September 6, 2024 • 25 mins
Governor Kevin Stitt discusses the importance of business experience in politics and the dangers of relying on government solutions. He emphasizes the need for free enterprise and innovation to drive economic growth and solve housing issues. The conversation also touches on the negative impact of excessive regulations on small businesses and the need for permitting reform. Governor Stitt highlights the importance of matching employers with skilled workers and the need for state-based work visas. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Today, we have Governor Kevin Stit of Oklahoma with us,
which I'm very excited about because Governor, I expect you
to be able to explain all of the things that
Kamala has been telling us. They don't make any sense,
but we don't know exactly how to talk about them.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Well, Hi, Tutor, it's always good to see you and
be here on your podcast. So hopefully I can share
some of my business experience and some of my experience
as governor.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What you just said there is key, and I think
that's the major thing missing with this Democrat ticket is
that there is no business experience, so there's no understanding
of what the people on the ground are actually going through.
And I think that's funny because I watched them campaign
and they're like, Donald Trump doesn't know what's the difference
between a flathead and a Phillips head screwdriver. He's never
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swung a hammer in his life, And I'm like, wait
a minute, You've literally had a government salary your entire life.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So true. I mean, I think when you're hiring, think
about this for a second. When you're hiring for a
position and the president of the United States is a
pretty big position, and they're going to be manning in
a trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars budget. So
when you look at their resumes, it's not even comparison
you have. You know, I've met Tim Walltz, Governor Waltz
is a nice guy, but he's never worked in the
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private sector. Same thing with Kamala Harris. And then to
put them in charge, and all they've done is government employees.
All they think government's the answer to everything we know. Government,
like Ronald Reagan said, government is the problem. Get government
out of the way and let free enterprise and let
American innovation take over. And when the government tries to
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tell you what gas stove you can use and can't use,
they're the ones causing the inflation with these policies. And
the American people are too smart for it, and that's
why they're gonna lect President Trump in November.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, I think they are too smart, but they have
to be educated. I think they have to be able
to see that side of it, and nobody is. The
media is very manipulative and they're not telling you that.
And so I think the way you put it was
so powerful just there. If you've if you've literally worked
in government your whole life, of course you're going to
automatically think that I am the answer because you are government.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You've been government forever.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And that's what I think Kamala Harris is talking about
when she says, suddenly, now you know, it's like Oprah's
favorite things.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's free here, free this, free that, free housing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They're going to give away twenty five thousand dollars down
payments to anybody buying a first time home.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You have experience obviously in this world.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You're saying, gosh, this would be a disaster if all
of a sudden we have a lot more demand and
no supply.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, that's exactly exactly right. So Kamala Harris is her
economic plan to lower housing prices. So I just want
people to understand that. So her plan, if we're going
to lower housing prices or things are costing too much money,
then we want to go give every single first time
home buyer twenty five thousand dollars. Well, here's the problem
with that. When you give everybody twenty five thousand dollars
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and you say, hey, here's all this more demand for housing,
but you don't fix the supply side, it has the
complete opposite. Prices go up instead of coming down. That's
the worst thing you can do. Plus I've lived through.
I mean before I became governor, that was my business.
I was in the mortgage business, mortgage servicing, banking. That's
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the last thing that you want to do, you, I mean,
creating that much more demand. And does anybody remember the
financial crisis that happened because you artificially start driving prices
up and uh, and then when the appraisals come back
and there's a there's any kind of down market and
people can't afford those houses because they were artificially given
a given a mortgage that they shouldn't have had in
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the first place, there was no skin in the game.
Then you're gonna have a huge crash that's gonna that's
gonna hurt everybody's value. So again, the free market principles
that we grew up in and our founding fathers believed in.
It has created the greatest middle class the world has
ever seen. And for this administration and these government employees
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to say they're going to fix this issue with more government,
it's just mind boggling to people that understand economics.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, I think they're also very short sighted. I don't
think they look at the whole picture. They're like, oh,
there's a problem. We'll give people money and then they'll
be able to buy a house. But to your point,
this is that's where the problem starts. When people artificially
get this injection of cash, they don't they don't necessarily
have that kind of money to have that house. So
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then when they can't pay their mortgage payments. But I
think it goes beyond that. You have people who then
can't pay mortgage payments. In addition to you've increased inflation
because a lot more free money just went out the door,
and that hurts everybody. So they got free money to
buy a house, but now the grocery bill is way higher.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How is that helping?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, that's exactly right, very well put. And the way
you fix housing and because if there's more, if we
need more housing, more first time housing in America, Uh,
here's how you fix it. You get more lots online.
You actually get rid of the regulation that's keeping developers
from developing lots. You have a lot of municipalities that
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aren't developing smaller lot sizes. They're saying, hey, I don't
want this in my backyard. Don't want this. But if
you the entrepreneur, the business innovation, the business people will
fill that need if you get government out of the
way and stop all the regulations. I remind people all
the time that regulations help big companies, but it hurts
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the small guys, it hurts middle class. And so we
need to make sure that we allow home builders, first
time homebuilders, new lot developments to come online. And that's
how you're going to fix the supply issue. That's how
you're going to get You're going to think have things
get affordable housing in the hands of the people, not
by creating another government program to give more people more money.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I think that people mistakenly believe regulations go into
play to protect the environment, that these are regulations that
are not only protecting the environment, but protecting people, protecting wildlife,
things like that. They don't realize the amount of money
that goes into the behind the scenes of lobbying by
big corporations that shut down the smaller guy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I mean, I'll pick on the.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Family owned slaughterhouse gets shut down because suddenly they put
in a regulation and they say this isn't safe, what
was safe, but they want to take over all the business.
There are some shady things that happen in government that
we don't know about.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So well. I mean, we could give you example after
example of regulation that really the smaller operator cannot withstand.
They can't upgrade their plant, they can't upgrade their facility
to meet those new regulations. The big companies, corporations can.
They're the ones with the lobbyists. They're the ones that
have the money, whether you know, and they're the ones
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that are pushing the federal government and these different federal
agencies to put more regulation in place because that create
it's more of a barrier to entry. It actually makes
the margins go up for their industry. You get competition
out when you deregulate and you get rid of useless,
worthless regulations. That's when you actually have a true efficient
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market in the system. And so that's why we believe
that fewer regulations are going to be helpful for everyone.
It's going to be the most efficient way to run
these different industries.
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Now. Stay tuned because we've got more with Governor sit
after this. And I really do think that there is
a reason to go through and review these regulations regularly
because we have I mean, like, for example, in the
state of Michigan, we have a full time legislature. If
you have a full time legislature, they want to make laws,
they want to pass bills, and honestly, I don't know
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that we need one. I think that Texas has a
much better program where they're not passing bills all the time.
Because as you pass things, if you feel they need
to do that, you're sometimes passing things that are unnecessary
and you are hindering business.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And I would say in the state of Michigan, we've
seen that. Now.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Gretchen Whitmer came out with a similar plan to Kamala Harris.
She said, we are going to take one point five
billion dollars out of our budget and we're going to
build housing.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Who is building the housing? Like? Who owns the housing? Then?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How does this work when government instead of bringing businesses in?
Like in my lifetime, I have lived in a few
different areas where all of a sudden the area just
blew up and grew and big businesses came in and
people started building their own house. Right, they were paying
construction companies to come in. They needed the houses, then
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they owned the house. Like, why are we suddenly saying
we need housing. We don't have people that can afford housing.
We're going to build housing from the How does that work?
Does the government own the housing?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Listen? I said they exactly on faced the nation whenever
they said, yeah, Kamala Harris's plan is to build you know,
I don't know if it's two or three million more
houses in the US. And I'm like, why don't you
ask her who actually builds the houses? It's it's companies
in Oklahoma, and it's companies in Michigan, and it's companies
in Texas. It's the private sector that builds those houses. Right,
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So that's just a talking point that the left says, Oh,
we're going to build more housing. Again, companies, the private sector,
a free market system, if you deregulate, if you get
government out of the way, they're going to come fill
those needs. But right now you have so many regulations
that you can't get permits done. It takes you six
years longer than the European countries and certainly China, India,
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other countries to get makes sense permitting done. We can
build things faster and quicker if we can use our
head and it doesn't go through you know, seven different
layers of federal bureaucracy. That's really the problem. And so
in Oklahoma, I want Oklahoma to be the most business
friendly state. So what we're focusing on is, you know,
first off, we know that companies are trying to do
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the right thing. They're trying to take care of their employees,
their customers, the environment. And that's the strategy and the
philosophy that I tell all my regulatory bodies to do.
And so I sign an executive order. You'll love this, tutor,
And I told all of my state agencies in my
regulatory bodies that if you don't get a permit back
within thirty days, it's free to the to the to
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the business because isn't that great. I'm trying to motivate us.
We want to act at the speed of business, and
we want everybody to know Oklahoma is the most business
friendly state because people are leaving states like California and
they're moving to states like Oklahoma and Texas and Tennessee
and Florida because they know that we're business friendly.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I think people don't realize how big of a
deal that is. So let me just explain.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When I was campaigning, it was shocking to me the
number of people that said, look, it's not that we
can't bring businesses here, or that Michigan is not attractive
to work in. You know, people make up, oh it
snows here, we can't get businesses here. They said we
were able to go to other states. I had one
company say, we talked to Michigan. After nine months, we
still didn't have a permit. We just decided to scrap
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everything in Michigan. We went to North Carolina and we
had a permit within thirty days.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I hear those stories all the time, shovel ready sites
and so permitting is a big deal. And then also
I also remind people, even on a federal basis. You know,
as the governor's Republican governors, we're pushing the federal government
for permitting reform. We need to get rid of all
the bureaucracy. Even if you believe that wind energy is
going to be we need more wind energy, need more
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transmission lines connecting the grid together. If you believe in
in gas pipelines, you need gas pipelines. If you want hydrogen,
hydrogen moves different than natural gas, we're gonna need new pipelines.
It doesn't matter what you're doing building new roads, you
have to have permitting reform. We can't go through and
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and have things take a decade to get a simple permit.
I think most Americans scratch their head and just go,
this is just this is ridiculous. How big the bureaucracy
the federal government's gotten, all the different federal agencies that
have to go in, and then you have all the
lawsuits that come in. If you're trying to build a
build a new road, that's the kind of stuff. I
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think that that really has to be addressed, and a
Trump administration will address that. A Trump administration will get
rid of the bureaucracy. Where a Harris Waltz administration. They
believe in more government. They think that's the answer. Let's
just throw another another government agency up, and we're going
to somehow fix our housing problems. That's that's not true.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I had business people that were literally the American dream,
grew up or made created a business in their garage,
ended up building it up to be a billion dollar business,
and had hundreds of thousands of employees. So not only
did they create a business and create wealth for themselves,
but they employed hundreds of thousands of people across the country.
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And they would tell me time and time again today,
I couldn't do it today.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
The regulations are so stringent.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I would never have been able to create the product
in the first place, so I couldn't do what I'm
doing today. And that innovation, Honestly, that innovation is what
has driven us to not only be the leaders in
the world when it comes to new products and innovation
of itself, but also to be the cleanest in the world,
because you have to be able to experiment to figure
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out how to make how to manufacture in a clean way. Instead,
we have people saying, well, buy more from China. Well,
last time I checked, we're all on the same globe.
So if China is this massive polluter and we could
do it better here, why aren't we encouraging and helping
our own companies And yet we're not one thing I
want to get to because that leads me to employees.
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We are struggling in the state of Michigan. Ever since COVID,
we have struggled to get people to go back to
work in a few industries. When we look at the
healthcare industry, we are struggling to get nurses. If we
look at the agriculture industry, we're struggling to get workers.
And if we look at manufacturing, we are struggling to
get workers. And then if you look at hospitality, hotels
and restaurants, we are struggling to find people to take
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those jobs. You recently or I guess it was signed
to bill saying you wanted to be able to bring
in migrant workers for some of these jobs. You've gotten
a little bit of pushback on that. I wanted to
talk about that because I think people don't understand if
you don't have the people there, it is detrimental to
the entire society.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, well, there was some misunderstanding some people on the internet.
But first off, I'll just say we're not giving any
kind of driver's license to illegals. I supported Governor Abbott.
I sent people to the border. We have to have
a secure border, that's first and foremost, and people Harris
needs to own that because her administration was cutting Razor wire,
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creating more access to the US, and we were sending
our troops down there to really just follow the law.
So that's what we've done in Oklahoma. What we're talking
about here is the Biden Harris administration has jacked up
immigration workforce permits right, just totally jacked them up. It
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takes ten years for someone to get a work visa
to come match up with an employer in Michigan or
Oklahoma or Texas. And that's what I think the states
are going to have to fix this. The federal government's
not going to fix it. So basically, what I was
trying to do is if we at the University of
Oklahoma will if we've got a education visa for somebody
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from India or Pakistan or France, and we trained it
with be an engineer. Then they have to go back,
and Boweling wants to hire them there in Oklahoma City
to support what they're doing in Oklahoma City. I want
to match those employer employee relationships up. And the federal
government it takes them ten years to do anything. We
just talk about the bureaucracy. So I think we should
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have state based work visas to match employers with the employee.
Our unemployment right now in Oklahoma is super low. Everybody
that wants a job has a job. Our labor participations up,
and yet I still have more companies moving to my state.
So I'm trying to match up that doctor from I've
got a great relationship with Pakistani doctors that do their
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residency here. They would like to stay here and rule Oklahoma,
but they have to be go back because they can't
get a visa. And so those are the things we're
talking about. Is how can I help my companies in
Oklahoma match up with the employees that they need to
create more jobs and more revenue for my state. Really
is what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So in Michigan, we have a similar situation where we
wanted to bring in workers that we felt were skilled
workers from Eastern Europe, and I was in the steel industry.
My dad had a steel foundry, and so this is
something my dad was looking at.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Okay, these guys are experts.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We don't have anybody that understands pouring metal and finishing metal.
We could bring these guys in and train our people,
and we would be able to continue this industry that's
so critical to all of our whether it's egg, whether
it's mining, whether it's military, a critical industry. But because
they didn't have a degree, the federal government said, no,
you can't give them a work visus. So I find
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it interesting the idea of bringing it to the States
because I think the States really understand what we need.
And also healthcare is another situation where we don't have
nursing staff. We used to be overflowing with nursing staff,
but I think people really got scared off after COVID.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean that's a great point. You know, we're
trying to reshure. We're trying to bring in critical minerals
and mining and processing and mineral to magnet manufacturing and
things that go into our cell phones and our fighters,
but we've lost a lot of that workforce and that expertise.
Sometimes we have to get that expertise from some of
our allies around the world from the engineering front. And
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that's the thing that just makes no sense at all.
I explained, I'm a big football fan. Maybe some of
your listeners are. We're like the NFL and we've got
the number one draft pick. Everybody wants to come to America,
and we're not utilizing that. We should get the best
and brightest, you know, to help us with our industries
and our technology. And if you want to chase the
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American dream and you want to pay taxes, and you
want to be involved with our values, and you believe
like we do, that America is the land of the opportunity,
and then why wouldn't we match that with our employers
and allow allow that success to come. And you made
a great point. It's it's these new businesses and startups
in the middle class and these new industries that create jobs.
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The government doesn't create jobs. Private sectors creates jobs. And
we need to remind our federal government that occasionally that
you know, government would not exist without the private sector.
You are here to make businesses flow and make things
better for everyone. Because when businesses are thriving, all boats rise.
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It helps education, infrastructure, healthcare, everybody when we can get
our economy booming. And so that's why the thom is
on as governor.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And border security.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I mean, that's something I keep hearing the other side say,
these people have to come in because they're doing the
jobs nobody else, no American wants to do well. Even
if there are jobs that we don't have Americans to fill,
wouldn't it be better to have visas to make sure
these people were living legally? I mean, I remember we
had a guy who had worked at the shop before
we owned it, and we had no idea that he
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was illegal. Came in, took him, took him away from
his family, took him away from his kids, and there's nothing,
there's nothing you could do as an employer. Why not
give them the opportunity if they want to come here
and be Americans? And he wanted to be an American.
If you want to be an American, come here, be
an American and work. But why aren't we talking about
how to make that happen? To me?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
That is incredibly frustrating.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But before I let you go, I want to really
quickly touch on school safety.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We have had this disaster in Georgia. I can't. It
makes me.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's hard to talk about as a parent because I
think it's every parent's worst nightmares another one of these
school shootings.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You've worked extensively on school safety.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I applaud you for that because we can't get anybody
in this state to pay attention to it. Talk a
little bit about what you've done and how you see
this going forward.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Our hearts are just broken when we see this happen.
I texted with Governor Camp yesterday and just setting told
him that ope, the Homans are praying for him, and
just I mean, there's nothing worse as a governor. I mean,
those are the things that I just you know, you know,
pray and try to do everything I can with our
team to make sure that our schools are safe here
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in Oklahoma. So a couple of things that we've done,
obviously the panic buttons and all the things that we've
technology wise mandated all of our teachers have and so
we got rid of all the all the layers of
bureaucracy that I'll go to, all law enforcement everywhere on
the state, county, local, statewide. But also we have put
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one hundred and fifty million dollars into school resource officers
to make sure every school does what they need. I've
been I've you know, mandated that every single law enforcement
around the state does active shooter type situation whatever's happening
in the state. And then, you know, so we're doing
everything we can and then you know, just educating that
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next generation and educating the kids how to be safe.
We also, from a technology standpoint, we share data from
all of our law enforcement from our schools, and so
we monitor all the internet traffic because every time you
hear this happening, well there was a red flag a
year ago, or somebody knew this or that, and so
we've really tried to set up and we've done a
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great job of sharing data. So I can't give away
all of our secrets, but we're monitoring all that around
the state right now and that seems to be working
well too.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I mean, I really feel like the things that we
talked about today are some of the most critical issues
facing Americans. And people always ask me, well, what do
parents really want to hear? And I say the same
thing every time. I want to know my kids are safe.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
At the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Their lives are absolutely the most important thing to me
as a mom, all of the other stuff that goes
on in politics, I'm like, keep my kids safe, and
looking at what happened in Georgia, I just think it
has to be a conversation every day. How do we
know our schools are safe? How do we know our
schools are safe? What's happening in our schools? And everybody
can complain, well this or that we can never do that, No,
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get together, start talking about I love that you've been
able to do this. I love that you consistently talk
about it and that you're there for parents and honestly,
the resource officer from what we're hearing so far on
the ground in Georgia, the resource officer being there was
what stopped this boy with the weapon. Sadly we still
lost lives, so not good enough yet, but it did
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stop anything further from happening. And I applaud you for
what you've done on this, and I just our prayers
and our hearts are with those families. I can't imagine it.
We will continue fighting to make sure it doesn't happen again.
But thank you so much for what you've done.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Absolutely, thank thanks tutor. This is a great conversation and
thanks for sharing this with the American people. Keep talking policy.
If we talk policy, we're going to win this election
because Americans know that the Republican policy on economics, it's
going to low inflation, is going to cost, it's going
to make everything cheaper at the grocery store. We're gonna
have border security, we're stronger on the defense side, and
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people need to understand that. And I think when they
really think about it, we need a Republican back in
the White House.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, it'll put you in charge and the government will
serve you the way it's supposed to be. Thank you,
Thank you for being a great servant Governor stt. I
appreciate having you on. Thanks Tutor, and thank you all
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Speaker 1 (25:35):
Have a blessing.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Today, we have Governor Kevin Stit of Oklahoma with us,
which I'm very excited about because Governor, I expect you
to be able to explain all of the things that
Kamala has been telling us. They don't make any sense,
but we don't know exactly how to talk about them.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Well, Hi, Tutor, it's always good to see you and
be here on your podcast. So hopefully I can share
some of my business experience and some of my experience
as governor.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What you just said there is key, and I think
that's the major thing missing with this Democrat ticket is
that there is no business experience, so there's no understanding
of what the people on the ground are actually going through.
And I think that's funny because I watched them campaign
and they're like, Donald Trump doesn't know what's the difference
between a flathead and a Phillips head screwdriver. He's never
(00:45):
swung a hammer in his life, And I'm like, wait
a minute, You've literally had a government salary your entire life.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So true. I mean, I think when you're hiring, think
about this for a second. When you're hiring for a
position and the president of the United States is a
pretty big position, and they're going to be manning in
a trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars budget. So
when you look at their resumes, it's not even comparison
you have. You know, I've met Tim Walltz, Governor Waltz
is a nice guy, but he's never worked in the
(01:11):
private sector. Same thing with Kamala Harris. And then to
put them in charge, and all they've done is government employees.
All they think government's the answer to everything we know. Government,
like Ronald Reagan said, government is the problem. Get government
out of the way and let free enterprise and let
American innovation take over. And when the government tries to
(01:33):
tell you what gas stove you can use and can't use,
they're the ones causing the inflation with these policies. And
the American people are too smart for it, and that's
why they're gonna lect President Trump in November.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, I think they are too smart, but they have
to be educated. I think they have to be able
to see that side of it, and nobody is. The
media is very manipulative and they're not telling you that.
And so I think the way you put it was
so powerful just there. If you've if you've literally worked
in government your whole life, of course you're going to
automatically think that I am the answer because you are government.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You've been government forever.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And that's what I think Kamala Harris is talking about
when she says, suddenly, now you know, it's like Oprah's
favorite things.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's free here, free this, free that, free housing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They're going to give away twenty five thousand dollars down
payments to anybody buying a first time home.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You have experience obviously in this world.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You're saying, gosh, this would be a disaster if all
of a sudden we have a lot more demand and
no supply.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, that's exactly exactly right. So Kamala Harris is her
economic plan to lower housing prices. So I just want
people to understand that. So her plan, if we're going
to lower housing prices or things are costing too much money,
then we want to go give every single first time
home buyer twenty five thousand dollars. Well, here's the problem
with that. When you give everybody twenty five thousand dollars
(02:57):
and you say, hey, here's all this more demand for housing,
but you don't fix the supply side, it has the
complete opposite. Prices go up instead of coming down. That's
the worst thing you can do. Plus I've lived through.
I mean before I became governor, that was my business.
I was in the mortgage business, mortgage servicing, banking. That's
(03:19):
the last thing that you want to do, you, I mean,
creating that much more demand. And does anybody remember the
financial crisis that happened because you artificially start driving prices
up and uh, and then when the appraisals come back
and there's a there's any kind of down market and
people can't afford those houses because they were artificially given
a given a mortgage that they shouldn't have had in
(03:41):
the first place, there was no skin in the game.
Then you're gonna have a huge crash that's gonna that's
gonna hurt everybody's value. So again, the free market principles
that we grew up in and our founding fathers believed in.
It has created the greatest middle class the world has
ever seen. And for this administration and these government employees
(04:01):
to say they're going to fix this issue with more government,
it's just mind boggling to people that understand economics.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, I think they're also very short sighted. I don't
think they look at the whole picture. They're like, oh,
there's a problem. We'll give people money and then they'll
be able to buy a house. But to your point,
this is that's where the problem starts. When people artificially
get this injection of cash, they don't they don't necessarily
have that kind of money to have that house. So
(04:29):
then when they can't pay their mortgage payments. But I
think it goes beyond that. You have people who then
can't pay mortgage payments. In addition to you've increased inflation
because a lot more free money just went out the door,
and that hurts everybody. So they got free money to
buy a house, but now the grocery bill is way higher.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How is that helping?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, that's exactly right, very well put. And the way
you fix housing and because if there's more, if we
need more housing, more first time housing in America, Uh,
here's how you fix it. You get more lots online.
You actually get rid of the regulation that's keeping developers
from developing lots. You have a lot of municipalities that
(05:11):
aren't developing smaller lot sizes. They're saying, hey, I don't
want this in my backyard. Don't want this. But if
you the entrepreneur, the business innovation, the business people will
fill that need if you get government out of the
way and stop all the regulations. I remind people all
the time that regulations help big companies, but it hurts
(05:32):
the small guys, it hurts middle class. And so we
need to make sure that we allow home builders, first
time homebuilders, new lot developments to come online. And that's
how you're going to fix the supply issue. That's how
you're going to get You're going to think have things
get affordable housing in the hands of the people, not
by creating another government program to give more people more money.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I think that people mistakenly believe regulations go into
play to protect the environment, that these are regulations that
are not only protecting the environment, but protecting people, protecting wildlife,
things like that. They don't realize the amount of money
that goes into the behind the scenes of lobbying by
big corporations that shut down the smaller guy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I mean, I'll pick on the.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Family owned slaughterhouse gets shut down because suddenly they put
in a regulation and they say this isn't safe, what
was safe, but they want to take over all the business.
There are some shady things that happen in government that
we don't know about.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So well. I mean, we could give you example after
example of regulation that really the smaller operator cannot withstand.
They can't upgrade their plant, they can't upgrade their facility
to meet those new regulations. The big companies, corporations can.
They're the ones with the lobbyists. They're the ones that
have the money, whether you know, and they're the ones
(06:53):
that are pushing the federal government and these different federal
agencies to put more regulation in place because that create
it's more of a barrier to entry. It actually makes
the margins go up for their industry. You get competition
out when you deregulate and you get rid of useless,
worthless regulations. That's when you actually have a true efficient
(07:13):
market in the system. And so that's why we believe
that fewer regulations are going to be helpful for everyone.
It's going to be the most efficient way to run
these different industries.
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Now. Stay tuned because we've got more with Governor sit
after this. And I really do think that there is
a reason to go through and review these regulations regularly
because we have I mean, like, for example, in the
state of Michigan, we have a full time legislature. If
you have a full time legislature, they want to make laws,
they want to pass bills, and honestly, I don't know
(09:13):
that we need one. I think that Texas has a
much better program where they're not passing bills all the time.
Because as you pass things, if you feel they need
to do that, you're sometimes passing things that are unnecessary
and you are hindering business.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And I would say in the state of Michigan, we've
seen that. Now.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Gretchen Whitmer came out with a similar plan to Kamala Harris.
She said, we are going to take one point five
billion dollars out of our budget and we're going to
build housing.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Who is building the housing? Like? Who owns the housing? Then?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
How does this work when government instead of bringing businesses in?
Like in my lifetime, I have lived in a few
different areas where all of a sudden the area just
blew up and grew and big businesses came in and
people started building their own house. Right, they were paying
construction companies to come in. They needed the houses, then
(10:05):
they owned the house. Like, why are we suddenly saying
we need housing. We don't have people that can afford housing.
We're going to build housing from the How does that work?
Does the government own the housing?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Listen? I said they exactly on faced the nation whenever
they said, yeah, Kamala Harris's plan is to build you know,
I don't know if it's two or three million more
houses in the US. And I'm like, why don't you
ask her who actually builds the houses? It's it's companies
in Oklahoma, and it's companies in Michigan, and it's companies
in Texas. It's the private sector that builds those houses. Right,
(10:38):
So that's just a talking point that the left says, Oh,
we're going to build more housing. Again, companies, the private sector,
a free market system, if you deregulate, if you get
government out of the way, they're going to come fill
those needs. But right now you have so many regulations
that you can't get permits done. It takes you six
years longer than the European countries and certainly China, India,
(11:03):
other countries to get makes sense permitting done. We can
build things faster and quicker if we can use our
head and it doesn't go through you know, seven different
layers of federal bureaucracy. That's really the problem. And so
in Oklahoma, I want Oklahoma to be the most business
friendly state. So what we're focusing on is, you know,
first off, we know that companies are trying to do
(11:25):
the right thing. They're trying to take care of their employees,
their customers, the environment. And that's the strategy and the
philosophy that I tell all my regulatory bodies to do.
And so I sign an executive order. You'll love this, tutor,
And I told all of my state agencies in my
regulatory bodies that if you don't get a permit back
within thirty days, it's free to the to the to
(11:47):
the business because isn't that great. I'm trying to motivate us.
We want to act at the speed of business, and
we want everybody to know Oklahoma is the most business
friendly state because people are leaving states like California and
they're moving to states like Oklahoma and Texas and Tennessee
and Florida because they know that we're business friendly.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I think people don't realize how big of a
deal that is. So let me just explain.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When I was campaigning, it was shocking to me the
number of people that said, look, it's not that we
can't bring businesses here, or that Michigan is not attractive
to work in. You know, people make up, oh it
snows here, we can't get businesses here. They said we
were able to go to other states. I had one
company say, we talked to Michigan. After nine months, we
still didn't have a permit. We just decided to scrap
(12:33):
everything in Michigan. We went to North Carolina and we
had a permit within thirty days.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I hear those stories all the time, shovel ready sites
and so permitting is a big deal. And then also
I also remind people, even on a federal basis. You know,
as the governor's Republican governors, we're pushing the federal government
for permitting reform. We need to get rid of all
the bureaucracy. Even if you believe that wind energy is
going to be we need more wind energy, need more
(13:00):
transmission lines connecting the grid together. If you believe in
in gas pipelines, you need gas pipelines. If you want hydrogen,
hydrogen moves different than natural gas, we're gonna need new pipelines.
It doesn't matter what you're doing building new roads, you
have to have permitting reform. We can't go through and
(13:20):
and have things take a decade to get a simple permit.
I think most Americans scratch their head and just go,
this is just this is ridiculous. How big the bureaucracy
the federal government's gotten, all the different federal agencies that
have to go in, and then you have all the
lawsuits that come in. If you're trying to build a
build a new road, that's the kind of stuff. I
(13:41):
think that that really has to be addressed, and a
Trump administration will address that. A Trump administration will get
rid of the bureaucracy. Where a Harris Waltz administration. They
believe in more government. They think that's the answer. Let's
just throw another another government agency up, and we're going
to somehow fix our housing problems. That's that's not true.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I had business people that were literally the American dream,
grew up or made created a business in their garage,
ended up building it up to be a billion dollar business,
and had hundreds of thousands of employees. So not only
did they create a business and create wealth for themselves,
but they employed hundreds of thousands of people across the country.
(14:29):
And they would tell me time and time again today,
I couldn't do it today.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
The regulations are so stringent.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I would never have been able to create the product
in the first place, so I couldn't do what I'm
doing today. And that innovation, Honestly, that innovation is what
has driven us to not only be the leaders in
the world when it comes to new products and innovation
of itself, but also to be the cleanest in the world,
because you have to be able to experiment to figure
(14:57):
out how to make how to manufacture in a clean way. Instead,
we have people saying, well, buy more from China. Well,
last time I checked, we're all on the same globe.
So if China is this massive polluter and we could
do it better here, why aren't we encouraging and helping
our own companies And yet we're not one thing I
want to get to because that leads me to employees.
(15:19):
We are struggling in the state of Michigan. Ever since COVID,
we have struggled to get people to go back to
work in a few industries. When we look at the
healthcare industry, we are struggling to get nurses. If we
look at the agriculture industry, we're struggling to get workers.
And if we look at manufacturing, we are struggling to
get workers. And then if you look at hospitality, hotels
and restaurants, we are struggling to find people to take
(15:41):
those jobs. You recently or I guess it was signed
to bill saying you wanted to be able to bring
in migrant workers for some of these jobs. You've gotten
a little bit of pushback on that. I wanted to
talk about that because I think people don't understand if
you don't have the people there, it is detrimental to
the entire society.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, well, there was some misunderstanding some people on the internet.
But first off, I'll just say we're not giving any
kind of driver's license to illegals. I supported Governor Abbott.
I sent people to the border. We have to have
a secure border, that's first and foremost, and people Harris
needs to own that because her administration was cutting Razor wire,
(16:23):
creating more access to the US, and we were sending
our troops down there to really just follow the law.
So that's what we've done in Oklahoma. What we're talking
about here is the Biden Harris administration has jacked up
immigration workforce permits right, just totally jacked them up. It
(16:44):
takes ten years for someone to get a work visa
to come match up with an employer in Michigan or
Oklahoma or Texas. And that's what I think the states
are going to have to fix this. The federal government's
not going to fix it. So basically, what I was
trying to do is if we at the University of
Oklahoma will if we've got a education visa for somebody
(17:06):
from India or Pakistan or France, and we trained it
with be an engineer. Then they have to go back,
and Boweling wants to hire them there in Oklahoma City
to support what they're doing in Oklahoma City. I want
to match those employer employee relationships up. And the federal
government it takes them ten years to do anything. We
just talk about the bureaucracy. So I think we should
(17:27):
have state based work visas to match employers with the employee.
Our unemployment right now in Oklahoma is super low. Everybody
that wants a job has a job. Our labor participations up,
and yet I still have more companies moving to my state.
So I'm trying to match up that doctor from I've
got a great relationship with Pakistani doctors that do their
(17:49):
residency here. They would like to stay here and rule Oklahoma,
but they have to be go back because they can't
get a visa. And so those are the things we're
talking about. Is how can I help my companies in
Oklahoma match up with the employees that they need to
create more jobs and more revenue for my state. Really
is what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So in Michigan, we have a similar situation where we
wanted to bring in workers that we felt were skilled
workers from Eastern Europe, and I was in the steel industry.
My dad had a steel foundry, and so this is
something my dad was looking at.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Okay, these guys are experts.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We don't have anybody that understands pouring metal and finishing metal.
We could bring these guys in and train our people,
and we would be able to continue this industry that's
so critical to all of our whether it's egg, whether
it's mining, whether it's military, a critical industry. But because
they didn't have a degree, the federal government said, no,
you can't give them a work visus. So I find
(18:43):
it interesting the idea of bringing it to the States
because I think the States really understand what we need.
And also healthcare is another situation where we don't have
nursing staff. We used to be overflowing with nursing staff,
but I think people really got scared off after COVID.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean that's a great point. You know, we're
trying to reshure. We're trying to bring in critical minerals
and mining and processing and mineral to magnet manufacturing and
things that go into our cell phones and our fighters,
but we've lost a lot of that workforce and that expertise.
Sometimes we have to get that expertise from some of
our allies around the world from the engineering front. And
(19:26):
that's the thing that just makes no sense at all.
I explained, I'm a big football fan. Maybe some of
your listeners are. We're like the NFL and we've got
the number one draft pick. Everybody wants to come to America,
and we're not utilizing that. We should get the best
and brightest, you know, to help us with our industries
and our technology. And if you want to chase the
(19:48):
American dream and you want to pay taxes, and you
want to be involved with our values, and you believe
like we do, that America is the land of the opportunity,
and then why wouldn't we match that with our employers
and allow allow that success to come. And you made
a great point. It's it's these new businesses and startups
in the middle class and these new industries that create jobs.
(20:12):
The government doesn't create jobs. Private sectors creates jobs. And
we need to remind our federal government that occasionally that
you know, government would not exist without the private sector.
You are here to make businesses flow and make things
better for everyone. Because when businesses are thriving, all boats rise.
(20:35):
It helps education, infrastructure, healthcare, everybody when we can get
our economy booming. And so that's why the thom is
on as governor.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And border security.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I mean, that's something I keep hearing the other side say,
these people have to come in because they're doing the
jobs nobody else, no American wants to do well. Even
if there are jobs that we don't have Americans to fill,
wouldn't it be better to have visas to make sure
these people were living legally? I mean, I remember we
had a guy who had worked at the shop before
we owned it, and we had no idea that he
(21:05):
was illegal. Came in, took him, took him away from
his family, took him away from his kids, and there's nothing,
there's nothing you could do as an employer. Why not
give them the opportunity if they want to come here
and be Americans? And he wanted to be an American.
If you want to be an American, come here, be
an American and work. But why aren't we talking about
how to make that happen? To me?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
That is incredibly frustrating.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But before I let you go, I want to really
quickly touch on school safety.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We have had this disaster in Georgia. I can't. It
makes me.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's hard to talk about as a parent because I
think it's every parent's worst nightmares another one of these
school shootings.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You've worked extensively on school safety.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I applaud you for that because we can't get anybody
in this state to pay attention to it. Talk a
little bit about what you've done and how you see
this going forward.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Our hearts are just broken when we see this happen.
I texted with Governor Camp yesterday and just setting told
him that ope, the Homans are praying for him, and
just I mean, there's nothing worse as a governor. I mean,
those are the things that I just you know, you know,
pray and try to do everything I can with our
team to make sure that our schools are safe here
(22:14):
in Oklahoma. So a couple of things that we've done,
obviously the panic buttons and all the things that we've
technology wise mandated all of our teachers have and so
we got rid of all the all the layers of
bureaucracy that I'll go to, all law enforcement everywhere on
the state, county, local, statewide. But also we have put
(22:34):
one hundred and fifty million dollars into school resource officers
to make sure every school does what they need. I've
been I've you know, mandated that every single law enforcement
around the state does active shooter type situation whatever's happening
in the state. And then, you know, so we're doing
everything we can and then you know, just educating that
(22:57):
next generation and educating the kids how to be safe.
We also, from a technology standpoint, we share data from
all of our law enforcement from our schools, and so
we monitor all the internet traffic because every time you
hear this happening, well there was a red flag a
year ago, or somebody knew this or that, and so
we've really tried to set up and we've done a
(23:19):
great job of sharing data. So I can't give away
all of our secrets, but we're monitoring all that around
the state right now and that seems to be working
well too.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I mean, I really feel like the things that we
talked about today are some of the most critical issues
facing Americans. And people always ask me, well, what do
parents really want to hear? And I say the same
thing every time. I want to know my kids are safe.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
At the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Their lives are absolutely the most important thing to me
as a mom, all of the other stuff that goes
on in politics, I'm like, keep my kids safe, and
looking at what happened in Georgia, I just think it
has to be a conversation every day. How do we
know our schools are safe? How do we know our
schools are safe? What's happening in our schools? And everybody
can complain, well this or that we can never do that, No,
(24:08):
get together, start talking about I love that you've been
able to do this. I love that you consistently talk
about it and that you're there for parents and honestly,
the resource officer from what we're hearing so far on
the ground in Georgia, the resource officer being there was
what stopped this boy with the weapon. Sadly we still
lost lives, so not good enough yet, but it did
(24:30):
stop anything further from happening. And I applaud you for
what you've done on this, and I just our prayers
and our hearts are with those families. I can't imagine it.
We will continue fighting to make sure it doesn't happen again.
But thank you so much for what you've done.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Absolutely, thank thanks tutor. This is a great conversation and
thanks for sharing this with the American people. Keep talking policy.
If we talk policy, we're going to win this election
because Americans know that the Republican policy on economics, it's
going to low inflation, is going to cost, it's going
to make everything cheaper at the grocery store. We're gonna
have border security, we're stronger on the defense side, and
(25:08):
people need to understand that. And I think when they
really think about it, we need a Republican back in
the White House.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, it'll put you in charge and the government will
serve you the way it's supposed to be. Thank you,
Thank you for being a great servant Governor stt. I
appreciate having you on. Thanks Tutor, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this
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