In this episode, Tudor and Secretary of Education Linda McMahon discuss a landmark resolution with the University of Pennsylvania regarding Title IX and women’s sports. The agreement, prompted by cases like swimmer Riley Gaines’, restores records to female athletes and mandates biology-based definitions for competition. McMahon emphasizes the importance of fairness, federal compliance, and protecting opportunities for women. The episode underscores the Trump administration’s commitment to upholding Title IX and signals a strong stance against allowing biological men to compete in women’s sports, setting a precedent for universities nationwide. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We have heard for so long promises made, promises kept,
and I am so proud to say that I have
the United States Secretary of Education, Linda McMahon back with
me today to talk about one of those promises made,
promises kept.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Secretary, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Thank you, Tutor. It's a pleasure to be with you
again today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well, I am so excited about why you're here because
you have a big announcement. Just last night you announced
that you have something happening with the University of Pennsylvania,
and I'm going to let you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, I'm very excited and happy to announce what I
think is is really a landmark case in a victory
for the president for the Trump administration, because he announced,
you know, or he talked about it when he was campaigning,
how unfair he thought it was that men participated in
women's swords. So one of the first things he did
(00:53):
early February when he came into office, so it was
to sign this executive order about men not being able
to play in women's sports. And shortly thereafter a day
or two, I can say that the Office of Civil
Rights here with the Department of Education took up that.
Mantle and An investigated the University of Pennsylvania. Now that
(01:14):
had been you know, on the docket if you will,
during the Biden administration, but the Biden administration didn't do
anything about it. They just kind of ignored it. But
we decided this was something we absolutely should take up.
This was the case if you recall where Riley Gains
was competing against Leah Thomas and swimming at the University
(01:36):
of Pennsylvania and tied with Leah in their race, and
Riley left without a trophy, but she competed against a
man that she should have gotten. If it had been
a woman, she would have been far ahead in that race.
So that really became a landmark case, you know, for
(01:58):
discussion in the country, one that we focused then on
with the University of Pennsylvania. And then Paula Scanlon, who
also was on the swimming team and testified before Congress.
You know that the women on the team were actually
given psychological counseling on how to change in their intimate
spaces and locker rooms in front of men.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That is shocking, It is that was shocking. It is
clearly unfair.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It flies in the face of common sense, and it
is a clear violation of Title nin and so our
investigation and through our negotiations back and forth with the
University of Pennsylvania, they signed the resolution and now men
will not compete in women's sports at the University of Pennsylvania.
(02:44):
They have also agreed to send a letter of apology
to the women who were on the sports teams that
men played against. They you know, they've also agreed that
they're going to send notification to any of the people
that they deal with, contractors or whatever that this is
how the University of Pennsylvania is going to do business.
(03:05):
So I am really very very pleased with this outcome,
and it's a great victory for women to compete against
women in their sports. You know, women and girls fought
so hard for Title nind to be able to have
access to sports and to be able to have access
to the comparable training rooms, et cetera. And then to
(03:27):
have that kind of yanked out from under them by
this interpretation of sideline was just wrong. And I'm very
happy you know where we are today.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, and Madam Secretary, I just want to say that
as we saw Donald Trump building his cabinet, I knew
that he had picked the right person when he put
you in charge of the Department of Ed, because I
knew you would be a champion for girls. I know
what sports mean to you, and I know what fairness
means to you. And as you were just talking about this,
and you're saying these girls underwent psychological testing, I mean, really,
(03:59):
what we're taught talking about is a university behind the
scenes that was using psychological techniques to almost brainwash these
women into saying this is acceptable. You need to accept
this and put yourself aside. This is a clear violation
of Title nine. And this is just the beginning. But
I am so impressed that here we are, just really
(04:21):
a few months into this administration, and you have already
been able to accomplish this. This announcement to me is
very big. I'm a mother of four girls.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To me, this is a huge announcement coming out of
the Department of ED.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, it certainly is. And if Donald Trump had not
been elected president, you would not see this action being taken.
But as I said, he campaigned on this, he was
true to his word, and when he had the signing
of this executive order in the East Room in the
White House. He was surrounded by girls and women of
all ages, and he was very proud to assign this
(04:56):
executive order. And I'm really pleased with the investigation that
we have undertaken and that the University of Pennsylvania. Hopefully
this settlement and this agreement will become kind of their
prototype for the universities to come on board and to
make sure that they are adhering or you know, we
will continue investigating other universities just like we did Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is this connected to federal funding? Why why have they
agreed to this?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Because to me, when I look at this and I
say they're going to restore all records, titles, and any
recognition to female athletes that were taken from them by
male athletes, that is something I think all of us thought.
No matter what happens, the records are permanently damaged. And
how can any woman compete against the past when the
past is not accurate? And yet you have accomplished this,
(05:47):
you will restore that in this agreement. How did you
get them to agree to this?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, certainly the big club is federal funding, and there
was approximately one hundred and seventy five million dollars at
so and so, now that funding of which came you know,
from a couple of different agencies other than the Department
of Education, you know, will be restored. Predominant amount of
it was from AJHS. So we're we're happy that that
(06:14):
funding will be restored. But also we are saying we
mean business and the federal government does have the right
to withhold funding if you're not in compliance, and we
will not take any of those tools off the table.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think that's something that we need to make sure
people understand because there will be criticism, Oh, this is
some sort of extortion. You only get this money if
you do this. This is protecting women. I mean Title
nine has been in effect since the seventies, and yet
we are still here today in twenty twenty five fighting
for it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I want to be clear, this is if.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You cannot comply with law, you cannot have the taxpayers money.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Isn't that correct? Correct?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We definitely are very serious about enforcing Title nine. It
is the law, and girls shouldn't have to be competing
in sports in which they are afraid they're going to
be hurt or they know that it's not a level
playing field. Boys are bigger and stronger and faster, and
they have an unfair advantage. And also, you know, they
(07:18):
need to feel safe in the sorts that they're competing against,
not worried are they going to get their face smashed
by volleyball or you know that other things are going
to be happening to them. I mean, Stephanie Turner took
a knee rather than participate in her fencing competition. She
was going to be competing against the boy and she
knew that was not fair, and she was afraid and
(07:39):
she took a knee. Women and girls should not be
put in those positions. We fought so hard with Title nine,
you know, to gain access to women's sports in a
fair playing field than and equal training facilities. And now
to just have that kind of yanked way for this
interpretation is wrong. The courts have ruled that it's wrong
(08:01):
and the Title nine should be interpreted as Britain that
women have access to their sources, facilities, et cetera. And
it's based on sex.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So this is kind of a landmark agreement that you
have with the University of Pennsylvania. I mean, we're even
talking about they now have to accept biology based definitions
for the words male and female.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
To me, that is groundbreaking.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And I say that knowing that ten years ago that
would be a ridiculous statement, but that's where we are today.
But I say that also knowing that this is one
school of many. So how does the Department of Ed
tackle the entire country that has gone woke and has
taken away sports from so many women and trophies from
(08:45):
so many women.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well, hopefully this landmark case with the University of Pennsylvania
is going to be the roadmap for other universities to follow.
And they don't know we're serious because there is a
fair amount of federal money for many of these universities,
and if they are receiving federal funding, then they have
to know that that funding can be frozen or taken
(09:08):
away if they are not in compliance with the law.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What was it like when you were able to sit
down with some of these female athletes like Riley Gaines
and say this is what's going to happen. You're going
to be there alongside us when we make this announcement.
Riley has fought so hard for this. I know that
the other women that were there as well. Paula has
also fought so hard for this.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
What was their reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well, I know that they are thrilled to know that
finally action has been taken and that their messaging has
not gone in vain. All of the miles they've traveled,
all the interviews that they have done, all of the
counseling that they have done to young women and two
girls has not been in vain, and that they now
(09:53):
have some not just wind at their back, they certainly
have been confirmed that they were on the right track
and that their motives and their actions are justified.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Absolutely, so, I just want to reiterate this is a
landmark agreement that we're announcing today.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This is just fresh off of the press. Really, this
is just happening, breaking news.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The University of Pennsylvania will restore all records, titles, and
recognitions to female athletes. They will issue a public statement
that says they will comply with Title nine and that
it will be specifically to they won't allow men to
compete in women's sports. They will also adopt biology based
definitions for the words male and female. They will rescind
(10:39):
all guidance that violates our air or is inconsistent with
Title nine, and they will send personalized apology letters to
each swimmer, each female swimmer who was impacted by this.
Secretary McMahon, you did this. You and President Trump, I
know you will keep fighting. This is a a huge
(11:01):
moment for women across the country, but it's a huge
moment for this administration. I just want to close getting
your feelings on what it's like to be a part
of this and stand next to the President in such
an important moment.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, it's incredibly exciting to be able to do exactly
what he said he was going to do. And I
want to commend the Department of Education and our Office
of Civil Rights for working so hard on this investigation
and for developing this agreement with the University of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Absolutely, we cannot be more thrilled. I'm so glad that
you came on today to share it with us. Thank
you so much, Secretary Linda McMahon.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It was so nice to have Secretary Linda McMahon joining
us today to share this important information. But I want
to thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon podcast too. For this episode and others. Go to
Tutor disonpodcast dot com. You can subscribe right there or
go over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever
you get your podcasts, and be sure to check out
(12:04):
the full video on Rumble and YouTube at Tutor Dixon.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have
a Blest day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We have heard for so long promises made, promises kept,
and I am so proud to say that I have
the United States Secretary of Education, Linda McMahon back with
me today to talk about one of those promises made,
promises kept.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Secretary, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Thank you, Tutor. It's a pleasure to be with you
again today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well, I am so excited about why you're here because
you have a big announcement. Just last night you announced
that you have something happening with the University of Pennsylvania,
and I'm going to let you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, I'm very excited and happy to announce what I
think is is really a landmark case in a victory
for the president for the Trump administration, because he announced,
you know, or he talked about it when he was campaigning,
how unfair he thought it was that men participated in
women's swords. So one of the first things he did
(00:53):
early February when he came into office, so it was
to sign this executive order about men not being able
to play in women's sports. And shortly thereafter a day
or two, I can say that the Office of Civil
Rights here with the Department of Education took up that.
Mantle and An investigated the University of Pennsylvania. Now that
(01:14):
had been you know, on the docket if you will,
during the Biden administration, but the Biden administration didn't do
anything about it. They just kind of ignored it. But
we decided this was something we absolutely should take up.
This was the case if you recall where Riley Gains
was competing against Leah Thomas and swimming at the University
(01:36):
of Pennsylvania and tied with Leah in their race, and
Riley left without a trophy, but she competed against a
man that she should have gotten. If it had been
a woman, she would have been far ahead in that race.
So that really became a landmark case, you know, for
(01:58):
discussion in the country, one that we focused then on
with the University of Pennsylvania. And then Paula Scanlon, who
also was on the swimming team and testified before Congress.
You know that the women on the team were actually
given psychological counseling on how to change in their intimate
spaces and locker rooms in front of men.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That is shocking, It is that was shocking. It is
clearly unfair.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It flies in the face of common sense, and it
is a clear violation of Title nin and so our
investigation and through our negotiations back and forth with the
University of Pennsylvania, they signed the resolution and now men
will not compete in women's sports at the University of Pennsylvania.
(02:44):
They have also agreed to send a letter of apology
to the women who were on the sports teams that
men played against. They you know, they've also agreed that
they're going to send notification to any of the people
that they deal with, contractors or whatever that this is
how the University of Pennsylvania is going to do business.
(03:05):
So I am really very very pleased with this outcome,
and it's a great victory for women to compete against
women in their sports. You know, women and girls fought
so hard for Title nind to be able to have
access to sports and to be able to have access
to the comparable training rooms, et cetera. And then to
(03:27):
have that kind of yanked out from under them by
this interpretation of sideline was just wrong. And I'm very
happy you know where we are today.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, and Madam Secretary, I just want to say that
as we saw Donald Trump building his cabinet, I knew
that he had picked the right person when he put
you in charge of the Department of Ed, because I
knew you would be a champion for girls. I know
what sports mean to you, and I know what fairness
means to you. And as you were just talking about this,
and you're saying these girls underwent psychological testing, I mean, really,
(03:59):
what we're taught talking about is a university behind the
scenes that was using psychological techniques to almost brainwash these
women into saying this is acceptable. You need to accept
this and put yourself aside. This is a clear violation
of Title nine. And this is just the beginning. But
I am so impressed that here we are, just really
(04:21):
a few months into this administration, and you have already
been able to accomplish this. This announcement to me is
very big. I'm a mother of four girls.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To me, this is a huge announcement coming out of
the Department of ED.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, it certainly is. And if Donald Trump had not
been elected president, you would not see this action being taken.
But as I said, he campaigned on this, he was
true to his word, and when he had the signing
of this executive order in the East Room in the
White House. He was surrounded by girls and women of
all ages, and he was very proud to assign this
(04:56):
executive order. And I'm really pleased with the investigation that
we have undertaken and that the University of Pennsylvania. Hopefully
this settlement and this agreement will become kind of their
prototype for the universities to come on board and to
make sure that they are adhering or you know, we
will continue investigating other universities just like we did Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is this connected to federal funding? Why why have they
agreed to this?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Because to me, when I look at this and I
say they're going to restore all records, titles, and any
recognition to female athletes that were taken from them by
male athletes, that is something I think all of us thought.
No matter what happens, the records are permanently damaged. And
how can any woman compete against the past when the
past is not accurate? And yet you have accomplished this,
(05:47):
you will restore that in this agreement. How did you
get them to agree to this?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, certainly the big club is federal funding, and there
was approximately one hundred and seventy five million dollars at
so and so, now that funding of which came you know,
from a couple of different agencies other than the Department
of Education, you know, will be restored. Predominant amount of
it was from AJHS. So we're we're happy that that
(06:14):
funding will be restored. But also we are saying we
mean business and the federal government does have the right
to withhold funding if you're not in compliance, and we
will not take any of those tools off the table.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think that's something that we need to make sure
people understand because there will be criticism, Oh, this is
some sort of extortion. You only get this money if
you do this. This is protecting women. I mean Title
nine has been in effect since the seventies, and yet
we are still here today in twenty twenty five fighting
for it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I want to be clear, this is if.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You cannot comply with law, you cannot have the taxpayers money.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Isn't that correct? Correct?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We definitely are very serious about enforcing Title nine. It
is the law, and girls shouldn't have to be competing
in sports in which they are afraid they're going to
be hurt or they know that it's not a level
playing field. Boys are bigger and stronger and faster, and
they have an unfair advantage. And also, you know, they
(07:18):
need to feel safe in the sorts that they're competing against,
not worried are they going to get their face smashed
by volleyball or you know that other things are going
to be happening to them. I mean, Stephanie Turner took
a knee rather than participate in her fencing competition. She
was going to be competing against the boy and she
knew that was not fair, and she was afraid and
(07:39):
she took a knee. Women and girls should not be
put in those positions. We fought so hard with Title nine,
you know, to gain access to women's sports in a
fair playing field than and equal training facilities. And now
to just have that kind of yanked way for this
interpretation is wrong. The courts have ruled that it's wrong
(08:01):
and the Title nine should be interpreted as Britain that
women have access to their sources, facilities, et cetera. And
it's based on sex.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So this is kind of a landmark agreement that you
have with the University of Pennsylvania. I mean, we're even
talking about they now have to accept biology based definitions
for the words male and female.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
To me, that is groundbreaking.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And I say that knowing that ten years ago that
would be a ridiculous statement, but that's where we are today.
But I say that also knowing that this is one
school of many. So how does the Department of Ed
tackle the entire country that has gone woke and has
taken away sports from so many women and trophies from
(08:45):
so many women.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well, hopefully this landmark case with the University of Pennsylvania
is going to be the roadmap for other universities to follow.
And they don't know we're serious because there is a
fair amount of federal money for many of these universities,
and if they are receiving federal funding, then they have
to know that that funding can be frozen or taken
(09:08):
away if they are not in compliance with the law.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What was it like when you were able to sit
down with some of these female athletes like Riley Gaines
and say this is what's going to happen. You're going
to be there alongside us when we make this announcement.
Riley has fought so hard for this. I know that
the other women that were there as well. Paula has
also fought so hard for this.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
What was their reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well, I know that they are thrilled to know that
finally action has been taken and that their messaging has
not gone in vain. All of the miles they've traveled,
all the interviews that they have done, all of the
counseling that they have done to young women and two
girls has not been in vain, and that they now
(09:53):
have some not just wind at their back, they certainly
have been confirmed that they were on the right track
and that their motives and their actions are justified.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Absolutely, so, I just want to reiterate this is a
landmark agreement that we're announcing today.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
This is just fresh off of the press. Really, this
is just happening, breaking news.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The University of Pennsylvania will restore all records, titles, and
recognitions to female athletes. They will issue a public statement
that says they will comply with Title nine and that
it will be specifically to they won't allow men to
compete in women's sports. They will also adopt biology based
definitions for the words male and female. They will rescind
(10:39):
all guidance that violates our air or is inconsistent with
Title nine, and they will send personalized apology letters to
each swimmer, each female swimmer who was impacted by this.
Secretary McMahon, you did this. You and President Trump, I
know you will keep fighting. This is a a huge
(11:01):
moment for women across the country, but it's a huge
moment for this administration. I just want to close getting
your feelings on what it's like to be a part
of this and stand next to the President in such
an important moment.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, it's incredibly exciting to be able to do exactly
what he said he was going to do. And I
want to commend the Department of Education and our Office
of Civil Rights for working so hard on this investigation
and for developing this agreement with the University of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Absolutely, we cannot be more thrilled. I'm so glad that
you came on today to share it with us. Thank
you so much, Secretary Linda McMahon.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It was so nice to have Secretary Linda McMahon joining
us today to share this important information. But I want
to thank you all for joining us on the Tutor
Dixon podcast too. For this episode and others. Go to
Tutor disonpodcast dot com. You can subscribe right there or
go over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever
you get your podcasts, and be sure to check out
(12:04):
the full video on Rumble and YouTube at Tutor Dixon.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have
a Blest day.
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