August 27, 2025 • 31 mins
On this episode, Tudor sits down with fellow Clay & Buck Podcast Network host, Karol Markowicz to explore her remarkable journey from Russia to America—and why she believes the American dream is worth fighting for. They dive into the challenges of immigration, the rise and fall of New York City under different leaders, and the dangers of creeping socialism at home and abroad. Plus, they discuss how global conflicts are reshaping the West and why faith and community remain vital anchors in turbulent times. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have one of
my friends with me today from the Clay and Buck Network,
Carol Markowitz. She is not only a podcaster, but she
also has a few different columns in The New York
Post and Fox News, and she's got a great personal story.
So thank you so much for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hi, Tudor's so nice to be on with you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm excited because you have this great back story for
what is going on in the world right now, which
I think is so important because so few of us
actually have this. I was reading a little bit about
your story and how you and your husband tell your
kids all the time, like you need to really appreciate
that you were born in America, and that to me
is something I don't think we get to hear and
we are so spoiled when we are born here in America.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Absolutely, you know, I always think about this. So I
was born in Russia. My father's from Ukraine, and so
it's funny you say that I have a perspective from
a history about what's going on in the news, and
I'm Jewish, so I care about as well. There's you know,
basically any war going on anywhere in the world affects
me personally.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So, right, But it's even the way you talked about
your grandmother coming here with her sister and the fact
that she could openly profess her faith and practice her faith.
It's like something we just take for granted, definitely.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I was born in Russia and I came to
the US, and every single year we celebrate the day
that my mom and I arrived in America. And I
think about this because all I've ever wanted was my
kids not to have in America versary. I wanted them
to just be American day one and born here and
there's no other backstory. But I've come to think that
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the backstory is kind of important because it makes me
appreciate I'm telling you. Daily I think to myself, how
lucky I am.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
To be American. And that's a tough thing to achieve
when you've been.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Born here and you're just lucky enough to have started
your life here, which is what my kids are. But
I want them to take with them this idea that
they life's jackpot. This is the greatest thing that could
have ever happened to them. They're so so beyond blessed
to be American and I want them, even if they
don't have a date to celebrate that they arrived in America,
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I want them to really appreciate how much they have and.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
What it was all all the people that came before
them and did it for them, and that's really important.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So I think that's something that the left is using though,
and you've made this point too. It's like, hey, we're
all immigrants. We're all immigrants at one point, and immigrants
built this country and everything is built by immigrants, and
that we need to have open borders because of that.
But you also recently, I'm just going to read something
that you wrote in one of your columns recently and
said there were no prepaid debit cards or free hotel
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rooms for us. Someone had to sponsor us, and we
had to promise that we would not accept any public funds.
There was a system in place, and we followed it.
That to me, is something people don't generally hear. You
had to promise not to accept public funds.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Right, You're not allowed to get come here and get
on welfare. And I say this, I was a refugee,
so it wasn't like we were economic refugees. Oh, we
just wanted, you know, a better life for our kids.
I mean, obviously that was part of it. But we
Jews in the Soviet Union were persecuted. My parents weren't
allowed to go to certain schools, they weren't allowed to
hold certain jobs, they were sent away to different parts
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of the Soviet Union to work, and you had no
kind of I mean, everybody had it rough in the
Soviet Union, but Jews had it especially. So we were
escaping actual religious persecution. And still when we got to America,
there was no sense of like, oh, we're owed something
or somebody needs to give us something. We understood that
what we were given is the chance and the choices
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and the possibilities.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That America has.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So yeah, it's you know, and that should be the system.
You should have somebody sponsor you, and a lot of
times it has been like a religious agency.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Or a church or et cetera.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But now it's like we had this open borders for
all these years, and the people arrived here expecting something
like expecting not just the promise of America, but to
be taken care of, and.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They broke the rules to get here.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So another part of my story is we didn't just
come from the Soviet Union straight to America.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Italy agreed to take in the Soviet Jews that.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Were leaving and have them apply from Italy to other countries,
whether or not they would be accepted.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And wait, I want to stop you for a second,
because you said they agreed to take the Soviet Jews.
There was just a small period of time where Jews
were allowed to leave, right.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was a small window. And Italy wasn't saying hey,
come live in Italy. No, they weren't saying that at all.
They were saying, we can be the staging ground for
you to apply elsewhere. And Israel said, anybody who doesn't
get taken in by other countries, we will accept them.
Any Soviet Jew, you have a home in Israel. So
when you got to Italy, people applied to Australia and
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Canada and America, and you had to prove that you
wanted to be in these countries, to prove that you
wanted to be American.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It wasn't like imagine that, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And it was like my parents, you know, had always
dreamt of being Americans. They had loved all the stories
of freedom and possibility, and you know, it's different than
what we've had, and I think we should go back
to a system where immigrants are welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Sure, but they have to follow the rules.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
They have to have the right reasons for being here,
and they have to want America to succeed.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think that's a really easy call.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And your dad left before you, you he was in
the United States for a year before you.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Came, that's right.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
My grandmother and her sister got permission first. And they
were older women. And you know, I say they were older,
they were in their fifties, but back then, fifties was
a very different look. I know, I'm like, okay, no, listen,
I'm almost there, but they were, you know, I had
to start their whole lives all over again.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
They didn't speak any English. My grandmother's sister.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Was closing on on sixty and they got permission to
leave first.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And they thinking was.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They didn't want to go without my father, who was
the only child. But they know they got permission and
they my father said, you have to go. You're going
to help get the rest of us out. This is
how we're going to do it. They left first, then
my father got permission, Then my mother and I.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And these are to me. So this is the manipulation,
is these are the immigrant stories that we hear from
the left, but they're not doing it this way. I mean,
this is not the same as having an open border.
And that's not to say that there are not people
that want to come across in this way, but the
open border creates a situation that is dangerous and hurts people.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You can't have both an open border and an immigration
policy like the one that I came in on.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You can only have one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And so for the last you know, however many years
we've had this open border, legal immigration was pretty limited
because we had this huge influx coming in. And I
don't blame Americans now for saying, hold on, let's.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like we are up the border.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
We have all these illegal immigrants here. Let's slow down
the legal immigration system too. I get that, I really do.
But the idea is that all those people who jump
the line are hurting others. And I'll tell you one
more quick story. My mom's sister stayed in Russia. She
had a son, she has grandchildren. She was never going
to leave because she would never see her grandkids. But
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they wouldn't She couldn't get permission to visit my mom
in the United States. The US would not give her
permission because they assumed she would come on vacation and stay,
because a lot of people do that. She would have
never done that. But you know, my mom used to
joke she could just fly to Mexico and walk across
the border and nobody would say a word. But trying
to come to visit her sister legally was not possible
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for her. I mean, that's the kind of system we
created by not having a system.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right, and I think that. I mean, we have the
same situation here in Michigan with a lot of our
immigrants from Muslim countries. They are like, because these people
broke the rules, now our family members are not trusted
to come and visit. I mean, that's exactly the problem
that people don't understand. So you when you did come in,
you came to New York. You lived in New York
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your whole life, and I love the way you described
New York. You came into this kind of lawless city
where there were a massive amount over fifteen hundred murders annually,
and crime was out of control. It felt like it
was chaos. You were even through high school, you were
concerned about going out and drugs and robberies and murders.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And then you.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Talk about the political changes and the changes of Giuliani
and Bloomberg and how there were years that were very
that New York was thriving, was it was becoming a
beautiful place to live, and then yeah, boss.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's exactly how it went. So I arrived in nineteen
seventy eight. I'm one years old and a little under two,
and it's you know, I'm little, but I heard all
the stories about how my parents got to a city
that was crumbling. And Carter, Yeah, Carter as president. It
doesn't seem that America's on the right track at all.
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They're very worried about the future. They don't feel like
they made a mistake, but they're definitely like, hmm, this
isn't going well. And then nineteen eighty happens and Ronald
Reagan wins the election, and America is on a better track.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But New York takes a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Longer the eighties and nineties. In New York, the early
nineties were very lawless. I you know, all my memories
are of like my grandmother clutching her bag because you
just it was a very common thing for someone to
run by you and snatch your bag.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And just I heard gunshots, I saw drugs way too early.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I grew up in a fairly rough part of Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And it was all heading just downward, spiral.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And then Giuliani becomes mayor and the fact that he
even wins in New York City, people need to understand
how insane it was that a Republican could win in
New York City. But that's the hit rock bottom, and
that's where they had They had to finally elect a
Republican and things start to change rapidly. You just do
see a different sense on the streets. Just quality of
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life starts to improve. I mean something little like they
wouldn't let subways leave the subway hub with the graffiti
on them. It changed the look of the city. Somebody
could spend all night graffitiing a subway train, you know,
a train car, and in the morning they would just
paint right over it. And that person who had just
wasted all this time because nobody was going to get
to see that.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That ended up.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Making people graffiti less frequently on the subways, and that
kind of thing really mattered, this broken windows theory.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It worked. It worked for so many years.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Giuliani was mayor for eight years, and then Mike Bloomberg
for twelve more years. Kind of coasted on all those achievements.
He did a lot of great things also, and I
actually don't want to say he coasted. He actually did
some really great stuff too.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And then Deblasio came in, and he.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Coasted for the first four years until his own policy
started to kick in and New York started to crumble
once again.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So I lived in New York in nineteen ninety nine
and two thousand and that was I rode the subway.
I didn't see any of the bad things to talk about.
It really was a beautiful time. And I think, and
that's my memories of New York are so great now
when I go back, or even when I see on
the news what's happening, the rise in crime and just
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these policies that you talk about, Deblasio's policies of cashlest
bail and letting people back out on the streets and
not locking up criminals, and those things they matter, and
they matter so quickly, I mean, and that's the shocking
thing is Why is it so hard to understand that
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these things matter? And then you have Mom Donnie who's
out there campaigning on having legalizing sex work. You just
think about letting criminals out and then having women as
these sex It was because we all know what that means.
I don't understand how people don't say, Wow, how could
you have a system where you legalize pimps and have
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women as slaves two men? I mean, this is insane.
How is this happening in New York City?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And New York keeps just trying these bad ideas, Like
New York is the only city in the country that
has legalized marijuana for use on the street, like you smell.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It somewhere so bad.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, And it's sad because you know, I would say
that a previous version of myself wanted to criminalize marijuana,
but nobody ever said legalize it for people to smoke
in front of kids' schools, which was exactly what was
happening when we lived in Brooklyn and I only moved
to Florida three years ago. We'd walk our kids to
school and people would be right there, you know, smoking
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a fatty in the morning. And it was a different
New York than what had functioned, and you could see
the disarray developing, and all that kind of stuff goes together.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Right, we don't allow.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
People to drink in the streets, but for some reason,
smoking weed, which actually affects other people with its smell,
that's somehow allowed. And so all of this was just
And it's interesting about cashless bail. It was actually, you know,
Andrew Cuomo and then Kathy Hochel, they're the ones who
pushed the cashless bail, and they're sort of considered the
moderates of the democratic right.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
People are like, well, would be better if Cuomo won.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Right, exactly what Deblasio did that really hurt the city
was he demoralized the police department. They didn't feel like
the mayor had their back at all. They just when
you have a demoralized police force, they're not doing their
job at a high level. And I think what's interesting
about this current race is that the current mayor, Eric Adams,
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is deeply unpopular.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He can't crack ten percent in.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
The polls, but he's actually done a lot with the
police department where crime level actually is down. He should
be running on that every single day talking about how
he works with the police Commissioner Tish and how she's
really a great police commissioner in New York police department
has become stronger and better under his command, under her command,
but under his mayoralty. I think that that would be
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the smarter move.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But Democrats can never seem to run on crime being bad,
and let's stop that crime. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Let's take a quick commercial break. Will continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. You see what's happening right now
in Washington, d C. It is popular to make sure
that the city is safe. And that's the crazy thing
to see the Democrats bend over backwards to say this
is a problem, that he's making the city safer. And
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yet people that live there, even Democrats that live there,
are like, yeah, it's nice to not have to worry
about getting carjacked. I mean that is a terrifying thought
that someone will especially if you have kids. You know,
you're like, oh, at any moment, someone could take my
car and my kids would be in the back. It's
just it's insane that we have to think this way.
I just saw someone who had their car stolen on Twitter.
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We're talking about it this morning. Your ex whatever we
call it now. One of the other things I wanted
to get to is that because of your background, you
understand socialism better than any of us. And you lived it,
but your parents lived it, and I think that you
have this firsthand knowledge of how awful it actually was.
You make the comment about socialism because Mamdannie has come
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out and said, look, we want to text the white
people more. And you said it in such an interesting way,
because I think that a lot of us go, gosh,
that's a terrible thing to say. But you said, the
cause of socialism needs an enemy, and this is the
way that they get people to say, oh, there are
people that are hoarding more than their fair share. That's
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the enemy. We have to go after them. And then
people jump onto that. Even people who are in the
category of the enemy are like, I don't want to
be the enemy, so I'll be on his side.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I believe that.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
About all of leftism. Leftism needs an enemy, and if
it doesn't have one, they start looking for one. Internally,
you start being like, well, you know, you might be
a liberal, but do you really believe do you believe enough?
And they start canceling each other. And we saw that
again in the last few years. Really it hit a high.
But what you saw was they couldn't really cancel Conservatives,
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like what they're going to say to you, Oh, you
culturally appropriated, and you'll say, so what, I don't care
what you say, and that'll be the end of that.
But if you say to somebody on the left, they
start getting nervous and they start apologizing and they know
I would never culturally appropriate, and so the you know,
the firing squad is turned on each other. You see
this all the time in leftism, and so they always
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are looking for an enemy. They're always looking for somebody
to oppose. They're always looking for somebody who's the them
for us versus them, And so, yeah, that's what socialism
is all about. It's about you know, they don't create anything.
Socialism doesn't create anything. Capitalism creates. But socialism has to
inevitably say those people aren't creating, they're not doing what
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they're supposed to be doing, they're not helping all of us,
and they find someone to turn against. This was a
common story in the Soviet Union, it's common story in
every communist place, at any place that really attempts socialism,
will find that they will have internal strife in this
very serious way because we can't all be equal, we
can't all do the same jobs, and we can't all
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make the same amount of money, and it actually doesn't
work at all, and nobody gets their lives improved. Everybody
just gets their lives reduced and minimized.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So, yeah, I have worried about socialism a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And you know a lot of times you'll see the
Bernie Sanders or whatever of the world be they go,
what are you so afraid of if you're afraid of socialism?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But yeah, I'm afraid of socialism.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It has failed every single time it's been tried. When
Bernie Sanders talks about Swedish socialism and Sweden's like, hey, hey, hey,
don't call us socialists. We are a capitalist country. They
don't want to be socialists because they know that that
system does not function and again failed every time it's
been tried. Is the message that I give to my
kids so that they won't support it when they get older.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It is all around a failed system.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So you have that experience. But like you said, you
can kind of cross go across all of these different
wars and battles that are going on right now. Another
thing that Mamdani has talked about is globalizing the Intifada,
and you made the point that I think that, first
of all, I think people are confused that this has
actually happened before. And this is absolutely going out and
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just murdering people. It's a genocide, There is no He says, well,
you know other people define it differently. No, It's occurred
twice in the Second Intifada. There were thousands of people
that were killed. And you make the point that it
wasn't just Jews, Christians and Muslims were killed too, because
suicide bombers they don't ask your religion before they bomb you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
And look, every time you hear about a car ramming
through a Christmas market, they're not targeting Jews. And that
is globalizing the Intifada. They want to bring.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The struggle, the the ideas that they.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Have to the rest of us, and Americans need to
understand this is not Israel's fight, This is all of
our fights. This is a Western fight. This is a
problem that we're all going to have.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, you have somebody in New York that says, bring
it here, how can it not be a problem we
all have exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And so when you do see these bombings happen in
Western cities, they're not looking for Jews or not targeting Israelis.
They're targeting Westerners, are targeting Christians.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They know what they're doing, and we need to be
concerned about it.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I hate the fact that some part of the right
is turning on Israel because I find it to be
the first line of defense for the West.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like I understand not caring about Israel. I understand. I
even understand, oh, we shouldn't fund them. Fine, I have
a list.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Of countries we shouldn't fund before we stop funding Israel.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But fine, But the idea that they're not our friend,
or that they're not.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That first line of defense, it makes no sense, and
it just it scares me that people are falling for
that line.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's the scary thing is that it's people who have
been trusted in the past, people that have massive followings,
and I think they are people blindly follow some of
those folks because they've said, oh, I've seen them as
a trusted source. Do you think, how do you think
this happens? I actually am curious because I think these
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are people who haven't felt this way in the past.
But I had somebody once say to me, and interestingly,
the person who said this maybe teetering off the edge
of this right now, but they said to me, you know,
what happens is that someone sees their themselves getting attention,
they see their likes increase, they see their retweets increase,
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and they go, that's the way to go. And I
don't know if it's the money or it's the fame,
but something draws them into it. And do they really
could they possibly really believe these terrible things about Israel?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, and of course it's not just Israel. They believe
terrible things about Jews in the US and.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Elsewhere as well. We don't need to name the names.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Some of the larger voices on the right have gone
completely insane about this kind of thing. I don't know
if it's money, I don't know if it's just the fame.
There's definitely going to be a Jew hating audience for
a lot of these people.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't think that that's surprising at all.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
The fact that they're leaning into it and are looking
for those eyeballs and those downloads is upsetting. But at
least you kind of know who they are, it's not
it's you know. I find it comforting that they're not
hiding this opinion anymore. If they that's what they've always believed, Like,
just say what you think and let us choose to.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Whether or not to have any respect for you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I've liked supposed yourself know exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I'm never looking to shut down anybody's opinion. I want
to hear those opinions so that I know how seriously
or not seriously to take you. And is there some
other factor? Is there Katari money? Obviously we don't know,
and I you know, so it's tough to speculate it,
but it certainly seems that some of the flips that
have happened so suddenly and so rapidly definitely had some
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other factor involved.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, there's been a defense of Russia. Obviously, we're all
watching Russia and Ukraine right now. Interestingly, I have a
friend who is Ukrainian and they said to me, I
don't know if we trust Celensky. People in my family
do trust Zelensky. Other people don't trust Selensky. And it's
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in truesting to me. Also because when Donald Trump was
impeached the first time, there were a lot of questions
about corruption in Ukraine. However, Russia invaded, this war continues.
Donald Trump makes a fabulous point saying, why would we
allow death to continue? If we don't do anything, another
year goes by. Marco Rubio said, you know what, he's
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bringing these people to the White House and we had
a historic summit, and if we do nothing, then another
year of death goes by. Maybe another year of death
will continue, but right now we're working really hard to
stop it. What is your viewpoint on this compared to
just sending money to Ukraine, which I know you said,
your father's Ukrainian, you came from the Soviet Union, So
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this is personal.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It is, but it is And look if I had
my magic wand Ukraine defeats Russia, and that's it. But
so again, my mother's, my mother's from Russia, my father,
my father's from Ukraine. But we're Jews, so you were
never considered Russian or Ukrainian. You were always this other
separate category. So it's not like I have a national
allegiance to it. But I just think obviously the country
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that was invaded, basically, you know, hopefully can defeat the
larger power that did the invading, but having settled that,
I think Donald Trump is just remarkable in the last
few weeks. I didn't always love Donald Trump. I've had
my ups and downs with Trump. I think this term
has been just sensational. I've been so pleased with so
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many different things.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I love that he's.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Trying to bring a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
I think what he's finding is that they don't have
the same.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Sensibilities that we do.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That they're not as horrified by all the death as
we are. It's just a different culture, it's a different mindset.
Life is just not treated quite as the same way
that we treated in the United States. And I think
Donald Trump is seeing that with talking to both Putin
and Zelensky, that neither of them seem in a hurry
to end the bloodshed.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
They both still want the wins.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That they were trying to get again, I think that
Trump has been just fantastic on this and on many
other things. I've loved the second term. Trump two point
zero has definitely been my favorite Trump of all.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. Life is not that does not
have the same meaning in other countries. I mean, honestly,
even when I saw what happened in Florida with the
truck driver last week, and everybody was like, he's not
even shocked by this, and making no excuses for him.
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But I remember when my parents would travel to India
for business a lot. They would come back and they
would say, there's just a different meaning to life there.
People would hit someone in the road and not think
twice about it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Right, It's very crazy to think that that is how
life is treated in other countries.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
But it's important to remember.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That we don't behave the way a lot of other
countries do, and that these countries have always kind.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Of treated their people this way, and you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Know, into the meat grinder sensibility of war has, you know,
it's roots and places like that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I hope that Trump succeeds in getting some sort of
peace agreement, but if he doesn't, I don't think he should.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
See it as a loss for himself.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I don't think he will see it as a loss
for himself, but I think that it is a loss
for the Russian Ukrainian people, and it's because of the
leadership and because of the culture.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
He made this comment about the fact that he was
doing this because he wanted to make a peace agreement
and he thought that this would help him getting to heaven.
That's why my pastor, Yeah, my pastor jumped on that
this weekend though he was like, Okay, hey, this is
not biblical. That is not how you get into heaven.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So I think Trump getting shot. I really think he
has become more faithful.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Totally, because you know, I'm like, this is a step
that here he is talking about that you know, and
I agree with you. It's like, it's so funny because
you can be in your late seventies and still be
young in faith and be learning. And that to me
was like, yes, that is not necessarily what we believe
(26:53):
in our church. And I know there are some church
that believe acts of service will be we'll get you there.
But I do think that that is it's interesting to
see him speak that way, and I think that that
is something that you talk about being able to practice
your faith and do that in New York. And I
think that's why there are people who are concerned about
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this idea of what could be if New York changes.
And I think about what you said about it being
different in the seventies, and now you know you have
the potential for it to go a different direction again.
But what do you think. I'll just end it on this, mom.
Donnie has been a proponent of communes and taking over buildings,
(27:39):
having communities by the building. But now if you're in government,
and he's been in the legislature for a while, so
now if he takes over his mayor, what's to say
he doesn't buy up whole communities and get rid of
communities that were there. You know, that's been a concern
in Detroit, the minority neighborhoods have been purchased and bulldozed.
You know, what's to say that that doesn't happen in
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New York and then suddenly you have communes all over
in religion is not allowed.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, you know, it's not as far fetched as it
sounds to say that, because I actually don't think that
he'll succeed in taking over buildings. New York just doesn't
have the budget for this kind of thing, and they
actually spend all the money they have and often need more.
They it's very wasteful city management, and I don't think
he's going to be less so.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But when he doesn't succeed.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
In any of the things that he promised, when he
doesn't when he's not able to freeze the rent, when
he doesn't have the government owned grocery stores, when none
of that, when the free buses have failed completely because
they always fail, what does he do then? And I
have to imagine he appeases his leftist base by going
after Jews, by going after Christians.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
And I think that you're you're not far off.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
To imagine that he's going to have a sinister, kind
of underlying thing that he's going to be doing in
order to appease that left this base when all of
his you know, economic policies have inevitably failed.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You know, it just made me think. I have for
the years that I've been in politics, I've had people
say to me, you know, if we can help build
up the church and bring the church into these communities,
we can help build up these communities. And what I've seen,
without really noticing, is that the left continues to try
to destroy the church. They do everything they can to
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drive faith out of communities. And you're right, if that is,
if you can't achieve anything else that is on your agenda.
That is an easy target.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
That's exactly it, and that's what they always go for.
That's what the communists always do. Religion has to go
in order for the people to worship the government.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Very true, and religion is joy and if you take
away joy, then you create this reliance. There's only there's
only one way to get by, and that is to
go to the government and have them take care of you.
And even I just heard Jocelyn Benson, who is running
for governor and Michigan say this. She was like, you know,
we've got people working two jobs and they can't make
the they can't make it by, and that's where the
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government has to come in and fill in those gaps.
And I was like, it's open, it's not even they're
not even hiding it. This is the this is exactly
what they're saying. So you know what, You've lived it,
and I appreciate you being willing to come on and
talk about it today, and I appreciate you being in
the network with me.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Thank you so much, tutor.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I love listening to your show and I love seeing
you at events. It's really always a good time.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It is. It's always fun. Carol Markowitz make sure you
check out her podcast. You've got to tell us where
they are.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
The Carol Markowitz Show is my interview show, largely non political,
and then I co host normally with Mary Katherine Ham where.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
We do news of the day.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Awesome, Thank you so much, thanks for being here. Thank you,
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have one of
my friends with me today from the Clay and Buck Network,
Carol Markowitz. She is not only a podcaster, but she
also has a few different columns in The New York
Post and Fox News, and she's got a great personal story.
So thank you so much for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hi, Tudor's so nice to be on with you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm excited because you have this great back story for
what is going on in the world right now, which
I think is so important because so few of us
actually have this. I was reading a little bit about
your story and how you and your husband tell your
kids all the time, like you need to really appreciate
that you were born in America, and that to me
is something I don't think we get to hear and
we are so spoiled when we are born here in America.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Absolutely, you know, I always think about this. So I
was born in Russia. My father's from Ukraine, and so
it's funny you say that I have a perspective from
a history about what's going on in the news, and
I'm Jewish, so I care about as well. There's you know,
basically any war going on anywhere in the world affects
me personally.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So, right, But it's even the way you talked about
your grandmother coming here with her sister and the fact
that she could openly profess her faith and practice her faith.
It's like something we just take for granted, definitely.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I was born in Russia and I came to
the US, and every single year we celebrate the day
that my mom and I arrived in America. And I
think about this because all I've ever wanted was my
kids not to have in America versary. I wanted them
to just be American day one and born here and
there's no other backstory. But I've come to think that
(01:38):
the backstory is kind of important because it makes me
appreciate I'm telling you. Daily I think to myself, how
lucky I am.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
To be American. And that's a tough thing to achieve
when you've been.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Born here and you're just lucky enough to have started
your life here, which is what my kids are. But
I want them to take with them this idea that
they life's jackpot. This is the greatest thing that could
have ever happened to them. They're so so beyond blessed
to be American and I want them, even if they
don't have a date to celebrate that they arrived in America,
(02:12):
I want them to really appreciate how much they have and.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
What it was all all the people that came before
them and did it for them, and that's really important.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So I think that's something that the left is using though,
and you've made this point too. It's like, hey, we're
all immigrants. We're all immigrants at one point, and immigrants
built this country and everything is built by immigrants, and
that we need to have open borders because of that.
But you also recently, I'm just going to read something
that you wrote in one of your columns recently and
said there were no prepaid debit cards or free hotel
(02:45):
rooms for us. Someone had to sponsor us, and we
had to promise that we would not accept any public funds.
There was a system in place, and we followed it.
That to me, is something people don't generally hear. You
had to promise not to accept public funds.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Right, You're not allowed to get come here and get
on welfare. And I say this, I was a refugee,
so it wasn't like we were economic refugees. Oh, we
just wanted, you know, a better life for our kids.
I mean, obviously that was part of it. But we
Jews in the Soviet Union were persecuted. My parents weren't
allowed to go to certain schools, they weren't allowed to
hold certain jobs, they were sent away to different parts
(03:20):
of the Soviet Union to work, and you had no
kind of I mean, everybody had it rough in the
Soviet Union, but Jews had it especially. So we were
escaping actual religious persecution. And still when we got to America,
there was no sense of like, oh, we're owed something
or somebody needs to give us something. We understood that
what we were given is the chance and the choices
(03:42):
and the possibilities.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That America has.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So yeah, it's you know, and that should be the system.
You should have somebody sponsor you, and a lot of
times it has been like a religious agency.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Or a church or et cetera.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But now it's like we had this open borders for
all these years, and the people arrived here expecting something
like expecting not just the promise of America, but to
be taken care of, and.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They broke the rules to get here.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So another part of my story is we didn't just
come from the Soviet Union straight to America.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Italy agreed to take in the Soviet Jews that.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Were leaving and have them apply from Italy to other countries,
whether or not they would be accepted.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And wait, I want to stop you for a second,
because you said they agreed to take the Soviet Jews.
There was just a small period of time where Jews
were allowed to leave, right.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It was a small window. And Italy wasn't saying hey,
come live in Italy. No, they weren't saying that at all.
They were saying, we can be the staging ground for
you to apply elsewhere. And Israel said, anybody who doesn't
get taken in by other countries, we will accept them.
Any Soviet Jew, you have a home in Israel. So
when you got to Italy, people applied to Australia and
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Canada and America, and you had to prove that you
wanted to be in these countries, to prove that you
wanted to be American.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It wasn't like imagine that, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And it was like my parents, you know, had always
dreamt of being Americans. They had loved all the stories
of freedom and possibility, and you know, it's different than
what we've had, and I think we should go back
to a system where immigrants are welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Sure, but they have to follow the rules.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
They have to have the right reasons for being here,
and they have to want America to succeed.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think that's a really easy call.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And your dad left before you, you he was in
the United States for a year before you.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Came, that's right.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
My grandmother and her sister got permission first. And they
were older women. And you know, I say they were older,
they were in their fifties, but back then, fifties was
a very different look. I know, I'm like, okay, no, listen,
I'm almost there, but they were, you know, I had
to start their whole lives all over again.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
They didn't speak any English. My grandmother's sister.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Was closing on on sixty and they got permission to
leave first.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And they thinking was.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They didn't want to go without my father, who was
the only child. But they know they got permission and
they my father said, you have to go. You're going
to help get the rest of us out. This is
how we're going to do it. They left first, then
my father got permission, Then my mother and I.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And these are to me. So this is the manipulation,
is these are the immigrant stories that we hear from
the left, but they're not doing it this way. I mean,
this is not the same as having an open border.
And that's not to say that there are not people
that want to come across in this way, but the
open border creates a situation that is dangerous and hurts people.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You can't have both an open border and an immigration
policy like the one that I came in on.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You can only have one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And so for the last you know, however many years
we've had this open border, legal immigration was pretty limited
because we had this huge influx coming in. And I
don't blame Americans now for saying, hold on, let's.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like we are up the border.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
We have all these illegal immigrants here. Let's slow down
the legal immigration system too. I get that, I really do.
But the idea is that all those people who jump
the line are hurting others. And I'll tell you one
more quick story. My mom's sister stayed in Russia. She
had a son, she has grandchildren. She was never going
to leave because she would never see her grandkids. But
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they wouldn't She couldn't get permission to visit my mom
in the United States. The US would not give her
permission because they assumed she would come on vacation and stay,
because a lot of people do that. She would have
never done that. But you know, my mom used to
joke she could just fly to Mexico and walk across
the border and nobody would say a word. But trying
to come to visit her sister legally was not possible
(07:45):
for her. I mean, that's the kind of system we
created by not having a system.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right, and I think that. I mean, we have the
same situation here in Michigan with a lot of our
immigrants from Muslim countries. They are like, because these people
broke the rules, now our family members are not trusted
to come and visit. I mean, that's exactly the problem
that people don't understand. So you when you did come in,
you came to New York. You lived in New York
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your whole life, and I love the way you described
New York. You came into this kind of lawless city
where there were a massive amount over fifteen hundred murders annually,
and crime was out of control. It felt like it
was chaos. You were even through high school, you were
concerned about going out and drugs and robberies and murders.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And then you.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Talk about the political changes and the changes of Giuliani
and Bloomberg and how there were years that were very
that New York was thriving, was it was becoming a
beautiful place to live, and then yeah, boss.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's exactly how it went. So I arrived in nineteen
seventy eight. I'm one years old and a little under two,
and it's you know, I'm little, but I heard all
the stories about how my parents got to a city
that was crumbling. And Carter, Yeah, Carter as president. It
doesn't seem that America's on the right track at all.
(09:08):
They're very worried about the future. They don't feel like
they made a mistake, but they're definitely like, hmm, this
isn't going well. And then nineteen eighty happens and Ronald
Reagan wins the election, and America is on a better track.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But New York takes a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Longer the eighties and nineties. In New York, the early
nineties were very lawless. I you know, all my memories
are of like my grandmother clutching her bag because you
just it was a very common thing for someone to
run by you and snatch your bag.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And just I heard gunshots, I saw drugs way too early.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I grew up in a fairly rough part of Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And it was all heading just downward, spiral.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And then Giuliani becomes mayor and the fact that he
even wins in New York City, people need to understand
how insane it was that a Republican could win in
New York City. But that's the hit rock bottom, and
that's where they had They had to finally elect a
Republican and things start to change rapidly. You just do
see a different sense on the streets. Just quality of
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life starts to improve. I mean something little like they
wouldn't let subways leave the subway hub with the graffiti
on them. It changed the look of the city. Somebody
could spend all night graffitiing a subway train, you know,
a train car, and in the morning they would just
paint right over it. And that person who had just
wasted all this time because nobody was going to get
to see that.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That ended up.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Making people graffiti less frequently on the subways, and that
kind of thing really mattered, this broken windows theory.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It worked. It worked for so many years.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Giuliani was mayor for eight years, and then Mike Bloomberg
for twelve more years. Kind of coasted on all those achievements.
He did a lot of great things also, and I
actually don't want to say he coasted. He actually did
some really great stuff too.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And then Deblasio came in, and he.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Coasted for the first four years until his own policy
started to kick in and New York started to crumble
once again.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So I lived in New York in nineteen ninety nine
and two thousand and that was I rode the subway.
I didn't see any of the bad things to talk about.
It really was a beautiful time. And I think, and
that's my memories of New York are so great now
when I go back, or even when I see on
the news what's happening, the rise in crime and just
(11:25):
these policies that you talk about, Deblasio's policies of cashlest
bail and letting people back out on the streets and
not locking up criminals, and those things they matter, and
they matter so quickly, I mean, and that's the shocking
thing is Why is it so hard to understand that
(11:45):
these things matter? And then you have Mom Donnie who's
out there campaigning on having legalizing sex work. You just
think about letting criminals out and then having women as
these sex It was because we all know what that means.
I don't understand how people don't say, Wow, how could
you have a system where you legalize pimps and have
(12:07):
women as slaves two men? I mean, this is insane.
How is this happening in New York City?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And New York keeps just trying these bad ideas, Like
New York is the only city in the country that
has legalized marijuana for use on the street, like you smell.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It somewhere so bad.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, And it's sad because you know, I would say
that a previous version of myself wanted to criminalize marijuana,
but nobody ever said legalize it for people to smoke
in front of kids' schools, which was exactly what was
happening when we lived in Brooklyn and I only moved
to Florida three years ago. We'd walk our kids to
school and people would be right there, you know, smoking
(12:46):
a fatty in the morning. And it was a different
New York than what had functioned, and you could see
the disarray developing, and all that kind of stuff goes together.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Right, we don't allow.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
People to drink in the streets, but for some reason,
smoking weed, which actually affects other people with its smell,
that's somehow allowed. And so all of this was just
And it's interesting about cashless bail. It was actually, you know,
Andrew Cuomo and then Kathy Hochel, they're the ones who
pushed the cashless bail, and they're sort of considered the
moderates of the democratic right.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
People are like, well, would be better if Cuomo won.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Right, exactly what Deblasio did that really hurt the city
was he demoralized the police department. They didn't feel like
the mayor had their back at all. They just when
you have a demoralized police force, they're not doing their
job at a high level. And I think what's interesting
about this current race is that the current mayor, Eric Adams,
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is deeply unpopular.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
He can't crack ten percent in.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
The polls, but he's actually done a lot with the
police department where crime level actually is down. He should
be running on that every single day talking about how
he works with the police Commissioner Tish and how she's
really a great police commissioner in New York police department
has become stronger and better under his command, under her command,
but under his mayoralty. I think that that would be
(14:08):
the smarter move.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But Democrats can never seem to run on crime being bad,
and let's stop that crime. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Let's take a quick commercial break. Will continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. You see what's happening right now
in Washington, d C. It is popular to make sure
that the city is safe. And that's the crazy thing
to see the Democrats bend over backwards to say this
is a problem, that he's making the city safer. And
(14:38):
yet people that live there, even Democrats that live there,
are like, yeah, it's nice to not have to worry
about getting carjacked. I mean that is a terrifying thought
that someone will especially if you have kids. You know,
you're like, oh, at any moment, someone could take my
car and my kids would be in the back. It's
just it's insane that we have to think this way.
I just saw someone who had their car stolen on Twitter.
(14:59):
We're talking about it this morning. Your ex whatever we
call it now. One of the other things I wanted
to get to is that because of your background, you
understand socialism better than any of us. And you lived it,
but your parents lived it, and I think that you
have this firsthand knowledge of how awful it actually was.
You make the comment about socialism because Mamdannie has come
(15:22):
out and said, look, we want to text the white
people more. And you said it in such an interesting way,
because I think that a lot of us go, gosh,
that's a terrible thing to say. But you said, the
cause of socialism needs an enemy, and this is the
way that they get people to say, oh, there are
people that are hoarding more than their fair share. That's
(15:43):
the enemy. We have to go after them. And then
people jump onto that. Even people who are in the
category of the enemy are like, I don't want to
be the enemy, so I'll be on his side.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I believe that.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
About all of leftism. Leftism needs an enemy, and if
it doesn't have one, they start looking for one. Internally,
you start being like, well, you know, you might be
a liberal, but do you really believe do you believe enough?
And they start canceling each other. And we saw that
again in the last few years. Really it hit a high.
But what you saw was they couldn't really cancel Conservatives,
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like what they're going to say to you, Oh, you
culturally appropriated, and you'll say, so what, I don't care
what you say, and that'll be the end of that.
But if you say to somebody on the left, they
start getting nervous and they start apologizing and they know
I would never culturally appropriate, and so the you know,
the firing squad is turned on each other. You see
this all the time in leftism, and so they always
(16:36):
are looking for an enemy. They're always looking for somebody
to oppose. They're always looking for somebody who's the them
for us versus them, And so, yeah, that's what socialism
is all about. It's about you know, they don't create anything.
Socialism doesn't create anything. Capitalism creates. But socialism has to
inevitably say those people aren't creating, they're not doing what
(16:59):
they're supposed to be doing, they're not helping all of us,
and they find someone to turn against. This was a
common story in the Soviet Union, it's common story in
every communist place, at any place that really attempts socialism,
will find that they will have internal strife in this
very serious way because we can't all be equal, we
can't all do the same jobs, and we can't all
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make the same amount of money, and it actually doesn't
work at all, and nobody gets their lives improved. Everybody
just gets their lives reduced and minimized.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So, yeah, I have worried about socialism a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And you know a lot of times you'll see the
Bernie Sanders or whatever of the world be they go,
what are you so afraid of if you're afraid of socialism?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But yeah, I'm afraid of socialism.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It has failed every single time it's been tried. When
Bernie Sanders talks about Swedish socialism and Sweden's like, hey, hey, hey,
don't call us socialists. We are a capitalist country. They
don't want to be socialists because they know that that
system does not function and again failed every time it's
been tried. Is the message that I give to my
kids so that they won't support it when they get older.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It is all around a failed system.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So you have that experience. But like you said, you
can kind of cross go across all of these different
wars and battles that are going on right now. Another
thing that Mamdani has talked about is globalizing the Intifada,
and you made the point that I think that, first
of all, I think people are confused that this has
actually happened before. And this is absolutely going out and
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just murdering people. It's a genocide, There is no He says, well,
you know other people define it differently. No, It's occurred
twice in the Second Intifada. There were thousands of people
that were killed. And you make the point that it
wasn't just Jews, Christians and Muslims were killed too, because
suicide bombers they don't ask your religion before they bomb you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
And look, every time you hear about a car ramming
through a Christmas market, they're not targeting Jews. And that
is globalizing the Intifada. They want to bring.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The struggle, the the ideas that they.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Have to the rest of us, and Americans need to
understand this is not Israel's fight, This is all of
our fights. This is a Western fight. This is a
problem that we're all going to have.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, you have somebody in New York that says, bring
it here, how can it not be a problem we
all have exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And so when you do see these bombings happen in
Western cities, they're not looking for Jews or not targeting Israelis.
They're targeting Westerners, are targeting Christians.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They know what they're doing, and we need to be
concerned about it.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I hate the fact that some part of the right
is turning on Israel because I find it to be
the first line of defense for the West.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like I understand not caring about Israel. I understand. I
even understand, oh, we shouldn't fund them. Fine, I have
a list.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Of countries we shouldn't fund before we stop funding Israel.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But fine, But the idea that they're not our friend,
or that they're not.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
That first line of defense, it makes no sense, and
it just it scares me that people are falling for
that line.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's the scary thing is that it's people who have
been trusted in the past, people that have massive followings,
and I think they are people blindly follow some of
those folks because they've said, oh, I've seen them as
a trusted source. Do you think, how do you think
this happens? I actually am curious because I think these
(20:21):
are people who haven't felt this way in the past.
But I had somebody once say to me, and interestingly,
the person who said this maybe teetering off the edge
of this right now, but they said to me, you know,
what happens is that someone sees their themselves getting attention,
they see their likes increase, they see their retweets increase,
(20:41):
and they go, that's the way to go. And I
don't know if it's the money or it's the fame,
but something draws them into it. And do they really
could they possibly really believe these terrible things about Israel?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, and of course it's not just Israel. They believe
terrible things about Jews in the US and.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Elsewhere as well. We don't need to name the names.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Some of the larger voices on the right have gone
completely insane about this kind of thing. I don't know
if it's money, I don't know if it's just the fame.
There's definitely going to be a Jew hating audience for
a lot of these people.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't think that that's surprising at all.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
The fact that they're leaning into it and are looking
for those eyeballs and those downloads is upsetting. But at
least you kind of know who they are, it's not
it's you know. I find it comforting that they're not
hiding this opinion anymore. If they that's what they've always believed, Like,
just say what you think and let us choose to.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Whether or not to have any respect for you.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And I've liked supposed yourself know exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I'm never looking to shut down anybody's opinion. I want
to hear those opinions so that I know how seriously
or not seriously to take you. And is there some
other factor? Is there Katari money? Obviously we don't know,
and I you know, so it's tough to speculate it,
but it certainly seems that some of the flips that
have happened so suddenly and so rapidly definitely had some
(22:07):
other factor involved.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, there's been a defense of Russia. Obviously, we're all
watching Russia and Ukraine right now. Interestingly, I have a
friend who is Ukrainian and they said to me, I
don't know if we trust Celensky. People in my family
do trust Zelensky. Other people don't trust Selensky. And it's
(22:29):
in truesting to me. Also because when Donald Trump was
impeached the first time, there were a lot of questions
about corruption in Ukraine. However, Russia invaded, this war continues.
Donald Trump makes a fabulous point saying, why would we
allow death to continue? If we don't do anything, another
year goes by. Marco Rubio said, you know what, he's
(22:52):
bringing these people to the White House and we had
a historic summit, and if we do nothing, then another
year of death goes by. Maybe another year of death
will continue, but right now we're working really hard to
stop it. What is your viewpoint on this compared to
just sending money to Ukraine, which I know you said,
your father's Ukrainian, you came from the Soviet Union, So
(23:15):
this is personal.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It is, but it is And look if I had
my magic wand Ukraine defeats Russia, and that's it. But
so again, my mother's, my mother's from Russia, my father,
my father's from Ukraine. But we're Jews, so you were
never considered Russian or Ukrainian. You were always this other
separate category. So it's not like I have a national
allegiance to it. But I just think obviously the country
(23:39):
that was invaded, basically, you know, hopefully can defeat the
larger power that did the invading, but having settled that,
I think Donald Trump is just remarkable in the last
few weeks. I didn't always love Donald Trump. I've had
my ups and downs with Trump. I think this term
has been just sensational. I've been so pleased with so
(24:00):
many different things.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I love that he's.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Trying to bring a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
I think what he's finding is that they don't have
the same.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Sensibilities that we do.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That they're not as horrified by all the death as
we are. It's just a different culture, it's a different mindset.
Life is just not treated quite as the same way
that we treated in the United States. And I think
Donald Trump is seeing that with talking to both Putin
and Zelensky, that neither of them seem in a hurry
to end the bloodshed.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
They both still want the wins.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
That they were trying to get again, I think that
Trump has been just fantastic on this and on many
other things. I've loved the second term. Trump two point
zero has definitely been my favorite Trump of all.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. Life is not that does not
have the same meaning in other countries. I mean, honestly,
even when I saw what happened in Florida with the
truck driver last week, and everybody was like, he's not
even shocked by this, and making no excuses for him.
(25:09):
But I remember when my parents would travel to India
for business a lot. They would come back and they
would say, there's just a different meaning to life there.
People would hit someone in the road and not think
twice about it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Right, It's very crazy to think that that is how
life is treated in other countries.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
But it's important to remember.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That we don't behave the way a lot of other
countries do, and that these countries have always kind.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Of treated their people this way, and you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Know, into the meat grinder sensibility of war has, you know,
it's roots and places like that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I hope that Trump succeeds in getting some sort of
peace agreement, but if he doesn't, I don't think he should.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
See it as a loss for himself.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I don't think he will see it as a loss
for himself, but I think that it is a loss
for the Russian Ukrainian people, and it's because of the
leadership and because of the culture.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
He made this comment about the fact that he was
doing this because he wanted to make a peace agreement
and he thought that this would help him getting to heaven.
That's why my pastor, Yeah, my pastor jumped on that
this weekend though he was like, Okay, hey, this is
not biblical. That is not how you get into heaven.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So I think Trump getting shot. I really think he
has become more faithful.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Totally, because you know, I'm like, this is a step
that here he is talking about that you know, and
I agree with you. It's like, it's so funny because
you can be in your late seventies and still be
young in faith and be learning. And that to me
was like, yes, that is not necessarily what we believe
(26:53):
in our church. And I know there are some church
that believe acts of service will be we'll get you there.
But I do think that that is it's interesting to
see him speak that way, and I think that that
is something that you talk about being able to practice
your faith and do that in New York. And I
think that's why there are people who are concerned about
(27:15):
this idea of what could be if New York changes.
And I think about what you said about it being
different in the seventies, and now you know you have
the potential for it to go a different direction again.
But what do you think. I'll just end it on this, mom.
Donnie has been a proponent of communes and taking over buildings,
(27:39):
having communities by the building. But now if you're in government,
and he's been in the legislature for a while, so
now if he takes over his mayor, what's to say
he doesn't buy up whole communities and get rid of
communities that were there. You know, that's been a concern
in Detroit, the minority neighborhoods have been purchased and bulldozed.
You know, what's to say that that doesn't happen in
(28:01):
New York and then suddenly you have communes all over
in religion is not allowed.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, you know, it's not as far fetched as it
sounds to say that, because I actually don't think that
he'll succeed in taking over buildings. New York just doesn't
have the budget for this kind of thing, and they
actually spend all the money they have and often need more.
They it's very wasteful city management, and I don't think
he's going to be less so.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But when he doesn't succeed.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
In any of the things that he promised, when he
doesn't when he's not able to freeze the rent, when
he doesn't have the government owned grocery stores, when none
of that, when the free buses have failed completely because
they always fail, what does he do then? And I
have to imagine he appeases his leftist base by going
after Jews, by going after Christians.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
And I think that you're you're not far off.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
To imagine that he's going to have a sinister, kind
of underlying thing that he's going to be doing in
order to appease that left this base when all of
his you know, economic policies have inevitably failed.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You know, it just made me think. I have for
the years that I've been in politics, I've had people
say to me, you know, if we can help build
up the church and bring the church into these communities,
we can help build up these communities. And what I've seen,
without really noticing, is that the left continues to try
to destroy the church. They do everything they can to
(29:27):
drive faith out of communities. And you're right, if that is,
if you can't achieve anything else that is on your agenda.
That is an easy target.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
That's exactly it, and that's what they always go for.
That's what the communists always do. Religion has to go
in order for the people to worship the government.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Very true, and religion is joy and if you take
away joy, then you create this reliance. There's only there's
only one way to get by, and that is to
go to the government and have them take care of you.
And even I just heard Jocelyn Benson, who is running
for governor and Michigan say this. She was like, you know,
we've got people working two jobs and they can't make
the they can't make it by, and that's where the
(30:07):
government has to come in and fill in those gaps.
And I was like, it's open, it's not even they're
not even hiding it. This is the this is exactly
what they're saying. So you know what, You've lived it,
and I appreciate you being willing to come on and
talk about it today, and I appreciate you being in
the network with me.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Thank you so much, tutor.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I love listening to your show and I love seeing
you at events. It's really always a good time.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It is. It's always fun. Carol Markowitz make sure you
check out her podcast. You've got to tell us where
they are.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
The Carol Markowitz Show is my interview show, largely non political,
and then I co host normally with Mary Katherine Ham where.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
We do news of the day.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Awesome, Thank you so much, thanks for being here. Thank you,
and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor
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