On this episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast, Nebraska Attorney General Mike Hilgers exposes the growing threats posed by foreign surveillance technology—especially from Chinese companies—and what it means for American privacy and national security. From everyday devices like baby monitors to popular apps such as TikTok, Hilgers warns how consumer technology can be weaponized for espionage, data harvesting, and misinformation campaigns. He underscores the urgent need for federal action and stronger safeguards while urging individuals to stay vigilant about the products and platforms they trust. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So I just want
to ask if any of you have ever felt like
there was somebody watching you, watching what you're doing in
your house. I know we all had those baby monitors
when our kids were little. I had baby monitors all
over the house because I had four kids, and there
was a part of me that was like, is it
just me that is watching on these baby monitors. Well,
(00:23):
we have Attorney General Mike Hilger's with us today to
tell us, no, it's not. It's not just you and
your family. Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Great to be here, Thanks for having me, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So tell us what is going on. Honestly, I heard
the story. I'm like, Okay, the Nebraska ag is on
top of what's happening. China is now in our kids'
bedrooms watching us, And I got to tell you I
heard this and I said, what are they getting out
of this? I mean, these are some of my worst
moments in the middle of the night walking into my
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kids room and being like, why are you wake again?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, it's a good question.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Although I would tell you China is probably number one
in the world in terms of using surveillance of their citizens.
For evil purposes. So I can't necessarily put myself in
their shoes, but I do know that it's not going
to be good.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Although too, I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You can't put yourself in their shoes. That actually that
was comforting.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, well, I'm in the four kid club like you,
and I know those days. And so sometimes you think
what can they get? But the truth is those monitors
can actually capture some of the most intimate and private
moments of our lives that if you actually have them
across you know, millions of people in the United States,
some of whom have very prominent jobs, have access to
really critical infrastructure. It can be it could be actually
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probably more information than maybe we would think. But this
is actually part of a broader team I think tutor
where you have Chinese based companies that are selling consumer
products or services. So in this case it's this baby
monitor we'll talk about. In other cases it's services like
Timu or even TikTok, where they are telling American consumers
one thing that these are safe, that they're that they're
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secure the private, when in fact they are there anything
but And so in this case, we have a company
by the name of Lorex. They sell these baby monitors
and other surveillance equipment. By the way, so also other
home surveillance. If you have something that's monitoring the external
part of your house, maybe your backyard. They make those
kinds of products and they tell they tell you online
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that they are safe and they're secure, and they take
every step that they can to keep your information private.
The problem is, and that's by the way, that's great,
and a lot of home security companies do the same thing.
The problem is that this company uses for its hardware
and software back end Chinese hardware manufactured by Chinese company
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that we now have significant ties to the Chinese military
and as on the FCC list as having enormous back
end security issues, and so really create sort of a
gaping privacy loophole for both hackers and also the Chinese government.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, I've always been nervous about having any type of
camera in my home for this exact reason, and the
ring doorbells and all of that. But then you see
what happened just a few weeks ago. It's almost as
if the ring doorbells or the security cameras in the
neighborhood around that Utah University where Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
caught the assassin on camera. So what is the balance here?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, that's that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think when you talk to least Nebraska consumers, or
if I talk to my wife, who's always a good
barometer to these things, I think people are decently comfortable.
I mean they don't maybe necessarily love that you can
get information that sort of shows something indirectly about you
or your life. So think about some of the information
on cell phones or maybe even a ring camera. You know,
ring camera gets part of a public street, you know,
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so whatever's on the public street, maybe that's fair game.
Or maybe if you can get track a little bit
of my movements. I don't love that.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But you know, I think we're willing to accept it
if our phone is going to be tapped into a
wireless system and we're getting some benefit. But I think
the difference here, and I think this is where it's unbalanced, Tutor,
is these are actually these are some of the most
private things that you can have. This is in your home,
private conversations you're having with your spouse, your loved one,
your kids, maybe your good friends were coming over maybe
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work colleagues. Yeah, And even though it's I can't see
what the Chinese can get out of me when I'm
sort of half awake at two in the morning trying
to like put my daughter back to sleep, it's still
it's sort of a breach of privacy that is pretty alarming.
And when you have that kind of information that's flowing
in the aggregate, maybe millions of people flowing to our
greatest geopolitical adversary. I don't know where the balance is,
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but I think that wherever the line is drawn, I
think that's so far over it to be sort of
very objectionable.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, you've watched China come into the United States, and
especially here in Michigan. We've seen they've sent Chinese nationals
to our universities that have brought some potentially biohazardous materials
into the university. We've seen they've tried to buy property
in the state of Michigan right outside of one of
our military bases. We've actually caught students who were at
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the university outside spying on one of our military units
that was training soldiers to protect to protect Taiwan. So
when we think about China, it is very concerning that
they have any type of insight into American life, but
you did say they see things differently, they are monitoring
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for different reasons. I think that's something that the American
people need to understand that having this in your home,
you have to be aware of who is watching, because
it is not just the conversations that you're having or
your interactions with your baby. It is what American life
is like. Because they're propagandists. They're trying to get into
the minds of the next generation and change America fundamentally.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think we've been lolled to sleep a little bit,
say since the end of the Cold War, so that's
I was born gen X late seventies. You know, in
the eighties we had a significant adversary, the Soviet Union.
Everyone sort of understood that was that we're in this
geopolitical race that we had to win or maybe really
bad things were going to happen. I think in the
last twenty or thirty years we've been lulled asleep a
little bit. I think we were the nation of the
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world's only superpower. We haven't had this sort of like
significant geopolitical adversary that both had the will and potentially
the ability to really go after.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The United States in this kind of way.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I think we've also been lulled asleep by a
lot of our consumer companies selling us all these products
and having a flood of cheap Chinese goods over the
last twenty years. I think people have generally sort of
looked at these as, yeah, maybe there's there's something bad happening,
maybe it's maybe it's having some impact on our manufacturing base,
or maybe it's done. You know, maybe maybe there's a
little bit of information there. But I think we're looking
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through the wrong lens. It's a lens that's outdated. It's
a lens that basically assumes that the people who are
selling us products, who are competing with us, have more
or less decent intentions.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And I think what is very.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Clear over the last several years, but very recently in particular,
is that China does not have the best of intentions
when it comes to the United States. And I think
viewing it through that new lens tuitor really I think
hopefully it's a wake up call to Americans like we
are in a significant competition and they're using and all
of the they're using every resource that they can, from
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missiles and guns and cyber attacks to or the ability
to conduct cyber attacks, to espionage to maybe these types
of things done at scale that we just need to
be on guard for, need to push back.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
That's something that we haven't really considered, the knowledge of
the American home and the conversations that go along with it.
And then you add in companies like TikTok into that,
and we know that the President just signed an executive
order on TikTok. The administration has come out and said
TikTok will be safe. Now, I think we are still
(07:54):
concerned about whether or not TikTok can actually be safe.
I think that your personal data in TikTok could can
be safe from now on. But something you're saying is
making me think if I had somebody in my home
listening to our conversations, you can kind of listen to
the political battle and get into the culture war. I mean,
(08:15):
just the other day we had someone at our house
who was saying, how could you possibly be supportive of
the Trump administration? Cash Battel was just a podcaster and
now he's running the FBI.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What are you.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Talking about that's not even true, not even close to
being true. And yet this is what is seeping in
through apps like TikTok, like Reddit, those types of places
where misinformation, for a lack of a better term, or
just lies, propaganda, I would say, is going into the
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minds of young Americans. But all ages, all ages. I've
had my mom come over to my house and say,
you know, I saw this, this is this video. This
is terrible. I'm like, that's not that is not real.
On both sides there there's just a infiltration of propaganda
into the United States. There is no better propaganda. There
(09:07):
are no better propagandas in the world than communists. That's
how they get into power. That's what they do. That's
the whole platform that they run on, is to get
into the minds of people with their propaganda. If you
have a Chinese company, which we know Chinese companies are
connected to the CCP, the CCP wants to know how
to cause chaos in the United States. They want to
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be the world power. They want to take over. If
they can get to the younger generation, or if they
can even just split Americans and you've seen a great split,
a great divide in America right now. I mean honestly,
I was reading the notes for this podcast, and I said,
if this guy is a Republican, the minute he says this,
you know, there's going to be all these liberal women
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that are going to put cameras all over their house
and be like, here's what I'm doing. You know, that's
just how it is. Like that's how divided we are.
I watch these women downing tailan on like the next thing,
you know, they're going to be like, here's my bank account,
look in the camera. You know, like this is how
divided we are. But that's how China works. And I
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don't think people, I think you're so spot on when
you said that, I'm the same age as you. It
was exactly the same story. Was like the Soviet Union's bad.
We all knew it was bad. It was in our schools,
we were told about it. Now the propaganda is so strong,
it's even in our elementary schools, in our high schools.
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Nobody is talking about the fact that China is a threat.
And when they do say China is the biggest threat
to the United States, the media does not talk about it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Boy Tudor, I could not agree more with everything you
just said. I mean, part of this conversation is about
what kind of information China can get from us. But
the other part of it, to your point, is what
kind of information are they pushing to us? And let
me give you a very very very alarming example, and
that is in the TikTok. You sort of touched on
that TikTok for the misinformation, which is absolutely true. But
let me give you a part of another part of
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what TikTok has done, which is really poison our youth.
And this is actually part of another lawsuit that we
have filed. And if you go to if you sign
up as a ten year old boy or girl on TikTok,
and we had investigators do this. They signed up these
accounts within minutes. The algorithm was so powerful. With then minutes.
We had an example of an account for a twelve
year old girl. Within minutes, tutor that account the videos
(11:28):
without doing any searching or anything else. They were getting videos.
They were pretty poisonous. They had to do with pornography,
glorifying drug use, suicidal ideation, how to hide suicide from
your parents, and if you go to so all these
things that we know are caught driving mental health issues
for our young people. And if you go to China,
we've used TikTok in China. Actually none of that's available.
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You can't use it during the school day. And they
shove video, they really poor videos about patriotism and productivity
and working hard and positivity, all these things. And so
it's really a national security issue for the reasons you
just sayd which is flooding this information that's really either
poisoning our discourse. And I saw the same tile in
all videos that you saw, just sort of mind boggling
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or really influencing our youth in a way that we
have to wake up to and we have to fight
back against.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. We had a state senator who
is running for US Senate post a video on Twitter
or she posted a post on Twitter saying or ex
whatever we call it now, saying if you have to
(12:37):
take Thailand all during your pregnancy, you should take it
as recommended. It's safe. This don't listen to the Trump administration.
And I think the boldness imagine if the Biden administration
had come out. I mean, we saw the Biden administration
come out and say kids should take vaccines even though
there was no I mean, now you see the experts
(12:59):
saying these kids don't have to have the COVID vaccine.
They were all about the minute the Biden administration said
newborns should be getting the COVID vaccine, they were all
about it. But the minute you have Harvard Studies, studies
from Johns Hopkins saying, you know what, this needs to
be looked at, don't take too much tailan on when
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you're pregnant. You've got a state senator with no medical
degree coming out and just parroting anything on the other side.
And I do believe that this is where China thrives.
They have gotten into the minds of these people. I mean,
I was just on Newsmax and I was watching they
had this woman who was Colin First's ex wife, whoever
(13:42):
that is, you know, we don't know who she is,
but she's making news because she received an award from
the government in the UK and she's ripping it up
because they had Trump over there give I mean, this
is definitely because they have had this stuff fed to them.
And that's because I do believe that as you are
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trying to take over another country, as you were trying
to cause chaos. The best way of understanding that country
is to be in the homes of the people, to
learn how they interact, to hear the families talking to
one another, to be there for their early mornings, for bedtime.
Those conversations are had right in front of those monitors,
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right in front of the alexa, right in front of
the ring cam. You know, all of those conversations. I mean,
you've got kids in bed, you go out on the
front porch to have a business conversation, you're right in
front of your camera. I just think we don't even
think about the fact that those conversations give China such
an insight into how to divide, how to get into
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the minds of Americans. Because they're in our deepest conversations,
they're in our minds. They don't know how to manipulate
our minds.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Boy, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Let me take you two points one on your point
about saying listen to the FDA. That is like a
little there's a through line on the left where they
try to destroy institutions that are issuing opinions that they
don't agree with. And you've seen it, maybe most prominently
with the Supreme Court. Once there was a conservative majority
on the court.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
What do they do.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
They've they've tried, you know, Center White House and others
have tried to slowly delegitimize the Court. And I think
when you take out these institutions like they're trying to
do with the FDA like that has a long, very
long term, significant harm that I think we're going to
have to wrestle with for a long time to come,
and really weakens our ability from a national security perspective
or internally to really be nimble and respond to big problems.
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The other thing, I think the layer on to your
point about looking at the cameras, I think people don't
fully appreciate, appreciate the technological tools that are now available
to nation state, especially in the AI realm. So there's
there's probably not someone I hope not sitting in China
looking at my baby monitor and saying, what if Mike
seeing it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And she's breastfeeding.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But but it is certainly true that they'd have the
capability to sort of aggregate millions of data points across
their entire whatever ecosystem that they're pulling from whether it's
TMU technology where they're getting access to or text they
can get access to text messages in your microphone, or
or lo rex where they can actually get access to
some of these your surveillance videos and the audio on
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your home security.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Cameras, or or TikTok and being able.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
To have the technological tools to pull all that information together,
aggregate it, both understand it and then manipulate to your
point too or I think I think sometimes people fail
to appreciate how far the technological advances have gone and
what they what they can do. So it kind of
changed the conversation a little bit when you're like, Wow,
it's the big deal of them seeing me at two
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in the morning. Well, actually, there's a really significant deal
of them being able to see the patterns and trends
of Americans throughout their day to day lives throughout the
country to do it for the kind of thing that
you're describing.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So how does this work? Even though I mean, I
also feel like when I'm on my cell phone, anybody
can be listening, and I think that was the concern
when everybody was saying TikTok is such a dangerous app TikTok.
We my understanding, And as you said, I don't know
how this technology works. It's so far beyond what our
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generation had growing up. I mean I remember my mom
picking up the phone in the house and saying, get off.
That was the technology we had, you know, It's like,
this is so far beyond. So I don't know what
to think. And when I hear if you have TikTok,
it can go through your phone and it can hear
your conversations, I get concerned about that. But how many
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other apps do I download on a daily basis that
are not made in the United States. I don't even
I don't even really think about it. You know, we
assume this is in my purse, it's in my house,
it's my it's my phone, so it's safe. But how
do you how do you protect yourself? How do you
know when you I mean, you talk about these baby monitors.
But as a parent, I mean, I'm not going to
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have a baby monitor again because I don't have little kids.
But if you're a new parent or you're a grandparent,
your kids are buying baby monitors, how do you find
something that's safe and still doing the job.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's it's a great question, and I think I think
education is maybe the most important way to fight back
against this, and that's partly what we're trying to do
because I think most parents, what first, My kids are
now out of the crib years, But I know what
that's It wasn't that long ago. You're very busy, you're
running around, you don't have hours every day to sort
of think through what you're all your the nuances of
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every particular consumer.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Choice that you're going to make.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
But I also think there's been an assumption in our
country of like, yeah, maybe there's some data, but the
people getting the data probably large corporations. Maybe I like them,
maybe I don't. But what they're not doing with the data,
because of all the trial lawyers out there willing tossue them,
is taking it for some really nefarious purpose. So we
might joke about, you know, talking about a product our iPhone,
picking it up and then getting ads for that product,
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but for a lot of people that feels maybe intrusive,
but somewhat benign. And I guess what we're trying to
tell people is just maybe change your assumptions, you know,
don't just assume everyone who's loading things on your phone
is doing so with with really good.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
How do you look at it? I mean you have
the app Store and I guess there's information there that
we don't necessarily read. We just click yes, download that
little cloud with the aero. Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, first you should subscribe to the alerts from the
Nebraska Attorney General's Office because we have been trying to
go against these companies Tea who is a good example,
toud little plug, EMU, they will seam who is a
great example. When you sign up on the app Store's
it will say what kind of data it's getting, and
it's very limited what it tells you. But what we
found is once it hewnloads on your phone, the software
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recompiles and it can get access to pretty much anything
on your phone, everything from your keystrokes to your text
messages to your audio.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So part of it is being a.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Little strokes, so they literally have your passwords.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's really that is what That's what our investigation is
down so far shown so far. Yeah, so it's it
can get a lot of information. So part of it
is being aware of some of these some of these
that maybe not every maybe start with an assumption that
oh maybe maybe not trust, but verify, but maybe sort
of do a little diligence beforehand. If they're domestic, if
they're local companies and their brand names. I think generally speaking,
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you're probably okay. I don't think Amazon is putting out
apps that are going to send your information.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think people think of Timu as a brand name.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I think that's right, that's part of it. I
think you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think in this case we've been trying to push
against that because of the Chinese I certainly anything that
has a Chinese manufacturing base as a tiny Chinese tie
of any kind, I would strongly recommend people not download
the app unless they've done some additional diligence.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You have to pay so much
attention because even if you aren't downloading the app, some
of these places that the quality of their stuff everything,
and they are getting your address, they're sending things to
your house, They're monitoring what they're sending to your house.
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I say you have to be careful because a few
years ago, my girls came home and they were like, oh,
we're we have cash app on their phones in case
they need to get something when they're out with friends
and they come home and they're like, oh, we ordered
all this stuff from Sheen, And I was like, I
don't know this, Sheen, what is this? They had doubt
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they had gotten into this. They didn't download it, they
got into the website, they ordered all this stuff. This
was the worst quality stuff I have ever seen. But
also it's all coming from China. I don't then you
start seeing these articles that there's chemicals in these clothes.
I mean, we really don't know when it's coming over
directly from the manufacturer. I think, like you know, if
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you order from j CRW and they're getting some of
their stuff in they have a quality control system. You
have to explain to your kids. Timu and all and
Sheen in all these places, all these Ali Baba places,
they are vendors that are not monitored by the United States.
They do not go through the same care and scrutiny
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that our products go through.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's exactly right, and I in fact, some of them
can be tied to slave labor in China. In addition
to some of these national security national security issues that
we've been talking a little bit about. I mean, maybe
one test tutor as a starting point is that if
they existed when you and I were kids, if they're
a brand that exists in the eighties, they're fine. You know,
if you get a Jcpenny app or you know, I
(22:35):
guess Seers or Kmart aren't around in the same way
that I was really younger.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Whoa, we do have a j. C. Penny which I
do shop at, but I have our Seers died in
our Camark Kmart. Nobody remembers Kmart. That's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Hey we're bringing it back.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But but I will say this, I mean part of
the challenge is, I mean, look, we have all the
inflation are inflation from the Biden years. People are being
being stretched and still feeling the impact of the increase
of all the costs from twenty twenty post COVID, and
so I understand the human impulse to say, hey, this
is a little cheaper. I've got to save some money
from my family, whether it's gene or TIMU or anything else.
(23:14):
It can't be that bad. And I'm just going to
make this in the moment decision. And that's a very
very rational and understandable thing. And I think what we try,
we have to try to do as much as we can,
whether it's do podcasts like yours, using your voice and platform,
using my voice and platform. Is just to try to
spread the known risks. Timu is one, Lorex is another,
and just start to educate people as much as we
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can that this is actually a bigger issue for both
for them and their family because a lot of people
don't want to be spied on. They don't want hackers
to be able to access the homes, their baby monitors,
their home security networks. But it also is a bigger
issue for the country. And I don't know any other
better way than to sue the bad guys when they're
doing wrong things and try to elevate these issues with
the voice and platform that we have.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But it's hard when you have irates over in China,
and that's something that I think people don't understand either.
As someone who had a steel foundry, and we know
that China took the majority of those steel castings for
that steel casting business from the United States, and then
our customers went there, Oh this is so much less expensive,
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same thing on a bigger corporate scale, so much less expensive,
and then their products were being re engineered and then
reverse engineered and then stolen and made over there. Now
we're seeing that same thing at some of these companies
like Timu and Sheen. My daughter had a brand that
(24:38):
saw a faith brand sweatshirt that says you are a
child of God on the back, and it was a
very popular sweatshirt. But in the United States, it's a
small company that makes the sweatshirts and they're about sixty
five to seventy dollars. Her friend came over one day,
exact same sweatshirt. She's like, I got this on Sheen
for six dollars and ninety nine cents. That is all.
(25:01):
How do you manage that when another country is pirating
your products and selling them like they're the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well, and we saw that with Timu.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
We actually found that they were selling local brands in Nebraska,
very prominent brands, ones like Runzo, which you've probably never
heard of. It's a very big deal in Nebraska, Nebraska
football creating Blue Jays. We saw that and it is
a little bit of a whack a mole and it's
very difficult, especially for a small business. I mean, I
think if you're going to zoom out to do and
think about really how to try to solve these types
of problems. Number One, I think we actually have to
do better about making sure that we're not fighting over
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Thailand all during pregnancy and having we need to have
people who are the people who are taking tail and
all and doing TikTok videos while they're pregnant, like actually
maybe put that aside and start thinking about the bigger
problems that are facing our country. Secondly, I do think
there's probably a pretty significant federal component here. I mean
a lot of what we're talking about, our import controls,
you know, import export issues, what's coming into our country.
(25:55):
Also maybe some reforms of some Section two thirty or
some of these other things that I have given some
of these online platforms a little of an immunity, uh
in some of these contents, not necessarily selling up the products.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But that's part of this. I think.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I do think if it's probably a there's a significant
federal component probably to give more teeth on the import
side to help really shut down some of these because
they got it. That's once they get into the United
States and they're in the stream of commerce. It's very
difficult for anyone, including the Nebraska Attorney general to completely
stop them. I mean, you could play whack themle and
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you could do some things, but to really stop the problem,
I think there's a federal component here.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
All right. So you said we should follow you to
figure out what's happening in this world. So tell people
where they can follow you.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, probably the best place is on X. My Kilgers
is my what X handle x X account. I don't
know what the what the word is now, I'm like you,
I'm still trying to I know, I know it's X,
and I think I still say tweet, but I don't
know anyway, So Mike.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Kill I do say tweet. I mean, it's very hard
to change us world.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's right, that's right, that's right, And then you get
the Nebraska that's probably the best and most efficient way.
Just follow me on X and whenever we're suing these
bad guys, we'll let people know or we do consumer alerts,
and any consumer alert that happens in Nebraska really is
relevant to the rest of the country because these are
national these are national brands.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
All right. Well, Nebraska Attorney General Mike Hilgers, thank you
so much for being on the two.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's great to be on here. Thanks Tudor so.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Much, absolutely, and thank you all for listening. As always,
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Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So I just want
to ask if any of you have ever felt like
there was somebody watching you, watching what you're doing in
your house. I know we all had those baby monitors
when our kids were little. I had baby monitors all
over the house because I had four kids, and there
was a part of me that was like, is it
just me that is watching on these baby monitors. Well,
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we have Attorney General Mike Hilger's with us today to
tell us, no, it's not. It's not just you and
your family. Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Great to be here, Thanks for having me, Tutor.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So tell us what is going on. Honestly, I heard
the story. I'm like, Okay, the Nebraska ag is on
top of what's happening. China is now in our kids'
bedrooms watching us, And I got to tell you I
heard this and I said, what are they getting out
of this? I mean, these are some of my worst
moments in the middle of the night walking into my
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kids room and being like, why are you wake again?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, it's a good question.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Although I would tell you China is probably number one
in the world in terms of using surveillance of their citizens.
For evil purposes. So I can't necessarily put myself in
their shoes, but I do know that it's not going
to be good.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Although too, I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You can't put yourself in their shoes. That actually that
was comforting.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, well, I'm in the four kid club like you,
and I know those days. And so sometimes you think
what can they get? But the truth is those monitors
can actually capture some of the most intimate and private
moments of our lives that if you actually have them
across you know, millions of people in the United States,
some of whom have very prominent jobs, have access to
really critical infrastructure. It can be it could be actually
(01:39):
probably more information than maybe we would think. But this
is actually part of a broader team I think tutor
where you have Chinese based companies that are selling consumer
products or services. So in this case it's this baby
monitor we'll talk about. In other cases it's services like
Timu or even TikTok, where they are telling American consumers
one thing that these are safe, that they're that they're
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secure the private, when in fact they are there anything
but And so in this case, we have a company
by the name of Lorex. They sell these baby monitors
and other surveillance equipment. By the way, so also other
home surveillance. If you have something that's monitoring the external
part of your house, maybe your backyard. They make those
kinds of products and they tell they tell you online
(02:22):
that they are safe and they're secure, and they take
every step that they can to keep your information private.
The problem is, and that's by the way, that's great,
and a lot of home security companies do the same thing.
The problem is that this company uses for its hardware
and software back end Chinese hardware manufactured by Chinese company
(02:42):
that we now have significant ties to the Chinese military
and as on the FCC list as having enormous back
end security issues, and so really create sort of a
gaping privacy loophole for both hackers and also the Chinese government.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, I've always been nervous about having any type of
camera in my home for this exact reason, and the
ring doorbells and all of that. But then you see
what happened just a few weeks ago. It's almost as
if the ring doorbells or the security cameras in the
neighborhood around that Utah University where Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
caught the assassin on camera. So what is the balance here?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, that's that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think when you talk to least Nebraska consumers, or
if I talk to my wife, who's always a good
barometer to these things, I think people are decently comfortable.
I mean they don't maybe necessarily love that you can
get information that sort of shows something indirectly about you
or your life. So think about some of the information
on cell phones or maybe even a ring camera. You know,
ring camera gets part of a public street, you know,
(03:45):
so whatever's on the public street, maybe that's fair game.
Or maybe if you can get track a little bit
of my movements. I don't love that.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But you know, I think we're willing to accept it
if our phone is going to be tapped into a
wireless system and we're getting some benefit. But I think
the difference here, and I think this is where it's unbalanced, Tutor,
is these are actually these are some of the most
private things that you can have. This is in your home,
private conversations you're having with your spouse, your loved one,
your kids, maybe your good friends were coming over maybe
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work colleagues. Yeah, And even though it's I can't see
what the Chinese can get out of me when I'm
sort of half awake at two in the morning trying
to like put my daughter back to sleep, it's still
it's sort of a breach of privacy that is pretty alarming.
And when you have that kind of information that's flowing
in the aggregate, maybe millions of people flowing to our
greatest geopolitical adversary. I don't know where the balance is,
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but I think that wherever the line is drawn, I
think that's so far over it to be sort of
very objectionable.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, you've watched China come into the United States, and
especially here in Michigan. We've seen they've sent Chinese nationals
to our universities that have brought some potentially biohazardous materials
into the university. We've seen they've tried to buy property
in the state of Michigan right outside of one of
our military bases. We've actually caught students who were at
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the university outside spying on one of our military units
that was training soldiers to protect to protect Taiwan. So
when we think about China, it is very concerning that
they have any type of insight into American life, but
you did say they see things differently, they are monitoring
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for different reasons. I think that's something that the American
people need to understand that having this in your home,
you have to be aware of who is watching, because
it is not just the conversations that you're having or
your interactions with your baby. It is what American life
is like. Because they're propagandists. They're trying to get into
the minds of the next generation and change America fundamentally.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think we've been lolled to sleep a little bit,
say since the end of the Cold War, so that's
I was born gen X late seventies. You know, in
the eighties we had a significant adversary, the Soviet Union.
Everyone sort of understood that was that we're in this
geopolitical race that we had to win or maybe really
bad things were going to happen. I think in the
last twenty or thirty years we've been lulled asleep a
little bit. I think we were the nation of the
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world's only superpower. We haven't had this sort of like
significant geopolitical adversary that both had the will and potentially
the ability to really go after.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The United States in this kind of way.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I think we've also been lulled asleep by a
lot of our consumer companies selling us all these products
and having a flood of cheap Chinese goods over the
last twenty years. I think people have generally sort of
looked at these as, yeah, maybe there's there's something bad happening,
maybe it's maybe it's having some impact on our manufacturing base,
or maybe it's done. You know, maybe maybe there's a
little bit of information there. But I think we're looking
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through the wrong lens. It's a lens that's outdated. It's
a lens that basically assumes that the people who are
selling us products, who are competing with us, have more
or less decent intentions.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And I think what is very.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Clear over the last several years, but very recently in particular,
is that China does not have the best of intentions
when it comes to the United States. And I think
viewing it through that new lens tuitor really I think
hopefully it's a wake up call to Americans like we
are in a significant competition and they're using and all
of the they're using every resource that they can, from
(07:21):
missiles and guns and cyber attacks to or the ability
to conduct cyber attacks, to espionage to maybe these types
of things done at scale that we just need to
be on guard for, need to push back.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
That's something that we haven't really considered, the knowledge of
the American home and the conversations that go along with it.
And then you add in companies like TikTok into that,
and we know that the President just signed an executive
order on TikTok. The administration has come out and said
TikTok will be safe. Now, I think we are still
(07:54):
concerned about whether or not TikTok can actually be safe.
I think that your personal data in TikTok could can
be safe from now on. But something you're saying is
making me think if I had somebody in my home
listening to our conversations, you can kind of listen to
the political battle and get into the culture war. I mean,
(08:15):
just the other day we had someone at our house
who was saying, how could you possibly be supportive of
the Trump administration? Cash Battel was just a podcaster and
now he's running the FBI.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What are you.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Talking about that's not even true, not even close to
being true. And yet this is what is seeping in
through apps like TikTok, like Reddit, those types of places
where misinformation, for a lack of a better term, or
just lies, propaganda, I would say, is going into the
(08:46):
minds of young Americans. But all ages, all ages. I've
had my mom come over to my house and say,
you know, I saw this, this is this video. This
is terrible. I'm like, that's not that is not real.
On both sides there there's just a infiltration of propaganda
into the United States. There is no better propaganda. There
(09:07):
are no better propagandas in the world than communists. That's
how they get into power. That's what they do. That's
the whole platform that they run on, is to get
into the minds of people with their propaganda. If you
have a Chinese company, which we know Chinese companies are
connected to the CCP, the CCP wants to know how
to cause chaos in the United States. They want to
(09:29):
be the world power. They want to take over. If
they can get to the younger generation, or if they
can even just split Americans and you've seen a great split,
a great divide in America right now. I mean honestly,
I was reading the notes for this podcast, and I said,
if this guy is a Republican, the minute he says this,
you know, there's going to be all these liberal women
(09:51):
that are going to put cameras all over their house
and be like, here's what I'm doing. You know, that's
just how it is. Like that's how divided we are.
I watch these women downing tailan on like the next thing,
you know, they're going to be like, here's my bank account,
look in the camera. You know, like this is how
divided we are. But that's how China works. And I
(10:14):
don't think people, I think you're so spot on when
you said that, I'm the same age as you. It
was exactly the same story. Was like the Soviet Union's bad.
We all knew it was bad. It was in our schools,
we were told about it. Now the propaganda is so strong,
it's even in our elementary schools, in our high schools.
(10:34):
Nobody is talking about the fact that China is a threat.
And when they do say China is the biggest threat
to the United States, the media does not talk about it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Boy Tudor, I could not agree more with everything you
just said. I mean, part of this conversation is about
what kind of information China can get from us. But
the other part of it, to your point, is what
kind of information are they pushing to us? And let
me give you a very very very alarming example, and
that is in the TikTok. You sort of touched on
that TikTok for the misinformation, which is absolutely true. But
let me give you a part of another part of
(11:05):
what TikTok has done, which is really poison our youth.
And this is actually part of another lawsuit that we
have filed. And if you go to if you sign
up as a ten year old boy or girl on TikTok,
and we had investigators do this. They signed up these
accounts within minutes. The algorithm was so powerful. With then minutes.
We had an example of an account for a twelve
year old girl. Within minutes, tutor that account the videos
(11:28):
without doing any searching or anything else. They were getting videos.
They were pretty poisonous. They had to do with pornography,
glorifying drug use, suicidal ideation, how to hide suicide from
your parents, and if you go to so all these
things that we know are caught driving mental health issues
for our young people. And if you go to China,
we've used TikTok in China. Actually none of that's available.
(11:48):
You can't use it during the school day. And they
shove video, they really poor videos about patriotism and productivity
and working hard and positivity, all these things. And so
it's really a national security issue for the reasons you
just sayd which is flooding this information that's really either
poisoning our discourse. And I saw the same tile in
all videos that you saw, just sort of mind boggling
(12:10):
or really influencing our youth in a way that we
have to wake up to and we have to fight
back against.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. We had a state senator who
is running for US Senate post a video on Twitter
or she posted a post on Twitter saying or ex
whatever we call it now, saying if you have to
(12:37):
take Thailand all during your pregnancy, you should take it
as recommended. It's safe. This don't listen to the Trump administration.
And I think the boldness imagine if the Biden administration
had come out. I mean, we saw the Biden administration
come out and say kids should take vaccines even though
there was no I mean, now you see the experts
(12:59):
saying these kids don't have to have the COVID vaccine.
They were all about the minute the Biden administration said
newborns should be getting the COVID vaccine, they were all
about it. But the minute you have Harvard Studies, studies
from Johns Hopkins saying, you know what, this needs to
be looked at, don't take too much tailan on when
(13:19):
you're pregnant. You've got a state senator with no medical
degree coming out and just parroting anything on the other side.
And I do believe that this is where China thrives.
They have gotten into the minds of these people. I mean,
I was just on Newsmax and I was watching they
had this woman who was Colin First's ex wife, whoever
(13:42):
that is, you know, we don't know who she is,
but she's making news because she received an award from
the government in the UK and she's ripping it up
because they had Trump over there give I mean, this
is definitely because they have had this stuff fed to them.
And that's because I do believe that as you are
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trying to take over another country, as you were trying
to cause chaos. The best way of understanding that country
is to be in the homes of the people, to
learn how they interact, to hear the families talking to
one another, to be there for their early mornings, for bedtime.
Those conversations are had right in front of those monitors,
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right in front of the alexa, right in front of
the ring cam. You know, all of those conversations. I mean,
you've got kids in bed, you go out on the
front porch to have a business conversation, you're right in
front of your camera. I just think we don't even
think about the fact that those conversations give China such
an insight into how to divide, how to get into
(14:47):
the minds of Americans. Because they're in our deepest conversations,
they're in our minds. They don't know how to manipulate
our minds.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Boy, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Let me take you two points one on your point
about saying listen to the FDA. That is like a
little there's a through line on the left where they
try to destroy institutions that are issuing opinions that they
don't agree with. And you've seen it, maybe most prominently
with the Supreme Court. Once there was a conservative majority
on the court.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
What do they do.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
They've they've tried, you know, Center White House and others
have tried to slowly delegitimize the Court. And I think
when you take out these institutions like they're trying to
do with the FDA like that has a long, very
long term, significant harm that I think we're going to
have to wrestle with for a long time to come,
and really weakens our ability from a national security perspective
or internally to really be nimble and respond to big problems.
(15:35):
The other thing, I think the layer on to your
point about looking at the cameras, I think people don't
fully appreciate, appreciate the technological tools that are now available
to nation state, especially in the AI realm. So there's
there's probably not someone I hope not sitting in China
looking at my baby monitor and saying, what if Mike
seeing it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And she's breastfeeding.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But but it is certainly true that they'd have the
capability to sort of aggregate millions of data points across
their entire whatever ecosystem that they're pulling from whether it's
TMU technology where they're getting access to or text they
can get access to text messages in your microphone, or
or lo rex where they can actually get access to
some of these your surveillance videos and the audio on
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your home security.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Cameras, or or TikTok and being able.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
To have the technological tools to pull all that information together,
aggregate it, both understand it and then manipulate to your
point too or I think I think sometimes people fail
to appreciate how far the technological advances have gone and
what they what they can do. So it kind of
changed the conversation a little bit when you're like, Wow,
it's the big deal of them seeing me at two
(16:44):
in the morning. Well, actually, there's a really significant deal
of them being able to see the patterns and trends
of Americans throughout their day to day lives throughout the
country to do it for the kind of thing that
you're describing.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So how does this work? Even though I mean, I
also feel like when I'm on my cell phone, anybody
can be listening, and I think that was the concern
when everybody was saying TikTok is such a dangerous app TikTok.
We my understanding, And as you said, I don't know
how this technology works. It's so far beyond what our
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generation had growing up. I mean I remember my mom
picking up the phone in the house and saying, get off.
That was the technology we had, you know, It's like,
this is so far beyond. So I don't know what
to think. And when I hear if you have TikTok,
it can go through your phone and it can hear
your conversations, I get concerned about that. But how many
(17:42):
other apps do I download on a daily basis that
are not made in the United States. I don't even
I don't even really think about it. You know, we
assume this is in my purse, it's in my house,
it's my it's my phone, so it's safe. But how
do you how do you protect yourself? How do you
know when you I mean, you talk about these baby monitors.
But as a parent, I mean, I'm not going to
(18:04):
have a baby monitor again because I don't have little kids.
But if you're a new parent or you're a grandparent,
your kids are buying baby monitors, how do you find
something that's safe and still doing the job.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's it's a great question, and I think I think
education is maybe the most important way to fight back
against this, and that's partly what we're trying to do
because I think most parents, what first, My kids are
now out of the crib years, But I know what
that's It wasn't that long ago. You're very busy, you're
running around, you don't have hours every day to sort
of think through what you're all your the nuances of
(18:38):
every particular consumer.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Choice that you're going to make.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
But I also think there's been an assumption in our
country of like, yeah, maybe there's some data, but the
people getting the data probably large corporations. Maybe I like them,
maybe I don't. But what they're not doing with the data,
because of all the trial lawyers out there willing tossue them,
is taking it for some really nefarious purpose. So we
might joke about, you know, talking about a product our iPhone,
picking it up and then getting ads for that product,
(19:02):
but for a lot of people that feels maybe intrusive,
but somewhat benign. And I guess what we're trying to
tell people is just maybe change your assumptions, you know,
don't just assume everyone who's loading things on your phone
is doing so with with really good.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
How do you look at it? I mean you have
the app Store and I guess there's information there that
we don't necessarily read. We just click yes, download that
little cloud with the aero. Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, first you should subscribe to the alerts from the
Nebraska Attorney General's Office because we have been trying to
go against these companies Tea who is a good example,
toud little plug, EMU, they will seam who is a
great example. When you sign up on the app Store's
it will say what kind of data it's getting, and
it's very limited what it tells you. But what we
found is once it hewnloads on your phone, the software
(19:48):
recompiles and it can get access to pretty much anything
on your phone, everything from your keystrokes to your text
messages to your audio.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
So part of it is being a.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Little strokes, so they literally have your passwords.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's really that is what That's what our investigation is
down so far shown so far. Yeah, so it's it
can get a lot of information. So part of it
is being aware of some of these some of these
that maybe not every maybe start with an assumption that
oh maybe maybe not trust, but verify, but maybe sort
of do a little diligence beforehand. If they're domestic, if
they're local companies and their brand names. I think generally speaking,
(20:22):
you're probably okay. I don't think Amazon is putting out
apps that are going to send your information.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I think people think of Timu as a brand name.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I think that's right, that's part of it. I
think you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think in this case we've been trying to push
against that because of the Chinese I certainly anything that
has a Chinese manufacturing base as a tiny Chinese tie
of any kind, I would strongly recommend people not download
the app unless they've done some additional diligence.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You have to pay so much
attention because even if you aren't downloading the app, some
of these places that the quality of their stuff everything,
and they are getting your address, they're sending things to
your house, They're monitoring what they're sending to your house.
(21:07):
I say you have to be careful because a few
years ago, my girls came home and they were like, oh,
we're we have cash app on their phones in case
they need to get something when they're out with friends
and they come home and they're like, oh, we ordered
all this stuff from Sheen, And I was like, I
don't know this, Sheen, what is this? They had doubt
(21:29):
they had gotten into this. They didn't download it, they
got into the website, they ordered all this stuff. This
was the worst quality stuff I have ever seen. But
also it's all coming from China. I don't then you
start seeing these articles that there's chemicals in these clothes.
I mean, we really don't know when it's coming over
directly from the manufacturer. I think, like you know, if
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you order from j CRW and they're getting some of
their stuff in they have a quality control system. You
have to explain to your kids. Timu and all and
Sheen in all these places, all these Ali Baba places,
they are vendors that are not monitored by the United States.
They do not go through the same care and scrutiny
(22:12):
that our products go through.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's exactly right, and I in fact, some of them
can be tied to slave labor in China. In addition
to some of these national security national security issues that
we've been talking a little bit about. I mean, maybe
one test tutor as a starting point is that if
they existed when you and I were kids, if they're
a brand that exists in the eighties, they're fine. You know,
if you get a Jcpenny app or you know, I
(22:35):
guess Seers or Kmart aren't around in the same way
that I was really younger.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Whoa, we do have a j. C. Penny which I
do shop at, but I have our Seers died in
our Camark Kmart. Nobody remembers Kmart. That's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Hey we're bringing it back.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
But but I will say this, I mean part of
the challenge is, I mean, look, we have all the
inflation are inflation from the Biden years. People are being
being stretched and still feeling the impact of the increase
of all the costs from twenty twenty post COVID, and
so I understand the human impulse to say, hey, this
is a little cheaper. I've got to save some money
from my family, whether it's gene or TIMU or anything else.
(23:14):
It can't be that bad. And I'm just going to
make this in the moment decision. And that's a very
very rational and understandable thing. And I think what we try,
we have to try to do as much as we can,
whether it's do podcasts like yours, using your voice and platform,
using my voice and platform. Is just to try to
spread the known risks. Timu is one, Lorex is another,
and just start to educate people as much as we
(23:35):
can that this is actually a bigger issue for both
for them and their family because a lot of people
don't want to be spied on. They don't want hackers
to be able to access the homes, their baby monitors,
their home security networks. But it also is a bigger
issue for the country. And I don't know any other
better way than to sue the bad guys when they're
doing wrong things and try to elevate these issues with
the voice and platform that we have.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But it's hard when you have irates over in China,
and that's something that I think people don't understand either.
As someone who had a steel foundry, and we know
that China took the majority of those steel castings for
that steel casting business from the United States, and then
our customers went there, Oh this is so much less expensive,
(24:17):
same thing on a bigger corporate scale, so much less expensive,
and then their products were being re engineered and then
reverse engineered and then stolen and made over there. Now
we're seeing that same thing at some of these companies
like Timu and Sheen. My daughter had a brand that
(24:38):
saw a faith brand sweatshirt that says you are a
child of God on the back, and it was a
very popular sweatshirt. But in the United States, it's a
small company that makes the sweatshirts and they're about sixty
five to seventy dollars. Her friend came over one day,
exact same sweatshirt. She's like, I got this on Sheen
for six dollars and ninety nine cents. That is all.
(25:01):
How do you manage that when another country is pirating
your products and selling them like they're the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well, and we saw that with Timu.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
We actually found that they were selling local brands in Nebraska,
very prominent brands, ones like Runzo, which you've probably never
heard of. It's a very big deal in Nebraska, Nebraska
football creating Blue Jays. We saw that and it is
a little bit of a whack a mole and it's
very difficult, especially for a small business. I mean, I
think if you're going to zoom out to do and
think about really how to try to solve these types
of problems. Number One, I think we actually have to
do better about making sure that we're not fighting over
(25:33):
Thailand all during pregnancy and having we need to have
people who are the people who are taking tail and
all and doing TikTok videos while they're pregnant, like actually
maybe put that aside and start thinking about the bigger
problems that are facing our country. Secondly, I do think
there's probably a pretty significant federal component here. I mean
a lot of what we're talking about, our import controls,
you know, import export issues, what's coming into our country.
(25:55):
Also maybe some reforms of some Section two thirty or
some of these other things that I have given some
of these online platforms a little of an immunity, uh
in some of these contents, not necessarily selling up the products.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But that's part of this. I think.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I do think if it's probably a there's a significant
federal component probably to give more teeth on the import
side to help really shut down some of these because
they got it. That's once they get into the United
States and they're in the stream of commerce. It's very
difficult for anyone, including the Nebraska Attorney general to completely
stop them. I mean, you could play whack themle and
(26:27):
you could do some things, but to really stop the problem,
I think there's a federal component here.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
All right. So you said we should follow you to
figure out what's happening in this world. So tell people
where they can follow you.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, probably the best place is on X. My Kilgers
is my what X handle x X account. I don't
know what the what the word is now, I'm like you,
I'm still trying to I know, I know it's X,
and I think I still say tweet, but I don't
know anyway, So Mike.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Kill I do say tweet. I mean, it's very hard
to change us world.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's right, that's right, that's right, And then you get
the Nebraska that's probably the best and most efficient way.
Just follow me on X and whenever we're suing these
bad guys, we'll let people know or we do consumer alerts,
and any consumer alert that happens in Nebraska really is
relevant to the rest of the country because these are
national these are national brands.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
All right. Well, Nebraska Attorney General Mike Hilgers, thank you
so much for being on the two.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's great to be on here. Thanks Tudor so.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Much, absolutely, and thank you all for listening. As always,
you can find this on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts
or wherever you get your podcasts, or you can watch
the full video go over to Rumble or YouTube at
Tutor Dixon and make sure you join us next time.
Have a blessed day.
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