July 28, 2025 • 22 mins
In this episode Tudor interviews investigative journalist Lee Smith about the ongoing implications of the Russia investigation and its impact on Donald Trump's presidency. They discuss the role of media in shaping the narrative, the accountability of intelligence officials, and the potential for civil suits against those involved in the political lawfare against Trump. Smith emphasizes the importance of justice for Trump and his associates, as well as the need for accountability for the media's involvement in the intelligence operations surrounding the investigation. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure you have
all seen what's going on with Russia, Russia Russia investigation,
and now Donald Trump has come out and said that
essentially he's accusing Obama of treason. So we figured we
would go to the man with all of the history,
all of the research, and that is Lee Smith. He
is a longtime journalist and New York Times best selling
(00:22):
author with over thirty years of experience working in the
media business.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So, mister Smith, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Thank you so much Tudor for inviting me on today.
It's a pleasure to be with you and your great audience.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Absolutely So, you've been following the Russia hoax for a
very long time. You've written numerous books. The Plot against
the President is one of them. So what is your
take on what's happening today.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well, I think it's terrific.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's very exciting because the documents that are coming out
are shedding more light on the different things that we've
been talking about for some time now. But again, finding
the documents be able to put being able to really
focus people's attention on stuff that's that's come out from
the government of the United States, because it's one thing
for a reporter to I mean, I've written three books
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on this now, but you know, it's one thing for
a reporter to write about, and it's another thing for
people to see, you know, the Director of National Intelligence
saying yes, this is exactly what happened. And you know,
I try to encourage people to be optimistic. I know
that there's some skepticism that anything will really happen because
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we've been waiting for justice for quite some time. But
I'm certainly optimistic, guarded, but optimistic.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Nonetheless, Well, I think that's what a lot of certainly
Republicans want. We feel like what happened to him was out.
I feel like he lost the majority of his first
term because of this. Yes, and we were told the
whole time we were silly for thinking that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, no, I mean, you know, the Mollelor investigation took
nearly two years of his term. The Republicans lost lost
the midterms, the twenty eighteen midterms in part because of
the Russia investigation, because of all the noise about Russia.
I believe there's been polling on that to show that
is the case. So yes, of course, so it's certainly
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justice for the president as well as well as the
president's family if you look at the different things they.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Were put through.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it's also justice for the different Trump aids from
Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Michael Kaputo, a whole bunch of
different people, but also certainly for the people that voted
for the president in that first term, when they voted
for his policies, to see his policies implemented. In the
entire play, the purpose of Russia Gate was to obstruct
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President Trump from implementing his agenda. So we're talking about
justice here, not just for the president, not just his administration,
but for the American public as a whole. People who
didn't vote for Donald Trump should certainly want our constitution,
republic to work in such a way so that when
people vote for something, they actually get a chance to
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see that happen, not that it's obstructed and blocked by
intelligence services and law enforcement authorities. So yes, again, this
is why we want justice, and again there's reason to
be optimistic that we will get justice at last.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So the narrative started before the election, and I think
that the Democrats have always felt that they controlled the media.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean, even when you look back at.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
The visuals right, well, exactly, and I think that by
doing that, they've believed that by controlling the media, they
controlled the American people's minds, and historically I think that
was correct. But I think twenty sixteen was that moment
where they went oh my. I mean you could see
it in their faces on election night. You could see
them going, how did this happen? We told them to
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vote for Hillary and they started this narrative before the
election obviously that Donald Trump was the Russian agent and
it didn't work out for them. How panicked did they
become when they went, oh my gosh, he's actually going
to be present and he's actually going to have access.
How much did they ramp it up at that point?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, I mean, you know what happened. I think it's
important to break Russia Gate down to two different parts.
The first part is the pre election part, whereas you say,
this is the Hillary Clinton campaign funneling the Russia garbage
into the media, and we see different eruptions of this
and every possible liberal publication that still exists.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
But they did.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Something very bad pre election, and that was that the
FBI this, you know, use this nonsense as the predicate
for a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. That
was a very very bad thing that was unlawful. After
the election, it turns into something else. That's when and
this is what Donald Trump is referring to, what others
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are referring to. And this is what these documents are about.
They're about the post election aspect of Russia Gate, when
Barack Obama took control. And that's what these documents that
dn I Telsea Gabbard showed and has been talking about.
That's what this represents, the post election aspect of Russia Gate.
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And obvious it's very much the case that Barack Obama
did take control. That Barack Obama went to his intelligence
community leaders, John Brennan in particular, and said, here's what
I want. I want Trump smeared as a Russian agent,
and I want this done and I want it on
my desk before I leave office January twentieth. And that's
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precisely what happened. Again, these were different things that we
knew and understood. I mean, it's starting right at the beginning.
We knew that Barack Obama was doing this. Everything that
he was doing after the election regarding Trump was a
purpose to delegitimized on Trump's presidency.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But now again, these documents shed more light on this,
So it's not just it's not just journalist Lee Smith
talking about this. There are actual, you know again, official
government records showing what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is treason too strong of a word?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, you know, you know, I'm not a lawyer,
and frankly, I mean I think that's uh. I really
can't say. I think that we.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Throw around the word like trees in an awful lot.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I mean, I don't know there were laws broke in
here that I do know, and I can point to
different places where we can see evidence of that. I'm
not sure. And again I'm not a lawyer, So I'm
saying I'm not sure that if in the documents that
D and I declassified, if there's evidence of criminal activity
with what Barack Obama did, what there is evidence of,
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and this is very important, is that Barack Obama took
control of Russia Gate that we know. Was that in
itself eagle.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Or yeah? Was that in itself criminal? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
There are different things though, that CIA director John Brennan
did that I can point to that are definitely look
to be look to be illegal. And remember what's going
on here. While this is happening, while some of these
documents are being declassified and being released, we're seeing very
solid reporting by John Solomon among others, saying that the
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FBI and DOJ have opened up a very large criminal
conspiracy case regarding the weaponization of the federal government. And
this conspiracy goes from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four.
So that's one reason again why people should be optimistic.
And so far as we've been concerned about statute of
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limitations going from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, that's
a long period of time and it means that we're
safely that the statute of limitations have not expired. So
obviously do OJ as finding criminal activity there. Remember the
news SAI director John Ratcliffe referred John Brennan to a
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criminal investor for a criminal investigation to FBI Director Cash Bettel.
So again, there are there there, there's plenty of evidence
of crimes, whether what whether what the forty fourth American
president did, whether there's evidence of that or not, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You say that you have evidence against John Brennan, but
there is, there's got to be someone.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean what it's clear what happened. I mean,
you know these reports about the Intelligence Community Assessment, which
is what Obama ordered Rennant to finish. I mean, this
is one of the things. This is one of the
things that these documents are about. And also I should
add that this in twenty nineteen, Devin Nunez, when he
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was Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, he made eat
criminal referrals to the Department of Justice. His lead investigator
at the time was Cash Battel, who's now the director
of the FBI. One of these referrals was about tampering
with intelligence, right, and that appears to refer to the
Intelligence Community Assessment, what Barack Obama ordered John Brennan to
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have done by the time he left office. So if
then Chairman Nunez and his lead investigator, Cash Pateel found
criminal activity there, then that's certainly something they'll be looking
at now. And again, remember what Cash Hotel is doing
now he's the FBI director, so I imagine that's one
of the things they'll be looking at closely.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So he has all the information, he's been working on
this for years.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
This is not something he needs to catch up on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think that's something important for the American people to understand.
He's walking in with a wealth of knowledge on this already,
and I think that when you hear in the mainstream media,
they're like, Oh, this is a distraction, this is crazy,
this is insane. But they really did fight to make
sure that they were going to win the twenty twenty
four election. I mean, when you look at all of
(10:09):
the law fair and everything they did to Trump, they
wanted to make sure Trump was not getting back into office.
I think they wanted to make sure any Republican, but
specifically Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean, we have to look at everything that happened
starting in twenty twenty three regarding Donald Trump in twenty
twenty three, let's start with twenty twenty. Let's start with
twenty twenty, the twenty twenty election, and you know, we'll
leave aside right now the question of the probity of
that election, but certainly everything that happened, I mean, you know,
Trump was banned from social media, they raided his home
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at mar A Lago, an enormous campaign of law fair
designed to impoverish and imprison him. And he got through
all of these things and he survived. He survived getting
shot in the head. Right, So, no, no one. The
Democrats certainly did not expect that Donald Trump was going
to be president again in twenty twenty four. And you know,
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remember they've done there, They've done their very best to
block to block not just not just that anyone would
be held accountable for this, but that anyone would ever
know anything about this. I'd look at all the people
that they attacked during Trump's first term, look at the
different look at the different hurdles they set up for
President Trump. So we're looking at something very different now
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in twenty twenty four. President Trump has the right people
in place. While we're demanding accountability, there are the right
people in place to see that that happened. So no,
they didn't expect that they would ever have to pay
a price for this, and now it appears that that
may happen.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But when you look back at it like that, I mean,
that is severe desperation. All of the things, you know,
sometimes you forget, but when you lay it all out,
the rate of mar A Lago, the attack against the president,
the multiple assassination attempts, the lawfare, all of it is
pretty disgusting. There has to be some level that Obama
knew that he was going to be in big trouble
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if this was found out. And I do think that
there's a challenge in ever going after a president, and
there's also a moral question about going after a past
president because then when does it end? And I think
that's my concern, that's a lot of people's concern that
if you do that, you never get away from doing that.
But I just want to go back to when President
Trump was going through this, A lot of people around
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him were accused of crimes, sent to prison, had to
pay their life savings to try to get out of this.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
With court cases.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
If you look back and you say this was all manufactured,
don't some of those people have to go to jail?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I yes, absolutely, I mean, and those are the people
that I think that are. You know, you're talking about
the deaferent intelligence officials like Brennan and Comin that some
of the top FBI people were involved. Yes, certainly, right,
I mean, so you know, I mean, Barack Obama is
the former in the United States. I tend to find
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it unlikely though, again I've been writing for many years
about how Barack Obama clearly or obviously was the head
of this operation, as well as many others. I mean,
we have to remember Barack Obama is popping his head
up all the time with everything. He popped his head
up with COVID. Right, He's encouraging US mayors to keep
their cities closed, the purpose of which was to destroy
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Trump's economy. Then he's out there shilling for all of
the different new election processes which were designed to facilitate
voter fraud, which is what we saw in twenty twenty.
So Barack Obama is all over this from twenty sixteen
at least through twenty twenty again. But the idea that
Barack Obama is going to be charged I don't know,
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but certainly yes, up and down the line, the tops
FBI officials, because it's mostly the FBI and DOJ, the
top officials there, they absolutely have to be held accountable.
And that the people you're hearring few people like Michael Flynn,
like Roger Stone, Michael Capudo. I hope all of these
people bring enormous civil suits against the Department of Justice,
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against the FBI, and against the individuals responsible for this.
I think that this is, oh, it's part of our
legal system. These people were wrong, some of them were bankrupted,
some of them were deeply hurt. I mean what they
did to Roger Stone, I mean they said the swat
team at his house.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean when you bring these things up, you forget
about them. His wife is an older woman and there
she is with a swat team around her bed.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah. I mean, you know, very sick people who did this.
And of course we have to keep in mind, we
have to remember the media that was a part of this.
In that particular case, it was CNN. So these every
second disgusting people and they need to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And we say that the media, they were there. I
mean I want to point that out. You're talking about CNN.
They were somehow outside. So this was clearly coordinated.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, this is something that I think is very important
to understand, and a lot of conservatives, Republicans, even Trump supporters,
I don't think they they really dealt with a full
scope of what the media is at this point. You know,
there are a lot of people and there still are
and you can turn on different you know, conservative networks
to read different conservative writers and talk about the bias media,
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the liberal media, the left media, it's like, okay, I
mean you're talking about you know, that's that's what we
saw in the seventies and eighties and the sixties or whatever.
We're seeing something very different now. What happened during Russia
Gate was the media collacse. The media was part of
an intelligence operation targeting the president of the United States.
It's not that they're bias, right, they were part of
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an intelligence operation.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So let's let's.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Let's call it for exactly what what what happened, right,
And that's why CNN was on the spot.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It wasn't a tip that that's some savvy reporter that
some savvy reporter won somehow. Right. They were part of
the operation. And that's what we saw all throughout Russia Gates.
So while we're talking about whole political figures like the
like Barack Obama, UH and intelligence officials like John Brennan accountable,
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the media must also the people who are playing the
role of the media must also be held accountable.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I don't at that starts at the very least with
recognizing who they are. Right, this is not the media
that we may remember from our from our earlier years.
They were the platform for an intelligence operation.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. The American people have historically trusted
the media, but we've recently seen I mean even this,
even watching Stephen Colbert get canceled and have these indignant
reporters come out and say, how can this be? Is
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there a political reason behind this? Because it's almost like
they have been a part of this club and they're like,
somebody doesn't get kicked out of the club, and we
are seeing it totally differently than what it potentially actually
is with the intelligence agency working with them.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
How anyone could defend Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, two
of the unfunniest people, I mean two of the squarest people.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Can you imagine how square you have to be to
watch Stephen Colbert? I mean, give me a break, I mean,
play a game of Solitaire that you know, play a
game of Solitaire that's hipper than watching Stephen Colbert. Oh
I watched Stephen Colbert. Wow, what a cool daddy O
you must be. That's really funny, Stephen Colbert. Oh, John Stewart,
you know what a bunch of just it's just disgusting.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
So for me.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That doesn't even have anything to do with media or
you know, or or or the intelligence operations they've been running.
And say, where do you get off watching Stephen Colbert?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Please? That is how?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That is the American public that you're fighting against the
people who are desperately seeking.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I don't think that's the American public. I think that's
a bunch of square balls in New York and LA
and elsewhere who think that's somehow that that that that
marks the zenith of American culture and comedy. I mean,
for Pete's sake, you.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Know, yes, yes, I agree. So I will just end
on this. I want to ask you one more thing.
You talked about civil suits. We've said Barack Obama is
potentially protected as a past president from any criminal liability.
I think that's going to be hard to pin on
him because I do think that he'll come up with
executive privilege and all of that. But he has become
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extraordinarily wealthy since he was president. You talked about many
people in the Trump administration that it costs them a
lot of money. Is there a potential civil suit or
multiple civil suits against the Obamas.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I don't know that. That's very interesting. You know, but
that I mean again, I don't want to hit on
this too much, but again it just sort of brings
in this melding of entertainment and media and.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
News and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And it's just like, I mean, for Pete's sake again,
like Obama with a Netflix contract. I mean, it's just awful.
It's just awful. What what again? On one hand, we
have the media that's become part of this intelligence operation.
The other hand, the entertainment media, I mean just pathetic
and sick on funny and dumb. So who's so dumb
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that they give a Netflix contract to Barack Obama? Again,
one of the squareest guys that America's ever produced, and
you think that guy is going to put out good movies.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
There's a lot of power in that kind of stuff though.
There's a lot of power to manipulate minds and change people.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's a power because the people who are watching that
and the people who like it are dumb and square.
That's why, right, same with Stephen Colbert. I mean, look,
at some point, we're at some point we're gonna have
a little better sense of how much money all these
things made. And we look at the Stephen Colbert numbers
and guess what, as it turns out, he didn't make
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money at all. Right, He's not just on funny big loser,
right right.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So, and that's where we get to.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People don't have civics lessons, they don't have economics lessons,
they don't understand capitalism. There are some things that trump politics,
and that's if a network can't make money, they're gonna
get rid of someone.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Look, I mean another thing is that Donald Trump is
funnier than Colbert and John Stewart and all of these guys.
I mean, you know, Donald Trump, of course, he belongs
to a different age, you know. I mean we're talking
more like the more like the Dean Martin roast or
something like that. Now that was funny television, you know,
not Colbert and John Stewart. Anyway, Look, I mean, yess,
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Barack Obama is a lot of money. If the Americans
who were wronged by this operation that Obama clearly led,
if they can get some money from Barack Obama, that
would be fantastic. But again, I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I just don't know. I don't know how that would happen.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I sure hope it does, though, No, I think that's
I think that should be. When you hit people in
the pocketbook, then they start paying attention to stop doing
what they're doing, and they're less likely to do that.
I mean even the bidens. Like you see, he's getting
a ten million dollar advance ants on his book, and
you know what that means his estate when he's gone
in a few years, we'll have a lot of money
in it. Before I let you go, you have a
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new book, it's called Disappearing the President.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Where can people get it?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Well, the Encounter Books. I believe that right now they
have a twenty five percent discount sale, so I can't
I'm afraid that I can't remember exactly what the code is,
but if you go to.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Encounter books dot com you can find it there.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm also posting it on my Twitter feed Lee at
Lee Smith DC and then my truth social feed at
Lee Smith. But of course you can also find all
of my books at place like Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
and I even know that some Barnes and Noble, some
brick and mortar Barnes and Noble stores are selling Disappearing
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the President.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Good.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, this is the time to make sure you know
the whole story so that you can be intelligent as
you're listening to all these people on these crazy networks
try to manipulate you.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, thank you so much, Le Smith, thank you so
much for being here today.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Thank you so much for bringing me on to it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I really appreciate it absolutely, and thank you all for
joining the podcast. Make sure you go to iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can watch
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blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure you have
all seen what's going on with Russia, Russia Russia investigation,
and now Donald Trump has come out and said that
essentially he's accusing Obama of treason. So we figured we
would go to the man with all of the history,
all of the research, and that is Lee Smith. He
is a longtime journalist and New York Times best selling
(00:22):
author with over thirty years of experience working in the
media business.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So, mister Smith, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Thank you so much Tudor for inviting me on today.
It's a pleasure to be with you and your great audience.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Absolutely So, you've been following the Russia hoax for a
very long time. You've written numerous books. The Plot against
the President is one of them. So what is your
take on what's happening today.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Well, I think it's terrific.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's very exciting because the documents that are coming out
are shedding more light on the different things that we've
been talking about for some time now. But again, finding
the documents be able to put being able to really
focus people's attention on stuff that's that's come out from
the government of the United States, because it's one thing
for a reporter to I mean, I've written three books
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on this now, but you know, it's one thing for
a reporter to write about, and it's another thing for
people to see, you know, the Director of National Intelligence
saying yes, this is exactly what happened. And you know,
I try to encourage people to be optimistic. I know
that there's some skepticism that anything will really happen because
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we've been waiting for justice for quite some time. But
I'm certainly optimistic, guarded, but optimistic.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Nonetheless, Well, I think that's what a lot of certainly
Republicans want. We feel like what happened to him was out.
I feel like he lost the majority of his first
term because of this. Yes, and we were told the
whole time we were silly for thinking that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, no, I mean, you know, the Mollelor investigation took
nearly two years of his term. The Republicans lost lost
the midterms, the twenty eighteen midterms in part because of
the Russia investigation, because of all the noise about Russia.
I believe there's been polling on that to show that
is the case. So yes, of course, so it's certainly
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justice for the president as well as well as the
president's family if you look at the different things they.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Were put through.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it's also justice for the different Trump aids from
Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Michael Kaputo, a whole bunch of
different people, but also certainly for the people that voted
for the president in that first term, when they voted
for his policies, to see his policies implemented. In the
entire play, the purpose of Russia Gate was to obstruct
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President Trump from implementing his agenda. So we're talking about
justice here, not just for the president, not just his administration,
but for the American public as a whole. People who
didn't vote for Donald Trump should certainly want our constitution,
republic to work in such a way so that when
people vote for something, they actually get a chance to
(03:10):
see that happen, not that it's obstructed and blocked by
intelligence services and law enforcement authorities. So yes, again, this
is why we want justice, and again there's reason to
be optimistic that we will get justice at last.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So the narrative started before the election, and I think
that the Democrats have always felt that they controlled the media.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean, even when you look back at.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
The visuals right, well, exactly, and I think that by
doing that, they've believed that by controlling the media, they
controlled the American people's minds, and historically I think that
was correct. But I think twenty sixteen was that moment
where they went oh my. I mean you could see
it in their faces on election night. You could see
them going, how did this happen? We told them to
(03:57):
vote for Hillary and they started this narrative before the
election obviously that Donald Trump was the Russian agent and
it didn't work out for them. How panicked did they
become when they went, oh my gosh, he's actually going
to be present and he's actually going to have access.
How much did they ramp it up at that point?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, I mean, you know what happened. I think it's
important to break Russia Gate down to two different parts.
The first part is the pre election part, whereas you say,
this is the Hillary Clinton campaign funneling the Russia garbage
into the media, and we see different eruptions of this
and every possible liberal publication that still exists.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
But they did.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Something very bad pre election, and that was that the
FBI this, you know, use this nonsense as the predicate
for a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. That
was a very very bad thing that was unlawful. After
the election, it turns into something else. That's when and
this is what Donald Trump is referring to, what others
(04:59):
are referring to. And this is what these documents are about.
They're about the post election aspect of Russia Gate, when
Barack Obama took control. And that's what these documents that
dn I Telsea Gabbard showed and has been talking about.
That's what this represents, the post election aspect of Russia Gate.
(05:19):
And obvious it's very much the case that Barack Obama
did take control. That Barack Obama went to his intelligence
community leaders, John Brennan in particular, and said, here's what
I want. I want Trump smeared as a Russian agent,
and I want this done and I want it on
my desk before I leave office January twentieth. And that's
(05:41):
precisely what happened. Again, these were different things that we
knew and understood. I mean, it's starting right at the beginning.
We knew that Barack Obama was doing this. Everything that
he was doing after the election regarding Trump was a
purpose to delegitimized on Trump's presidency.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But now again, these documents shed more light on this,
So it's not just it's not just journalist Lee Smith
talking about this. There are actual, you know again, official
government records showing what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is treason too strong of a word?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, you know, you know, I'm not a lawyer,
and frankly, I mean I think that's uh. I really
can't say. I think that we.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Throw around the word like trees in an awful lot.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I mean, I don't know there were laws broke in
here that I do know, and I can point to
different places where we can see evidence of that. I'm
not sure. And again I'm not a lawyer, So I'm
saying I'm not sure that if in the documents that
D and I declassified, if there's evidence of criminal activity
with what Barack Obama did, what there is evidence of,
(06:53):
and this is very important, is that Barack Obama took
control of Russia Gate that we know. Was that in
itself eagle.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Or yeah? Was that in itself criminal? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
There are different things though, that CIA director John Brennan
did that I can point to that are definitely look
to be look to be illegal. And remember what's going
on here. While this is happening, while some of these
documents are being declassified and being released, we're seeing very
solid reporting by John Solomon among others, saying that the
(07:30):
FBI and DOJ have opened up a very large criminal
conspiracy case regarding the weaponization of the federal government. And
this conspiracy goes from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four.
So that's one reason again why people should be optimistic.
And so far as we've been concerned about statute of
(07:51):
limitations going from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, that's
a long period of time and it means that we're
safely that the statute of limitations have not expired. So
obviously do OJ as finding criminal activity there. Remember the
news SAI director John Ratcliffe referred John Brennan to a
(08:12):
criminal investor for a criminal investigation to FBI Director Cash Bettel.
So again, there are there there, there's plenty of evidence
of crimes, whether what whether what the forty fourth American
president did, whether there's evidence of that or not, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You say that you have evidence against John Brennan, but
there is, there's got to be someone.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean what it's clear what happened. I mean,
you know these reports about the Intelligence Community Assessment, which
is what Obama ordered Rennant to finish. I mean, this
is one of the things. This is one of the
things that these documents are about. And also I should
add that this in twenty nineteen, Devin Nunez, when he
(08:57):
was Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, he made eat
criminal referrals to the Department of Justice. His lead investigator
at the time was Cash Battel, who's now the director
of the FBI. One of these referrals was about tampering
with intelligence, right, and that appears to refer to the
Intelligence Community Assessment, what Barack Obama ordered John Brennan to
(09:21):
have done by the time he left office. So if
then Chairman Nunez and his lead investigator, Cash Pateel found
criminal activity there, then that's certainly something they'll be looking
at now. And again, remember what Cash Hotel is doing
now he's the FBI director, so I imagine that's one
of the things they'll be looking at closely.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So he has all the information, he's been working on
this for years.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
This is not something he needs to catch up on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think that's something important for the American people to understand.
He's walking in with a wealth of knowledge on this already,
and I think that when you hear in the mainstream media,
they're like, Oh, this is a distraction, this is crazy,
this is insane. But they really did fight to make
sure that they were going to win the twenty twenty
four election. I mean, when you look at all of
(10:09):
the law fair and everything they did to Trump, they
wanted to make sure Trump was not getting back into office.
I think they wanted to make sure any Republican, but
specifically Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean, we have to look at everything that happened
starting in twenty twenty three regarding Donald Trump in twenty
twenty three, let's start with twenty twenty. Let's start with
twenty twenty, the twenty twenty election, and you know, we'll
leave aside right now the question of the probity of
that election, but certainly everything that happened, I mean, you know,
Trump was banned from social media, they raided his home
(10:40):
at mar A Lago, an enormous campaign of law fair
designed to impoverish and imprison him. And he got through
all of these things and he survived. He survived getting
shot in the head. Right, So, no, no one. The
Democrats certainly did not expect that Donald Trump was going
to be president again in twenty twenty four. And you know,
(11:04):
remember they've done there, They've done their very best to
block to block not just not just that anyone would
be held accountable for this, but that anyone would ever
know anything about this. I'd look at all the people
that they attacked during Trump's first term, look at the
different look at the different hurdles they set up for
President Trump. So we're looking at something very different now
(11:25):
in twenty twenty four. President Trump has the right people
in place. While we're demanding accountability, there are the right
people in place to see that that happened. So no,
they didn't expect that they would ever have to pay
a price for this, and now it appears that that
may happen.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But when you look back at it like that, I mean,
that is severe desperation. All of the things, you know,
sometimes you forget, but when you lay it all out,
the rate of mar A Lago, the attack against the president,
the multiple assassination attempts, the lawfare, all of it is
pretty disgusting. There has to be some level that Obama
knew that he was going to be in big trouble
(12:03):
if this was found out. And I do think that
there's a challenge in ever going after a president, and
there's also a moral question about going after a past
president because then when does it end? And I think
that's my concern, that's a lot of people's concern that
if you do that, you never get away from doing that.
But I just want to go back to when President
Trump was going through this, A lot of people around
(12:25):
him were accused of crimes, sent to prison, had to
pay their life savings to try to get out of this.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
With court cases.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
If you look back and you say this was all manufactured,
don't some of those people have to go to jail?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I yes, absolutely, I mean, and those are the people
that I think that are. You know, you're talking about
the deaferent intelligence officials like Brennan and Comin that some
of the top FBI people were involved. Yes, certainly, right,
I mean, so you know, I mean, Barack Obama is
the former in the United States. I tend to find
(13:02):
it unlikely though, again I've been writing for many years
about how Barack Obama clearly or obviously was the head
of this operation, as well as many others. I mean,
we have to remember Barack Obama is popping his head
up all the time with everything. He popped his head
up with COVID. Right, He's encouraging US mayors to keep
their cities closed, the purpose of which was to destroy
(13:24):
Trump's economy. Then he's out there shilling for all of
the different new election processes which were designed to facilitate
voter fraud, which is what we saw in twenty twenty.
So Barack Obama is all over this from twenty sixteen
at least through twenty twenty again. But the idea that
Barack Obama is going to be charged I don't know,
(13:47):
but certainly yes, up and down the line, the tops
FBI officials, because it's mostly the FBI and DOJ, the
top officials there, they absolutely have to be held accountable.
And that the people you're hearring few people like Michael Flynn,
like Roger Stone, Michael Capudo. I hope all of these
people bring enormous civil suits against the Department of Justice,
(14:10):
against the FBI, and against the individuals responsible for this.
I think that this is, oh, it's part of our
legal system. These people were wrong, some of them were bankrupted,
some of them were deeply hurt. I mean what they
did to Roger Stone, I mean they said the swat
team at his house.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean when you bring these things up, you forget
about them. His wife is an older woman and there
she is with a swat team around her bed.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah. I mean, you know, very sick people who did this.
And of course we have to keep in mind, we
have to remember the media that was a part of this.
In that particular case, it was CNN. So these every
second disgusting people and they need to be held accountable.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And we say that the media, they were there. I
mean I want to point that out. You're talking about CNN.
They were somehow outside. So this was clearly coordinated.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, this is something that I think is very important
to understand, and a lot of conservatives, Republicans, even Trump supporters,
I don't think they they really dealt with a full
scope of what the media is at this point. You know,
there are a lot of people and there still are
and you can turn on different you know, conservative networks
to read different conservative writers and talk about the bias media,
(15:18):
the liberal media, the left media, it's like, okay, I
mean you're talking about you know, that's that's what we
saw in the seventies and eighties and the sixties or whatever.
We're seeing something very different now. What happened during Russia
Gate was the media collacse. The media was part of
an intelligence operation targeting the president of the United States.
It's not that they're bias, right, they were part of
(15:39):
an intelligence operation.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So let's let's.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Let's call it for exactly what what what happened, right,
And that's why CNN was on the spot.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It wasn't a tip that that's some savvy reporter that
some savvy reporter won somehow. Right. They were part of
the operation. And that's what we saw all throughout Russia Gates.
So while we're talking about whole political figures like the
like Barack Obama, UH and intelligence officials like John Brennan accountable,
(16:08):
the media must also the people who are playing the
role of the media must also be held accountable.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I don't at that starts at the very least with
recognizing who they are. Right, this is not the media
that we may remember from our from our earlier years.
They were the platform for an intelligence operation.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. The American people have historically trusted
the media, but we've recently seen I mean even this,
even watching Stephen Colbert get canceled and have these indignant
reporters come out and say, how can this be? Is
(16:52):
there a political reason behind this? Because it's almost like
they have been a part of this club and they're like,
somebody doesn't get kicked out of the club, and we
are seeing it totally differently than what it potentially actually
is with the intelligence agency working with them.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
How anyone could defend Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, two
of the unfunniest people, I mean two of the squarest people.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Can you imagine how square you have to be to
watch Stephen Colbert? I mean, give me a break, I mean,
play a game of Solitaire that you know, play a
game of Solitaire that's hipper than watching Stephen Colbert. Oh
I watched Stephen Colbert. Wow, what a cool daddy O
you must be. That's really funny, Stephen Colbert. Oh, John Stewart,
you know what a bunch of just it's just disgusting.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
So for me.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That doesn't even have anything to do with media or
you know, or or or the intelligence operations they've been running.
And say, where do you get off watching Stephen Colbert?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Please? That is how?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That is the American public that you're fighting against the
people who are desperately seeking.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I don't think that's the American public. I think that's
a bunch of square balls in New York and LA
and elsewhere who think that's somehow that that that that
marks the zenith of American culture and comedy. I mean,
for Pete's sake, you.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Know, yes, yes, I agree. So I will just end
on this. I want to ask you one more thing.
You talked about civil suits. We've said Barack Obama is
potentially protected as a past president from any criminal liability.
I think that's going to be hard to pin on
him because I do think that he'll come up with
executive privilege and all of that. But he has become
(18:26):
extraordinarily wealthy since he was president. You talked about many
people in the Trump administration that it costs them a
lot of money. Is there a potential civil suit or
multiple civil suits against the Obamas.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I don't know that. That's very interesting. You know, but
that I mean again, I don't want to hit on
this too much, but again it just sort of brings
in this melding of entertainment and media and.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
News and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And it's just like, I mean, for Pete's sake again,
like Obama with a Netflix contract. I mean, it's just awful.
It's just awful. What what again? On one hand, we
have the media that's become part of this intelligence operation.
The other hand, the entertainment media, I mean just pathetic
and sick on funny and dumb. So who's so dumb
(19:11):
that they give a Netflix contract to Barack Obama? Again,
one of the squareest guys that America's ever produced, and
you think that guy is going to put out good movies.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
There's a lot of power in that kind of stuff though.
There's a lot of power to manipulate minds and change people.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's a power because the people who are watching that
and the people who like it are dumb and square.
That's why, right, same with Stephen Colbert. I mean, look,
at some point, we're at some point we're gonna have
a little better sense of how much money all these
things made. And we look at the Stephen Colbert numbers
and guess what, as it turns out, he didn't make
(19:48):
money at all. Right, He's not just on funny big loser,
right right.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So, and that's where we get to.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People don't have civics lessons, they don't have economics lessons,
they don't understand capitalism. There are some things that trump politics,
and that's if a network can't make money, they're gonna
get rid of someone.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Look, I mean another thing is that Donald Trump is
funnier than Colbert and John Stewart and all of these guys.
I mean, you know, Donald Trump, of course, he belongs
to a different age, you know. I mean we're talking
more like the more like the Dean Martin roast or
something like that. Now that was funny television, you know,
not Colbert and John Stewart. Anyway, Look, I mean, yess,
(20:29):
Barack Obama is a lot of money. If the Americans
who were wronged by this operation that Obama clearly led,
if they can get some money from Barack Obama, that
would be fantastic. But again, I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I just don't know. I don't know how that would happen.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I sure hope it does, though, No, I think that's
I think that should be. When you hit people in
the pocketbook, then they start paying attention to stop doing
what they're doing, and they're less likely to do that.
I mean even the bidens. Like you see, he's getting
a ten million dollar advance ants on his book, and
you know what that means his estate when he's gone
in a few years, we'll have a lot of money
in it. Before I let you go, you have a
(21:07):
new book, it's called Disappearing the President.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Where can people get it?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Well, the Encounter Books. I believe that right now they
have a twenty five percent discount sale, so I can't
I'm afraid that I can't remember exactly what the code is,
but if you go to.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Encounter books dot com you can find it there.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm also posting it on my Twitter feed Lee at
Lee Smith DC and then my truth social feed at
Lee Smith. But of course you can also find all
of my books at place like Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
and I even know that some Barnes and Noble, some
brick and mortar Barnes and Noble stores are selling Disappearing
(21:47):
the President.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Good.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, this is the time to make sure you know
the whole story so that you can be intelligent as
you're listening to all these people on these crazy networks
try to manipulate you.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, thank you so much, Le Smith, thank you so
much for being here today.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Thank you so much for bringing me on to it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I really appreciate it absolutely, and thank you all for
joining the podcast. Make sure you go to iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can watch
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