June 13, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode, Tudor speaks with Miranda Devine, an award-winning columnist at the New York Post and host of the new podcast Pod Force One. They discuss Miranda's recent interview with Donald Trump, the role of media in politics, the impact of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and the unique relationship between Trump and Elon Musk. The conversation also touches on Trump's foreign policy approach and the current political climate in America. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am so excited
today because my friend Miranda Devine is here. She is,
as you probably know, an award winning calumnist at The
New York Post. But now she has a new podcast.
It's called Podforce one, and she just happened to launch
it with like the best guest ever, President Donald Trump.
Thank you so much for being here, Miranda.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh, thanks for having me, Tutor. It's great to be
with you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I thought your interview was fantastic. I mean I listened
to it, and it covered so many things, but it's
it was also fantastic because I think President Trump was
more open and honest and relaxed than I've seen him
in a long time. I felt like he just knew
you were there to have a good conversation with him,
and you got a lot of really strong information from him,
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which was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And look, I mean, it's hard to do a bad
interview with President Trump because he's really so generous with
his time, his thoughts, his kind of perceptions about the
world and people. If you care to not do gotcha
questions all the time and you have some respect, he
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gives a lot and he knows a lot, and he's
been through a lot. He has a lot of wisdom,
a lot of insight, a lot of access to the
most powerful people in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So he's really worth listening to.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, that's such a good point that if you don't attack,
and we don't always have to be attacking everybody. And
you gave him a lot of opportunity to talk about
what happened in the Biden administration, what's happening in his administration.
I thought one part was really interesting because you went
through the auto pen in great detail and said, you know,
were these crimes that were committed? And I thought he
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gave a lot of grace there because he said, look,
it's not up for me to go after him. And
he said I don't actually think Joe Biden knew what
he was doing. I think other people used it. And
he gave him a lot of credit for what he
thought in the past. I felt that was interesting too,
because Donald Trump was looking at who Joe Biden had
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been before he kind of lost as marbles and said
he was never for open borders, he was never for
any of this. He said, they took over the White House,
what was What did you think when you heard him
say that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I actually that was one aspect that I did not
agree with him on it. I mean, I wasn't going
to challenge him there and then because it's really just
an opinion. And I just think he's given too much
grace to Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden really has
never believed in anything. He's just a hollow man who's
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gone with the flow. So when the flow in the
Democratic Party was to be tough on crime, he was
the toughest you could get on crime. You know, it
was three strikes and you're out. You know, get tough
on crack dealers, etc. But when things turned in the
other direction, I mean you just remember in the twenty
twenty primaries when all those Democrats were up on stage
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and they were asked, would you give.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Free medicare to illegal aliens?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And they all put up their hands, including most enthusiastically
was Joe Biden. So I think, particularly when it came
to the border, I think that this was something he
was well in favor of. He didn't not know what
was going on, of course he knew, and I think
maybe he'd been.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, look, there are three possibilities.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Either he was simply a puppet, lazy, kind of losing
his marbles and just didn't fight against anything, just was
quite happy. I think really his main aim to become
president was the glory of it, the respect he got,
the plane, you know, Air Force one, the house, the
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White House camp, David swaning around the world, being the
big man on campus. That is I think what motivated
him more than anything else. I don't really think he
was that interested in making America a better place, you know,
having peace.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I don't think that even really was part of his mindset,
whereas that is exactly what Donald Trump thinks about all
the time. So, either Joe Biden was just lazy and
decided to outsource the important parts of his presidency to
other people because he was too old, too tired, too lazy,
too be fuddled to do it himself, or he was
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just always been a chameleon, and he's just a pure
political animal. And he goes wherever the party, wherever's beneficial
to him to maintain his power wherever the party is gone,
and the party has gone well left. And he was
like this moderate fig leaf that they used to win
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the twenty twenty election. And you know, he had a
lot of problems, mainly his corruption, but also secondarily, I
would say, his cognitive decline, which obviously accelerated over his presidency.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But they buried all that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They covered up his corruption, they covered up his cognitive issues,
they installed him as their candidate, and they rigged the
election to make sure he won. And America has paid
the consequences ever since. And now Donald Trump's trying to
clean up the mess. And the third option, I guess
is that he was so befuddled that he didn't know
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what was going on. But I think that's the least likely,
but I think it is the most charitable, and I
guess from Donald Trump's point of view, he doesn't want
to trash previous presidents because that trashes the presidency, and
he believes very deeply in the prestige of the presidency,
and of course he's there, so it benefits him.
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think it's so much better than what we saw Joe
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Biden do for four years, going after Donald Trump and
trying his hardest to get him convicted of a crime,
and he would trash him publicly. And I thought it
was such an incredible moment to hear Donald Trump give
him grace. But I want to get into what you
said because I think that you see things in a
way a lot of people don't, because for years we
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have been so duped by that typical politician. And what
you said just now really resonated with me because I
see it in Michigan. I mean, I see it with
Gretchen Whitmer, but I see it with Republicans too, where
it's like, I'll say whatever it takes to get to
that next level of power. And I think that's the
most dangerous person out there. And how do we tell
the public to be prepared or warn them of who
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that person is?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Look, that's such a good question.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I think it's the essential question of politics, and it's
an age old question, you know. I think that's why
politicians are pretty down on the totem polo, although I
think journalists reason law. Look, what has always been the
protection against the snake oil salesman politician is a robust
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and honest media. And unfortunately the fourth estate has become
corrupted itself for various reasons. I mean, there are some structural,
kind of monetary reasons that Internet just totally disrupted the
sources of income for the established media brands. Moving to
a subscriber base has meant you know, like the New
(09:11):
York Times has quite successfully, but that means that they're
captive to their subscribers. That's their constituency. It's not really
to sept tolic.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, and I really thought about that. But you have
people paying for your product, so you better deliver what
they're expecting you to deliver exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And you know, it's very cheap to get a subscription
to the New York Times. They're always doing, you know, bargains,
and if you say you're going to you're going to cancel,
then they give you an.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Even bigger bargain.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean, you can get it for you know, a
few cents a week and or a dollar a week anyway,
but if you if.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You bargain, you can get it for less.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So I find it interesting, like the subscribe, but who
the subscribers are is a big secret. You know, they
will not allow anyone to see it, they know. But
what's to stop big blocks of activists.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
From buying, you know, spending a million dollars buying a
million subscriptions. That's cheap. What's to stop China from doing that?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, it's a much easier way of controlling the
New York Times. You know, you buy ten million subscriptions
and you control the paper. It's a lot cheaper than
buying shares in New York Times company.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I mean, that's bad. That's fascinating to think about because
we have had Gordon chang On here so many times,
and he's talked about all the different ways that China
infiltrates the United States in ways you don't know and
you don't think about. And honestly, that's something I hadn't
thought about, the fact that the subscribers make the paper
trend one way or the other. But yeah, absolutely, And
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why wouldn't they That is an inexpensive way to disrupt
and cause chaos in the United States. And chaos is
what they want exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Chaos is what they want.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And you know, when people can't, you know, the public
can't believe anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, they've lost trust in institutions.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I think, you know, the twenty four election was a
real watershed in the sort of red pilling of America because.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You know, there we.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Had most of the mainstream media telling the public that
Donald Trump was you know, like Nazi, he was Hitler,
he was an insurrectionist, he was a criminal, he was
a crook, he was a Russian spy.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean, whatever they could throw in him, they threw
at him. He was amoral, he was a degenerate, he's stupid,
he's senile, I mean, you name it. They blagouted his
reputation every which way, and it worked. And not just
in America.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Around the world there are still country Sweden and Australia
saw a pole recently where something like sixty or seventy
percent and you know, don't like Donald Trump, they.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Reject his leadership.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And in America, what happened was that the public started
to disbelieve and distrust those media organs that had been
lying to them for so long, and they voted for
Donald Trump in droves.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They saw behind it, they went to alternative media.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Donald Trump was very good at going outside the mainstream
media and connecting directly with the audience. I mean, his
rallies are important for that reason. His superb genius level
communication skills. Nobody does it like him. He's mocked for
his simple use of language, but I mean that's the
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greatest writing of all is distilling complicated topics down to
a simple message. And that's what he does, and he
gets through to people. He gets through their.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Hearts and their minds.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And he managed to bypass the New York Times, the
rancid Lies from MSNBC, Washington Post, c and then you know,
ABC News, all of them, and he won the popular vote.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think. But I think you so many people had
a big part in this because you broke the story
on the Hunter Biden laptop and it was disappeared, and
I think that was a kind of a moment where
there were a lot of people. I mean, you talk
about the red pilling of America, but there were a
lot of people who at that moment went why would
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they get taken off of Twitter? Why would they be
ban from all these places? And so along the way
the way it had to happen, and I think it
had to happen this way. And I really believe that
this is the reason Donald Trump didn't have a second
term in twenty twenty was because I believe that God
was looking out for us and saying, there is so
much bad happening behind the scenes that you have to
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know about it. And you broke that story. Everything got disappeared.
Elon Musk came in and he said, we're going to
expose this. We're gonna have the Twitter files come out.
And that was a shocking moment. Those those hearings were unescapable.
People could there was no going back for the Democrats
at that point and say no, we didn't go and
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help pick out this conservative and kick him off, pick
out this conservative and kick him off. We didn't actually
take away your free speech. They couldn't say that because
they had done that. And I thought you had a
very sweet exchange with President Trump about Elon Musk, because
of course we saw the big blow up, and I
think that Elon, you know, he made the point he said, Oh,
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he wouldn't have one without me, Donald Trump. No one
can take this election away from Donald Trump. No one
can take anything away. Like you said, he's a master communicator.
He went places that he couldn't have gone. But I
do think that everyone played a role to get us here,
and Elon gave up a lot. I don't know why
he did what he did recently. I think that you
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can tell me your opinion, but I think that when
you haven't run for office, and he hasn't run for office,
there are a lot of people who got involved in
the Trump campaign when feelings were high. Everybody was excited,
and there is an energy when you walk out on
that stage with Donald Trump. You feel it. You feel
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this love, this amazing overwhelming sense of joy at those rallies.
You just talked about it. And Elon had seen that,
but he became kind of the figure I think even
Saul Alinsky was always the theory of his ruining and
disruption of a country is to focus on one character
and take them down, and that was kind of what
the Democrats did with Elon Musk. They were like, zoom
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in on this guy, make him the enemy. Do you
think that that was too much for him. Donald Trump
wasn't mean when you talked about it. He said, there's
no hard feelings, which I think people weren't ex.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, that's just fascinating what you've just said. I agree
with it all. And yes, Donald Trump was very gracious
about Elon Musk. Elon had said some terrible things about him,
things that you can't take back and really you can't forget.
And you know, everyone expects Donald Trump to hit back harder,
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but he's discerning and he understands that Elon is a
different type of person, you know, almost childlike in some ways.
Elon himself has said that he's on the spectrum that
he suffers from depression. He has a different kind of
emotional and mental makeup to the average person, which is
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probably the key to his incredible success. I mean, you
don't get to be the richest man in the world
with this corn ucopia of different companies where you're breaking
ground and just doing the most amazing things and amazing
things for humanity.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I think he really has a good heart, and he
does want to help people who can't walk to walk again,
help the blind to see, get mankind to Mars.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He really is just an extraordinary man.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But I saw him at the White House, as I said,
and he really had a kind of a paternal relationship,
you know, father son relationship with Donald Trump. And because
he had a terrible childhood of his own, his father
was just a monster from all accounts. And Elon says
that himself and so and Donald Trump's the opposite. I mean,
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people don't give him credit for this, but he really
is great with children. You see kids around him, they
flock to him. Kids and dogs always have an instinct
about adults who are safe to be around, and they
flock to Donald Trump and he likes them. You know,
he doesn't pander to them, but he just likes them
and they get that good vibe from him. And Elon
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was like that too, and he's Donald Trump is a
can't man, and like he has great relationships with all
his adult children. They're all well adjusted adults.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And I think with Elon Musk, he probably detected that
he was someone in need of kind of emotional fulfillment
of some you know, sustenance, warmth, kindness. And look, he stayed.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Overnight a couple of times with Donald Trump in the residence,
slept in the Lincoln bedroom.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They talked every time I saw them together.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know, for instance, on election night, they're sitting next
to each other, engaged deeply in conversation for hours. Donald
Trump was very interested in what Elon Musk had to
say and gave him his undivided attention. And Elon Musk
sacrificed so much, you know, billions of dollars was wiped
off Tesla. He was demonized. He was a darling of
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the left. Now he's an absolute demon of the left.
He I think what happened was he just threw his
all into it, like he does with every project, and
he it just government didn't bend his will like private
companies do. And he buttered heads with some important people
in the administration, including Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant and Secretary
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of State Marco Rubio. I mean, I asked Donald Trump
about that, and he did agree that there was a
fight between Scott Bessont, very loud sort of pushing and
shoving between Scott Bessant and Elon Musk outside the Oval office.
Donald Trump said that there wasn't a fist fight, but
there was shouting, as did you hear it?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And he said yes, And.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I love how he's like, I mean, that's not like
totally unusual.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He was like, this is the high stakes, and I
mean it's true, you think true you should have people
with emotion and he said, he said he to be successful,
you need energy. I thought that was fascinating because we
all hear that Donald Trump never sleeps, He's always thinking.
He's always involved in every detail. And I think that
was kind of kindred spirit with Elon Musk because obviously,
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when you look at Elon you think energy. You know,
this guy has a ton of energy. You said, he
has this portfolio of businesses. He is high energy. But
I do think that he I think from the outside,
we saw that paternal relationship and that I thought was
beautiful because I wanted to ask, do you think that
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you see a difference in this President Trump than the
first term because the grace that he gave him. But
it was almost like he's like, you know what, we
got in a fight. But I don't want you to
trash him because he I think he still has a
bit of ownership over his relationship with Elon, like we
did something together and I'm not gonna let that be
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anything be taken away from that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yes, but also, look, I'm not sure that Donald Trump
has changed.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I think he's one of the few people that doesn't change.
He learns and adapts, which amazing for a person of
his age, but I don't think that personality intrinsically has
changed since he was a child.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I just think he kind of said that, yes, like
people are born.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
This way, and you know, you do learn a bit
as you get older, but you don't really change intrinsically.
He certainly doesn't. And I think Victor Davis Hansen has
made this beautiful point, which is that it doesn't matter
whether Donald Trump is sort of out with the people
of Ohio inspecting you know, that railway disaster that happened
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under Biden, or if he's in boardrooms in Wall Street
or at a rally or in Washington. It doesn't matter
who he's with world leaders. He's exactly the same. He
dresses the same. He doesn't a lot of politicians like
Joe Biden used to do this kind of slum at
go and dress in sort of working working man's clothes
when he went out with the Union guys. No one
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buys it. No, Donald Trump is just Donald Trump, who
he is. But I think look during the debate with
Joe Biden, you saw the similar thing. He could have
gone in for the jugular, which would have been really
ugly because it would have been just kicking a dog
when he's down.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He restrained himself and I think he won points because
he didn't do anything like he just looked quizzically at
the camera and kind of looked at Joe.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Biden and said, you know, I don't know what he
was talking about. I don't think he does either.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That was about as mean as he got, and I
think people respected that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Same with Elon.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I think he looks at Elon and he realized that
Elon can't really help it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, I think he probably was going through a
bit of a manic phase.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You know, he didn't he just didn't have the wherewithal
to discipline himself and not just erupt but his anger
erupt on like a child having a tantrum on Twitter
and saying, you know, ridiculous things that weren't true, provably
weren't true, but just he just wanted to lash out
and hurt Trump. And I think I can understand it
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because you know, he was in the cocoon of the
White House.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He kind of got forced out.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
And he's out back out and he thinks, Okay, well,
I'm just going to fix my companies.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And he realizes what a disaster.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's turned into while he was away because of all
the attacks from the Democrats, and the Democrats really did
inflict damage on him, and in a way they did win.
But he will prevail ultimately. He's so brilliant. I'm sure
he'll come back better than ever. But I think Donald
Trump feels like we all do. Elon Musk is a treasure,
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but he's also fragile and he needs some nurturing and
you know, soft touch, which you're not going to get
from the Democrats, even though he does so much good
for America.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, it's hard to be under the kind of
attack and have the dealerships being set on fire. And
I mean, you think about the contrast of the media
response to Tesla dealerships being set on fire. They couldn't
have cared less to California. They're like, you know what,
burn the gas powered vehicles, because if you burn the
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battery vehicles, then you're going to have an environmental disaster.
Are you kidding me. I cannot believe what I hear
from the mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I mean, look, and the mainstream media is just hand
in glove with these radical Democrats.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean Gavin Newsom and Karen bassibad enough.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
But I just heard what's his name in Chicago Johnson,
the mayor of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh yeah, I'm Brandon Johnson.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Brandon Johnson, Yeah, complete lunatic.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He's just gone out and encouraged the rioters and the
anarchists to do as much damage as they can to
resist Donald Trump and Ice. You know, I don't know
what you do when you have those kind of people
in charge of big cities.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's not what the citizens want.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Nobody in Chicago or in Los Angeles wants their house
or their local business to be burned to the ground.
They don't want to fear for their lives when they
drive down the freeway, or you know, they don't want
their stores being looted. And this is what the Democrats
are enabling and encouraging. And it just reminds me of,
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you know, the Summer of Love so called in twenty twenty,
when Kamala Harris said on television, she goes they should
not stop no, they will not stop, and they should
not stop. She was encouraging them. She was bailing the
rioters out. These rioters are not protesters. They are anarchists.
As Donald Trump says, they are professional agitators.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
They are paid to do this.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And thank goodness, this afternoon, we've got Christino and Pambondie,
Donald Trump, and they're all going to and the irs.
They're all going to track down the source of funding
for these groups, and those people will feel the full force.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of the law.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. We have this problem in Michigan.
This is Michigan is obviously run by Gretchen Whitmer. We
have a massive crime problem that people don't even hear about.
Just before I got in this interview, my girls have
a pool party for the end of school. Drop them off.
(26:28):
I asked one of the moms, how did your summer start?
And she said, well, not good. We dropped our car
off at the Chevy dealer and it was stolen, along
with five other cars that were stolen. It was she said,
totally gutted. We got it back. It has drugs in it,
she said, it's filled with pot smell. She said, I
mean it's totally total. She said, this is a problem
that's happening at dealerships across the state, but no one
(26:50):
gets in trouble. It is. It's just this is how
this is democrat America. Okay, I have one more thing
before I let you go. I just want to get
into We're watching this situation in the Middle East very closely.
Donald Trump said he thinks that he can make a
deal with Iran. He said, it's a little bit questionable
right now. He said, I hope that we can make
(27:10):
a deal instead of having to go in there with
any kind of weapons or force. And that was an
interesting statement he made on your podcast, because that is
leading us to believe that if they aren't going to
if they try to get a weapon, he will take
he will take action.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, he's been crystal clear about that, and I think
it was interesting on the podcast. He just had the
meeting in Camp David with Secuary of State Marco Rubio,
and he said all the admirals and generals. He wouldn't
explain exactly what they were talking about, fair enough, but
he did say one of the topics was Iran, and
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I asked him about, you know, can we stop run from.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Getting a nuclear weapon?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
He said, They're not going to get one one way
or the other, and I'd like to do it, you know,
the nice way, with no one getting killed.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We want to do a deal with Iran. We want
them to prosper. We will help them prosper, We'll do
trade with them. But there's no way they're getting the weapon,
the nuclear weapon. And I mean, I think he's resolution
about that.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And we've just seen yesterday all the American personnel in
the Middle East have been scaled back, that been brought
home in preparation for.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Something probably Israel.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I mean, they're ready to go to bomb the nuclear
facilities to stop Iran from being able to actually build
that bomb or go to the fight. I mean, we
keep on being told they're twenty eight days from having
a bomb, but I mean that's been going on for years,
so I don't know quite what the truth of all
that is. But certainly Israel's ready to go, and they
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need American help. I'm told that there are American planes
and need it to carry some of these big bombs
that have that need to get underground.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
So I look, if that happens.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I think, you know, it was just like when Donald
Trump wiped out Solomony in his first term. He wiped
out Isis. People warned of escalation and so on, but
he's very precise.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
He doesn't want war.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
He's not captive to the military industrial complex. Quite the opposite.
They are very hostile to him and his implacable enemy
because they see him as an existential threat to their
business model. Doesn't want war, but that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Doesn't mean he's not going to be strong when he
needs to be. So you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It is frightening times, but I think it's more frightening
if Iran becomes a nuclear power.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I agree. I mean, but for folks out there who
are listening, there's so much more that they can learn
about that. But other things on the podcast, on your
new podcast, it's pod Force one, check it out because
there's a lot we didn't cover. I mean, he gets
into some personal stuff about family, about music, about the kids.
He talks about Gavin Newsom and what went on there
(30:08):
and some of the stories Gavin told that aren't true.
So I really encourage people to go listen to it.
Is there someplace that you want to promote it. What
would you like to say about it?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Thanks, Tutor.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes, look, it's very easy to find. It's pod Force one.
Just go to Apple podcasts, go to Spotify, go to YouTube, Amazon,
wherever you get your podcasts, and just click subscribe and
please do a five star review or alike whatever it is.
If you like it, please give me it, give me
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the thumbs up and home email.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
An accent is really like a guilty pleasure for Americans.
So we'll just go listen to it because you sound
so wonderful.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Oh, thank you very much to you and you're a darling.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, thank you so much, Miranda Devine. Go check out
her podcast again. It's pod Force one. We're so glad
you came on today. Thank you for joining me, and
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am so excited
today because my friend Miranda Devine is here. She is,
as you probably know, an award winning calumnist at The
New York Post. But now she has a new podcast.
It's called Podforce one, and she just happened to launch
it with like the best guest ever, President Donald Trump.
Thank you so much for being here, Miranda.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh, thanks for having me, Tutor. It's great to be
with you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I thought your interview was fantastic. I mean I listened
to it, and it covered so many things, but it's
it was also fantastic because I think President Trump was
more open and honest and relaxed than I've seen him
in a long time. I felt like he just knew
you were there to have a good conversation with him,
and you got a lot of really strong information from him,
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which was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And look, I mean, it's hard to do a bad
interview with President Trump because he's really so generous with
his time, his thoughts, his kind of perceptions about the
world and people. If you care to not do gotcha
questions all the time and you have some respect, he
(01:13):
gives a lot and he knows a lot, and he's
been through a lot. He has a lot of wisdom,
a lot of insight, a lot of access to the
most powerful people in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So he's really worth listening to.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, that's such a good point that if you don't attack,
and we don't always have to be attacking everybody. And
you gave him a lot of opportunity to talk about
what happened in the Biden administration, what's happening in his administration.
I thought one part was really interesting because you went
through the auto pen in great detail and said, you know,
were these crimes that were committed? And I thought he
(01:49):
gave a lot of grace there because he said, look,
it's not up for me to go after him. And
he said I don't actually think Joe Biden knew what
he was doing. I think other people used it. And
he gave him a lot of credit for what he
thought in the past. I felt that was interesting too,
because Donald Trump was looking at who Joe Biden had
(02:09):
been before he kind of lost as marbles and said
he was never for open borders, he was never for
any of this. He said, they took over the White House,
what was What did you think when you heard him
say that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I actually that was one aspect that I did not
agree with him on it. I mean, I wasn't going
to challenge him there and then because it's really just
an opinion. And I just think he's given too much
grace to Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden really has
never believed in anything. He's just a hollow man who's
(02:43):
gone with the flow. So when the flow in the
Democratic Party was to be tough on crime, he was
the toughest you could get on crime. You know, it
was three strikes and you're out. You know, get tough
on crack dealers, etc. But when things turned in the
other direction, I mean you just remember in the twenty
twenty primaries when all those Democrats were up on stage
(03:05):
and they were asked, would you give.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Free medicare to illegal aliens?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And they all put up their hands, including most enthusiastically
was Joe Biden. So I think, particularly when it came
to the border, I think that this was something he
was well in favor of. He didn't not know what
was going on, of course he knew, and I think
maybe he'd been.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, look, there are three possibilities.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Either he was simply a puppet, lazy, kind of losing
his marbles and just didn't fight against anything, just was
quite happy. I think really his main aim to become
president was the glory of it, the respect he got,
the plane, you know, Air Force one, the house, the
(03:54):
White House camp, David swaning around the world, being the
big man on campus. That is I think what motivated
him more than anything else. I don't really think he
was that interested in making America a better place, you know,
having peace.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I don't think that even really was part of his mindset,
whereas that is exactly what Donald Trump thinks about all
the time. So, either Joe Biden was just lazy and
decided to outsource the important parts of his presidency to
other people because he was too old, too tired, too lazy,
too be fuddled to do it himself, or he was
(04:35):
just always been a chameleon, and he's just a pure
political animal. And he goes wherever the party, wherever's beneficial
to him to maintain his power wherever the party is gone,
and the party has gone well left. And he was
like this moderate fig leaf that they used to win
(04:55):
the twenty twenty election. And you know, he had a
lot of problems, mainly his corruption, but also secondarily, I
would say, his cognitive decline, which obviously accelerated over his presidency.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But they buried all that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They covered up his corruption, they covered up his cognitive issues,
they installed him as their candidate, and they rigged the
election to make sure he won. And America has paid
the consequences ever since. And now Donald Trump's trying to
clean up the mess. And the third option, I guess
is that he was so befuddled that he didn't know
(05:32):
what was going on. But I think that's the least likely,
but I think it is the most charitable, and I
guess from Donald Trump's point of view, he doesn't want
to trash previous presidents because that trashes the presidency, and
he believes very deeply in the prestige of the presidency,
and of course he's there, so it benefits him.
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think it's so much better than what we saw Joe
(07:36):
Biden do for four years, going after Donald Trump and
trying his hardest to get him convicted of a crime,
and he would trash him publicly. And I thought it
was such an incredible moment to hear Donald Trump give
him grace. But I want to get into what you
said because I think that you see things in a
way a lot of people don't, because for years we
(07:58):
have been so duped by that typical politician. And what
you said just now really resonated with me because I
see it in Michigan. I mean, I see it with
Gretchen Whitmer, but I see it with Republicans too, where
it's like, I'll say whatever it takes to get to
that next level of power. And I think that's the
most dangerous person out there. And how do we tell
the public to be prepared or warn them of who
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that person is?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Look, that's such a good question.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I think it's the essential question of politics, and it's
an age old question, you know. I think that's why
politicians are pretty down on the totem polo, although I
think journalists reason law. Look, what has always been the
protection against the snake oil salesman politician is a robust
(08:47):
and honest media. And unfortunately the fourth estate has become
corrupted itself for various reasons. I mean, there are some structural,
kind of monetary reasons that Internet just totally disrupted the
sources of income for the established media brands. Moving to
a subscriber base has meant you know, like the New
(09:11):
York Times has quite successfully, but that means that they're
captive to their subscribers. That's their constituency. It's not really
to sept tolic.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, and I really thought about that. But you have
people paying for your product, so you better deliver what
they're expecting you to deliver exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And you know, it's very cheap to get a subscription
to the New York Times. They're always doing, you know, bargains,
and if you say you're going to you're going to cancel,
then they give you an.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Even bigger bargain.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean, you can get it for you know, a
few cents a week and or a dollar a week anyway,
but if you if.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You bargain, you can get it for less.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
So I find it interesting, like the subscribe, but who
the subscribers are is a big secret. You know, they
will not allow anyone to see it, they know. But
what's to stop big blocks of activists.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
From buying, you know, spending a million dollars buying a
million subscriptions. That's cheap. What's to stop China from doing that?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, it's a much easier way of controlling the
New York Times. You know, you buy ten million subscriptions
and you control the paper. It's a lot cheaper than
buying shares in New York Times company.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
I mean, that's bad. That's fascinating to think about because
we have had Gordon chang On here so many times,
and he's talked about all the different ways that China
infiltrates the United States in ways you don't know and
you don't think about. And honestly, that's something I hadn't
thought about, the fact that the subscribers make the paper
trend one way or the other. But yeah, absolutely, And
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why wouldn't they That is an inexpensive way to disrupt
and cause chaos in the United States. And chaos is
what they want exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Chaos is what they want.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And you know, when people can't, you know, the public
can't believe anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, they've lost trust in institutions.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I think, you know, the twenty four election was a
real watershed in the sort of red pilling of America because.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You know, there we.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Had most of the mainstream media telling the public that
Donald Trump was you know, like Nazi, he was Hitler,
he was an insurrectionist, he was a criminal, he was
a crook, he was a Russian spy.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean, whatever they could throw in him, they threw
at him. He was amoral, he was a degenerate, he's stupid,
he's senile, I mean, you name it. They blagouted his
reputation every which way, and it worked. And not just
in America.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Around the world there are still country Sweden and Australia
saw a pole recently where something like sixty or seventy
percent and you know, don't like Donald Trump, they.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Reject his leadership.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And in America, what happened was that the public started
to disbelieve and distrust those media organs that had been
lying to them for so long, and they voted for
Donald Trump in droves.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They saw behind it, they went to alternative media.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Donald Trump was very good at going outside the mainstream
media and connecting directly with the audience. I mean, his
rallies are important for that reason. His superb genius level
communication skills. Nobody does it like him. He's mocked for
his simple use of language, but I mean that's the
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greatest writing of all is distilling complicated topics down to
a simple message. And that's what he does, and he
gets through to people. He gets through their.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Hearts and their minds.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And he managed to bypass the New York Times, the
rancid Lies from MSNBC, Washington Post, c and then you know,
ABC News, all of them, and he won the popular vote.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think. But I think you so many people had
a big part in this because you broke the story
on the Hunter Biden laptop and it was disappeared, and
I think that was a kind of a moment where
there were a lot of people. I mean, you talk
about the red pilling of America, but there were a
lot of people who at that moment went why would
(13:37):
they get taken off of Twitter? Why would they be
ban from all these places? And so along the way
the way it had to happen, and I think it
had to happen this way. And I really believe that
this is the reason Donald Trump didn't have a second
term in twenty twenty was because I believe that God
was looking out for us and saying, there is so
much bad happening behind the scenes that you have to
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know about it. And you broke that story. Everything got disappeared.
Elon Musk came in and he said, we're going to
expose this. We're gonna have the Twitter files come out.
And that was a shocking moment. Those those hearings were unescapable.
People could there was no going back for the Democrats
at that point and say no, we didn't go and
(14:22):
help pick out this conservative and kick him off, pick
out this conservative and kick him off. We didn't actually
take away your free speech. They couldn't say that because
they had done that. And I thought you had a
very sweet exchange with President Trump about Elon Musk, because
of course we saw the big blow up, and I
think that Elon, you know, he made the point he said, Oh,
(14:43):
he wouldn't have one without me, Donald Trump. No one
can take this election away from Donald Trump. No one
can take anything away. Like you said, he's a master communicator.
He went places that he couldn't have gone. But I
do think that everyone played a role to get us here,
and Elon gave up a lot. I don't know why
he did what he did recently. I think that you
(15:06):
can tell me your opinion, but I think that when
you haven't run for office, and he hasn't run for office,
there are a lot of people who got involved in
the Trump campaign when feelings were high. Everybody was excited,
and there is an energy when you walk out on
that stage with Donald Trump. You feel it. You feel
(15:26):
this love, this amazing overwhelming sense of joy at those rallies.
You just talked about it. And Elon had seen that,
but he became kind of the figure I think even
Saul Alinsky was always the theory of his ruining and
disruption of a country is to focus on one character
and take them down, and that was kind of what
the Democrats did with Elon Musk. They were like, zoom
(15:49):
in on this guy, make him the enemy. Do you
think that that was too much for him. Donald Trump
wasn't mean when you talked about it. He said, there's
no hard feelings, which I think people weren't ex.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, that's just fascinating what you've just said. I agree
with it all. And yes, Donald Trump was very gracious
about Elon Musk. Elon had said some terrible things about him,
things that you can't take back and really you can't forget.
And you know, everyone expects Donald Trump to hit back harder,
(16:23):
but he's discerning and he understands that Elon is a
different type of person, you know, almost childlike in some ways.
Elon himself has said that he's on the spectrum that
he suffers from depression. He has a different kind of
emotional and mental makeup to the average person, which is
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probably the key to his incredible success. I mean, you
don't get to be the richest man in the world
with this corn ucopia of different companies where you're breaking
ground and just doing the most amazing things and amazing
things for humanity.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I think he really has a good heart, and he
does want to help people who can't walk to walk again,
help the blind to see, get mankind to Mars.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He really is just an extraordinary man.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
But I saw him at the White House, as I said,
and he really had a kind of a paternal relationship,
you know, father son relationship with Donald Trump. And because
he had a terrible childhood of his own, his father
was just a monster from all accounts. And Elon says
that himself and so and Donald Trump's the opposite. I mean,
(17:34):
people don't give him credit for this, but he really
is great with children. You see kids around him, they
flock to him. Kids and dogs always have an instinct
about adults who are safe to be around, and they
flock to Donald Trump and he likes them. You know,
he doesn't pander to them, but he just likes them
and they get that good vibe from him. And Elon
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was like that too, and he's Donald Trump is a
can't man, and like he has great relationships with all
his adult children. They're all well adjusted adults.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And I think with Elon Musk, he probably detected that
he was someone in need of kind of emotional fulfillment
of some you know, sustenance, warmth, kindness. And look, he stayed.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Overnight a couple of times with Donald Trump in the residence,
slept in the Lincoln bedroom.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They talked every time I saw them together.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You know, for instance, on election night, they're sitting next
to each other, engaged deeply in conversation for hours. Donald
Trump was very interested in what Elon Musk had to
say and gave him his undivided attention. And Elon Musk
sacrificed so much, you know, billions of dollars was wiped
off Tesla. He was demonized. He was a darling of
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the left. Now he's an absolute demon of the left.
He I think what happened was he just threw his
all into it, like he does with every project, and
he it just government didn't bend his will like private
companies do. And he buttered heads with some important people
in the administration, including Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant and Secretary
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of State Marco Rubio. I mean, I asked Donald Trump
about that, and he did agree that there was a
fight between Scott Bessont, very loud sort of pushing and
shoving between Scott Bessant and Elon Musk outside the Oval office.
Donald Trump said that there wasn't a fist fight, but
there was shouting, as did you hear it?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And he said yes, And.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I love how he's like, I mean, that's not like
totally unusual.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He was like, this is the high stakes, and I
mean it's true, you think true you should have people
with emotion and he said, he said he to be successful,
you need energy. I thought that was fascinating because we
all hear that Donald Trump never sleeps, He's always thinking.
He's always involved in every detail. And I think that
was kind of kindred spirit with Elon Musk because obviously,
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when you look at Elon you think energy. You know,
this guy has a ton of energy. You said, he
has this portfolio of businesses. He is high energy. But
I do think that he I think from the outside,
we saw that paternal relationship and that I thought was
beautiful because I wanted to ask, do you think that
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you see a difference in this President Trump than the
first term because the grace that he gave him. But
it was almost like he's like, you know what, we
got in a fight. But I don't want you to
trash him because he I think he still has a
bit of ownership over his relationship with Elon, like we
did something together and I'm not gonna let that be
(20:45):
anything be taken away from that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yes, but also, look, I'm not sure that Donald Trump
has changed.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I think he's one of the few people that doesn't change.
He learns and adapts, which amazing for a person of
his age, but I don't think that personality intrinsically has
changed since he was a child.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I just think he kind of said that, yes, like
people are born.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
This way, and you know, you do learn a bit
as you get older, but you don't really change intrinsically.
He certainly doesn't. And I think Victor Davis Hansen has
made this beautiful point, which is that it doesn't matter
whether Donald Trump is sort of out with the people
of Ohio inspecting you know, that railway disaster that happened
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under Biden, or if he's in boardrooms in Wall Street
or at a rally or in Washington. It doesn't matter
who he's with world leaders. He's exactly the same. He
dresses the same. He doesn't a lot of politicians like
Joe Biden used to do this kind of slum at
go and dress in sort of working working man's clothes
when he went out with the Union guys. No one
(21:56):
buys it. No, Donald Trump is just Donald Trump, who
he is. But I think look during the debate with
Joe Biden, you saw the similar thing. He could have
gone in for the jugular, which would have been really
ugly because it would have been just kicking a dog
when he's down.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He restrained himself and I think he won points because
he didn't do anything like he just looked quizzically at
the camera and kind of looked at Joe.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Biden and said, you know, I don't know what he
was talking about. I don't think he does either.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That was about as mean as he got, and I
think people respected that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Same with Elon.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I think he looks at Elon and he realized that
Elon can't really help it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, I think he probably was going through a
bit of a manic phase.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You know, he didn't he just didn't have the wherewithal
to discipline himself and not just erupt but his anger
erupt on like a child having a tantrum on Twitter
and saying, you know, ridiculous things that weren't true, provably
weren't true, but just he just wanted to lash out
and hurt Trump. And I think I can understand it
(23:03):
because you know, he was in the cocoon of the
White House.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He kind of got forced out.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
And he's out back out and he thinks, Okay, well,
I'm just going to fix my companies.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And he realizes what a disaster.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's turned into while he was away because of all
the attacks from the Democrats, and the Democrats really did
inflict damage on him, and in a way they did win.
But he will prevail ultimately. He's so brilliant. I'm sure
he'll come back better than ever. But I think Donald
Trump feels like we all do. Elon Musk is a treasure,
(23:37):
but he's also fragile and he needs some nurturing and
you know, soft touch, which you're not going to get
from the Democrats, even though he does so much good
for America.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, it's hard to be under the kind of
attack and have the dealerships being set on fire. And
I mean, you think about the contrast of the media
response to Tesla dealerships being set on fire. They couldn't
have cared less to California. They're like, you know what,
burn the gas powered vehicles, because if you burn the
(24:09):
battery vehicles, then you're going to have an environmental disaster.
Are you kidding me. I cannot believe what I hear
from the mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I mean, look, and the mainstream media is just hand
in glove with these radical Democrats.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean Gavin Newsom and Karen bassibad enough.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
But I just heard what's his name in Chicago Johnson,
the mayor of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh yeah, I'm Brandon Johnson.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Brandon Johnson, Yeah, complete lunatic.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He's just gone out and encouraged the rioters and the
anarchists to do as much damage as they can to
resist Donald Trump and Ice. You know, I don't know
what you do when you have those kind of people
in charge of big cities.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's not what the citizens want.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Nobody in Chicago or in Los Angeles wants their house
or their local business to be burned to the ground.
They don't want to fear for their lives when they
drive down the freeway, or you know, they don't want
their stores being looted. And this is what the Democrats
are enabling and encouraging. And it just reminds me of,
(25:24):
you know, the Summer of Love so called in twenty twenty,
when Kamala Harris said on television, she goes they should
not stop no, they will not stop, and they should
not stop. She was encouraging them. She was bailing the
rioters out. These rioters are not protesters. They are anarchists.
As Donald Trump says, they are professional agitators.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
They are paid to do this.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And thank goodness, this afternoon, we've got Christino and Pambondie,
Donald Trump, and they're all going to and the irs.
They're all going to track down the source of funding
for these groups, and those people will feel the full force.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of the law.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. We have this problem in Michigan.
This is Michigan is obviously run by Gretchen Whitmer. We
have a massive crime problem that people don't even hear about.
Just before I got in this interview, my girls have
a pool party for the end of school. Drop them off.
(26:28):
I asked one of the moms, how did your summer start?
And she said, well, not good. We dropped our car
off at the Chevy dealer and it was stolen, along
with five other cars that were stolen. It was she said,
totally gutted. We got it back. It has drugs in it,
she said, it's filled with pot smell. She said, I
mean it's totally total. She said, this is a problem
that's happening at dealerships across the state, but no one
(26:50):
gets in trouble. It is. It's just this is how
this is democrat America. Okay, I have one more thing
before I let you go. I just want to get
into We're watching this situation in the Middle East very closely.
Donald Trump said he thinks that he can make a
deal with Iran. He said, it's a little bit questionable
right now. He said, I hope that we can make
(27:10):
a deal instead of having to go in there with
any kind of weapons or force. And that was an
interesting statement he made on your podcast, because that is
leading us to believe that if they aren't going to
if they try to get a weapon, he will take
he will take action.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, he's been crystal clear about that, and I think
it was interesting on the podcast. He just had the
meeting in Camp David with Secuary of State Marco Rubio,
and he said all the admirals and generals. He wouldn't
explain exactly what they were talking about, fair enough, but
he did say one of the topics was Iran, and
(27:48):
I asked him about, you know, can we stop run from.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Getting a nuclear weapon?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
He said, They're not going to get one one way
or the other, and I'd like to do it, you know,
the nice way, with no one getting killed.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We want to do a deal with Iran. We want
them to prosper. We will help them prosper, We'll do
trade with them. But there's no way they're getting the weapon,
the nuclear weapon. And I mean, I think he's resolution
about that.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And we've just seen yesterday all the American personnel in
the Middle East have been scaled back, that been brought
home in preparation for.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Something probably Israel.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I mean, they're ready to go to bomb the nuclear
facilities to stop Iran from being able to actually build
that bomb or go to the fight. I mean, we
keep on being told they're twenty eight days from having
a bomb, but I mean that's been going on for years,
so I don't know quite what the truth of all
that is. But certainly Israel's ready to go, and they
(28:53):
need American help. I'm told that there are American planes
and need it to carry some of these big bombs
that have that need to get underground.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
So I look, if that happens.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I think, you know, it was just like when Donald
Trump wiped out Solomony in his first term. He wiped
out Isis. People warned of escalation and so on, but
he's very precise.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
He doesn't want war.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
He's not captive to the military industrial complex. Quite the opposite.
They are very hostile to him and his implacable enemy
because they see him as an existential threat to their
business model. Doesn't want war, but that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Doesn't mean he's not going to be strong when he
needs to be. So you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It is frightening times, but I think it's more frightening
if Iran becomes a nuclear power.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I agree. I mean, but for folks out there who
are listening, there's so much more that they can learn
about that. But other things on the podcast, on your
new podcast, it's pod Force one, check it out because
there's a lot we didn't cover. I mean, he gets
into some personal stuff about family, about music, about the kids.
He talks about Gavin Newsom and what went on there
(30:08):
and some of the stories Gavin told that aren't true.
So I really encourage people to go listen to it.
Is there someplace that you want to promote it. What
would you like to say about it?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Thanks, Tutor.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes, look, it's very easy to find. It's pod Force one.
Just go to Apple podcasts, go to Spotify, go to YouTube, Amazon,
wherever you get your podcasts, and just click subscribe and
please do a five star review or alike whatever it is.
If you like it, please give me it, give me
(30:41):
the thumbs up and home email.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
An accent is really like a guilty pleasure for Americans.
So we'll just go listen to it because you sound
so wonderful.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Oh, thank you very much to you and you're a darling.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, thank you so much, Miranda Devine. Go check out
her podcast again. It's pod Force one. We're so glad
you came on today. Thank you for joining me, and
thank you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
For this episode and others, go to Tutordison podcast dot com,
the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts,
and you can see the whole video on Rumble at
Tutor Dixon. Join us next time and have a blessed day.
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