November 10, 2025 • 35 mins
Former FBI special agent & FOX News analyst, Nicole Parker joins Tudor to share her powerful story from inside the Bureau. She reveals how political agendas have influenced the FBI, the challenges of staying true to core values, and the deep role faith played in guiding her through moments of crisis. Parker offers a candid look at the divide between agents driven by integrity and those swayed by politics—and why restoring trust and purpose in law enforcement matters now more than ever. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we
are going to talk all things FBI. And I know
a lot of you started to question what was going
on with the FBI during the Biden administration. It seemed
like it had been politicized and we were questioning, are
we seeing this or is this just like there's just
a few bad actors. Well, today we get to kind
(00:21):
of dive deep into that because we have Nicole Parker
with us. She is a former FBI special agent. She's
now a contributor for Fox News Media, and she's out
with a brand new book and it happens to be
called The Two fbis the Bravery and betrayal I saw
in my time at the Bureau. It's coming out on
November eleventh. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is my pleasure, Tutor. I am excited to talk
to you about the FBI. I think it's something that
you know, a lot of Americans don't know what it's
like to be on the inside, and so I felt
like it was important to share this message.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And absolutely, as I was reading through it, that's exactly
what I was thinking. I'm like, these are stories I
don't know, but I mean even the way you start out.
I have to say the book is very well written.
The way you start out with nine to eleven, and
that moment, it's not just to me, it was beautiful
because it wasn't just this nonfiction story. It was this
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story of faith woven throughout. And that was very powerful
for me because I think oftentimes when we're in those
crisis situations, we say what would we do? And you
immediately start singing. I loved that as you are in
the midst of nine to eleven, you're in the World
Trade Center, you'd just gone to the what you had
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gone from World Trade Center one to another building, and
you start you see all the chaos that's going on.
You said you had images that were burned into your
head that day that you will never forget. But you
start singing a song to the Lord, which I think
is incredible and beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right. So you know, I could not have written this
book without my fate because Frank, my faith and my
trust in God and in Jesus Christ, that is the
foundation of who I am. And yeah, at the age
of twenty three years old, i am. I'm originally from
Texas and I happened to be living in New York
City at the time, working for Merrill Lynch. I was
(02:15):
actually at the World Financial Center. I had gone through
the World Trade Center that morning on my commute, you know,
just an everyday commute, and the morning changed very drastically
at around eight forty six am. And it's hard to
even I'll be honest, I don't speak about it a
whole lot because it's difficult. And I remember after nine
to eleven occurred, Merrill Lynch actually required us to have
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group therapy sessions. They had a therapist come in and
I'll never forget they said, this is something that you
will deal with for the rest of your life. And
so to open up my heart and my soul and
speak about it on a public platform in my book,
it took a lot of strength and courage for me
to do. And so you're exactly right. I talk about
leaving my building after the second Tower was hit and
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realizing that we were under attack. And there was a
song that I learned at the age of three years
old at church, and it's called I Am a Child
of God. And I just remember being so fearful and
terrified of what was going on, and tutor when you
have nowhere to turn, and there's just absolute chaos and pandemonium,
and you know that you are witnessing evil. There's something
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The most comforting place that we can turn to is
to God. And so I did. I started to recite
the lyrics to that song in my heart and my soul,
and it did it. It brought me a sense of
I don't know what's happening right now, where why this
is happening, But God knows you, and he loves you,
and you're going to be okay. And it was it
was that moment in that elevator getting out of my
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building that I decided, Look, if I get out of
here one day, I will stand as a witness of
God and of Jesus Christ, and I will serve my country.
I don't know how, but I want to help and
make lives better for those. You know, if I make
it out today, there's a reason, and I need to
use it to benefit my mind.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Honestly, that was a moment for as I was reading that,
I was thinking of all the moms who and all
the dads who spent that time in nursery and Sunday
school with kids, teaching those songs and teaching scripture, and
we've been told so many times that in a moment,
even if your child gets lost along the way, or
one of the children that you're teaching now gets lost
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along the way, God has a way of bringing these
words to you when you need them that recall that scripture,
that song that pulls you back to Him and in
that moment you are just like, it's just you and God.
And that to me was so powerful because having been
the mom that's been in Sunday school and teaching, I
was like, Okay, all right, God, here's a message right
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here at the very beginning of this book, like keep
doing what you're doing. And I thought that was so
inspirational for this moment where people are going where are
we with faith? And how is faith protecting our kids?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And You're exactly right, those moments do matter. And again
I learned this when I was three and I never
forgot it. And those are moments that when you, like
I said, you have nowhere else to turn, you turn
to God, you turn to what you know, what your
foundational core is. And for those that are out there,
I too, am very active in my faith and there's
been a period of time where I oversaw all of
the children ages three to eleven, and I have never
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forgotten that as well, because I explained to them look
for myself when I was in my darkest moment, this
is where I turned. And so you know, sometimes as
a parent or a Sunday school teacher, you think does
this really matter? And I'm here to reassure you as
a witness, it does matter. And it was a place
that I was able to turn for peace. And so
keep doing what you're doing because your children do listen.
(05:40):
You may not think that they're listening or paying attention.
I can tell you I was an active body child.
I was crazy and wild, but I never forgot that song.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So in that moment you make a promise. Did you
think that promise was the FBI?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
How did that happen? How do you get from there
and lnt to you? I mean you are like not
to I don't know how othered out to say it,
but you are like really badass. I was reading this book.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'm like, she just jumps out of a vehicle after
she gets slammed by a car and chases a bad
guy down, and like this car slams right into you
and you're like I looked at my arms in my
hands to see if I was injured, and then I
got up and just chase the guy down.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm like, this woman is amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well again, sometimes you don't have a choice. And that's
the other theme of my book and theme of my life.
You know, sometimes you find yourself in situations and you're like,
look what am I gonna do? Am I gonna cater
to this? And you know what I just went through?
Or am I going to stand strong and keep going?
And I think that's a very powerful message in life.
But you know, you asked about kind of my path,
and I have to tell you that maybe your life
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has turned out the way that you planned it. Mine
certainly has not. And I think that that's a message
that probably will penetrate into people's souls because I think
a lot of people had a certain, you know, picture
for how their life was going to be, and then
God has a different plan for you. And they always say,
don't make plans because God's going to laugh at you.
Like I envision myself. I come from a very large family.
(07:12):
You know, I'm going to go to college, I'm going
to get married, I'm going to have a beautiful, large
family like my mom. And you know, I probably won't
have a real career. I'll probably you know, do what
I need to do to support my family, but I'm
going to watch over my kids. To this day, I
have never been married, I do not have children, and
so I'm not saying my life is any less than
what it could have been. But what I am saying
(07:33):
is that sometimes you don't get what you want or
plan for. But again it comes back to faith. God
knows what he's doing, he knows where he needs you,
and if you are willing to be an instrument in
his hands, he is going to use you. And so
I did. I went through. I worked at Merrill Lynch.
I ended up going and working at a Bank of
America Securities. You know, I got a beautiful, big promotion.
(07:55):
But was I looking for it. No, But it came
to me and I took it and the best that
I could, and I ran with it. And then I decided,
you know, maybe I should moved to the West Coast.
I had a sister that was out in Orange County,
so I went from New York. I went to Los Angeles.
I worked for a hedge fund, a multi billion dollar
hedge fund and again I worked very hard, but there
was that inner part of me that said, you know, Nicole,
(08:17):
what are you doing to keep that promise that you
made on that elevator to God? Are you really making
a contribution? And again, there's nothing wrong with working in finance.
We needed to keep our economy going. I believe in
free markets and capitalism and success in the American dream.
But for me, I just didn't feel like I was
doing exactly what I needed to do. And so, you know,
I made a bold decision, and my dad sat me
(08:39):
down one day I was visiting Texas and he said,
you know, Nicole, this is not a knock on anyone
that works for hedge funds. I have nothing against that,
but he said, you know, there are reasons that a
lot of people work there, power, prestige, money, and frankly,
you're not driven by any of those, So what are
you doing? And I thought, you know, you're right, But
I knew I wanted to get back, I just wasn't
(09:00):
sure how. And believe it or not, it was a
friend from Wall Street. I went and visited New York
City and I met up with an old friend and
he said, you know, Nicole, have you ever thought about
applying to the FBI? And I said, no, I have not,
Like that's never crossed my mind. I do not come
from a law enforcement family, and I've always loved and
respected law enforcement. But I didn't even really know a
(09:20):
lot about the FBI. Frankly, I never watched the movies
the TV shows. It just wasn't what I was necessarily
interested in. But I did know an FBI agent back
in Los Angeles, and he always had very cool stories.
I'm not gonna lie, and I talk about it in
the book, like I remember one time seeing his gun
on his ankle holster at a party and I was like,
no way, you have a gun underneath your jens on
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your ankle. And I thought about it and I prayed
about it, and I thought, you know what, why not?
Like sure, I'll apply, Like you know, the chances of
getting in are pretty much zero, but I'm the type
of person it doesn't hurt to try, and so I did.
I went through the application process, and believe it or not,
seven eight months later, I was on my way to Quantaco.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
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more after this. It's interesting because as I'm listening to this,
I see how that seed was planted on that day,
I mean, a terrible day on September eleventh. God plants
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a seed and it's just showing that God is working
through all things for good. So here he plants that seed,
your dad comes to you and gives you that nudge,
that reminder, which you know, the Father sends, the Father,
earthly Father. I think that's a beautiful vision right there,
to see that, and then you go to a friend
just right after that and he says, this is where
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you need to be, and you take that. I mean,
it just it's beautiful to meet to watch how that
seat that goes from a seed to growing into what
really needed to happen. And then and as you start
the book, you start I think the powerful story of
the two young girls was a great place to start
because I don't know that about the FBI. You know,
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we think of the FBI as getting the bad guys,
but we don't think about the collateral damage that you're
picking up and you're carrying through, and that in this
case was children. I think about that. I'm like, you know,
even if God had you in that place for just
those two children, maybe it's not about you. Maybe they
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were going to go on to do something great for
the Lord.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I because I think about that in my own life,
like when I've gone through these trials, was it for me?
Or was I just a stepping stone for something else
great to happen? You know? But you went in there
and you fought for kids. That's the side of the
FBI that we don't see, right, And.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So look, I in all humility again, God, if we
are willing. Every day I wake up and I pray,
Heavenly Father, please help me to use me as an
instrument in thy hands for good. What can I do
today to help other people? Because I have been so blessed. Sorry,
I've been so blessed by others and I owe it.
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I owe it to others to pay back. Sorry. So
that morning, yeah, it was I remember I was complaining
because I thought, why am I going on this operation
that's an hour from my house. There's one right by
my house. Five minutes away. Why do I have to
do this? You know, we always ask why, shut your
mouth and trust, And that's what I've learned to do
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in my life, Stop asking and start trusting. And it's
something that I needed to learn. But I think on
the broader spectrum, there really are two fbis Tutor, and
I'm not going to discount that. I think the book
it would be, you know, kind of what people would expect.
You open the book and I just start blasting James. Comey, Okay,
that does happen in the book, by the way, But
I wait because I think it's important to have a
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foundation of who I am and who others in FBI
one are. It's not just a book about me. I
represent so many thousands of other really good, solid FBI
agents and that's what this is about. There are so
many people that came to the FBI with true and
pure motives, like myself, to genuinely serve our country that
we love. And so I think the distinction between FBI
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one agents, even support staff, analysts, employees who came to
the FBI trying to serve to protect Americans, to uphold
the Constitution in a fair and unbiased manner, and that's
what we want to do. And then on the flip side,
you have FBI too, and there's a very clear distinction.
FBI two. I would see it all the time. It
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goes the full range, very egotistical, very self serving, pushing
their own political and social agendas to get what they want.
They will do anything at all costs to a emplish
what they need to do to take down individuals that
they personally do not like. And that's not right. That's
not the oath that I took. It doesn't matter where
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you stand on the political spectrum, you have to have
the integrity to uphold the Constitution in a fair and
unbiased manner. Lady justice must be blind, and with time,
that is not what I was seeing at the FBI.
So I think it's important for Americas to know that
there really are two fbis, and I have been one.
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I walked away from the agency because it was such
a disaster under the Biden administration two years in. I'm like,
you know what, this is not going to get any better.
I am out. But to discount the good work of
the fine men and women who are doing honest work,
I just don't think that's fair and I've been blessed
with the opportunity to leave the FBI. Okay, yes, I
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left my pension on the table, and frankly, I didn't
come to the FBI for a pension, and I talk
about that in the book. But why should someone who
has come to the FBI and served with honor, and
they some of them have, you know, five children, their
wife doesn't work, and so they have to all walk
away from the FBI after they've worked so hard for
twenty years and then some administration comes in and wrecks it.
(16:14):
So I would always hear that complaint, Well, why are
you the only one speaking up? Look, I can't speak
on other people's behalves. All I can tell you is
that there are good people even to this day that
are trying to hold the line at the FBI. And
so that first story that we started with, it was
actually my publisher, my editor, he said, you know, because
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we were originally going to start with nine to eleven,
and she's like, you know, I feel strongly that we
should actually start with a very positive story that my
open people's minds from the beginning of what FBI won
is all about. And so I appreciate that you you
know mentioned that story Did I save the day?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I didn't, And there were a lot of people involved
in that, you know, and people. I hope you'll read
the book and understand what I'm talking about. I'm not
going to go into depths of this.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's what That's what I think is so important. You
have to read the book because when you get to
that story, you see God in such a pronounced way
you can't you can't see it any other way. And
that's that is also, like I said, the beauty of
this book is that you aren't taking credit. You were
always saying, look, there was a miracle here, there was
something amazing here, like God was on this path. And
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even conversations that you ended up with an outcome that
you didn't want, those conversations were at critical moments that
changed your life. And I think that it's amazing as
you take us through that we can see not only
the change in the FBI but your faith along the way.
(17:46):
You talk about FBI wan and FBI two, and I
want to make that clear to our audience. This is
your terminology. There's not officially an FBI wan an FBI two.
This is what you've seen because you saw an institution
that was sworn to protect America that seems to be
compromised from within. I mean, you even quote Abraham Lincoln,
a house divided against itself cannot stand in the book
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you are. I mean, that's a bold statement that there
are two fbis right now, and this it sounds like
the one is like rotting from the core.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, and like I said, I can't tell you exact percentage,
is right? People always asking me, okay, and again FBI
one FBI two is something I have coined that phrase
I should trademarket, probably because a lot of people at
the FBI that I'm friends with now are like, oh,
they're totally FBI two or oh they're FBI one.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean, that's honestly how prevalent it is. I mean,
that's that's how obvious it is to people.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They're so sad that it's so prevalent. But the percentages,
people say, what percentage I would have said in the past,
it was like, you know, maybe thirty percent FBI two.
Then I would say it up to like fifty percent
FBI two. It could be surpassing fifty percent at this point.
The saving grace that we have is that we have
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a new administration that's come in and I think they
have been working tirelessly and I know that, you know,
at the end of the book I talk about my
goal is for there to be one FBI. FBI one
should be the only thing that exists. But as you mentioned,
I you know, it takes time, and there I kind
of talk about it is almost like an internal civil war,
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because when you're imagine this, you're working tirelessly day and night,
twenty four to seven. Sometimes literally it felt like that.
I'd say there were many times that I can remember
not even sleeping, you know, I'd just go a couple days,
at least, maybe two and a half days, mos State
three days and again, doctors, first responders, they do this
sort of thing all the time. I'm not trying to
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throw a pity party here, but I don't think people
in vision that that's what the FBI is doing. And frankly,
I'll be honest, a lot of the FBI's not doing that.
I worked in a very dynamic division being in FBI Miami.
It was extremely busy. It was a complete adrenaline rush.
A lot of times, it's very what we call it
running and gunning, like we were going pretty much full throttle.
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I can't say that that's probably the same and smaller
field offices where there's not aso much activity. So again,
to be fair, and I've worked multiple mass shootings, I'd
say a lot of things that I was exposed to.
A lot of agents are never exposed to that in
their entire career. They could work for thirty years as
a special agent and they don't see that sort of thing.
So I think my experience is somewhat unique. But I also, again,
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I cannot discount how hard people work. So imagine that
you're going to work, and this is a job where
you've got to be on point every moment. Especially I
was working on the South Florida Violent Crime Fugitive Task Force.
I'm armed at all times. You can't ever have an
off day. If you have an off day, you could die,
Others around you could die, and so you've got to
be on point all the time. So imagine you're working,
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you know, two days in a row, no sleep, You're
you're working with victims of human trafficking, whatever it might be,
and then you go home and you turn on the
news and all you see is how horrible the FBI
is and again I have been on Fox News. I
had blatantly blasted the FBI for things that they've done wrong.
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But I always make that clear distinction. There are people
that are still trying to do it's right. And so
I thought, you know, it would be fair for America
to see from an insider's perspective that, yes, even internally, tutor,
I don't even trust the FBI. I don't trust FBI too,
and I even work there. Well the way Americans for
not trusting the FBI, because I worked in and I
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don't trust the FBI either, And that's why I had
to get out.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
As I was reading kind of the change, it seemed
like where you felt like there was a change, it
was almost Orwellian. It's like, you know, the pandemic hits,
and these people it's almost like put your mask on, comrade,
you know, and they're they're gonna they're gonna come after
you if you don't. But I thought the most striking
thing was when you said it was shocking to me
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to see these businesses being burned down in Minneapolis and
FBI agents cheering it on instead of feeling that they
needed to rush in and save the people whose businesses
were being burned down. That seemed like a moment for you.
Where you went, things are really different.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I It frustrated me to no end because, again, I
tune into the news. I like to know what's going on,
and even as an FBI agent, I know a lot
of things that are going on that's not on the news.
But I watched cities burning to the ground for months,
and I sat there on my couch and I'm like,
why am I not getting called by Director Ray? Why
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is there not an all hands on deck from the
FBI that we should all be out there helping. We're
just watching our country burn to the ground. But during
the same timeframe shortly thereafter, when January sixth occurs, all
hands on deck. You know, we need people to volunteer.
We need people to come to DC month after month
after month, year after year. Why was there not the
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same enthusiasm and big for them burning our country to
the ground during the summer of twenty twenty, which lasted
I feel like for months and months and months. But
then January sixth comes around and it's like, Okay, we
need everyone, all hands on deck, we need volunteers to
come to WFO which is the Washington Field Office in DC.
It was such a stark contrast to me to see
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how they reacted to different things. That was just one
thing that happened at the FBI that was just so blatant,
and I thought, this is so obvious what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, it seems to me today that the political motive
behind actions on I mean, I would say on the
Democrat side is there's no shame in having a political motive.
We had one of our representatives and I can't remember
who it was, came out yesterday and said, we believe
that keeping the government shut down is the best possible
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situation for the midterms right now. And I thought, how
can you say that about people's lives like you are
making a everything is a political calculation now, and we're
seeing it's very frustrating for people like you who went
into this for the right reasons to help people, and
you see this blatant expression of political support for these
(24:13):
I guess movements rather than for the American people. You
talk about the FBI, you're talking about the differences between
the FBI and twenty twenty and the FBI on January sixth,
and twenty twenty one you talk about the FBI kneeling
with BLM, and they were called Neil Team six, which
was interesting because they're not allowed to do that, and
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yet they were not reprimanded. In fact, they were rewarded
for that.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That was absolutely appalling. It was a defining moment again
for me. That was June fourth of twenty twenty. They
literally were tasked with guarding buildings and monuments in Washington, DC,
and there were several agents that were signed to do
this out of Washington, Okay, to see that on the
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national level go viral that multiple individuals were kneeling to
be al on protesters and they claimed that it was
because they were in fear for their lives and they
were scared. Tutor, It's to me, it doesn't look very
fearful when you're laughing, smiling, clapping, cheering. Nothing fearful about that.
And then I knew other agents from WFO who were
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at buildings, you know, next door in the immediate areas.
They said, Nicole, we weren't kneeling. We were not kneeling.
So for them to make it seem like these rioters
were coming at them and attacking them, no, they were
willingly kneeling in their FBI ballistic vests. And that's against protocol.
That's not appropriate. We are not allowed to make social
(25:47):
or political statements in our FBI gear while we are
on duty, and to be kneeling and clapping and cheering,
and like you said, what made me so disgusted. Okay,
they should do that, and we're all like, they're going
to get fired. These people are going to get fired,
They're going to get reprimanded. That's an embarrassment to our agency.
That's not proper judgment at the FBI. You're supposed to
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have good judgment, like you said, not only did they
not get fired, they were promoted. Many of them were
promoted to positions that are highly competitive that people want,
you know, a lap positions and foreign countries. I think
one was promoted to a position in Australia barely very
highly sought after positions, you know, other managerial roles. And
(26:29):
then also the FBI Agents Association offered them one hundred
dollars gift cards.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I just I can't believe it, but a gift card
for you know, to me, that is a very bold
statement because one hundred dollars gift card doesn't have to happen.
It was a very political move and like I said,
good job, comrade.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And again looking from the outside and then and then
you're looking at agents like myself and people that I
worked with who and I I don't know if we're
going to talk about it here, but my best friend
the FBI is dead. Okay, she lost her life. She
was shot in the head while executing a search warrant
against a child predator. Okay. Do you think that there
(27:14):
were gift cards for the squad and others that were
there that day for the distress that they experienced. I mean,
it's just like insulting, right and shocked that story.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Is that they didn't pay for her funeral. Not not
only were there no gift cards, the FBI didn't pay
for the funeral.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I have to tell you there were many breaking points
for me, and I appreciate you having read through it
that you can pick up on the points that were
most appalling and abhorrent to me as well. When the
FBI has all of this money for January six investigations,
because remember this is around the same timeframe January six investigations,
(27:55):
the DEI programs were off the charts. Okay, there were
like nineteen different clubs, programs, and social groups, and we
were getting emails NonStop about them. You don't have the
decency to pay for the memorial service for these two agents. Okay,
that to me is wrong. FBI. You find the money.
You managed to find money for everything else, you can't
(28:18):
find the money to pay honor to two FBI agents
who were killed adversarially in the line of duty for
the first time. We hadn't had adversarial deaths in thirteen
or fourteen years. Okay, this is a big deal. And
that was a very defining moment for me where I thought, Okay,
not only did this, this shouldn't have even happened in
(28:38):
the first place. And again I detailed that very clearly
in the book. I won't go into the details right now,
but it shouldn't have happened in the first place. But
it happened. And the way that you're handling it, they
didn't even do an after action review, Christopher Rain, no
after action review. It was as if it never even happened,
And I thought, why is this? You know, there were
some little meetings that were going going on in different
(29:00):
field offices around the country ATBI Miami, which is where
I was where it occurred, no after action review, and
I kept asking, when are we going to be told
what happened? Shouldn't we be doing something to mitigate risk
going for which shouldn't we understand the mistake what led
to this? That's when I said, you know what, it's
time to go. And I waited patiently, I talk about it.
(29:21):
I had made the decision I'm going to leave, and
then I went and talked to management and they said, no, no, no,
we think you're making an emotional decision. I gave them
an additional eleven months. Things got worse, and I said,
you know what, I'm out and that was it. So
it was it was a culmination of things. But in
the book, you see it starts off again with my background,
my faith. You know what led me to the FBI,
(29:42):
the training, the application process because I think that's interesting
to people. And then you kind of see for me,
the defining moment was Jim Comey on July fifth to
twenty sixteen. That's when I first realized that the FBI
was politically weaponized. Was back then, and then I kind
of go through it. But as the book progresses, and
especially at the very end, it's like two FBI two,
FBI two. There really was nothing about FBI one I
(30:04):
could even write at at the end of the book.
So you see it progress from FBI one, FBI two
starts creeping in, and then FBI two takes over.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But you even see you still see God's hand through that.
Because the conversations that you had with Laura just before
she is killed in that shootout, just just hours before that,
there was an understanding you weren't alone. She was making
the point. I thought it was very powerful that you
(30:33):
were seeing inside the FBI, because we kind of felt
like we were seeing this but we were alone, and
we were also not allowed to talk about it. Was
that you make a great You made this great point
that she said, you know, for the people who had
broken windows and really destroyed parts of the Capitol on
January sixth, she said, I believe that they should face
(30:54):
consequences for that, but I will not arrest someone for
a political motive that was just outside that day, that
had not done anything that day. And yet you guys
were seeing that happening, and we were saying this is happening.
People were like, don't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Don't you say that it was happening, and not only
did you feel like you couldn't talk about it, we
internally don't talk about it. You if you don't agree
with what they're doing, you now have a target on
your back. Is how we all felt. And so that
really was how it felt. I felt like every day
(31:30):
that I went there, that I was in the twilight zone,
Like I was like, do I work at the FBI,
Like what is this? Like this is so unrecognizable to me.
And again, I think it's important for people to understand
I'm not just talking about it from oh, this is
what I think was happening. I know it was happening
because I lived it and I am an honest person
(31:51):
and I speak the truth. And it happened, and it
was so disturbing, and it was almost like this internal struggle,
like I don't agree with what's happening here. And I
think a lot of people said, oh, you know, but
I'm and I did it myself and I'm not faulting
myself or anyone. But it's like, you know, I'm not
really involved in that, like we're working in real cases.
Like we just tried to, you know, turn away from
(32:14):
it and just focus on FBI one work, but it
became so overwhelming and so loud that it's like you
couldn't even focus on your job anymore, and like, what's
the point. We would go out to do interviews, people
would be like, I'm sorry, are you like Peter Struck
and Lisa Page because I don't trust the FBI, and
they'd slam the door in our face. That's not how
it used to be. It used to be that you'd
(32:34):
showed up at someone's door, you show your gun, and
you don't show your gun, but your gun's there. You're bad.
You show your credentials, and they'd be like, oh, FBI,
you know, and it was somewhat like a respectful thing.
At the end, it was like FBI, huh whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. This book is coming out on
November eleventh. We want people to read this because, first
of all, you'll go, Okay, I wasn't crazy, not crazy,
but you get to see to me, it's so much
more valuable than that. There is that vindication that we
(33:10):
know that there's something else going on, but also something
that most of us will never see, which is exactly
what you just said, what it is on the inside,
and not just the bad moments, but the incredible things
that our FBI does and the reason it should be
respected and the reason we need the FBI to return
to FBI one. So it's called the two fbis the
(33:32):
bravery and betrayal I saw in my time at the bureau.
Can you tell us like a little bit about where
they can get it, how they can follow you? All
the information there?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Sure? So It's available on Amazon dot com, Target dot com,
Walmart dot com, Barnsondoble dot com starting November eleventh. You
can purchase it in stores and you can follow me.
I'm on Instagram and x at Nicole Parker USA.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Nicole Parker, you are an amazing woman. Thank you for
sharing your story. Thank you for your story of faith.
I mean, honestly, I think that to me was the
most impactful because I want that for my kids every day.
I want them to be focusing on God. And the
way you tell the story is to constantly be looking
to Him and asking him and relying on him. And
(34:22):
I think oftentimes we look at our FBI agents We're like, oh,
they are doing this all in their own power. Was
so awesome to see that you were doing this with
the Holy Spirit. That was amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that I without God,
i am nothing. I am nothing, and with God, even
in our darkest moments, we will survive. And I do
believe there's a battle between good and evil, and I
truly believe that in the end, good and God and
Jesus one.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
That is an amazing message. Thank you, Thank you so much,
and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
As always, for this episode and others, go to Tutor
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You are listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we
are going to talk all things FBI. And I know
a lot of you started to question what was going
on with the FBI during the Biden administration. It seemed
like it had been politicized and we were questioning, are
we seeing this or is this just like there's just
a few bad actors. Well, today we get to kind
(00:21):
of dive deep into that because we have Nicole Parker
with us. She is a former FBI special agent. She's
now a contributor for Fox News Media, and she's out
with a brand new book and it happens to be
called The Two fbis the Bravery and betrayal I saw
in my time at the Bureau. It's coming out on
November eleventh. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is my pleasure, Tutor. I am excited to talk
to you about the FBI. I think it's something that
you know, a lot of Americans don't know what it's
like to be on the inside, and so I felt
like it was important to share this message.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And absolutely, as I was reading through it, that's exactly
what I was thinking. I'm like, these are stories I
don't know, but I mean even the way you start out.
I have to say the book is very well written.
The way you start out with nine to eleven, and
that moment, it's not just to me, it was beautiful
because it wasn't just this nonfiction story. It was this
(01:17):
story of faith woven throughout. And that was very powerful
for me because I think oftentimes when we're in those
crisis situations, we say what would we do? And you
immediately start singing. I loved that as you are in
the midst of nine to eleven, you're in the World
Trade Center, you'd just gone to the what you had
(01:37):
gone from World Trade Center one to another building, and
you start you see all the chaos that's going on.
You said you had images that were burned into your
head that day that you will never forget. But you
start singing a song to the Lord, which I think
is incredible and beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Right. So you know, I could not have written this
book without my fate because Frank, my faith and my
trust in God and in Jesus Christ, that is the
foundation of who I am. And yeah, at the age
of twenty three years old, i am. I'm originally from
Texas and I happened to be living in New York
City at the time, working for Merrill Lynch. I was
(02:15):
actually at the World Financial Center. I had gone through
the World Trade Center that morning on my commute, you know,
just an everyday commute, and the morning changed very drastically
at around eight forty six am. And it's hard to
even I'll be honest, I don't speak about it a
whole lot because it's difficult. And I remember after nine
to eleven occurred, Merrill Lynch actually required us to have
(02:38):
group therapy sessions. They had a therapist come in and
I'll never forget they said, this is something that you
will deal with for the rest of your life. And
so to open up my heart and my soul and
speak about it on a public platform in my book,
it took a lot of strength and courage for me
to do. And so you're exactly right. I talk about
leaving my building after the second Tower was hit and
(03:00):
realizing that we were under attack. And there was a
song that I learned at the age of three years
old at church, and it's called I Am a Child
of God. And I just remember being so fearful and
terrified of what was going on, and tutor when you
have nowhere to turn, and there's just absolute chaos and pandemonium,
and you know that you are witnessing evil. There's something
(03:22):
The most comforting place that we can turn to is
to God. And so I did. I started to recite
the lyrics to that song in my heart and my soul,
and it did it. It brought me a sense of
I don't know what's happening right now, where why this
is happening, But God knows you, and he loves you,
and you're going to be okay. And it was it
was that moment in that elevator getting out of my
(03:42):
building that I decided, Look, if I get out of
here one day, I will stand as a witness of
God and of Jesus Christ, and I will serve my country.
I don't know how, but I want to help and
make lives better for those. You know, if I make
it out today, there's a reason, and I need to
use it to benefit my mind.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Honestly, that was a moment for as I was reading that,
I was thinking of all the moms who and all
the dads who spent that time in nursery and Sunday
school with kids, teaching those songs and teaching scripture, and
we've been told so many times that in a moment,
even if your child gets lost along the way, or
one of the children that you're teaching now gets lost
(04:22):
along the way, God has a way of bringing these
words to you when you need them that recall that scripture,
that song that pulls you back to Him and in
that moment you are just like, it's just you and God.
And that to me was so powerful because having been
the mom that's been in Sunday school and teaching, I
was like, Okay, all right, God, here's a message right
(04:43):
here at the very beginning of this book, like keep
doing what you're doing. And I thought that was so
inspirational for this moment where people are going where are
we with faith? And how is faith protecting our kids?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And You're exactly right, those moments do matter. And again
I learned this when I was three and I never
forgot it. And those are moments that when you, like
I said, you have nowhere else to turn, you turn
to God, you turn to what you know, what your
foundational core is. And for those that are out there,
I too, am very active in my faith and there's
been a period of time where I oversaw all of
the children ages three to eleven, and I have never
(05:18):
forgotten that as well, because I explained to them look
for myself when I was in my darkest moment, this
is where I turned. And so you know, sometimes as
a parent or a Sunday school teacher, you think does
this really matter? And I'm here to reassure you as
a witness, it does matter. And it was a place
that I was able to turn for peace. And so
keep doing what you're doing because your children do listen.
(05:40):
You may not think that they're listening or paying attention.
I can tell you I was an active body child.
I was crazy and wild, but I never forgot that song.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So in that moment you make a promise. Did you
think that promise was the FBI?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
How did that happen? How do you get from there
and lnt to you? I mean you are like not
to I don't know how othered out to say it,
but you are like really badass. I was reading this book.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'm like, she just jumps out of a vehicle after
she gets slammed by a car and chases a bad
guy down, and like this car slams right into you
and you're like I looked at my arms in my
hands to see if I was injured, and then I
got up and just chase the guy down.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm like, this woman is amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well again, sometimes you don't have a choice. And that's
the other theme of my book and theme of my life.
You know, sometimes you find yourself in situations and you're like,
look what am I gonna do? Am I gonna cater
to this? And you know what I just went through?
Or am I going to stand strong and keep going?
And I think that's a very powerful message in life.
But you know, you asked about kind of my path,
and I have to tell you that maybe your life
(06:50):
has turned out the way that you planned it. Mine
certainly has not. And I think that that's a message
that probably will penetrate into people's souls because I think
a lot of people had a certain, you know, picture
for how their life was going to be, and then
God has a different plan for you. And they always say,
don't make plans because God's going to laugh at you.
Like I envision myself. I come from a very large family.
(07:12):
You know, I'm going to go to college, I'm going
to get married, I'm going to have a beautiful, large
family like my mom. And you know, I probably won't
have a real career. I'll probably you know, do what
I need to do to support my family, but I'm
going to watch over my kids. To this day, I
have never been married, I do not have children, and
so I'm not saying my life is any less than
what it could have been. But what I am saying
(07:33):
is that sometimes you don't get what you want or
plan for. But again it comes back to faith. God
knows what he's doing, he knows where he needs you,
and if you are willing to be an instrument in
his hands, he is going to use you. And so
I did. I went through. I worked at Merrill Lynch.
I ended up going and working at a Bank of
America Securities. You know, I got a beautiful, big promotion.
(07:55):
But was I looking for it. No, But it came
to me and I took it and the best that
I could, and I ran with it. And then I decided,
you know, maybe I should moved to the West Coast.
I had a sister that was out in Orange County,
so I went from New York. I went to Los Angeles.
I worked for a hedge fund, a multi billion dollar
hedge fund and again I worked very hard, but there
was that inner part of me that said, you know, Nicole,
(08:17):
what are you doing to keep that promise that you
made on that elevator to God? Are you really making
a contribution? And again, there's nothing wrong with working in finance.
We needed to keep our economy going. I believe in
free markets and capitalism and success in the American dream.
But for me, I just didn't feel like I was
doing exactly what I needed to do. And so, you know,
I made a bold decision, and my dad sat me
(08:39):
down one day I was visiting Texas and he said,
you know, Nicole, this is not a knock on anyone
that works for hedge funds. I have nothing against that,
but he said, you know, there are reasons that a
lot of people work there, power, prestige, money, and frankly,
you're not driven by any of those, So what are
you doing? And I thought, you know, you're right, But
I knew I wanted to get back, I just wasn't
(09:00):
sure how. And believe it or not, it was a
friend from Wall Street. I went and visited New York
City and I met up with an old friend and
he said, you know, Nicole, have you ever thought about
applying to the FBI? And I said, no, I have not,
Like that's never crossed my mind. I do not come
from a law enforcement family, and I've always loved and
respected law enforcement. But I didn't even really know a
(09:20):
lot about the FBI. Frankly, I never watched the movies
the TV shows. It just wasn't what I was necessarily
interested in. But I did know an FBI agent back
in Los Angeles, and he always had very cool stories.
I'm not gonna lie, and I talk about it in
the book, like I remember one time seeing his gun
on his ankle holster at a party and I was like,
no way, you have a gun underneath your jens on
(09:42):
your ankle. And I thought about it and I prayed
about it, and I thought, you know what, why not?
Like sure, I'll apply, Like you know, the chances of
getting in are pretty much zero, but I'm the type
of person it doesn't hurt to try, and so I did.
I went through the application process, and believe it or not,
seven eight months later, I was on my way to Quantaco.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
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more after this. It's interesting because as I'm listening to this,
I see how that seed was planted on that day,
I mean, a terrible day on September eleventh. God plants
(11:34):
a seed and it's just showing that God is working
through all things for good. So here he plants that seed,
your dad comes to you and gives you that nudge,
that reminder, which you know, the Father sends, the Father,
earthly Father. I think that's a beautiful vision right there,
to see that, and then you go to a friend
just right after that and he says, this is where
(11:55):
you need to be, and you take that. I mean,
it just it's beautiful to meet to watch how that
seat that goes from a seed to growing into what
really needed to happen. And then and as you start
the book, you start I think the powerful story of
the two young girls was a great place to start
because I don't know that about the FBI. You know,
(12:17):
we think of the FBI as getting the bad guys,
but we don't think about the collateral damage that you're
picking up and you're carrying through, and that in this
case was children. I think about that. I'm like, you know,
even if God had you in that place for just
those two children, maybe it's not about you. Maybe they
(12:37):
were going to go on to do something great for
the Lord.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I because I think about that in my own life,
like when I've gone through these trials, was it for me?
Or was I just a stepping stone for something else
great to happen? You know? But you went in there
and you fought for kids. That's the side of the
FBI that we don't see, right, And.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So look, I in all humility again, God, if we
are willing. Every day I wake up and I pray,
Heavenly Father, please help me to use me as an
instrument in thy hands for good. What can I do
today to help other people? Because I have been so blessed. Sorry,
I've been so blessed by others and I owe it.
(13:23):
I owe it to others to pay back. Sorry. So
that morning, yeah, it was I remember I was complaining
because I thought, why am I going on this operation
that's an hour from my house. There's one right by
my house. Five minutes away. Why do I have to
do this? You know, we always ask why, shut your
mouth and trust, And that's what I've learned to do
(13:45):
in my life, Stop asking and start trusting. And it's
something that I needed to learn. But I think on
the broader spectrum, there really are two fbis Tutor, and
I'm not going to discount that. I think the book
it would be, you know, kind of what people would expect.
You open the book and I just start blasting James. Comey, Okay,
that does happen in the book, by the way, But
I wait because I think it's important to have a
(14:07):
foundation of who I am and who others in FBI
one are. It's not just a book about me. I
represent so many thousands of other really good, solid FBI
agents and that's what this is about. There are so
many people that came to the FBI with true and
pure motives, like myself, to genuinely serve our country that
we love. And so I think the distinction between FBI
(14:27):
one agents, even support staff, analysts, employees who came to
the FBI trying to serve to protect Americans, to uphold
the Constitution in a fair and unbiased manner, and that's
what we want to do. And then on the flip side,
you have FBI too, and there's a very clear distinction.
FBI two. I would see it all the time. It
(14:47):
goes the full range, very egotistical, very self serving, pushing
their own political and social agendas to get what they want.
They will do anything at all costs to a emplish
what they need to do to take down individuals that
they personally do not like. And that's not right. That's
not the oath that I took. It doesn't matter where
(15:09):
you stand on the political spectrum, you have to have
the integrity to uphold the Constitution in a fair and
unbiased manner. Lady justice must be blind, and with time,
that is not what I was seeing at the FBI.
So I think it's important for Americas to know that
there really are two fbis, and I have been one.
(15:30):
I walked away from the agency because it was such
a disaster under the Biden administration two years in. I'm like,
you know what, this is not going to get any better.
I am out. But to discount the good work of
the fine men and women who are doing honest work,
I just don't think that's fair and I've been blessed
with the opportunity to leave the FBI. Okay, yes, I
(15:52):
left my pension on the table, and frankly, I didn't
come to the FBI for a pension, and I talk
about that in the book. But why should someone who
has come to the FBI and served with honor, and
they some of them have, you know, five children, their
wife doesn't work, and so they have to all walk
away from the FBI after they've worked so hard for
twenty years and then some administration comes in and wrecks it.
(16:14):
So I would always hear that complaint, Well, why are
you the only one speaking up? Look, I can't speak
on other people's behalves. All I can tell you is
that there are good people even to this day that
are trying to hold the line at the FBI. And
so that first story that we started with, it was
actually my publisher, my editor, he said, you know, because
(16:35):
we were originally going to start with nine to eleven,
and she's like, you know, I feel strongly that we
should actually start with a very positive story that my
open people's minds from the beginning of what FBI won
is all about. And so I appreciate that you you
know mentioned that story Did I save the day?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I didn't, And there were a lot of people involved
in that, you know, and people. I hope you'll read
the book and understand what I'm talking about. I'm not
going to go into depths of this.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's what That's what I think is so important. You
have to read the book because when you get to
that story, you see God in such a pronounced way
you can't you can't see it any other way. And
that's that is also, like I said, the beauty of
this book is that you aren't taking credit. You were
always saying, look, there was a miracle here, there was
something amazing here, like God was on this path. And
(17:25):
even conversations that you ended up with an outcome that
you didn't want, those conversations were at critical moments that
changed your life. And I think that it's amazing as
you take us through that we can see not only
the change in the FBI but your faith along the way.
(17:46):
You talk about FBI wan and FBI two, and I
want to make that clear to our audience. This is
your terminology. There's not officially an FBI wan an FBI two.
This is what you've seen because you saw an institution
that was sworn to protect America that seems to be
compromised from within. I mean, you even quote Abraham Lincoln,
a house divided against itself cannot stand in the book
(18:09):
you are. I mean, that's a bold statement that there
are two fbis right now, and this it sounds like
the one is like rotting from the core.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, and like I said, I can't tell you exact percentage,
is right? People always asking me, okay, and again FBI
one FBI two is something I have coined that phrase
I should trademarket, probably because a lot of people at
the FBI that I'm friends with now are like, oh,
they're totally FBI two or oh they're FBI one.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean, that's honestly how prevalent it is. I mean,
that's that's how obvious it is to people.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
They're so sad that it's so prevalent. But the percentages,
people say, what percentage I would have said in the past,
it was like, you know, maybe thirty percent FBI two.
Then I would say it up to like fifty percent
FBI two. It could be surpassing fifty percent at this point.
The saving grace that we have is that we have
(19:02):
a new administration that's come in and I think they
have been working tirelessly and I know that, you know,
at the end of the book I talk about my
goal is for there to be one FBI. FBI one
should be the only thing that exists. But as you mentioned,
I you know, it takes time, and there I kind
of talk about it is almost like an internal civil war,
(19:25):
because when you're imagine this, you're working tirelessly day and night,
twenty four to seven. Sometimes literally it felt like that.
I'd say there were many times that I can remember
not even sleeping, you know, I'd just go a couple days,
at least, maybe two and a half days, mos State
three days and again, doctors, first responders, they do this
sort of thing all the time. I'm not trying to
(19:46):
throw a pity party here, but I don't think people
in vision that that's what the FBI is doing. And frankly,
I'll be honest, a lot of the FBI's not doing that.
I worked in a very dynamic division being in FBI Miami.
It was extremely busy. It was a complete adrenaline rush.
A lot of times, it's very what we call it
running and gunning, like we were going pretty much full throttle.
(20:08):
I can't say that that's probably the same and smaller
field offices where there's not aso much activity. So again,
to be fair, and I've worked multiple mass shootings, I'd
say a lot of things that I was exposed to.
A lot of agents are never exposed to that in
their entire career. They could work for thirty years as
a special agent and they don't see that sort of thing.
So I think my experience is somewhat unique. But I also, again,
(20:29):
I cannot discount how hard people work. So imagine that
you're going to work, and this is a job where
you've got to be on point every moment. Especially I
was working on the South Florida Violent Crime Fugitive Task Force.
I'm armed at all times. You can't ever have an
off day. If you have an off day, you could die,
Others around you could die, and so you've got to
be on point all the time. So imagine you're working,
(20:51):
you know, two days in a row, no sleep, You're
you're working with victims of human trafficking, whatever it might be,
and then you go home and you turn on the
news and all you see is how horrible the FBI
is and again I have been on Fox News. I
had blatantly blasted the FBI for things that they've done wrong.
(21:12):
But I always make that clear distinction. There are people
that are still trying to do it's right. And so
I thought, you know, it would be fair for America
to see from an insider's perspective that, yes, even internally, tutor,
I don't even trust the FBI. I don't trust FBI too,
and I even work there. Well the way Americans for
not trusting the FBI, because I worked in and I
(21:32):
don't trust the FBI either, And that's why I had
to get out.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
As I was reading kind of the change, it seemed
like where you felt like there was a change, it
was almost Orwellian. It's like, you know, the pandemic hits,
and these people it's almost like put your mask on, comrade,
you know, and they're they're gonna they're gonna come after
you if you don't. But I thought the most striking
thing was when you said it was shocking to me
(21:58):
to see these businesses being burned down in Minneapolis and
FBI agents cheering it on instead of feeling that they
needed to rush in and save the people whose businesses
were being burned down. That seemed like a moment for you.
Where you went, things are really different.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I It frustrated me to no end because, again, I
tune into the news. I like to know what's going on,
and even as an FBI agent, I know a lot
of things that are going on that's not on the news.
But I watched cities burning to the ground for months,
and I sat there on my couch and I'm like,
why am I not getting called by Director Ray? Why
(22:36):
is there not an all hands on deck from the
FBI that we should all be out there helping. We're
just watching our country burn to the ground. But during
the same timeframe shortly thereafter, when January sixth occurs, all
hands on deck. You know, we need people to volunteer.
We need people to come to DC month after month
after month, year after year. Why was there not the
(22:58):
same enthusiasm and big for them burning our country to
the ground during the summer of twenty twenty, which lasted
I feel like for months and months and months. But
then January sixth comes around and it's like, Okay, we
need everyone, all hands on deck, we need volunteers to
come to WFO which is the Washington Field Office in DC.
It was such a stark contrast to me to see
(23:21):
how they reacted to different things. That was just one
thing that happened at the FBI that was just so blatant,
and I thought, this is so obvious what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, it seems to me today that the political motive
behind actions on I mean, I would say on the
Democrat side is there's no shame in having a political motive.
We had one of our representatives and I can't remember
who it was, came out yesterday and said, we believe
that keeping the government shut down is the best possible
(23:50):
situation for the midterms right now. And I thought, how
can you say that about people's lives like you are
making a everything is a political calculation now, and we're
seeing it's very frustrating for people like you who went
into this for the right reasons to help people, and
you see this blatant expression of political support for these
(24:13):
I guess movements rather than for the American people. You
talk about the FBI, you're talking about the differences between
the FBI and twenty twenty and the FBI on January sixth,
and twenty twenty one you talk about the FBI kneeling
with BLM, and they were called Neil Team six, which
was interesting because they're not allowed to do that, and
(24:34):
yet they were not reprimanded. In fact, they were rewarded
for that.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That was absolutely appalling. It was a defining moment again
for me. That was June fourth of twenty twenty. They
literally were tasked with guarding buildings and monuments in Washington, DC,
and there were several agents that were signed to do
this out of Washington, Okay, to see that on the
(25:03):
national level go viral that multiple individuals were kneeling to
be al on protesters and they claimed that it was
because they were in fear for their lives and they
were scared. Tutor, It's to me, it doesn't look very
fearful when you're laughing, smiling, clapping, cheering. Nothing fearful about that.
And then I knew other agents from WFO who were
(25:24):
at buildings, you know, next door in the immediate areas.
They said, Nicole, we weren't kneeling. We were not kneeling.
So for them to make it seem like these rioters
were coming at them and attacking them, no, they were
willingly kneeling in their FBI ballistic vests. And that's against protocol.
That's not appropriate. We are not allowed to make social
(25:47):
or political statements in our FBI gear while we are
on duty, and to be kneeling and clapping and cheering,
and like you said, what made me so disgusted. Okay,
they should do that, and we're all like, they're going
to get fired. These people are going to get fired,
They're going to get reprimanded. That's an embarrassment to our agency.
That's not proper judgment at the FBI. You're supposed to
(26:08):
have good judgment, like you said, not only did they
not get fired, they were promoted. Many of them were
promoted to positions that are highly competitive that people want,
you know, a lap positions and foreign countries. I think
one was promoted to a position in Australia barely very
highly sought after positions, you know, other managerial roles. And
(26:29):
then also the FBI Agents Association offered them one hundred
dollars gift cards.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I just I can't believe it, but a gift card
for you know, to me, that is a very bold
statement because one hundred dollars gift card doesn't have to happen.
It was a very political move and like I said,
good job, comrade.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And again looking from the outside and then and then
you're looking at agents like myself and people that I
worked with who and I I don't know if we're
going to talk about it here, but my best friend
the FBI is dead. Okay, she lost her life. She
was shot in the head while executing a search warrant
against a child predator. Okay. Do you think that there
(27:14):
were gift cards for the squad and others that were
there that day for the distress that they experienced. I mean,
it's just like insulting, right and shocked that story.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Is that they didn't pay for her funeral. Not not
only were there no gift cards, the FBI didn't pay
for the funeral.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I have to tell you there were many breaking points
for me, and I appreciate you having read through it
that you can pick up on the points that were
most appalling and abhorrent to me as well. When the
FBI has all of this money for January six investigations,
because remember this is around the same timeframe January six investigations,
(27:55):
the DEI programs were off the charts. Okay, there were
like nineteen different clubs, programs, and social groups, and we
were getting emails NonStop about them. You don't have the
decency to pay for the memorial service for these two agents. Okay,
that to me is wrong. FBI. You find the money.
You managed to find money for everything else, you can't
(28:18):
find the money to pay honor to two FBI agents
who were killed adversarially in the line of duty for
the first time. We hadn't had adversarial deaths in thirteen
or fourteen years. Okay, this is a big deal. And
that was a very defining moment for me where I thought, Okay,
not only did this, this shouldn't have even happened in
(28:38):
the first place. And again I detailed that very clearly
in the book. I won't go into the details right now,
but it shouldn't have happened in the first place. But
it happened. And the way that you're handling it, they
didn't even do an after action review, Christopher Rain, no
after action review. It was as if it never even happened,
And I thought, why is this? You know, there were
some little meetings that were going going on in different
(29:00):
field offices around the country ATBI Miami, which is where
I was where it occurred, no after action review, and
I kept asking, when are we going to be told
what happened? Shouldn't we be doing something to mitigate risk
going for which shouldn't we understand the mistake what led
to this? That's when I said, you know what, it's
time to go. And I waited patiently, I talk about it.
(29:21):
I had made the decision I'm going to leave, and
then I went and talked to management and they said, no, no, no,
we think you're making an emotional decision. I gave them
an additional eleven months. Things got worse, and I said,
you know what, I'm out and that was it. So
it was it was a culmination of things. But in
the book, you see it starts off again with my background,
my faith. You know what led me to the FBI,
(29:42):
the training, the application process because I think that's interesting
to people. And then you kind of see for me,
the defining moment was Jim Comey on July fifth to
twenty sixteen. That's when I first realized that the FBI
was politically weaponized. Was back then, and then I kind
of go through it. But as the book progresses, and
especially at the very end, it's like two FBI two,
FBI two. There really was nothing about FBI one I
(30:04):
could even write at at the end of the book.
So you see it progress from FBI one, FBI two
starts creeping in, and then FBI two takes over.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But you even see you still see God's hand through that.
Because the conversations that you had with Laura just before
she is killed in that shootout, just just hours before that,
there was an understanding you weren't alone. She was making
the point. I thought it was very powerful that you
(30:33):
were seeing inside the FBI, because we kind of felt
like we were seeing this but we were alone, and
we were also not allowed to talk about it. Was
that you make a great You made this great point
that she said, you know, for the people who had
broken windows and really destroyed parts of the Capitol on
January sixth, she said, I believe that they should face
(30:54):
consequences for that, but I will not arrest someone for
a political motive that was just outside that day, that
had not done anything that day. And yet you guys
were seeing that happening, and we were saying this is happening.
People were like, don't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Don't you say that it was happening, and not only
did you feel like you couldn't talk about it, we
internally don't talk about it. You if you don't agree
with what they're doing, you now have a target on
your back. Is how we all felt. And so that
really was how it felt. I felt like every day
(31:30):
that I went there, that I was in the twilight zone,
Like I was like, do I work at the FBI,
Like what is this? Like this is so unrecognizable to me.
And again, I think it's important for people to understand
I'm not just talking about it from oh, this is
what I think was happening. I know it was happening
because I lived it and I am an honest person
(31:51):
and I speak the truth. And it happened, and it
was so disturbing, and it was almost like this internal struggle,
like I don't agree with what's happening here. And I
think a lot of people said, oh, you know, but
I'm and I did it myself and I'm not faulting
myself or anyone. But it's like, you know, I'm not
really involved in that, like we're working in real cases.
Like we just tried to, you know, turn away from
(32:14):
it and just focus on FBI one work, but it
became so overwhelming and so loud that it's like you
couldn't even focus on your job anymore, and like, what's
the point. We would go out to do interviews, people
would be like, I'm sorry, are you like Peter Struck
and Lisa Page because I don't trust the FBI, and
they'd slam the door in our face. That's not how
it used to be. It used to be that you'd
(32:34):
showed up at someone's door, you show your gun, and
you don't show your gun, but your gun's there. You're bad.
You show your credentials, and they'd be like, oh, FBI,
you know, and it was somewhat like a respectful thing.
At the end, it was like FBI, huh whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. This book is coming out on
November eleventh. We want people to read this because, first
of all, you'll go, Okay, I wasn't crazy, not crazy,
but you get to see to me, it's so much
more valuable than that. There is that vindication that we
(33:10):
know that there's something else going on, but also something
that most of us will never see, which is exactly
what you just said, what it is on the inside,
and not just the bad moments, but the incredible things
that our FBI does and the reason it should be
respected and the reason we need the FBI to return
to FBI one. So it's called the two fbis the
(33:32):
bravery and betrayal I saw in my time at the bureau.
Can you tell us like a little bit about where
they can get it, how they can follow you? All
the information there?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Sure? So It's available on Amazon dot com, Target dot com,
Walmart dot com, Barnsondoble dot com starting November eleventh. You
can purchase it in stores and you can follow me.
I'm on Instagram and x at Nicole Parker USA.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Nicole Parker, you are an amazing woman. Thank you for
sharing your story. Thank you for your story of faith.
I mean, honestly, I think that to me was the
most impactful because I want that for my kids every day.
I want them to be focusing on God. And the
way you tell the story is to constantly be looking
to Him and asking him and relying on him. And
(34:22):
I think oftentimes we look at our FBI agents We're like, oh,
they are doing this all in their own power. Was
so awesome to see that you were doing this with
the Holy Spirit. That was amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that I without God,
i am nothing. I am nothing, and with God, even
in our darkest moments, we will survive. And I do
believe there's a battle between good and evil, and I
truly believe that in the end, good and God and
Jesus one.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
That is an amazing message. Thank you, Thank you so much,
and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
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