June 4, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode, Alireza Jafarzadeh, Deputy Director of the U.S. office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran discusses the alarming developments in Iran's nuclear program and its implications for global security. He highlights the Iranian regime's role as a leading state sponsor of terrorism and the impact of U.S. foreign policy on Iran's actions. Jafarzadeh also sheds light on the struggles of the Iranian people against their oppressive regime and the potential for a democratic future in Iran. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have a special
guest today. He is the Deputy director of the National
Council of Resistance of Iran, the author of the Iran Threat,
and an outspoken Middle Eastern expert working to prevent the
Iranian regime from acquiring nuclear weapons. It's really key right
(00:21):
now because we've just found out that they are potentially
in our producing more nuclear potential weapons in Iran than
we've ever seen before, and so we wanted to get
right into this. I have Ali Rasa Jafarza Day with
me again. He is the Deputy director of the National
(00:41):
Council of the Resistance of Iran. Ali Rasa, thank you
so much for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Thank you so much. Jared there, it's always a pleasure
to be on your show.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, I enjoy having you as well.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We are looking at all the stuff that we're It
feels like news is coming fast and furious out of Iran.
What's actually happening. What's happening with the United States. I
know the President has been working with them on a
new nuclear deal. However, this information that's come out over
the weekend is pretty stunning.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Can you tell us a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
About that.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Sure, the you know, the IE puts out you know,
every few months that put out the report about the
nuclear weapons or nuclear program of Iran in general, but
specifically on the nuclear weapons program. This report that hasn't
actually been published, but has been available to the Board
(01:35):
of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is
the UN nuclear watchdog, but also it has been viewed
by some journalists who have written stories.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
About it based on that.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
This report is very dammy because on so many different aspects.
The report makes it very clear that a when it
comes to producing fissile material, which is a necessary core
for the building a nuclear bomb, the regime has actually
enricheranium to sixty percent, and they have also increased the
(02:16):
amount of enricheranium to sixty percent about fifty percent higher
and more quantity than they had in February.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So that means they have enough fissile material.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Once they further enach it to ninety percent, which is
just a screw drivers turn away, they would have enough
facile material for about ten nuclear bombs.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And when you say nuclear bombs, are we talking like
the type of nuclear bomb that we've seen dropped on
Japan in World War Two?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Well, this is we were talking about the you know,
implosion bomb, yes, and that emplosion bomb is something that
the Run regime has been working on. They had an
original plan known as Armad plan, you know, from early
two thousands, and that Armoun plan was to give around
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five nuclear bombs and they were working on that very secretly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Until we first exposed.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The nuclear site in Natans in August of two thousand
and two, right here in Washington, and that triggered the
same day the reaction by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which,
by the way, until then they had no inspections program
about the Iran that had never gone to Iran to
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inspect site and all that. So that triggered the inspections
that eventually the Run regime allowed the IAA to go
to Iran in February of two thousand and three, and
then the whole cycle of inspections started. Now that Armaud
plan basically was disrupted primarily as a result of our revelations.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'll give you one example. There was one site in addition.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
To Nathan's, known as the levizon Chian site near Tehran
that we exposed in May of two thousand and three.
The ia got very interested about that site they wanted
to inspect the site, and they went back and forth,
back and forth. Eventually the regime allowed them to go
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to Lebizan Jean in June of two thousand and four,
that's thirteen months later, and what they found was nothing.
The regime had entirely raised the whole building, the whole infrastructure,
They had removed the soil and they changed everything, and
they told the IEA, Okay, now if you want to
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take samples, you can come and take samples. There were
one hundred percent sure that they have removed everything, and
the ia which was absolutely shocked by that, they took
samples and that's where they found that traces of highly
enriched radio That became one of the main centers of
contention between the IAEA and the Iran A regime.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Now the new report.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Wait, wait when was that?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
That was in June of two thousand and four. We're
talking about twenty one years ago, and.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Since then we've been watching, but they've never really formally
found around to be in non compliance. Right, they've been watching,
but this is the first time that the Western Powers
are submitting a draft resolution saying that they are truly
in non compliance right now.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yes, definitely, because one of the reasons that they didn't,
you know, they were hoping that the Iran A regime
would have, you know, would clear some of those questions
what they call possible military dimensions, meaning work on building
the bomb, and the regime basically continuously and consistently rebuffed
the IAEA, and one of those points was about this
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in Lavizanan.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
They basically the IEA basically said.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
You know what, we're not going to pursue this anymore
because we're not going to get anywhere. That doesn't mean
that we're satisfied that this issue is resolved. That means
that we're just putting at the sides, clearly showing that
the Iran regime is not planning and has not planned
to respond to any of these inquiries.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's practically useless.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
To go back and forth with the Irano regime because
they're just going to play games with you. They give
you explanations that even a child will not accept it.
But as far as they're concerned, that's the response. It
seems like they is important.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It seems like they have zero respect, obviously for anyone
outside of Iran, and they are certainly they certainly have
little respect for the United States, and we've seen what
they did on October seventh of last year in or
twenty three, I guess it was in Israel. What is
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now we are hearing from Iran? Of course, Oh, we
were not ever going to use these weapons. This is
for peace.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But knowing that they were able to enact.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Such a horrific attack on Israel and such a surprise attack,
obviously something that had been in.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
The works for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But obviously we also know that Biden released all that
money to them. They ended up very in a very
wealthy situation where obviously they use that money for terror.
Other countries would use it to feed their people. That's
not how Iran works. They use it for terror. What
are the dangers to the United States or even the
European countries if they continue to build toward nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well think about that too.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Without the bomb, they're the worst leading state sponsor of terror.
Just about every trouble in the region, one way or
the other, traces back to Tehran. Gym has significantly benefited
from relying on these proxies that they built over the years.
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You know, look at Hesbolait Lebanon, the whole creation and
the continuation and the funding and the training and the
arming of Hesbo law entirely came from Tehran, and this
was conceded by Hesbala leaders, including Hassan Astrola. The same
situation with the Huthis in them in an Yema that
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they were basically formed, funded and trained by the Run
regime to wage attacks the way we side at least
in the past year or two, the Shia militias in Lebanon,
and you mentioned the case of October seventh, that attack
could not have possibly happened without the direct involvement, training, planning, funding,
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all of those things, either directly or through their other
proxies like Hesbola and others. And that's why, you know,
we said right from the beginning that the head of
the stake of war and terror lies in Tehran, and
so does the solution. So long as the Molars are
in power, you're going to see all of these activities continued.
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But the good point, the only good point you can
find among all of these things, is that the regime
is getting increasingly weaker and weaker. They're losing these proxies.
You know, look at the Syria, Asad was the biggest
ally the Iran regime had you know, for years, for decades,
they spent at these fifty billion dollars to prop up Assad,
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spending as many as one hundred thousand of their proxies
to keep Acid in power, and then in eleven days
the whole thing collapse, and the same situation with Hesbola
and other proxies. So the people have now seen the
weakness of the Iran regime, that the Molas are not
ten feet tall the way they wanted to portray themselves.
(10:03):
But also inside Iran, this corroborates with what has been
happening inside the country that the regime you know, has
been facing a lot of rejection by the arena in people.
We had, you know, several rounds of major uprisings in
Iran and in all thirty one provinces, people calling for change,
and that's what the realize it is.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And we've seen quite a bit of that.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We've seen even the women who have gone out and
protested with refusing to wear the hitjob. And then you know,
we've seen some horrific reactions from the Molas there and
the way they've treated the people. We've also seen people
rise up against the regime and just be executed. I mean,
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this is a really the way they treat the rest
of the world through their proxies is how they treat
their own people as well. We shouldn't be deceived by
the fact that they're going out to fight other people.
They would behead and murder their own people just like
they would do to anyone else.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, it's a very brutal regime.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But I think it's there's a couple of things I
want to cover here when people talk about them as
the world's leading sponsor of terror, as you mentioned, these
groups would not exist without the support of Iran. The Hamas, Husbla,
the Houthis, all of these they're getting.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Funding from Iran.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Now, I think it's critical to mention that Donald Trump
came out and said, had he been president, the attack
on Israel would not have happened, and people don't really
understand if they aren't really very involved in this discussion,
they may not fully understand what he means by that.
And I want to break that down a little bit.
Because Donald Trump was very clear about holding money from Iran.
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He wasn't going to give them the billions of dollars
he was going to hold back their oil production and
their ability to sell oil. He did that effectively for
the four years that he was in office. I didn't
reverse all of that. Obama had also gone the completely
opposite direction. How much does who is in power in
the United States matter to the safety on the world stage,
(12:12):
because under Obama it seemed like the Iranian regime became
much more powerful. Trump came there was a reduction in
power Biden. All of a sudden, we're seeing sponsors, these
terror attacks being sponsored by Iran again because they have
all this money. How much does the United States impact
the ability for the regime to continue to launch their
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terror attacks across the world.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Well, it's extremely important on how the outside world treats
the Irana regime and this situation in Iran. Unfortunately, for decades,
the biggest problem has been the policy of appeasement that
was pursued by the West, both by the Europeans but
also here you mentioned the examples during the Obama administration,
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during the by then administration. The whole idea behind that
was that, Okay, there are some moderates within the Iran
and regime.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If we just be able to reach out to them.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Empower them, giving them money and incentives, then that will
change the behavior of the Irnogy at least that's the
justification they use to the contrary the molaws are. This
is a system built on theocracy. The Supreme Leader has
all the authority. The vote of people doesn't even exist.
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So the more money and resources you give them, the
more empowered they get. And that's why the money that
goes to Iran, under any pretext, it will end up
in the pocket of the revolutionary regards and the Supreme Leader.
Not even a single dollar of that goes to the
people or helping the economy or flourishing the society, none
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of that. And that's why you saw that. You know,
the Tehran wanted palettes of cash. Why would you ask
for palettes of cash? I mean real cash, I mean
real money that they you know, you delivered to them.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Where does that end up? You know, in Lebanon, in Syria.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You know, the leaders of these proxies said very clearly that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
When they went to Tehran they were given like.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Suitcases full of cash, so much that they couldn't even
carry anymore. Tens of millions of dollars of cash given
to them. This is not the way you want to
treat the run or regime if you want to end
the terror. And you know, the world's leading state sponsor
of terrorism. So it does make a huge difference how
the policy is pursued, whether it's the United States or
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in Europe. You know, the oil revenue, for instance, doesn't
go to the people. In fact, when the oil export
of Iran, which was close to three hundred thousand barrels
day in January twenty twenty, in about four years, it
went up to close to two million barrels a day.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Now do you think that would help the Rnied economy.
It didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
The currency value of Iran went down way, you know,
about half of that. The inflation has been hired. The
people of irund have gotten poorer. But at the same time,
the regime had more money to give these proxies to
expand their nuclear weapons program, to expand their missile program.
The regime has spent two trillion dollars on its nuclear
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weapons program. Think about it. Two trillion dollars is a
lot of money for Iran. You know, the Holy Run,
the Rock War that lasted for eight years costs it
around one trillion dollar and yet the nuclear program has
cost them two trillion dollars. So that's why you don't
want to give money and resources to a regime that
has a history of using that for terrorism and against
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the people, but also to the detriment of the people
in the region.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
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I think that's why this should be a top concern.
I mean, we're talking about the top threats to the
United States, and I think everybody would say the top
threats to the United States right now are Iran and China.
Iran is really a while card because if you just
look at what the Supreme Leader is posting on social media,
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you would say, Okay, this is a massive threat. This
guy is regularly saying that he wants to take out
the United States of America, and this hasn't really been
It seems like under the biding the regime you're write
that they were looking at this and saying, oh, there's
there's some reasonable people over there. And I think most
generals that work under the Trump administration would say, there
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is no reasoning with these people that this is a
radical regime. And to your point, they've been funding these
terror attacks in other countries, but they're preparing something that
to me is very scary. In fact, they're so manipulative,
and I think this is what the American people need
to understand, because there has been some back and forth
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over whether or not they're as dangerous as we think
they are. There has been in July, I think it
was July of twenty twenty for the Director of National
Intelligence here in the United States said that she had
credible evidence that Iran was funding the protests on college
campuses and the protests, the Palestinian protests, and that message was, Oh,
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these people are living under the control of Israel.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
These poor people are being treated horribly.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
By the Israelis.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That message was going far and wide across the United States.
But tell us a little bit about exactly how the
people of Iran are treated by the malas well.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Let me just add one point. Do you mentioned, and
I'll talk to you about the way people of Iran
are treated. You know, if you mentioned the website of
the Supreme Leader Comedy. Just a few months ago, the
website of comedy posted a video Kilipo, you know that
had they had made it was a simulation of the
(19:58):
assassination of of President Trump at the golf course and
all of that, and how they actually monitored the whole
thing and went and supposedly carried out that assassination. You
would think this is just a propaganda think where you know,
from a few months ago as we speak right now,
that video clib is still on the website of the Supermerider.
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What does it tell you? That's the agenda that the
molas have. They're spreading terror, violence and instability.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's how they survive.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
They thrive on that and the same treatment they give
to the people of Iran. You know, since last year
in August, when the new president of the regime, Pezeshkian,
the so called moderate, took office, nearly thirteen hundred prisoners
have been executed, including women, and including political prisoners. That's
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a sign of a very vulnerable regime that stays in
power only through repression and killings. That's a sign of
a regime that has been rejected by the people of Iran.
And that's why these protests that has been going on
in the past few years are extremely important because it
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shows you how the people of Iran feel about the regime.
Number one, second, they're willing to take the risk to
come to the street and confront the regime, to wage protests.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
In a public way.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
They were chanting death to how many death to the oppressor,
be the Supreme Leader or the shop, making very clear
that they reject any form of dictatorship. The same way
that they overthrew the Shah's dictatorship, which was repressive, had
the secret police, abart had the single party rule was
extremely corrupt.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They got rid of them the same way they're.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Willing to pay the price even higher to get rid
of the Molos. But also what is important is the
sentiment of the people is combined with an organized resistance,
because the regime can suppress protests here and there.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And find a way to survive.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
But when there is an organized opposition that has a
plan to confront the regime that is willing to pay
the price, but also has a plan for the future,
you know, plan for the transition after the overthrow of
the Malus.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But what kind of Iran.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
They're looking for, you know, interestingly, you talk about the
repression of women, it's not an accident that the leader
of the opposition and those who are in the forefront
of the fight against this regime are actually female women,
because this regime is so misogynist. The opposition, you know,
in direct contradiction to the Mullus, they have a lot
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of respect for women. In fact, women leadership. Missus Mariam
Bradjavia has been the leader of of this movement. She
introduced a plan known as a ten point Platform for
the Future of Iran that calls for ballot box as
the sole criteria for legitimacy, separassion of religion and said
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gender equality, freedom of religion, free market economy, piece in
the Middle East, a non nuclear republic form of a government.
That platform and her movement has been gaining a lot
of support internationally, both in Europe some four thousand parliamentarians
sitting parliamentarians cross party, but also here in the US
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there was a resolution that was just introduced a few
months ago here and just passed the.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Five co sponsors, which is a majority bipartisan that supports
that ten point plan, but also talks about those young
people in Iran, what they call the resistance units, their
right to confront the revolutionary goards, their right to overthrow
the repressive rulers.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's where we need to focus.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
We need to instead of thinking about the Malas, you know,
whether we can have a dialogue with this molo and
that molog, thinking about the people of Iran who are eventually,
at the end of the day, are going to be
able to bring about change and be the real partner
with the international community.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We need to stand on their side, with the sand on.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
The side of their you know, those young people to
bring down the Malas.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Before we get into that, I do want to go
into exactly what that plan would be, how that would look,
because I think there is a lot of fear over
how does one get in and overthrow such a regime.
The way they were able to get into power is
how any communists gets into power is to deceive the people.
They had great propaganda, they still have great propaganda worldwide,
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but I don't think there are people are deceived anymore.
I think the people know exactly where they stand with
the Malas.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think it's just an interesting
contrast here as we watch the people in the United States,
so many of these young college students who have come
out and defended Hamas and defended this type of brutal regime,
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and I don't think they realize exactly what they are defending.
They're defending this and we have people, we have this
one gentleman.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't know if you've heard this story, but one
gentleman who came onto a college campus. He is being
deported because they say, you know, he didn't have the
right to go on to the college campus and and
create anti semitism, defend this terrorist regime over there, and
to defend Hamas. And the people in the United States
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are just up in arms. How could he be deported?
This is such a disaster. I think of the contrast
of the people of Iran who go out, as you said,
knowing the consequences.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Not hundreds, but of more than.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
One thousand political opponents of the regime have been executed.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
This is not like being deported.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
This is not being jailed for the night, This is
not being let out on bond. This is losing your
life to try to bring back freedom to your country,
a country that was once very free. I mean, if
you look at videos and pictures of Iran just twenty
five thirty years ago, it's a much different country than
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it is today. I guess we'd be talking what maybe
sixty years ago now that Iran was a much freer
country than it is today.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
How do you get back there? How do you overthrow
this regime?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
And would it be to go back to what Iran
looked like in the seventies.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Well, definitely, As you said, Tudor, you know, we have
a history over a decade at least, and the contemporary
era of fighting for freedom and democracy. We won Sadev
and nationalistic, gaily elected government Doctor Masadev too bad. It
was overthrown by foreign powers, but also with the help
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of the clerics at the time, who put the notorious
Shaw back in power.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Would rule through sheer repression.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Then people revolted against that, and then the Molas came
out of noverb. Interestingly, the Malos had no role in
the revolution. If the revolution was a genuine revolution for freedom.
People wanted to have freedom for everybody, every sector of
the society. But the good point is that the people
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who are sacrifice their lives over the years, they know
exactly what they want. It's very clear. Let me show
you you mentioned the price has been paid. This is
a book of me. You can see how thick it is.
It contains the names of twenty thousand and their pictures
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of those who've been executed under the MOLO since nineteen
eighty one. This book actually was published in two thousand
and six. There are more volumes after that. I'm just
brought down to the example. We had all the health names,
particulars age, education, and many many pictures here of young
people who were killed, many of them students, high school students,
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university students, many of my own friends in high school.
Actually their pictures are here. And when you have a
generation of people who stood up and sacrificed their lives,
you know, they all have family members, they all have relatives,
you know. In just in summer of nineteen eighty eight,
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the regime, under the fatuax of the Supreme Vidia at
the time for any went after the main core of
the opposition known as the mk Kromeni in a fat
va said religious decree, said that anyone who is in
any way associated with MEK must be killed. The only
people that could catch at the time were prisoners, political prisoners,
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none of whom were actually sentenced to death. Before so
many issued that fat vow, they formed what they called
death Commission. They interviewed every single political prisoner in Iran
at the time. They asked them just one question, what's
your position about them K And if they had said
anything favorable or remain loyal to them, they would send
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them down the hallway and execute them right there. Thirty
thousand political prisoners were killed at the time. This was
all done silent in a secret way. Of course, later
on all of that was exposed and the world has
talked about it. The Yuan did a thorough invest litigation,
called it the crime against humanity and genocide. But the
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goal for Romeni was to eliminate all of that, so
that would end any kind of opposition to the Mullas
to the country. You saw the young generation in the
streets of Iran who are one way or the other
related to those who were massacred in the eighties. In
eighty eight in the nineties by the Molas, the younger generation,
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those who heard the stories of that, you know, these
people who gave their lives, they created a culture for
resisting oppression, for sacrificing for freedom, real freedom when people
would have their voice heard, a real genuine freedom in
a you know, against a theocracy repression like the Mulas
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or the Shahs dictatorship. That's why I feel very, very
hopeful when you have genuine people, when you have organized
opposition built based on those people who sacrificed, knowing the
knowing where they're going, and then you have a platform,
you have women in the leadership who came out of
(31:06):
the you know, in opposition to the misogyny of the Mallas,
who have remained very committed. That's a tremendous sign and
indication that the future is so bright. And that's why
I feel very strongly that not only the Mullas will
be overthrown, but missus Rajavi has committed to a peaceful transition,
(31:28):
saying that you know, we're not fighting to just get
ourselves in power.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Absolutely not, she said.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
My goal at our movement goal is to transfer power
to the elected representatives of the people of Iran. In
her platform, she says that within six months after the
fall of the Mallus, there's going to be free and
fair elections leading to the formation of a National Constituent Assembly,
which would be representations of the people. And it is
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that assembly that will determine the future course of the government,
what kind of government be formed, you know, all of
the things happening. So that's why you know, I think
this is the time that if the world focuses on
the solution, not just on the problem, realizing that there
is a solution for Iran, and that's the people I
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run the organized existence and toyodo think about it for
a moment that a free Iran, a democratic Iran, What
a difference it will make in the whole region and
if not the rest of the world. How Iran will
become a source of peace and tranquility and you know,
a cooperation and tolerance with the rest of the world
(32:36):
rather than being the epicenter of war and terror.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Absolutely, that could change. I mean, that would change.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
The safety of the Middle East and the entire the
entire world. It would be a huge difference. And we
will keep following this because we know that you and
the NCRI are working very hard to make sure that
we do see a free and peaceful run at some point.
Ali Divars Day, Thank you so much for coming out today.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Thank you so much Toodor for the great job you're
doing to inform the American public about the realities on
the ground that there is a solution and there are
ways to tackle the problem.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Always a pleasure to be on your show.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
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Join us next time. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have a special
guest today. He is the Deputy director of the National
Council of Resistance of Iran, the author of the Iran Threat,
and an outspoken Middle Eastern expert working to prevent the
Iranian regime from acquiring nuclear weapons. It's really key right
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now because we've just found out that they are potentially
in our producing more nuclear potential weapons in Iran than
we've ever seen before, and so we wanted to get
right into this. I have Ali Rasa Jafarza Day with
me again. He is the Deputy director of the National
(00:41):
Council of the Resistance of Iran. Ali Rasa, thank you
so much for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Thank you so much. Jared there, it's always a pleasure
to be on your show.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, I enjoy having you as well.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We are looking at all the stuff that we're It
feels like news is coming fast and furious out of Iran.
What's actually happening. What's happening with the United States. I
know the President has been working with them on a
new nuclear deal. However, this information that's come out over
the weekend is pretty stunning.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Can you tell us a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
About that.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Sure, the you know, the IE puts out you know,
every few months that put out the report about the
nuclear weapons or nuclear program of Iran in general, but
specifically on the nuclear weapons program. This report that hasn't
actually been published, but has been available to the Board
(01:35):
of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is
the UN nuclear watchdog, but also it has been viewed
by some journalists who have written stories.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
About it based on that.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
This report is very dammy because on so many different aspects.
The report makes it very clear that a when it
comes to producing fissile material, which is a necessary core
for the building a nuclear bomb, the regime has actually
enricheranium to sixty percent, and they have also increased the
(02:16):
amount of enricheranium to sixty percent about fifty percent higher
and more quantity than they had in February.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So that means they have enough fissile material.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Once they further enach it to ninety percent, which is
just a screw drivers turn away, they would have enough
facile material for about ten nuclear bombs.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And when you say nuclear bombs, are we talking like
the type of nuclear bomb that we've seen dropped on
Japan in World War Two?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Well, this is we were talking about the you know,
implosion bomb, yes, and that emplosion bomb is something that
the Run regime has been working on. They had an
original plan known as Armad plan, you know, from early
two thousands, and that Armoun plan was to give around
(03:11):
five nuclear bombs and they were working on that very secretly.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Until we first exposed.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The nuclear site in Natans in August of two thousand
and two, right here in Washington, and that triggered the
same day the reaction by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which,
by the way, until then they had no inspections program
about the Iran that had never gone to Iran to
(03:38):
inspect site and all that. So that triggered the inspections
that eventually the Run regime allowed the IAA to go
to Iran in February of two thousand and three, and
then the whole cycle of inspections started. Now that Armaud
plan basically was disrupted primarily as a result of our revelations.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'll give you one example. There was one site in addition.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
To Nathan's, known as the levizon Chian site near Tehran
that we exposed in May of two thousand and three.
The ia got very interested about that site they wanted
to inspect the site, and they went back and forth,
back and forth. Eventually the regime allowed them to go
(04:26):
to Lebizan Jean in June of two thousand and four,
that's thirteen months later, and what they found was nothing.
The regime had entirely raised the whole building, the whole infrastructure,
They had removed the soil and they changed everything, and
they told the IEA, Okay, now if you want to
(04:47):
take samples, you can come and take samples. There were
one hundred percent sure that they have removed everything, and
the ia which was absolutely shocked by that, they took
samples and that's where they found that traces of highly
enriched radio That became one of the main centers of
contention between the IAEA and the Iran A regime.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Now the new report.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Wait, wait when was that?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
That was in June of two thousand and four. We're
talking about twenty one years ago, and.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Since then we've been watching, but they've never really formally
found around to be in non compliance. Right, they've been watching,
but this is the first time that the Western Powers
are submitting a draft resolution saying that they are truly
in non compliance right now.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yes, definitely, because one of the reasons that they didn't,
you know, they were hoping that the Iran A regime
would have, you know, would clear some of those questions
what they call possible military dimensions, meaning work on building
the bomb, and the regime basically continuously and consistently rebuffed
the IAEA, and one of those points was about this
(06:00):
in Lavizanan.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
They basically the IEA basically said.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
You know what, we're not going to pursue this anymore
because we're not going to get anywhere. That doesn't mean
that we're satisfied that this issue is resolved. That means
that we're just putting at the sides, clearly showing that
the Iran regime is not planning and has not planned
to respond to any of these inquiries.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's practically useless.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
To go back and forth with the Irano regime because
they're just going to play games with you. They give
you explanations that even a child will not accept it.
But as far as they're concerned, that's the response. It
seems like they is important.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It seems like they have zero respect, obviously for anyone
outside of Iran, and they are certainly they certainly have
little respect for the United States, and we've seen what
they did on October seventh of last year in or
twenty three, I guess it was in Israel. What is
(07:01):
now we are hearing from Iran? Of course, Oh, we
were not ever going to use these weapons. This is
for peace.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But knowing that they were able to enact.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Such a horrific attack on Israel and such a surprise attack,
obviously something that had been in.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
The works for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But obviously we also know that Biden released all that
money to them. They ended up very in a very
wealthy situation where obviously they use that money for terror.
Other countries would use it to feed their people. That's
not how Iran works. They use it for terror. What
are the dangers to the United States or even the
European countries if they continue to build toward nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well think about that too.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Without the bomb, they're the worst leading state sponsor of terror.
Just about every trouble in the region, one way or
the other, traces back to Tehran. Gym has significantly benefited
from relying on these proxies that they built over the years.
(08:08):
You know, look at Hesbolait Lebanon, the whole creation and
the continuation and the funding and the training and the
arming of Hesbo law entirely came from Tehran, and this
was conceded by Hesbala leaders, including Hassan Astrola. The same
situation with the Huthis in them in an Yema that
(08:30):
they were basically formed, funded and trained by the Run
regime to wage attacks the way we side at least
in the past year or two, the Shia militias in Lebanon,
and you mentioned the case of October seventh, that attack
could not have possibly happened without the direct involvement, training, planning, funding,
(08:56):
all of those things, either directly or through their other
proxies like Hesbola and others. And that's why, you know,
we said right from the beginning that the head of
the stake of war and terror lies in Tehran, and
so does the solution. So long as the Molars are
in power, you're going to see all of these activities continued.
(09:19):
But the good point, the only good point you can
find among all of these things, is that the regime
is getting increasingly weaker and weaker. They're losing these proxies.
You know, look at the Syria, Asad was the biggest
ally the Iran regime had you know, for years, for decades,
they spent at these fifty billion dollars to prop up Assad,
(09:42):
spending as many as one hundred thousand of their proxies
to keep Acid in power, and then in eleven days
the whole thing collapse, and the same situation with Hesbola
and other proxies. So the people have now seen the
weakness of the Iran regime, that the Molas are not
ten feet tall the way they wanted to portray themselves.
(10:03):
But also inside Iran, this corroborates with what has been
happening inside the country that the regime you know, has
been facing a lot of rejection by the arena in people.
We had, you know, several rounds of major uprisings in
Iran and in all thirty one provinces, people calling for change,
and that's what the realize it is.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And we've seen quite a bit of that.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We've seen even the women who have gone out and
protested with refusing to wear the hitjob. And then you know,
we've seen some horrific reactions from the Molas there and
the way they've treated the people. We've also seen people
rise up against the regime and just be executed. I mean,
(10:46):
this is a really the way they treat the rest
of the world through their proxies is how they treat
their own people as well. We shouldn't be deceived by
the fact that they're going out to fight other people.
They would behead and murder their own people just like
they would do to anyone else.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, it's a very brutal regime.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But I think it's there's a couple of things I
want to cover here when people talk about them as
the world's leading sponsor of terror, as you mentioned, these
groups would not exist without the support of Iran. The Hamas, Husbla,
the Houthis, all of these they're getting.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Funding from Iran.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Now, I think it's critical to mention that Donald Trump
came out and said, had he been president, the attack
on Israel would not have happened, and people don't really
understand if they aren't really very involved in this discussion,
they may not fully understand what he means by that.
And I want to break that down a little bit.
Because Donald Trump was very clear about holding money from Iran.
(11:49):
He wasn't going to give them the billions of dollars
he was going to hold back their oil production and
their ability to sell oil. He did that effectively for
the four years that he was in office. I didn't
reverse all of that. Obama had also gone the completely
opposite direction. How much does who is in power in
the United States matter to the safety on the world stage,
(12:12):
because under Obama it seemed like the Iranian regime became
much more powerful. Trump came there was a reduction in
power Biden. All of a sudden, we're seeing sponsors, these
terror attacks being sponsored by Iran again because they have
all this money. How much does the United States impact
the ability for the regime to continue to launch their
(12:34):
terror attacks across the world.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Well, it's extremely important on how the outside world treats
the Irana regime and this situation in Iran. Unfortunately, for decades,
the biggest problem has been the policy of appeasement that
was pursued by the West, both by the Europeans but
also here you mentioned the examples during the Obama administration,
(12:59):
during the by then administration. The whole idea behind that
was that, Okay, there are some moderates within the Iran
and regime.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
If we just be able to reach out to them.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Empower them, giving them money and incentives, then that will
change the behavior of the Irnogy at least that's the
justification they use to the contrary the molaws are. This
is a system built on theocracy. The Supreme Leader has
all the authority. The vote of people doesn't even exist.
(13:35):
So the more money and resources you give them, the
more empowered they get. And that's why the money that
goes to Iran, under any pretext, it will end up
in the pocket of the revolutionary regards and the Supreme Leader.
Not even a single dollar of that goes to the
people or helping the economy or flourishing the society, none
(13:58):
of that. And that's why you saw that. You know,
the Tehran wanted palettes of cash. Why would you ask
for palettes of cash? I mean real cash, I mean
real money that they you know, you delivered to them.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Where does that end up? You know, in Lebanon, in Syria.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You know, the leaders of these proxies said very clearly that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
When they went to Tehran they were given like.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Suitcases full of cash, so much that they couldn't even
carry anymore. Tens of millions of dollars of cash given
to them. This is not the way you want to
treat the run or regime if you want to end
the terror. And you know, the world's leading state sponsor
of terrorism. So it does make a huge difference how
the policy is pursued, whether it's the United States or
(14:47):
in Europe. You know, the oil revenue, for instance, doesn't
go to the people. In fact, when the oil export
of Iran, which was close to three hundred thousand barrels
day in January twenty twenty, in about four years, it
went up to close to two million barrels a day.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Now do you think that would help the Rnied economy.
It didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
The currency value of Iran went down way, you know,
about half of that. The inflation has been hired. The
people of irund have gotten poorer. But at the same time,
the regime had more money to give these proxies to
expand their nuclear weapons program, to expand their missile program.
The regime has spent two trillion dollars on its nuclear
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weapons program. Think about it. Two trillion dollars is a
lot of money for Iran. You know, the Holy Run,
the Rock War that lasted for eight years costs it
around one trillion dollar and yet the nuclear program has
cost them two trillion dollars. So that's why you don't
want to give money and resources to a regime that
has a history of using that for terrorism and against
(15:59):
the people, but also to the detriment of the people
in the region.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
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(17:45):
I think that's why this should be a top concern.
I mean, we're talking about the top threats to the
United States, and I think everybody would say the top
threats to the United States right now are Iran and China.
Iran is really a while card because if you just
look at what the Supreme Leader is posting on social media,
(18:06):
you would say, Okay, this is a massive threat. This
guy is regularly saying that he wants to take out
the United States of America, and this hasn't really been
It seems like under the biding the regime you're write
that they were looking at this and saying, oh, there's
there's some reasonable people over there. And I think most
generals that work under the Trump administration would say, there
(18:30):
is no reasoning with these people that this is a
radical regime. And to your point, they've been funding these
terror attacks in other countries, but they're preparing something that
to me is very scary. In fact, they're so manipulative,
and I think this is what the American people need
to understand, because there has been some back and forth
(18:51):
over whether or not they're as dangerous as we think
they are. There has been in July, I think it
was July of twenty twenty for the Director of National
Intelligence here in the United States said that she had
credible evidence that Iran was funding the protests on college
campuses and the protests, the Palestinian protests, and that message was, Oh,
(19:16):
these people are living under the control of Israel.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
These poor people are being treated horribly.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
By the Israelis.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That message was going far and wide across the United States.
But tell us a little bit about exactly how the
people of Iran are treated by the malas well.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Let me just add one point. Do you mentioned, and
I'll talk to you about the way people of Iran
are treated. You know, if you mentioned the website of
the Supreme Leader Comedy. Just a few months ago, the
website of comedy posted a video Kilipo, you know that
had they had made it was a simulation of the
(19:58):
assassination of of President Trump at the golf course and
all of that, and how they actually monitored the whole
thing and went and supposedly carried out that assassination. You
would think this is just a propaganda think where you know,
from a few months ago as we speak right now,
that video clib is still on the website of the Supermerider.
(20:22):
What does it tell you? That's the agenda that the
molas have. They're spreading terror, violence and instability.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's how they survive.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
They thrive on that and the same treatment they give
to the people of Iran. You know, since last year
in August, when the new president of the regime, Pezeshkian,
the so called moderate, took office, nearly thirteen hundred prisoners
have been executed, including women, and including political prisoners. That's
(20:55):
a sign of a very vulnerable regime that stays in
power only through repression and killings. That's a sign of
a regime that has been rejected by the people of Iran.
And that's why these protests that has been going on
in the past few years are extremely important because it
(21:16):
shows you how the people of Iran feel about the regime.
Number one, second, they're willing to take the risk to
come to the street and confront the regime, to wage protests.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
In a public way.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
They were chanting death to how many death to the oppressor,
be the Supreme Leader or the shop, making very clear
that they reject any form of dictatorship. The same way
that they overthrew the Shah's dictatorship, which was repressive, had
the secret police, abart had the single party rule was
extremely corrupt.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They got rid of them the same way they're.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Willing to pay the price even higher to get rid
of the Molos. But also what is important is the
sentiment of the people is combined with an organized resistance,
because the regime can suppress protests here and there.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And find a way to survive.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
But when there is an organized opposition that has a
plan to confront the regime that is willing to pay
the price, but also has a plan for the future,
you know, plan for the transition after the overthrow of
the Malus.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But what kind of Iran.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
They're looking for, you know, interestingly, you talk about the
repression of women, it's not an accident that the leader
of the opposition and those who are in the forefront
of the fight against this regime are actually female women,
because this regime is so misogynist. The opposition, you know,
in direct contradiction to the Mullus, they have a lot
(22:53):
of respect for women. In fact, women leadership. Missus Mariam
Bradjavia has been the leader of of this movement. She
introduced a plan known as a ten point Platform for
the Future of Iran that calls for ballot box as
the sole criteria for legitimacy, separassion of religion and said
(23:13):
gender equality, freedom of religion, free market economy, piece in
the Middle East, a non nuclear republic form of a government.
That platform and her movement has been gaining a lot
of support internationally, both in Europe some four thousand parliamentarians
sitting parliamentarians cross party, but also here in the US
(23:36):
there was a resolution that was just introduced a few
months ago here and just passed the.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Five co sponsors, which is a majority bipartisan that supports
that ten point plan, but also talks about those young
people in Iran, what they call the resistance units, their
right to confront the revolutionary goards, their right to overthrow
the repressive rulers.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's where we need to focus.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
We need to instead of thinking about the Malas, you know,
whether we can have a dialogue with this molo and
that molog, thinking about the people of Iran who are eventually,
at the end of the day, are going to be
able to bring about change and be the real partner
with the international community.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We need to stand on their side, with the sand on.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
The side of their you know, those young people to
bring down the Malas.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Before we get into that, I do want to go
into exactly what that plan would be, how that would look,
because I think there is a lot of fear over
how does one get in and overthrow such a regime.
The way they were able to get into power is
how any communists gets into power is to deceive the people.
They had great propaganda, they still have great propaganda worldwide,
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but I don't think there are people are deceived anymore.
I think the people know exactly where they stand with
the Malas.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think it's just an interesting
contrast here as we watch the people in the United States,
so many of these young college students who have come
out and defended Hamas and defended this type of brutal regime,
(25:23):
and I don't think they realize exactly what they are defending.
They're defending this and we have people, we have this
one gentleman.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I don't know if you've heard this story, but one
gentleman who came onto a college campus. He is being
deported because they say, you know, he didn't have the
right to go on to the college campus and and
create anti semitism, defend this terrorist regime over there, and
to defend Hamas. And the people in the United States
(25:53):
are just up in arms. How could he be deported?
This is such a disaster. I think of the contrast
of the people of Iran who go out, as you said,
knowing the consequences.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Not hundreds, but of more than.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
One thousand political opponents of the regime have been executed.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
This is not like being deported.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
This is not being jailed for the night, This is
not being let out on bond. This is losing your
life to try to bring back freedom to your country,
a country that was once very free. I mean, if
you look at videos and pictures of Iran just twenty
five thirty years ago, it's a much different country than
(26:36):
it is today. I guess we'd be talking what maybe
sixty years ago now that Iran was a much freer
country than it is today.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
How do you get back there? How do you overthrow
this regime?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
And would it be to go back to what Iran
looked like in the seventies.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Well, definitely, As you said, Tudor, you know, we have
a history over a decade at least, and the contemporary
era of fighting for freedom and democracy. We won Sadev
and nationalistic, gaily elected government Doctor Masadev too bad. It
was overthrown by foreign powers, but also with the help
(27:17):
of the clerics at the time, who put the notorious
Shaw back in power.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Would rule through sheer repression.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Then people revolted against that, and then the Molas came
out of noverb. Interestingly, the Malos had no role in
the revolution. If the revolution was a genuine revolution for freedom.
People wanted to have freedom for everybody, every sector of
the society. But the good point is that the people
(27:48):
who are sacrifice their lives over the years, they know
exactly what they want. It's very clear. Let me show
you you mentioned the price has been paid. This is
a book of me. You can see how thick it is.
It contains the names of twenty thousand and their pictures
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of those who've been executed under the MOLO since nineteen
eighty one. This book actually was published in two thousand
and six. There are more volumes after that. I'm just
brought down to the example. We had all the health names,
particulars age, education, and many many pictures here of young
people who were killed, many of them students, high school students,
(28:33):
university students, many of my own friends in high school.
Actually their pictures are here. And when you have a
generation of people who stood up and sacrificed their lives,
you know, they all have family members, they all have relatives,
you know. In just in summer of nineteen eighty eight,
(28:56):
the regime, under the fatuax of the Supreme Vidia at
the time for any went after the main core of
the opposition known as the mk Kromeni in a fat
va said religious decree, said that anyone who is in
any way associated with MEK must be killed. The only
people that could catch at the time were prisoners, political prisoners,
(29:19):
none of whom were actually sentenced to death. Before so
many issued that fat vow, they formed what they called
death Commission. They interviewed every single political prisoner in Iran
at the time. They asked them just one question, what's
your position about them K And if they had said
anything favorable or remain loyal to them, they would send
(29:42):
them down the hallway and execute them right there. Thirty
thousand political prisoners were killed at the time. This was
all done silent in a secret way. Of course, later
on all of that was exposed and the world has
talked about it. The Yuan did a thorough invest litigation,
called it the crime against humanity and genocide. But the
(30:05):
goal for Romeni was to eliminate all of that, so
that would end any kind of opposition to the Mullas
to the country. You saw the young generation in the
streets of Iran who are one way or the other
related to those who were massacred in the eighties. In
eighty eight in the nineties by the Molas, the younger generation,
(30:25):
those who heard the stories of that, you know, these
people who gave their lives, they created a culture for
resisting oppression, for sacrificing for freedom, real freedom when people
would have their voice heard, a real genuine freedom in
a you know, against a theocracy repression like the Mulas
(30:46):
or the Shahs dictatorship. That's why I feel very, very
hopeful when you have genuine people, when you have organized
opposition built based on those people who sacrificed, knowing the
knowing where they're going, and then you have a platform,
you have women in the leadership who came out of
(31:06):
the you know, in opposition to the misogyny of the Mallas,
who have remained very committed. That's a tremendous sign and
indication that the future is so bright. And that's why
I feel very strongly that not only the Mullas will
be overthrown, but missus Rajavi has committed to a peaceful transition,
(31:28):
saying that you know, we're not fighting to just get
ourselves in power.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Absolutely not, she said.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
My goal at our movement goal is to transfer power
to the elected representatives of the people of Iran. In
her platform, she says that within six months after the
fall of the Mallus, there's going to be free and
fair elections leading to the formation of a National Constituent Assembly,
which would be representations of the people. And it is
(31:54):
that assembly that will determine the future course of the government,
what kind of government be formed, you know, all of
the things happening. So that's why you know, I think
this is the time that if the world focuses on
the solution, not just on the problem, realizing that there
is a solution for Iran, and that's the people I
(32:16):
run the organized existence and toyodo think about it for
a moment that a free Iran, a democratic Iran, What
a difference it will make in the whole region and
if not the rest of the world. How Iran will
become a source of peace and tranquility and you know,
a cooperation and tolerance with the rest of the world
(32:36):
rather than being the epicenter of war and terror.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Absolutely, that could change. I mean, that would change.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
The safety of the Middle East and the entire the
entire world. It would be a huge difference. And we
will keep following this because we know that you and
the NCRI are working very hard to make sure that
we do see a free and peaceful run at some point.
Ali Divars Day, Thank you so much for coming out today.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Thank you so much Toodor for the great job you're
doing to inform the American public about the realities on
the ground that there is a solution and there are
ways to tackle the problem.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Always a pleasure to be on your show.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Thank you, I appreciate it, and thank you all for
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