September 9, 2024 • 46 mins
In this episode, Tom Jordan, a Michigan-based talk show host, joins Tudor to discuss media bias and suppression of free speech. They highlight the lack of critical thinking and intellectual stagnation caused by the media's promotion of a single narrative. Tom shares his firsthand experience of bias and pushback in the media industry, both at the national and state levels. They also discuss the media's role in suppressing information about Joe Biden's alleged corruption and the need for journalists to speak truth to power. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think this episode
is going to be somewhat of a I guess, explosive episode,
somewhat of a mind opening episode, because I've talked quite
a bit about how biased the media is, but now
we have someone from Michigan who experienced it first hand.
Had Tom Jordan is with me. He is a Michigan
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based talk show host and he's launching a new show
this month. It's called Tom Jordan Live. But he was
one of the top radio hosts in Detroit at what
we thought was a conservative station. And I have to
say I went on the station multiple times while I
was running, and I struggled a lot with many of
the hosts, even though it was supposed to be conservative.
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The station is called WJR, and I applaud you Tom
for coming on and talking about this because it's hard.
And I think that when I was running, as I
was going through some of the issues that I went
through with the hosts there who were always trying to
paint into a corner and say, oh, no, you're wrong
because of this, and you're thinking, wait a minute, I
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thought this was supposed to be the open radio station,
the non biased radio station, but you're here today to
say you actually had some pushback even behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, and Tudor, first of all, thanks for having me on.
And you've been very openly discussing this issue for quite
some time and I have as well. And I don't
want to represent like as if WJR is the only
station or media out of that's like this. This is
systemic throughout our society. And I think what people. I
spoke to a gentleman the other day who asked me
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a question, this is I think three or four days ago,
because is it true. Do you think that the media
has some sort of bias to it? Because I'm kind
of sensing that. I'm like, are you kidding? Yes, absolutely,
maybe it goes back many years. I think it goes
back to this whole issue of free speech and you know,
the First Amendment, freedom of the press, and those kinds
of issues. And I think if you do not have
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free speech, if you suppress speech any type of way,
you're effectively granting more power to the maybe the political elites,
the ones who happened to be empowered during that time.
And I think if what it ends up doing is
it causes kind of an intellectual stagnation with people in
this country where critical thinking has gone out the window
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and you start accepting whatever is being told to you
because it comes down to one single narrative that we're
seeing in the media, and that's the accepted narrative. Where
it used to be a whole world of different ideas
and thoughts. We would argue those things out and the
media was kind of the guard the guardian, I guess
a free speech and that has changed or quite I
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would say it's been going on a long time, but
it really reared its ugly head in twenty twenty, which
I know you've witnessed it well. I think that's what
inspired you to run for governor because you saw what
was happening in our state, in the state of Michigan,
and there are three critical things that happened that year.
It was a residential election year. The media, including the
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outlet I worked at at the time, and most of
my career was in the news media, we were absolutely
suppressing the entire side for the most part because of
the hatred towards Donald Trump, so reporters and producers and
just would not give him or his side the time
of day. Heavily and I think wrongfully fact checked. But
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at the same time, President Biden got a pass on
all the allegations of corruption that were going on throughout
his lifestyle, even some personal serious allegations against him personally,
although that was buried.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, I mean you look at the laptop, you look
at all those things. Yeah, that was all buried. But
I think that most of us, or I think the
general feeling in the country, even among Democrats, is that, Okay, well,
the only time you had a government official going to
somewhat of a media company was the situation that we
saw with Twitter, with Facebook, where we know that the
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White House and and agencies associated with White House in
the federal government, we're going to these social media outlets
and saying, oh, you can't say this, you can't say this,
You've got to stop these people from talking. But what
you have indicated is that even on the state level,
in a radio setting, at a radio station, you had
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elected officials going and saying, we don't like that you
allowed this. We will punish you for this, and that
punishment could just be w You're not going to have
access to us anymore. And we don't push back card
enough against that either, because you look at they keep
putting up this graphic of something like Donald Trump's done
thirty four interviews and Kamala Harris has done one. Well,
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this should be not This should be a situation where
even the leftist media is saying, Okay, we're not going
to give you kudos, We're not going to just hand
out your talking points. You've got to actually come on
here and talk yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah. And they're the party that says they're trying to
protect democracy and have Kamala hair even get in the
position sheason now she certainly didn't win a single vote
where it was back in twenty twenty in that in
that election when she ran for president, and certainly not now.
She has never won a primary, and somehow she is
the candidate for the Democratic Party. But the media is
playing cover. If you just kind of I think rightfully
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clarified because she's done one interview and they're not outraged
by it. Donald Trump, I'll give you an example of
this is just every day Like so, the company I
was working for at the time was CBS News, and
CBS News is known as this, you know, gold standard
of objectivity in intellectualism and journalism. They're nothing of the sort.
I saw the interworkings of CBS News and then how
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it funneled down to our station in Detroit, a CBS
News station, and we weren't doing journalism. So even today.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They explain what you mean by that.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, So what in twenty twenty the news room was
probably about ninety seven ninety eight percent probably registered Democrats,
very liberal reporters. Now, so that's the same thing at
the network level CBS News. So a lot of the
information they would cover Donald Trump on a daily basis,
a lot of the information they were reporting on was
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from a heavily democratic perspective, so when it came into
our newsroom, I would try to reframe it to be
more objective. There was so much pushback in that newsroom.
In the news room it was a twenty four hours
it was WWJ, CBS owned and operated for many, many years.
There was so much pushback to covering both sides of
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a presidential electioneer. Okay, So there was that. Then there
was COVID that came in and we were told specifically
that we had to support not just in our personal lives,
but publicly on the air the lockdowns that were occurring
across the station, and of course Governor Gretcha Whimer's lockdowns
in the state of Michigan. And you can understand maybe
the fifteen days, you know, to flatten the curve kind
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of thing. But after we realized what was happening and
we knew more about the virus at that time, that
little kids were very unlikely to get not even you know,
die from this, but to even get sick or to
show symptoms. The most vulnerable population were the elderly in
the state. Governor Gretchen Whitmer's policies allowed COVID patients to
recover in nursing homes. And we weren't allot allowed to
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talk about that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, and let's be honest about that, because it wasn't
as though we didn't have any scientific data to go from,
because they are, you know, talking about science, the Party
of Science, all of that. Beloney. Brian Kemp of Georgia,
the governor of Georgia opened a state after fifteen days.
Then I will say, even at that time, Trump was like, oh,
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I don't know about this. But then you watch a
state like Georgia, a a populated state. You have city
urban centers there that are very populated you're using you're
using public transit, those all of those things that we
were concerned about. You're watching in real time. Georgia didn't
have any more deaths than Michigan had. And then you
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started to see Texas open up, in Florida open up,
in South Dakota open up, and you have scientific data
right there. Kids are going back to school, they're not
getting sick. We were not allowed to say that, not
allowed to talk about that, not allowed to point to
what was actually happening in life and say, wait a minute,
these states are okay. They have figured out how to
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make sure that people can continue to make money, continued
go to school, and yet also be safe.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, So when I saw Gretchen Wimer making all these mandates,
and I also played some sound soundbites from the National
Institutes of Health early on, I think it was May
of twenty twenty who was warning and said, I've spoken
to every governor in the state. That would include Gretchen Wimer,
that would include Gavin news and that said, if you
do these lockdowns and they persist, the effects of these
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lockdowns on the mental health of kids, where the suicide
rate was going through the roof directly related to these
lockdowns and the quarantine, and the isolation that will persist,
and the economic, i'm sorry, educational outcomes will persist for
years after the quarantine is lifted. They all had this information,
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and they knew by a lot of epidemiologists and infectious
disease specialists how this virus was going to work and
who would be targeted. So they had this information that
wasn't allowed in the public square. To be honest with you,
when I realized what was happening, and then I see
greshen Wermer protesting the twenty twenty riots in Detroit, arm
in arm with people as we were as told to
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stay home and don't go out in public and stay
six feet at least apart from everybody else. And there
she is marching with hundreds of people. I thought, I
said in my newsroom to the people that I said,
I no longer I was giving her the benefit of death,
that maybe she believed this said, I no longer believe
that she thinks this virus is dangerous and deadly. So
how could you not believe that? Look at her live
right now on the screen. She is doing exactly what
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she says. If we do, we will be we will
kill people if we do what she's doing right now.
There's no way she believes it, and that's given her
the benefit of the doubt, because if she does believe it,
she's complicit in the murder of all these people. So
at that point I realized we are we are in
an industry right now that is refusing to acknowledge the
truth or even challenge the status quo. I decided to
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leave the news business and get into something that I
thought was going to be, you know, an open dialogue
about these issues, which was talk radio. So up until
twenty twenty one, I was a journalist. So the journalist
ministry had completely betrayed not just me, but the entire
you know, populist of the United States and really globally.
If you look at it, and I.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Can see why you would say, okay, talk radio is
the choice, because that's even what you hear from the
TV media who say, oh, talk radio is so dangerous
because it's conservative, it's so dangerous. But then you went
to talk radio and you found out that it's even
infiltrated talk radio.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, I did, and I was surprised when I first
got there. There were certain issues we couldn't talk about it.
And you can guess which issues we were allowed to
talk about at that point. It became vaccines, that they
were all positive and any negative talk about vaccines was
considered conspiracy theory. If you dare mention election fraud, that
absolute conspiracy theory is all been adjudicated in the course,
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you can't touch it, and well it hasn't been adjudicated
in the courts. They wouldn't allow the evidence to be presented. Nope,
that's our position. So that was happening, but I still
would broach those issues. But my time there was surprising
to me because it was a lot of pushback that
I was somehow too negative. They wanted more a positive approach,
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and I said, I'd like to, but I sure would
like some support. When we're dealing with politicians who come
on the program and they tell us something that is
demonstrably false, we need to push back against that. So
I was allowed for a while to do it. The
advertising department don't like it. They didn't want me to
talk about abortion at a time when the state was
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going I think considering the most extreme initiative regarding abortion
in the history of the United States, which was top three,
which does effectively allow abortion for all nine months of pregnancy,
and it also would allow miners to get sex change
surgeries without their parents' acknowledgment. All those things were being
considered under the guise of freedom for you know, in
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parental rights. All this was a lie, and I would
call it out and it was not very much welcomed
amongst the upper management at that station, which again shocked me.
All of that came to fruition. You know, that passed,
and now these things are happening in the state, as
we rightly called it back then, and so I became
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growing more and more frustrated about it. But recently, the
last few months, I was specifically told specifically that we're
going to change the way we do things. You're not
going to share opinions through the majority of the broadcast.
You're going to introduce a subject matter, You'll bring on
the guests. You'll let the guests say whatever he or
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she wants to say about it. And then if this time,
at the end of a segment, you can maybe discuss
what you thought about the segment.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You can't push back on the guest.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Can't push back I did anything, do you think.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's because Democrats were saying we won't come back, and
they were afraid that they wouldn't be able to get
guests anymore. And really, should we be allowing politicians to say,
I won't do radio, I won't do interviews. I mean,
I'm guessing, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I think there's three main reasons. I think one of
them is just as you described. I think I know
that politicians were calling our station and would not come
on my program because I would ask those questions, or
I was a conservative. I am admittedly a conservative, and
there are a lot of people. I think it's important
to be honest with where you stand on issues and
to be okay with that, and to let the other
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person be honest. If they're a liberal, you're a liberal.
This is why you believed, Kamala Harris that there should
be ev mandates, even though now you don't think they
should for some odd reason. Just be honest with where
you stand, make your case, and let's have a healthy
dialogue about those issues, and let at the end the
listener of the viewer is going to decide who's telling
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the truth or who has the most expertise in that
particular topic. But that's why you do this. This is
the American way, but now it's no longer allowed to
be discussed. So one of the reasons was because of
the politicians I think putting their thumb on the scales
making phone calls. There's intimidation not just in our outlet,
but in the whole slew of news outlets around the country.
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But I can specifically name if I would, I'm not
going to right now. But because it's the case with
all of them, newsrooms are being called by heavy hitters
within the far left progressive ideology camps, and that includes
a Democratic Party that if you do this, we're not
going to come on your show, We're not going to
be as accessible to you. So I was specific be
told we want to have continued access to these people.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Which you don't anyway, they don't give you access, no.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
But even if they don't, that's on them, right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Can you imagine a time when you're you have the
politician who wants to get elected by the people saying
I won't talk to the people unless you do what
I say. How how is that the person you want
to vote for?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's not And you know, I think what we need
to do as journalists who claim they're speaking truth to
power is to truly speak truth to power and go
on the air or write in your piece that so
and so refuses to come on our program because we
criticized her, or we allowed someone else on our program
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who criticized him or her. That's not something we pull
back from. That is our job as journalists. And so
that's gone by wayside. So now and talk radio news
analysis and a public opinion when that's starting to be
you know, and I'm not saying every station does this,
but this one I just worked at is doing this.
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And they specifically told me that we no longer want
to be considered a conservative talk radio station conservative and label.
We're trying to shed that label that we've been tagged with,
so we don't want to be considered that any longer.
I said, what do you want us to do? Then?
Straight news? Nope, not news, okay, not opinion. We want
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you just to basically, I think, be a bulletin board.
So you just open up the airwaves and let people
say stuff and then you never challenge them on it,
and then you go, thank you for coming, best friend.
I don't think that's what our job is. This certainly wasn't.
My job certainly was not. And the reason why I
believe this much the same as you do, Tutor, that
the reason why I think is important is because all
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of these policy decisions affect every day Americans and if
we don't address those issues, then those people, including ourselves,
but everyone else is going to be harmed by them.
Under the guys that this is good for unity in
our society, just trust us hear if you hear from
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any other source other than your secretary state or your
attorney general or you're a governor, and consider all of
that disinformation. The only truth comes from us. Right.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We would be remiss if we
didn't say this is really directed to one party. You
can't push back on one party, but they're willing to
push back on conservatives. They're willing to go after the conservatives.
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I mean, we had this experience on the radio station
that you were on. We had an interview and I
look back at it now and I just find it
fascinating because I had come out very hard in the
campaign against the Chinese battery factory that was coming to Michigan,
having been in manufacturing, understanding the connection between Chinese manufacturing
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and the destruction of American manufacturing, but also understanding the
relationship right now between the United States and China. All
of those things dangerous. And we were talking about a
maybe maybe twenty five or twenty three hundred jobs over
a ten year period. We had gone through this before.
With this, we have a sore fund in Michigan. They
put in billions of dollars, They give it to big
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corporations under the promise of jobs, and then the Democrats
come out and announced We've got thirty thousand. We just
created thirty thousand jobs. Nobody ever corrects them and says,
wait a minute, you're talking about you might have created
thirty thousand jobs over the next ten years. Now, in
this case, it was maybe twenty three hundred jobs. Then
it went to I think it was like nineteen hundred,
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and then it went to fifteen hundred. And this is
maybe this many jobs over ten years time. We were
giving them almost a billion dollars three quarters of a
billion dollars of tax breaks and taxpayer money to come here.
They were associated, they were oh owned by the Chinese
and the guy on your radio station, says one third owned.
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And how do you explain this to the people of
Macosta County that you don't care about these jobs? And
I kept pushing back and saying, you are talking about
an adversary of the United States. We are taking taxpair
money and giving it to them. Well you flash forward
to now. The people of that county of Green Township,
they fought against it. They believe that they have Goshen
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completely out of the county. And I'm like, he's telling me,
I've gone there. They're excited about these jobs. They want
these jobs. Well you know why, you know why initially
they were excited about the jobs. Nobody explained that all
of the legislators, the governor, and the person who's running
for US Senate right now signed non disclosure agreements, So
you didn't even know what was being made at the factory.
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You don't know the chemicals that are being used at
the factory. Nobody knew at the time that they would
be sucking seven hundred thousand gallons of water out of
the watershed every single day. And then where would that
water go once it's contaminating, because it's not like they're
bottling it and sending it to people like Neslie. They
are going to take that water out and run forever
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chemicals through that water, and then where does it go.
This is our farmland, this is our water. This is
where we were consuming water from the same area fifteen
miles down the street. That company that they were so
mad about years ago taking water is bottling water so
that people across the nation and in other countries can
drink the water. So how are we not going to
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call out the reality of the situation, And that, to
me is the frustrating part about this media. The people
of Macosta County didn't know because there was a non
disclosure agreement signed, so they didn't even realize the danger
of what was coming to their community.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's sickening, And you're right to me, I've always thought,
even in twenty twenty and all this talk about election interference,
the media is to blame. If you want to talk
about fraud, you know, you can wipe out all those
other conversations about you know, signature fraud or you know
what happened with the voting machines, and you can just say, Okay,
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if the media itself did its job, Joe Biden would
not be president of the United States. There's not a
chance because of what has been revealed and still being
you know, the attempted, the attempted to suppress that information
about what Joe Biden has been doing for maybe decades
with these foreign adversaries, including China whom you just mentioned,
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Ukraine in Russia, and you go down.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The list personal business with these.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Business you know, at least twenty seven million dollars has
come into the Biden family, a family with very little
experience in those particular industries other than the fact they
had a really good contact and that contact at the
time was Vice President of the United States. They got
access to him. So all of this has been suppressed,
and yet Donald Trump gets impeached for a phone call
to Loryda Maye Zelenski, the president of Ukraine. We're saying, hey,
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find out if Joe Biden, if what he did and
when he was bragging about about firing that prosecutor, and
then you'll get your billion dollars. Why not if that's true,
and if it is, you might want to investigate it.
Because of that, he got impeached when he was looking
he wanted to look into the actual evidence of corruption
that had existed for that. I guess this whole projectionism
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that the Democratic Party has now become known for.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's what blows my mind about them being mad about
the Supreme Court decision. I mean, president's having immunity for
discussions like whether or not you have drones go out.
And I mean, look at what Obama could be held
accountable for. Do you want a president who has to
pause and say, hey, am I going to go to
prison because I decided to make a call that we're
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going to send drones into a war zone? Because Obama
could have to worry about that. Joe Biden, gosh, he
could have to worry about a lot. I guess he's
not worried because the man is on his deathbed as
it is, so maybe he just doesn't care. I mean,
this is how short sighted the Democrat Party is because
they just want to win and they don't have anybody calling.
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They actually have no fear because they don't have a
media that's going to call them out. Meanwhile, the media
not only does this, but they lie. It's not it's
not that they protect Democrats. They also lie about Republicans
and we've experienced this firsthand. I mean, just this past week,
We've had to deal with this, and I question, what
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do you do when you have a media that picks
up a lie and then they they push that lie,
they push that lie about a candidate, and they help
the Democrats. I mean, they did it to me multiple times.
Like I said, they're still doing it to me. They
did to me during the race saying this maloney about
you know, this candidate says that she would she thinks
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that girls should be forced to have babies and all.
I mean, they knew that that was an out and
out lie that I never said that that exactly if
they had been honest about Prop three and taking away
the parental consent, they know that. What I was concerned
about was the fact that we could have abusers and
traffickers in this state that would never have to be
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held accountable because there was a protection in place in
the state of Michigan that said parents have to know
if a child under a certain age is coming in
to get an abortion, because parents should know if their
child was abused. They never reported on that. Honestly, I
believe that candidates in the past have been told you
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have no choice. You're a public figure, you can't sue
I think it's time for us to take it back
legally and go after these places and say you can't
just out and not lie about me. You can't say
these things that are not true.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
At the very least, they should be exposed for people
understanding that they are not getting the truth. During your campaign,
obviously we covered it. We had you on our show
on WJR. We try to be very fair with you,
Kevin Deeds and me. But I did listen to the
other programs. I did watch the other outlets when it
came to Tutor Dixon as this extremist, and I thought, no,
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she's actually a conservative, and that's the opposite of extremism.
You're trying to conserve what are just primarily American values.
And the way that it's mischaracterized and these issues are mischaracterized,
for example, in abortion itself is just reproductive rights, Well, no,
it's the opposite of reproduction. You're actually killing a baby
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in the world. I am a staunch supporter of the
pro life movement because I do believe there's a human
in that woman's body. And yes, men should have a
right to speak up about this too. I've heard too
many men say I'm a man, I shouldn't say anything. No,
you're a man, so man talk about it and use
them they should have a right to say something.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
About right exactly. And they use these examples that they go,
oh gosh, there's this extreme situation, and I think that
there are extreme situations, and the problem with extreme situations
in society as it is now is that you're not
allowed to have a conversation about extreme conversations because it's
not about it the extremes. For them, you don't have
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an abortion truck outside of the DNC because you're afraid
that someone ended up getting raped in their bedroom. Like that.
They're promoting this as a lifestyle, they're promoting this as
a form of birth control. And that's where you have
people in the Life Movement and her are saying, do
you not understand what this actually is? This is abortion
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is not a form of birth control. But they lie
and they say that's not what we're saying until it
comes to the point where they see that they're winning.
And then you've got people like I think it was
Ashley Judd who went out and said women need to
be able to space their children out and that's why
abortion is so important. Okay, so you're admitting, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
This is that's wherever it also admitted that, you know,
this is good. Abortions are good for the economy because
more women will be in financial planning. It's absurd. So
that is the real reason behind all this.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Going rare anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No. In fact, even I forget her name. She's a
Democrat within the state legislature. She has at time voted
at odds with Gretchen Wimer and the other Democrats because
she believes in certain things. She has some values, and
she voted against some of these bills that were coming
through the legislature as a result of the constitutional amendment,
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which Drop three allowed. That takes away the sanitary requirements
of an abortion clinic. It takes away and the informed
consent issues, It takes away the twenty four hour waiting period.
And she said, hold on a second, why are those
things considered bad. Shouldn't whenever you have a procedure, and
it is a surgical procedure, shouldn't you know all the
risks that are involved. Shouldn't you know? But maybe potentially
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other options. Pro choice means you're presented different information. All
of that has been stripped away, And she was concerned
about it. But of course she had been censured before
by her own party because she just decided to take
druction of cor quin saved her life, and that was
not a good democratic talking point to take hydroxychloroquin for
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COVID when you're about to die and end up reversing
the symptoms, so they cens your here for.
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actually why those doctors went to the Supreme Court about mifipristone,
because they said, well, I think that you should have
to have an appointment ahead of time. They didn't say
they wanted to take away. They said they wanted to
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have an appointment ahead of time. And you make me think,
because there's never been a time when I've been about
to have a procedure and I've had I've gone through cancer,
and I've had multiple surgeries, and there's never been a
point where I went into my doctor's office and they
were like, you know what we're going to cut today.
We're going in there. This is what it is. They
always said, these are your options. These are the different
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options in your situation that you have and you do.
No matter what situation you're in, you generally have a
few different options that you can go through. And I
decided that I would go to a different doctor and
talk about my options with them too. I had a
waiting period. It was not I didn't see it as
a waiting period. I saw it as a time for
me to go through what a major surgery would be,
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what a major decision in my life would be. And
it was, Okay, here's what we know about your situation.
We'll have another appointment here and we'll talk about it then.
And that, to me is where all healthcare should be.
I mean, why wouldn't we have that thinking period? Why
wouldn't we do that? And you know, I've had people say, well,
(30:46):
in this state, you can't have this. You can have this,
but you can't have that, and you should be able
to have everything in every state. But you know, I
had the same thing when I had cancer treatment too.
I didn't have my cancer treatment in Michigan. I had
it in Maryland because it was a better option for
me what I was doing there. And yeah, it's dunk
that I had to go there, and I had to
spend my extra time and money to get to Maryland.
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But it was the best care I could get in
the moment for what I was dealing with. And so
this idea that everything should just be right at your fingertips,
I mean, life is hard and decisions are challenging, and
you have to go through things in different spaces, in
different areas. I also think that you have to look
at this situation with Roe v. Wade. They say, oh,
(31:32):
Trump overturned this. Let's unpack that for a second, because
what happened is in Mississippi, they changed their law from
a twenty four to twenty eight weeks to fifteen weeks,
and they knew that would go to the Supreme Court.
They knew if they fought that it would go to
the Supreme Court. They also knew that that Roe was
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decided incorrectly. They knew that the Supreme Court would have
to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Was robur Ginsburg even admitted as much.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Exactly so they understood. But the bizarre thing was in Mississippi,
they only had one clinic, abortion clinic, and they only
ever performed abortions up to sixteen weeks, and their law
was up to fifteen weeks unless there were fetal abnormality
or a danger to the mother's health. So truly it
was no change. They knew what they were doing. The
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Democrats overturned Roe v. Wade because they knew that they
would have the political advantage. It has nothing to do
with caring about women.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I agree with you, and you would know more than
I do because you're a woman and I'm not. But
I sure do know a lot of women, and I
know a lot of women who are pro life. And
this notion that somehow this is all to protect women
discounts the millions and millions of women who completely disagree
with these types of policies and the interventions from the
government to allow and really promote not just another option,
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really promote abortion. They want that. And you touched on that.
Being at the DNC there's a mobile abortion clinic. Come
on in, you can get and done right now. As
Kamala Harris is going to take a stage. Whatever is
it's a promotion of that. And I think I spoke
to a pro choice friend of mine the other day
and I explain what happens when you walk into a
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planned parenthood clinic versus when you walk into a pregnancy
resource center and the kind of care and compassion and
options that are available in a pregnancy resource center to
a woman who is struggling a very, very big time
with an maybe an unplanned pregnancy, maybe it's a teenager
and she's grieving this, and there's a lot of very
compassionate people that will walk her through it and yes,
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encourage her to have the baby. But here's how we're
going to help you. Know, we're going to provide your
baby formula or diapers if you want to adopt the baby.
We have all these people willing and a waiting to
do that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Wait or is that a choice? Is the getting a
choice there?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Alyssi Slockin said that is dangerous to women.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
One thing they don't provide is the killing of a
baby in that young teenager's womb and explaining the ramifications.
I mean, how many women have had an abortion and
are grieving still to this day, even if it was
forty years ago. They don't talk about those issues. And
I take it all back to the media of today,
is this is basicly a dereliction of duty what we
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all signed up to do. I got into it because
I love the objectivity. I love the various dialogue of
all these consequential issues that affect everybody, I think in
this country at least one of them does at some point.
So let's get it all on the table there and
let the chips fall where they may and help people
decide what is the truth here through argumentation, through confrontation
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in a respectful manner. But disagreeing with somebody doesn't mean
you hate them. You want to find out the truth.
And that's what journalism, I think, used to be. Now
it's nothing of the sort. There is a bunch of
activists who are being trained in these JAY schools at
various state universities around the country, and I've spoken to
many of them who say they want to get into
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journalism because they want to change the world and they
want to fight back against the systemic racism that exists
in the United States of America. Like, well, that's not journalism, right,
that's activism. You want to be a politician, that's what
you want to do. What you're doing in this class
for that purpose, you're kind of mismatching. But that's no
longer the case because I'm I think the odd one
out here in that particular journalism program.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I mean we watched during the campaign, we watched outlets
that had historically been journalistic outlets changed overnight, become radicalized.
And I don't say that lightly. These people are not journalists.
They are radicalized against the Republican Party, and they are
so blatantly open about it. They don't even try to
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hide it. If I say something, they'll twist it up
and put it out there. Oh gosh, this she's that.
And you know, at the end of the day, if
you look at someone who values life, values family, you're
probably going to get somebody who's going to look at
what happened with this school shooting in Georgia and say
enough is enough. We're going to actually sit down and say,
(35:59):
what are we to do? How can we put some
safeguards in place? Instead of just blaming the other side,
let's come together and talk about implementing some policies that
we can see how they affect this, if we can
stop these things from happening. Being someone who loves life
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has joy about life, that should not be such a negative.
But think about where we are today. So easy to
say you're a demon if you believe that the life
of someone matters, And I mean the life of someone
no matter how old they are, if they are in
the womb, or if they are sixteen years old, or
they are fourteen years old at the state Fair, or
they are eighteen years old at a block party in Detroit,
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or they're at a splash pad. I don't care who
you are. I want to make sure that you have
a great life and live life to the fullest. You're
not worried about being shot or killed, or having somebody
come into your school in the middle of the school day.
You don't have to worry about those things. I don't
hear that. I mean if life doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter at any level.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
You're a true conservative and you believe in the Bill
of Rights, it spells out all those individual rights that
individual people have in this country. It doesn't matter if
it's a single person in power or a large group
of massive people in power. No one, whether single or
millions of people, has a right to strip you of
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your pursuit of happiness. And so we had this idea
that democracy just means, you know, the more people vote,
that's what gets dictated in this country. Well, no, fifty
one percent of the people cannot infringe on the rights
of forty nine percent of the people. If you're doing
something that prohibits a single individual from exercising their freedom
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to pursue happiness, so long as they're not infringing on
someone else's rights, then you're violating the Constitution. And right
now that is happening enlarge mass in mass in the
Democratic Party. If enough people agree with it, I'm sorry.
You're in the minority now, So you have to do
what we tell you. You have to do, regardless of
what your conscience tells you. That is not democracy, maybe
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a pure democracy, but it's certainly not constitutional republic. And
that's what our country has founded on. That's why the
Constitution still matters. And that's what conservatives believe. In the
original reading and the intent of the original authors of
the Constitution, what did they believe about individuals in this country?
And I was called the other day a fascists because
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I believe in this. I'm like, this is the opposite
of fascism. It is the direct opposite of what communists
want to do in this country very actively. It's the
direct opposite of socialism, where the government ends up being
your god who provides you everything that you need, including healthcare,
including a basic universal income, including all these different things
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that the government wants to hand you. Money for childcare,
money to go put a down payment on a house,
So give you twenty five thousand dollars. No, no, no,
that's not your role. Role is to find a way
to earn that so I can buy my own house
and truly have my own property. By the way, Woodrow Wilson,
one of the original progressives, did not believe in property
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rights because I made government too inefficient. It was harder
to get stuff done in the government if people had
property rights. He didn't believe in the three branches of government,
the separated I could.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Say that you can see that even in Harris she
wants government to own property. And you have to look
at this and say, this goes beyond people saying, you know,
I want to protect healthcare and I want to protect this.
What you have to peel back the layers of the
onion and realize is that they're hiding your rights from you.
They're going into our inner city schools and saying you
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can never achieve in this country. You do not have rights.
People will remove your rights. You don't have. You're not equal,
and we hear this all the time. We're not going
to rest until women have the same rights as men,
until minorities have the same rights as whites. And it's
like you are being lied to about the fact that
you don't have rights, and that allows them to control
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certain groups of people. And it makes me sick when
I think about the fact that we are being told
that we have no opportunity. Look at the DNC. You've
got Michelle Obama saying, you know, there's no generational wealth
for us, and you can't achieve this. Look at she
has four homes, she was first Lady of the United States,
her husband was the president. Don't tell me you cannot
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achieve in this country. Look at Oprah who comes out
and she says, I've experienced racism, I've experienced sexism, and
look at this. In this country, you can become Oprah.
Oprah is like a name that people associate with the
American dream, right, like Oprah's a word and of itself,
She's become an adjective, you know, like Oprah describes the
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American dream. I mean the fact that they are telling
people you don't have rights by showing them that we've
actually used those rights to achieve the ultimate utopian dream
in our own lives. It's asinine, but people believe it.
And that's the frustration for me watching these things, I'm like, stop,
let's stop telling kids you can't become something. Let's go
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into communities where they are struggling and show them exactly
what they can become. You can do this.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
That was the whole purpose. Why you know, Donald Trump
and Tim Scott came into Detroit and developed these opportunities
zones or primarily minority communities, basically African Americans in Detroit
itself is like I think, the city of the ninety
percent African American population, and they provide They wanted people
to realize, Okay, you can far beyond what the government
(41:37):
says they will give you on welfare whatever to help
you get by. This is how you actually earn money.
This is how you become wealthy. This is how generational
wealth work. And you can take that money. You can
work your whole life, make millions of dollars and then
pass it along to your children and then your grandchildren.
Kamina Harris comes in, and you're right to say this
because she's a direct connection like Woodrow Wilson would be
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thrilled to know that his dreams are coming to fruition
with a person like Kamala Harris, because she is a
full blown socialist. She's denying it right now for a
period of sixty more days or whatever it is, take
her plus minus a couple days there until she gets
in office, and she will implement the things she says
she always supports. She will rip away private insurance she
wants to do that. This is a socialist mindset and
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ideology that again, the government provides everything for you don't
work on your own. And we've never seen this work.
We've always seen in socialist countries the poor remains poor,
and then everyone else joins them, and then the very top,
you know, half a percent of the elite in power
are the ones who become wealthy and they live luxurious
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lifestyles while they control everybody else. That is a socialist
slash communist country, and that is what these policies will
lead to if the media doesn't call her out for
what it is. And I guess the other reason why
I think this is happening is because I think the
academic academia has taught all these new generation of journalists
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that really what freedom is is socialism. That their rights
include the right to free healthcare insurance. They have a
right to a universal basic income. They have a right
to be you know, get their electricity bills paid for.
They have a right to be given a job that
is tack or funded. They have a right to free
college tuition. All of that should be forgiven because it's
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my right to be educated. You weren't born with those rights.
Those aren't like self evident when you came out of
the womb. Those are things the government tells you they
want to give you in order to keep themselves empower
into essentially rule over your life.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Also, not the working class. These are people who have
been at government funded universities. They are thinkers. They have
never experienced it for themselves. They don't understand what that
actually means, and they don't understand that human nature is
not to be equal. Human nature is to do something different,
to create, to get better, to advance, and to personally advance.
(44:04):
And that's why we've had so much innovation in this country.
And that mindset stifles innovation. It creates every like you said,
everybody is no longer. It's not equally wealthy, it's equally poor,
and it's redistribution of wealth and its government owns everything,
and that's what we've tried to tell people, but they
just don't listen. We could probably talk forever. Sarah has
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been giving me like, hey, you've gone way too long. Yes, exactly,
wrap it up, Tutor. But it's been so I really
have enjoyed having you on. It's been so interesting. So
I want people to know that you have this new show.
It's coming out on September sixteenth. It'll be weekdays from
nine to ten. Where do they find it?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, so they can get all the information at Tom
Jordanlive dot com and we'll be on all the major platforms.
It's a podcast, but we'll be on just like you are.
We're committed to continuing to expose on truths and real disinformation,
committed to the truth, and we're committed to the betterment
of individual people in this country, which ends up being
(45:06):
a better society in total. So yeah, September sixteenth, nine
am to ten am. If they don't catch a live,
it'll be available to stream throughout the day as well,
anywhere you find your podcast. That's what we will be good.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I love that because I think it's so important that people.
I mean, I even see Chris Cuomo coming out now
and he's like, hey, wait a minute. When I look
at this reasonably, I'm seeing something different. And I kind
of love that the people who have been the talkers
their whole entire lives and been able to share the
information and now they're suddenly going, oh wait, maybe this
(45:41):
wasn't all the information. So I appreciate you, Tom Jordan,
thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Tutor. Thank you so much. It's been an honor.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Appreciate it absolutely, and thank you all for joining us
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You heard him say it.
You can get us anywhere. You can go to iHeartRadio,
Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts, just make sure
you download it. Join us next time on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think this episode
is going to be somewhat of a I guess, explosive episode,
somewhat of a mind opening episode, because I've talked quite
a bit about how biased the media is, but now
we have someone from Michigan who experienced it first hand.
Had Tom Jordan is with me. He is a Michigan
(00:23):
based talk show host and he's launching a new show
this month. It's called Tom Jordan Live. But he was
one of the top radio hosts in Detroit at what
we thought was a conservative station. And I have to
say I went on the station multiple times while I
was running, and I struggled a lot with many of
the hosts, even though it was supposed to be conservative.
(00:44):
The station is called WJR, and I applaud you Tom
for coming on and talking about this because it's hard.
And I think that when I was running, as I
was going through some of the issues that I went
through with the hosts there who were always trying to
paint into a corner and say, oh, no, you're wrong
because of this, and you're thinking, wait a minute, I
(01:04):
thought this was supposed to be the open radio station,
the non biased radio station, but you're here today to
say you actually had some pushback even behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, and Tudor, first of all, thanks for having me on.
And you've been very openly discussing this issue for quite
some time and I have as well. And I don't
want to represent like as if WJR is the only
station or media out of that's like this. This is
systemic throughout our society. And I think what people. I
spoke to a gentleman the other day who asked me
(01:36):
a question, this is I think three or four days ago,
because is it true. Do you think that the media
has some sort of bias to it? Because I'm kind
of sensing that. I'm like, are you kidding? Yes, absolutely,
maybe it goes back many years. I think it goes
back to this whole issue of free speech and you know,
the First Amendment, freedom of the press, and those kinds
of issues. And I think if you do not have
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free speech, if you suppress speech any type of way,
you're effectively granting more power to the maybe the political elites,
the ones who happened to be empowered during that time.
And I think if what it ends up doing is
it causes kind of an intellectual stagnation with people in
this country where critical thinking has gone out the window
(02:18):
and you start accepting whatever is being told to you
because it comes down to one single narrative that we're
seeing in the media, and that's the accepted narrative. Where
it used to be a whole world of different ideas
and thoughts. We would argue those things out and the
media was kind of the guard the guardian, I guess
a free speech and that has changed or quite I
(02:41):
would say it's been going on a long time, but
it really reared its ugly head in twenty twenty, which
I know you've witnessed it well. I think that's what
inspired you to run for governor because you saw what
was happening in our state, in the state of Michigan,
and there are three critical things that happened that year.
It was a residential election year. The media, including the
(03:03):
outlet I worked at at the time, and most of
my career was in the news media, we were absolutely
suppressing the entire side for the most part because of
the hatred towards Donald Trump, so reporters and producers and
just would not give him or his side the time
of day. Heavily and I think wrongfully fact checked. But
(03:26):
at the same time, President Biden got a pass on
all the allegations of corruption that were going on throughout
his lifestyle, even some personal serious allegations against him personally,
although that was buried.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, I mean you look at the laptop, you look
at all those things. Yeah, that was all buried. But
I think that most of us, or I think the
general feeling in the country, even among Democrats, is that, Okay, well,
the only time you had a government official going to
somewhat of a media company was the situation that we
saw with Twitter, with Facebook, where we know that the
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White House and and agencies associated with White House in
the federal government, we're going to these social media outlets
and saying, oh, you can't say this, you can't say this,
You've got to stop these people from talking. But what
you have indicated is that even on the state level,
in a radio setting, at a radio station, you had
(04:22):
elected officials going and saying, we don't like that you
allowed this. We will punish you for this, and that
punishment could just be w You're not going to have
access to us anymore. And we don't push back card
enough against that either, because you look at they keep
putting up this graphic of something like Donald Trump's done
thirty four interviews and Kamala Harris has done one. Well,
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this should be not This should be a situation where
even the leftist media is saying, Okay, we're not going
to give you kudos, We're not going to just hand
out your talking points. You've got to actually come on
here and talk yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah. And they're the party that says they're trying to
protect democracy and have Kamala hair even get in the
position sheason now she certainly didn't win a single vote
where it was back in twenty twenty in that in
that election when she ran for president, and certainly not now.
She has never won a primary, and somehow she is
the candidate for the Democratic Party. But the media is
playing cover. If you just kind of I think rightfully
(05:17):
clarified because she's done one interview and they're not outraged
by it. Donald Trump, I'll give you an example of
this is just every day Like so, the company I
was working for at the time was CBS News, and
CBS News is known as this, you know, gold standard
of objectivity in intellectualism and journalism. They're nothing of the sort.
I saw the interworkings of CBS News and then how
(05:40):
it funneled down to our station in Detroit, a CBS
News station, and we weren't doing journalism. So even today.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They explain what you mean by that.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, So what in twenty twenty the news room was
probably about ninety seven ninety eight percent probably registered Democrats,
very liberal reporters. Now, so that's the same thing at
the network level CBS News. So a lot of the
information they would cover Donald Trump on a daily basis,
a lot of the information they were reporting on was
(06:11):
from a heavily democratic perspective, so when it came into
our newsroom, I would try to reframe it to be
more objective. There was so much pushback in that newsroom.
In the news room it was a twenty four hours
it was WWJ, CBS owned and operated for many, many years.
There was so much pushback to covering both sides of
(06:34):
a presidential electioneer. Okay, So there was that. Then there
was COVID that came in and we were told specifically
that we had to support not just in our personal lives,
but publicly on the air the lockdowns that were occurring
across the station, and of course Governor Gretcha Whimer's lockdowns
in the state of Michigan. And you can understand maybe
the fifteen days, you know, to flatten the curve kind
(06:57):
of thing. But after we realized what was happening and
we knew more about the virus at that time, that
little kids were very unlikely to get not even you know,
die from this, but to even get sick or to
show symptoms. The most vulnerable population were the elderly in
the state. Governor Gretchen Whitmer's policies allowed COVID patients to
recover in nursing homes. And we weren't allot allowed to
(07:20):
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, and let's be honest about that, because it wasn't
as though we didn't have any scientific data to go from,
because they are, you know, talking about science, the Party
of Science, all of that. Beloney. Brian Kemp of Georgia,
the governor of Georgia opened a state after fifteen days.
Then I will say, even at that time, Trump was like, oh,
(07:41):
I don't know about this. But then you watch a
state like Georgia, a a populated state. You have city
urban centers there that are very populated you're using you're
using public transit, those all of those things that we
were concerned about. You're watching in real time. Georgia didn't
have any more deaths than Michigan had. And then you
(08:03):
started to see Texas open up, in Florida open up,
in South Dakota open up, and you have scientific data
right there. Kids are going back to school, they're not
getting sick. We were not allowed to say that, not
allowed to talk about that, not allowed to point to
what was actually happening in life and say, wait a minute,
these states are okay. They have figured out how to
(08:24):
make sure that people can continue to make money, continued
go to school, and yet also be safe.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, So when I saw Gretchen Wimer making all these mandates,
and I also played some sound soundbites from the National
Institutes of Health early on, I think it was May
of twenty twenty who was warning and said, I've spoken
to every governor in the state. That would include Gretchen Wimer,
that would include Gavin news and that said, if you
do these lockdowns and they persist, the effects of these
(08:52):
lockdowns on the mental health of kids, where the suicide
rate was going through the roof directly related to these
lockdowns and the quarantine, and the isolation that will persist,
and the economic, i'm sorry, educational outcomes will persist for
years after the quarantine is lifted. They all had this information,
(09:13):
and they knew by a lot of epidemiologists and infectious
disease specialists how this virus was going to work and
who would be targeted. So they had this information that
wasn't allowed in the public square. To be honest with you,
when I realized what was happening, and then I see
greshen Wermer protesting the twenty twenty riots in Detroit, arm
in arm with people as we were as told to
(09:35):
stay home and don't go out in public and stay
six feet at least apart from everybody else. And there
she is marching with hundreds of people. I thought, I
said in my newsroom to the people that I said,
I no longer I was giving her the benefit of death,
that maybe she believed this said, I no longer believe
that she thinks this virus is dangerous and deadly. So
how could you not believe that? Look at her live
right now on the screen. She is doing exactly what
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she says. If we do, we will be we will
kill people if we do what she's doing right now.
There's no way she believes it, and that's given her
the benefit of the doubt, because if she does believe it,
she's complicit in the murder of all these people. So
at that point I realized we are we are in
an industry right now that is refusing to acknowledge the
truth or even challenge the status quo. I decided to
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leave the news business and get into something that I
thought was going to be, you know, an open dialogue
about these issues, which was talk radio. So up until
twenty twenty one, I was a journalist. So the journalist
ministry had completely betrayed not just me, but the entire
you know, populist of the United States and really globally.
If you look at it, and I.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Can see why you would say, okay, talk radio is
the choice, because that's even what you hear from the
TV media who say, oh, talk radio is so dangerous
because it's conservative, it's so dangerous. But then you went
to talk radio and you found out that it's even
infiltrated talk radio.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, I did, and I was surprised when I first
got there. There were certain issues we couldn't talk about it.
And you can guess which issues we were allowed to
talk about at that point. It became vaccines, that they
were all positive and any negative talk about vaccines was
considered conspiracy theory. If you dare mention election fraud, that
absolute conspiracy theory is all been adjudicated in the course,
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you can't touch it, and well it hasn't been adjudicated
in the courts. They wouldn't allow the evidence to be presented. Nope,
that's our position. So that was happening, but I still
would broach those issues. But my time there was surprising
to me because it was a lot of pushback that
I was somehow too negative. They wanted more a positive approach,
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and I said, I'd like to, but I sure would
like some support. When we're dealing with politicians who come
on the program and they tell us something that is
demonstrably false, we need to push back against that. So
I was allowed for a while to do it. The
advertising department don't like it. They didn't want me to
talk about abortion at a time when the state was
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going I think considering the most extreme initiative regarding abortion
in the history of the United States, which was top three,
which does effectively allow abortion for all nine months of pregnancy,
and it also would allow miners to get sex change
surgeries without their parents' acknowledgment. All those things were being
considered under the guise of freedom for you know, in
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parental rights. All this was a lie, and I would
call it out and it was not very much welcomed
amongst the upper management at that station, which again shocked me.
All of that came to fruition. You know, that passed,
and now these things are happening in the state, as
we rightly called it back then, and so I became
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growing more and more frustrated about it. But recently, the
last few months, I was specifically told specifically that we're
going to change the way we do things. You're not
going to share opinions through the majority of the broadcast.
You're going to introduce a subject matter, You'll bring on
the guests. You'll let the guests say whatever he or
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she wants to say about it. And then if this time,
at the end of a segment, you can maybe discuss
what you thought about the segment.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You can't push back on the guest.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Can't push back I did anything, do you think.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's because Democrats were saying we won't come back, and
they were afraid that they wouldn't be able to get
guests anymore. And really, should we be allowing politicians to say,
I won't do radio, I won't do interviews. I mean,
I'm guessing, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I think there's three main reasons. I think one of
them is just as you described. I think I know
that politicians were calling our station and would not come
on my program because I would ask those questions, or
I was a conservative. I am admittedly a conservative, and
there are a lot of people. I think it's important
to be honest with where you stand on issues and
to be okay with that, and to let the other
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person be honest. If they're a liberal, you're a liberal.
This is why you believed, Kamala Harris that there should
be ev mandates, even though now you don't think they
should for some odd reason. Just be honest with where
you stand, make your case, and let's have a healthy
dialogue about those issues, and let at the end the
listener of the viewer is going to decide who's telling
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the truth or who has the most expertise in that
particular topic. But that's why you do this. This is
the American way, but now it's no longer allowed to
be discussed. So one of the reasons was because of
the politicians I think putting their thumb on the scales
making phone calls. There's intimidation not just in our outlet,
but in the whole slew of news outlets around the country.
(14:40):
But I can specifically name if I would, I'm not
going to right now. But because it's the case with
all of them, newsrooms are being called by heavy hitters
within the far left progressive ideology camps, and that includes
a Democratic Party that if you do this, we're not
going to come on your show, We're not going to
be as accessible to you. So I was specific be
told we want to have continued access to these people.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Which you don't anyway, they don't give you access, no.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
But even if they don't, that's on them, right.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Can you imagine a time when you're you have the
politician who wants to get elected by the people saying
I won't talk to the people unless you do what
I say. How how is that the person you want
to vote for?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's not And you know, I think what we need
to do as journalists who claim they're speaking truth to
power is to truly speak truth to power and go
on the air or write in your piece that so
and so refuses to come on our program because we
criticized her, or we allowed someone else on our program
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who criticized him or her. That's not something we pull
back from. That is our job as journalists. And so
that's gone by wayside. So now and talk radio news
analysis and a public opinion when that's starting to be
you know, and I'm not saying every station does this,
but this one I just worked at is doing this.
(16:05):
And they specifically told me that we no longer want
to be considered a conservative talk radio station conservative and label.
We're trying to shed that label that we've been tagged with,
so we don't want to be considered that any longer.
I said, what do you want us to do? Then?
Straight news? Nope, not news, okay, not opinion. We want
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you just to basically, I think, be a bulletin board.
So you just open up the airwaves and let people
say stuff and then you never challenge them on it,
and then you go, thank you for coming, best friend.
I don't think that's what our job is. This certainly wasn't.
My job certainly was not. And the reason why I
believe this much the same as you do, Tutor, that
the reason why I think is important is because all
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of these policy decisions affect every day Americans and if
we don't address those issues, then those people, including ourselves,
but everyone else is going to be harmed by them.
Under the guys that this is good for unity in
our society, just trust us hear if you hear from
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any other source other than your secretary state or your
attorney general or you're a governor, and consider all of
that disinformation. The only truth comes from us. Right.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We would be remiss if we
didn't say this is really directed to one party. You
can't push back on one party, but they're willing to
push back on conservatives. They're willing to go after the conservatives.
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I mean, we had this experience on the radio station
that you were on. We had an interview and I
look back at it now and I just find it
fascinating because I had come out very hard in the
campaign against the Chinese battery factory that was coming to Michigan,
having been in manufacturing, understanding the connection between Chinese manufacturing
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and the destruction of American manufacturing, but also understanding the
relationship right now between the United States and China. All
of those things dangerous. And we were talking about a
maybe maybe twenty five or twenty three hundred jobs over
a ten year period. We had gone through this before.
With this, we have a sore fund in Michigan. They
put in billions of dollars, They give it to big
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corporations under the promise of jobs, and then the Democrats
come out and announced We've got thirty thousand. We just
created thirty thousand jobs. Nobody ever corrects them and says,
wait a minute, you're talking about you might have created
thirty thousand jobs over the next ten years. Now, in
this case, it was maybe twenty three hundred jobs. Then
it went to I think it was like nineteen hundred,
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and then it went to fifteen hundred. And this is
maybe this many jobs over ten years time. We were
giving them almost a billion dollars three quarters of a
billion dollars of tax breaks and taxpayer money to come here.
They were associated, they were oh owned by the Chinese
and the guy on your radio station, says one third owned.
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And how do you explain this to the people of
Macosta County that you don't care about these jobs? And
I kept pushing back and saying, you are talking about
an adversary of the United States. We are taking taxpair
money and giving it to them. Well you flash forward
to now. The people of that county of Green Township,
they fought against it. They believe that they have Goshen
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completely out of the county. And I'm like, he's telling me,
I've gone there. They're excited about these jobs. They want
these jobs. Well you know why, you know why initially
they were excited about the jobs. Nobody explained that all
of the legislators, the governor, and the person who's running
for US Senate right now signed non disclosure agreements, So
you didn't even know what was being made at the factory.
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You don't know the chemicals that are being used at
the factory. Nobody knew at the time that they would
be sucking seven hundred thousand gallons of water out of
the watershed every single day. And then where would that
water go once it's contaminating, because it's not like they're
bottling it and sending it to people like Neslie. They
are going to take that water out and run forever
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chemicals through that water, and then where does it go.
This is our farmland, this is our water. This is
where we were consuming water from the same area fifteen
miles down the street. That company that they were so
mad about years ago taking water is bottling water so
that people across the nation and in other countries can
drink the water. So how are we not going to
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call out the reality of the situation, And that, to
me is the frustrating part about this media. The people
of Macosta County didn't know because there was a non
disclosure agreement signed, so they didn't even realize the danger
of what was coming to their community.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's sickening, And you're right to me, I've always thought,
even in twenty twenty and all this talk about election interference,
the media is to blame. If you want to talk
about fraud, you know, you can wipe out all those
other conversations about you know, signature fraud or you know
what happened with the voting machines, and you can just say, Okay,
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if the media itself did its job, Joe Biden would
not be president of the United States. There's not a
chance because of what has been revealed and still being
you know, the attempted, the attempted to suppress that information
about what Joe Biden has been doing for maybe decades
with these foreign adversaries, including China whom you just mentioned,
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Ukraine in Russia, and you go down.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
The list personal business with these.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Business you know, at least twenty seven million dollars has
come into the Biden family, a family with very little
experience in those particular industries other than the fact they
had a really good contact and that contact at the
time was Vice President of the United States. They got
access to him. So all of this has been suppressed,
and yet Donald Trump gets impeached for a phone call
to Loryda Maye Zelenski, the president of Ukraine. We're saying, hey,
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find out if Joe Biden, if what he did and
when he was bragging about about firing that prosecutor, and
then you'll get your billion dollars. Why not if that's true,
and if it is, you might want to investigate it.
Because of that, he got impeached when he was looking
he wanted to look into the actual evidence of corruption
that had existed for that. I guess this whole projectionism
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that the Democratic Party has now become known for.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's what blows my mind about them being mad about
the Supreme Court decision. I mean, president's having immunity for
discussions like whether or not you have drones go out.
And I mean, look at what Obama could be held
accountable for. Do you want a president who has to
pause and say, hey, am I going to go to
prison because I decided to make a call that we're
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going to send drones into a war zone? Because Obama
could have to worry about that. Joe Biden, gosh, he
could have to worry about a lot. I guess he's
not worried because the man is on his deathbed as
it is, so maybe he just doesn't care. I mean,
this is how short sighted the Democrat Party is because
they just want to win and they don't have anybody calling.
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They actually have no fear because they don't have a
media that's going to call them out. Meanwhile, the media
not only does this, but they lie. It's not it's
not that they protect Democrats. They also lie about Republicans
and we've experienced this firsthand. I mean, just this past week,
We've had to deal with this, and I question, what
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do you do when you have a media that picks
up a lie and then they they push that lie,
they push that lie about a candidate, and they help
the Democrats. I mean, they did it to me multiple times.
Like I said, they're still doing it to me. They
did to me during the race saying this maloney about
you know, this candidate says that she would she thinks
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that girls should be forced to have babies and all.
I mean, they knew that that was an out and
out lie that I never said that that exactly if
they had been honest about Prop three and taking away
the parental consent, they know that. What I was concerned
about was the fact that we could have abusers and
traffickers in this state that would never have to be
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held accountable because there was a protection in place in
the state of Michigan that said parents have to know
if a child under a certain age is coming in
to get an abortion, because parents should know if their
child was abused. They never reported on that. Honestly, I
believe that candidates in the past have been told you
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have no choice. You're a public figure, you can't sue
I think it's time for us to take it back
legally and go after these places and say you can't
just out and not lie about me. You can't say
these things that are not true.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
At the very least, they should be exposed for people
understanding that they are not getting the truth. During your campaign,
obviously we covered it. We had you on our show
on WJR. We try to be very fair with you,
Kevin Deeds and me. But I did listen to the
other programs. I did watch the other outlets when it
came to Tutor Dixon as this extremist, and I thought, no,
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she's actually a conservative, and that's the opposite of extremism.
You're trying to conserve what are just primarily American values.
And the way that it's mischaracterized and these issues are mischaracterized,
for example, in abortion itself is just reproductive rights, Well, no,
it's the opposite of reproduction. You're actually killing a baby
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in the world. I am a staunch supporter of the
pro life movement because I do believe there's a human
in that woman's body. And yes, men should have a
right to speak up about this too. I've heard too
many men say I'm a man, I shouldn't say anything. No,
you're a man, so man talk about it and use
them they should have a right to say something.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
About right exactly. And they use these examples that they go,
oh gosh, there's this extreme situation, and I think that
there are extreme situations, and the problem with extreme situations
in society as it is now is that you're not
allowed to have a conversation about extreme conversations because it's
not about it the extremes. For them, you don't have
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an abortion truck outside of the DNC because you're afraid
that someone ended up getting raped in their bedroom. Like that.
They're promoting this as a lifestyle, they're promoting this as
a form of birth control. And that's where you have
people in the Life Movement and her are saying, do
you not understand what this actually is? This is abortion
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is not a form of birth control. But they lie
and they say that's not what we're saying until it
comes to the point where they see that they're winning.
And then you've got people like I think it was
Ashley Judd who went out and said women need to
be able to space their children out and that's why
abortion is so important. Okay, so you're admitting, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
This is that's wherever it also admitted that, you know,
this is good. Abortions are good for the economy because
more women will be in financial planning. It's absurd. So
that is the real reason behind all this.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Going rare anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
No. In fact, even I forget her name. She's a
Democrat within the state legislature. She has at time voted
at odds with Gretchen Wimer and the other Democrats because
she believes in certain things. She has some values, and
she voted against some of these bills that were coming
through the legislature as a result of the constitutional amendment,
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which Drop three allowed. That takes away the sanitary requirements
of an abortion clinic. It takes away and the informed
consent issues, It takes away the twenty four hour waiting period.
And she said, hold on a second, why are those
things considered bad. Shouldn't whenever you have a procedure, and
it is a surgical procedure, shouldn't you know all the
risks that are involved. Shouldn't you know? But maybe potentially
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other options. Pro choice means you're presented different information. All
of that has been stripped away, And she was concerned
about it. But of course she had been censured before
by her own party because she just decided to take
druction of cor quin saved her life, and that was
not a good democratic talking point to take hydroxychloroquin for
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COVID when you're about to die and end up reversing
the symptoms, so they cens your here for.
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actually why those doctors went to the Supreme Court about mifipristone,
because they said, well, I think that you should have
to have an appointment ahead of time. They didn't say
they wanted to take away. They said they wanted to
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have an appointment ahead of time. And you make me think,
because there's never been a time when I've been about
to have a procedure and I've had I've gone through cancer,
and I've had multiple surgeries, and there's never been a
point where I went into my doctor's office and they
were like, you know what we're going to cut today.
We're going in there. This is what it is. They
always said, these are your options. These are the different
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options in your situation that you have and you do.
No matter what situation you're in, you generally have a
few different options that you can go through. And I
decided that I would go to a different doctor and
talk about my options with them too. I had a
waiting period. It was not I didn't see it as
a waiting period. I saw it as a time for
me to go through what a major surgery would be,
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what a major decision in my life would be. And
it was, Okay, here's what we know about your situation.
We'll have another appointment here and we'll talk about it then.
And that, to me is where all healthcare should be.
I mean, why wouldn't we have that thinking period? Why
wouldn't we do that? And you know, I've had people say, well,
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in this state, you can't have this. You can have this,
but you can't have that, and you should be able
to have everything in every state. But you know, I
had the same thing when I had cancer treatment too.
I didn't have my cancer treatment in Michigan. I had
it in Maryland because it was a better option for
me what I was doing there. And yeah, it's dunk
that I had to go there, and I had to
spend my extra time and money to get to Maryland.
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But it was the best care I could get in
the moment for what I was dealing with. And so
this idea that everything should just be right at your fingertips,
I mean, life is hard and decisions are challenging, and
you have to go through things in different spaces, in
different areas. I also think that you have to look
at this situation with Roe v. Wade. They say, oh,
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Trump overturned this. Let's unpack that for a second, because
what happened is in Mississippi, they changed their law from
a twenty four to twenty eight weeks to fifteen weeks,
and they knew that would go to the Supreme Court.
They knew if they fought that it would go to
the Supreme Court. They also knew that that Roe was
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decided incorrectly. They knew that the Supreme Court would have
to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Was robur Ginsburg even admitted as much.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Exactly so they understood. But the bizarre thing was in Mississippi,
they only had one clinic, abortion clinic, and they only
ever performed abortions up to sixteen weeks, and their law
was up to fifteen weeks unless there were fetal abnormality
or a danger to the mother's health. So truly it
was no change. They knew what they were doing. The
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Democrats overturned Roe v. Wade because they knew that they
would have the political advantage. It has nothing to do
with caring about women.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I agree with you, and you would know more than
I do because you're a woman and I'm not. But
I sure do know a lot of women, and I
know a lot of women who are pro life. And
this notion that somehow this is all to protect women
discounts the millions and millions of women who completely disagree
with these types of policies and the interventions from the
government to allow and really promote not just another option,
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really promote abortion. They want that. And you touched on that.
Being at the DNC there's a mobile abortion clinic. Come
on in, you can get and done right now. As
Kamala Harris is going to take a stage. Whatever is
it's a promotion of that. And I think I spoke
to a pro choice friend of mine the other day
and I explain what happens when you walk into a
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planned parenthood clinic versus when you walk into a pregnancy
resource center and the kind of care and compassion and
options that are available in a pregnancy resource center to
a woman who is struggling a very, very big time
with an maybe an unplanned pregnancy, maybe it's a teenager
and she's grieving this, and there's a lot of very
compassionate people that will walk her through it and yes,
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encourage her to have the baby. But here's how we're
going to help you. Know, we're going to provide your
baby formula or diapers if you want to adopt the baby.
We have all these people willing and a waiting to
do that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Wait or is that a choice? Is the getting a
choice there?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Alyssi Slockin said that is dangerous to women.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
One thing they don't provide is the killing of a
baby in that young teenager's womb and explaining the ramifications.
I mean, how many women have had an abortion and
are grieving still to this day, even if it was
forty years ago. They don't talk about those issues. And
I take it all back to the media of today,
is this is basicly a dereliction of duty what we
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all signed up to do. I got into it because
I love the objectivity. I love the various dialogue of
all these consequential issues that affect everybody, I think in
this country at least one of them does at some point.
So let's get it all on the table there and
let the chips fall where they may and help people
decide what is the truth here through argumentation, through confrontation
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in a respectful manner. But disagreeing with somebody doesn't mean
you hate them. You want to find out the truth.
And that's what journalism, I think, used to be. Now
it's nothing of the sort. There is a bunch of
activists who are being trained in these JAY schools at
various state universities around the country, and I've spoken to
many of them who say they want to get into
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journalism because they want to change the world and they
want to fight back against the systemic racism that exists
in the United States of America. Like, well, that's not journalism, right,
that's activism. You want to be a politician, that's what
you want to do. What you're doing in this class
for that purpose, you're kind of mismatching. But that's no
longer the case because I'm I think the odd one
out here in that particular journalism program.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I mean we watched during the campaign, we watched outlets
that had historically been journalistic outlets changed overnight, become radicalized.
And I don't say that lightly. These people are not journalists.
They are radicalized against the Republican Party, and they are
so blatantly open about it. They don't even try to
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hide it. If I say something, they'll twist it up
and put it out there. Oh gosh, this she's that.
And you know, at the end of the day, if
you look at someone who values life, values family, you're
probably going to get somebody who's going to look at
what happened with this school shooting in Georgia and say
enough is enough. We're going to actually sit down and say,
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what are we to do? How can we put some
safeguards in place? Instead of just blaming the other side,
let's come together and talk about implementing some policies that
we can see how they affect this, if we can
stop these things from happening. Being someone who loves life
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has joy about life, that should not be such a negative.
But think about where we are today. So easy to
say you're a demon if you believe that the life
of someone matters, And I mean the life of someone
no matter how old they are, if they are in
the womb, or if they are sixteen years old, or
they are fourteen years old at the state Fair, or
they are eighteen years old at a block party in Detroit,
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or they're at a splash pad. I don't care who
you are. I want to make sure that you have
a great life and live life to the fullest. You're
not worried about being shot or killed, or having somebody
come into your school in the middle of the school day.
You don't have to worry about those things. I don't
hear that. I mean if life doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter at any level.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
You're a true conservative and you believe in the Bill
of Rights, it spells out all those individual rights that
individual people have in this country. It doesn't matter if
it's a single person in power or a large group
of massive people in power. No one, whether single or
millions of people, has a right to strip you of
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your pursuit of happiness. And so we had this idea
that democracy just means, you know, the more people vote,
that's what gets dictated in this country. Well, no, fifty
one percent of the people cannot infringe on the rights
of forty nine percent of the people. If you're doing
something that prohibits a single individual from exercising their freedom
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to pursue happiness, so long as they're not infringing on
someone else's rights, then you're violating the Constitution. And right
now that is happening enlarge mass in mass in the
Democratic Party. If enough people agree with it, I'm sorry.
You're in the minority now, So you have to do
what we tell you. You have to do, regardless of
what your conscience tells you. That is not democracy, maybe
(38:06):
a pure democracy, but it's certainly not constitutional republic. And
that's what our country has founded on. That's why the
Constitution still matters. And that's what conservatives believe. In the
original reading and the intent of the original authors of
the Constitution, what did they believe about individuals in this country?
And I was called the other day a fascists because
(38:27):
I believe in this. I'm like, this is the opposite
of fascism. It is the direct opposite of what communists
want to do in this country very actively. It's the
direct opposite of socialism, where the government ends up being
your god who provides you everything that you need, including healthcare,
including a basic universal income, including all these different things
(38:50):
that the government wants to hand you. Money for childcare,
money to go put a down payment on a house,
So give you twenty five thousand dollars. No, no, no,
that's not your role. Role is to find a way
to earn that so I can buy my own house
and truly have my own property. By the way, Woodrow Wilson,
one of the original progressives, did not believe in property
(39:11):
rights because I made government too inefficient. It was harder
to get stuff done in the government if people had
property rights. He didn't believe in the three branches of government,
the separated I could.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Say that you can see that even in Harris she
wants government to own property. And you have to look
at this and say, this goes beyond people saying, you know,
I want to protect healthcare and I want to protect this.
What you have to peel back the layers of the
onion and realize is that they're hiding your rights from you.
They're going into our inner city schools and saying you
(39:42):
can never achieve in this country. You do not have rights.
People will remove your rights. You don't have. You're not equal,
and we hear this all the time. We're not going
to rest until women have the same rights as men,
until minorities have the same rights as whites. And it's
like you are being lied to about the fact that
you don't have rights, and that allows them to control
(40:05):
certain groups of people. And it makes me sick when
I think about the fact that we are being told
that we have no opportunity. Look at the DNC. You've
got Michelle Obama saying, you know, there's no generational wealth
for us, and you can't achieve this. Look at she
has four homes, she was first Lady of the United States,
her husband was the president. Don't tell me you cannot
(40:26):
achieve in this country. Look at Oprah who comes out
and she says, I've experienced racism, I've experienced sexism, and
look at this. In this country, you can become Oprah.
Oprah is like a name that people associate with the
American dream, right, like Oprah's a word and of itself,
She's become an adjective, you know, like Oprah describes the
(40:46):
American dream. I mean the fact that they are telling
people you don't have rights by showing them that we've
actually used those rights to achieve the ultimate utopian dream
in our own lives. It's asinine, but people believe it.
And that's the frustration for me watching these things, I'm like, stop,
let's stop telling kids you can't become something. Let's go
(41:09):
into communities where they are struggling and show them exactly
what they can become. You can do this.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
That was the whole purpose. Why you know, Donald Trump
and Tim Scott came into Detroit and developed these opportunities
zones or primarily minority communities, basically African Americans in Detroit
itself is like I think, the city of the ninety
percent African American population, and they provide They wanted people
to realize, Okay, you can far beyond what the government
(41:37):
says they will give you on welfare whatever to help
you get by. This is how you actually earn money.
This is how you become wealthy. This is how generational
wealth work. And you can take that money. You can
work your whole life, make millions of dollars and then
pass it along to your children and then your grandchildren.
Kamina Harris comes in, and you're right to say this
because she's a direct connection like Woodrow Wilson would be
(41:58):
thrilled to know that his dreams are coming to fruition
with a person like Kamala Harris, because she is a
full blown socialist. She's denying it right now for a
period of sixty more days or whatever it is, take
her plus minus a couple days there until she gets
in office, and she will implement the things she says
she always supports. She will rip away private insurance she
wants to do that. This is a socialist mindset and
(42:21):
ideology that again, the government provides everything for you don't
work on your own. And we've never seen this work.
We've always seen in socialist countries the poor remains poor,
and then everyone else joins them, and then the very top,
you know, half a percent of the elite in power
are the ones who become wealthy and they live luxurious
(42:43):
lifestyles while they control everybody else. That is a socialist
slash communist country, and that is what these policies will
lead to if the media doesn't call her out for
what it is. And I guess the other reason why
I think this is happening is because I think the
academic academia has taught all these new generation of journalists
(43:03):
that really what freedom is is socialism. That their rights
include the right to free healthcare insurance. They have a
right to a universal basic income. They have a right
to be you know, get their electricity bills paid for.
They have a right to be given a job that
is tack or funded. They have a right to free
college tuition. All of that should be forgiven because it's
(43:24):
my right to be educated. You weren't born with those rights.
Those aren't like self evident when you came out of
the womb. Those are things the government tells you they
want to give you in order to keep themselves empower
into essentially rule over your life.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Also, not the working class. These are people who have
been at government funded universities. They are thinkers. They have
never experienced it for themselves. They don't understand what that
actually means, and they don't understand that human nature is
not to be equal. Human nature is to do something different,
to create, to get better, to advance, and to personally advance.
(44:04):
And that's why we've had so much innovation in this country.
And that mindset stifles innovation. It creates every like you said,
everybody is no longer. It's not equally wealthy, it's equally poor,
and it's redistribution of wealth and its government owns everything,
and that's what we've tried to tell people, but they
just don't listen. We could probably talk forever. Sarah has
(44:26):
been giving me like, hey, you've gone way too long. Yes, exactly,
wrap it up, Tutor. But it's been so I really
have enjoyed having you on. It's been so interesting. So
I want people to know that you have this new show.
It's coming out on September sixteenth. It'll be weekdays from
nine to ten. Where do they find it?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, so they can get all the information at Tom
Jordanlive dot com and we'll be on all the major platforms.
It's a podcast, but we'll be on just like you are.
We're committed to continuing to expose on truths and real disinformation,
committed to the truth, and we're committed to the betterment
of individual people in this country, which ends up being
(45:06):
a better society in total. So yeah, September sixteenth, nine
am to ten am. If they don't catch a live,
it'll be available to stream throughout the day as well,
anywhere you find your podcast. That's what we will be good.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I love that because I think it's so important that people.
I mean, I even see Chris Cuomo coming out now
and he's like, hey, wait a minute. When I look
at this reasonably, I'm seeing something different. And I kind
of love that the people who have been the talkers
their whole entire lives and been able to share the
information and now they're suddenly going, oh wait, maybe this
(45:41):
wasn't all the information. So I appreciate you, Tom Jordan,
thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Tutor. Thank you so much. It's been an honor.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Appreciate it absolutely, and thank you all for joining us
on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You heard him say it.
You can get us anywhere. You can go to iHeartRadio,
Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts, just make sure
you download it. Join us next time on the Tutor
Dixon Podcast. Have a blessed day.
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