Former Congressman Mike Rogers joins Tudor Dixon to tackle Michigan’s biggest challenges—from the loss of manufacturing jobs to declining education standards and rising crime. Rogers shares his plan to rebuild the state through vocational training, stronger communities, and smart leadership, while outlining his vision for Michigan’s future in his run for U.S. Senate. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have a
former Congressman and the former chairman of the House Intelligent
Committee and the current US candidate for US Senate here
in Michigan, Mike Rogers. Mike, thanks for joining me, Tutor.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It is great to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Absolutely, there's so much that I want to talk to
you about. Obviously we have this shutdown, but there's a
lot of stuff that you've been talking about and writing
op eds about, and all kinds of different things that
I think are important that someone in DC is advocating
for Michigan. And I want so everybody who's listening right now.
I know not everybody is from Michigan, but I think
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it's important for you to understand that your US senator
can do things for your state. They're not just a
vote nationally. They're actually out there advocating for you too.
And this is something we haven't seen in Michigan. We've
really been struggling and manufacturing. You talked about shop class,
You talked about your dad being in shop class and
manufacturing and building things. My dad was the same. I
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worked in the foundry. We need it back. What can
you do?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, thanks. Yeah, matter of fact, thanks for the question, Tootor.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And this, to me is the most important thing we'll
be talking about going forward, getting Michigan back on its feet.
I mean, the Democrats under Democrat leadership has been a disaster,
lost manufacturing jobs thirty thousand. Our education system is now
forty fourth in the country. Mississippi does better than Michigan
right now in education. We need to fix all of that.
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And having a senator, as you said, advocating for the
kinds of things that are important for our future economically,
for our kids education and so kids can actually stay
in a state like Michigan outrageously important. And my dad
was a shop teacher. I'm the youngest of five boys.
My dad was a shop teacher and a football coach.
And by the way, if you said industrial arts and
our family, you might get the back of his hand.
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We hated that, but.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean that honestly. We talk about that. I'm glad
you mentioned that, because we talk about this all the time.
I lost my dad in twenty twenty two. He was
a foundryman my whole life, and my mom and I
say all the time, I can't imagine what he would
think of the ridiculous stuff that's going on today, and
the fact that we just we don't even have any
foundries left.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I know it's bad and we probably won't get a
whole surge of foundries come back, but what we can
now get is that advance manufacturing where the jobs are
a important for our national security. And hopefully we'll talk
about Trump's tweat today about talking to Ford and General
Motor CEOs who said, hey, thanks for the tariffs. You're
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saving the automobile industry. You're saving trucks being built in
America and Michigan specifically, which is good for our national security.
And we need those jobs back and we need people
connected to them. I think we should have shop in
every high school in America. Listen, my dad believed in it.
You know, as I said, he didn't like industrial arts.
He said, it is shop, and it's about mechanics, it's
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about metal work and woodworking, and it's good for you.
I don't care what you do in life. That's pretty helpful.
And imagine if we had a whole generation of kids
put down their screens for one minute and went in
and saw what you can do if you work with
your hands in the critical thinking that comes out of
repairing something, building something. I think it would be an
amazing change and a refreshing change for so many people
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whose whole lives are consumed by how many likes they
have on their social media. I think this is good
for a whole bunch of reasons. But it also connects
people to really high paying jobs. Judor, and you know
this because you traveled around our state. I went to
a place in the Thumb just recently, about a week ago,
where one of the guys who runs a very sophisticated
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computing drilling machine makes a quarter of a million dollars
a year.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, easily.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I know this is these are great jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And that's what so I tell people. Okay, so you
obviously know foundries. And if you don't know foundries, I mean,
we're MELTI metal, We're pouring it into sand molds. It's
kind of a dirty place, I'll admit. You go to
some of these machine shops, and if you're from manufacturing,
you go into these machine shops and I'm like, I
could eat off the floor in this shop. I mean,
these are nice places to work.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Matter of fact, he's very proud of the owner is
very proud. He says, I paint the floor every year. Yeah,
I want a nice clean place to work.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And it is.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's very clean, and it's ergonomically correct. I mean, you're
not in there, you know, you know, wrestling a fifty
pounds sheet of metal all day long. You've got machines
doing it and you're just doing the programming and getting
things in the right And it's really quite exciting to
watch and then to see the pride in these workers
when they're done and they have a product that they know.
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In this case, some of this work is going onto
SpaceX right, and this is really high end work, and I.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Think that's something that we could have in Michigan. We
could We are very well positioned to take over some
of this kind of space manufacturing and even aircraft manufacturing.
We have that workforce right now. It still exists. We're
teetering on the edge of struggling. I mean, I've talked
to a lot of people in Michigan. They say, you know,
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we're struggling to get workers. We're still known as that
hub for manufacturing, but it's been so long. With Gretchen
Whitmer and Gary Peters and Debbie Stabinaw ignoring this state
that we have started to trail off a little bit
in our workforce. This is the moment, I mean, this
is why this election is so important. This is the
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moment for Michigan to be the focus again and for
us to get that back. And it really is important
for the entire United States because you may go, oh, well,
you know, we want it in our state, but because
we are the state that put the world on wheels,
we have that history here. You cannot allow Michigan to
fail because it will hurt the entire automotive industry.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely completely agree in that new budding as you just described,
aerospace industry that's here right, building things for SpaceX, building
things for Boeing. We have that capability and we should
double down on it. And as you said, the Democrats
just walked away from all of this.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They're so married to the coasts, the liberal ideology of
the coasts of America.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
They forgot about people who get up and work hard
and are proud to build things. And we have this
whole generation of kids, as I said, that just aren't
connected to it. I think if they got connected to it,
they would find this a really, really good career option
for them.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And so we're going to do it from two ways.
And think of this.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
This is another thing that drives me crazy about what
senators can do or not do. We used to have
an air base in the Upper Peninsula, Strategic Air Base.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They let that go. We used to build tanks in Michigan.
They let that go.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And by the way, they still do these things. We
still have air force bases, We still build tanks in America.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They're just not building them here anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
We used to have a navy base that tracks submarines,
Russian submarines, primarily up in the up They let that go.
And so all of the defense industrial based manufacturing also
breeds commercial manufacturing, dual use kind of manufacturing that's really
good for cutting edge and it's great for I think,
for America to have a diverse defense industrial base so
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that China doesn't clean our clock. And so this is
that chance, and I agree with you, we're on the edge.
We don't get our education system turned around, we're in trouble.
If we don't get our manufacturing back and off of
its knees in this state, we're going to be in trouble.
This is the election to actually pull that off, and
I'm pretty confident we're going to do it, and I'm
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I think working people are now understanding that if you
want a better future for your kids, it really is
conservatives and the Republican Party and that's going to get
you there.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And it's critical for young men right now because in
the state you've heard Gretchen Whitmer out there saying, oh,
we don't know what's happening. We have our universities are
being attended by women, but the men in Michigan are
not going to school, They're not going to trade school,
they're not going to college. What is happening to the
young men in the state of Michigan. This is aquis
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and yet I really do believe that the Democrats just
have no idea how to address it. I think it's
so important that people that come from the manufacturing world,
that have parents like you had, that there are shop teachers,
understand what's going on in this generation and how to
get them involved. We need we need people working. I mean,
there's really not an option when you grow up to
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not work.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, they're unfortunately under the Biden administration, they tried to.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Make it right. Yeah yeah, well, uh, and spent.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
By the way, that was a disaster and it's still
and we're still suffering that hangover right now.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
There's I think I heard a quote.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
From Mike row seven points either one or two million
able bodied men not working. That's unconsfortable, and we need
to get back to the notion. No, that's dignity. You
want your dignity back. Yes, work, it's a good thing,
it's a healthy thing.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And I think they want I think they want to.
But if you, I mean just what we were talking about.
You talk about the shop in the thumb, and for
those of you listening outside of the state of Michigan,
we are a mitten and we do refer to that
area as the thumb of the mitten. That's where we go.
So in the thumb he's talking about in the mitten,
that shop that you're talking about that is so beautiful.
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I'm sure that they are able to program machines right
from their phone and all these fancy, all this fancy
fancy technology that they use. It requires you to be
able to read. So for all of the people that
are high falutant and think they're better than our manufacturing jobs,
that we've all done. You and they look down on
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us and they go, oh, those are for people that
are uneducated. No, it's a very highly skilled job and
you have to read. And yet in Michigan, our kids
can't read.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, here's one for you too. We're going to double
down on it. They can't read terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And by the way, my wife and I are really
involved in trying to get reclaiming reading mitigation meeting.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We're going to get you back up to grade level.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
So there's a not for off it called beyond Basics
doing phenomenal work here in Michigan. It's sad that we
have to do that because the schools aren't doing it.
But here's another one for I've been all these little
tool and die shops of which you are very very
familiar with. They were had three shops tell me they
had to take the question of reading a measuring tape
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off the interview.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yes, I had that same conversation with people. Isn't that insane?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's crazy? And you know what, they can't do fractions?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
What is one in one quarter and one in three quarters?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Of course you and I know that's ten, but just kidding,
joking for you math wizards out there. But kids were
not able to figure that out on a tape measure,
and so they stop asking the question. Now they have
to come in and teach them fractions. Now these are
high school graduates. These are pretty These aren't complicated, really
complicated fractions. They're simple fractions. They're just not learning it
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in school, so they can't. They come out and they're
reading it an eighth grade level and they can't do fractions.
I mean, you almost have to try to do this
to a generation of kids.
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more after this. It's interesting because we had this I'm
going to say something maybe controversial. We had a third
grade reading law here in the state of Michigan, and
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it was that if you haven't if you can't read
by third grade, you have to be held back. And
Whitmer just repealed that. The governor just repealed dot law
last year. So now all these kids are getting passed through.
They were getting passed through anyway. And the problem with
a law like that is that it's only effective if
it's enforced. And then how do you enforce it? I mean,
are you going to take people to jail at our schools?
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What are you going to do? It really has to
be that we hold the schools accountable for their whether
or not their kids are able to read, and then
if they can't read, I really think there has to
be reading specialists. I think there has to be a
focus on helping them actually get to grade level. There's
just so much punishment that's going on and yet the
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kids are still not reading.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, so part of this program and there's I can
get into the policy side if you want, but on education,
this is where I think the FEDS could help the
state and local government. And I look forward to having
a Republican governor that we can have this conversation about
getting kids reading again versus how we don't want to
talk about it in this state. Is this reading reclamation program?
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They can teach kids to read at grade level from
six to fourteen weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Think of that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So this isn't you know, this isn't a horrific burden.
And I'm going to tell you what the secret sauce is.
Everybody paying attention here, This is very very very secret. Phonics.
They use phonics to get these kids back reading at
grade level because years ago the education establishment decided that
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whole were learning was the ticket.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Whole word learning has been a disaster. And remember phonics.
I don't know many. I'm sure a lot of folks
that you have listening understand what phonics are.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
There's probably a whole group. Go what is that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's where you learn to read by sounding out words
in a nutshell, so you can sound out any word
and by the time you're done sounding out you'll get
and understand what that word is.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Whole word.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
If you don't recognize the word, you're never going to
get the word. You don't know how to break it
down on the syllables to read that word. It's been
a disaster. Kids can't read. And so my argument is
we use that title one money that they're going to
disadvantage schools in the third grade, and you make that
a reading reclamation program assigned of money. You take a
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reading assessment. If you can't read going into the fourth grade,
then you have to go through it. You have to
show that you're going to have this mediation, by the way,
which the government can help pay for, because that money's
already there. And here's the key to this. If you're
not reading in fourth grade. By the fourth grade, you
have a seventy percent chance of going to prison or being.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
On one right, that's exactly right. So why couldn't it
be I mean, with the program you're talking about, why
couldn't we say, if you can't read by the end
of third grade, you're in this school, this program for
summer school, and that just has to be the way
it is. I just I really think that we are
in this mode of how do we punish you if
you can't read? And it's already hard enough if you
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can't read, and you're not in a good situation at
home because too many of the families from my generation
and the generation below me, they're raising the kids and
a lot of them can't read. So when you have
whole word learning, that is very hard because the parents
might not know the word either. So now you've got
your doubling down, because this kid, if you teach phonics,
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you can learn on your own. If you teach whole
word language, you have to learn with a parent, and
if the parent doesn't know, you're not going to learn exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And here's how we fix that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
If you're on government assistance program, we want to help
people we're a country that should help people when you
need it. We want to give you a hand up,
not a handout, but one of the requirements should be
and you know, we have a twenty hour work requirement now,
which I think is an important thing to do for people.
It helps you get better, it helps improve your economics, allows.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You to upskill.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Is that that first twenty hours you need to spend
on a reading reclamation program, take a reading assessment. Let's
get you reading at grade level. So we're going to
help you and you're going to help yourself. And here's
the benefit of that. You're going to help your kids.
Because that's what's happening is you have this cycle of
parents who can't read and not reading to their kids.
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We've talked to kids beyond basics thing who didn't have
a book in the house, not a magazine, not a book,
not a newspaper, nothing, and so they've never been even
exposed to the idea of reading. And why because the
parents can't read. It wasn't something they could do.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it's such an embarrassing thing. If you can't read.
That's and if you're a parent and you can't read,
the last thing you want is to be embarrassed in
front of your kids, so you just continue hiding it,
which you know, I've never really thought about the idea
of connecting that and testing people to see if they
can read. We have robbed so many people in this
state of an education because if you can't read, you
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can't learn math. If you can't read, you can't learn history.
There's nothing you can do without reading. And yet we've
passed these kids, and we feel no responsibility for the
fact that our tax dollars went into these schools that
failed kids. And we don't have to be failing kids,
but we've failed kids for generations, which makes it really
hard to get people back on track. So I love
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that idea of having something for their parents to be
able to help them too.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Absolutely, and I'm excited about it, Honestly, I can't. I
could get fired.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Up about this.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And if you think about why that piece is so important,
you have to break this cycle. And just a quick
note on teachers, because there's this new t well, it's
not the schools. It can't be the mystery. It must
be the teachers are doing the It is not the teachers,
I think. So I have a lot of teachers in
my family have a special ed teacher, and my cousin,
my niece is a is a fifth grade teacher. And
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what they're finding is, so, let's say you're a fifth
grade teacher and you they pass you out of the
third grade. You can't read at fourth grade level, and
why that's important? You learn to read to the third grade.
You you, I think I said that right. You learn
to read by the third grade, and you learn by
reading fourth grade up and really for the rest of
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your life.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Right, You're learned to read and then read to learn.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yes, there you go, thank you. That was the way
I was supposed to say it.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Up.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You see, I might have to go back to the
reading assessment.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
But it's true. It's true. If you can't read, you
can't learn.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Learn, especially fourth grade, and for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
So think of this as fifth grade teacher gets a
student in who isn't reading even at the third grade level.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
How do you teach fifth grade material exactly?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Who's not Really, it's so unfair to these teachers, and
I think they're getting club for this. It's not them,
It is the teachers' unions, and it's the administration of
these schools that has bought into the notion just plow
them out the other end and hope for the best
well work.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And we're fighting over these stupid concepts of you know,
what can we teach about culture war issues from kindergarten on?
And yet our kids can't read and that. And in
Michigan it's now we are forty fourth in the nation
for education. And like you said, Mississippi, Mississippi is like
the golden child. Now we're all talking about the Mississippi miracle,
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which I have to say I love because it means
that it can be done, and that means that it
can be a Michigan miracle as well. We have since
I ran. When I was running in twenty two, we
were thirty eighth. We're forty fourth now. I mean all
of the money that we have invested in education and
we continue to invest in education, and I think is
very important, don't get me wrong, but it should also
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be including an education that the end you should be
able to say you've been educated, oh that, oh that
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Think of this Mississippi about nine thousand of student Michigan
fourteen thousand dollars a student. Their reading scores are higher
than Michigan. It's not money. This notion that oh, if
you just give the schools more money, this will come
out right, that is just not true. We need to
absolutely hold these schools accountable. And the fact that Michigan
is not signing up to the Donald Trump's Donald Trump's
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Scholarship that's seventeen hundred dollars for people who need it
to make a choice to go to a school that
chooses to.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Teach reading and math is criminal.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean, our state ought to be first in line,
so that we're not forty fourth or tenth or four
or five. And by the way, we ought to start
every year saying we're going to be number one in
the country. Why any other standard. They're like, oh, but
we're not last.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well, I think that I would argue that they're trying
to distract from it. I don't think that they. I
think they just care about votes, and I think they
just care about power. And I mean this about the
Democrats in the state. It really doesn't seem to ever
be about people. Because you've got this talk of we've
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got to have free lunch and free breakfast and lunch.
And while I think it's important that the kids who
need a free breakfast in lunch, Absolutely get it. I
think that is also critical that they can read, and
that is never mentioned. You will not hear a single
Democrat talk about actually making sure that the things that
are meant to happen in school happen in school, just
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like you will not hear them talking about the violent
crime in the state outside of in areas where they
somehow identify with the people, because Democrats have this weird
tolerance for crime against people they don't care about, and
in Detroit seems to be that situation. We had two
hundred and three I think you wrote something about this,
two hundred and three murders in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yes, And by the way, they're saying, isn't that great? Honestly?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
How awful is that?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
God? It's just shocking.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And we're about four hundred percent higher than the national
average in violent crime aggravated assault, rape, one hundred and
eighty percent higher than the national average. Detroit is the
second most dangerous city by population in the country. And
what Democrats are saying is nothing to see here.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Move along. Oh, did I tell you that we've cut
down the number of.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Carjackings in the city, right, they're happy with a murder number.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I do not understand this.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I think people in those neighborhoods deserve every bit of
safety to walk to the store, to go to church
without getting accosted by street gangs or aggravated assault or robbery.
We're about two hundred percent higher than robbery. And the
reason the President went into Memphis is guess with the
number one most violent city was by population. It was Memphis,
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and they said please come in. Yes, my gosh, their
crime right is going down? Shocking Why. I mean, my
argument is if you could say, if I came to you,
tutor and said I've got a program for you, Madam Governor,
that we're going to save one hundred lives this year
in the city in Detroit, one hundred lives, say won't
cost you hardly anything. I bet we'd be jumping up
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and down saying, how do we do this? How do
we save one hundred people? What are the Democrats in
these cities saying? Nothing to see it here, don't come in,
we don't need you. We're exactly two hundred and three murders.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You have literally said that, You came out and said
I would welcome the National Guard. Your opponents and the
governor of the state said they would they never want
the National Guard here. So essentially, you said I can
prevent one hundred murders at least and they said no, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It makes no sense to me. But here's the thing.
All of the Democrats in the suburbs are all apparently
okay with this because they don't have that prime problem
in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's exactly well, and they don't have really any they're
elected officials, they're congressional elected officials and Senate. They don't
have anybody from dangerous neighborhoods. How lucky of them.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
And here's the thing that people don't understand is the
cynics on the left will say, oh, Republicans are doing
this to give votes.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yes, we'd love people to understand how conservatism can better
your life. We don't need your vote. We're not doing
it for your vote. How about your safety. We care
about people. I don't care what your zip code is,
I don't care what your address is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
We want you to have the.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Same safety and good education and access to healthcare than
all of your liberal friends who say they care about you,
but would never even drive through your neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's so offensive to me. I was a street agent
in the FBI. I worked organized crime in violent crime.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
In the city of Chicago. When I was an agent,
I've been in these neighborhoods.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I've spent a lot of time in these neighborhoods. I've
talked to a lot of victims in these neighborhoods, and
you know what they really want. They don't want anything
different than you and I want for our kids. They
want them to be safe, they want them to learn
how to read, and then they want them to be
able to better their lives. You can't do that if
you're not giving them the tools. And what democrats have
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said is as long as it's in these neighborhoods, we
don't care.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
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got more with Mike Rogers after this when you were
running for Senate. I think it was while you were
running the last time. Maybe it was a little bit before.
There was a shooting at a splash pad and Alissa
Slotkin came out and had a press conference about how
(27:19):
upset she was about the shooting at the splash Pad. Now,
let me just tell you it was in a very
wealthy area. She probably had a lot of donors. It
was maybe five days later Detroit saw the worst mass
shooting they had ever seen and it was almost all,
if not all, women eighteen to twenty five who were shot.
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And not only did Alyssa slot Can say nothing, but
Gretchen Whitmer said nothing. And Gretchen Whimer had done the
whole tour of media on how all we have to
prevent this gun violence because of this splash Pad shooting.
But again, they're tolerance for crime against people they don't
seem to care about. They can identify with it. I
don't understand what it is, But how do you ignore
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young women being shot?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, I think there were nineteen victims in that shooting.
It was the largest mass shooting in Detroit's history. Think
of that, and it was gang violence generated. You know,
I bet if you ask them, would it bother you?
If the National Guard were on patrol nearby, would it
bothered you?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Then?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Of course not, And so they And again it's because, honestly,
I think Donald Trump said it first, that you cannot
tolerate the idea that this might actually work and crime
might be averted. Think of the mayor of Washington, DC,
who said, terrible idea. I don't like it. I don't
want them here. They came anyway, and she said, Okay,
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I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It works right, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And I give her credit for coming out and saying
that and backing off, because that's hard in their party.
We can see. I mean, look at Hakem. Jeffrey's right now,
is still wondering what he's going to do about Mom Donnie,
because everybody in their party is saying, he's our nominee.
It doesn't matter if he's a communist. We have to
choose him. And that's not too different from your opponent.
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One of your opponent potential opponents, Abdul Elsaiad, was out
campaigning with Mom Donnie and he is very much on
the same kind of socialist, communist bent that Nanni is.
So what do you think about that for Michigan when
you see the Democrats are not willing to break from anything.
I mean again, I give Mayor Bowser a credit that
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she was finally able to say, Okay, Trump did something good.
That's not going to happen with Democrats in Michigan. So
how do you go up against somebody who wants to
bring these communist policies to Washington, c DC right out
of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
You know the good news? I so trust working families.
I came from a working family. You came from a
working family. We understand these people, and the Democrats do
not understand them. I mean, if you look even at
the three opponent and they all went to fancy schools,
you know, somewhere else and came here and now are
going to help Democrats and working people. They don't understand
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working people, and you know, working people are not going
to put up with the government running their healthcare where
you have to call a bureaucrat in Washington, d C.
To find out if you can lance your boil or not.
I mean, they are not understanding what how hard the
unions and working people fought for their health care benefits
in this state, and they did fight for them. And
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they're good health care benefits because they earned them. That's
what they don't understand. They earned them and so they
have good benefit packages. They're not going to turn that
over to the government. And the very fact that they
want to run your grocery store, right, most people get it,
that doesn't make good common sense.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I don't. I really I want.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Somebody who knows how to run a grocery store running
a grocery store. My selections are going to be pretty
good by the time that's over. And if you think
about the direction they're going on. By the way, stop
trying to indoctrinate my children at school. For God's I
want them to do reading and writing. Don't teach them
the twenty six letters of the alphabet, not that there's
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twenty six genders. I mean, get away from all that
nonsense and just go back to basics. My dad used
to call it the three r's, reading, writing, and arithmetic.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We stick to that. My God, we're going to We'll
be right back.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
This whole generation of kids will be the next greatest
generation in this country, and so I think working people
are going to identify with our message.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know, the Democrats are trying to scare the Jesus
out of people.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh you're you know, the Republicans hate you, Conservatives hate you,
and by the way, just stick with us.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well, here's what's sticking with us.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Has gotten us four of the most dangerous cities in
America here run by Democrats.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Education.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Now, as you said, even from when you ran, now
we're forty four thirty thousand manufacturing jobs. Lost your kids
coming to you and saying, hey, mom, I might have
to go out of state to get a job. I
gotta leave all of the things that rip people's arts.
This is what they have given us. And we're going
to make sure that people understand what they have done
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to your family, to your future prosperity, and that most importantly,
we can fix this. It's absolutely doable that we fix this.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And the highest energy cost in the Midwest, I mean,
it just goes on and on. My girls were learning
about the Keystone pipeline the other day and I said, well,
got shut down, and they were like, what do you mean,
doesn't say that in our notes? I said, maybe even
gotten there yet but that's the story, you know, And
it's interesting as they learn these things, and just even
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in the Christian school, I've realized that there is so
much anti Trump stuff, not coming from the school necessarily,
but in the materials that they're buying. And one of
the teachers was like, we didn't actually know that this
was so anti Trump. I love the fact that the
President had the Senate over at the White House the
other day in the Rose Garden because he was able
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to flip the narrative on we're going to lose the midterms.
And I think that's critical because he's he understands the
media and he knows that for him to be the
person talking, he has to do something to get the
media there. He looked straight at those cameras he said,
you know what, I've been told that you lose it.
You have like a ninety one percent chance of losing
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the midterms. And we're not going to lose the midterms.
And it's not us keeping the government shut down. These
guys are keeping the government shutdown. We're at the second
longest shutdown in history. The longest was twenty eighteen when
they shut it down for thirty five days. This is
a there's a pattern here. They want the American people
to think Trump is the problem. He was a genius
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when he went on the news and he said, We're
not the problem. They did this to me before, and
it seems like, based on numbers and polling and sentiment,
that the American people believe him this time. They're like,
you know what, it does look like the Dems. How
does that play out for the midterms?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Listen, don't I think that by the time the midterms
get around, hopefully they'll have this result. But I think
people are starting to buy into this notion that Democrats
don't really care about what's good for you. They care
about what's good for them. And when you have Schumer,
the leader of the Democrat Party in America today is
the highest ranking Democrat in their party today, saying that
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this shutdown is good for us. And when he says us,
he's talking about Democrats and politicians in Washington, DC. You know,
there's about three hundred and fifty million dollars of lost
economic activity justin Michigan every single week that they do this.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And these are small.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Businesses, these are dry cleaners, these are little restaurants and
mom and pop diners. You know, this isn't general motors
or all the other stuff. This is the backbone of
our state. They don't seem to care that law enforcement's
losing their checks, that the military's families are not worried
about getting paid, that people who are trying to get
their social secure already check worked out because.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
They need the money.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
There's nobody to answer the phone because the Democrats think
that this is good for their political position, and having
the Trump having President Trump look at the camera and say, man,
this is bad. And I think people are going to
understand who's doing it. And here's the thing. All they
have to do is vote for the extension, come back
and negotiate. That's what the whole place is about.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So explain that really quick, because I think people are
trying to figure out what are they fighting against. They've
always signed this, they've always voted yes for this.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Thirteen times prior, the Democrats voted for extensions just like
this to keep negotiations going. It doesn't add money, there's
no partisanship in it, there's no nothing. It just says
we're going to pay our bills for the next fill
in the blank twenty days. Why we negotiate and the
Democrats said, nope, we're not going to pay our bills
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because we think Republicans will get blamed. This is so,
this is the most cynical part of politics I have
seen in a very long time. And it just goes
to show you a tutor that they have walked away
from working. I don't even think they understand who working
people are anymore. No, No, that check that doesn't come
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at the end of the month means something. It means
hardship in their family, it means sacrifice that they shouldn't
have to make. And so that's happening to people who
had nothing to do with this. And then the added
economic cost to our state, to these small businesses around
the state, it's devastating.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
And we're hearing about snap benefits getting interrupted soon. I mean,
at a certain point this, I know people are like, oh,
what do we need the government for? Well, there are
you know, public safety, transportation, You've got TSA not getting paychecks.
All of these people are just sitting there going it's
good faith work. Now we're hoping that we get paid.
That's terrible. How could you do that to any family?
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And we're going into the holidays This is the thing
that makes me the most mad. I look at this
and I think I'm at that mode right now where
I'm doing my calculations of Okay, can I can I
get through Christmas? What are the Christmas gifts I can
get for people? Every family is doing that. That's real life.
But it's not real life for these people. They don't
care and they're getting paid no matter what. And it
just makes us out here in the country crazy. And
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that's why I will say to people here in Michigan,
you have an opportunity to take the Senate back.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, well, think about it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
We haven't had a Republican in thirty two years, so
the Democrats have been in charge and our voice in
Michigan for thirty two years. Hey, how's that working out
for you?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And having the most people in the Senate is critical.
I know that. Right now, people go, oh, well, we
have all three branches and we're all we're in good shape.
But you have to have a even bigger majority in
the Senate.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, yeah, you need sixty votes to stop what the
Democrats are doing. And what they're doing, remember they've voted
twelve times now to say no. I don't want people
to get paid in the government. I want it closed
down because I want the political advantage, not because it's
good for And they're saying, well, this is about healthcare,
so you want you want illegals to get Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Benefits, you want them back.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, by the way, if you're able bodied, you don't
want them to work twenty hours a week. That's what
they're fighting about. And there's you know, John Kennedy, if
you want to look this up, Senator John Kennedy, Louisiana, always.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Worth a chuckle.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
He goes through and finds the craziest things that they
want to do.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
One of them, the one I remember off the top.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Of my head, is a pastry and dance classes for
male prostitutes in Haiti. What that's in the package that
they want to refund and make you pay for it?
My I mean, you start looking at these and there's
a whole bunch of yeah, even you can't make it up.
There's also they want to pay it's like half a
million bucks to a gay pride parade in Lesotho, Africa.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean, even what we're looking at. I look at
what we're looking at in New York right now, New
York City, And I'm thinking, this guy is saying that
he's running on these conservative Muslim values, but he is
promoting prostitution and he voted for it. I mean, it's
not just promoting He voted to legalize what they call
it sex work, it is prostitution and said, you know
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what he said, the reason was because people who are
selling their bodies, people who are engaged in sex work,
they cannot get paid right now because their landlords are
afraid that they will be considered pimps and get arrested.
And I'm like, think about the mental gymnastics you have
to go through to get to the point where you
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say you should legalize prostitution, and we know what happens.
Then you really do turn women into slaves for pimps.
And that's what he's promoting. How on earth did we
get to the point where that is something that could
happen in the United States of America?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You got me.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And it doesn't work in the rest of the world either.
And by the way, I worked human trafficking cases as
a part of my work against the Chicago organized crime
and people say, well, it's the woman's choice. It is
not always the women's choice. It is they have there
at the end of their rope, and there are absolute
predators who take advantage of these women and put them
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into it. It is prostitution. I have a hard time calling
that sex work. It's prostitution. And by the way, there's
drugs involved. The cases we were working, they were deliberately
getting these women hooked on heroin so that they could
put them on the street and make them work it
off in their terminology. How we would tolerate this, you know,
what's why? Because maybe you don't drive through that neighborhood.
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These are human beings as these are young tids, younger women.
They're your daughters, they may even be your mother's. There
were cases where there were moms who are so at
wits end thought maybe this is the only way I
can care for my child. That's not when you're doing that,
you're not making a choice. You're making the worst best
choice for your family. But why would we allow that
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to be an option.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's dangerous, so and you are not you are not
making a choice. You are being forced into a dangerous situation.
So many, I mean, you know, so many of those
women end up dead, They end up with diseases, they
end up abused, and this is what we are hearing.
You are the perfect person to say that this cannot
happen to New York City because you saw it when
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it was illegal. Imagine making it legal.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, well, what will happen is there'll be a legal
process to guarantee you this is going to happen. There'll
be a legal process, and some people will follow the
legal process, but it will unleash the illegal underground to
do whatever they want in sexual trafficking.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
And that's just the way it works.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And so you think that money is going to go away,
you think those gangsters aren't going to take that money.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Absolutely not. And the other part of this.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Is when that woman has reached where they don't think
they can make money off of that young woman, then
she's out. You don't know where to go. You know,
could be death, could be absolute overdose. I mean the possibilities.
And by the way, let's look at it this way.
Do you want to look your daughter in the eye
as a senior in high school and say, hey, sex
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trafficking work, that's an option, right?
Speaker 2 (42:20):
No, God, no, we can't let ourselves get there.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
And that to me is why your race another reason
your race is so important is because you have a
candidate on the Democrat side who is saying I'm for
mom Donnie and all of his policies, and if that
goes to the federal government and you get enough support,
which I know sounds insane. However, I say nothing sounds
insane today after the things that I have seen coming
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out of the progressive wing of their party. It has
gotten so out of control and it's taking control. I mean,
you can see that Bernie Sanders is still leading the
charge with all of these rallies. They have so many
people coming. The progressive wing is pushing out you. That's
why we're in this shutdown, pushing out the hockeym Jeffries
of the world, and they are taking over. I cannot
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express enough why this Senate Senate seat is so important.
Donald Trump has endorsed you. Tell people how they can
go to your website and help you out.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, thanks Tudor and all the help that we got
out raised five to one last time that I don't
know where there.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Is Michigan for you can't happen again.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
It cannot happen again. So please go to Rogers for
Senate R O. G. E. R. S. Rogersfor Senate dot Com.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
You know, your goodwill, a small amount of money can
go a long long way. And if you're in Michigan,
we'd love to have your help.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
So you can sign up for you know, canvassing your neighborhood,
putting up yard signs, handing out literature and believe me,
those things matter and they do count. And the most
important person that the endorsement that I will get, I
mean President Trump's endorsement was phenomenal. Is is somebody in
a neighborhood walks next door and says, hey, I'm gonna
tell you why I'm voting for Mike Rogers will likely
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get that vote. That's the most powerful endorsement you can get.
So I don't want people to think, well, I'm you know,
I'm just who am I. You're everything and your circle
of friends will pay attention to you. So go on,
Rogersfirsenate dot com. Let us not allow Mandami's policies of
socialism show up at the shores here of our great
life state.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, I think that's got to be said, because I
know in the last election it was like nineteen thousand
votes and we actually had a lot of base voters
who just didn't come out, and I think that you know,
in Michigan, we have this kind of unique situation where
we have a lot of people who are very involved
and just like you said, those people that will go
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to their neighbor and say this is why those people
to go to their neighbor and say this is why
not they have just as much impact. I promise you
that rule of if we're aligned eighty percent of the time,
that's good is important here because you want to make
sure that we have Republican votes. The altar is what
we were just talking about, young women in danger, sex
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trafficking going off the charts, and open border, all of
fights in the Middle East. I mean, this is the
kind of stuff that is on the line. So when
you are going out there and talking to your Republican friends,
understand the vote has got to come through.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yes, exactly, we need you to show up. You know,
it's great to talk about it. I do think of this.
You can have an impact for our state if you're
from Michigan by electing a Republican governor and a state
Senate and a state House to finally get us out
of the doldrums here in right direction and prevent nonsense
like sexual trafficking being legal. And you can have an
impact on the US Senate, maybe for the next generation
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by sending a Republican for the first time in thirty
two years to represent working people. And my dad always
used to say, listen, you better work to send somebody
to Washington, because some Washington will send somebody after you.
And so I thought that was great advice. Let's get
busy to do this. And Tutor, thank you so much
for all that you do around the state. I've heard
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you speak many times, always a crowd, always entertaining, and
always informative when I leave there, So thanks for the
work that you're doing around the state and thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Thanks for throwing your hat in the ring once again,
Mike Rogers. We appreciate having you here on the podcast today, Tutor,
thanks so much, enjoy it absolutely and thank you all
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blessed Day
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have a
former Congressman and the former chairman of the House Intelligent
Committee and the current US candidate for US Senate here
in Michigan, Mike Rogers. Mike, thanks for joining me, Tutor.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It is great to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Absolutely, there's so much that I want to talk to
you about. Obviously we have this shutdown, but there's a
lot of stuff that you've been talking about and writing
op eds about, and all kinds of different things that
I think are important that someone in DC is advocating
for Michigan. And I want so everybody who's listening right now.
I know not everybody is from Michigan, but I think
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it's important for you to understand that your US senator
can do things for your state. They're not just a
vote nationally. They're actually out there advocating for you too.
And this is something we haven't seen in Michigan. We've
really been struggling and manufacturing. You talked about shop class,
You talked about your dad being in shop class and
manufacturing and building things. My dad was the same. I
(01:04):
worked in the foundry. We need it back. What can
you do?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, thanks. Yeah, matter of fact, thanks for the question, Tootor.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And this, to me is the most important thing we'll
be talking about going forward, getting Michigan back on its feet.
I mean, the Democrats under Democrat leadership has been a disaster,
lost manufacturing jobs thirty thousand. Our education system is now
forty fourth in the country. Mississippi does better than Michigan
right now in education. We need to fix all of that.
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And having a senator, as you said, advocating for the
kinds of things that are important for our future economically,
for our kids education and so kids can actually stay
in a state like Michigan outrageously important. And my dad
was a shop teacher. I'm the youngest of five boys.
My dad was a shop teacher and a football coach.
And by the way, if you said industrial arts and
our family, you might get the back of his hand.
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We hated that, but.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean that honestly. We talk about that. I'm glad
you mentioned that, because we talk about this all the time.
I lost my dad in twenty twenty two. He was
a foundryman my whole life, and my mom and I
say all the time, I can't imagine what he would
think of the ridiculous stuff that's going on today, and
the fact that we just we don't even have any
foundries left.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I know it's bad and we probably won't get a
whole surge of foundries come back, but what we can
now get is that advance manufacturing where the jobs are
a important for our national security. And hopefully we'll talk
about Trump's tweat today about talking to Ford and General
Motor CEOs who said, hey, thanks for the tariffs. You're
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saving the automobile industry. You're saving trucks being built in
America and Michigan specifically, which is good for our national security.
And we need those jobs back and we need people
connected to them. I think we should have shop in
every high school in America. Listen, my dad believed in it.
You know, as I said, he didn't like industrial arts.
He said, it is shop, and it's about mechanics, it's
(02:59):
about metal work and woodworking, and it's good for you.
I don't care what you do in life. That's pretty helpful.
And imagine if we had a whole generation of kids
put down their screens for one minute and went in
and saw what you can do if you work with
your hands in the critical thinking that comes out of
repairing something, building something. I think it would be an
amazing change and a refreshing change for so many people
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whose whole lives are consumed by how many likes they
have on their social media. I think this is good
for a whole bunch of reasons. But it also connects
people to really high paying jobs. Judor, and you know
this because you traveled around our state. I went to
a place in the Thumb just recently, about a week ago,
where one of the guys who runs a very sophisticated
(03:43):
computing drilling machine makes a quarter of a million dollars
a year.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, oh yeah, easily.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I know this is these are great jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And that's what so I tell people. Okay, so you
obviously know foundries. And if you don't know foundries, I mean,
we're MELTI metal, We're pouring it into sand molds. It's
kind of a dirty place, I'll admit. You go to
some of these machine shops, and if you're from manufacturing,
you go into these machine shops and I'm like, I
could eat off the floor in this shop. I mean,
these are nice places to work.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Matter of fact, he's very proud of the owner is
very proud. He says, I paint the floor every year. Yeah,
I want a nice clean place to work.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And it is.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's very clean, and it's ergonomically correct. I mean, you're
not in there, you know, you know, wrestling a fifty
pounds sheet of metal all day long. You've got machines
doing it and you're just doing the programming and getting
things in the right And it's really quite exciting to
watch and then to see the pride in these workers
when they're done and they have a product that they know.
(04:42):
In this case, some of this work is going onto
SpaceX right, and this is really high end work, and I.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Think that's something that we could have in Michigan. We
could We are very well positioned to take over some
of this kind of space manufacturing and even aircraft manufacturing.
We have that workforce right now. It still exists. We're
teetering on the edge of struggling. I mean, I've talked
to a lot of people in Michigan. They say, you know,
(05:09):
we're struggling to get workers. We're still known as that
hub for manufacturing, but it's been so long. With Gretchen
Whitmer and Gary Peters and Debbie Stabinaw ignoring this state
that we have started to trail off a little bit
in our workforce. This is the moment, I mean, this
is why this election is so important. This is the
(05:30):
moment for Michigan to be the focus again and for
us to get that back. And it really is important
for the entire United States because you may go, oh, well,
you know, we want it in our state, but because
we are the state that put the world on wheels,
we have that history here. You cannot allow Michigan to
fail because it will hurt the entire automotive industry.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely completely agree in that new budding as you just described,
aerospace industry that's here right, building things for SpaceX, building
things for Boeing. We have that capability and we should
double down on it. And as you said, the Democrats
just walked away from all of this.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They're so married to the coasts, the liberal ideology of
the coasts of America.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
They forgot about people who get up and work hard
and are proud to build things. And we have this
whole generation of kids, as I said, that just aren't
connected to it. I think if they got connected to it,
they would find this a really, really good career option
for them.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And so we're going to do it from two ways.
And think of this.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
This is another thing that drives me crazy about what
senators can do or not do. We used to have
an air base in the Upper Peninsula, Strategic Air Base.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They let that go. We used to build tanks in Michigan.
They let that go.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And by the way, they still do these things. We
still have air force bases, We still build tanks in America.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
They're just not building them here anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
We used to have a navy base that tracks submarines,
Russian submarines, primarily up in the up They let that go.
And so all of the defense industrial based manufacturing also
breeds commercial manufacturing, dual use kind of manufacturing that's really
good for cutting edge and it's great for I think,
for America to have a diverse defense industrial base so
(07:09):
that China doesn't clean our clock. And so this is
that chance, and I agree with you, we're on the edge.
We don't get our education system turned around, we're in trouble.
If we don't get our manufacturing back and off of
its knees in this state, we're going to be in trouble.
This is the election to actually pull that off, and
I'm pretty confident we're going to do it, and I'm
(07:30):
I think working people are now understanding that if you
want a better future for your kids, it really is
conservatives and the Republican Party and that's going to get
you there.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And it's critical for young men right now because in
the state you've heard Gretchen Whitmer out there saying, oh,
we don't know what's happening. We have our universities are
being attended by women, but the men in Michigan are
not going to school, They're not going to trade school,
they're not going to college. What is happening to the
young men in the state of Michigan. This is aquis
(08:00):
and yet I really do believe that the Democrats just
have no idea how to address it. I think it's
so important that people that come from the manufacturing world,
that have parents like you had, that there are shop teachers,
understand what's going on in this generation and how to
get them involved. We need we need people working. I mean,
there's really not an option when you grow up to
(08:22):
not work.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, they're unfortunately under the Biden administration, they tried to.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Make it right. Yeah yeah, well, uh, and spent.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
By the way, that was a disaster and it's still
and we're still suffering that hangover right now.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
There's I think I heard a quote.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
From Mike row seven points either one or two million
able bodied men not working. That's unconsfortable, and we need
to get back to the notion. No, that's dignity. You
want your dignity back. Yes, work, it's a good thing,
it's a healthy thing.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And I think they want I think they want to.
But if you, I mean just what we were talking about.
You talk about the shop in the thumb, and for
those of you listening outside of the state of Michigan,
we are a mitten and we do refer to that
area as the thumb of the mitten. That's where we go.
So in the thumb he's talking about in the mitten,
that shop that you're talking about that is so beautiful.
(09:16):
I'm sure that they are able to program machines right
from their phone and all these fancy, all this fancy
fancy technology that they use. It requires you to be
able to read. So for all of the people that
are high falutant and think they're better than our manufacturing jobs,
that we've all done. You and they look down on
(09:37):
us and they go, oh, those are for people that
are uneducated. No, it's a very highly skilled job and
you have to read. And yet in Michigan, our kids
can't read.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, here's one for you too. We're going to double
down on it. They can't read terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And by the way, my wife and I are really
involved in trying to get reclaiming reading mitigation meeting.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
We're going to get you back up to grade level.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
So there's a not for off it called beyond Basics
doing phenomenal work here in Michigan. It's sad that we
have to do that because the schools aren't doing it.
But here's another one for I've been all these little
tool and die shops of which you are very very
familiar with. They were had three shops tell me they
had to take the question of reading a measuring tape
(10:19):
off the interview.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yes, I had that same conversation with people. Isn't that insane?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's crazy? And you know what, they can't do fractions?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
What is one in one quarter and one in three quarters?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Of course you and I know that's ten, but just kidding,
joking for you math wizards out there. But kids were
not able to figure that out on a tape measure,
and so they stop asking the question. Now they have
to come in and teach them fractions. Now these are
high school graduates. These are pretty These aren't complicated, really
complicated fractions. They're simple fractions. They're just not learning it
(10:54):
in school, so they can't. They come out and they're
reading it an eighth grade level and they can't do fractions.
I mean, you almost have to try to do this
to a generation of kids.
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more after this. It's interesting because we had this I'm
going to say something maybe controversial. We had a third
grade reading law here in the state of Michigan, and
(12:27):
it was that if you haven't if you can't read
by third grade, you have to be held back. And
Whitmer just repealed that. The governor just repealed dot law
last year. So now all these kids are getting passed through.
They were getting passed through anyway. And the problem with
a law like that is that it's only effective if
it's enforced. And then how do you enforce it? I mean,
are you going to take people to jail at our schools?
(12:49):
What are you going to do? It really has to
be that we hold the schools accountable for their whether
or not their kids are able to read, and then
if they can't read, I really think there has to
be reading specialists. I think there has to be a
focus on helping them actually get to grade level. There's
just so much punishment that's going on and yet the
(13:09):
kids are still not reading.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, so part of this program and there's I can
get into the policy side if you want, but on education,
this is where I think the FEDS could help the
state and local government. And I look forward to having
a Republican governor that we can have this conversation about
getting kids reading again versus how we don't want to
talk about it in this state. Is this reading reclamation program?
(13:32):
They can teach kids to read at grade level from
six to fourteen weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Think of that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So this isn't you know, this isn't a horrific burden.
And I'm going to tell you what the secret sauce is.
Everybody paying attention here, This is very very very secret. Phonics.
They use phonics to get these kids back reading at
grade level because years ago the education establishment decided that
(13:59):
whole were learning was the ticket.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Whole word learning has been a disaster. And remember phonics.
I don't know many. I'm sure a lot of folks
that you have listening understand what phonics are.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
There's probably a whole group. Go what is that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
It's where you learn to read by sounding out words
in a nutshell, so you can sound out any word
and by the time you're done sounding out you'll get
and understand what that word is.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Whole word.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
If you don't recognize the word, you're never going to
get the word. You don't know how to break it
down on the syllables to read that word. It's been
a disaster. Kids can't read. And so my argument is
we use that title one money that they're going to
disadvantage schools in the third grade, and you make that
a reading reclamation program assigned of money. You take a
(14:45):
reading assessment. If you can't read going into the fourth grade,
then you have to go through it. You have to
show that you're going to have this mediation, by the way,
which the government can help pay for, because that money's
already there. And here's the key to this. If you're
not reading in fourth grade. By the fourth grade, you
have a seventy percent chance of going to prison or being.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
On one right, that's exactly right. So why couldn't it
be I mean, with the program you're talking about, why
couldn't we say, if you can't read by the end
of third grade, you're in this school, this program for
summer school, and that just has to be the way
it is. I just I really think that we are
in this mode of how do we punish you if
you can't read? And it's already hard enough if you
(15:26):
can't read, and you're not in a good situation at
home because too many of the families from my generation
and the generation below me, they're raising the kids and
a lot of them can't read. So when you have
whole word learning, that is very hard because the parents
might not know the word either. So now you've got
your doubling down, because this kid, if you teach phonics,
(15:48):
you can learn on your own. If you teach whole
word language, you have to learn with a parent, and
if the parent doesn't know, you're not going to learn exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And here's how we fix that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
If you're on government assistance program, we want to help
people we're a country that should help people when you
need it. We want to give you a hand up,
not a handout, but one of the requirements should be
and you know, we have a twenty hour work requirement now,
which I think is an important thing to do for people.
It helps you get better, it helps improve your economics, allows.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You to upskill.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Is that that first twenty hours you need to spend
on a reading reclamation program, take a reading assessment. Let's
get you reading at grade level. So we're going to
help you and you're going to help yourself. And here's
the benefit of that. You're going to help your kids.
Because that's what's happening is you have this cycle of
parents who can't read and not reading to their kids.
(16:40):
We've talked to kids beyond basics thing who didn't have
a book in the house, not a magazine, not a book,
not a newspaper, nothing, and so they've never been even
exposed to the idea of reading. And why because the
parents can't read. It wasn't something they could do.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it's such an embarrassing thing. If you can't read.
That's and if you're a parent and you can't read,
the last thing you want is to be embarrassed in
front of your kids, so you just continue hiding it,
which you know, I've never really thought about the idea
of connecting that and testing people to see if they
can read. We have robbed so many people in this
state of an education because if you can't read, you
(17:19):
can't learn math. If you can't read, you can't learn history.
There's nothing you can do without reading. And yet we've
passed these kids, and we feel no responsibility for the
fact that our tax dollars went into these schools that
failed kids. And we don't have to be failing kids,
but we've failed kids for generations, which makes it really
hard to get people back on track. So I love
(17:39):
that idea of having something for their parents to be
able to help them too.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Absolutely, and I'm excited about it, Honestly, I can't. I
could get fired.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Up about this.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And if you think about why that piece is so important,
you have to break this cycle. And just a quick
note on teachers, because there's this new t well, it's
not the schools. It can't be the mystery. It must
be the teachers are doing the It is not the teachers,
I think. So I have a lot of teachers in
my family have a special ed teacher, and my cousin,
my niece is a is a fifth grade teacher. And
(18:13):
what they're finding is, so, let's say you're a fifth
grade teacher and you they pass you out of the
third grade. You can't read at fourth grade level, and
why that's important? You learn to read to the third grade.
You you, I think I said that right. You learn
to read by the third grade, and you learn by
reading fourth grade up and really for the rest of
(18:35):
your life.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Right, You're learned to read and then read to learn.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yes, there you go, thank you. That was the way
I was supposed to say it.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Up.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You see, I might have to go back to the
reading assessment.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
But it's true. It's true. If you can't read, you
can't learn.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Learn, especially fourth grade, and for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
So think of this as fifth grade teacher gets a
student in who isn't reading even at the third grade level.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
How do you teach fifth grade material exactly?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Who's not Really, it's so unfair to these teachers, and
I think they're getting club for this. It's not them,
It is the teachers' unions, and it's the administration of
these schools that has bought into the notion just plow
them out the other end and hope for the best
well work.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And we're fighting over these stupid concepts of you know,
what can we teach about culture war issues from kindergarten on?
And yet our kids can't read and that. And in
Michigan it's now we are forty fourth in the nation
for education. And like you said, Mississippi, Mississippi is like
the golden child. Now we're all talking about the Mississippi miracle,
(19:41):
which I have to say I love because it means
that it can be done, and that means that it
can be a Michigan miracle as well. We have since
I ran. When I was running in twenty two, we
were thirty eighth. We're forty fourth now. I mean all
of the money that we have invested in education and
we continue to invest in education, and I think is
very important, don't get me wrong, but it should also
(20:03):
be including an education that the end you should be
able to say you've been educated, oh that, oh that
you know.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Think of this Mississippi about nine thousand of student Michigan
fourteen thousand dollars a student. Their reading scores are higher
than Michigan. It's not money. This notion that oh, if
you just give the schools more money, this will come
out right, that is just not true. We need to
absolutely hold these schools accountable. And the fact that Michigan
is not signing up to the Donald Trump's Donald Trump's
(20:35):
Scholarship that's seventeen hundred dollars for people who need it
to make a choice to go to a school that
chooses to.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Teach reading and math is criminal.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean, our state ought to be first in line,
so that we're not forty fourth or tenth or four
or five. And by the way, we ought to start
every year saying we're going to be number one in
the country. Why any other standard. They're like, oh, but
we're not last.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well, I think that I would argue that they're trying
to distract from it. I don't think that they. I
think they just care about votes, and I think they
just care about power. And I mean this about the
Democrats in the state. It really doesn't seem to ever
be about people. Because you've got this talk of we've
(21:23):
got to have free lunch and free breakfast and lunch.
And while I think it's important that the kids who
need a free breakfast in lunch, Absolutely get it. I
think that is also critical that they can read, and
that is never mentioned. You will not hear a single
Democrat talk about actually making sure that the things that
are meant to happen in school happen in school, just
(21:43):
like you will not hear them talking about the violent
crime in the state outside of in areas where they
somehow identify with the people, because Democrats have this weird
tolerance for crime against people they don't care about, and
in Detroit seems to be that situation. We had two
hundred and three I think you wrote something about this,
two hundred and three murders in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yes, And by the way, they're saying, isn't that great? Honestly?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
How awful is that?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
God? It's just shocking.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And we're about four hundred percent higher than the national
average in violent crime aggravated assault, rape, one hundred and
eighty percent higher than the national average. Detroit is the
second most dangerous city by population in the country. And
what Democrats are saying is nothing to see here.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Move along. Oh, did I tell you that we've cut
down the number of.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Carjackings in the city, right, they're happy with a murder number.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I do not understand this.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I think people in those neighborhoods deserve every bit of
safety to walk to the store, to go to church
without getting accosted by street gangs or aggravated assault or robbery.
We're about two hundred percent higher than robbery. And the
reason the President went into Memphis is guess with the
number one most violent city was by population. It was Memphis,
(23:02):
and they said please come in. Yes, my gosh, their
crime right is going down? Shocking Why. I mean, my
argument is if you could say, if I came to you,
tutor and said I've got a program for you, Madam Governor,
that we're going to save one hundred lives this year
in the city in Detroit, one hundred lives, say won't
cost you hardly anything. I bet we'd be jumping up
(23:24):
and down saying, how do we do this? How do
we save one hundred people? What are the Democrats in
these cities saying? Nothing to see it here, don't come in,
we don't need you. We're exactly two hundred and three murders.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You have literally said that, You came out and said
I would welcome the National Guard. Your opponents and the
governor of the state said they would they never want
the National Guard here. So essentially, you said I can
prevent one hundred murders at least and they said no, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
It makes no sense to me. But here's the thing.
All of the Democrats in the suburbs are all apparently
okay with this because they don't have that prime problem
in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That's exactly well, and they don't have really any they're
elected officials, they're congressional elected officials and Senate. They don't
have anybody from dangerous neighborhoods. How lucky of them.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
And here's the thing that people don't understand is the
cynics on the left will say, oh, Republicans are doing
this to give votes.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yes, we'd love people to understand how conservatism can better
your life. We don't need your vote. We're not doing
it for your vote. How about your safety. We care
about people. I don't care what your zip code is,
I don't care what your address is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
We want you to have the.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Same safety and good education and access to healthcare than
all of your liberal friends who say they care about you,
but would never even drive through your neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It's so offensive to me. I was a street agent
in the FBI. I worked organized crime in violent crime.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
In the city of Chicago. When I was an agent,
I've been in these neighborhoods.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I've spent a lot of time in these neighborhoods. I've
talked to a lot of victims in these neighborhoods, and
you know what they really want. They don't want anything
different than you and I want for our kids. They
want them to be safe, they want them to learn
how to read, and then they want them to be
able to better their lives. You can't do that if
you're not giving them the tools. And what democrats have
(25:26):
said is as long as it's in these neighborhoods, we
don't care.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
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got more with Mike Rogers after this when you were
running for Senate. I think it was while you were
running the last time. Maybe it was a little bit before.
There was a shooting at a splash pad and Alissa
Slotkin came out and had a press conference about how
(27:19):
upset she was about the shooting at the splash Pad. Now,
let me just tell you it was in a very
wealthy area. She probably had a lot of donors. It
was maybe five days later Detroit saw the worst mass
shooting they had ever seen and it was almost all,
if not all, women eighteen to twenty five who were shot.
(27:40):
And not only did Alyssa slot Can say nothing, but
Gretchen Whitmer said nothing. And Gretchen Whimer had done the
whole tour of media on how all we have to
prevent this gun violence because of this splash Pad shooting.
But again, they're tolerance for crime against people they don't
seem to care about. They can identify with it. I
don't understand what it is, But how do you ignore
(28:05):
young women being shot?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, I think there were nineteen victims in that shooting.
It was the largest mass shooting in Detroit's history. Think
of that, and it was gang violence generated. You know,
I bet if you ask them, would it bother you?
If the National Guard were on patrol nearby, would it
bothered you?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Then?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Of course not, And so they And again it's because, honestly,
I think Donald Trump said it first, that you cannot
tolerate the idea that this might actually work and crime
might be averted. Think of the mayor of Washington, DC,
who said, terrible idea. I don't like it. I don't
want them here. They came anyway, and she said, Okay,
(28:48):
I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It works right, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And I give her credit for coming out and saying
that and backing off, because that's hard in their party.
We can see. I mean, look at Hakem. Jeffrey's right now,
is still wondering what he's going to do about Mom Donnie,
because everybody in their party is saying, he's our nominee.
It doesn't matter if he's a communist. We have to
choose him. And that's not too different from your opponent.
(29:12):
One of your opponent potential opponents, Abdul Elsaiad, was out
campaigning with Mom Donnie and he is very much on
the same kind of socialist, communist bent that Nanni is.
So what do you think about that for Michigan when
you see the Democrats are not willing to break from anything.
I mean again, I give Mayor Bowser a credit that
(29:34):
she was finally able to say, Okay, Trump did something good.
That's not going to happen with Democrats in Michigan. So
how do you go up against somebody who wants to
bring these communist policies to Washington, c DC right out
of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
You know the good news? I so trust working families.
I came from a working family. You came from a
working family. We understand these people, and the Democrats do
not understand them. I mean, if you look even at
the three opponent and they all went to fancy schools,
you know, somewhere else and came here and now are
going to help Democrats and working people. They don't understand
(30:09):
working people, and you know, working people are not going
to put up with the government running their healthcare where
you have to call a bureaucrat in Washington, d C.
To find out if you can lance your boil or not.
I mean, they are not understanding what how hard the
unions and working people fought for their health care benefits
in this state, and they did fight for them. And
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they're good health care benefits because they earned them. That's
what they don't understand. They earned them and so they
have good benefit packages. They're not going to turn that
over to the government. And the very fact that they
want to run your grocery store, right, most people get it,
that doesn't make good common sense.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I don't. I really I want.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Somebody who knows how to run a grocery store running
a grocery store. My selections are going to be pretty
good by the time that's over. And if you think
about the direction they're going on. By the way, stop
trying to indoctrinate my children at school. For God's I
want them to do reading and writing. Don't teach them
the twenty six letters of the alphabet, not that there's
(31:07):
twenty six genders. I mean, get away from all that
nonsense and just go back to basics. My dad used
to call it the three r's, reading, writing, and arithmetic.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
We stick to that. My God, we're going to We'll
be right back.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
This whole generation of kids will be the next greatest
generation in this country, and so I think working people
are going to identify with our message.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know, the Democrats are trying to scare the Jesus
out of people.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh you're you know, the Republicans hate you, Conservatives hate you,
and by the way, just stick with us.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well, here's what's sticking with us.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Has gotten us four of the most dangerous cities in
America here run by Democrats.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Education.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Now, as you said, even from when you ran, now
we're forty four thirty thousand manufacturing jobs. Lost your kids
coming to you and saying, hey, mom, I might have
to go out of state to get a job. I
gotta leave all of the things that rip people's arts.
This is what they have given us. And we're going
to make sure that people understand what they have done
(32:08):
to your family, to your future prosperity, and that most importantly,
we can fix this. It's absolutely doable that we fix this.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And the highest energy cost in the Midwest, I mean,
it just goes on and on. My girls were learning
about the Keystone pipeline the other day and I said, well,
got shut down, and they were like, what do you mean,
doesn't say that in our notes? I said, maybe even
gotten there yet but that's the story, you know, And
it's interesting as they learn these things, and just even
(32:40):
in the Christian school, I've realized that there is so
much anti Trump stuff, not coming from the school necessarily,
but in the materials that they're buying. And one of
the teachers was like, we didn't actually know that this
was so anti Trump. I love the fact that the
President had the Senate over at the White House the
other day in the Rose Garden because he was able
(33:02):
to flip the narrative on we're going to lose the midterms.
And I think that's critical because he's he understands the
media and he knows that for him to be the
person talking, he has to do something to get the
media there. He looked straight at those cameras he said,
you know what, I've been told that you lose it.
You have like a ninety one percent chance of losing
(33:22):
the midterms. And we're not going to lose the midterms.
And it's not us keeping the government shut down. These
guys are keeping the government shutdown. We're at the second
longest shutdown in history. The longest was twenty eighteen when
they shut it down for thirty five days. This is
a there's a pattern here. They want the American people
to think Trump is the problem. He was a genius
(33:44):
when he went on the news and he said, We're
not the problem. They did this to me before, and
it seems like, based on numbers and polling and sentiment,
that the American people believe him this time. They're like,
you know what, it does look like the Dems. How
does that play out for the midterms?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Listen, don't I think that by the time the midterms
get around, hopefully they'll have this result. But I think
people are starting to buy into this notion that Democrats
don't really care about what's good for you. They care
about what's good for them. And when you have Schumer,
the leader of the Democrat Party in America today is
the highest ranking Democrat in their party today, saying that
(34:25):
this shutdown is good for us. And when he says us,
he's talking about Democrats and politicians in Washington, DC. You know,
there's about three hundred and fifty million dollars of lost
economic activity justin Michigan every single week that they do this.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And these are small.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Businesses, these are dry cleaners, these are little restaurants and
mom and pop diners. You know, this isn't general motors
or all the other stuff. This is the backbone of
our state. They don't seem to care that law enforcement's
losing their checks, that the military's families are not worried
about getting paid, that people who are trying to get
their social secure already check worked out because.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
They need the money.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
There's nobody to answer the phone because the Democrats think
that this is good for their political position, and having
the Trump having President Trump look at the camera and say, man,
this is bad. And I think people are going to
understand who's doing it. And here's the thing. All they
have to do is vote for the extension, come back
and negotiate. That's what the whole place is about.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So explain that really quick, because I think people are
trying to figure out what are they fighting against. They've
always signed this, they've always voted yes for this.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Thirteen times prior, the Democrats voted for extensions just like
this to keep negotiations going. It doesn't add money, there's
no partisanship in it, there's no nothing. It just says
we're going to pay our bills for the next fill
in the blank twenty days. Why we negotiate and the
Democrats said, nope, we're not going to pay our bills
(35:53):
because we think Republicans will get blamed. This is so,
this is the most cynical part of politics I have
seen in a very long time. And it just goes
to show you a tutor that they have walked away
from working. I don't even think they understand who working
people are anymore. No, No, that check that doesn't come
(36:13):
at the end of the month means something. It means
hardship in their family, it means sacrifice that they shouldn't
have to make. And so that's happening to people who
had nothing to do with this. And then the added
economic cost to our state, to these small businesses around
the state, it's devastating.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
And we're hearing about snap benefits getting interrupted soon. I mean,
at a certain point this, I know people are like, oh,
what do we need the government for? Well, there are
you know, public safety, transportation, You've got TSA not getting paychecks.
All of these people are just sitting there going it's
good faith work. Now we're hoping that we get paid.
That's terrible. How could you do that to any family?
(36:54):
And we're going into the holidays This is the thing
that makes me the most mad. I look at this
and I think I'm at that mode right now where
I'm doing my calculations of Okay, can I can I
get through Christmas? What are the Christmas gifts I can
get for people? Every family is doing that. That's real life.
But it's not real life for these people. They don't
care and they're getting paid no matter what. And it
just makes us out here in the country crazy. And
(37:16):
that's why I will say to people here in Michigan,
you have an opportunity to take the Senate back.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, well, think about it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
We haven't had a Republican in thirty two years, so
the Democrats have been in charge and our voice in
Michigan for thirty two years. Hey, how's that working out
for you?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And having the most people in the Senate is critical.
I know that. Right now, people go, oh, well, we
have all three branches and we're all we're in good shape.
But you have to have a even bigger majority in
the Senate.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, yeah, you need sixty votes to stop what the
Democrats are doing. And what they're doing, remember they've voted
twelve times now to say no. I don't want people
to get paid in the government. I want it closed
down because I want the political advantage, not because it's
good for And they're saying, well, this is about healthcare,
so you want you want illegals to get Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Benefits, you want them back.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, by the way, if you're able bodied, you don't
want them to work twenty hours a week. That's what
they're fighting about. And there's you know, John Kennedy, if
you want to look this up, Senator John Kennedy, Louisiana, always.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Worth a chuckle.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
He goes through and finds the craziest things that they
want to do.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
One of them, the one I remember off the top.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Of my head, is a pastry and dance classes for
male prostitutes in Haiti. What that's in the package that
they want to refund and make you pay for it?
My I mean, you start looking at these and there's
a whole bunch of yeah, even you can't make it up.
There's also they want to pay it's like half a
million bucks to a gay pride parade in Lesotho, Africa.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean, even what we're looking at. I look at
what we're looking at in New York right now, New
York City, And I'm thinking, this guy is saying that
he's running on these conservative Muslim values, but he is
promoting prostitution and he voted for it. I mean, it's
not just promoting He voted to legalize what they call
it sex work, it is prostitution and said, you know
(39:22):
what he said, the reason was because people who are
selling their bodies, people who are engaged in sex work,
they cannot get paid right now because their landlords are
afraid that they will be considered pimps and get arrested.
And I'm like, think about the mental gymnastics you have
to go through to get to the point where you
(39:42):
say you should legalize prostitution, and we know what happens.
Then you really do turn women into slaves for pimps.
And that's what he's promoting. How on earth did we
get to the point where that is something that could
happen in the United States of America?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You got me.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And it doesn't work in the rest of the world either.
And by the way, I worked human trafficking cases as
a part of my work against the Chicago organized crime
and people say, well, it's the woman's choice. It is
not always the women's choice. It is they have there
at the end of their rope, and there are absolute
predators who take advantage of these women and put them
(40:22):
into it. It is prostitution. I have a hard time calling
that sex work. It's prostitution. And by the way, there's
drugs involved. The cases we were working, they were deliberately
getting these women hooked on heroin so that they could
put them on the street and make them work it
off in their terminology. How we would tolerate this, you know,
what's why? Because maybe you don't drive through that neighborhood.
(40:44):
These are human beings as these are young tids, younger women.
They're your daughters, they may even be your mother's. There
were cases where there were moms who are so at
wits end thought maybe this is the only way I
can care for my child. That's not when you're doing that,
you're not making a choice. You're making the worst best
choice for your family. But why would we allow that
(41:07):
to be an option.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's dangerous, so and you are not you are not
making a choice. You are being forced into a dangerous situation.
So many, I mean, you know, so many of those
women end up dead, They end up with diseases, they
end up abused, and this is what we are hearing.
You are the perfect person to say that this cannot
happen to New York City because you saw it when
(41:30):
it was illegal. Imagine making it legal.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, well, what will happen is there'll be a legal
process to guarantee you this is going to happen. There'll
be a legal process, and some people will follow the
legal process, but it will unleash the illegal underground to
do whatever they want in sexual trafficking.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
And that's just the way it works.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And so you think that money is going to go away,
you think those gangsters aren't going to take that money.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Absolutely not. And the other part of this.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Is when that woman has reached where they don't think
they can make money off of that young woman, then
she's out. You don't know where to go. You know,
could be death, could be absolute overdose. I mean the possibilities.
And by the way, let's look at it this way.
Do you want to look your daughter in the eye
as a senior in high school and say, hey, sex
(42:17):
trafficking work, that's an option, right?
Speaker 2 (42:20):
No, God, no, we can't let ourselves get there.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
And that to me is why your race another reason
your race is so important is because you have a
candidate on the Democrat side who is saying I'm for
mom Donnie and all of his policies, and if that
goes to the federal government and you get enough support,
which I know sounds insane. However, I say nothing sounds
insane today after the things that I have seen coming
(42:44):
out of the progressive wing of their party. It has
gotten so out of control and it's taking control. I mean,
you can see that Bernie Sanders is still leading the
charge with all of these rallies. They have so many
people coming. The progressive wing is pushing out you. That's
why we're in this shutdown, pushing out the hockeym Jeffries
of the world, and they are taking over. I cannot
(43:07):
express enough why this Senate Senate seat is so important.
Donald Trump has endorsed you. Tell people how they can
go to your website and help you out.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, thanks Tudor and all the help that we got
out raised five to one last time that I don't
know where there.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Is Michigan for you can't happen again.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
It cannot happen again. So please go to Rogers for
Senate R O. G. E. R. S. Rogersfor Senate dot Com.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
You know, your goodwill, a small amount of money can
go a long long way. And if you're in Michigan,
we'd love to have your help.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
So you can sign up for you know, canvassing your neighborhood,
putting up yard signs, handing out literature and believe me,
those things matter and they do count. And the most
important person that the endorsement that I will get, I
mean President Trump's endorsement was phenomenal. Is is somebody in
a neighborhood walks next door and says, hey, I'm gonna
tell you why I'm voting for Mike Rogers will likely
(44:00):
get that vote. That's the most powerful endorsement you can get.
So I don't want people to think, well, I'm you know,
I'm just who am I. You're everything and your circle
of friends will pay attention to you. So go on,
Rogersfirsenate dot com. Let us not allow Mandami's policies of
socialism show up at the shores here of our great
life state.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, I think that's got to be said, because I
know in the last election it was like nineteen thousand
votes and we actually had a lot of base voters
who just didn't come out, and I think that you know,
in Michigan, we have this kind of unique situation where
we have a lot of people who are very involved
and just like you said, those people that will go
(44:42):
to their neighbor and say this is why those people
to go to their neighbor and say this is why
not they have just as much impact. I promise you
that rule of if we're aligned eighty percent of the time,
that's good is important here because you want to make
sure that we have Republican votes. The altar is what
we were just talking about, young women in danger, sex
(45:04):
trafficking going off the charts, and open border, all of
fights in the Middle East. I mean, this is the
kind of stuff that is on the line. So when
you are going out there and talking to your Republican friends,
understand the vote has got to come through.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yes, exactly, we need you to show up. You know,
it's great to talk about it. I do think of this.
You can have an impact for our state if you're
from Michigan by electing a Republican governor and a state
Senate and a state House to finally get us out
of the doldrums here in right direction and prevent nonsense
like sexual trafficking being legal. And you can have an
impact on the US Senate, maybe for the next generation
(45:42):
by sending a Republican for the first time in thirty
two years to represent working people. And my dad always
used to say, listen, you better work to send somebody
to Washington, because some Washington will send somebody after you.
And so I thought that was great advice. Let's get
busy to do this. And Tutor, thank you so much
for all that you do around the state. I've heard
(46:03):
you speak many times, always a crowd, always entertaining, and
always informative when I leave there, So thanks for the
work that you're doing around the state and thank you.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Thanks for throwing your hat in the ring once again,
Mike Rogers. We appreciate having you here on the podcast today, Tutor,
thanks so much, enjoy it absolutely and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon podcast. For this
episode and others, go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, the
iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts,
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at Tutor Dixon. Thank you so much, and have a
(46:34):
blessed Day
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