm in New
(32:01):
Jersey was that the election was closer in Jersey than
in Arizona, meaning like it's you know, what does that
mean when even in Jersey it was I think fifty
two forty eight, Like that's never happened before for a
Republican since I guess the eighty eight or whatever. So
I know, everything is trending, right, It's great.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I guess Americans are actually smart. You can't completely trick
them despite how much money you have. Okay, So the
book is called The Air Inside the Not So Secret
Network of Alex Soros. So tell us when it comes
out how people can get it.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
So it comes out December eighth. I've realized that people
don't like the pre order books, so I'm still trying
to think of like a sales pitch for that. But
one thing I guess.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
They yeah, peoples, that's the perfect gift because it's like
one of those when you don't know what to get someone,
they definitely want. Everybody's guilty pleasure is the gossip about
how this stuff is going on.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Let me redo this. The books out December eighth, right
ahead of Christmas. Get one for your wife, gets two,
Get some for your kids and your family Descember eighth,
locking your purchase. Now, all right, that's my oh one
thing that with the bug I screwed up with the
title because there's a best selling series called The Air
that has sold millions of copies. So of course you
search the book and it's all that. So type Alex
(33:15):
Soros in the search bar and it'll be first.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, all right, you got it. Now pay attention. This
is your Christmas gift everybody. I mean honestly, I would
I would like this as a Christmas gift. So I
think that if I would like it, then the people
listening to this they will also like it.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
So do not agree more.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Matt Palumbo, thank you as always for coming on today,
Always fun, Thank you, always fun, and thank you all
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Speaker 2 (33:49):
Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today is going to
be a day of I mean, I guess it's kind
of like political gossip, but sometimes you've just got to
have some political gossip. And I'm here to tell you
there are so many messed up things that happen behind
the scenes.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of the political world.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I was just on a business trip and I was
just sharing with some of the people on that trip
some of the things that I experienced, and it was
like people's jaws just at the table, and I forget
because that's how I was at first too. When I
first heard these things. I'm like, this is impossible that
this stuff happens. And now it's just like I lived
these stories. So I own these stories. But someone else
(00:40):
who owns these stories is the author of a new book,
Matt Palumbo. We've had him on here before. He is
the content manager of The Bonngino Report. So before we
talk to you about George, now we're talking about Alex Soros.
The book is called The Air Inside the Not So
Secret Network of Alex Soros.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh give us the scoop.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, he is his father's son. You know, I think
I said in the book, and I think it's probably
not a great joke, but I said, it's not like
the apple fell far from the tree, It's still on
the tree, and that they are ideologically aligned. I think
the OSF will at a minimum just continue doing exactly
what it's doing, basically on autopilot, and then Alex will
add things on top of that that are you know,
(01:24):
more cartoonishly leftist than his father, if you can believe it.
The climate issue is one that he has head over
heels for. It's you know, in his first interviews.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
With such an interesting way to put it.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
He's with that as like the words come to me,
they're coming out. Well, that he's been obsessed with let's
put use that word instead since the first interviews he's
ever done more than a decade ago. And I'll go
into more detail in a bit on that. But the
reason I say not so secret network in the subtitle
is a I mean it works with the book about George,
(01:58):
where I do say secret net work, and I thought,
what maybe clever, But also because he made it very
easy to track his whereabouts and that almost everything he
does he posts on social media.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So yeah, he seems to be much more of an
attention horror than his father.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
That and it's weird too because he's trying to portray
himself as more moderate than his father, so it's like
he wants the attention, but he doesn't want to be
seen as a shadowy figure, I guess. But it made
research a lot easier in that there are a lot
of countries I would have never known to even look into,
but he'll post a photo with a prime minister of
like North Macedoni, and I'm thinking, all right, let's, you know,
(02:33):
go back in time and see if George has any connections,
and then there would always be a story leading up
to Alex meeting the person he was with, and it
gave me a lot of content, so I'm very grateful
for that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I thought the interesting thing about this was there's literally
nothing normal about his life, and obviously I should imagine
that there's not going to be anything normal.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
About Alex Soros's life.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
He's the youngest, right, so he's the youngest son of
a multi billionaire who has influenced governments across the world.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So I mean, you're.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Talking about I'm reading this and I'm like, he's literally
playing with toys next to Hillary Clinton, and you know,
all these major world leaders, and that was just his life.
So when people talk about him influencing the United States,
I think what you need to understand is this guy
(03:25):
has no idea what the average Americans life is like.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, and it's true for all of them. And you
even see it, like on Twitter dot com every single
day you see the craziest thing of your life from
some leftists and it's like, what are you in a
different world than the rest of us, But it does
like they actually are, even the ones with no money
are leaving in a completely different world than the right.
It's I guess it's the ideology as well. But I
talk a lot about in a chapter on his influence
(03:52):
in the Body administration all of the Biden White House visits,
because I noticed they were getting a lot of attention
in the New York Post and Fox, but very few
people were asking the question or trying to figure out
what exactly were they talking about. So my friend Joe
Asquez and I, he works at Media Research Center, just
plotted out all the visits. There was about thirty of them,
(04:13):
and we lucked out because and he said, this has
never happened before, but all the visitor logs got scrubbed
from the White House website after Biden left, and we
didn't know if it was because the Body administration got
rid of them or the Trump administration was just clearing out,
you know, Biden era stuff, So we don't know what
(04:33):
the reason was. But for some reason, my friend Joe
just had that book, like an archived version bookmarked in
his computer somewhere. So we lucked out that he's also
a nerd, and we were able to go through all
of the visits and about two thirds of them it
correlated with some sort of environmental announcement, and we figured,
you know, hey, it could just be a coincidence. The
(04:53):
Biden administration is big on climate change, Alex is, maybe
we're just correlating things that aren't there. But there was
one visit with Joe Biden and it was on the
same day the President of Kenya came to the White
House and had an event in the morning. Alex was there,
The president of the OSF it was there, and of note,
the OSF I just fell out Open Society Foundation, which
(05:17):
he took over. Their headquarters in Africa is in Kenya,
so they clearly have influence of the air. And there
were a number of Soros funded NGOs that were praising
the meeting between the Kenyan president and Biden, And within
days of this meeting, there was a memorandum of understanding
signed with Kenya's energy department. The US and USAID were
(05:39):
announcing new projects in Kenya. And you know, given what
we know now about the USAID and Soros, it seems
like there had to have been some sort of coordination there.
So that there's a lot of original research in the
book that took forever to put together, so I hope
people do find it useful.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
What is I mean, You've done so much research on him?
What is he like? What is his personality like? Because
I think from the outside, we look at this and
we know that George Soros is a very I guess
an emotional guy. He's not very he's not very sympathetic,
he's not very loving. You talk in this book about
the fact that he's not very loving, and that Alex
(06:17):
has come forward and said that Alex was actually not
the first choice for him.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It was a different son.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was his half brother right that was considered the
heir apparent. And then it seems like not only is
he not loving or dedicated, emotionally to even his family members.
And obviously we know his background of going in and
helping to take the belongings out of Jewish homes during
the Holocaust, but in World War Two, But this side
(06:45):
of him, how has that affected Alex Well?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He I don't know if you've ever seen the guy
speak before, but if you haven't, someone described it as
speaking like listening to him speak sounds like a wreck
at skipping. He can't get a sentence out. He apparently
has gone through media training to try to help him
become a more effective spokesperson, but he struggles with that
(07:10):
and he's not really as politically savvy as his father.
I mean, he posted a photo with Jasmine Crockett and
said that he thinks she's the future of the Democratic
Party I hope, to which I'll say, I fear her
more than anything. Please Alex know, but he he was
calling for Democrats to stick with Biden even after the
(07:33):
first debate disaster, and then after Kamala takes over, then
she becomes the best candidate that ever existed. On election Day,
he predicted she would take every single swing state, which
Trump did for the first time in well, I think
it was at least twenty years, or at least got
Nevada for the first time in twenty years, in addition
to the others, and then after that writes an op
ed about how we all should have known Trump was
(07:54):
going to win. So he is, I guess, like a
politician and that, no matter what happens, will always act
like he's right. But he's just not very smart in
that regard. And I don't want it sound like I'm
inflating my own ego here, but I get the feeling
that he is in some way intimidated by me, or
doesn't is afraid I'll publish something gamming on him, because
(08:14):
he's had at least one opportunity to meet me. We
and I swear to God, this actually happened. We were
staying at the same hotel while I was gonna speak
at an event about his father, and I got in
contact with someone that knows him to try to see
if he'd want to grab dinner. I was gonna ask
him to pay, by the way, but but no, he
(08:35):
was not.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He was not intating for everybody else, so why not You.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Could probably afford it. Probably it's a bit more than
he has more money than I make.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So, so keep writing books about him and then you'll
make more.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That's my only key to prosperity. No, the so he
denies that, and I got confirmation he denied it. Then
he in writing this book. You know, you have to
try to make an effort to reach out to the
guy and get his side of the story. And I
had messaged him on Facebook and you can see if
someone read your message and he was seeing them, so
(09:08):
I knew, and like, you know, it was either Haim
or a staffer who presumably mentioned someone's writing a book
at you about you, and you know who he is
because of the book about your father. But yeah, he
wasn't interested. And then I finally got a response after
calling the Open Society Foundations. They did not like me
at all, by the way, very rude people, but I
(09:28):
called them and then I got heard back from his
chief of staff and she was like, oh, Alex isn't
doing interviews. He doesn't do interviews, is what she said.
But if you want to send us a copy of
the book to read through, let us know. And I'm like, well,
I know it's a setup. You're trying to, you know,
act like you're going to help me instead of answer
our questions through an interview have material through that which
(09:49):
I don't think would be useful. But anyway, and New
York mag Is an interview with Alex came out last month,
and most of the interview took place in February, which
is when they told me he wasn't doing interviews. So
it turns out they were lying, which I was just
really shocked about. But now I'm on his radar. And
one thing that happened recently that made me very happy
was I guess if you get a lot of link
(10:12):
backs to something like in articles, it helps your seo
on Google. So if you google his name, my book
is now one of the top results. So he can't
hide forever.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's no, he can't, No, he can't. But see, that's
the funny thing.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It seems like he wants to his dad, or he
doesn't want to his dad wanted to. Like I feel
like George Soros was like this name whispered in the shadows,
like he does all this stuff, and people were like,
I've never really seen anything, no, but we promise you
he is doing it.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And it was very secretive. But Alex is not secretive.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He is posting I mean, I remember during the campaign
it was everybody was there was some I guess it
was their apartment because.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The pictures a photo. It's the pictures of.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
He and Huma are out in like the same area
of the world wherever with the windows. Of course, I
assume they have apartments like this everywhere. But he's got
Tim Walls, Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, everybody that you can
think of was with him. I think even Josh Shapiro
was pictured with him. All of these people were pictured
(11:16):
with him, and that was kind of like there were
a lot of Republicans at that time going c CC,
we told you, and then we're like, oh, I guess
he's just going to be totally exposing this. Now would
Jonathan have been the same way because I don't know
anything about that guy.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I only really know that he has been successful in investments,
like his father, but not as really just not as
much information about him. And in fact, the challenge of
this book was there's really not much written about Alex
so I had to be a bit of a social
media sleuth. But the book, the book took twice as
long as the book about his father, and it's about
the same length, so it was definitely challenging to get
(11:52):
information on that. And there's just not as much unfortunately
about Jonathan. But he was the first pick, and it's
not clear what the reason was why George went with Alex.
But in that New York magazine piece, switch ended up
being way harder on Alex than I probably would have been.
It had quoted officially higher ups of the Open Society Foundation,
(12:12):
including the prior president of the group, saying they were
shocked that Alex was picked and that he was probably
the worst man for the job. And it's one of
those things, right. I do hope it is actually true.
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more after this. In the book, you say that they
Jonathan and Jonathan out George, the father and the son
that was supposedly the heir apparent, don't have a great
relationship now, but they're still friends.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's just not as close.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And I thought, what a strange way to describe your
father like we're still friends.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's just kind of a cooled off relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And it just to me it was very obvious that
he's business about everything.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
There's not a lot of love in any of these relationships.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's like a very it's not you, it's me. Perspective
on family, it's a yeah, it's an odd group of people.
And yeah, Alex himself said his father really wasn't around
a lot in his early years. It was just in
adolescence that you know, he ended up taking now to
you know, be alongside Hillary Clinton and other world leaders
when the rest of us were doing our math homework.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So there's a story about George being this you know,
Nazi collaborator and all of that, and George himself hasn't
really denied that he actually was very casual.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
About you know, whatever this is. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Alex has defended him and said that's not the case.
Is Alex's personality different? Does he have a soft, maybe
penetrable side, considering the fact that that it obviously bothers him,
that says something about him psychologically.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well, I can confirm he's never confiscated goods from Jews
or order their deportation. So he has that in his favor.
You know, I would say most people are probably have
more empathy than George. So I guess I'll give Alex
credit for that. But I know what you're referencing. He
wrote not Bad for New York Daily News where he was.
It was titled something like, you know, debunking lies about
(15:25):
my father and is this is very common when people
try to debunk this claim about George, which he said
out loud on sixty minutes and anyone can go watch
it on YouTube or read the transcript. Is they never
mentioned what they're debunking. They just say, oh, they say
he's a Nazi. Actually it's not true because he's Jewish.
And they never quote the transcript, They never give any
(15:47):
context clues. And I had talked about this in the
first book, and Alex just gave me an opportunity to
just elaborate more on it because he specifically recommended his
grandfather's book about his grandfather's autobiography, which talks about this,
and said that you know, oh, if you read this,
it exonerates my father. It really did no such thing.
(16:07):
It did not help his case whatsoever. I mean, yes,
George was not literally a Nazi. But he did go
along with it, and it's not even necessarily I make
this one. It's not even necessarily what he did, as
you could always play it off as well, I had
a guns in my head, you know what we do.
George doesn't even make that argument. It's just oh well,
you know, if I didn't do it, someone else would,
(16:28):
so oh well. It's the lack of empathy that really
stands out more than even what he did and how
cold he was in talking about it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So I know that Alex is married now, but he
comes off as like this kind of sad and almost
the opposite of his father, where a lot of this
empathy is like you talked about his love for climate
change and all of these things, but almost to a
point where he is somewhat like a moldable high school kid,
(17:02):
like little Incell Nerd, you know, and you watch what
he focuses on and you think, gosh, this is a
lot of power for someone who has been influenced by
such kind of radical theories on things, and you talk
about Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean, he has influence in all of these areas.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I thought he was super young, so before we got out,
I'm like, how old is he he looks like he's
I always kind of assumed that he was so immature
about his political leanings because he was a little kid.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
But he's thirty nine.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
He looks younger than me, which I guess it was
in good news for me. But yeah, he's thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
He's sharing those secrets instead of spending money on politics.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, we always called that team.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So maybe you age at a slower rate than the
rest of us. I don't know that at night he
was fifty or if not, like forty eight to fifties.
So it's a I don't know, very lucky age. There's
anything wrong with that, but it is an interesting mashup
given that the OSF has had long ties with Hillary Clinton,
(18:06):
and obviously you know whom has been her number two
for a while. I guess, considering she was with Anthony
Wiener beforehand, this is the best possible upgrade that could
ever like proportionally, that could ever happen. So good for them,
I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, this seems like a marriage of convenience. I mean,
I don't know, it's I who am I to judge?
Maybe it's true love. I can't tell.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I really I hope, So why not you know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Don't know, but I will say, I mean, there is
so that alone though, the fact that she had so
much involvement with Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. We've
got this Ukraine situation going on. Tell me about his
involvement in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So his father had in fact, in the last book,
the Ukraine chapter I believe was either the longest or
second longest, and just talking about how Entrents George was
in Ukraine after funding the might On Revolution in twenty fourteen,
and you know how that benefited him financially and in
terms of Influencelex has continued that and the among the
(19:05):
other things he's done in addition to just knowing, you know,
seemingly every person in Parliament, a number of members of
Alex's cabinet he or Tilensky's cabinet, he donated a million
dollars to an NGO that is run by Zelenski's wife,
which you know, I get you can't co mingle funds,
but if you're taking two hundred billion dollars, I figure
(19:26):
something of that genre is probably not too hard to
fund in some regard, And it just seemed like an
obvious case of buying influence and one example that I
think I found of corruption, and it ties in to
what is the longest chapter in this book, which is
about his role in Albanian politics. And again it's a
country most people probably have never thought of before, but
it works as a microcosm of how Alex will work
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as a whole in reshaping a country. And he's very
close to the Prime Minister Edi Rama, who just won
his fourth consecutive term. He's a member of the Socialist Party.
And there was a munitions deal in the isiated recently
between Ukraine and Albania where there was many, many millions
of munitions that Albania was to produce for Ukraine. But
(20:10):
Albania is not capable of actually producing any of these
things at all, so they're subcontracting it out to a
different country. And it raises the obvious question of like, well,
why wouldn't you just go to the country. Why are
you introducing a middleman who's going to charge some sort
of fee to then make someone else do the work.
And it's one of those things that it makes sense
in context of Alex and Eddie Rama and z Lanscape
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brokering that sort of deal and The three have even
been photographed at events together, so I assume that's the case.
And Rama himself has overseen the explosion of narco trafficking
in his country. And you know, it's just a country
where I can't prove overall that he is benefiting in,
you know, in mass corruption. But it's a country that
it's so tiny and dare I say irrelevant on the
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global scale. I mean, the average income there is ten
thousand dollars a year. There's no real reason to be
involved than a country like that unless you're benefiting from something.
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, Also, this is a country that is weak because
they just came out of communism.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So this was what in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
They were just ninety two and George was the biggest
international donor into the country after that. I actually talked
to the former minister of education in Albania in he
was two and five to two thousand and eight, and
he told me that they would They had a joke
that the Soros schools were the Minister of Education and
they were like the sub department because it was more
(21:33):
than half of all schools there were funded or founded
by George Soros and we're teaching his ideology.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? So that's another
thing though, that he wants this. So Alex his love
of climate, all of that, that's what he's pushing into
our education, right.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yep, Yes, And I mean so we Me and Joe Vasquez,
like I mentioned, who I did the other study with,
did one. And this took us three months to do.
It was maddening. We went through every single climate grant
that the OSF has ever issued and put them into
a spreadsheet, which was, you know, a thousand. It took
us so long. Anyway, we found that from twenty sixteen
(22:15):
to when Alex took over the OSF, it was like
around one hundred and seventy million dollars that they spent
on climate and the data only went back to twenty sixteen,
I guess, thank God for iceanity, but to one seventy
million from that time period from when Alex took over onward.
He's pledged four hundred and thirty eight million to climate
in the best two years, so more than double in
(22:37):
two years than what was spent from twenty sixteen to
when he took over. And the thing too is a
lot of these are umbrella groups where climate is there,
you know what they're named after, their central focus. But
then for some reason they're like protesting for Palestine and
you're going, what your your I thought you were planting trees.
They're every left wing group does that where they sort
(22:58):
of take on every group in the you know, every
clause in the left wing portfolio and they just pick
one to emphasize. And climate groups just love doing this
where they are you know, they just put climate in
the name, but what they actually do, you know, can
be completely different.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
They just do one right, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, So
let me ask you this. There have been these rumors
that Democrats and maybe they're not even rumors, maybe they're
just outright saying they want to have a shadow party.
So they're talking a shadow government. They're talking about having
a full shadow government, their own cabinet secretaries. And I
think people go, oh my gosh, that's crazy, how could
(23:34):
that happen?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But when you have.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, because when you have money, you can do that.
And when you have the combination of Juma Abadeen and
Alex Soros, which is really just the Clintons with a
lot of money, and the Clintons have a lot of power.
Hillary Clinton can walk into any government and talk to
the heads of state.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, she has that ability.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So when you have this kind of money combined with that,
and I think everybody when they got married went hm,
that's interesting. What is that exactly about? And like I said,
maybe it's true love. No one believes that. So what
is the deal with this shadow government? Are Could they
potentially be a part of this?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh? I mean absolutely, and people will. I mean the
term shadow makes it sound conspiratorial, but shadow governments have
been around forever. It just means you make a parallel
cabinet to the ruling administration. And in fact, you know,
if Biden was still in office, technically, me, you and
your audience could all start calling ourselves all right, I'm
the shadow Labor Secretary and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, but you and I cannot just walk into Zalenski's office.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They can.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm getting there. I was gonna say. The difference here
would be they actually would have power, and they would
be people who are already in government assuming these positions.
And you know, they have the same platform that anyone
in Congress would have, and they only media, so it
helps them get their message out and al I mean,
I remember the first book, I did an analysis of
(25:07):
who are people that were on the boards of Open
Society Foundation companies that then served on the board of
media companies, And it's like basically every single company except
Newsmax and Fox and obviously this one, but you know,
it's it's pretty much everywhere. And if you don't believe me,
just type in George or Alex Soros into the search
bar and any mainstream media website and it's either praising
(25:31):
them or claim claiming to debunk a conspiracy against them.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
What do you think his ultimate goal is?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Because it seems like he loves to fund chaos and destabilization.
So if you look at the whole, I mean, from
Jesse Smollett to George Floyd to defunding the police, all
of these I mean even you brought up Jasmine Crockett,
like all of these people, and even going after Donald Trump,
all of these Alvin Bragg, everybody that they have encouraged,
(26:07):
and they have these rogue prosecutors all over the country.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
What is the endgame?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's a tough question to answer because I always feel
like I'm being lazy and saying they just want to
sow chaos because they're evil. But is that not the
most obvious or the simplest explanation. I can't think of
a better one. I mean, I guess you could intellectualize
it by saying, well, they want to burn the whole
system down to then create something new out of it.
But they think they're going to create new out of
it is going to be chaotic anyway, So and their
(26:36):
ideology is deliberately open ended. Like we all remember the
cities burning down in twenty twenty, and you know, it
was over police killing black people, but there was twelve
unarmed black people killed by police in the entire country
that year, and it was it was the all time
low at that point. It was down even eighty percent
just from five years prior. So you could just as
(26:59):
easily say, hey, it was horrible what happened, but in
fact that we've made the most progress on this issue
we've ever had, and it's down every year and it's
heading in the right direction. It's all framing. So you know,
so far as there is one injustice in the entire country,
they can just make chaos out of that and every
I mean there's a million examples you could give of
the left doing this. I mean there were groups that
(27:20):
were and this isn't really chaos related, but there were
groups that were created to oppose to support same sex marriage.
And you know, when same sex marriage got legalized, did
they a go away because hey, we've reached our goal,
time to disband or b did they just champion a
new cause and keep raising money. And the answer is
(27:42):
be they pivoted to well, we now support some vague
notion of tolerance and kindness, and so as long as
there's one video of some kid getting called the slur,
we can continue to raise money. And every single left
wing cause deliberately has no end. There's never a goal.
You could be in a communist country and there's so
going to claim it's not communist enough. So they structure
(28:03):
their activism so it will go on forever. Any goals,
even if they feel they reach them, will always be
portrayed as if they're not reached. So okay, so answer,
I feel like that's my least lazy version.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, I think that's I think that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think that there's we just watch this and so
it seems like he's not necessarily getting where he wants
to go. But what is his ideology? Is he a socialist?
Is he a Marxist? Is he a communist?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Where does he want the country to go?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So he portrays himself just your standard progressive liberal, but
the you know, wall trying to present himself as a moderate.
But I guess given the left today, being a progressive
Democrat is a moderate somehow, I don't know. It doesn't
make any sense. But he has continued funding all of
the radical groups his father is funding. So I mean,
(28:52):
there was an example I gave where he's trying to
portray himself as being moderate on Israel where he's critical
of Israel but is also Clohamas and wants a two
state solution and all that. But he chairs Central European University,
which his father started funds. Still they have their own
university network called the Open Society University Network, where he
(29:15):
partners with other colleges has spread the Open Society sorrows ideology,
and one of them is Al Kuz University where the group,
the terror group Islamic Jihad once held the demonstration where
they were doing Nazi salutes and cursing Israel, and this
was after they partnered with them, so they have never
(29:36):
gotten rid of this partnership. The faculty at the university
has defended it. They regularly hold like Martyr's Day protests
for certain Palestinians who've given up their lives killing Jewish
people and terrorist attacks. And this is a group he
has not broken off that partnership with. So it's hard
to believe unless he's just somehow is not aware of
(29:56):
all of this, in which case he should definitely buy
my book. He's complicit in.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
So the last thing I will ask you is how
much money does he actually play with in every election cycle?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
So it was it's in the single digit. It's below
ten million, more than five million. I apologize for I'm
not no, I don't want to give the exact number
to get it wrong. It was between five and ten million,
and it was actually a bit less. The OSF given
less than in twenty twenty. So, but one of the
things they did was they also started funding news outlets
(30:30):
to promote propaganda. If there's one called Coreer Newsroom, that
was like twenty million, and it was to fund what
was presented as in partial news in swing states that
had a left wing bias. So technically, you know, the
funding the candidates went down, but when you funded it,
when you factored in that other spending, it was actually
among the highest it's ever been. So it depends how
(30:52):
you look in the data. But he went into that
media strategy. The OSF right now has twenty billion dollars
or twenty five billion, I should say, and obviously he's
gotting interests on that every year, so you know, you know,
five percent a year is what one point two five
billion if I'm doing the math. Someone will point it
out in the comments.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But Democrats should have to put in their financial disclosure
their in kind donations and list MSNBC and Washington Post
and all these places. But they couldn't because it would
be way beyond what you can get as an in kind.
I mean, they were talking about them getting hundreds of
millions of dollars worth of media for free because of him.
So when people hear that number, they might think that's
(31:33):
not a huge impact, But what you're saying is so
key because that is where the impact is, and people.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Do trust local news more than national and in fact
that the liberals do own the national media, but generally speaking,
Conservatives have more influence on local news, like through Sinclair
owns a ton of stations and all that. So that
was their attempt to sort of thwart that, and you know,
thank god it didn't work. I mean, one of my
favorite stats from the last election, because I'm in New
(32:01):
Jersey was that the election was closer in Jersey than
in Arizona, meaning like it's you know, what does that
mean when even in Jersey it was I think fifty
two forty eight, Like that's never happened before for a
Republican since I guess the eighty eight or whatever. So
I know, everything is trending, right, It's great.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I guess Americans are actually smart. You can't completely trick
them despite how much money you have. Okay, So the
book is called The Air Inside the Not So Secret
Network of Alex Soros. So tell us when it comes
out how people can get it.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
So it comes out December eighth. I've realized that people
don't like the pre order books, so I'm still trying
to think of like a sales pitch for that. But
one thing I guess.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
They yeah, peoples, that's the perfect gift because it's like
one of those when you don't know what to get someone,
they definitely want. Everybody's guilty pleasure is the gossip about
how this stuff is going on.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Let me redo this. The books out December eighth, right
ahead of Christmas. Get one for your wife, gets two,
Get some for your kids and your family Descember eighth,
locking your purchase. Now, all right, that's my oh one
thing that with the bug I screwed up with the
title because there's a best selling series called The Air
that has sold millions of copies. So of course you
search the book and it's all that. So type Alex
(33:15):
Soros in the search bar and it'll be first.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Okay, all right, you got it. Now pay attention. This
is your Christmas gift everybody. I mean honestly, I would
I would like this as a Christmas gift. So I
think that if I would like it, then the people
listening to this they will also like it.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
So do not agree more.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Matt Palumbo, thank you as always for coming on today,
Always fun, Thank you, always fun, and thank you all
for joining the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others,
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Speaker 2 (33:49):
Have a blessed day.
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