September 30, 2024 • 29 mins
In this episode, Tudor speaks with Gordon Chang about the various threats posed by China, including the influence of communist ideology on American society, the dangers of Chinese manufacturing practices, and the implications of U.S.-China relations. They discuss the erosion of family bonds through policies in Michigan, the corruption in local politics influenced by foreign entities, and the need for Americans to recognize the seriousness of the situation. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We've got a lot
of news to get to. We have Gordon Chang with us.
He is the author of the new book Plan Read
China's Project to Destroy America. It comes out October first,
and it's very fitting timing because we're talking about a
few things today that have to do with One has
to do with China, and the other has to do
with something that is happening in Michigan that I think
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resembles Mao's revolution in China and what we could be
seeing in America if we're not careful. And so I
want to say thank you, thank you Gordon for coming on.
I'm really excited to talk to you about this.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, thank you, Tutor. I'm excited to talk to you,
so thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The reason I want to talk to you about what's
happening in Michigan is because when I talk about it,
people go, oh, gosh, don't overreact, and I don't think
that we're overreacting. So we had the Democrats cut to
the school safety budget when the budget came out in July,
and it was approved by the governor in the fall.
This this is a new supplemental to the budget and
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so this new supplemental to the budget includes school safety,
which was ironic that the Democrats talk about how important
school safety is, but they cut that from the budget,
and I wonder if it was so that they could
slide this in. So in this newest budget they have
a million dollars for what we're calling a snitch line.
They want students to call on this line if their
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parents have an unsecured gun. So last year they and
this may have just gone into effect this year. I
believe it just went into effect at the beginning of
this year. There's a new law in Michigan. If you
have an unsecured gun, you could face criminal charges, and
especially if that gun then goes off and ends up
hurting someone because it was unsecured, you were then responsible.
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So we have these secure storage laws. This has not
really been advertised to the people of Michigan. So instead
they are doing this in schools. They're creating a curriculum,
a curriculum around tattling on your parents. If your parents
have this gun, call this line, tell on your parents.
Have you ever seen anything like.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This before, Well, yes, this is Communist China. Maozatung, the
founder of the People's Republic realized that in order for
him to create loyalty to himself and to the Communist Party,
he needed to break the bonds of the family, and
so he was relentless in doing that. And something like
a snitch line is is very much along that line. Now,
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Mao actually did get his In schools, they forced kids
to talk about their parents, to snitch on them. They
did the same thing with wives against husbands, husbands against wives,
everybody in society to break the bonds of the family.
See Van Fleet, who lived in China during the Cultural Revolution.
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That was that decade from nineteen sixty six to nineteen
seventy six, the most abnormal time in Chinese history. This
was a time where the Communist Party tried to destroy
old society, as they said, but what they really were
trying to do was to destroy civilization. And so ce
van Fleet talks about this and says she sees the
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same things happening in her America today that she saw
during the Cultural Revolution.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And I think that I don't actually think that the
lawmakers that are doing this have this malicious intent right now.
I think that, for lack of a better term, they're
the useful idiots in this situation where people are like, oh, hey,
let's influence these these progressives because they want it sounds nice,
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it sounds nice. These kids are going to keep people safe.
We're going to rely on the kids. But look, this
is what's happening in Michigan and other states, I mean
New York and Iowa. I've seen other states that have
these laws now where I can't even see my child's
medical records after the age of twelve because the child's
in control. The child has to sign it over to
me and let me know certain things about their medical records,
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but I can't be involved in medical decisions. Now. You
have actual curriculum in school that, like you're saying, and
this is what I said yesterday, this is to break
the bonds of family. It is to break families up,
to to pit people against each other. But what does
this do to even the mental health of the children.
Because I can imagine as a child or my own
girls now, who are at these ages fifteen, thirteen, and eleven,
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that if they were to sit through a course that
said mom and dad might be breaking the law. You're
the only ones that can tell the law that mom
and dad have done something. So naughty. What kind of
pressure does that put on kids? Where does society? How
does society break down after all of this?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, it certainly does, because you know, people may say, well,
this is only because of unsecured weapons, but really this
starts society down a long road, and we know where
that road ends, and it ends in the state demanding
obedience from everybody above all else. So this is exceedingly dangerous,
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and especially you know you talk about the medical records
of kids that parents can't see. It again, something to
break the bonds of family. So we know that this
ends in totalitarianism. And I know people will say, oh,
that's really a big step and going too far, but
no it isn't because that's how things were done in
communist China, and so we got to stop it before
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it begins.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, I have a nurse who was telling me that
because of this situation, she has kids who have to
make their own medical decisions. So she said, I have
high school kids that come into my office who have
an STD that must be treated. She said, they don't
want to have that on their insurance because it'll go
to their parents' insurance. But I can't tell the parents
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they have a problem. It has to be treated. So
I have kids that aren't getting care. You can see
how that, over time would break down to I just
need someone else to take care of this. And I
think that's what we've been teaching the next generation is
kind of like, don't talk to your parents, don't rely
on your own expertise in this area, go to the government.
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The government will take care of you. And ultimately I
see a generation of young people who are giving themselves
over in such a trusting way to the government. Well,
the government will pay my bills, the government will take
care of me. We've never been the country that's thought
this way. So when I see a bill like this,
which I like, I said, a lot of these lawmakers
who are making these bills are much younger than me.
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Is there some sort of an influence in some of
our state legislatures coming from communist China or coming from
communist areas, because I know that was something Reagan warned
against with the Soviet Union, Like, you've got to be
aware they're infiltrating the United States. They want to come here.
Are we being naive that there are already forces here
convincing people to do this?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, there are and We can see this in the
Democratic Party in New York State. The Democratic Party in
that state has looked at Chinese Americans as a rich
source of votes. Chinese Americans in that state have very
troubling ties to the Communist Party's United Front Work department.
That's the part of the party that subverts foreign governments
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and front organizations have completely infiltrated New York State, but
especially New York City, and that's why we're seeing, for instance,
the prosecution of London Sun, who is the advisor to
Governor Clomo and the current governor, Kathy Hokel. We're also
witnessing right now prosecutions of foreign influence in the City
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of New York, where the mayor has just been indicted
for his connections with Turkey. Foreign governments realize that they
need to have a friend in the United States, and
they're willing to pay large sums of money and use
other forms of influence, including intimidation. So yes, Communist Party
uses every point of contact to take down our society,
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and it is with for instance, this ghost in your
state and Illinois, they will use that to influence legislators.
There are already allegations of corruption that Goshen tried to
buy local officials in your state, Tutor. They have yet
to be proven because they've just been revealed. But this
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is really going to show the depth of penetration of
the Communist Party into local politics in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, you make a great point. I think it's something
we've been just mostly concerned with. Gosh, do we have
corrupt local officials, But the corruption goes deeper because it's
been the brainchild of communists China to come in and
say we can buy local people. And again, you have
a situation where here we had the local township trustee.
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His property was part of the property that they wanted
to buy. They gave him two million dollars for property
that was worth less than one hundred and fifty thousand.
He was never going to see that kind of money
for his property in the state of Michigan outside of
a Ghoshen coming in and saying, hey, we'll buy this,
but you've got to vote for it. And we don't
know that that conversation actually happened, but they bought it,
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and then he continued to vote to move the project through.
That is classic, a classic sign of corruption. Right, You're
getting two million dollars, you're voting on behalf of the people.
You're telling them this is safe. There's no environmental review.
That's the other thing that has been concerning to me.
These products are coming in, not only being used, not
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only is slave labor being used in China to bring
some of these products in that will make the batteries. So,
first of all, we still we have a problem with
supporting slavery if this company comes to Michigan. But then
what are the dangers of the manufacturing process Because China
doesn't manufacture things the way we do. They're not cleaning
like we are. Why are we trusting this company to
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come into our state onto our watershed?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yes, you know, and we have seen these companies come
in ignore, completely violate environmental rules and destroy the communities
in which they have built their facilities. And they'll try
and do the same thing in Michigan and Illinois if
the local residents let them. But the good news is
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that there's probably nothing. So your worst enemy is a
local resident in the state of Michigan and in the
state of Illinois. But clearly Goshen. Goshen makes these batteries.
Almost every battery that is made in China is made
with forced labor. Now the Goshen says, well, we're going
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to build these batteries in Michigan. Well, they're going to
build them from components from China, which are themselves the
product of forced and slave labor. The terrifiction, the US
Terrifact of nineteen thirty, prohibits the importation into the US
of goods made with forced or slave labor. So there's
a lot that we can do to stop this, but
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we can't stop it if officials have been bought off,
and clearly that has been the case in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, I think that needs to be examined. And that's
you know, we've heard Donald Trump come out and say
that he wants to be aware of what's coming in.
He's talked about tariffs. But I do think that there
is an argument for looking at some American companies that
are in China and vice versa, and how the labor
is being used. Because you don't go to China because
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it's convenient to get your products from China. You go
to China because it's cheap, and if people get out
of line, they get killed. I mean, that's quite I
hate to say that, but it's you're safe if you're
a business there because it is a communist country where
there is no funny business people are scared to death.
They live in fear, there is slave labor. They love
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the fact that they can get cheap labor that is
forced to live in dormitories. And that bothers me that
American companies are over there and there is no one
in DC going I love my iPhone, but is my
iPhone being made in the most positive way possible? Are
we using slave labor in some of these products? And
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you know who knows. I'm not saying that we are,
but I'm saying there are definite reasons to look at
some of these companies when we talk about bringing America
First back. Maybe it's not even bringing those companies back
to the United States. But why are we in an
enemy country? You can't even say it nicely. These people
are evil, They're enemies.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You're absolutely right. The Communist Party is evil. And we
know that cgmping is responsible for killing more people than
any other living figure. And it's not just killing, its murder. So,
for instance, seventy five thousand Americans each year die from
doses of illicit Chinese fentanyl. Fentanyl is not the product
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of just merely criminal gangs. It is a project run
by the Communist Party, which fully supports the sale of
all and they do it because they want to weaken America. So, yes,
the Party is evil. We should not allow it in
the United States. We should make sure that the Goshian
plant in Michigan and the Goshan plant in Illinois are
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not completed, because we must not allow the products of
genocide into our country.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. People in the United States feel
like China so far away they can't really hurt us.
It shocks me because after the pandemic, people were like, what,
oh my goodness, my peloton is made in China. My
antibiotics are made in China. And I'm like, and some
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of your military equipment is made in China, Like, we
have to get out of China. They feel like it's
so far away that it's not a threat. But we
saw that balloon go over the United States. We know
they took pictures of our our military basis, they took
pictures of nuclear They went through the entire country and
had free reign because Joe Biden was napping or something,
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and we don't know exactly what was going on that
he decided to just allow this balloon to continue. And
then they say, oh, don't worry, it didn't get to China,
as if it's not sending everything back in real time.
This is the thing that is surprising to me that
Americans are not more concerned that in the last four
years we have had more Chinese nationals across the border
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than we'd ever seen in the history of border crossings
in the United States. What is going on? The people
are not recognizing the threat that China is because for years,
even when Donald Trump was in office, we had the
FBI saying China's the biggest threat. Still today, China's the
biggest threat. Why is this not taken seriously.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it's because the President of the United States has
not had a candid conversation with the American people in tutor.
In August of last year, Biden gave a private talk
to Democratic Party fundraisers in Salt Lake City, which the
transcript has now come out, and he was very candid
about China in terms that were warnings. But Biden has
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not had that conversation with the American people themselves, he
has not warned them about what is happening. Sigemping talks
about going to war all the time. Sigeanping is prepared
to go to war against the United States. Now we
know that from what he's doing in the South China
Sea against the Philippines. And yet we have a political
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class in our country, which is you know, not just
Democrats but also Republicans that refuses to get our country
prepared for what is obviously coming. You know, as John F.
Kennedy famously said, you know England slept in the nineteen thirties,
Well we're the ones who are sleeping now because Sigmping
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is making fast preparations to go out and kill foreigners,
and we're in his target, We're in the crosshairs. So
this is just an abrogation of President Biden's most fundamental
constitutional duty, which is to protect the American people from
foreign attack.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
When I talked to lawmakers, and I'm talking about on
the local level, but also when we talk to folks
out in DC, they're like, you know, China doesn't want
to hurt the United States because we're the biggest customer
when it makes sense for them, we're buying all the
stuff they rely on. The United States. But it's interesting
because you make the point he has a military mindset
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and he's not like us, and in that culture is
not like ours. I think we assume that every culture
is just like us. It is not. The United States
is very unique. Someone said to me yesterday, this is
a terrible way of putting this, but he said, you know, honestly,
when what people don't understand is that wealthy in America
is the best life you can live, and poor in
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America is still better than poor any place else because
every other country is so different from ours. And it
struck me because I thought, you know, we just don't
realize how dangerous other countries are, how different that society is.
And I spoke to one of the generals that was
in place when Donald Trump was in office, and I
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won't say who it is, but definitely a high up general.
And he said, I said, well, exactly what I've heard
other people say. Well, China wouldn't want to hurt us, though,
because they need us. And he said, see, you think
of it like like an American would think of it.
He said, he's a dictator. He wants to control everything.
He does not consider that he will take it over
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and we will still be a customer of his. He
doesn't care if we are Americans or he takes this
country over. He wants to rule the world. And I
was like, wow, huh, that is something I don't think
about because I am a spoiled American.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well. Sijan thing has been pushing the imperial era notion
that the heaven requires the Chinese ruler to rule the
entire planet, and since twenty seventeen, Chinese officials have been
talking about the moon in Mars is sovereign Chinese territory.
So cjmping is not competing with us within the existing
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international system, as Biden always says, he's not even trying
to change that system. He's trying to overthrow it all together.
And there's another thing that's a component of this, which
you raise when you say, you know, people will tell
us or people will think that China won't destroy a customer.
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The Communist Party believes the United States is an existential threat.
They believe that not because of anything we say or do,
but because of who we are. An insecure ruling regime
in Beijing is worried about the inspirational impact of America's
values and form of governance on the Chinese people. So
the Communist Party believes it will never be safe as
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long as the United States exists. So we have to
understand what the Chinese are actually saying. In May nineteen
Tutor People's Daily, which is the most authoritative publication in China,
ran a landmark editorial that declared a quote unquote people's
war on the US. People's war in Communist Party thought,
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is total war, and that means we Americans are not
paying attention to what the communist regime is telling us.
That means, even though China is a far weaker society
than ours, we can lose our country because we're not
defending ourselves.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I think what people don't understand is that the Chinese
people don't know what America is. They don't get to know.
People think that like we have this freedom of travel
and hearing about places on TV and freedom to surf
the internet, the Chinese people do not have that. They
have very little freedom. I remember when I was in
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college and I met I was traveling and I met
a young guy from Russia and he and his wife
were there and they were telling my husband and I
that she she had been a nanny and she was
from France. He was from Russia. She had been a
nanny in Colorado, and she said, I want to take
you back to Colorado to meet the family that I nannied.
And he was like, how could you ever step foot
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in that country? It's so dirty and disgusting, and everybody's
poor and they live such horrible lives. She was like,
what are you talking about? And he said, you have
to understand. In Russia, as a kid, we were told
that America was so horrible, you know. So if you
think that you're going to go over to China and
be loved and revered, these people know nothing about you.
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There's no connection, and they have their lives, are not
valued by their own government. It's kind of funny to
me because I see it sort of as this, when
you see these queers for Palestine. Americans think every culture
is the same, but we're not. And you can't just say, oh,
China is so thankful that we exist. We're friends. We're
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not friends. They don't like us, they're not there's this
society is not like us, and it's not because the
citizens are bad. It's because they have a dictator who
is a murderist dictator.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yes, and Sijnping has established a near total or total
surveillance state. They control all media. They do control what
the Chinese people here. But you know, the Chinese people
right now are opting out of the communist system because
they realize it is failing, and that's why we have
so many migrants coming across our borders. But among those
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people who want to live in a free society are
those Communist Party agents or agents or operatives of the
People's Liberation Army, and they're coming here to wage war
on the United States. You know, in Reedley, California, an
Alert building inspector found a secret Chinese biological weapons facility
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which had at least twenty pathogens and almost a thousand
mice that have been genetically engineered to spread disease. And
that facility in Redley could not be the only one
in the United States. So China intends to wage war
on America from American soil. And this will be the
first time since the War of eighteen twelve that we
Americans will have to fight an enemy in our own homeland.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It will be a much different enemy than we've ever seen.
I mean when you say that about biological weapons, the
weapons that are out there now are nothing like we've
ever seen. And I think that's why the hot air
balloon or the spy balloon, whatever it was, was so
terrifying because Americans who knew understood this balloon could drop bombs,
it could be pollute, it could be dropping viruses. There's
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any number of things that a balloon from another country
of that size, and I think people some people mistake
it as thinking this was something small. It't like the
size of three school buses floating over your state. Anything
could have come from this balloon, and our president didn't
bother to keep us safe. It was shocking.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It was shocked. You know, that balloon passed over America's
nuclear weapon sites, all three of our intercontinental ballistic missile
fields to Strategic Command headquarters in Omaha, as well as
the home of all of our B two strategic bombers,
white Man Air Force Base in Missouri. So they were
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preparing the United States for a nuclear weapons attack. But
what was the most frightening thing about that was how
bold the Chinese were to think that they could float
that object over our country and they had the right
to do that. That shows you the mentality of the Chinese.
If you saw the sixty minutes segment a week ago
where the crew, the CBS crew was on a Philippine
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Coastguard vessel and the Chinese rammed it. The Chinese had
to know the CBS crew was there and they rammed
it anyway, which shows you a different and new mentality
on the part of China. That's a war signal tutor,
and we're getting a lot of them recently.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's what we keep talking about because not only did
we have this balloon that went over the country and
was looking at the nuclear sites to your point, and
not only looking at them getting exact locations. You know,
when you have when you are scanning the globe like that,
you have the exact location of where you want to attack,
how you can weaken the United States. But you also
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looked at the fact that Joe Biden has decided to
step down when he came out and did his national
address that he's stepping out of the race for president.
We had China and Russia fly together for the first
time ever. I mean, isn't that another.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Sign Yes, well, that flight of for nuclear capable bombers
two from Russia and two from China near Alaska. Is
just another indication that they're pressuring us. And that's not
the only joint Chinese Russian exercise near Alaska. China and
Russia are exercising almost continuously in East Asia, and that
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tells us that when war comes to East Asia and
there is an almost irresistible momentum toward that, that we'll
be fighting not just China, but Russia as well, and
probably North Korea. So this looks like the beginning of
history's third grade conflict, and the Biden administration is doing
very little to stop it. You know, nothing's inevitable, but
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the United States needs to take a stand to stop
what could be the world's greatest tragedy.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's just interesting, though, I feel I hear very few
voices that are speaking out against this on both sides.
I don't hear a Republican saying, we want to know
what was recovered from that balloon, we want to know
what happened, we want to know what we're doing about
China and Russia and their connection. I just don't hear
people calling it out. It's not something that you even
hear much on the campaign trail. I've heard Donald Trump
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talk about China being a threat, but it's like here
we have this elephant in the room and everybody is
looking the other way.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well, you know, fortunately JD. Vans came to Michigan to
talk about the Goshen plant to oppose it, and that's
that's important. But you're right, during the debates and during
campaign speeches, you don't hear very much about foreign affairs
in general and China in particular. China is means to
take down our society. We need to have a national
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conversation about that, and the best time to do that
is during a campaign.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I had somebody asking me yesterday do you think that
China is excited about this war with Ukraine because it's
distracting the United States. Like, it's not only distracting, it's
taking weapons, it's taking money, of course, and we know
they're in bed with Russia. We also know that they've
been talking to Iran, so they have Iran bombing and
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sending money to terrorism Hamas Hasbala, all of these different organizations.
We're distracted with that, We're distracted with Ukraine. It's we're
in a very volatile worldwide situation right now, and I
think that's why so many people are like, are we
headed toward World War three? And can someone stop that?
And it's like a train that's rolling and no one's
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stepping in front of it. We're all getting a little
bit nervous, But I'm glad we have you here to
talk about it. Tell us about your book, because I
think your book is warning us of some of what's
to come if China is left un dealt with.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, this is it's plan. Read China's project to destroy America.
And I run through China's assault on our society, which
is they use every point of contact to take us down.
And we Americans have got to start talking about that
because this is the gravest challenge to the United States.
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And at some point, if we don't start defending ourselves,
we will lose to China. We will lose our freedom,
we will lose our sovereignty, we will lose everything.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I see are some of our
governors and some of our legislators and even our representatives
in DC who have had connections to China and I
think that they've felt safe, and I think that there's
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too much. Like I said, I buy this product from there,
I have this product from there, and there's a safety
in that there's not so much of a safety. And
the other thing that I will just say before I
let you go is one other thing that we found
is that when you talk about these rare earth minerals
that they're mining, they actually have very little groundwater that
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is drinkable. I think ninety percent of their groundwater is polluted.
They've had entire towns where they've manufactured these products, and
they've forced people to manufacture that have ended up with
forty percent cancer rates. There's a different level of caring
for life and safety that's coming to the United States,
and I think there's this push for everything to be
renewable resources and clean energy, and in the midst of that,
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we're not recognizing the environmental threat if we look at
just whether we're not seeing what's happening on the ground.
We have to be careful all the way around.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Absolutely, what's good for climate is horrible for the environment.
That's a trade off that climate activists don't talk.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
About, and that directly goes into the glass of water.
Your child is drinking at the kitchen table. And that's
the thing that scares me, certainly scares people in Michigan.
We've already had drinking water problems once. We certainly don't
want them again. But Gordon Chang, thank you so much
for being on today and talking to us about this.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh well, thank you, Tutor. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We've got a lot
of news to get to. We have Gordon Chang with us.
He is the author of the new book Plan Read
China's Project to Destroy America. It comes out October first,
and it's very fitting timing because we're talking about a
few things today that have to do with One has
to do with China, and the other has to do
with something that is happening in Michigan that I think
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resembles Mao's revolution in China and what we could be
seeing in America if we're not careful. And so I
want to say thank you, thank you Gordon for coming on.
I'm really excited to talk to you about this.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well, thank you, Tutor. I'm excited to talk to you,
so thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The reason I want to talk to you about what's
happening in Michigan is because when I talk about it,
people go, oh, gosh, don't overreact, and I don't think
that we're overreacting. So we had the Democrats cut to
the school safety budget when the budget came out in July,
and it was approved by the governor in the fall.
This this is a new supplemental to the budget and
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so this new supplemental to the budget includes school safety,
which was ironic that the Democrats talk about how important
school safety is, but they cut that from the budget,
and I wonder if it was so that they could
slide this in. So in this newest budget they have
a million dollars for what we're calling a snitch line.
They want students to call on this line if their
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parents have an unsecured gun. So last year they and
this may have just gone into effect this year. I
believe it just went into effect at the beginning of
this year. There's a new law in Michigan. If you
have an unsecured gun, you could face criminal charges, and
especially if that gun then goes off and ends up
hurting someone because it was unsecured, you were then responsible.
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So we have these secure storage laws. This has not
really been advertised to the people of Michigan. So instead
they are doing this in schools. They're creating a curriculum,
a curriculum around tattling on your parents. If your parents
have this gun, call this line, tell on your parents.
Have you ever seen anything like.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This before, Well, yes, this is Communist China. Maozatung, the
founder of the People's Republic realized that in order for
him to create loyalty to himself and to the Communist Party,
he needed to break the bonds of the family, and
so he was relentless in doing that. And something like
a snitch line is is very much along that line. Now,
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Mao actually did get his In schools, they forced kids
to talk about their parents, to snitch on them. They
did the same thing with wives against husbands, husbands against wives,
everybody in society to break the bonds of the family.
See Van Fleet, who lived in China during the Cultural Revolution.
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That was that decade from nineteen sixty six to nineteen
seventy six, the most abnormal time in Chinese history. This
was a time where the Communist Party tried to destroy
old society, as they said, but what they really were
trying to do was to destroy civilization. And so ce
van Fleet talks about this and says she sees the
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same things happening in her America today that she saw
during the Cultural Revolution.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And I think that I don't actually think that the
lawmakers that are doing this have this malicious intent right now.
I think that, for lack of a better term, they're
the useful idiots in this situation where people are like, oh, hey,
let's influence these these progressives because they want it sounds nice,
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it sounds nice. These kids are going to keep people safe.
We're going to rely on the kids. But look, this
is what's happening in Michigan and other states, I mean
New York and Iowa. I've seen other states that have
these laws now where I can't even see my child's
medical records after the age of twelve because the child's
in control. The child has to sign it over to
me and let me know certain things about their medical records,
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but I can't be involved in medical decisions. Now. You
have actual curriculum in school that, like you're saying, and
this is what I said yesterday, this is to break
the bonds of family. It is to break families up,
to to pit people against each other. But what does
this do to even the mental health of the children.
Because I can imagine as a child or my own
girls now, who are at these ages fifteen, thirteen, and eleven,
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that if they were to sit through a course that
said mom and dad might be breaking the law. You're
the only ones that can tell the law that mom
and dad have done something. So naughty. What kind of
pressure does that put on kids? Where does society? How
does society break down after all of this?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, it certainly does, because you know, people may say, well,
this is only because of unsecured weapons, but really this
starts society down a long road, and we know where
that road ends, and it ends in the state demanding
obedience from everybody above all else. So this is exceedingly dangerous,
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and especially you know you talk about the medical records
of kids that parents can't see. It again, something to
break the bonds of family. So we know that this
ends in totalitarianism. And I know people will say, oh,
that's really a big step and going too far, but
no it isn't because that's how things were done in
communist China, and so we got to stop it before
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it begins.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, I have a nurse who was telling me that
because of this situation, she has kids who have to
make their own medical decisions. So she said, I have
high school kids that come into my office who have
an STD that must be treated. She said, they don't
want to have that on their insurance because it'll go
to their parents' insurance. But I can't tell the parents
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they have a problem. It has to be treated. So
I have kids that aren't getting care. You can see
how that, over time would break down to I just
need someone else to take care of this. And I
think that's what we've been teaching the next generation is
kind of like, don't talk to your parents, don't rely
on your own expertise in this area, go to the government.
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The government will take care of you. And ultimately I
see a generation of young people who are giving themselves
over in such a trusting way to the government. Well,
the government will pay my bills, the government will take
care of me. We've never been the country that's thought
this way. So when I see a bill like this,
which I like, I said, a lot of these lawmakers
who are making these bills are much younger than me.
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Is there some sort of an influence in some of
our state legislatures coming from communist China or coming from
communist areas, because I know that was something Reagan warned
against with the Soviet Union, Like, you've got to be
aware they're infiltrating the United States. They want to come here.
Are we being naive that there are already forces here
convincing people to do this?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, there are and We can see this in the
Democratic Party in New York State. The Democratic Party in
that state has looked at Chinese Americans as a rich
source of votes. Chinese Americans in that state have very
troubling ties to the Communist Party's United Front Work department.
That's the part of the party that subverts foreign governments
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and front organizations have completely infiltrated New York State, but
especially New York City, and that's why we're seeing, for instance,
the prosecution of London Sun, who is the advisor to
Governor Clomo and the current governor, Kathy Hokel. We're also
witnessing right now prosecutions of foreign influence in the City
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of New York, where the mayor has just been indicted
for his connections with Turkey. Foreign governments realize that they
need to have a friend in the United States, and
they're willing to pay large sums of money and use
other forms of influence, including intimidation. So yes, Communist Party
uses every point of contact to take down our society,
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and it is with for instance, this ghost in your
state and Illinois, they will use that to influence legislators.
There are already allegations of corruption that Goshen tried to
buy local officials in your state, Tutor. They have yet
to be proven because they've just been revealed. But this
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is really going to show the depth of penetration of
the Communist Party into local politics in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, you make a great point. I think it's something
we've been just mostly concerned with. Gosh, do we have
corrupt local officials, But the corruption goes deeper because it's
been the brainchild of communists China to come in and
say we can buy local people. And again, you have
a situation where here we had the local township trustee.
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His property was part of the property that they wanted
to buy. They gave him two million dollars for property
that was worth less than one hundred and fifty thousand.
He was never going to see that kind of money
for his property in the state of Michigan outside of
a Ghoshen coming in and saying, hey, we'll buy this,
but you've got to vote for it. And we don't
know that that conversation actually happened, but they bought it,
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and then he continued to vote to move the project through.
That is classic, a classic sign of corruption. Right, You're
getting two million dollars, you're voting on behalf of the people.
You're telling them this is safe. There's no environmental review.
That's the other thing that has been concerning to me.
These products are coming in, not only being used, not
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only is slave labor being used in China to bring
some of these products in that will make the batteries. So,
first of all, we still we have a problem with
supporting slavery if this company comes to Michigan. But then
what are the dangers of the manufacturing process Because China
doesn't manufacture things the way we do. They're not cleaning
like we are. Why are we trusting this company to
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come into our state onto our watershed?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yes, you know, and we have seen these companies come
in ignore, completely violate environmental rules and destroy the communities
in which they have built their facilities. And they'll try
and do the same thing in Michigan and Illinois if
the local residents let them. But the good news is
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that there's probably nothing. So your worst enemy is a
local resident in the state of Michigan and in the
state of Illinois. But clearly Goshen. Goshen makes these batteries.
Almost every battery that is made in China is made
with forced labor. Now the Goshen says, well, we're going
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to build these batteries in Michigan. Well, they're going to
build them from components from China, which are themselves the
product of forced and slave labor. The terrifiction, the US
Terrifact of nineteen thirty, prohibits the importation into the US
of goods made with forced or slave labor. So there's
a lot that we can do to stop this, but
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we can't stop it if officials have been bought off,
and clearly that has been the case in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, I think that needs to be examined. And that's
you know, we've heard Donald Trump come out and say
that he wants to be aware of what's coming in.
He's talked about tariffs. But I do think that there
is an argument for looking at some American companies that
are in China and vice versa, and how the labor
is being used. Because you don't go to China because
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it's convenient to get your products from China. You go
to China because it's cheap, and if people get out
of line, they get killed. I mean, that's quite I
hate to say that, but it's you're safe if you're
a business there because it is a communist country where
there is no funny business people are scared to death.
They live in fear, there is slave labor. They love
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the fact that they can get cheap labor that is
forced to live in dormitories. And that bothers me that
American companies are over there and there is no one
in DC going I love my iPhone, but is my
iPhone being made in the most positive way possible? Are
we using slave labor in some of these products? And
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you know who knows. I'm not saying that we are,
but I'm saying there are definite reasons to look at
some of these companies when we talk about bringing America
First back. Maybe it's not even bringing those companies back
to the United States. But why are we in an
enemy country? You can't even say it nicely. These people
are evil, They're enemies.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You're absolutely right. The Communist Party is evil. And we
know that cgmping is responsible for killing more people than
any other living figure. And it's not just killing, its murder. So,
for instance, seventy five thousand Americans each year die from
doses of illicit Chinese fentanyl. Fentanyl is not the product
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of just merely criminal gangs. It is a project run
by the Communist Party, which fully supports the sale of
all and they do it because they want to weaken America. So, yes,
the Party is evil. We should not allow it in
the United States. We should make sure that the Goshian
plant in Michigan and the Goshan plant in Illinois are
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not completed, because we must not allow the products of
genocide into our country.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. People in the United States feel
like China so far away they can't really hurt us.
It shocks me because after the pandemic, people were like, what,
oh my goodness, my peloton is made in China. My
antibiotics are made in China. And I'm like, and some
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of your military equipment is made in China, Like, we
have to get out of China. They feel like it's
so far away that it's not a threat. But we
saw that balloon go over the United States. We know
they took pictures of our our military basis, they took
pictures of nuclear They went through the entire country and
had free reign because Joe Biden was napping or something,
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and we don't know exactly what was going on that
he decided to just allow this balloon to continue. And
then they say, oh, don't worry, it didn't get to China,
as if it's not sending everything back in real time.
This is the thing that is surprising to me that
Americans are not more concerned that in the last four
years we have had more Chinese nationals across the border
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than we'd ever seen in the history of border crossings
in the United States. What is going on? The people
are not recognizing the threat that China is because for years,
even when Donald Trump was in office, we had the
FBI saying China's the biggest threat. Still today, China's the
biggest threat. Why is this not taken seriously.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it's because the President of the United States has
not had a candid conversation with the American people in tutor.
In August of last year, Biden gave a private talk
to Democratic Party fundraisers in Salt Lake City, which the
transcript has now come out, and he was very candid
about China in terms that were warnings. But Biden has
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not had that conversation with the American people themselves, he
has not warned them about what is happening. Sigemping talks
about going to war all the time. Sigeanping is prepared
to go to war against the United States. Now we
know that from what he's doing in the South China
Sea against the Philippines. And yet we have a political
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class in our country, which is you know, not just
Democrats but also Republicans that refuses to get our country
prepared for what is obviously coming. You know, as John F.
Kennedy famously said, you know England slept in the nineteen thirties,
Well we're the ones who are sleeping now because Sigmping
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is making fast preparations to go out and kill foreigners,
and we're in his target, We're in the crosshairs. So
this is just an abrogation of President Biden's most fundamental
constitutional duty, which is to protect the American people from
foreign attack.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
When I talked to lawmakers, and I'm talking about on
the local level, but also when we talk to folks
out in DC, they're like, you know, China doesn't want
to hurt the United States because we're the biggest customer
when it makes sense for them, we're buying all the
stuff they rely on. The United States. But it's interesting
because you make the point he has a military mindset
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and he's not like us, and in that culture is
not like ours. I think we assume that every culture
is just like us. It is not. The United States
is very unique. Someone said to me yesterday, this is
a terrible way of putting this, but he said, you know, honestly,
when what people don't understand is that wealthy in America
is the best life you can live, and poor in
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America is still better than poor any place else because
every other country is so different from ours. And it
struck me because I thought, you know, we just don't
realize how dangerous other countries are, how different that society is.
And I spoke to one of the generals that was
in place when Donald Trump was in office, and I
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won't say who it is, but definitely a high up general.
And he said, I said, well, exactly what I've heard
other people say. Well, China wouldn't want to hurt us, though,
because they need us. And he said, see, you think
of it like like an American would think of it.
He said, he's a dictator. He wants to control everything.
He does not consider that he will take it over
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and we will still be a customer of his. He
doesn't care if we are Americans or he takes this
country over. He wants to rule the world. And I
was like, wow, huh, that is something I don't think
about because I am a spoiled American.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well. Sijan thing has been pushing the imperial era notion
that the heaven requires the Chinese ruler to rule the
entire planet, and since twenty seventeen, Chinese officials have been
talking about the moon in Mars is sovereign Chinese territory.
So cjmping is not competing with us within the existing
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international system, as Biden always says, he's not even trying
to change that system. He's trying to overthrow it all together.
And there's another thing that's a component of this, which
you raise when you say, you know, people will tell
us or people will think that China won't destroy a customer.
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The Communist Party believes the United States is an existential threat.
They believe that not because of anything we say or do,
but because of who we are. An insecure ruling regime
in Beijing is worried about the inspirational impact of America's
values and form of governance on the Chinese people. So
the Communist Party believes it will never be safe as
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long as the United States exists. So we have to
understand what the Chinese are actually saying. In May nineteen
Tutor People's Daily, which is the most authoritative publication in China,
ran a landmark editorial that declared a quote unquote people's
war on the US. People's war in Communist Party thought,
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is total war, and that means we Americans are not
paying attention to what the communist regime is telling us.
That means, even though China is a far weaker society
than ours, we can lose our country because we're not
defending ourselves.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I think what people don't understand is that the Chinese
people don't know what America is. They don't get to know.
People think that like we have this freedom of travel
and hearing about places on TV and freedom to surf
the internet, the Chinese people do not have that. They
have very little freedom. I remember when I was in
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college and I met I was traveling and I met
a young guy from Russia and he and his wife
were there and they were telling my husband and I
that she she had been a nanny and she was
from France. He was from Russia. She had been a
nanny in Colorado, and she said, I want to take
you back to Colorado to meet the family that I nannied.
And he was like, how could you ever step foot
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in that country? It's so dirty and disgusting, and everybody's
poor and they live such horrible lives. She was like,
what are you talking about? And he said, you have
to understand. In Russia, as a kid, we were told
that America was so horrible, you know. So if you
think that you're going to go over to China and
be loved and revered, these people know nothing about you.
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There's no connection, and they have their lives, are not
valued by their own government. It's kind of funny to
me because I see it sort of as this, when
you see these queers for Palestine. Americans think every culture
is the same, but we're not. And you can't just say, oh,
China is so thankful that we exist. We're friends. We're
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not friends. They don't like us, they're not there's this
society is not like us, and it's not because the
citizens are bad. It's because they have a dictator who
is a murderist dictator.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yes, and Sijnping has established a near total or total
surveillance state. They control all media. They do control what
the Chinese people here. But you know, the Chinese people
right now are opting out of the communist system because
they realize it is failing, and that's why we have
so many migrants coming across our borders. But among those
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people who want to live in a free society are
those Communist Party agents or agents or operatives of the
People's Liberation Army, and they're coming here to wage war
on the United States. You know, in Reedley, California, an
Alert building inspector found a secret Chinese biological weapons facility
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which had at least twenty pathogens and almost a thousand
mice that have been genetically engineered to spread disease. And
that facility in Redley could not be the only one
in the United States. So China intends to wage war
on America from American soil. And this will be the
first time since the War of eighteen twelve that we
Americans will have to fight an enemy in our own homeland.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It will be a much different enemy than we've ever seen.
I mean when you say that about biological weapons, the
weapons that are out there now are nothing like we've
ever seen. And I think that's why the hot air
balloon or the spy balloon, whatever it was, was so
terrifying because Americans who knew understood this balloon could drop bombs,
it could be pollute, it could be dropping viruses. There's
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any number of things that a balloon from another country
of that size, and I think people some people mistake
it as thinking this was something small. It't like the
size of three school buses floating over your state. Anything
could have come from this balloon, and our president didn't
bother to keep us safe. It was shocking.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It was shocked. You know, that balloon passed over America's
nuclear weapon sites, all three of our intercontinental ballistic missile
fields to Strategic Command headquarters in Omaha, as well as
the home of all of our B two strategic bombers,
white Man Air Force Base in Missouri. So they were
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preparing the United States for a nuclear weapons attack. But
what was the most frightening thing about that was how
bold the Chinese were to think that they could float
that object over our country and they had the right
to do that. That shows you the mentality of the Chinese.
If you saw the sixty minutes segment a week ago
where the crew, the CBS crew was on a Philippine
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Coastguard vessel and the Chinese rammed it. The Chinese had
to know the CBS crew was there and they rammed
it anyway, which shows you a different and new mentality
on the part of China. That's a war signal tutor,
and we're getting a lot of them recently.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's what we keep talking about because not only did
we have this balloon that went over the country and
was looking at the nuclear sites to your point, and
not only looking at them getting exact locations. You know,
when you have when you are scanning the globe like that,
you have the exact location of where you want to attack,
how you can weaken the United States. But you also
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looked at the fact that Joe Biden has decided to
step down when he came out and did his national
address that he's stepping out of the race for president.
We had China and Russia fly together for the first
time ever. I mean, isn't that another.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Sign Yes, well, that flight of for nuclear capable bombers
two from Russia and two from China near Alaska. Is
just another indication that they're pressuring us. And that's not
the only joint Chinese Russian exercise near Alaska. China and
Russia are exercising almost continuously in East Asia, and that
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tells us that when war comes to East Asia and
there is an almost irresistible momentum toward that, that we'll
be fighting not just China, but Russia as well, and
probably North Korea. So this looks like the beginning of
history's third grade conflict, and the Biden administration is doing
very little to stop it. You know, nothing's inevitable, but
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the United States needs to take a stand to stop
what could be the world's greatest tragedy.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's just interesting, though, I feel I hear very few
voices that are speaking out against this on both sides.
I don't hear a Republican saying, we want to know
what was recovered from that balloon, we want to know
what happened, we want to know what we're doing about
China and Russia and their connection. I just don't hear
people calling it out. It's not something that you even
hear much on the campaign trail. I've heard Donald Trump
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talk about China being a threat, but it's like here
we have this elephant in the room and everybody is
looking the other way.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well, you know, fortunately JD. Vans came to Michigan to
talk about the Goshen plant to oppose it, and that's
that's important. But you're right, during the debates and during
campaign speeches, you don't hear very much about foreign affairs
in general and China in particular. China is means to
take down our society. We need to have a national
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conversation about that, and the best time to do that
is during a campaign.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I had somebody asking me yesterday do you think that
China is excited about this war with Ukraine because it's
distracting the United States. Like, it's not only distracting, it's
taking weapons, it's taking money, of course, and we know
they're in bed with Russia. We also know that they've
been talking to Iran, so they have Iran bombing and
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sending money to terrorism Hamas Hasbala, all of these different organizations.
We're distracted with that, We're distracted with Ukraine. It's we're
in a very volatile worldwide situation right now, and I
think that's why so many people are like, are we
headed toward World War three? And can someone stop that?
And it's like a train that's rolling and no one's
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stepping in front of it. We're all getting a little
bit nervous, But I'm glad we have you here to
talk about it. Tell us about your book, because I
think your book is warning us of some of what's
to come if China is left un dealt with.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, this is it's plan. Read China's project to destroy America.
And I run through China's assault on our society, which
is they use every point of contact to take us down.
And we Americans have got to start talking about that
because this is the gravest challenge to the United States.
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And at some point, if we don't start defending ourselves,
we will lose to China. We will lose our freedom,
we will lose our sovereignty, we will lose everything.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I see are some of our
governors and some of our legislators and even our representatives
in DC who have had connections to China and I
think that they've felt safe, and I think that there's
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too much. Like I said, I buy this product from there,
I have this product from there, and there's a safety
in that there's not so much of a safety. And
the other thing that I will just say before I
let you go is one other thing that we found
is that when you talk about these rare earth minerals
that they're mining, they actually have very little groundwater that
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is drinkable. I think ninety percent of their groundwater is polluted.
They've had entire towns where they've manufactured these products, and
they've forced people to manufacture that have ended up with
forty percent cancer rates. There's a different level of caring
for life and safety that's coming to the United States,
and I think there's this push for everything to be
renewable resources and clean energy, and in the midst of that,
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we're not recognizing the environmental threat if we look at
just whether we're not seeing what's happening on the ground.
We have to be careful all the way around.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Absolutely, what's good for climate is horrible for the environment.
That's a trade off that climate activists don't talk.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
About, and that directly goes into the glass of water.
Your child is drinking at the kitchen table. And that's
the thing that scares me, certainly scares people in Michigan.
We've already had drinking water problems once. We certainly don't
want them again. But Gordon Chang, thank you so much
for being on today and talking to us about this.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh well, thank you, Tutor. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
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