November 17, 2024 • 34 mins
A special limited edition podcast (in two parts) to help you navigate the holidays with lib relatives. Fellow C&B podcast hosts Tudor Dixon, Karol Markowicz and Mary Katharine Ham also weigh in with some sage advice. Part Two coming next weekend!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Turkey Talk, a special edition from Clay and
Buck Conversation Comebacks for the Holidays.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Thanksgivings not very far away. Buck, you and I are
excited about this. We're going to be in Florida. We'll
have a bunch of family and friends. I am confident
that at my Thanksgiving there will be people who voted
for Kamala. Believe it or not, family big gathering. They
are going to be Kamala voters. That's fine. I'm gonna
enjoy watching football, drinking beer, and knowing that the good
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team won. I'm not gonna need to feel necessarily the
need to gloat. And I would never even remotely think
about the idea of saying, Hey, you aren't allowed to
come to my family Thanksgiving because I disagree with your
personal politics. I think that's crazy. I would suggest that
the vast majority of you agree the same way. I
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actually give credit to Jade Vance here on election Day,
you remember Buck, he said, Look, you may vote differently,
but the idea of giving up a lifetime friend over
the fact that you might have a different political opinion
in This election, to me is crazy, and I would
stand by that. I just had a twenty year law
school anniversary. A lot of people voted the opposite way
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of me. At that law school anniversary reunion. I had
an awesome time. Still, but that's not the way the
left is responding. They are absolutist and they are now
going on This was a woman going on MSNBC. Buck
who is a psychiatrist. She went on Joyreid's show. I
would submit that she actually should be giving as much
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help to Joyreid as she could, because I think that
chick is crazy and actually not mentally well and regularly
says insane things. So if anybody needs a psychiatrist on
daily television, I would submit it to read.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But no, this MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Psychiatrist said, you guys, it's okay to not make the
decision to go out there and attend Thanksgiving. You can
let people know how you feel.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
There is a push, I think, just a societal norm
that if somebody is your family, that they are entitled
to your time. And I think the answer is absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
So.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
If you are.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Going to a situation where you have family members, where
you have close friends, who you know have voted in
ways that are against you, like what you said, against
your livelihood, and it's completely fine to not be around
those people and to tell them why, you know, to say,
I have a problem with the way that you voted
because it went against my very livelihood, and I'm not
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going to be around you this holiday. I need to
take some space for me.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
How crazy is this that this is what MSNBC is
saying to their audience that basically you should And there
are lots of left wingers out there. I've only seen
left wingers so far doing this because I think they
are the ones that are psychologically broken. They're the ones
that have been saying for a decade now, if you
vote Trump, you're not welcome at my Thanksgiving. How crazy
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is this that this is a psychiatrist going on and
talking to I think, unfortunately a lot of psychologically broken
people and telling them it's completely normal to make your
political opinions dictate what you do over the holidays.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
If you can't stomach being around half the country in
a social setting, and particularly if it's a family member
you've got mental health problems. Yes, it's just straight up,
there's no way there's no way to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 8 (03:44):
There's no way around this.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
If you can't be around a family member who voted
differently than you, and we know this tends to be
a one way street. If you're a lib who can't
be around somebody who voted for Trump, you have a problem.
There's something wrong with you. I grew up in New
York City, lived in New York City most of my life.
I was outnumbered by Democrats everywhere constantly. And you know,
you figure it out. You're polite to people, you go
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through your day to day. You just try to conduct
yourself with all of the you know, the best ideals
in mind, and you don't act like a lunatic and
they're acting like maniacs. And going into Thanksgiving, I think
is going to be particularly tough in some families where people,
you know, the media realizes, by and large, we we've
talked about this that the whole Trump is Hitler thing
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was just a it was a con, it was a lie,
it was a slander, It was just to get people
emotional upset. Voter turnout, there are people out there, lots
of them, who actually believe that still, and they are
emotionally damaged by this and if you question whether they
actually believe it or not, you know who's having lunch
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in the White House tomorrow at eleven am, Trump with Biden.
I just think if you were an honest purveyor of
the media landscape to go so from Trump is Hitler,
He's fascist, all of his supporters are garbage to Trump
wins the popular vote and just pivot on its heel
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and Biden now is going to have Trump in for lunch.
Like we were joking about yesterday, you wouldn't have Hitler
over for lunch. This argument they made was such a lie.
I will say this, buck. Did you see the video
of doctor Jill Biden with Kamala at Veterans Day? I
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just what the stories that are still to come from
out of this White House. I think Jill hates Kamala.
I think she legitimately hates her wearing that red outfit
on election Day?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And I wonder what the conversation is actually going to
be like between Biden and Trump, because I think Biden
may actually interestingly enough like Trump now more than he
likes Kamala. And right, I mean think about you know,
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I don't know what the conversation will actually be. But
if I were guessing, I bet Trump walks in and
one of the first things he says is, look, they
screwed you.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Uh, you would have been a.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Much tougher opponent than Kamala. They didn't treat you fairly,
like I think I would have very Trump. I think
I would have beaten you too, but it would have
been a lot harder. You were treated really unfairly. And
I think Biden's going to be like, yeah, I agree
with all of that.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
You know, Clay. Somebody who wrongs you is upsetting.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Somebody who betrays you is a whole level beyond right.
And this is why I think I've said before in
the show, in the Final Circle of Hell and Dante's Inferno,
it's those who betray.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
You know, the liz Chans of the world, I'm sorry,
the world.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Yes, yes, it's people who have been entrusted by others
with either power or with or with love or with uh,
you know, bonds of brother brotherhood.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And betray that.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
That that is really the worst.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
And I got to tell you, I think I think
Joe Biden feels betrayed by Kamala Harris. I think that
if I were Jill Biden, and I'm not I'm not
a doctor, but I would feel particularly outraged that my
husband was shoved aside to make room for somebody who
was completely inept. I mean, now, it's it's not like
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we were saying that they say stuff about Trump Clay
that they know is untrue to try to help get
more votes.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
What we said about.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Kamala was true then, it is true now it is
just the truth. She was a horrible candidate.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Janet in Pennsylvania, what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (07:50):
Hi, good, Good afternoon from Pennsylvania. I just wanted to
comment on the psychiatrist that was on MSNBC telling Joy
Ree to ignore her family and tell us abody in
her family that she didn't agree with. Yeah, so don't
show up for Thanksgiving. You know, I just when you
were playing that, I had the saddest thought, and it
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was that in two thousand and one, in the year,
in two and a half months after the September eleventh attacks,
during like the month, the entire month of November, all
anybody could talk about was how they couldn't wait to
get home and be with their family, and they wanted
to see their family more than anything else. In the
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whole world, and it's just been it's only been twenty
three years, and just look what the left is done
to this country.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Thank you for the call. Awful and thank you for
saving America.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
In Pennsylvania, by the way, uniquely with both a Senate
seat and a president vote.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Buck. I'll just point this out.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
My father in law died in May and I was
in that hospital room. It's an awful experience. It's great
to be able to say to people. But if you
were or if a member of your family were to
die this fall or this winter, do you think your
primary thought would be, how did my family vote in
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the presidential election?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Even if it just happened. No one is actually thinking that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
No one on their deathbed is thinking, hey, in nineteen
eighty four, how did my family members vote?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No one actually is thinking that.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
One of the primary signifiers, one of the primary red
flags of a cult is the demand of isolation from
loved ones, family members, friends. When you are isolated, you
are decontextualized. You lose a sense of balance, a sense
of where you are on things, and any political ideology.
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In this country, any political party or political candidate who
would support you not talking to your family or be
around your family even at Thanksgiving, is by definition a
toxic by definition, something that should be rejected out of hands.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think that's well said, But I would just point out,
if you've ever been in those hospital rooms in the
final moments of someone's life, you're not talking about how
you voted in the two thousand and four presidential election.
Don't destroy family relationships over election. Many different ways to
reach the show. You can call in eight hundred and
two two two AA two, but also we have talkback.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Let me hit a couple of these.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Paul in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I believe that's where Trump
finished his final rally if I remember correctly, late late
on Monday night into Tuesday morning, Grand Rapids, Michigan, the
red state of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Paul, what you got for us? So let's listen to this.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Hey, Clarion Buck, I just want to let you know
that my family is all pretty much Democrat, and if
they were that bad towards me, I would probably just say, well,
that's I guess your choice. If you can't handle me
being who I am, I guess you don't love me anymore,
And it would be very sad to find that out,
but there'd be no skin off my nose because I,
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unfortunately do not plug up with the craziness anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, look, Buck, I just I want to reiterate this.
Thanksgiving is the week after next right, We're about sixteen
days away from Thanksgiving if I'm doing my math right.
The idea that any of you would end lifelong relationships
over the election is so crazy to me that I
would just submit to you that while you might disagree politically,
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don't give up your lifelong relationships, don't give up your
lifelong friendships. And I know many of you are not
making that choice, but I just non partisan basis. I mean,
I was upset when Joe Biden won. The idea that
I wouldn't go to Thanksgiving because somebody voted for Joe
Biden is crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
If you are out there and you would like to
confess to us that you lied to family and actually
voted for Trump. Could be husband, could be wife, could
be mom, dad, whoever it is, brother, sister, we are
offering you today Confessions eight hundred and two eight two
two eight eight two. Now let me say this, Buck,
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I do not want people to call in and say
I didn't lie. When I am asking for one particular
type of caller, I don't need to hear from you
that you did the opposite of which I am asking
for callers. So I do not want people to call
in and say I told everybody. There's lots of you.
There's seventy some odd five million of you, me Buck,
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that all said hey, we're going to tell you exactly
how we're voting. I'm talking about people who want to
make the confession to just a few million of our
friends out there. You can use a pseudonym, you can
use a alias as you see necessary.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Several people out there want a way in.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I was saying, you can have absolution, you can confess
from people out there. Walker in Virginia, you lied to
your neighbors about who you voted for.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Why, Oh, it was painful. I live in the suburbs, Clay.
What else can you do? I mean walking around with
the little Harris time even Harris hats, which is a
little unusual because who really wants one of those? But
now I lied to my neighbors. It's my confession. But
I was honest with my family.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Walker given or given absolution, confession time, voting style. Harry
in New York you lied to your co workers. Why Harry, Harry,
he's in the office. Maybe he's scared they could hear him.
I don't know where Harry went. Darren in Ohio lied
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to one of your kids. Darren, Why I he is.
Speaker 11 (14:08):
Gay?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I mean, he hates Trump and he hates me for
being con service. Sorry, I'm emotional.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, so let me ask you this. Your son Trump
was the first president to ever take office supportive I
mean of gay marriage, supportive of gay rights. Whatever you
think of Trump, I think the idea of attacking him
for not being supportive enough of gay people is actually
totally without any factual basis whatsoever. I mean, a New
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York City Republican tends to be pretty lenient on that issue,
given the huge gay population. I'm sorry that that is
going on with your family, But you don't even feel
like you could tell him that you voted for Trump
because he believes that Trump doesn't like gay people.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, well, Darren, thank you for the call. I actually.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It really disappoints me when I hear those kind of
things from family.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Members.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Because Darren's son has bought in Buck to something that
is completely divorced from reality, and so the fact that
he would feel compelled to lie to his gay son
about who he've voted for. I think I saw the
math from some of the exit polling, around a third
of gay people voted for Trump. In fact, I've met
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I bet you have two buck a ton of gay
people that absolutely love Trump. All all my Florida based
gay friends, and I have a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
All of them, without exception, voted for Trump.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Now maybe that's just because they're friends with me, but
I'm just saying a lot of gays for Trump down
here in South Florida, which you love to see it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay.
Speaker 11 (15:55):
And buck Hey producer Ellie here. I'm crashing this podcast
right now because I have a confession. I've not only
lied to family members about who I voted for. I've
lied to friends and neighbors too. But first with the family,
I'm not talking about my immediate family like my parents,
but rather my extended family. I should also say I
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didn't straight up lie, because I certainly didn't tell them.
I went Harris no I'd just let people have the mic.
In other words, they were so passionate during this election
cycle that it was easy to let them rant without divulging.
Where I came down, I did a lot of head nodding,
active listening, and then changing the subject. I got married
a year and a half ago, and my husband's family
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are not exactly Trump fans. I'd even diagnose some of
them with TDS Trump Arrangement syndrome. But because I'm now
part of this family, I don't want political differences to
ruin what would otherwise be wonderful relationships. Sometimes it's easier
not to engage in certain conversations, so instead of focusing
on the things we don't have in common, I try
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to find an embrace the things we do did oh
friends and neighbors. I live in liberal New York City,
and most of my friend group voted Harris. I wouldn't
for a second think of giving any of them a
hard time for that. On the flip side, that's not
necessarily always been the case for me. I've been excoriated
for supporting Trump, but not just Trump. I got dragged
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for supporting Bush too. People forget, but it got nasty
during the two thousand and four election. TDS is next level,
but GOP hatred in general is no new phenomenon. This
has been bubbling for a while. The only difference between
now and a couple decades ago is social media, which
has put a spotlight on it. But when it came
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to lying to friends about who I voted for, which
wasn't so much a lie as it was a withholding
of the truth, I e. I didn't reveal my cards,
but I also didn't make up what was in my hand.
When they eventually found out and asked why I kept
that part of myself from them, I told them I
felt like I was in the closet. I didn't feel
comfort coming out because of the way they spoke about
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Republicans in front of me, saying they're all racists, sexists, homophobes, bigots,
you know, the Arrows and the latest fascists. If that's
how they view all Republicans, why would I feel safe?
And much like that talkback clip we played a moment ago,
I didn't think they would accept me for me if
they knew, so I hid my conservative identity. I stayed
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in the closet. Does that remind you of anything? It's
interesting how some things come full circle. I always tell
people that no one group is monolithic. We're all individuals first,
and don't be so quick to judge. Otherwise you're missing
out on real human connections. And this is why we're
doing the Turkey Talk podcast because I think a lot
of people are hiding and hurting as a result, and
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we don't want that on the Clay and Buck Show.
Media is influential and we want to be a good influence.
So that's my seventy five cents. Yes, I factored in
inflation there. And now back to Clay and Buck, who
are going to take apart some of the worst advice
I've heard on how to handle family members that voted
differently or gasp, have a different point of view.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Turkey Tom a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The left is not going to get more sane, they
are getting further insane. I think there's a large percentage
of the American public that is still persuadable. Two different
hosts on the View have now said you shouldn't do
Thanksgiving if your relatives voted for Trump. Here is Whoope Goldberg.
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I believe this is cut twenty four. And then we'll
also play for you, Sonny Hostin, I want you to
listen to both.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Somebody who tells me that my child is wrong because
of how he or she feels that tells me that
they shouldn't be allowed to be who they are with
my permission, I have to question it. I don't want
to put my kid in that positions. I don't want
to put my gay child in a position where she
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has to sit with someone who doesn't understand her and
feels like it's okay to just blurt all that out.
That's just me, But I feel like that with mixed
with mixed families. With mixed families, I feel the same way.
You know, there are certain things where you don't have
to put your family in the middle of it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I buck I don't even understand the figment in their
world that they have built.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
First of all, nobody.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I I don't think there are that many Trump supporters
that are really fired up about somebody who's an adult
being gay. I think, as a parent, the idea because
she hinted at this, but she didn't say it. The
idea that because you're eleven year old thinks that they
might be a boy or girl different than their actual gender.
You should treat it as the biological reality. Is crazy
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to me, and so a lot of these arguments that
they're making, they're not even making honestly. Because if you're
over eighteen and you decide you want to spend a
lot of money of your own money, if you have
it to change your gender, I think it's unlikely to
make you a lot happier personally. I think that it
is unlikely to do much to change your overall independent
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mental health. But if you're an adult, I'm not opposed
to you doing it. If you're a child, we're going
to give you puberty blockers and we're going to take
your breast and remove them. I mean, this is crazy stuff.
Sonny Hostin buck Let's also listen to this Sonny Hostin
basically saying the same thing. It's important for you to
understand what people on the left are saying and understand
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also that the vast majority of Americans disagree with them.
But here's Sonny Houston, who Bobby Barrackett out kit called
the most despicable woman on television on a daily basis.
I'm roughly quoting him. I think he's right. Here's what
she said.
Speaker 13 (21:52):
I completely understand her point, because I really do feel
that this candidate, you know, President Electrum is just a
different time of candidate from the things he's said and
the things he's done and the things he will do.
It's more of a moral issue for me, and I
think it's more of a moral issue for other people.
We're just you know, I would say it was different
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when let's say Bush got elected. You know, you may
not have agreed with his policies, but you didn't feel
like he was a deeply flawed person, deeply flawed by character,
deeply flawed in morality.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, I mean there is a huge opportunity here.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Democrats have not looked in the mirror buck and said, hey,
you know what, our opinions and our perspectives have been
overwhelmingly rejected by the American public. Maybe we need to
recalibrate and reconsider a lot of the things that we're
putting into the public arena. If anything, the left in
this country has become even crazier and almost no one
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is standing up to them. And I think they have
now opened up. He saw this in the early voting tallies.
As we've looked at the data, I think they've opened
up an opportunity, and you can flag this. I think
they've opened up an opportunity where Trump could make a
run at sixty percent approval plus in this country because
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I think there are a lot of people who may
not have voted for him that are going to start
to see his policies work, and they are going to
start to say, you know what we've been lied to.
If he can be smart and strategic in the way
that he implements his policy, I think they are opening
up an opportunity for him not just to have a majority,
but for him to have a substantial majority of people
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approving of him in this country.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Or do you think the way the left has responded
to his election has created this this opening for him.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Turkey Tonga a special edition from Clay and Buck producer Ali.
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Again, this is good stuff from Clayan Buck right, and
because it's so relatable, I wanted to ask our other
podcast hosts in the klam Buck pod network their thoughts too.
Let's start with our friends Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine
Ham of the Normally podcast.
Speaker 14 (24:07):
This is all shaping up to be a really happy Thanksgiving.
That's the country I think families are getting ready to
hopefully not be at each other's throats. But it certainly
seems like the media, particularly MSNBC and CNN, are setting
it up that perhaps they want to encourage people to
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argue with their Trump relatives.
Speaker 15 (24:30):
Joy reid second clip from her today had on a psychologist,
and she asked her if the psychologist recommends being around
those awful family members who voted differently than you did, how.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Do you interact with people who you know voted for
this right If you are an LGBTQ person and you
know someone in your family voted essentially against your rights,
or you're a woman knowing that this man was calling
people the B word. Jadie Vance was literally calling Kamala
Harris the trash and said, we're going to take out
the trash. I know a lot of black and we're
incredibly triggered by that. And if you then meet somebody
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and you know they voted for the people who called
you trash, or if you're Puerto Rican, you know and
you know someone voted that way, do you recommend, just
from a psychological standpoint, being around them. We got the
holidays coming up.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So I love that you asked this question, because you
know there is a push, I think, just a societal
norm that if somebody is your family, that they are
entitled to your time, and I think the answer is
absolutely not so. If you are going to a situation
where you have family members, where you have close friends
who you know have voted in ways that are against you,
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like what you said, against your livelihood, and it's completely
fine to not be around those people and to tell
them why, you know, to say I have a problem
with the way that you voted because it went against
my very livelihood and I'm not going to be around
you this holiday. I need to take some space for me.
And I actually talked to you know, as well as
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advising parents for children, I mean, I think you know,
I don't think that you should force children. I don't
think you should have forced adults to be around people
just because they're your family. I think there is a
level you know, need to establish boundaries, and if you
feel like you need to establish boundaries with people, whether
they're your family or not, I think you should very
much be entitled to do so, and I think it
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may be essential for your mental health.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 14 (26:28):
I am of the don't split apart from your family
or your close friends do over politics. On X this account,
this small account went viral for posting that people should
cut off their family members. And look, you know, a
small account on x saying something whatever. But that person
got all of these comments, including from people who said
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they were cutting off their children and never seeing their grandchildren.
Speaker 15 (26:53):
And it's just crushing. And I can't imagine what my
kids would need to believe. And I've made the joke
like maybe, you know.
Speaker 14 (27:00):
Even if they come home in a Stalin shirt, I'll
be like, he killed a lot of our family members.
Please don't wear that. But I would never be like,
and you're not welcome in my home. Belief is just that,
and you can't and you shouldn't be cutting off family
members for what they believe and who they voted for,
families everything, And you know, I really think that people
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need to hear that, they need to hear that family
is important and your politics are less important than that.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (27:27):
I think the people that folks should set healthy boundaries
with first are like Joy Reid, you know, because because
a lot of this truly and I know that some
people really are hurting. And I thought the same thing
during COVID. I thought there were people who were really
hurting who shouldn't have to be because a lot of
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things had been ginned up to make them very scared,
and that that was a systematic effort. And I didn't
like that. And I know that yelling people yelling at
people about their anxiety probably doesn't anxiety, but like, there
needs to be some evaluation of how much of this
angst is self inflicted, because if you're cutting off family members,
(28:12):
I would suggest that you wait for Trump to like
do something first, right, Yeah, that would if you. I
actually heard somebody who had who is very on the
never Trump side of the folks who left the Republican
Party over him, who said, like, yeah, I think one
of the better things that we could do as never
(28:34):
Trump people and that the media could do is actually
evaluate what he does balls and joke.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's bold. It's a bold.
Speaker 16 (28:41):
Strategy, and I think it's one that many people should undertake,
and it would keep them a little bit more between
the navigational beacons, because this is I get it. Look,
you want to set some healthy boundaries. Sure that if
you feel this way, the rest of your family is
going to have a great time with you anyway. But
like it's very sad. Like you say, I have plenty
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of friends of family who disagree with me, always have
and they know it. I talk about it publicly, and
you know, I just think it. It's very tragic to
end up.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeahs Place Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
That's Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham of the Normally
podcast in the Klay and Buck podcast Feed, one of
our newer pods, which I personally love listening to while
I'm making dinner. Tudor Dixon of The Tutor Dixon Show
wade in too. Let's hear from her next.
Speaker 17 (29:36):
They have to take care of the other people in
the country. I mean, these where that's not how America is.
It's we the people. They can speak for themselves, you know,
and they did, and I'm just so happy to see
that there was a unity. And that's the part that
really must be hard for them. There was a unity
and they've come out and they've said, oh, there's we
found that there's racist and there's misogynists in the country.
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People are like, oh, come on, give it up. I mean,
give it up. But it really begs the question, like, well,
here we come into the holiday season, and you come
to your you go to Thanksgiving, you're gonna have Christmas,
You're gonna come together as families. And the question is,
how are families gonna take this? So I sent you
guys this tweet last night from this dude who ran
for office, and he's like totally unhinged. I thought it
(30:20):
was a joke at first, so I had to read
through his stuff, but this is what he says. My
aunt called I this is I should take this more
seriously because I I'm laughing a little, but I shouldn't be,
because it's very mean. My aunt called last night about
Thanksgiving plans. During our conversation, she mentioned she voted for Trump.
I told her my home is not open to traders
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and I would not go to theirs. I have no
space in my life for those who could care less
about the United States. She's upset, and then it says,
f around and find out. I mean, come on, this
is how So this is how people are going to
treat you if you are an open Trump supporter. And
I have someone in my life, so I look at
(31:03):
this holiday season and I'm like, I have a person
in my life who's on the other side of the
aisle and we argue back and forth about it, and
I have not contacted this person because I feel like
I needed to give them some time. It's not like,
you know what, am I going to contact them and
be like would you think of the election results and
have them be really mad? But this Thanksgiving, honestly, I
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think it's time. I love the people who always are like,
I'm not going to talk about it, and then they
set out the Trump wine. You know, it's like, don't
do that. This is I think this is such a
great time of year because we can come together and
we can talk about how the country is healing. The
country is looking for someone to serve, not to someone
to dictate, someone to serve, and you have the opportunity
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to just have people that you love around the table.
I absolutely say, have everybody you love around the table.
Have everybody give them grace, give them praise, love on
the people in your life life right now. Those people
who are saying they can't sit there, show them that
you love them. This is the party that cares for people.
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The Right is the party that loves people, that cares
for people.
Speaker 16 (32:12):
It is our.
Speaker 17 (32:12):
Opportunity to bring those people into our lives. And say
we don't. We're not looking at politics. We are looking
at you. We love you, we want to see you successful.
That's what one out last week on election Day. It's
family bringing back American values. We heard from a guy
on the podcast who talks about the culture shift, and
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the interesting part about the culture shift is that these
younger generations are going toward traditional values. That whole traad
wife thing.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's not a joke.
Speaker 17 (32:42):
They really are looking to bring back traditional values and
that feeling of safety and security and a family. Accept that,
and if they don't, if somebody doesn't want that, accept that,
that's the beauty of our country. Have your loved ones over,
Tell them you love them, Tell them you don't care
if they're mad at you about this, love them anyway.
But I think it's gonna be hard for some families.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
That's Tutor Dixon of The Tutor Dixon Show, and she's
right on the money. Some of our other hosts also
weighed in, but we're gonna save that for the next
Turkey Talk, along with more Clay and Buck. In fact,
the next episode is going to contain a few conversation
comebacks on subjects like reparations and history revisionism. I read
a lot of your emails, and producer Greg and Mark
(33:30):
take a lot of your calls, and we often hear
a common lament if only Clay and Buck were at
the dinner table when I get into political talk with
my woke college kid or Uncle Clive with the man bun,
turkey talk will serve as debate prep for the holidays,
But don't let politics ruin the relationships. It's okay to
challenge each other and engage in healthy debate, but remember
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Turkey Talk, a special edition from Clay and
Buck Conversation Comebacks for the Holidays.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Thanksgivings not very far away. Buck, you and I are
excited about this. We're going to be in Florida. We'll
have a bunch of family and friends. I am confident
that at my Thanksgiving there will be people who voted
for Kamala. Believe it or not, family big gathering. They
are going to be Kamala voters. That's fine. I'm gonna
enjoy watching football, drinking beer, and knowing that the good
(00:42):
team won. I'm not gonna need to feel necessarily the
need to gloat. And I would never even remotely think
about the idea of saying, Hey, you aren't allowed to
come to my family Thanksgiving because I disagree with your
personal politics. I think that's crazy. I would suggest that
the vast majority of you agree the same way. I
(01:04):
actually give credit to Jade Vance here on election Day,
you remember Buck, he said, Look, you may vote differently,
but the idea of giving up a lifetime friend over
the fact that you might have a different political opinion
in This election, to me is crazy, and I would
stand by that. I just had a twenty year law
school anniversary. A lot of people voted the opposite way
(01:25):
of me. At that law school anniversary reunion. I had
an awesome time. Still, but that's not the way the
left is responding. They are absolutist and they are now
going on This was a woman going on MSNBC. Buck
who is a psychiatrist. She went on Joyreid's show. I
would submit that she actually should be giving as much
(01:46):
help to Joyreid as she could, because I think that
chick is crazy and actually not mentally well and regularly
says insane things. So if anybody needs a psychiatrist on
daily television, I would submit it to read.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But no, this MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Psychiatrist said, you guys, it's okay to not make the
decision to go out there and attend Thanksgiving. You can
let people know how you feel.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
There is a push, I think, just a societal norm
that if somebody is your family, that they are entitled
to your time. And I think the answer is absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
So.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
If you are.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Going to a situation where you have family members, where
you have close friends, who you know have voted in
ways that are against you, like what you said, against
your livelihood, and it's completely fine to not be around
those people and to tell them why, you know, to say,
I have a problem with the way that you voted
because it went against my very livelihood, and I'm not
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going to be around you this holiday. I need to
take some space for me.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
How crazy is this that this is what MSNBC is
saying to their audience that basically you should And there
are lots of left wingers out there. I've only seen
left wingers so far doing this because I think they
are the ones that are psychologically broken. They're the ones
that have been saying for a decade now, if you
vote Trump, you're not welcome at my Thanksgiving. How crazy
(03:19):
is this that this is a psychiatrist going on and
talking to I think, unfortunately a lot of psychologically broken
people and telling them it's completely normal to make your
political opinions dictate what you do over the holidays.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
If you can't stomach being around half the country in
a social setting, and particularly if it's a family member
you've got mental health problems. Yes, it's just straight up,
there's no way there's no way to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 8 (03:44):
There's no way around this.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
If you can't be around a family member who voted
differently than you, and we know this tends to be
a one way street. If you're a lib who can't
be around somebody who voted for Trump, you have a problem.
There's something wrong with you. I grew up in New
York City, lived in New York City most of my life.
I was outnumbered by Democrats everywhere constantly. And you know,
you figure it out. You're polite to people, you go
(04:07):
through your day to day. You just try to conduct
yourself with all of the you know, the best ideals
in mind, and you don't act like a lunatic and
they're acting like maniacs. And going into Thanksgiving, I think
is going to be particularly tough in some families where people,
you know, the media realizes, by and large, we we've
talked about this that the whole Trump is Hitler thing
(04:28):
was just a it was a con, it was a lie,
it was a slander, It was just to get people
emotional upset. Voter turnout, there are people out there, lots
of them, who actually believe that still, and they are
emotionally damaged by this and if you question whether they
actually believe it or not, you know who's having lunch
(04:48):
in the White House tomorrow at eleven am, Trump with Biden.
I just think if you were an honest purveyor of
the media landscape to go so from Trump is Hitler,
He's fascist, all of his supporters are garbage to Trump
wins the popular vote and just pivot on its heel
(05:09):
and Biden now is going to have Trump in for lunch.
Like we were joking about yesterday, you wouldn't have Hitler
over for lunch. This argument they made was such a lie.
I will say this, buck. Did you see the video
of doctor Jill Biden with Kamala at Veterans Day? I
(05:31):
just what the stories that are still to come from
out of this White House. I think Jill hates Kamala.
I think she legitimately hates her wearing that red outfit
on election Day?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And I wonder what the conversation is actually going to
be like between Biden and Trump, because I think Biden
may actually interestingly enough like Trump now more than he
likes Kamala. And right, I mean think about you know,
(06:06):
I don't know what the conversation will actually be. But
if I were guessing, I bet Trump walks in and
one of the first things he says is, look, they
screwed you.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Uh, you would have been a.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Much tougher opponent than Kamala. They didn't treat you fairly,
like I think I would have very Trump. I think
I would have beaten you too, but it would have
been a lot harder. You were treated really unfairly. And
I think Biden's going to be like, yeah, I agree
with all of that.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
You know, Clay. Somebody who wrongs you is upsetting.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Somebody who betrays you is a whole level beyond right.
And this is why I think I've said before in
the show, in the Final Circle of Hell and Dante's Inferno,
it's those who betray.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
You know, the liz Chans of the world, I'm sorry,
the world.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Yes, yes, it's people who have been entrusted by others
with either power or with or with love or with uh,
you know, bonds of brother brotherhood.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And betray that.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
That that is really the worst.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
And I got to tell you, I think I think
Joe Biden feels betrayed by Kamala Harris. I think that
if I were Jill Biden, and I'm not I'm not
a doctor, but I would feel particularly outraged that my
husband was shoved aside to make room for somebody who
was completely inept. I mean, now, it's it's not like
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we were saying that they say stuff about Trump Clay
that they know is untrue to try to help get
more votes.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
What we said about.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Kamala was true then, it is true now it is
just the truth. She was a horrible candidate.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Janet in Pennsylvania, what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (07:50):
Hi, good, Good afternoon from Pennsylvania. I just wanted to
comment on the psychiatrist that was on MSNBC telling Joy
Ree to ignore her family and tell us abody in
her family that she didn't agree with. Yeah, so don't
show up for Thanksgiving. You know, I just when you
were playing that, I had the saddest thought, and it
(08:12):
was that in two thousand and one, in the year,
in two and a half months after the September eleventh attacks,
during like the month, the entire month of November, all
anybody could talk about was how they couldn't wait to
get home and be with their family, and they wanted
to see their family more than anything else. In the
(08:33):
whole world, and it's just been it's only been twenty
three years, and just look what the left is done
to this country.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Thank you for the call. Awful and thank you for
saving America.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
In Pennsylvania, by the way, uniquely with both a Senate
seat and a president vote.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Buck. I'll just point this out.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
My father in law died in May and I was
in that hospital room. It's an awful experience. It's great
to be able to say to people. But if you
were or if a member of your family were to
die this fall or this winter, do you think your
primary thought would be, how did my family vote in
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the presidential election?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Even if it just happened. No one is actually thinking that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
No one on their deathbed is thinking, hey, in nineteen
eighty four, how did my family members vote?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No one actually is thinking that.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
One of the primary signifiers, one of the primary red
flags of a cult is the demand of isolation from
loved ones, family members, friends. When you are isolated, you
are decontextualized. You lose a sense of balance, a sense
of where you are on things, and any political ideology.
(09:52):
In this country, any political party or political candidate who
would support you not talking to your family or be
around your family even at Thanksgiving, is by definition a
toxic by definition, something that should be rejected out of hands.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think that's well said, But I would just point out,
if you've ever been in those hospital rooms in the
final moments of someone's life, you're not talking about how
you voted in the two thousand and four presidential election.
Don't destroy family relationships over election. Many different ways to
reach the show. You can call in eight hundred and
two two two AA two, but also we have talkback.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Let me hit a couple of these.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Paul in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I believe that's where Trump
finished his final rally if I remember correctly, late late
on Monday night into Tuesday morning, Grand Rapids, Michigan, the
red state of Michigan.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Paul, what you got for us? So let's listen to this.
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Hey, Clarion Buck, I just want to let you know
that my family is all pretty much Democrat, and if
they were that bad towards me, I would probably just say, well,
that's I guess your choice. If you can't handle me
being who I am, I guess you don't love me anymore,
And it would be very sad to find that out,
but there'd be no skin off my nose because I,
(11:15):
unfortunately do not plug up with the craziness anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, look, Buck, I just I want to reiterate this.
Thanksgiving is the week after next right, We're about sixteen
days away from Thanksgiving if I'm doing my math right.
The idea that any of you would end lifelong relationships
over the election is so crazy to me that I
would just submit to you that while you might disagree politically,
(11:42):
don't give up your lifelong relationships, don't give up your
lifelong friendships. And I know many of you are not
making that choice, but I just non partisan basis. I mean,
I was upset when Joe Biden won. The idea that
I wouldn't go to Thanksgiving because somebody voted for Joe
Biden is crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
If you are out there and you would like to
confess to us that you lied to family and actually
voted for Trump. Could be husband, could be wife, could
be mom, dad, whoever it is, brother, sister, we are
offering you today Confessions eight hundred and two eight two
two eight eight two. Now let me say this, Buck,
(12:25):
I do not want people to call in and say
I didn't lie. When I am asking for one particular
type of caller, I don't need to hear from you
that you did the opposite of which I am asking
for callers. So I do not want people to call
in and say I told everybody. There's lots of you.
There's seventy some odd five million of you, me Buck,
(12:48):
that all said hey, we're going to tell you exactly
how we're voting. I'm talking about people who want to
make the confession to just a few million of our
friends out there. You can use a pseudonym, you can
use a alias as you see necessary.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Several people out there want a way in.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I was saying, you can have absolution, you can confess
from people out there. Walker in Virginia, you lied to
your neighbors about who you voted for.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Why, Oh, it was painful. I live in the suburbs, Clay.
What else can you do? I mean walking around with
the little Harris time even Harris hats, which is a
little unusual because who really wants one of those? But
now I lied to my neighbors. It's my confession. But
I was honest with my family.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Walker given or given absolution, confession time, voting style. Harry
in New York you lied to your co workers. Why Harry, Harry,
he's in the office. Maybe he's scared they could hear him.
I don't know where Harry went. Darren in Ohio lied
(13:59):
to one of your kids. Darren, Why I he is.
Speaker 11 (14:08):
Gay?
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I mean, he hates Trump and he hates me for
being con service. Sorry, I'm emotional.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, so let me ask you this. Your son Trump
was the first president to ever take office supportive I
mean of gay marriage, supportive of gay rights. Whatever you
think of Trump, I think the idea of attacking him
for not being supportive enough of gay people is actually
totally without any factual basis whatsoever. I mean, a New
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York City Republican tends to be pretty lenient on that issue,
given the huge gay population. I'm sorry that that is
going on with your family, But you don't even feel
like you could tell him that you voted for Trump
because he believes that Trump doesn't like gay people.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, well, Darren, thank you for the call. I actually.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It really disappoints me when I hear those kind of
things from family.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Members.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Because Darren's son has bought in Buck to something that
is completely divorced from reality, and so the fact that
he would feel compelled to lie to his gay son
about who he've voted for. I think I saw the
math from some of the exit polling, around a third
of gay people voted for Trump. In fact, I've met
(15:31):
I bet you have two buck a ton of gay
people that absolutely love Trump. All all my Florida based
gay friends, and I have a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
All of them, without exception, voted for Trump.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Now maybe that's just because they're friends with me, but
I'm just saying a lot of gays for Trump down
here in South Florida, which you love to see it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay.
Speaker 11 (15:55):
And buck Hey producer Ellie here. I'm crashing this podcast
right now because I have a confession. I've not only
lied to family members about who I voted for. I've
lied to friends and neighbors too. But first with the family,
I'm not talking about my immediate family like my parents,
but rather my extended family. I should also say I
(16:17):
didn't straight up lie, because I certainly didn't tell them.
I went Harris no I'd just let people have the mic.
In other words, they were so passionate during this election
cycle that it was easy to let them rant without divulging.
Where I came down, I did a lot of head nodding,
active listening, and then changing the subject. I got married
a year and a half ago, and my husband's family
(16:38):
are not exactly Trump fans. I'd even diagnose some of
them with TDS Trump Arrangement syndrome. But because I'm now
part of this family, I don't want political differences to
ruin what would otherwise be wonderful relationships. Sometimes it's easier
not to engage in certain conversations, so instead of focusing
on the things we don't have in common, I try
(16:59):
to find an embrace the things we do did oh
friends and neighbors. I live in liberal New York City,
and most of my friend group voted Harris. I wouldn't
for a second think of giving any of them a
hard time for that. On the flip side, that's not
necessarily always been the case for me. I've been excoriated
for supporting Trump, but not just Trump. I got dragged
(17:20):
for supporting Bush too. People forget, but it got nasty
during the two thousand and four election. TDS is next level,
but GOP hatred in general is no new phenomenon. This
has been bubbling for a while. The only difference between
now and a couple decades ago is social media, which
has put a spotlight on it. But when it came
(17:40):
to lying to friends about who I voted for, which
wasn't so much a lie as it was a withholding
of the truth, I e. I didn't reveal my cards,
but I also didn't make up what was in my hand.
When they eventually found out and asked why I kept
that part of myself from them, I told them I
felt like I was in the closet. I didn't feel
comfort coming out because of the way they spoke about
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Republicans in front of me, saying they're all racists, sexists, homophobes, bigots,
you know, the Arrows and the latest fascists. If that's
how they view all Republicans, why would I feel safe?
And much like that talkback clip we played a moment ago,
I didn't think they would accept me for me if
they knew, so I hid my conservative identity. I stayed
(18:23):
in the closet. Does that remind you of anything? It's
interesting how some things come full circle. I always tell
people that no one group is monolithic. We're all individuals first,
and don't be so quick to judge. Otherwise you're missing
out on real human connections. And this is why we're
doing the Turkey Talk podcast because I think a lot
of people are hiding and hurting as a result, and
(18:46):
we don't want that on the Clay and Buck Show.
Media is influential and we want to be a good influence.
So that's my seventy five cents. Yes, I factored in
inflation there. And now back to Clay and Buck, who
are going to take apart some of the worst advice
I've heard on how to handle family members that voted
differently or gasp, have a different point of view.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Turkey Tom a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The left is not going to get more sane, they
are getting further insane. I think there's a large percentage
of the American public that is still persuadable. Two different
hosts on the View have now said you shouldn't do
Thanksgiving if your relatives voted for Trump. Here is Whoope Goldberg.
(19:35):
I believe this is cut twenty four. And then we'll
also play for you, Sonny Hostin, I want you to
listen to both.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Somebody who tells me that my child is wrong because
of how he or she feels that tells me that
they shouldn't be allowed to be who they are with
my permission, I have to question it. I don't want
to put my kid in that positions. I don't want
to put my gay child in a position where she
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has to sit with someone who doesn't understand her and
feels like it's okay to just blurt all that out.
That's just me, But I feel like that with mixed
with mixed families. With mixed families, I feel the same way.
You know, there are certain things where you don't have
to put your family in the middle of it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I buck I don't even understand the figment in their
world that they have built.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
First of all, nobody.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I I don't think there are that many Trump supporters
that are really fired up about somebody who's an adult
being gay. I think, as a parent, the idea because
she hinted at this, but she didn't say it. The
idea that because you're eleven year old thinks that they
might be a boy or girl different than their actual gender.
You should treat it as the biological reality. Is crazy
(20:55):
to me, and so a lot of these arguments that
they're making, they're not even making honestly. Because if you're
over eighteen and you decide you want to spend a
lot of money of your own money, if you have
it to change your gender, I think it's unlikely to
make you a lot happier personally. I think that it
is unlikely to do much to change your overall independent
(21:18):
mental health. But if you're an adult, I'm not opposed
to you doing it. If you're a child, we're going
to give you puberty blockers and we're going to take
your breast and remove them. I mean, this is crazy stuff.
Sonny Hostin buck Let's also listen to this Sonny Hostin
basically saying the same thing. It's important for you to
understand what people on the left are saying and understand
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also that the vast majority of Americans disagree with them.
But here's Sonny Houston, who Bobby Barrackett out kit called
the most despicable woman on television on a daily basis.
I'm roughly quoting him. I think he's right. Here's what
she said.
Speaker 13 (21:52):
I completely understand her point, because I really do feel
that this candidate, you know, President Electrum is just a
different time of candidate from the things he's said and
the things he's done and the things he will do.
It's more of a moral issue for me, and I
think it's more of a moral issue for other people.
We're just you know, I would say it was different
(22:13):
when let's say Bush got elected. You know, you may
not have agreed with his policies, but you didn't feel
like he was a deeply flawed person, deeply flawed by character,
deeply flawed in morality.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, I mean there is a huge opportunity here.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Democrats have not looked in the mirror buck and said, hey,
you know what, our opinions and our perspectives have been
overwhelmingly rejected by the American public. Maybe we need to
recalibrate and reconsider a lot of the things that we're
putting into the public arena. If anything, the left in
this country has become even crazier and almost no one
(22:55):
is standing up to them. And I think they have
now opened up. He saw this in the early voting tallies.
As we've looked at the data, I think they've opened
up an opportunity, and you can flag this. I think
they've opened up an opportunity where Trump could make a
run at sixty percent approval plus in this country because
(23:17):
I think there are a lot of people who may
not have voted for him that are going to start
to see his policies work, and they are going to
start to say, you know what we've been lied to.
If he can be smart and strategic in the way
that he implements his policy, I think they are opening
up an opportunity for him not just to have a majority,
but for him to have a substantial majority of people
(23:39):
approving of him in this country.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Or do you think the way the left has responded
to his election has created this this opening for him.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Turkey Tonga a special edition from Clay and Buck producer Ali.
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Again, this is good stuff from Clayan Buck right, and
because it's so relatable, I wanted to ask our other
podcast hosts in the klam Buck pod network their thoughts too.
Let's start with our friends Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine
Ham of the Normally podcast.
Speaker 14 (24:07):
This is all shaping up to be a really happy Thanksgiving.
That's the country I think families are getting ready to
hopefully not be at each other's throats. But it certainly
seems like the media, particularly MSNBC and CNN, are setting
it up that perhaps they want to encourage people to
(24:28):
argue with their Trump relatives.
Speaker 15 (24:30):
Joy reid second clip from her today had on a psychologist,
and she asked her if the psychologist recommends being around
those awful family members who voted differently than you did, how.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Do you interact with people who you know voted for
this right If you are an LGBTQ person and you
know someone in your family voted essentially against your rights,
or you're a woman knowing that this man was calling
people the B word. Jadie Vance was literally calling Kamala
Harris the trash and said, we're going to take out
the trash. I know a lot of black and we're
incredibly triggered by that. And if you then meet somebody
(25:03):
and you know they voted for the people who called
you trash, or if you're Puerto Rican, you know and
you know someone voted that way, do you recommend, just
from a psychological standpoint, being around them. We got the
holidays coming up.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So I love that you asked this question, because you
know there is a push, I think, just a societal
norm that if somebody is your family, that they are
entitled to your time, and I think the answer is
absolutely not so. If you are going to a situation
where you have family members, where you have close friends
who you know have voted in ways that are against you,
(25:39):
like what you said, against your livelihood, and it's completely
fine to not be around those people and to tell
them why, you know, to say I have a problem
with the way that you voted because it went against
my very livelihood and I'm not going to be around
you this holiday. I need to take some space for me.
And I actually talked to you know, as well as
(26:02):
advising parents for children, I mean, I think you know,
I don't think that you should force children. I don't
think you should have forced adults to be around people
just because they're your family. I think there is a
level you know, need to establish boundaries, and if you
feel like you need to establish boundaries with people, whether
they're your family or not, I think you should very
much be entitled to do so, and I think it
(26:23):
may be essential for your mental health.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 14 (26:28):
I am of the don't split apart from your family
or your close friends do over politics. On X this account,
this small account went viral for posting that people should
cut off their family members. And look, you know, a
small account on x saying something whatever. But that person
got all of these comments, including from people who said
(26:50):
they were cutting off their children and never seeing their grandchildren.
Speaker 15 (26:53):
And it's just crushing. And I can't imagine what my
kids would need to believe. And I've made the joke
like maybe, you know.
Speaker 14 (27:00):
Even if they come home in a Stalin shirt, I'll
be like, he killed a lot of our family members.
Please don't wear that. But I would never be like,
and you're not welcome in my home. Belief is just that,
and you can't and you shouldn't be cutting off family
members for what they believe and who they voted for,
families everything, And you know, I really think that people
(27:22):
need to hear that, they need to hear that family
is important and your politics are less important than that.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (27:27):
I think the people that folks should set healthy boundaries
with first are like Joy Reid, you know, because because
a lot of this truly and I know that some
people really are hurting. And I thought the same thing
during COVID. I thought there were people who were really
hurting who shouldn't have to be because a lot of
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things had been ginned up to make them very scared,
and that that was a systematic effort. And I didn't
like that. And I know that yelling people yelling at
people about their anxiety probably doesn't anxiety, but like, there
needs to be some evaluation of how much of this
angst is self inflicted, because if you're cutting off family members,
(28:12):
I would suggest that you wait for Trump to like
do something first, right, Yeah, that would if you. I
actually heard somebody who had who is very on the
never Trump side of the folks who left the Republican
Party over him, who said, like, yeah, I think one
of the better things that we could do as never
(28:34):
Trump people and that the media could do is actually
evaluate what he does balls and joke.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's bold. It's a bold.
Speaker 16 (28:41):
Strategy, and I think it's one that many people should undertake,
and it would keep them a little bit more between
the navigational beacons, because this is I get it. Look,
you want to set some healthy boundaries. Sure that if
you feel this way, the rest of your family is
going to have a great time with you anyway. But
like it's very sad. Like you say, I have plenty
(29:03):
of friends of family who disagree with me, always have
and they know it. I talk about it publicly, and
you know, I just think it. It's very tragic to
end up.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeahs Place Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
That's Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham of the Normally
podcast in the Klay and Buck podcast Feed, one of
our newer pods, which I personally love listening to while
I'm making dinner. Tudor Dixon of The Tutor Dixon Show
wade in too. Let's hear from her next.
Speaker 17 (29:36):
They have to take care of the other people in
the country. I mean, these where that's not how America is.
It's we the people. They can speak for themselves, you know,
and they did, and I'm just so happy to see
that there was a unity. And that's the part that
really must be hard for them. There was a unity
and they've come out and they've said, oh, there's we
found that there's racist and there's misogynists in the country.
(29:59):
People are like, oh, come on, give it up. I mean,
give it up. But it really begs the question, like, well,
here we come into the holiday season, and you come
to your you go to Thanksgiving, you're gonna have Christmas,
You're gonna come together as families. And the question is,
how are families gonna take this? So I sent you
guys this tweet last night from this dude who ran
for office, and he's like totally unhinged. I thought it
(30:20):
was a joke at first, so I had to read
through his stuff, but this is what he says. My
aunt called I this is I should take this more
seriously because I I'm laughing a little, but I shouldn't be,
because it's very mean. My aunt called last night about
Thanksgiving plans. During our conversation, she mentioned she voted for Trump.
I told her my home is not open to traders
(30:41):
and I would not go to theirs. I have no
space in my life for those who could care less
about the United States. She's upset, and then it says,
f around and find out. I mean, come on, this
is how So this is how people are going to
treat you if you are an open Trump supporter. And
I have someone in my life, so I look at
(31:03):
this holiday season and I'm like, I have a person
in my life who's on the other side of the
aisle and we argue back and forth about it, and
I have not contacted this person because I feel like
I needed to give them some time. It's not like,
you know what, am I going to contact them and
be like would you think of the election results and
have them be really mad? But this Thanksgiving, honestly, I
(31:24):
think it's time. I love the people who always are like,
I'm not going to talk about it, and then they
set out the Trump wine. You know, it's like, don't
do that. This is I think this is such a
great time of year because we can come together and
we can talk about how the country is healing. The
country is looking for someone to serve, not to someone
to dictate, someone to serve, and you have the opportunity
(31:47):
to just have people that you love around the table.
I absolutely say, have everybody you love around the table.
Have everybody give them grace, give them praise, love on
the people in your life life right now. Those people
who are saying they can't sit there, show them that
you love them. This is the party that cares for people.
(32:08):
The Right is the party that loves people, that cares
for people.
Speaker 16 (32:12):
It is our.
Speaker 17 (32:12):
Opportunity to bring those people into our lives. And say
we don't. We're not looking at politics. We are looking
at you. We love you, we want to see you successful.
That's what one out last week on election Day. It's
family bringing back American values. We heard from a guy
on the podcast who talks about the culture shift, and
(32:33):
the interesting part about the culture shift is that these
younger generations are going toward traditional values. That whole traad
wife thing.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's not a joke.
Speaker 17 (32:42):
They really are looking to bring back traditional values and
that feeling of safety and security and a family. Accept that,
and if they don't, if somebody doesn't want that, accept that,
that's the beauty of our country. Have your loved ones over,
Tell them you love them, Tell them you don't care
if they're mad at you about this, love them anyway.
But I think it's gonna be hard for some families.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
That's Tutor Dixon of The Tutor Dixon Show, and she's
right on the money. Some of our other hosts also
weighed in, but we're gonna save that for the next
Turkey Talk, along with more Clay and Buck. In fact,
the next episode is going to contain a few conversation
comebacks on subjects like reparations and history revisionism. I read
a lot of your emails, and producer Greg and Mark
(33:30):
take a lot of your calls, and we often hear
a common lament if only Clay and Buck were at
the dinner table when I get into political talk with
my woke college kid or Uncle Clive with the man bun,
turkey talk will serve as debate prep for the holidays,
But don't let politics ruin the relationships. It's okay to
challenge each other and engage in healthy debate, but remember
(33:52):
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