August 11, 2025 • 22 mins
On this episode, Tudor interviews Bevelyn Williams, a pro-life advocate who was arrested for protesting at an abortion clinic and later pardoned by President Trump. Bevelyn shares her personal journey from having multiple abortions to becoming a passionate voice for life, highlighting the trauma of abortion and its disproportionate impact on minority communities. The discussion exposes the cultural and legal challenges faced by pro-life activists and promotes Bevelyn's upcoming film, "Pardon Me: The Bevelyn B. Williams Story," which aims to inspire hope, resilience, and a renewed commitment to protecting life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We have a treat for you today because you have
all seen this kind of faith and culture battleground going
on in our country right now. And I'm sure a
lot of you have heard the story of Bevelyn B.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Williams. She is the woman who was arrested for protesting.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
At one of the abortion clinics, and we get to
have her on today so that we can hear her story.
She was actually put in jail by the Biden Harris
administration and pardoned. And you have a new movie, and
there's just all this great stuff going on, which is
a testimony to Christ and his leading.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So tell us your story, and thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi, thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
For having me, and thank you for giving me an
opportunity to just share. I mean, it's a surreal story and.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I just I thank God that I made it through that.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It was probably one of the most traumatic things I've
ever experienced in my life, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And if I go a one time, I do it again.
So I start from the super duper.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Beginning, but I can at least say I could start
from like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, let's talk about really quick.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I wanted to have you on today because you do
have a film coming out about it, and that is
extremely exciting. It's called Pardon Me, The Bevelyn B. Williams Story,
So that's going to be coming out on August fifteenth,
and I just want to say that as I was
preparing for this podcast and reading your story, I was
excited because I think that this is the behind the
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scenes story of your life. Is the story that people
don't know. You know, they see the images on TV.
They see the story of Okay, you know, you're going
into to jail, you have a little girl, you have
a husband that's waiting outside. But the journey that got
you there, to me, the journey of faith and how
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God worked in your life, is so incredibly powerful. Is
something that I think young people need to hear. Because
when you were talking, I know you had that long
testimony that you have on the website out there, but
when you were talking about what you thought growing up,
that was the most impactful part to me because you
said you had a life that was very challenging and
(02:15):
then you were told by your dad that guys only
want one thing, and it shaped sort of how you
saw the world and then God turned that around.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That to me is amazing. So tell us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Right, So you want to go all the way back
to when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I mean I kind of think that without hearing how
you have gone.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Through this yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I mean, you've had abortions, and that to me is
incredibly powerful because I think so I've talked to so
many women who have had an abortion and felt like
I don't have value. Now look at what that has
done in your life to create a warrior.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Right, Okay, I love that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Actually, I think that's amazing because, well, what I say
is this, in twenty nineteen, when Governor Culum Will had
legalized abortion, that's when I really decided to and I'm
saying this for a reason, that's when I really decided,
you know, it's an issue and I need to address it.
But a lot of the circle backs of my childhood
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happened from me being obedient to that moment.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And what I.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Can say is my first abortion was when I was fifteen. Okay,
my dad at the time, I think he was trying
to protect me. I don't think he understood the fullness
of what it means to get an abortion and I
don't think I was or he was prepared for the depression.
And just like the turmoil that comes with making such
a big decision like that to remove a kid out
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of your but when you do something like that, there
is trauma that comes behind it. No matter how much
the law wants to make it normal, it's not normal
because it's traumatic. So now while I'm in front of
the abortion clinics and I'm preaching, and I got all
this raw raw and me, I remember getting a flashback
of the day I had my first abortion, and I
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remember those people were in front of that clinic. I
didn't understand why they were there. They seemed angry, and
I was told to look down and not look at them.
And fast forward here I am in twenty nineteen doing
the exact same thing they were doing. But the heart was,
(04:30):
oh my god, I'm a witness, like God was there
for me even when I was lost and I didn't
know what I was doing, and I was just so
oblivious to all the different facets of demonic forces around
just that I'm just falling into because I wasn't protected.
I can say I know what it's like to be
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a child that's not protected. And I have a three
year old, so I am such a guardian over her
and me and my husband both because he has felt
like he wasn't protected as well. You want to guard.
You want to be a guard to a child's spiritual journey.
You want to be a guard to their personality. You
want to be a guard to everything that God has
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has for them, because if you don't, you're left vulnerable,
You're left feeling insignificant. You might end up having sex
at an early age because you don't feel that connection
with your father, or you may become a doormat because
of the abuse or mental abuse you get from your
mother or the manipulation. So if those things aren't protected,
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you're gonna end up at an abortion clinic. That's just
the reality, you know. And so I lived it, and
now here I am being delivered, saved and now doing it,
and I'm realizing, wow, oh my gosh, if someone like
me could be in that position, that gives really, honestly
no excuse to any other woman in this world.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
You could end up growing up like a statistic like
me having three abortions, not one, not two, three.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
But still at some point my eyes being opened and
willing to just be a voice because I've been.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
There and I think that is a very key point
that you just made. Let's take a quick commercial break.
We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. When we
talk about abortion in this country, when conservatives are people
of faith talk about abortions, we have said, you have
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to understand this is not just the terrible statistic. These
are women who are convinced to have abortion after abortion
after abortion, and these clinics are making a massive amount
of money off of the fact that you have a
young woman who has three abortions. Your story is not unusual.
That's the I think that's the tragedy here. And you
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knew that, you knew that that you realize this is
a sad situation, and somebody guided you through that, and
here you are. God uses people, he says, this is
this tragedy will not go unseen and unchanged. You are
now the person speaking your testimony into other people's lives
to change that right.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Right, you know, I will say this, I never got
so caught up in the things that I was doing
wrong that I thought that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They were right.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like, I'm a very real person, okay, and number one
for me is being real with self the biggest thing
in the world. If you don't know how to be
real with self, you're going to have a hard time
in life because if you can't come to a conclusion
with yourself about certain things you're doing, the world is
unfortunately going to come to a conclusion for you.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And that's the last thing you want, right.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So that was kind of the warning you got, was like,
you're gonna end up dead if you keep a living this.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Right, right.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
But it was easy for me to receive because I
never thought abortion was okay.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I never thought okay because it's legal, it's okay, and
it's normal.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So even in my sin, you know what I'm saying,
If I'm out with my friends and we drinking and
we smoking, and I'm having sex with men that I
am not married to, I'm clearly.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Not walking a Christian walk. I'm clearly not walking a
holy walk.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So I never and my mom was like, oh, well,
it's legal, so I'm doing what's the right thing.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
No, I was aware that I was living wrong.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So when that woman came to me and said to me,
if you don't change, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Die, I knew where I was going.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I knew that if I died in this state that
I am, she didn't have to tell me.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I knew I was going to hell. I knew that.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So it was so easy for me to say, you
know what, let me go ahead, straighten up, because I
know I'm wrong. She's telling me, she's confirming what's already known.
I believe we live in a society today where, because
of social media and because of the way people talk
and people like to talk in circles rather than just
get straight to the point, everything seems to be these circles.
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Nothing's never just black and white no more, everything's gray.
Because of that gray, there's no longer platform.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
To just be real. Yes, you're young, you want to live,
you want to have fun, but the reality is it's wrong.
It's wrong, right. And so that's what.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Has really pivoted my faith, and it's pivoted me to
be the woman that I am today because I never
allowed the enemy to get me so deceived that I'm
just now living a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So you changed your life kind of like it was
like a one eighty from where you were because you
were on that path of partying and having sex with
multiple different men and had you had three abortions in
that time frame. And I think what you said about
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the effect of the abortion is probably the most powerful testimony,
because I don't think a lot of people are willing
to say some have some people have come out and said, boy,
this really emotionally damaged me.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And that's the thing in this world. You talk about
the black and white and the gray area.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, the gray area, I mean, I think a lot
of times people are too black and white. It's either
abortion is good, abortion is bad, and the gray area
is that's that place where you say, you know what,
I had an abortion and there was a lot of
pain that came along with it. And it's not a
welcome comment to I mean, the left certainly is not
(10:26):
going to allow you to come out and say there
was pain that came.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Along with that, and it is.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It is something that I think that we have to
face the reality that this is happening in minority communities
at higher rates than it's happening in other communities, and
that means that that pain is traveling through communities and
going unnoticed and going un uncounseled, and that to me
(10:53):
is a devastating situation, right.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, I'll look at it like this.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
When it comes to the black community and even other
minority communities, the chunk of abortions that we take up
is not normal.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But a lot of times I find we're looking at
abortion and I mean, listen, I'm the one who stood
off fron abortion clinic. Right, we look at abortion as
an issue. But for me, it's like why. And that's
the part I'm getting to. People knew me as this
person standing in front of an abortion clinic.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But now, how did I get there? Why was I
there three times?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
What's the there's a bridge that landed me to this place?
And it's like this unspoken thing we're not talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Lay You're so right, But that's that's what we always do.
We focus on one part of We focus on the after.
How did you get there?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Right? Right? So now let's talk about the music.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Okay, let's talk about the women nowadays. I and this
is just from personal experience. I know women in my
culture and I'm sure it's in other cultures too, but
i'mnna speak specifically online.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They do not know how to be beautiful. All they
know is sex, a pill, everything about your powerful state
sex and if it's not sex is violence. Right, Once
upon a time, and Charleston White said this. People think
he's crazy, and I think he's a trip. But sometimes he.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Dropped jewels that be like, you know what, I gotta
I gotta take that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
He said, you know, there was a.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Time where women were beautiful when it came outside. Even
if you were a bunch of men thugs, you straightened
up real quick. You see, you see a lady, you
would treat a woman like a lady. It's as if
that culture is gone. Now I'm on social media. I
watch women and men fighting like cats and dogs in
the streets and women are outside butts hanging out, boobs
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out in a dude's face like it's like it's chaos
to the point that the Femen and the lady that
God called women to.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Be you don't see it like that. And then the
other extreme.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Is you're so religious you walk around with a plastic
bag on because you're holy, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
What I'm saying. So it's like that there's no clarity there.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So now sex a pillas, what's more important? Right? And
hip hop?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It's all about sex. It's all about these things that
I said it to my cousin. I was talking to him,
and I was like, he was like, you know, sometimes
women want to do it just like men. I said, well,
let me explain something to you. Women are very insecure.
Women will shape themselves to appease what they feel is
pleasing to a man when they don't have a man
to tell them who they are, when they don't have
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a father to teach them who they are. Right, So,
if I don't have a daddy in the house and
I don't even know how to communicate with the man
outside of sexual encounters, right, how.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Am I going to know?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
If I hear a hip hop song and he said,
you know, she let me hear it on the first night,
it was firing. He's bragging about it, like good thing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
This young girl's gonna listen to this music and think, oh, okay, Well,
if I let him get it on first night, then
you know he gonna think I'm lit. If I do
it like this, he gonna do, Oh she she will
booty type big boots, big way, small booty big.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So now I guess what's happening. Bbls Lip's done. It's
just it's so much that is leading towards the abortion clinic.
The chop shot.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's going on and so young.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
These girls are being pushed on. I mean, I see
it with I have four daughters, so I see it
with even my daughter. They go to a Christian school
in a small town in Michigan. And at graduation, eighth
grade graduation, even this, even at the stores that are
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geared toward middle schoolers, the dresses are so short. Everything
is sexy. Like you said, she was the only girl
that wore a long dress. And I said, and I
said to her, I had parents come up to me
and say, hey, thank you, And I said, she chose
the dress and she said, Mom. The next day at school,
the teacher said, thank you for dressing like that. And
it's hard because they have it's pushed on them constantly,
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sex appeal, sex appeal, sexpial and like you said, the
lip injections, the change your face, change who you are.
You are not good enough. God didn't make you the
way you should be. You have to improve on that.
And that, like your eyes were open to this, and
that's when you became the person on the other side
and that and I think that's where the movie picks up, right.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's like you're on the other side and then.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Suddenly It's interesting because it seems like the pro woman
group of politicians in the country, they suddenly decided that
pro life is not pro woman, and you were arrested.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I think what the movie displays is not just a
story or a testimony of being a Christian and being bold.
It also exposes real racism. It really does. I remember
saying to the judge that I felt like a Negro
out of line during my centizen and I felt like
I told the judge, I said, you know, if I
was half naked and I was jumping around, twirling and
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shaking my behind, you guys would applaud me, you would
celebrate me. But because I am standing here with my
husband and my baby, and I am standing in the
gap for a community who has been led astray by
the deceiver, you guys are wanting to shut me up.
And her response to me was throwing me in jail
for three and a half years, and by the grace
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of God, Trump signed my pardon. So the movie shows
a person who was a statistic who God opened their
eyes to see and gave them the courage to stand
on their eyes being open and seeing the truth. But
then at the same time because of that, watching the
system come down on them so heavy and giving them
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the fullness of what they could give them without any remark,
the ruthlessness of it, you know. And so for me,
it's like this story is going to expose so much
the judge, I'm going to give you intel that I
haven't spoken on any interview yet, but I'm gonna give
it to you.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, when I got pardoned, I had already.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Been a repellent court waiting for me to appeal my case,
and then Trump pardoned me, and Trump becoming president, he.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Basically took over everything.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
He took over the FBI, anything federal, He basically cleared
it out with his people. So now my lawyer had
requested that my charges be vacated. I'm pardoned, but really
these are beefed up there, These are silly charges.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
This needs to be vacated.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
The government agreed to vacate, and so then after they
signed it, they sent it up to appellent court. And
because the government agreed to it, a pellant couldn't go
rogue on what the government is agreeing to since they
were the ones who initiated the charges Underbiden administration.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So the appellent Court then was like, all right.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Listen, we're gonna go ahead and sign off for her,
and we're gonna vacate these charges.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And now, the very.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Judge Jennifer Roshan who sentenced me to forty one months
and mocked me for my faith, she told me she
looked me in my face and she said, I know
you have a beautiful three year old daughter, and you
know and I know your stay at home mom, but
it seems like you have a lot of support because
of all of these letters that came in for you,
So I feel like she'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
This was her response to me before she sentenced me,
and it's in the movie. Okay, But what's not in
the movie.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Is that the case was vacated by appellate court and
she's supposed to sign so that I can travel because
even though you're pardon, you still are not able to
travel to London with a federal felony and you're not
able to travel to Canada. Those things have to be
vacated as if it never happened. It has been over
a month and a half she has not signed it. Wow,
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So she has chosen and at this point it's spiteful,
but to not even respect the court higher than her
to go ahead and sign off on the vacated charges.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
This is how spiteful.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
This is well coming from someone who's experienced what that is.
So that's what I think. That's the important part of
this movie. And the movie is going to be out
in theaters on August fifteenth, so and that's across the country,
right right.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That's of course.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So we are waiting now to hear back from AMC.
Prayers up that they will release it. They played Unplanned, Okay,
AMC was the only theater that played Unplanned, So I'm expecting,
I'm hoping and praying they will say yes to us.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
We also have mom and Pop theaters that are releasing us.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
But also if AMC does, that will kind of make
it a lot easier for those who don't know any
Mama Pop theaters in the area.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So we'll know that this week, but definitely on the fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It is coming out, and we're just excited you guys
to go and see this because I really my prayer
for this movie is that I can bridge the gap
between pro lifers who obviously are pro life and don't
want to see children murdered.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
But also I want to give them a better.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Insight into the background of people before they land at
that clinic, what they go through, so we can bridge
this gap of cultural understanding as well as.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
A cultural renewal.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Right, we want to understand the past, right, but we
want to also renew the future. And I want to
be that girl that these young women see, whether they're black, white,
Latino doesn't matter that Wow, if she can be brought
this way right watching my mom's snort coke and be
abusive and different men in the house, I can come
from that to this that you can do it too.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And also just an understanding of that.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
When I was campaigning, I had people say to me,
you know, it doesn't matter how many times you visit
our community unless there are people around you that have
lived whether it's in Southeast Michigan or southwest Michigan or
northern Michigan. Unless you have people around you, If you
haven't lived it, you cannot really understand it. And I
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think that's true, and that's why watching it and getting
and having this recreation in a movie.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Movies are so important. They tell stories.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So many people learn history and stories through storytelling and
that's movies. Movies are storytelling. That's the importance of Pardon me.
And I want people to know that you are going
to even if you are a strong Christian conservative who
has always opposed abortion, you are going to have a
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different understanding of that choice after you watch this movie.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Right Amen.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I am so grateful you came on today, Bevelyn B. Williams.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Thank you so much for joining us on the podcast.
Thank you for having me absolutely, and thank you all
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a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We have a treat for you today because you have
all seen this kind of faith and culture battleground going
on in our country right now. And I'm sure a
lot of you have heard the story of Bevelyn B.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Williams. She is the woman who was arrested for protesting.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
At one of the abortion clinics, and we get to
have her on today so that we can hear her story.
She was actually put in jail by the Biden Harris
administration and pardoned. And you have a new movie, and
there's just all this great stuff going on, which is
a testimony to Christ and his leading.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So tell us your story, and thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi, thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
For having me, and thank you for giving me an
opportunity to just share. I mean, it's a surreal story and.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I just I thank God that I made it through that.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It was probably one of the most traumatic things I've
ever experienced in my life, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And if I go a one time, I do it again.
So I start from the super duper.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Beginning, but I can at least say I could start
from like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, let's talk about really quick.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I wanted to have you on today because you do
have a film coming out about it, and that is
extremely exciting. It's called Pardon Me, The Bevelyn B. Williams Story,
So that's going to be coming out on August fifteenth,
and I just want to say that as I was
preparing for this podcast and reading your story, I was
excited because I think that this is the behind the
(01:32):
scenes story of your life. Is the story that people
don't know. You know, they see the images on TV.
They see the story of Okay, you know, you're going
into to jail, you have a little girl, you have
a husband that's waiting outside. But the journey that got
you there, to me, the journey of faith and how
(01:53):
God worked in your life, is so incredibly powerful. Is
something that I think young people need to hear. Because
when you were talking, I know you had that long
testimony that you have on the website out there, but
when you were talking about what you thought growing up,
that was the most impactful part to me because you
said you had a life that was very challenging and
(02:15):
then you were told by your dad that guys only
want one thing, and it shaped sort of how you
saw the world and then God turned that around.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That to me is amazing. So tell us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Right, So you want to go all the way back
to when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I mean I kind of think that without hearing how
you have gone.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Through this yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I mean, you've had abortions, and that to me is
incredibly powerful because I think so I've talked to so
many women who have had an abortion and felt like
I don't have value. Now look at what that has
done in your life to create a warrior.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Right, Okay, I love that.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Actually, I think that's amazing because, well, what I say
is this, in twenty nineteen, when Governor Culum Will had
legalized abortion, that's when I really decided to and I'm
saying this for a reason, that's when I really decided,
you know, it's an issue and I need to address it.
But a lot of the circle backs of my childhood
(03:22):
happened from me being obedient to that moment.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And what I.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Can say is my first abortion was when I was fifteen. Okay,
my dad at the time, I think he was trying
to protect me. I don't think he understood the fullness
of what it means to get an abortion and I
don't think I was or he was prepared for the depression.
And just like the turmoil that comes with making such
a big decision like that to remove a kid out
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of your but when you do something like that, there
is trauma that comes behind it. No matter how much
the law wants to make it normal, it's not normal
because it's traumatic. So now while I'm in front of
the abortion clinics and I'm preaching, and I got all
this raw raw and me, I remember getting a flashback
of the day I had my first abortion, and I
(04:10):
remember those people were in front of that clinic. I
didn't understand why they were there. They seemed angry, and
I was told to look down and not look at them.
And fast forward here I am in twenty nineteen doing
the exact same thing they were doing. But the heart was,
(04:30):
oh my god, I'm a witness, like God was there
for me even when I was lost and I didn't
know what I was doing, and I was just so
oblivious to all the different facets of demonic forces around
just that I'm just falling into because I wasn't protected.
I can say I know what it's like to be
(04:51):
a child that's not protected. And I have a three
year old, so I am such a guardian over her
and me and my husband both because he has felt
like he wasn't protected as well. You want to guard.
You want to be a guard to a child's spiritual journey.
You want to be a guard to their personality. You
want to be a guard to everything that God has
(05:11):
has for them, because if you don't, you're left vulnerable,
You're left feeling insignificant. You might end up having sex
at an early age because you don't feel that connection
with your father, or you may become a doormat because
of the abuse or mental abuse you get from your
mother or the manipulation. So if those things aren't protected,
(05:32):
you're gonna end up at an abortion clinic. That's just
the reality, you know. And so I lived it, and
now here I am being delivered, saved and now doing it,
and I'm realizing, wow, oh my gosh, if someone like
me could be in that position, that gives really, honestly
no excuse to any other woman in this world.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
You could end up growing up like a statistic like
me having three abortions, not one, not two, three.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
But still at some point my eyes being opened and
willing to just be a voice because I've been.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
There and I think that is a very key point
that you just made. Let's take a quick commercial break.
We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. When we
talk about abortion in this country, when conservatives are people
of faith talk about abortions, we have said, you have
(06:27):
to understand this is not just the terrible statistic. These
are women who are convinced to have abortion after abortion
after abortion, and these clinics are making a massive amount
of money off of the fact that you have a
young woman who has three abortions. Your story is not unusual.
That's the I think that's the tragedy here. And you
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knew that, you knew that that you realize this is
a sad situation, and somebody guided you through that, and
here you are. God uses people, he says, this is
this tragedy will not go unseen and unchanged. You are
now the person speaking your testimony into other people's lives
to change that right.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Right, you know, I will say this, I never got
so caught up in the things that I was doing
wrong that I thought that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They were right.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like, I'm a very real person, okay, and number one
for me is being real with self the biggest thing
in the world. If you don't know how to be
real with self, you're going to have a hard time
in life because if you can't come to a conclusion
with yourself about certain things you're doing, the world is
unfortunately going to come to a conclusion for you.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And that's the last thing you want, right.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So that was kind of the warning you got, was like,
you're gonna end up dead if you keep a living this.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Right, right.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
But it was easy for me to receive because I
never thought abortion was okay.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I never thought okay because it's legal, it's okay, and
it's normal.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So even in my sin, you know what I'm saying,
If I'm out with my friends and we drinking and
we smoking, and I'm having sex with men that I
am not married to, I'm clearly.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Not walking a Christian walk. I'm clearly not walking a
holy walk.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So I never and my mom was like, oh, well,
it's legal, so I'm doing what's the right thing.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
No, I was aware that I was living wrong.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
So when that woman came to me and said to me,
if you don't change, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Die, I knew where I was going.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I knew that if I died in this state that
I am, she didn't have to tell me.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I knew I was going to hell. I knew that.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So it was so easy for me to say, you
know what, let me go ahead, straighten up, because I
know I'm wrong. She's telling me, she's confirming what's already known.
I believe we live in a society today where, because
of social media and because of the way people talk
and people like to talk in circles rather than just
get straight to the point, everything seems to be these circles.
(08:56):
Nothing's never just black and white no more, everything's gray.
Because of that gray, there's no longer platform.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
To just be real. Yes, you're young, you want to live,
you want to have fun, but the reality is it's wrong.
It's wrong, right. And so that's what.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Has really pivoted my faith, and it's pivoted me to
be the woman that I am today because I never
allowed the enemy to get me so deceived that I'm
just now living a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So you changed your life kind of like it was
like a one eighty from where you were because you
were on that path of partying and having sex with
multiple different men and had you had three abortions in
that time frame. And I think what you said about
(09:47):
the effect of the abortion is probably the most powerful testimony,
because I don't think a lot of people are willing
to say some have some people have come out and said, boy,
this really emotionally damaged me.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And that's the thing in this world. You talk about
the black and white and the gray area.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, the gray area, I mean, I think a lot
of times people are too black and white. It's either
abortion is good, abortion is bad, and the gray area
is that's that place where you say, you know what,
I had an abortion and there was a lot of
pain that came along with it. And it's not a
welcome comment to I mean, the left certainly is not
(10:26):
going to allow you to come out and say there
was pain that came.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Along with that, and it is.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It is something that I think that we have to
face the reality that this is happening in minority communities
at higher rates than it's happening in other communities, and
that means that that pain is traveling through communities and
going unnoticed and going un uncounseled, and that to me
(10:53):
is a devastating situation, right.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, I'll look at it like this.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
When it comes to the black community and even other
minority communities, the chunk of abortions that we take up
is not normal.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But a lot of times I find we're looking at
abortion and I mean, listen, I'm the one who stood
off fron abortion clinic. Right, we look at abortion as
an issue. But for me, it's like why. And that's
the part I'm getting to. People knew me as this
person standing in front of an abortion clinic.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But now, how did I get there? Why was I
there three times?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
What's the there's a bridge that landed me to this place?
And it's like this unspoken thing we're not talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Lay You're so right, But that's that's what we always do.
We focus on one part of We focus on the after.
How did you get there?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Right? Right? So now let's talk about the music.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Okay, let's talk about the women nowadays. I and this
is just from personal experience. I know women in my
culture and I'm sure it's in other cultures too, but
i'mnna speak specifically online.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They do not know how to be beautiful. All they
know is sex, a pill, everything about your powerful state
sex and if it's not sex is violence. Right, Once
upon a time, and Charleston White said this. People think
he's crazy, and I think he's a trip. But sometimes he.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Dropped jewels that be like, you know what, I gotta
I gotta take that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
He said, you know, there was a.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Time where women were beautiful when it came outside. Even
if you were a bunch of men thugs, you straightened
up real quick. You see, you see a lady, you
would treat a woman like a lady. It's as if
that culture is gone. Now I'm on social media. I
watch women and men fighting like cats and dogs in
the streets and women are outside butts hanging out, boobs
(12:52):
out in a dude's face like it's like it's chaos
to the point that the Femen and the lady that
God called women to.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Be you don't see it like that. And then the
other extreme.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Is you're so religious you walk around with a plastic
bag on because you're holy, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
What I'm saying. So it's like that there's no clarity there.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So now sex a pillas, what's more important? Right? And
hip hop?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It's all about sex. It's all about these things that
I said it to my cousin. I was talking to him,
and I was like, he was like, you know, sometimes
women want to do it just like men. I said, well,
let me explain something to you. Women are very insecure.
Women will shape themselves to appease what they feel is
pleasing to a man when they don't have a man
to tell them who they are, when they don't have
(13:42):
a father to teach them who they are. Right, So,
if I don't have a daddy in the house and
I don't even know how to communicate with the man
outside of sexual encounters, right, how.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Am I going to know?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
If I hear a hip hop song and he said,
you know, she let me hear it on the first night,
it was firing. He's bragging about it, like good thing.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
This young girl's gonna listen to this music and think, oh, okay, Well,
if I let him get it on first night, then
you know he gonna think I'm lit. If I do
it like this, he gonna do, Oh she she will
booty type big boots, big way, small booty big.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So now I guess what's happening. Bbls Lip's done. It's
just it's so much that is leading towards the abortion clinic.
The chop shot.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's going on and so young.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
These girls are being pushed on. I mean, I see
it with I have four daughters, so I see it
with even my daughter. They go to a Christian school
in a small town in Michigan. And at graduation, eighth
grade graduation, even this, even at the stores that are
(14:47):
geared toward middle schoolers, the dresses are so short. Everything
is sexy. Like you said, she was the only girl
that wore a long dress. And I said, and I
said to her, I had parents come up to me
and say, hey, thank you, And I said, she chose
the dress and she said, Mom. The next day at school,
the teacher said, thank you for dressing like that. And
it's hard because they have it's pushed on them constantly,
(15:10):
sex appeal, sex appeal, sexpial and like you said, the
lip injections, the change your face, change who you are.
You are not good enough. God didn't make you the
way you should be. You have to improve on that.
And that, like your eyes were open to this, and
that's when you became the person on the other side
and that and I think that's where the movie picks up, right.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's like you're on the other side and then.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Suddenly It's interesting because it seems like the pro woman
group of politicians in the country, they suddenly decided that
pro life is not pro woman, and you were arrested.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I think what the movie displays is not just a
story or a testimony of being a Christian and being bold.
It also exposes real racism. It really does. I remember
saying to the judge that I felt like a Negro
out of line during my centizen and I felt like
I told the judge, I said, you know, if I
was half naked and I was jumping around, twirling and
(16:12):
shaking my behind, you guys would applaud me, you would
celebrate me. But because I am standing here with my
husband and my baby, and I am standing in the
gap for a community who has been led astray by
the deceiver, you guys are wanting to shut me up.
And her response to me was throwing me in jail
for three and a half years, and by the grace
(16:34):
of God, Trump signed my pardon. So the movie shows
a person who was a statistic who God opened their
eyes to see and gave them the courage to stand
on their eyes being open and seeing the truth. But
then at the same time because of that, watching the
system come down on them so heavy and giving them
(16:55):
the fullness of what they could give them without any remark,
the ruthlessness of it, you know. And so for me,
it's like this story is going to expose so much
the judge, I'm going to give you intel that I
haven't spoken on any interview yet, but I'm gonna give
it to you.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, when I got pardoned, I had already.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Been a repellent court waiting for me to appeal my case,
and then Trump pardoned me, and Trump becoming president, he.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Basically took over everything.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
He took over the FBI, anything federal, He basically cleared
it out with his people. So now my lawyer had
requested that my charges be vacated. I'm pardoned, but really
these are beefed up there, These are silly charges.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
This needs to be vacated.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
The government agreed to vacate, and so then after they
signed it, they sent it up to appellent court. And
because the government agreed to it, a pellant couldn't go
rogue on what the government is agreeing to since they
were the ones who initiated the charges Underbiden administration.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So the appellent Court then was like, all right.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Listen, we're gonna go ahead and sign off for her,
and we're gonna vacate these charges.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And now, the very.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Judge Jennifer Roshan who sentenced me to forty one months
and mocked me for my faith, she told me she
looked me in my face and she said, I know
you have a beautiful three year old daughter, and you
know and I know your stay at home mom, but
it seems like you have a lot of support because
of all of these letters that came in for you,
So I feel like she'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
This was her response to me before she sentenced me,
and it's in the movie. Okay, But what's not in
the movie.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Is that the case was vacated by appellate court and
she's supposed to sign so that I can travel because
even though you're pardon, you still are not able to
travel to London with a federal felony and you're not
able to travel to Canada. Those things have to be
vacated as if it never happened. It has been over
a month and a half she has not signed it. Wow,
(18:55):
So she has chosen and at this point it's spiteful,
but to not even respect the court higher than her
to go ahead and sign off on the vacated charges.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
This is how spiteful.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
This is well coming from someone who's experienced what that is.
So that's what I think. That's the important part of
this movie. And the movie is going to be out
in theaters on August fifteenth, so and that's across the country,
right right.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That's of course.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So we are waiting now to hear back from AMC.
Prayers up that they will release it. They played Unplanned, Okay,
AMC was the only theater that played Unplanned, So I'm expecting,
I'm hoping and praying they will say yes to us.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
We also have mom and Pop theaters that are releasing us.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
But also if AMC does, that will kind of make
it a lot easier for those who don't know any
Mama Pop theaters in the area.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So we'll know that this week, but definitely on the fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It is coming out, and we're just excited you guys
to go and see this because I really my prayer
for this movie is that I can bridge the gap
between pro lifers who obviously are pro life and don't
want to see children murdered.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
But also I want to give them a better.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Insight into the background of people before they land at
that clinic, what they go through, so we can bridge
this gap of cultural understanding as well as.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
A cultural renewal.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Right, we want to understand the past, right, but we
want to also renew the future. And I want to
be that girl that these young women see, whether they're black, white,
Latino doesn't matter that Wow, if she can be brought
this way right watching my mom's snort coke and be
abusive and different men in the house, I can come
from that to this that you can do it too.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And also just an understanding of that.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
When I was campaigning, I had people say to me,
you know, it doesn't matter how many times you visit
our community unless there are people around you that have
lived whether it's in Southeast Michigan or southwest Michigan or
northern Michigan. Unless you have people around you, If you
haven't lived it, you cannot really understand it. And I
(21:07):
think that's true, and that's why watching it and getting
and having this recreation in a movie.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Movies are so important. They tell stories.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So many people learn history and stories through storytelling and
that's movies. Movies are storytelling. That's the importance of Pardon me.
And I want people to know that you are going
to even if you are a strong Christian conservative who
has always opposed abortion, you are going to have a
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different understanding of that choice after you watch this movie.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Right Amen.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I am so grateful you came on today, Bevelyn B. Williams.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Thank you so much for joining us on the podcast.
Thank you for having me absolutely, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this
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(22:07):
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