In this episode, Tudor speaks with former mob boss Michael Franzese about the mysterious circumstances surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death, the dark reality of sex trafficking, and the parallels between politics and organized crime. They discuss the pervasive corruption in government, the current state of American politics, and Michael's personal journey of redemption and his business ventures in the wine industry. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We've got Michael
Francis with us here today. You probably remember we had
him on Notorious Mob Boss went to prison just so
happens to have been in the same cell as Jeffrey Epstein.
So I wanted to have you back to chat about
all things politics, but also of course that we have
(00:22):
to cover that.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm good to go, Tutor, all.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Right, awesome. So I saw that you were saying that
you don't think it's possible to have committed suicide in
that cell. Obviously we've been looking at what's going on here.
There's this weird missing part of the tapes because the
cameras mysteriously went out at the same time as the
guards fell asleep. But you were in that cell, So
(00:47):
tell us a little bit about what that cell actually was.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Like, Yeah, there always seems to be something mysteriously missing
when it's for other people's convenience, But that wasn't my
experience spending you know, several months in that same tier
in that cell, and you know, first of all, you know,
this this perfect storm of the cameras going down and
the correctional officers not walking the tier. I never experienced
(01:14):
that tutor, and I was in lockdown for quite I
spent twenty nine months in lockdown, so I have a
lot of experience being in solitary, and that's what that
tier is all about. And I've never witnessed anything like that.
Number One, the correctional officers are always walking the tier.
As a matter of fact, I've said this many times,
not to be offensive, but you know, you're trying to
(01:34):
use the toilet and they're opening the door looking in
on you constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And I heard you say that. I thought that was
interesting because I think that, you know, we've never been
in prison before. You think solitary is like you're by
yourself and people bring you food and it's on a
schedule and you are kind of alone. But to hear
you talk about the fact that you're just kind of
on display all the time, and I thought of that
as where he who was it? Debbie Wasserman Shultu came
(02:04):
out and was like, all these people that go to
these holding centers, they have to brush their teeth while
they go to the bathroom, Like you're literally being watched
while you go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Absolutely, I mean it's not constantly. Don't get me wrong
that every time you know you do that they're watching you,
But quite often they do, because they check on you
a lot, especially if you're a high profile inmate like
I was, So I know the drill, you know, And
there was times when I was next to the Menendez brothers,
they were checking on us all the time. We didn't
have any and this that was in a different facility.
(02:35):
Don't get me wrong, but I'm saying if you're a
high profile inmate, especially, they're always checking on you. And
you know the.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Cameras is on suicide watch.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah he was prior to this, he was on suicide
Watch for a while, so I know that they're going
to be giving him, give him even more attention, you know.
So to say that they weren't watching, or they fell asleep,
or they were playing online shopping whatever they claimed they
were doing, and then the can down at the same time,
and then there's it just doesn't make sense to there.
(03:04):
And again, you know, I've said I have no horse
in this race. It doesn't matter to me either way
would happen. But I just cannot believe that all of
these things happened and nobody happened. Nobody knows what happened
with Epstein. That's number one. Number two, I don't know
how he can commit suicide in that cell. I really don't.
You'd have to be I've said this so many times, midget,
(03:27):
you know, to try to do it, because there's really
nothing you can hang yourself from. You know, it doesn't
make anything.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Say that there was a window high up and that
there were bars on the window.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, you know what. So on, you know, you're still
it's still difficult. And he didn't do it from the window.
They claimed he did it from the bedpost. So they
showed the actual place where he did it from the bedpost,
and you'd have to be trying to lay on the
ground and pulling it yourself to try to choke yourself.
There's just no way you can do it. You couldn't
(03:59):
do that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
That is the because we talked to his attorney, Alan
Dershowitz about this, and he said, I think that he
had to have had help from inside the prison, that
somebody had to have helped him do this. And we said, well, okay,
so how long was this sentence. I didn't have a
whole lot of details on this case. So that's why
I wanted to talk to Dershowitz, and he said he
(04:21):
hadn't been sentenced yet. He could have potentially been getting bail,
he could have been getting out. And he was like,
that's the weird thing. I don't know why he killed himself,
but he said, you know, these guys who've lived this
high profile life, in this very you know, high falutint life.
He's had at anything he's ever wanted, private jets, he's
got beautiful homes. Maybe it was just too much for him.
(04:42):
I mean, what's your take on that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I don't believe that. Also, because you know, number one,
he had skated an issue once before. Number two I believe,
you know, just according to the information that's come out.
I mean, this guy had videotapes on high profile people.
He had people that he was definitely bribing, starting back
with that Les Wexner. You know, I believe he felt
(05:07):
he'd get out of it again. Why would he commit suicide.
The guy's been skating this for twenty some odd years,
all of a sudden, now it's not going to happen.
It just doesn't make sense. And yeah, I do believe
that if there wasn't suicide, somebody had to come and
assist him with that. There's no way he could have
done it alone. Tutor. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's really weird. But I mean, the timing of all
of this coming out and these attacks on the president,
it seems like a great distraction from what the president's
doing right now. And to be honest, I think that
a lot of people have used this story to divide people.
And is it worth dividing people on a story that
(05:49):
is this old when you have so many good things
happening with the country.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, you know, my only issue with that, Tutor. Of course,
the people on the left neglect to say that this
whole investigation was done during the Biden administration and nothing
came out then. But obviously that's conveniently forgotten because any
time they can attack Trump, they will. But you know,
I think the important issue here is I had a
fellow by nay name of Paul Hutchinson on my podcast,
(06:18):
and he was the one in the movie Sound of Freedom.
He financed the movie. He was also it was his
character that went and rescued those fifty one or fifty
two young girls at that time that was seen in
the movie. He's dedicated past ten years of his life
to helping these sex trafficking victims, and some of the
things he told me, tutor was just so atrocious, the
(06:41):
way they treat these young girls, the way they have
a menu of, you know, sexual services that these young
girls will perform for money. And you know this, Epstein
was at the height of this, and there were other
elitist people involved in this, people with power, and we
have to stop this. These people have to be held
accountable for abusing young children, both male and female. So well, okay,
(07:05):
is yeah, I mean this has to come out. You
can't just sweep this under the road.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So let's get into that a little bit. Because you've
been talking about you've been out there talking about George
Soros and what he's been doing with these prosecutors and
the folks that he's gotten elected and news and all
these guys you're talking about trafficking. You are from New York.
You guys have in New York. They just through the primary.
(07:31):
They have a new candidate for mayor. He is pro
sex work. He wants to legalize sex work. Essentially, if
you legalize sex work, what you just talked about is
legal you can own people and sell them and sell
their services. This is like sex slavery. There's this weird
(07:54):
thing on the left where they're like, oh, women should
be able to use whatever they want to make money.
It's never the woman that's making money off of this.
You end up with a guy who is selling women
and owning women, and you have Epstein legal. I mean,
what in the world is happening?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know, I hate to say, it's my hometown and
I love the state, but I don't know if they're
losing their collective minds, you know, on the left to
put somebody like this, a socialist who's really really on
the socialist side, I don't know. I don't I can't
even respond to this. It's so it's so insane. It's
(08:33):
so insane. I don't know where we're going in this country, Tutor.
I really mean it that a guy with his background,
his beliefs can actually become, you know, mayor of the
biggest city in the country, you know, a position that
can vault you into, you know, the top tier of politics.
I don't get it, you know, I really don't, But
(08:53):
I can tell you this, it's horrific. With this human
trafficking of young of young male and female it's it's horrific,
and it's it's happening at a big level all over
the world, and not primarily, but a major part of
it is happening here in the United States.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think if there were more awareness about it, if
we were actually to you know, these cases, they're hard.
It's hard to bring awareness because people are under age,
so you can't really expose a lot of these cases.
I don't think people realize that we are the second
highest sex trafficking nation in the in the world, so
when you look at the United States, and certainly having
(09:31):
an open border has been a part of that. But
I do think that you talk about politics, I think
it's been interesting to listen to the way you talk
about politics because you talk about this as like this
is similar to how a mob family is set up.
There's different levels, there's so you have an insight that
we don't have. And when I got into the political world,
(09:53):
I was like, man, this is it's really hard to
break in and and the corruption is incredibly strong, to
the point where just recently one of my relatives was
meeting with someone who has been in on the Democrat
side four years and she said to this person, how
could Tutor have possibly broken into this like it's not
(10:14):
open to the public. I mean, essentially the answer was
it's not open to anybody, which I was naively thinking
that in this country it is open to anybody. And
truly I've proven that it is, but the political elites
do not think it is. So how have you explained
a little bit about how you've seen the mob organization
(10:38):
work and how you see that in the political structure
as well.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, you know, Tutor, there's and all saying absolute power
corrupts absolutely and I saw it in the street in
the mob. You know, look, we had certain codes and
rules and policies there and if you break them, you know,
the consequences could be very severe of those policies for
political reasons being broken and people suffered as a result
(11:05):
of that. I see the same thing in government. You know,
people want to maintain power, that's it. And you know,
forget Democrat Republican. But I think it's been highlighted over
the past four or five six years where we've seen
the Department of Justice go after its political enemies, where
we see, you know, power try to limit power on
the other side, and we see it more today than
(11:27):
anywhere else. So this is like mob families fighting over
one another, fighting to stay in control and to stay
in power. All we hear now, you know, is negativity
from both sides. And this is supposed to be a
Congress that's working on behalf of the people, not working
on behalf of one another. They're supposed to be working
together to try to you know, to solve issues and
(11:50):
try to make this country better. But instead they're working
against one another to try to maintain power. And that's
how it is on the street, and it's so obvious.
And now they'relling out all stops by weaponizing, you know,
the Department of Justice, the FBI, using the tools that
they have to conquer the other side. So the American
people now are there in the background. It's all about
(12:12):
them maintaining power so that they can they can, uh,
you know, put their power upon us and put their
policies upon us.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Look, we even look with the you know, the last
election with Kamala Harris being installed, the Democrats didn't even
have an opportunity to choose a candidate. Now that's not
supposed to happen. They're not supposed to install somebody and
say Okay, this is going to be the person that
we're putting up there for president. So and that's just
one example. And I'm not trying to go Republican Democrat
(12:42):
because it happens on both sides. But in the last
four or five years, we've seen this power. It's like
two mob families fighting for territory, fighting for power, fight
to maintain control. It's so obvious to me because I
saw it. I'll be honest with you, it wasn't It
wasn't as in your face. Back then, politicians tried to
(13:03):
do something shady. They didn't want to be out there.
But now it's like they don't tear anymore. They're just
out there and they're shame. We want to be in control. Period.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So I will say, I feel
like we're seeing this right now on the Republican side.
In Texas, everybody loved Ken Paxton. He was this great
attorney general. He was suing Joe Biden and his administration
(13:34):
and they were lifting him up. And so Ken Paxton
was kind of like the MAGA person in Texas, and
people felt like John Cornyn was kind of the old Republican.
And then Ken Paxton comes out and he's running for Senate.
And there were a lot of people that said you
shouldn't run against an incumbent suddenly, and let me tell
(13:54):
you, you don't. I don't think that Ken Paxton would announce
a campaign and run for office if he thought that
his family was going to have a public blow up.
But somehow, in the midst of this, his wife puts
out a statement saying that she's been this to These
terrible things from their marriage have come to light, and
(14:16):
she's divorcing him. He has to publicly respond, and everything
looks very much like someone in the other political camp
went to her and destroyed their lives. And my problem
with this is here you have our own side. You
have two people that talk about being Christians, talk about faith,
(14:38):
and they go to the heart of the family and
break it apart. That's pretty twisted.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, it is a tutor, but there again they forget
that this isn't about the American people anymore and about
the country. It's about getting into power and getting into control.
It's so obvious to me sitting back, It's like, you know,
it's again, it's mob families warring among one another to
(15:06):
maintain power. You know, you go on social media and
you have people all they do is k not the
other person on the other side of the aisle. They
don't offer anything to the American people. They don't. They
don't do anything positive. It's just knocking everything that the
other side does. And look, I'll give perfect examples. You
have Elizabeth Warren, you have Adam Shift every single day. Unfortunately,
(15:29):
they're in my feed and all they do is not
calling Trump. They don't offer anything positive to the people,
you know, and why because they want him out of
power so that they can get back in power. And
what do they do when they get back in power.
They impose their will on us. Hey, you're gonna do this.
You're going to we're gonna lock down for COVID, You're
going to pay more taxes. You're going to do this,
(15:50):
you know. And it's another thing I tell the American people.
I said, listen, with thirty six trillion dollars in debt
and counting every minute, we didn't do that. Irresponsible government
did that. They ran up the bill and now they're
imposing it on us to try to fix it. Well,
you have to pay our taxs. Well, you know, it's
just so unfair. It's gotten so out of control. I
(16:11):
don't know what the solution is. But again, when you
think of the nationally, you think of our debt being
thirty six trillion dollars and our leadership that we put
our trust in, they caused that. It wasn't us, It
wasn't the American people. American people are starving because we
have to carry that debt.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Through side deals and sketchy business dealings. And this is
all as you said, power corrupts, and there's no check
on this power. That's the weird thing, because there's no
When you're an elected official, the bosses are the people,
and you can get re elected, and there's nobody. The
Ethics Committee. I mean, for years, the Ethics Committee was
(16:53):
the one that was saying, Okay, this is how much
taxpayer money we'll use to settle this issue so the
American people don't don't know about it. It wasn't about
exposing it to the American people. It was protecting the
people in Congress and where there are millions of dollars
of taxpayer money that have gone to people who were
harmed by someone in Congress and that was hidden. And
(17:13):
that to me, that to me is where Republicans right
now should be saying, hey, that congressional slush fund, that
we still have people in Congress who took money from
us to cover up their sins, the bad things that
they did, the sexual abuse, the children that they harmed,
those those are the that's the list I want. I
(17:34):
want the list of people who took taxpayer money to
cover up their own offenses.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Tuty is so right on that, you really are, you know,
but so much of this stuff is hidden from us.
We don't know what's going on. You know, to think that,
you know, the IRS will go after somebody because they
didn't pay ten thousand dollars in taxes. You meanwhile, where
they're paying the taxes to or abusing the money left
them right and putting us in debt while they were earning,
while earning and living good lives. And look I went through,
(18:04):
you know, I spoke in front of the Senate you know,
staff and a number of senators were there. It was
the anniversary of nine to eleven, and they took me
on the tour. I mean, these people don't even get
wet in the rain. They've got every perk available to them.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They're like every one of them is like a mini prince.
You know, they have a staff. I don't think people
realize there's so many perks. All your meals are you
get to go out to fancy dinners all the time.
You are treated like you're much much more of an
elite than anyone else in the country.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah. And the problem is, do you think we could
ever reverse this? The answer to me is no, I
don't think we ever can. So where does it ultimately lead?
You know, I've never in my seventy four years and
I've never seen this this divisive and this bad. And
I don't know if there's a solution. I think America
is headed in in a very difficult direction. If this continues,
(19:03):
and every day it's worse, it's worse. I mean, they
just keep butting heads and screaming at one another and
trying to maintain power. And I think Trump is I
do believe, you know that Trump is trying to get
this country in order. I really do believe that nobody
is perfect. There's going to be mistakes along the way.
We understand that, but I believe he's really trying to
(19:23):
bring this country back. Whether he can do it or not,
you know, it's a huge task.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It's been interesting to watch because his approval rating. In fact,
just on CNN today they came out and they said
his approval rating is even going higher, you know, offer
all these attacks, even some of these right wing, hardcore
right wing influencers who have been attacking him lately, his
approval rating across the nation just goes to show Twitter
(19:51):
is not real life. His approval rating keeps going higher.
So he's in the among Republicans, he's over ninety percent
right now. He's doing a great job, happy with what
he's doing. It's interesting to watch the Democrats right now
because this past week they had Zoron Mamdani in DC
and he was meeting with a bunch of people, and
(20:12):
certainly that's been kind of a highlight of what's happening
in the Democrat Party right now because he has made
the comment sees the means of production. He says he's
a socialist. His statements are communist. I talked about him
wanting to decriminalize sex work. He has also said that
he also voted against protecting people from revenge porn. Those
(20:37):
two things together are to me very dangerous for women
in the city of New York. But also is this
the direction that Democrats are wanting to go? And Democrats
are struggling with it. Hakim Jeffries doesn't know what to do.
They've got this guy who they are now in a
position where you have to make a decision. It's not
(20:58):
a small city. It's probably the most important financial city
in the world. It is one of the most important
cities in the country. This guy would be running I mean,
it's it's he's similar to what you would be running
the government. You know, he's running the government for New
York City. And he's a young guy. He's talked about
(21:20):
how if he runs out of money, his parents will
just fund him. He's never run anything, he's never been
a part of a business, he's never had a job
as a part of a business. And he speaks in
all of these bizarre socialist slash slash communist terms, and
yet the Democrat Party is going, well, you know, I'm
(21:41):
going to endorse him. Rocanna, who has prided himself on
being more of a moderate, he came out and endorsed him,
and they said, well, what about this, what about this?
What about this, and he said, I don't agree with
him on those things, but you put your name on
his campaign, You put your name to him and said
you agree with that. You once you've said I'm for him,
(22:03):
you have to be all in. So what does that
mean for the Democrat Party and watching this love fest
in New York for someone who is so radically anti American,
how does that jive for the Democrats going forward in
the midterms and in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, here's what I think. I think that you know,
they've totally lost their way as a party and they're
doubling down on all the wrong things. And this is
the ultimate double down on this Mondami because look, you know,
they've taken up the cause of illegal migrants coming back
into this country. They went after that fellow Garcia and
(22:39):
made him a hero until they found out who he
really was all about. They just anybody that they believe
is getting attention and maybe taking attention away from the
Republican Party, from away from Trump. That's who they're doubling
down and going after. They just don't have a direction.
They don't have a good candidate, they don't have direction
(23:00):
to go into. So anybody that seems to attract attention,
and people like what, we're jumping to that person, even
if it's a socialist, the communist or whatever, even if
they have ridiculous policies, insane policies, because Tutor, all their
policies are insane. And that's why, you know, Trump's approval
ratings are going up, because the sane people in this country,
(23:22):
in Middle America and every whales, and there's many of them,
you know, are saying, this is so radical. We can't
accept this. I mean, we can't accept gender affirming surgery
for our children, you know. In California finally, you know,
I mean, Newsom passes a bill where these kids at
eleven twelve years old can have sex changes and the
parents don't know about it. This is demonic, it's insanity.
(23:46):
And the Democratic Party seems to double down on all
of these crazy issues. And I think that most of
the same people in this country, and most people are saying,
we can't accept this. You I don't know, you know,
I don't know what's happening to my people in New York.
I just hope. I mean, look, Clomo was not a
(24:07):
good candidate to run against him. He's got too much baggage.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
In his past, he would decriminalize sex work too.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
From exactly exactly, but I want to say, you know,
we need a two party system in this country. We
don't want a one party system, a three party system even.
We need to have choices in that regard, but we
got to also have good candidates on the democratic side.
Where are they who would you look at and vote for.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. You brought up something interesting and
I want to go there just for a second, because
you brought up these surgeries, the transgender surgeries. And I
heard something this morning last week. Doctor McCarey came out
(24:52):
and he is the head of the FDA. Right, I'm yes,
So doctor Marty McCarey came out and he said that
they've been some research and they found that women who
have their ovaries removed have a much higher risk of
heart attack. And he said, in fact, we found a
young woman who was in her twenties who had her
ovaries removed and had died of a heart attack at
(25:15):
twenty six. And his point was not about transgender surgeries,
but he was saying, you know, we've been looking at
this hormone replacement therapy, and we found that in women
who are going through menopause, it's very important that they
have hormone replacement therapy because it seems as though estrogen
is protecting the heart in women. And it made me think,
(25:35):
here's that's true science. And here we have doctors who
are removing the ovaries of young girls, giving hysterectomies to
seventeen eighteen year old girls. This is criminal to me.
And yet when we talk about it, the Democrat Party
is in this world now where it's like upside down
(25:58):
is right side up and vice versa. You can't have
a real conversation.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I wrote an op ed about a situation that we
had in our foundry, and this is the frustration that
I have today, because we had in twenty ten, we
had ice raid our factory and take out one of
our longtime employees. He'd work there before we even bought
the company. And it was devastating and it was a
(26:23):
horrible situation. And Obama was president and when we tried
to go to immigration and hire an immigration attorney, they
were like, you know what, it's the law. And he
broke the law and there's nothing we can do. And
back then, no matter what party you were in, if
you broke the law, it meant something, and today it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No. You know again, I just don't understand. They're on
the wrong side of every single issue. Common sense wise,
not Democrat Republic, it's just common sense. Look, you're an
illegal migrant in this country. You know, I think I
don't think any of us want to see, you know,
families torn apart. If there's illegal immigrants here that are working,
(27:05):
paying their taxes and trying to do the right thing.
I would love to see them have a path to citizenship,
and I think most people would. Nobody's against them. But
we have to get Sometimes because an issue has gone
so far, you know, overboard, you have to bring it back.
During that time, some people are going to suffer. You know,
We've got to get it. And I tell people all
(27:26):
the time, why are we at this point? This is
Congress's fault. Again. They haven't come up with it. They
haven't come up with a good policy that makes sense.
And you know, again, it's the people that suffer for
it when they don't do their job. They're blaming this,
they're blaming Trump, They're blaming by everybody's to blame except
the people that really deserve to blame, and that's Congress
(27:48):
to come up with a good immigration policy that makes
sense that people can follow that doesn't you know, hurt
one side or the other. But they don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And I'll end on this. You've talked about Whitman. She's
the governor here in the state of Michigan, and she's
just been exposed for taking twenty million dollars of taxpayer
money giving it to a longtime donor of hers. She
actually appointed this woman to the Business Development Board, which
is an outside private organization that is appointed by the governor.
(28:21):
She appointed her president, and then they decided that some
of the money that would go to businesses to recruit
them to the state of Michigan. They gave her twenty
million to create an incubator company that would create other businesses.
It had never existed before. The money was in many
cases not all spent, but it was spent on like
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tens of thousands of dollars on first class tickets overseas.
They bought a five thousand dollars coffeemaker. This woman is
taking an over five hundred thousand dollars a year salary.
Out of this, no businesses have been created. Now there's
conversation that is being exposed between the governor and this
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woman's office, like, hey, we're going to get this money
for you. To me, this is top of the line corruption.
These things have got to be exposed because states like
ours cannot we can't recruit new businesses if we're going
to be giving money to all of the politicians' friends.
And as you pointed out, this is happening on both sides.
(29:27):
When you just give us a little idea, because you've,
like I said, you've compared this to the mob, tell
me how you see business having to interact with government
from the perspective of what you saw the mob doing,
because you said, in the mob you own people. I mean,
you own politicians, you own police. You you're familiar with this.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
No, absolutely, you know. Look, you know I can say
it was guilty myself. There was a gentleman that had
a Chevrolet dealership and he always say a bad gambler,
and he got in trouble with some of my people,
and he owed several hundred thousand dollars and I took
over his cheval a agency because he couldn't pay the bill,
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and you know, and look, we allowed him to continue
to get in debt. We didn't cut him off and say, hey,
you know, this has to stop now. We let him,
you know, destroy himself, and then we took over his agency.
I mean, it's the same. Look, it's a different manner
in which the government works. They feed one another and
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then you know, they put money in their pockets, and
they put money in their friends pockets and their relatives pocket. Meanwhile,
this stealing this money from taxpayers, This is theft. This
is not where taxpayers money is supposed to go. This
stealing it, you know, they absolutely are. And you know,
the only way to stop this, tutor would never happen.
(30:52):
Of course, it's ridiculous for me to even say it.
But if every taxpayer got up and said, we're not
paying on taxes anymore, end of story, lock us up.
Well they couldn't do that, obviously, correct, but it would
be the only way. When you cut the money stream off,
then people listen. If the government didn't have our money
to play with anymore and to abuse anymore, well then
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this would stop. But of course it's not going to happen.
There's no other way to get this under control because
it's going to continue. Look, I just read I don't
know if it's true or not, but I just read
that AOC is worth twenty two million dollars. She's in
Congress five years.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
She has I think she has denied that, but we
certainly know that Nancy Pelosi has her her financial situation
has skyrocketed. But that's the thing We've watched multiple people.
It's like, you're not supposed to be making money outside
of your salary, but they go in to government and
they come out very, very wealthy, and where is that
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money coming from. I also, I mean, I have a
strong feeling about people who have been lobbyists going into
government and vice versa coming out government and becoming lobbyists.
You're if you were making money off of the government,
then you will continue to make money off of the
government if you decide to go back into the government.
I just think that's that can't be trusted because that's
(32:13):
what you did. The political world has become a place
where whether you're speaking about it, or you're involved in it,
or you're selling to it, you are there is just
massive money on the line. And I think that's what
I mean, I believe that President Trump is trying to
cut that. And we saw Speaker Johnson come out and
say we've cut a lot of waste, and I appreciate that.
(32:35):
It's just like you said, it's ingrained and it has
to be ripped out by the roots and will they
have enough time. That's why we have to continue this
America First movement of people who are trying to make
sure that the people come first and that the people
are still we the people and not we the politicians.
But that is going to be a hard thing to do.
(32:55):
Before you go, I want you to talk a little
bit about your wines because I know you know you've
got a wine brand, and I want to plug that
for the people so that they know where to get that.
You yourself have had such a fabulous story, such a
fabulous comeback story, so I want to give you a
chance to talk about what you're doing now.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Well, thank you too. Do Yeah. I'm actually in the
wine and the pizza business and the wine side of it.
We've been in business now three years. We import our
wine from Armenia, which is the civilization where the wine
first began. It was first rediscovered, I should say in Armenia.
It's the oldest vineyards in the world and we've been
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in business now three years. Last year we were in
four hundred locations. This year we're in thirty five hundred
locations and growing nationwide. We now have a non alcoholic
wine for people who want to enjoy wine but don't
want the alcohol in it. So we're really progressing and
you know, people are enjoying it. They're loving it. You
(33:54):
can buy it online Director Consumer on all major retail
outlets now holding it. So I'm excited about it. Listen,
it's what this country is about. You know, we're a
capitalist nation and if we can you know, invest our
time and our funds in the meantime, you know, we're
providing something a service to consumers. We're putting people to work.
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That's how this country grew, you know, by doing that.
We're a capitalist nation. We don't want you know, the
government feeding us everything. We don't want to have to,
you know, depend upon the government for every facet of
our lives because that gives them ultimate control over us,
and we don't want it that. We want to obey
the laws because we want to protect society. We have
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to have laws, but we also want to be our own,
live on our own and enjoy our lives, and that's
what this nation has always afforded us. And to see
it corrupted the way we are seeing it now in
the hands of people that all they care about is
themselves and making money and enjoying the purpose and the
power that we the people have afforded them, it's very frightening.
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And I don't know the solution. I wish I did,
but I think somebody like Donald Trump understands that he
cherishes this country. It's given him the opportunity to be
a wealthy guy, and I think he wants to see
that for everybody, and hope, hopefully you know that continues.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I think your story is a true gift. I mean,
I think you have a perspective having gone through what
you did and coming out of it and changing who
you are. Those stories are critical for us to become
better and constantly be out there doing more. So I appreciate,
I always appreciate having you on. I could actually probably
talk to you for another hour, but Michael Frenzies, thank
(35:34):
you so much for spending some time with me today.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Tudor, thanks for having me and any time I appreciate
what you're doing, and I support you one hundred percent,
so I'm available anytime you need me.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Thank you so much, Thank you, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this
episode and others, go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com,
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next time. Have a blessed day.
Welcome back to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We've got Michael
Francis with us here today. You probably remember we had
him on Notorious Mob Boss went to prison just so
happens to have been in the same cell as Jeffrey Epstein.
So I wanted to have you back to chat about
all things politics, but also of course that we have
(00:22):
to cover that.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm good to go, Tutor, all.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Right, awesome. So I saw that you were saying that
you don't think it's possible to have committed suicide in
that cell. Obviously we've been looking at what's going on here.
There's this weird missing part of the tapes because the
cameras mysteriously went out at the same time as the
guards fell asleep. But you were in that cell, So
(00:47):
tell us a little bit about what that cell actually was.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Like, Yeah, there always seems to be something mysteriously missing
when it's for other people's convenience, But that wasn't my
experience spending you know, several months in that same tier
in that cell, and you know, first of all, you know,
this this perfect storm of the cameras going down and
the correctional officers not walking the tier. I never experienced
(01:14):
that tutor, and I was in lockdown for quite I
spent twenty nine months in lockdown, so I have a
lot of experience being in solitary, and that's what that
tier is all about. And I've never witnessed anything like that.
Number One, the correctional officers are always walking the tier.
As a matter of fact, I've said this many times,
not to be offensive, but you know, you're trying to
(01:34):
use the toilet and they're opening the door looking in
on you constantly.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And I heard you say that. I thought that was
interesting because I think that, you know, we've never been
in prison before. You think solitary is like you're by
yourself and people bring you food and it's on a
schedule and you are kind of alone. But to hear
you talk about the fact that you're just kind of
on display all the time, and I thought of that
as where he who was it? Debbie Wasserman Shultu came
(02:04):
out and was like, all these people that go to
these holding centers, they have to brush their teeth while
they go to the bathroom, Like you're literally being watched
while you go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Absolutely, I mean it's not constantly. Don't get me wrong
that every time you know you do that they're watching you,
But quite often they do, because they check on you
a lot, especially if you're a high profile inmate like
I was, So I know the drill, you know, And
there was times when I was next to the Menendez brothers,
they were checking on us all the time. We didn't
have any and this that was in a different facility.
(02:35):
Don't get me wrong, but I'm saying if you're a
high profile inmate, especially, they're always checking on you. And
you know the.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Cameras is on suicide watch.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah he was prior to this, he was on suicide
Watch for a while, so I know that they're going
to be giving him, give him even more attention, you know.
So to say that they weren't watching, or they fell asleep,
or they were playing online shopping whatever they claimed they
were doing, and then the can down at the same time,
and then there's it just doesn't make sense to there.
(03:04):
And again, you know, I've said I have no horse
in this race. It doesn't matter to me either way
would happen. But I just cannot believe that all of
these things happened and nobody happened. Nobody knows what happened
with Epstein. That's number one. Number two, I don't know
how he can commit suicide in that cell. I really don't.
You'd have to be I've said this so many times, midget,
(03:27):
you know, to try to do it, because there's really
nothing you can hang yourself from. You know, it doesn't
make anything.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Say that there was a window high up and that
there were bars on the window.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, you know what. So on, you know, you're still
it's still difficult. And he didn't do it from the window.
They claimed he did it from the bedpost. So they
showed the actual place where he did it from the bedpost,
and you'd have to be trying to lay on the
ground and pulling it yourself to try to choke yourself.
There's just no way you can do it. You couldn't
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do that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
That is the because we talked to his attorney, Alan
Dershowitz about this, and he said, I think that he
had to have had help from inside the prison, that
somebody had to have helped him do this. And we said, well, okay,
so how long was this sentence. I didn't have a
whole lot of details on this case. So that's why
I wanted to talk to Dershowitz, and he said he
(04:21):
hadn't been sentenced yet. He could have potentially been getting bail,
he could have been getting out. And he was like,
that's the weird thing. I don't know why he killed himself,
but he said, you know, these guys who've lived this
high profile life, in this very you know, high falutint life.
He's had at anything he's ever wanted, private jets, he's
got beautiful homes. Maybe it was just too much for him.
(04:42):
I mean, what's your take on that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I don't believe that. Also, because you know, number one,
he had skated an issue once before. Number two I believe,
you know, just according to the information that's come out.
I mean, this guy had videotapes on high profile people.
He had people that he was definitely bribing, starting back
with that Les Wexner. You know, I believe he felt
(05:07):
he'd get out of it again. Why would he commit suicide.
The guy's been skating this for twenty some odd years,
all of a sudden, now it's not going to happen.
It just doesn't make sense. And yeah, I do believe
that if there wasn't suicide, somebody had to come and
assist him with that. There's no way he could have
done it alone. Tutor. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's really weird. But I mean, the timing of all
of this coming out and these attacks on the president,
it seems like a great distraction from what the president's
doing right now. And to be honest, I think that
a lot of people have used this story to divide people.
And is it worth dividing people on a story that
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is this old when you have so many good things
happening with the country.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, you know, my only issue with that, Tutor. Of course,
the people on the left neglect to say that this
whole investigation was done during the Biden administration and nothing
came out then. But obviously that's conveniently forgotten because any
time they can attack Trump, they will. But you know,
I think the important issue here is I had a
fellow by nay name of Paul Hutchinson on my podcast,
(06:18):
and he was the one in the movie Sound of Freedom.
He financed the movie. He was also it was his
character that went and rescued those fifty one or fifty
two young girls at that time that was seen in
the movie. He's dedicated past ten years of his life
to helping these sex trafficking victims, and some of the
things he told me, tutor was just so atrocious, the
(06:41):
way they treat these young girls, the way they have
a menu of, you know, sexual services that these young
girls will perform for money. And you know this, Epstein
was at the height of this, and there were other
elitist people involved in this, people with power, and we
have to stop this. These people have to be held
accountable for abusing young children, both male and female. So well, okay,
(07:05):
is yeah, I mean this has to come out. You
can't just sweep this under the road.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So let's get into that a little bit. Because you've
been talking about you've been out there talking about George
Soros and what he's been doing with these prosecutors and
the folks that he's gotten elected and news and all
these guys you're talking about trafficking. You are from New York.
You guys have in New York. They just through the primary.
(07:31):
They have a new candidate for mayor. He is pro
sex work. He wants to legalize sex work. Essentially, if
you legalize sex work, what you just talked about is
legal you can own people and sell them and sell
their services. This is like sex slavery. There's this weird
(07:54):
thing on the left where they're like, oh, women should
be able to use whatever they want to make money.
It's never the woman that's making money off of this.
You end up with a guy who is selling women
and owning women, and you have Epstein legal. I mean,
what in the world is happening?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know, I hate to say, it's my hometown and
I love the state, but I don't know if they're
losing their collective minds, you know, on the left to
put somebody like this, a socialist who's really really on
the socialist side, I don't know. I don't I can't
even respond to this. It's so it's so insane. It's
(08:33):
so insane. I don't know where we're going in this country, Tutor.
I really mean it that a guy with his background,
his beliefs can actually become, you know, mayor of the
biggest city in the country, you know, a position that
can vault you into, you know, the top tier of politics.
I don't get it, you know, I really don't, But
(08:53):
I can tell you this, it's horrific. With this human
trafficking of young of young male and female it's it's horrific,
and it's it's happening at a big level all over
the world, and not primarily, but a major part of
it is happening here in the United States.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think if there were more awareness about it, if
we were actually to you know, these cases, they're hard.
It's hard to bring awareness because people are under age,
so you can't really expose a lot of these cases.
I don't think people realize that we are the second
highest sex trafficking nation in the in the world, so
when you look at the United States, and certainly having
(09:31):
an open border has been a part of that. But
I do think that you talk about politics, I think
it's been interesting to listen to the way you talk
about politics because you talk about this as like this
is similar to how a mob family is set up.
There's different levels, there's so you have an insight that
we don't have. And when I got into the political world,
(09:53):
I was like, man, this is it's really hard to
break in and and the corruption is incredibly strong, to
the point where just recently one of my relatives was
meeting with someone who has been in on the Democrat
side four years and she said to this person, how
could Tutor have possibly broken into this like it's not
(10:14):
open to the public. I mean, essentially the answer was
it's not open to anybody, which I was naively thinking
that in this country it is open to anybody. And
truly I've proven that it is, but the political elites
do not think it is. So how have you explained
a little bit about how you've seen the mob organization
(10:38):
work and how you see that in the political structure
as well.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, you know, Tutor, there's and all saying absolute power
corrupts absolutely and I saw it in the street in
the mob. You know, look, we had certain codes and
rules and policies there and if you break them, you know,
the consequences could be very severe of those policies for
political reasons being broken and people suffered as a result
(11:05):
of that. I see the same thing in government. You know,
people want to maintain power, that's it. And you know,
forget Democrat Republican. But I think it's been highlighted over
the past four or five six years where we've seen
the Department of Justice go after its political enemies, where
we see, you know, power try to limit power on
the other side, and we see it more today than
(11:27):
anywhere else. So this is like mob families fighting over
one another, fighting to stay in control and to stay
in power. All we hear now, you know, is negativity
from both sides. And this is supposed to be a
Congress that's working on behalf of the people, not working
on behalf of one another. They're supposed to be working
together to try to you know, to solve issues and
(11:50):
try to make this country better. But instead they're working
against one another to try to maintain power. And that's
how it is on the street, and it's so obvious.
And now they'relling out all stops by weaponizing, you know,
the Department of Justice, the FBI, using the tools that
they have to conquer the other side. So the American
people now are there in the background. It's all about
(12:12):
them maintaining power so that they can they can, uh,
you know, put their power upon us and put their
policies upon us.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Look, we even look with the you know, the last
election with Kamala Harris being installed, the Democrats didn't even
have an opportunity to choose a candidate. Now that's not
supposed to happen. They're not supposed to install somebody and
say Okay, this is going to be the person that
we're putting up there for president. So and that's just
one example. And I'm not trying to go Republican Democrat
(12:42):
because it happens on both sides. But in the last
four or five years, we've seen this power. It's like
two mob families fighting for territory, fighting for power, fight
to maintain control. It's so obvious to me because I
saw it. I'll be honest with you, it wasn't It
wasn't as in your face. Back then, politicians tried to
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do something shady. They didn't want to be out there.
But now it's like they don't tear anymore. They're just
out there and they're shame. We want to be in control. Period.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So I will say, I feel
like we're seeing this right now on the Republican side.
In Texas, everybody loved Ken Paxton. He was this great
attorney general. He was suing Joe Biden and his administration
(13:34):
and they were lifting him up. And so Ken Paxton
was kind of like the MAGA person in Texas, and
people felt like John Cornyn was kind of the old Republican.
And then Ken Paxton comes out and he's running for Senate.
And there were a lot of people that said you
shouldn't run against an incumbent suddenly, and let me tell
(13:54):
you, you don't. I don't think that Ken Paxton would announce
a campaign and run for office if he thought that
his family was going to have a public blow up.
But somehow, in the midst of this, his wife puts
out a statement saying that she's been this to These
terrible things from their marriage have come to light, and
(14:16):
she's divorcing him. He has to publicly respond, and everything
looks very much like someone in the other political camp
went to her and destroyed their lives. And my problem
with this is here you have our own side. You
have two people that talk about being Christians, talk about faith,
(14:38):
and they go to the heart of the family and
break it apart. That's pretty twisted.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, it is a tutor, but there again they forget
that this isn't about the American people anymore and about
the country. It's about getting into power and getting into control.
It's so obvious to me sitting back, It's like, you know,
it's again, it's mob families warring among one another to
(15:06):
maintain power. You know, you go on social media and
you have people all they do is k not the
other person on the other side of the aisle. They
don't offer anything to the American people. They don't. They
don't do anything positive. It's just knocking everything that the
other side does. And look, I'll give perfect examples. You
have Elizabeth Warren, you have Adam Shift every single day. Unfortunately,
(15:29):
they're in my feed and all they do is not
calling Trump. They don't offer anything positive to the people,
you know, and why because they want him out of
power so that they can get back in power. And
what do they do when they get back in power.
They impose their will on us. Hey, you're gonna do this.
You're going to we're gonna lock down for COVID, You're
going to pay more taxes. You're going to do this,
(15:50):
you know. And it's another thing I tell the American people.
I said, listen, with thirty six trillion dollars in debt
and counting every minute, we didn't do that. Irresponsible government
did that. They ran up the bill and now they're
imposing it on us to try to fix it. Well,
you have to pay our taxs. Well, you know, it's
just so unfair. It's gotten so out of control. I
(16:11):
don't know what the solution is. But again, when you
think of the nationally, you think of our debt being
thirty six trillion dollars and our leadership that we put
our trust in, they caused that. It wasn't us, It
wasn't the American people. American people are starving because we
have to carry that debt.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Through side deals and sketchy business dealings. And this is
all as you said, power corrupts, and there's no check
on this power. That's the weird thing, because there's no
When you're an elected official, the bosses are the people,
and you can get re elected, and there's nobody. The
Ethics Committee. I mean, for years, the Ethics Committee was
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the one that was saying, Okay, this is how much
taxpayer money we'll use to settle this issue so the
American people don't don't know about it. It wasn't about
exposing it to the American people. It was protecting the
people in Congress and where there are millions of dollars
of taxpayer money that have gone to people who were
harmed by someone in Congress and that was hidden. And
(17:13):
that to me, that to me is where Republicans right
now should be saying, hey, that congressional slush fund, that
we still have people in Congress who took money from
us to cover up their sins, the bad things that
they did, the sexual abuse, the children that they harmed,
those those are the that's the list I want. I
(17:34):
want the list of people who took taxpayer money to
cover up their own offenses.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Tuty is so right on that, you really are, you know,
but so much of this stuff is hidden from us.
We don't know what's going on. You know, to think that,
you know, the IRS will go after somebody because they
didn't pay ten thousand dollars in taxes. You meanwhile, where
they're paying the taxes to or abusing the money left
them right and putting us in debt while they were earning,
while earning and living good lives. And look I went through,
(18:04):
you know, I spoke in front of the Senate you know,
staff and a number of senators were there. It was
the anniversary of nine to eleven, and they took me
on the tour. I mean, these people don't even get
wet in the rain. They've got every perk available to them.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
They're like every one of them is like a mini prince.
You know, they have a staff. I don't think people
realize there's so many perks. All your meals are you
get to go out to fancy dinners all the time.
You are treated like you're much much more of an
elite than anyone else in the country.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah. And the problem is, do you think we could
ever reverse this? The answer to me is no, I
don't think we ever can. So where does it ultimately lead?
You know, I've never in my seventy four years and
I've never seen this this divisive and this bad. And
I don't know if there's a solution. I think America
is headed in in a very difficult direction. If this continues,
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and every day it's worse, it's worse. I mean, they
just keep butting heads and screaming at one another and
trying to maintain power. And I think Trump is I
do believe, you know that Trump is trying to get
this country in order. I really do believe that nobody
is perfect. There's going to be mistakes along the way.
We understand that, but I believe he's really trying to
(19:23):
bring this country back. Whether he can do it or not,
you know, it's a huge task.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It's been interesting to watch because his approval rating. In fact,
just on CNN today they came out and they said
his approval rating is even going higher, you know, offer
all these attacks, even some of these right wing, hardcore
right wing influencers who have been attacking him lately, his
approval rating across the nation just goes to show Twitter
(19:51):
is not real life. His approval rating keeps going higher.
So he's in the among Republicans, he's over ninety percent
right now. He's doing a great job, happy with what
he's doing. It's interesting to watch the Democrats right now
because this past week they had Zoron Mamdani in DC
and he was meeting with a bunch of people, and
(20:12):
certainly that's been kind of a highlight of what's happening
in the Democrat Party right now because he has made
the comment sees the means of production. He says he's
a socialist. His statements are communist. I talked about him
wanting to decriminalize sex work. He has also said that
he also voted against protecting people from revenge porn. Those
(20:37):
two things together are to me very dangerous for women
in the city of New York. But also is this
the direction that Democrats are wanting to go? And Democrats
are struggling with it. Hakim Jeffries doesn't know what to do.
They've got this guy who they are now in a
position where you have to make a decision. It's not
(20:58):
a small city. It's probably the most important financial city
in the world. It is one of the most important
cities in the country. This guy would be running I mean,
it's it's he's similar to what you would be running
the government. You know, he's running the government for New
York City. And he's a young guy. He's talked about
(21:20):
how if he runs out of money, his parents will
just fund him. He's never run anything, he's never been
a part of a business, he's never had a job
as a part of a business. And he speaks in
all of these bizarre socialist slash slash communist terms, and
yet the Democrat Party is going, well, you know, I'm
(21:41):
going to endorse him. Rocanna, who has prided himself on
being more of a moderate, he came out and endorsed him,
and they said, well, what about this, what about this?
What about this, and he said, I don't agree with
him on those things, but you put your name on
his campaign, You put your name to him and said
you agree with that. You once you've said I'm for him,
(22:03):
you have to be all in. So what does that
mean for the Democrat Party and watching this love fest
in New York for someone who is so radically anti American,
how does that jive for the Democrats going forward in
the midterms and in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, here's what I think. I think that you know,
they've totally lost their way as a party and they're
doubling down on all the wrong things. And this is
the ultimate double down on this Mondami because look, you know,
they've taken up the cause of illegal migrants coming back
into this country. They went after that fellow Garcia and
(22:39):
made him a hero until they found out who he
really was all about. They just anybody that they believe
is getting attention and maybe taking attention away from the
Republican Party, from away from Trump. That's who they're doubling
down and going after. They just don't have a direction.
They don't have a good candidate, they don't have direction
(23:00):
to go into. So anybody that seems to attract attention,
and people like what, we're jumping to that person, even
if it's a socialist, the communist or whatever, even if
they have ridiculous policies, insane policies, because Tutor, all their
policies are insane. And that's why, you know, Trump's approval
ratings are going up, because the sane people in this country,
(23:22):
in Middle America and every whales, and there's many of them,
you know, are saying, this is so radical. We can't
accept this. I mean, we can't accept gender affirming surgery
for our children, you know. In California finally, you know,
I mean, Newsom passes a bill where these kids at
eleven twelve years old can have sex changes and the
parents don't know about it. This is demonic, it's insanity.
(23:46):
And the Democratic Party seems to double down on all
of these crazy issues. And I think that most of
the same people in this country, and most people are saying,
we can't accept this. You I don't know, you know,
I don't know what's happening to my people in New York.
I just hope. I mean, look, Clomo was not a
(24:07):
good candidate to run against him. He's got too much baggage.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
In his past, he would decriminalize sex work too.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
From exactly exactly, but I want to say, you know,
we need a two party system in this country. We
don't want a one party system, a three party system even.
We need to have choices in that regard, but we
got to also have good candidates on the democratic side.
Where are they who would you look at and vote for.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. You brought up something interesting and
I want to go there just for a second, because
you brought up these surgeries, the transgender surgeries. And I
heard something this morning last week. Doctor McCarey came out
(24:52):
and he is the head of the FDA. Right, I'm yes,
So doctor Marty McCarey came out and he said that
they've been some research and they found that women who
have their ovaries removed have a much higher risk of
heart attack. And he said, in fact, we found a
young woman who was in her twenties who had her
ovaries removed and had died of a heart attack at
(25:15):
twenty six. And his point was not about transgender surgeries,
but he was saying, you know, we've been looking at
this hormone replacement therapy, and we found that in women
who are going through menopause, it's very important that they
have hormone replacement therapy because it seems as though estrogen
is protecting the heart in women. And it made me think,
(25:35):
here's that's true science. And here we have doctors who
are removing the ovaries of young girls, giving hysterectomies to
seventeen eighteen year old girls. This is criminal to me.
And yet when we talk about it, the Democrat Party
is in this world now where it's like upside down
(25:58):
is right side up and vice versa. You can't have
a real conversation.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I wrote an op ed about a situation that we
had in our foundry, and this is the frustration that
I have today, because we had in twenty ten, we
had ice raid our factory and take out one of
our longtime employees. He'd work there before we even bought
the company. And it was devastating and it was a
(26:23):
horrible situation. And Obama was president and when we tried
to go to immigration and hire an immigration attorney, they
were like, you know what, it's the law. And he
broke the law and there's nothing we can do. And
back then, no matter what party you were in, if
you broke the law, it meant something, and today it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No. You know again, I just don't understand. They're on
the wrong side of every single issue. Common sense wise,
not Democrat Republic, it's just common sense. Look, you're an
illegal migrant in this country. You know, I think I
don't think any of us want to see, you know,
families torn apart. If there's illegal immigrants here that are working,
(27:05):
paying their taxes and trying to do the right thing.
I would love to see them have a path to citizenship,
and I think most people would. Nobody's against them. But
we have to get Sometimes because an issue has gone
so far, you know, overboard, you have to bring it back.
During that time, some people are going to suffer. You know,
We've got to get it. And I tell people all
(27:26):
the time, why are we at this point? This is
Congress's fault. Again. They haven't come up with it. They
haven't come up with a good policy that makes sense.
And you know, again, it's the people that suffer for
it when they don't do their job. They're blaming this,
they're blaming Trump, They're blaming by everybody's to blame except
the people that really deserve to blame, and that's Congress
(27:48):
to come up with a good immigration policy that makes
sense that people can follow that doesn't you know, hurt
one side or the other. But they don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And I'll end on this. You've talked about Whitman. She's
the governor here in the state of Michigan, and she's
just been exposed for taking twenty million dollars of taxpayer
money giving it to a longtime donor of hers. She
actually appointed this woman to the Business Development Board, which
is an outside private organization that is appointed by the governor.
(28:21):
She appointed her president, and then they decided that some
of the money that would go to businesses to recruit
them to the state of Michigan. They gave her twenty
million to create an incubator company that would create other businesses.
It had never existed before. The money was in many
cases not all spent, but it was spent on like
(28:43):
tens of thousands of dollars on first class tickets overseas.
They bought a five thousand dollars coffeemaker. This woman is
taking an over five hundred thousand dollars a year salary.
Out of this, no businesses have been created. Now there's
conversation that is being exposed between the governor and this
(29:04):
woman's office, like, hey, we're going to get this money
for you. To me, this is top of the line corruption.
These things have got to be exposed because states like
ours cannot we can't recruit new businesses if we're going
to be giving money to all of the politicians' friends.
And as you pointed out, this is happening on both sides.
(29:27):
When you just give us a little idea, because you've,
like I said, you've compared this to the mob, tell
me how you see business having to interact with government
from the perspective of what you saw the mob doing,
because you said, in the mob you own people. I mean,
you own politicians, you own police. You you're familiar with this.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
No, absolutely, you know. Look, you know I can say
it was guilty myself. There was a gentleman that had
a Chevrolet dealership and he always say a bad gambler,
and he got in trouble with some of my people,
and he owed several hundred thousand dollars and I took
over his cheval a agency because he couldn't pay the bill,
(30:10):
and you know, and look, we allowed him to continue
to get in debt. We didn't cut him off and say, hey,
you know, this has to stop now. We let him,
you know, destroy himself, and then we took over his agency.
I mean, it's the same. Look, it's a different manner
in which the government works. They feed one another and
(30:31):
then you know, they put money in their pockets, and
they put money in their friends pockets and their relatives pocket. Meanwhile,
this stealing this money from taxpayers, This is theft. This
is not where taxpayers money is supposed to go. This
stealing it, you know, they absolutely are. And you know,
the only way to stop this, tutor would never happen.
(30:52):
Of course, it's ridiculous for me to even say it.
But if every taxpayer got up and said, we're not
paying on taxes anymore, end of story, lock us up.
Well they couldn't do that, obviously, correct, but it would
be the only way. When you cut the money stream off,
then people listen. If the government didn't have our money
to play with anymore and to abuse anymore, well then
(31:13):
this would stop. But of course it's not going to happen.
There's no other way to get this under control because
it's going to continue. Look, I just read I don't
know if it's true or not, but I just read
that AOC is worth twenty two million dollars. She's in
Congress five years.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
She has I think she has denied that, but we
certainly know that Nancy Pelosi has her her financial situation
has skyrocketed. But that's the thing We've watched multiple people.
It's like, you're not supposed to be making money outside
of your salary, but they go in to government and
they come out very, very wealthy, and where is that
(31:51):
money coming from. I also, I mean, I have a
strong feeling about people who have been lobbyists going into
government and vice versa coming out government and becoming lobbyists.
You're if you were making money off of the government,
then you will continue to make money off of the
government if you decide to go back into the government.
I just think that's that can't be trusted because that's
(32:13):
what you did. The political world has become a place
where whether you're speaking about it, or you're involved in it,
or you're selling to it, you are there is just
massive money on the line. And I think that's what
I mean, I believe that President Trump is trying to
cut that. And we saw Speaker Johnson come out and
say we've cut a lot of waste, and I appreciate that.
(32:35):
It's just like you said, it's ingrained and it has
to be ripped out by the roots and will they
have enough time. That's why we have to continue this
America First movement of people who are trying to make
sure that the people come first and that the people
are still we the people and not we the politicians.
But that is going to be a hard thing to do.
(32:55):
Before you go, I want you to talk a little
bit about your wines because I know you know you've
got a wine brand, and I want to plug that
for the people so that they know where to get that.
You yourself have had such a fabulous story, such a
fabulous comeback story, so I want to give you a
chance to talk about what you're doing now.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Well, thank you too. Do Yeah. I'm actually in the
wine and the pizza business and the wine side of it.
We've been in business now three years. We import our
wine from Armenia, which is the civilization where the wine
first began. It was first rediscovered, I should say in Armenia.
It's the oldest vineyards in the world and we've been
(33:34):
in business now three years. Last year we were in
four hundred locations. This year we're in thirty five hundred
locations and growing nationwide. We now have a non alcoholic
wine for people who want to enjoy wine but don't
want the alcohol in it. So we're really progressing and
you know, people are enjoying it. They're loving it. You
(33:54):
can buy it online Director Consumer on all major retail
outlets now holding it. So I'm excited about it. Listen,
it's what this country is about. You know, we're a
capitalist nation and if we can you know, invest our
time and our funds in the meantime, you know, we're
providing something a service to consumers. We're putting people to work.
(34:15):
That's how this country grew, you know, by doing that.
We're a capitalist nation. We don't want you know, the
government feeding us everything. We don't want to have to,
you know, depend upon the government for every facet of
our lives because that gives them ultimate control over us,
and we don't want it that. We want to obey
the laws because we want to protect society. We have
(34:36):
to have laws, but we also want to be our own,
live on our own and enjoy our lives, and that's
what this nation has always afforded us. And to see
it corrupted the way we are seeing it now in
the hands of people that all they care about is
themselves and making money and enjoying the purpose and the
power that we the people have afforded them, it's very frightening.
(34:57):
And I don't know the solution. I wish I did,
but I think somebody like Donald Trump understands that he
cherishes this country. It's given him the opportunity to be
a wealthy guy, and I think he wants to see
that for everybody, and hope, hopefully you know that continues.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I think your story is a true gift. I mean,
I think you have a perspective having gone through what
you did and coming out of it and changing who
you are. Those stories are critical for us to become
better and constantly be out there doing more. So I appreciate,
I always appreciate having you on. I could actually probably
talk to you for another hour, but Michael Frenzies, thank
(35:34):
you so much for spending some time with me today.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Tudor, thanks for having me and any time I appreciate
what you're doing, and I support you one hundred percent,
so I'm available anytime you need me.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Thank you so much, Thank you, and thank you all
for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this
episode and others, go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com,
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or watch the whole thing
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next time. Have a blessed day.
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