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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Turkey Talk, a special edition from Clay and
Buck Conversation Comebacks for the Holidays.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Producer Ali here. If you were with us last week
for Turkey Talk Part one, you heard Clay and Buck,
along with some of our other podcast hosts, Carol, Tudor
and MK talk about navigating Thanksgiving after a Trump win. Well,
that's not the only thing people are going to be
talking about at Thanksgiving this year. If you've got a
college age kid, and depending on where they go to school,
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brace yourself for some possible incoming, especially if they go
to Columbia University. Good luck getting through the appetizers without
a possible pilgrim dissing. Which is why I thought this
was the perfect time to dig into the Klay and
Buck archives and revisit some of their great conversations, like
this one from this past Columbus Day.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I am here in studio with my main man, Clay
in NYC. And yes, there is still a Columbus statue
near here in Columbus Circle.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They have not been able to tear it down yet.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Although Clay, you might have seen Saint John's University, the
largest Catholic university in the state of New York has
apparently canceled canceled Columbus Day celebration.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Oh yeah, did you know it was Columbus Day when
you woke up this morning?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I mean, I, yeah, yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Because I love talking about the truth of what an
Indigenous People's Day history celebration would mean. I like to
discuss with people that the Aztecs were a massive empire,
as were the Mayans, built atop slavery and human sacrifice
and the mutilation and torture of your enemies, and that
we don't know that much more about the native peoples
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in this country because they had neither the wheel nor
written language, nor had they even discovered animal husbandry, as
in we had to give them horses, or rather, the
Spanish did so the Plains Indians got their horses from
the Europeans who came.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
This is not something that has known very well.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So yes, if we want to have some Indigenous People's
Day talk, we can do that as well.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But yes, no, Columbus Day, I didn't even know. I
didn't know me. Uh, you know, we gotta It always feels.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like kind of a ridiculous holidays, right when people don't
work on Columbus Day.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I'm always like that's a little bit. I canna tell you.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You're a Nashville guy. I don't know how many Italians
you have in Nashville. Okay, I'm a New York guy
and so here New York area, a lot of guys
are like A.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I like Columbus deal.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I like this guy, Columbus good on the ship, you
know important stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
May I found some good.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That's one of the great uh Sopranos episodes.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Where Tony Sopranos like, Hey, the guy he got on
a boat, he got over here.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's amazing. So uh yeah, Columbus day it was.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was incredible, changed the world, and we celebrate the
achievement of the discovery and the bravery required for it.
Well rate it proudly. We don't have to sit here
and be like, well.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
What were Columbus's positions on trans rights? We're not going there.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, nobody had good positions on trans I promise you
the Aztecs didn't have good positions on trans rights or
anything else then either.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The Turkey Talk podcast is sponsored by Hillsdale College.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Sometimes the best armor is information.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Christopher Columbus the Genoese explorer, thanks to the Spanish monarchy,
changes the world, changes the future of humanity in a
way that is amazing and worthy of celebration, an incredible achievement.
This is a moment perhaps where you might be wondering, Oh,
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what does the leadership of the Democrat party think about
Christopher Columbus? Well, where do they come down on this issue?
Oh gosh, I don't know. What about the person who
is held up by the Democrats as the next leader
of the free world?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
What does Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I'm sure, by the way, we're probably a few hours
from this being Oh, she no longer feels that way.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Right, We'll get somebody anonymously.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
From political will say, you know, scoop, Kamala Harris aid, say,
she no longer feels this way about Columbus Day.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But yeah, you know, Clayton, it's totally good.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It is funny that you would have to have somebody
anonymous say, yeah, she actually is a big Columbus Day person.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Big Columbus. Oh, huge fan of Columbus, celebrates his whole catalog.
Here she is in not like two thousand and eight,
not two thousand and two. Here she is at the
beginning of her vice presidential term, talking about uh European
explorers on the This is the National Congress of American
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Indian seventy eighth Annual Convention. This is what she thinks
about the exploration of America.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Play it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Since nineteen thirty four, every October, the United States has
recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed
on the shores of the Americas. But that is not
the whole story. That has never been the whole story.
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Those explorers ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations,
perpetrating violence, stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not
shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed
light on it and do everything we can to address
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the impact of the past on Native communities today.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, this could be a much longer conversation about what
the reservation system in America has turned into and all
the casinos and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
The clay I would just put it this way.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
It was amazing what Columbus accomplished and in terms of
everything that came afterwards, and I've read extensively about what
it was like even in the pre American colonial era,
bad stuff was done.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
On both sides.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They lost, the Europeans won, and now we're an American
and it's a great place. Like what really, even if
we took kama letter word here.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
What are we supposed to do? It is a fantastic question.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And I mean, if you had a real historical conversation,
what in Kamala Harris's ideal world would the fourteen and
fifteen hundreds have looked like? What should have occurred that
did not? Overwhelmingly, Western civilization has made the world better.
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And so to pick different aspects of history that you
don't like five hundred years ago that none of us
had any control over.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, I just want to know how many lives if
we're going to play this game. And she's like, oh, well,
they brought disease, Well, yes, because the immune systems of
the people who were isolated here from the rest of
the planet were unable to handle pathogens that were freely
spread in societies all over the world by trade and exploration.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But just put that aside.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
How many lives were actually saved by and I'm talking
about all in by things like I don't know, antibiotics.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, how many.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Lives were saved by clean drinking water. How many lives
have been saved by the civilizational advances that, by the way,
didn't just come from Europe, came from many places around
the world. But they were civilizational advances. We can't just
pick the bad and leave out the good. And also,
I would point out there is such a rewriting of
history that goes on when it comes to the native
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tribes in this country, Clay, they were in a constant
state of warfare with each other. I mentioned the Aztecs,
but even if you look at other tribes, including tribes
that we that were in Texas, tribes that were in
the northeast parts of the iroquoidation, cannibalism was practiced that
like to eat their enemies. They would say it was
for ritual purposes, but uh, mutilation of men, women and children.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
In warfare like this.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
This whole notion that it was like the movie Pocahontas
where everyone's just you know, the the nobles and the
bees and everyone's just getting along is a complete and
utter lie. They were in a stone age in terms
of the civilizational advances they had, as we pointed out,
no wheel, no writing, and they fought wars against the
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people that showed up here, just like people fight wars
all over the world and they lost and now we're
all you know, now we're all here together. So I
just the whole thing to me is a one. It's
it's ahistorical. It's uh, it's unhelpful today. But Comma, there's
Kamala Harris, who's like, oh, well, the horrible things that
the Europeans did.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Also, there was no way to stop disease.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Even if we had arrived here and only been super
kind to everyone, the disease was still going to spread widely,
do we.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's actually these diseases they think.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Bubonic plague, for example, came from Asia and arrived on
ships originally in Venice and you know merchants, Genoese merchants,
Venetian merchants, and then it made its way all through Europe.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Are we sitting here like.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We need we need reparations from Asia for the bubonic plague?
You know, six hundred years ago? No, man, I mean
it was a tough world. Things happened, bad stuff went down.
I don't want to tell you human beings humanity. Life
was brutish, nasty and short. Anyway, I don't want to
spend too much time on it. I do just think
it's worth noting that Kamala Harris goes along with this.
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I do want to note that I hear from people
all the time now when they go to college tours
and stuff. They start with these indigenous land, you know,
proclamation about how I know how we are here on
stolen then actually, no, it's ours now.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I am taking my son around my oldest to visit
different campuses, and many of the campus tours book before
they even tell you about the history of the school
at all, begin with land acknowledgments. And I felt like
I was being pranked. When you're there and you're excited
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to go tour a campus and the very first thing
the campus tour guide says is before we start to
walk you around here, we want to acknowledge this is
stole land. I can't believe that this is complate. They
do this now, buck in many universities. On the first
day of class, it's written in the syllabus, these land acknowledgments.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's so crazy. You know, when you go back and.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You actually read the history, if you read honest history
of what happened, and a lot Texans tend to know
more about this. Texas was out on its own, particularly
the early eighteen hundreds and going up to the period
of the Civil War when it came to dealing with
the native tribes, particularly the Comanche, the Apache, the Kiowa,
and one of the things that's left out it's always, oh,
though the white man made these treats and broke the treaties,
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there would be these tribes Comanchi's a good example, and
they would decide, like some of the young braves would
decide that they wanted to out make a name for themselves,
and they would do something called murder rates that's actually
what they called it. Then they weren't trying to they
weren't showing up at a fort and fighting with able
bodied men to see who was going to be in
control of territory. They would wait until women and children
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were left alone. They would go in enslave and or rape, murder, mutilate.
And then when we would sit and say, hold on
a second, I thought we had a treaty with you guys.
You know, the chief would say, sorry, I can't control everybody,
or sorry, that's not my tribe. Well, you know, imagine
that that's your life on the frontier. After a while,
you get pretty tired of that. So there's a total
rewriting of this issue that goes on people. One of
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the problems even then was that Texans were like, this
is horrible, this is what's going on, And people in
DC and the.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Northeast were, what's the problem? Yeah, there aren't they just
you know, civilizing like all the rest of us, and
is everything great? No it is not. Actually, they're going
on murder raids. And this is a history that's not
talked about man ever.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Ever, I do a whole podcast series on this. People
should know this stuff. People should know what went on.
People should know that they that first of all, they
were they were slavers. The Native Americans. Oh yes, practiced
widespread and continuous slavery against each other and eventually against
white settlers who were here.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, there was a.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Huge So all of this is a lot. Can we
play just to have a little bit of humor. We've
got the sopranos, because we mentioned this in the past hour.
I think we've got the sopranos audio.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I hope we have the bleeps in there. I think,
well we'll sit the bleeps. Okay, all right, we got bleeps.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
All right, So here is Tony Soprano, one of the
great shows in the history of television. Weighing in to
your point. We're here in New York City, huge Italian population.
My mother in law's Italian. She would probably nod along
entirely with Tony Soprano.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Here he discovered America, is what he did. He was
a brave Italian explorer. And this house, Christopher Columbus, is
a hero and a story. Yes, okay, I've been Tony Soprano.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
The Indigenous people Day concept is so laughably absurd that
I can't believe it's reach.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I just, you know what, I also would want to ask, okay,
what land did they own? Like, show me how do
you even sort? You know how they you know how
they had determine who owned what land among the tribes,
what they could keep by force of arms against other tribes.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
There were no deeds, there was none of this stuff.
It was just, Hey, if you come into my hunting territory,
I'm gonna scalp you.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We've also had the whole thing too.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Of suddenly scalping becomes a practice, and they try to say,
now that this comes from the European side of things.
Interesting never happened anywhere else until they came into the Americas.
And guess what they would take trophies of each other.
And people even ask me, you can go check. There
were among the Native American tribes. There was cannibalism practice,
not by all of them, but by some of them.
You will not read that in books until you find
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the right books.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It is true.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
This also ties in with the entire concept of trying
to redefine American history around slavery, which is what they've
tried to do with The New York Times, for instance.
The idea that slavery only existed in the United States
is really kind of embedded in the left wing attempt
to destroy the history of the United States.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
This country fought its first foreign war in large part,
really entirely to stop the enslavement of white Europeans by
Barbary corsairs off the north from the North African coast.
Essentially that was to the shores of Tripoli. That's why
we actually fought our First's why we outfitted a navy.
We had six frigates, we deployed them, and we had
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to go fight because and we asked, Actually, there was
one of the you know, the Pasha or the Amy
or whatever he's called himself at the time, was in
London and our emissary, i believe it might have even
been Jefferson at the time, said why are you doing
this to us? Because the Koran says we can and
we like to.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's it. So when we're enslaving our people.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
One of the huge lessons of world history, if you
actually study it, is every single person listening to us
right now has at some point had ancestors who were
slaves and people who owned slaves. One hundred percent of you, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
If you go back far enough, slavery was so endemic
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in society that every single one of you has an
ancestor who owned slaves and was save.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
The word comes from slav actually, that's the root of it,
and it goes back to ancient Roman times. So the
original slaves, if you will, or white people in eastern Europe,
that is where the term originated from.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Two thousand years ago. I talked about the slave trade.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
By the way, that slave trade of Barbary corsairs off
of North Africa. It wasn't a short period. It went
on for about three hundred years. They went as far
as Ireland and Iceland. They would go all along the
coast of Spain. In fact, the Spanish in the sixteenth
century were terrified. They would tell their children's stories about
Barbarossa the pirate, and how he would steal children from
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the coast, because they did, by the way, that was
a thing that would happen. They would show up anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
We could talk with this all day long.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
But this this idea that it was like, oh, everything
was great here.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It was not utopia.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
They were not noble savages, which was another aspect of
the way that they were described in the Jefferson Sonian era. No,
their lives were brutal and filled with violence, and in
no way were they living in some sort of dentic paradise.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So when we were right, Davy Crockett and we have
Crockett Coffee, Davy Crockett's grandfather was scalped by Indians. Yeah, okay,
this was a reality of life on the frontier. Imagine
that's there. You know, I know, Joe Biden's like, you know,
my grand my granduncle was eaten by cannibals or something.
They're almost eaten by Cannibal's turn. Now that wasn't true,
but it's Joe Biden. But this was reality of life
on the frontier. We get a very one sided story.
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And yeah, people do really horrible things. I mean, go
back and read about the Thirty Years War in Germany
and Europe. People do very terrible things to each other.
But it's only this one where all of a sudden
we're like, where's I'm supposed to make amends for this today?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I didn't do anything. You didn't do any No one
listening to this did anything. But we're supposed to sit.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Around and say, oh, you know, I'm so worried about
it anyway, And Kamala Harris plays into that game just
just saying it. She is all about whatever the woke demands.
This whole moderate Kamala thing is absolute garbage. It's not true.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
The Turkey Talk podcast is sponsored by Hillsdale College.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Sometimes the best armor is information.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes, it's producer Ali Again. I realized Turkey Talk needed
a narrator for content context, So here I am. It's
interesting to hear Clay and Buck talk on Columbus Day
back in October before we knew the outcome of the election.
Listening to that Harris clip really underscores a lot of
what was on the ballot, which was a whole lot
of woke. The guys laid it out well, especially when
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it came to a couple other issues too. So in
case this comes up at your dinner table, let's revisit
so you have some information armor.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
You can debate border policy and some of that gets confusing.
You can debate tax policy. It's easy to get mucked
up in the details. Whether a dude should be able
to compete as a women's athlete and win a women's
championship is so crystallizing that I think it's cutting through
the noise as we come and come down the home
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stretch here. And I hope Kamala Harris gets asked about
this because you thought you've heard word salads from her
so far. Buck, Can you imagine her trying to respond
on this issue. This issue Initially men were like me,
we're driving it because we saw it as crazy. And
men tend to in general be bigger sports fans than women,
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and I think men understand the concept of men being bigger, stronger,
and faster, particularly if you played sports than women did.
But now thanks to many people like Riley gain speaking out,
women are finding their own voice on this issue. And
I think a lot of women were afraid that they
weren't being kind enough or they weren't being caring or
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empathetic enough for the trans community. And that moment is
passed and women are taking a substantial lead and talking
about this issue. And I think Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say,
who is out there, former women's gymnast who has her
own clothing company. I think a lot of women's athletes
are saying enough is enough. We're not going to stand
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for that. And it's going on right now in the
battleground state of Nevada where women's volleyball team said we
don't want to play against San Jose State University that
has a man that is dominating women's college volleyball on
the team, and a lot of women are saying, we're
not playing in a match if they're going to have
a man competing against us, it's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I also just wait for there to be a real
defense of this practice. You'll notice that whenever it comes up,
they're these there's these steps that the left will go through.
It doesn't happen that often. Why is it such a
big deal to you? Why are you being so mean?
Why can't you just be inclusive? They won't address the
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core issue, which is not only is this unfair, biologically unfair?
I mean, why why have age differences in sports? Why
not let sixteen year olds play ten year olds in
soccer or basketball?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Exactly, you know why not? I mean, why do we
have these separations? Because we're trying to create some baseline
of biologically based fairness And they can't actually address this.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So what do they do? They attack?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It's a little bit like what I dealt with on
the Bill Marshow. I'm smoking them on all the arguments.
So it's like, well you're not like that?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Cool? Yeah, well what does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, they can't make a coherent defense of any
of this, and in a sense, Kamala, I'm gonna offer
something up.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Clay Kamala is actually the.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Perfect candidate for this moment Democrat politics because her incoherence
on everything, the fact that she stands for nothing except power,
is a perfect encapsulation of what the Democrat Party of
today is and the fact that she says her principles
haven't changed when she's changed her mind on everything is
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a perfect a perfect overview of where the Democrat Party
is right now. Nothing makes sense and it's not supposed
to shut up and let them run your life.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
We've got another cut that I wanted to play. We
mentioned that Kamala did a town hall and every time
she does one of these interviews, there is a question
that to me becomes a central negativity associated with the
interview that she did, whether there's not a thing she
would change from the view and Colbet most recently, every
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time she speaks she says something that turns off a
large majority of the population, and I think that's why
they hit her to such an extent. But she was
asked about reparations. She in the past has said that
she believes reparation should happen. California studied the issue and
even Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I understand the recommendation, but
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no California, which never permitted slavery, by the way, and
has a relatively small as a percentage of the population
overall black population, I think California is only six or
eight percent black.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
That sometimes surprises people large Asian, large Hispanic, large white population,
but not that large of a black population. But she
was asked and Gavin Newsom said, the cost on this
is just outrageous. There's no way we can do it. Basically,
thanks for the recommendation, but we're not going to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
She said, we need to study it.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Cost estimates around twelve trillion dollars for reparations.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Buck. Here's Kamala on racial reparations.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yes, I'm running to be a president for all Americans.
That being said, I do have clear eyes about the
disparities that exist and the context in which they exist,
meaning history to your point, So my agenda, well, first
of all, on the point of reparations, it has to
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be studied. There's no question about that, and I've been
very clear about that position.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Okay, let's talk about this. First of all. I love
when she says I've been very clear. When she gives
a non answer, this would be like if you were
like if Clay asked me, He's like, Buck, what do
you think about this? And I was like, I played
the fifth as I have been very clear about my answer.
It's like, well, you're not answering. Actually you're you're choosing
to give a total non answer. In this process, a
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few things that would come up, and this is one
of reparations I might add to the national electorate. Incredibly unpopular,
eighty twenty against at least, yeah, eighty twenty against at
least for obvious reasons.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
A lot of people oppose us.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But if you're going to have reparations, here are the
questions I have to ask, who gets them?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
What do you have to do to qualify for them?
How much?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Questions like, if you're a quarter African American, do you
do you get like twenty five percent of what the
full reparations package would be? You know, how far back
do you go? I mean, if you're half African American,
let's say you get a different percent. These are the
questions you would have to answer. If you are a
Nigerian immigrants, do the United States have a higher than
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most groups in this country household income? But would they
know they wouldn't qualify for reparations? Okay, well who does?
Who doesn't? At what point do you start to make
these distinctions or rather how far back do you have
to go? And the other part of the clay is
it's immoral because you're taking money from people today with
the force of the state based on some historical you know,
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some historical story. And then also it's never enough. This
is the part of it that everybody knows, right, there
would never be enough money in this program, just like
all other redistribution of wealth programs. It's never enough to
deal with the problem. Well, I mean, it's messy on
so many different levels. To your point, you have to
do percentage analysis, right, because huge percentages of the people
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who live in America here were not in America when
slavery occurred. So if you're an immigrant from from China,
why in the world should you be paying reparations to
black people? It makes no sense, right, So it's the
huge percentage population wasn't here. Also, just you know, Jews
who fled the Holocaust in the Second World War, okay,
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you just got here in like nineteen fifty or you know,
nineteen forty whatever, they would be paying reparations, among many
other people, to the black community for slavery that has
been outlawed for one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I also always enjoy two other points. One, I'm a history, Nerd,
So are we just forgetting the hundreds of thousands of
people who died in the Civil War. I got an
ancestor who died fighting in the Civil War. He was
motivated in some way over the issue of slavery. Those
people's lives don't matter. Some of us would who are white,
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carry the blood of people who fought in the Civil
War on both sides, and that's a whole historical mess
in and of itself. But those guys who actually gave
their lives, some of them to enslavery, don't count, right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think you'd have a very fair point if we're
going to do this. Historical ancestry is something you're responsible for.
You know, my family are Irish immigrants, and the Irish
side that got here into the North, it's very likely
they fought for the Union. So am I exempted right
to do you get exited?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Do you get credit because you had Union soldiers who
fought in your background. Here's the other thing, buck that
nobody really wants to talk about. Well, shouldn't Africa pay
a substantial amount of the reparations here? Since the slaves
were initially enslaved in Africa and Africans profited immensely off
the slave trade. It's as if there is no reparations
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responsibility for that aspect of the slave trade.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I also think that, you know, you can look at
a the closest thing that we've had in this country
to something along the lines of there are also people
who by the way I would I would point out,
would would claim that overall, you know, the welfare state
that this country has been supporting for the last seventy
years or so is a form of uh, not even
just for the African American community, but across the board,
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meant to repair historical injustices by for dispossessed communities. And
I mean, and you know, it's been a lot of money.
It's the point, right, there's already a lot of money
that is going to help people in this country. We
have a trillion dollar welfarest in this country. Beyond that, though,
you look at the Native American population, in the you know,
Indian population, I think it's in we're are we supposed
to call them now, the you know indigenous tribes. The
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name keeps changing, which I think is just meant to
see who will be who. It's obedience training for the
rest of us. I might add, you know, you're not
You're not supposed to say Eskimo anymore because Eskimo is
only one tribe and they prefer, I think more generally Inuit.
Our Alaska listeners, we've got a great station up up
in Anchorage. They would know more about this than I do.
But oh, you know, if you say Eskimo, you're being rude.
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I mean, we can't keep up with all this. What's
the name? Tough to know the name because no written language,
you know, not a lot of textual basis for this stuff.
But on the Native American reservations clay across the country,
this has been a program for a long time, and
there have been special incentives given to those communities, and
we as a country, we never even really look at
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Native American reservations are a horrible state of affairs when
you look at things like domestic abuse, alcoholism, violent crime
per capita.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
These are not happy places. They're reservations.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And then we have people in Oklahoma listening who know
exactly about this. We've had the governor of Oklahoma, who
himself is a Native American, by the way, a member
of a tribe, Kevin Stitt. And this is not a
program that has been successful at all. Really when you
look at it, So why would we do these sort
of race based preference programs, especially after the Constitution has
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already told us that an admissions it's bad, in redistribution
of wealth it's good.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I would also add historically, Buck, and this really gets
people all flummoxed. Remember, we were a colony of Great Bit,
Great Britain for the vast majority of time that there
was slavery in the United States. Why should the United
States be responsible from sixteen nineteen to seventeen seventy six
or seventeen eighty three, England should have to pay all
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of the reparations to slaves in the United States because
England was the power here. We were colonies. We were
until we revolted. We didn't have democracy in this country.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
So I never hear.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Anybody say, Okay, well, England is on the hook. We
only had legal slavery in the United States for eighty
years and to your point, seventeen eighty three to eighteen
sixty three. To your point, Buck, we've since had the
welfare state, which to a large extent since the nineteen
sixties has existed with the idea being that we're going
to provide some form of compensation and redress to people
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who were discriminated against. We've had the welfare state and
the civil rights era almost as long now in the
United States since we had slavery. So anyway, I just
love the history of it. Very few people actually dive
into it, which is why, on its face, eighty percent
of some aut Americans say this is a joke. Kamala
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believes it should happen in twenty nineteen, and she's saying
now it should be studied still in twenty twenty four.
Again another swinging amiss.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well stated by the guys. If you have friends or
family that are having a hard time understanding what happened
this election, like they're genuinely confused over the loss, or
saying things like half the country must be racist or sexist,
maybe have them listen to Turkey talk. I saw this
statement circling on social media. Quote, you say you love me,
but then voted for someone who's only going to hurt
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me and my family. My response is to tell them
you don't agree with that premise that it's kind of
hard to have a conversation when it begins with a
non starter.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Before we wrap our friend Lisa Booth, another one of
our great hosts and the Clambuck Feed with the Truth
with Lisa Booth podcast has some final thoughts going into
the holidays.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Hey guys, it's Lisa Booth, the host of the Truth
with Lisa Booth. Well, first of all, Happy Thanksgiving. I
hope you have the best time. But now what to
do with your liberal friends and family? I say you
blast the YMCA song, you come in doing the Trump dance.
Maybe you add the golf swing in for good measure,
just to add a little flare. Then you take your
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Maga hat off and you spike it to the ground
and start beating your chest. The point is, we've been
called all sorts of things over the past few years.
We were called garbage, we were called Nazis, we were
called fascis, we were called irredeemable, we were called the
basket of deplorables. And guess what more Americans agree with
us than your liberal friends and family. So you don't
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have to be a jerk about it. But you hold
your head up high. We were right and America lives
to see another day. So happy Thanksgiving. I hope you
have the best time.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show.
Welcome to Turkey Talk, a special edition from Clay and
Buck Conversation Comebacks for the Holidays.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Producer Ali here. If you were with us last week
for Turkey Talk Part one, you heard Clay and Buck,
along with some of our other podcast hosts, Carol, Tudor
and MK talk about navigating Thanksgiving after a Trump win. Well,
that's not the only thing people are going to be
talking about at Thanksgiving this year. If you've got a
college age kid, and depending on where they go to school,
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brace yourself for some possible incoming, especially if they go
to Columbia University. Good luck getting through the appetizers without
a possible pilgrim dissing. Which is why I thought this
was the perfect time to dig into the Klay and
Buck archives and revisit some of their great conversations, like
this one from this past Columbus Day.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I am here in studio with my main man, Clay
in NYC. And yes, there is still a Columbus statue
near here in Columbus Circle.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They have not been able to tear it down yet.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Although Clay, you might have seen Saint John's University, the
largest Catholic university in the state of New York has
apparently canceled canceled Columbus Day celebration.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Oh yeah, did you know it was Columbus Day when
you woke up this morning?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I mean, I, yeah, yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Because I love talking about the truth of what an
Indigenous People's Day history celebration would mean. I like to
discuss with people that the Aztecs were a massive empire,
as were the Mayans, built atop slavery and human sacrifice
and the mutilation and torture of your enemies, and that
we don't know that much more about the native peoples
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in this country because they had neither the wheel nor
written language, nor had they even discovered animal husbandry, as
in we had to give them horses, or rather, the
Spanish did so the Plains Indians got their horses from
the Europeans who came.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
This is not something that has known very well.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So yes, if we want to have some Indigenous People's
Day talk, we can do that as well.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
But yes, no, Columbus Day, I didn't even know. I
didn't know me. Uh, you know, we gotta It always feels.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like kind of a ridiculous holidays, right when people don't
work on Columbus Day.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I'm always like that's a little bit. I canna tell you.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You're a Nashville guy. I don't know how many Italians
you have in Nashville. Okay, I'm a New York guy
and so here New York area, a lot of guys
are like A.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I like Columbus deal.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I like this guy, Columbus good on the ship, you
know important stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
May I found some good.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That's one of the great uh Sopranos episodes.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Where Tony Sopranos like, Hey, the guy he got on
a boat, he got over here.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
He's amazing. So uh yeah, Columbus day it was.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It was incredible, changed the world, and we celebrate the
achievement of the discovery and the bravery required for it.
Well rate it proudly. We don't have to sit here
and be like, well.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
What were Columbus's positions on trans rights? We're not going there.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, nobody had good positions on trans I promise you
the Aztecs didn't have good positions on trans rights or
anything else then either.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The Turkey Talk podcast is sponsored by Hillsdale College.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Sometimes the best armor is information.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Christopher Columbus the Genoese explorer, thanks to the Spanish monarchy,
changes the world, changes the future of humanity in a
way that is amazing and worthy of celebration, an incredible achievement.
This is a moment perhaps where you might be wondering, Oh,
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what does the leadership of the Democrat party think about
Christopher Columbus? Well, where do they come down on this issue?
Oh gosh, I don't know. What about the person who
is held up by the Democrats as the next leader
of the free world?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
What does Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I'm sure, by the way, we're probably a few hours
from this being Oh, she no longer feels that way.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Right, We'll get somebody anonymously.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
From political will say, you know, scoop, Kamala Harris aid, say,
she no longer feels this way about Columbus Day.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But yeah, you know, Clayton, it's totally good.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It is funny that you would have to have somebody
anonymous say, yeah, she actually is a big Columbus Day person.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Big Columbus. Oh, huge fan of Columbus, celebrates his whole catalog.
Here she is in not like two thousand and eight,
not two thousand and two. Here she is at the
beginning of her vice presidential term, talking about uh European
explorers on the This is the National Congress of American
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Indian seventy eighth Annual Convention. This is what she thinks
about the exploration of America.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Play it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Since nineteen thirty four, every October, the United States has
recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed
on the shores of the Americas. But that is not
the whole story. That has never been the whole story.
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Those explorers ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations,
perpetrating violence, stealing land, and spreading disease. We must not
shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed
light on it and do everything we can to address
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the impact of the past on Native communities today.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, this could be a much longer conversation about what
the reservation system in America has turned into and all
the casinos and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
The clay I would just put it this way.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
It was amazing what Columbus accomplished and in terms of
everything that came afterwards, and I've read extensively about what
it was like even in the pre American colonial era,
bad stuff was done.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
On both sides.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They lost, the Europeans won, and now we're an American
and it's a great place. Like what really, even if
we took kama letter word here.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
What are we supposed to do? It is a fantastic question.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And I mean, if you had a real historical conversation,
what in Kamala Harris's ideal world would the fourteen and
fifteen hundreds have looked like? What should have occurred that
did not? Overwhelmingly, Western civilization has made the world better.
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And so to pick different aspects of history that you
don't like five hundred years ago that none of us
had any control over.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, I just want to know how many lives if
we're going to play this game. And she's like, oh, well,
they brought disease, Well, yes, because the immune systems of
the people who were isolated here from the rest of
the planet were unable to handle pathogens that were freely
spread in societies all over the world by trade and exploration.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But just put that aside.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
How many lives were actually saved by and I'm talking
about all in by things like I don't know, antibiotics.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, how many.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Lives were saved by clean drinking water. How many lives
have been saved by the civilizational advances that, by the way,
didn't just come from Europe, came from many places around
the world. But they were civilizational advances. We can't just
pick the bad and leave out the good. And also,
I would point out there is such a rewriting of
history that goes on when it comes to the native
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tribes in this country, Clay, they were in a constant
state of warfare with each other. I mentioned the Aztecs,
but even if you look at other tribes, including tribes
that we that were in Texas, tribes that were in
the northeast parts of the iroquoidation, cannibalism was practiced that
like to eat their enemies. They would say it was
for ritual purposes, but uh, mutilation of men, women and children.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
In warfare like this.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
This whole notion that it was like the movie Pocahontas
where everyone's just you know, the the nobles and the
bees and everyone's just getting along is a complete and
utter lie. They were in a stone age in terms
of the civilizational advances they had, as we pointed out,
no wheel, no writing, and they fought wars against the
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people that showed up here, just like people fight wars
all over the world and they lost and now we're
all you know, now we're all here together. So I
just the whole thing to me is a one. It's
it's ahistorical. It's uh, it's unhelpful today. But Comma, there's
Kamala Harris, who's like, oh, well, the horrible things that
the Europeans did.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Also, there was no way to stop disease.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Even if we had arrived here and only been super
kind to everyone, the disease was still going to spread widely,
do we.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's actually these diseases they think.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Bubonic plague, for example, came from Asia and arrived on
ships originally in Venice and you know merchants, Genoese merchants,
Venetian merchants, and then it made its way all through Europe.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Are we sitting here like.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We need we need reparations from Asia for the bubonic plague?
You know, six hundred years ago? No, man, I mean
it was a tough world. Things happened, bad stuff went down.
I don't want to tell you human beings humanity. Life
was brutish, nasty and short. Anyway, I don't want to
spend too much time on it. I do just think
it's worth noting that Kamala Harris goes along with this.
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I do want to note that I hear from people
all the time now when they go to college tours
and stuff. They start with these indigenous land, you know,
proclamation about how I know how we are here on
stolen then actually, no, it's ours now.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I am taking my son around my oldest to visit
different campuses, and many of the campus tours book before
they even tell you about the history of the school
at all, begin with land acknowledgments. And I felt like
I was being pranked. When you're there and you're excited
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to go tour a campus and the very first thing
the campus tour guide says is before we start to
walk you around here, we want to acknowledge this is
stole land. I can't believe that this is complate. They
do this now, buck in many universities. On the first
day of class, it's written in the syllabus, these land acknowledgments.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's so crazy. You know, when you go back and.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You actually read the history, if you read honest history
of what happened, and a lot Texans tend to know
more about this. Texas was out on its own, particularly
the early eighteen hundreds and going up to the period
of the Civil War when it came to dealing with
the native tribes, particularly the Comanche, the Apache, the Kiowa,
and one of the things that's left out it's always, oh,
though the white man made these treats and broke the treaties,
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there would be these tribes Comanchi's a good example, and
they would decide, like some of the young braves would
decide that they wanted to out make a name for themselves,
and they would do something called murder rates that's actually
what they called it. Then they weren't trying to they
weren't showing up at a fort and fighting with able
bodied men to see who was going to be in
control of territory. They would wait until women and children
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were left alone. They would go in enslave and or rape, murder, mutilate.
And then when we would sit and say, hold on
a second, I thought we had a treaty with you guys.
You know, the chief would say, sorry, I can't control everybody,
or sorry, that's not my tribe. Well, you know, imagine
that that's your life on the frontier. After a while,
you get pretty tired of that. So there's a total
rewriting of this issue that goes on people. One of
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the problems even then was that Texans were like, this
is horrible, this is what's going on, And people in
DC and the.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Northeast were, what's the problem? Yeah, there aren't they just
you know, civilizing like all the rest of us, and
is everything great? No it is not. Actually, they're going
on murder raids. And this is a history that's not
talked about man ever.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Ever, I do a whole podcast series on this. People
should know this stuff. People should know what went on.
People should know that they that first of all, they
were they were slavers. The Native Americans. Oh yes, practiced
widespread and continuous slavery against each other and eventually against
white settlers who were here.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, there was a.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Huge So all of this is a lot. Can we
play just to have a little bit of humor. We've
got the sopranos, because we mentioned this in the past hour.
I think we've got the sopranos audio.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I hope we have the bleeps in there. I think,
well we'll sit the bleeps. Okay, all right, we got bleeps.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
All right, So here is Tony Soprano, one of the
great shows in the history of television. Weighing in to
your point. We're here in New York City, huge Italian population.
My mother in law's Italian. She would probably nod along
entirely with Tony Soprano.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Here he discovered America, is what he did. He was
a brave Italian explorer. And this house, Christopher Columbus, is
a hero and a story. Yes, okay, I've been Tony Soprano.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
The Indigenous people Day concept is so laughably absurd that
I can't believe it's reach.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I just, you know what, I also would want to ask, okay,
what land did they own? Like, show me how do
you even sort? You know how they you know how
they had determine who owned what land among the tribes,
what they could keep by force of arms against other tribes.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
There were no deeds, there was none of this stuff.
It was just, Hey, if you come into my hunting territory,
I'm gonna scalp you.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We've also had the whole thing too.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Of suddenly scalping becomes a practice, and they try to say,
now that this comes from the European side of things.
Interesting never happened anywhere else until they came into the Americas.
And guess what they would take trophies of each other.
And people even ask me, you can go check. There
were among the Native American tribes. There was cannibalism practice,
not by all of them, but by some of them.
You will not read that in books until you find
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the right books.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It is true.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
This also ties in with the entire concept of trying
to redefine American history around slavery, which is what they've
tried to do with The New York Times, for instance.
The idea that slavery only existed in the United States
is really kind of embedded in the left wing attempt
to destroy the history of the United States.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
This country fought its first foreign war in large part,
really entirely to stop the enslavement of white Europeans by
Barbary corsairs off the north from the North African coast.
Essentially that was to the shores of Tripoli. That's why
we actually fought our First's why we outfitted a navy.
We had six frigates, we deployed them, and we had
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to go fight because and we asked, Actually, there was
one of the you know, the Pasha or the Amy
or whatever he's called himself at the time, was in
London and our emissary, i believe it might have even
been Jefferson at the time, said why are you doing
this to us? Because the Koran says we can and
we like to.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's it. So when we're enslaving our people.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
One of the huge lessons of world history, if you
actually study it, is every single person listening to us
right now has at some point had ancestors who were
slaves and people who owned slaves. One hundred percent of you, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
If you go back far enough, slavery was so endemic
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in society that every single one of you has an
ancestor who owned slaves and was save.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
The word comes from slav actually, that's the root of it,
and it goes back to ancient Roman times. So the
original slaves, if you will, or white people in eastern Europe,
that is where the term originated from.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Two thousand years ago. I talked about the slave trade.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
By the way, that slave trade of Barbary corsairs off
of North Africa. It wasn't a short period. It went
on for about three hundred years. They went as far
as Ireland and Iceland. They would go all along the
coast of Spain. In fact, the Spanish in the sixteenth
century were terrified. They would tell their children's stories about
Barbarossa the pirate, and how he would steal children from
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the coast, because they did, by the way, that was
a thing that would happen. They would show up anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
We could talk with this all day long.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
But this this idea that it was like, oh, everything
was great here.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It was not utopia.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
They were not noble savages, which was another aspect of
the way that they were described in the Jefferson Sonian era. No,
their lives were brutal and filled with violence, and in
no way were they living in some sort of dentic paradise.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So when we were right, Davy Crockett and we have
Crockett Coffee, Davy Crockett's grandfather was scalped by Indians. Yeah, okay,
this was a reality of life on the frontier. Imagine
that's there. You know, I know, Joe Biden's like, you know,
my grand my granduncle was eaten by cannibals or something.
They're almost eaten by Cannibal's turn. Now that wasn't true,
but it's Joe Biden. But this was reality of life
on the frontier. We get a very one sided story.
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And yeah, people do really horrible things. I mean, go
back and read about the Thirty Years War in Germany
and Europe. People do very terrible things to each other.
But it's only this one where all of a sudden
we're like, where's I'm supposed to make amends for this today?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I didn't do anything. You didn't do any No one
listening to this did anything. But we're supposed to sit.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Around and say, oh, you know, I'm so worried about
it anyway, And Kamala Harris plays into that game just
just saying it. She is all about whatever the woke demands.
This whole moderate Kamala thing is absolute garbage. It's not true.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
The Turkey Talk podcast is sponsored by Hillsdale College.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Sometimes the best armor is information.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yes, it's producer Ali Again. I realized Turkey Talk needed
a narrator for content context, So here I am. It's
interesting to hear Clay and Buck talk on Columbus Day
back in October before we knew the outcome of the election.
Listening to that Harris clip really underscores a lot of
what was on the ballot, which was a whole lot
of woke. The guys laid it out well, especially when
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it came to a couple other issues too. So in
case this comes up at your dinner table, let's revisit
so you have some information armor.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
You can debate border policy and some of that gets confusing.
You can debate tax policy. It's easy to get mucked
up in the details. Whether a dude should be able
to compete as a women's athlete and win a women's
championship is so crystallizing that I think it's cutting through
the noise as we come and come down the home
(18:27):
stretch here. And I hope Kamala Harris gets asked about
this because you thought you've heard word salads from her
so far. Buck, Can you imagine her trying to respond
on this issue. This issue Initially men were like me,
we're driving it because we saw it as crazy. And
men tend to in general be bigger sports fans than women,
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and I think men understand the concept of men being bigger, stronger,
and faster, particularly if you played sports than women did.
But now thanks to many people like Riley gain speaking out,
women are finding their own voice on this issue. And
I think a lot of women were afraid that they
weren't being kind enough or they weren't being caring or
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empathetic enough for the trans community. And that moment is
passed and women are taking a substantial lead and talking
about this issue. And I think Riley Gaines, Jennifer Say,
who is out there, former women's gymnast who has her
own clothing company. I think a lot of women's athletes
are saying enough is enough. We're not going to stand
(19:31):
for that. And it's going on right now in the
battleground state of Nevada where women's volleyball team said we
don't want to play against San Jose State University that
has a man that is dominating women's college volleyball on
the team, and a lot of women are saying, we're
not playing in a match if they're going to have
a man competing against us, it's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I also just wait for there to be a real
defense of this practice. You'll notice that whenever it comes up,
they're these there's these steps that the left will go through.
It doesn't happen that often. Why is it such a
big deal to you? Why are you being so mean?
Why can't you just be inclusive? They won't address the
(20:14):
core issue, which is not only is this unfair, biologically unfair?
I mean, why why have age differences in sports? Why
not let sixteen year olds play ten year olds in
soccer or basketball?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Exactly, you know why not? I mean, why do we
have these separations? Because we're trying to create some baseline
of biologically based fairness And they can't actually address this.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So what do they do? They attack?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It's a little bit like what I dealt with on
the Bill Marshow. I'm smoking them on all the arguments.
So it's like, well you're not like that?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Cool? Yeah, well what does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, they can't make a coherent defense of any
of this, and in a sense, Kamala, I'm gonna offer
something up.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Clay Kamala is actually the.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Perfect candidate for this moment Democrat politics because her incoherence
on everything, the fact that she stands for nothing except power,
is a perfect encapsulation of what the Democrat Party of
today is and the fact that she says her principles
haven't changed when she's changed her mind on everything is
(21:19):
a perfect a perfect overview of where the Democrat Party
is right now. Nothing makes sense and it's not supposed
to shut up and let them run your life.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
We've got another cut that I wanted to play. We
mentioned that Kamala did a town hall and every time
she does one of these interviews, there is a question
that to me becomes a central negativity associated with the
interview that she did, whether there's not a thing she
would change from the view and Colbet most recently, every
(21:51):
time she speaks she says something that turns off a
large majority of the population, and I think that's why
they hit her to such an extent. But she was
asked about reparations. She in the past has said that
she believes reparation should happen. California studied the issue and
even Gavin Newsom said, yeah, I understand the recommendation, but
(22:13):
no California, which never permitted slavery, by the way, and
has a relatively small as a percentage of the population
overall black population, I think California is only six or
eight percent black.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
That sometimes surprises people large Asian, large Hispanic, large white population,
but not that large of a black population. But she
was asked and Gavin Newsom said, the cost on this
is just outrageous. There's no way we can do it. Basically,
thanks for the recommendation, but we're not going to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
She said, we need to study it.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Cost estimates around twelve trillion dollars for reparations.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Buck. Here's Kamala on racial reparations.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yes, I'm running to be a president for all Americans.
That being said, I do have clear eyes about the
disparities that exist and the context in which they exist,
meaning history to your point, So my agenda, well, first
of all, on the point of reparations, it has to
(23:12):
be studied. There's no question about that, and I've been
very clear about that position.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Okay, let's talk about this. First of all. I love
when she says I've been very clear. When she gives
a non answer, this would be like if you were
like if Clay asked me, He's like, Buck, what do
you think about this? And I was like, I played
the fifth as I have been very clear about my answer.
It's like, well, you're not answering. Actually you're you're choosing
to give a total non answer. In this process, a
(23:37):
few things that would come up, and this is one
of reparations I might add to the national electorate. Incredibly unpopular,
eighty twenty against at least, yeah, eighty twenty against at
least for obvious reasons.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
A lot of people oppose us.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But if you're going to have reparations, here are the
questions I have to ask, who gets them?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
What do you have to do to qualify for them?
How much?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Questions like, if you're a quarter African American, do you
do you get like twenty five percent of what the
full reparations package would be? You know, how far back
do you go? I mean, if you're half African American,
let's say you get a different percent. These are the
questions you would have to answer. If you are a
Nigerian immigrants, do the United States have a higher than
(24:24):
most groups in this country household income? But would they
know they wouldn't qualify for reparations? Okay, well who does?
Who doesn't? At what point do you start to make
these distinctions or rather how far back do you have
to go? And the other part of the clay is
it's immoral because you're taking money from people today with
the force of the state based on some historical you know,
(24:45):
some historical story. And then also it's never enough. This
is the part of it that everybody knows, right, there
would never be enough money in this program, just like
all other redistribution of wealth programs. It's never enough to
deal with the problem. Well, I mean, it's messy on
so many different levels. To your point, you have to
do percentage analysis, right, because huge percentages of the people
(25:06):
who live in America here were not in America when
slavery occurred. So if you're an immigrant from from China,
why in the world should you be paying reparations to
black people? It makes no sense, right, So it's the
huge percentage population wasn't here. Also, just you know, Jews
who fled the Holocaust in the Second World War, okay,
(25:27):
you just got here in like nineteen fifty or you know,
nineteen forty whatever, they would be paying reparations, among many
other people, to the black community for slavery that has
been outlawed for one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I also always enjoy two other points. One, I'm a history, Nerd,
So are we just forgetting the hundreds of thousands of
people who died in the Civil War. I got an
ancestor who died fighting in the Civil War. He was
motivated in some way over the issue of slavery. Those
people's lives don't matter. Some of us would who are white,
(26:01):
carry the blood of people who fought in the Civil
War on both sides, and that's a whole historical mess
in and of itself. But those guys who actually gave
their lives, some of them to enslavery, don't count, right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think you'd have a very fair point if we're
going to do this. Historical ancestry is something you're responsible for.
You know, my family are Irish immigrants, and the Irish
side that got here into the North, it's very likely
they fought for the Union. So am I exempted right
to do you get exited?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Do you get credit because you had Union soldiers who
fought in your background. Here's the other thing, buck that
nobody really wants to talk about. Well, shouldn't Africa pay
a substantial amount of the reparations here? Since the slaves
were initially enslaved in Africa and Africans profited immensely off
the slave trade. It's as if there is no reparations
(26:50):
responsibility for that aspect of the slave trade.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I also think that, you know, you can look at
a the closest thing that we've had in this country
to something along the lines of there are also people
who by the way I would I would point out,
would would claim that overall, you know, the welfare state
that this country has been supporting for the last seventy
years or so is a form of uh, not even
just for the African American community, but across the board,
(27:17):
meant to repair historical injustices by for dispossessed communities. And
I mean, and you know, it's been a lot of money.
It's the point, right, there's already a lot of money
that is going to help people in this country. We
have a trillion dollar welfarest in this country. Beyond that, though,
you look at the Native American population, in the you know,
Indian population, I think it's in we're are we supposed
to call them now, the you know indigenous tribes. The
(27:39):
name keeps changing, which I think is just meant to
see who will be who. It's obedience training for the
rest of us. I might add, you know, you're not
You're not supposed to say Eskimo anymore because Eskimo is
only one tribe and they prefer, I think more generally Inuit.
Our Alaska listeners, we've got a great station up up
in Anchorage. They would know more about this than I do.
But oh, you know, if you say Eskimo, you're being rude.
(28:00):
I mean, we can't keep up with all this. What's
the name? Tough to know the name because no written language,
you know, not a lot of textual basis for this stuff.
But on the Native American reservations clay across the country,
this has been a program for a long time, and
there have been special incentives given to those communities, and
we as a country, we never even really look at
(28:21):
Native American reservations are a horrible state of affairs when
you look at things like domestic abuse, alcoholism, violent crime
per capita.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
These are not happy places. They're reservations.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And then we have people in Oklahoma listening who know
exactly about this. We've had the governor of Oklahoma, who
himself is a Native American, by the way, a member
of a tribe, Kevin Stitt. And this is not a
program that has been successful at all. Really when you
look at it, So why would we do these sort
of race based preference programs, especially after the Constitution has
(28:56):
already told us that an admissions it's bad, in redistribution
of wealth it's good.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I would also add historically, Buck, and this really gets
people all flummoxed. Remember, we were a colony of Great Bit,
Great Britain for the vast majority of time that there
was slavery in the United States. Why should the United
States be responsible from sixteen nineteen to seventeen seventy six
or seventeen eighty three, England should have to pay all
(29:24):
of the reparations to slaves in the United States because
England was the power here. We were colonies. We were
until we revolted. We didn't have democracy in this country.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
So I never hear.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Anybody say, Okay, well, England is on the hook. We
only had legal slavery in the United States for eighty
years and to your point, seventeen eighty three to eighteen
sixty three. To your point, Buck, we've since had the
welfare state, which to a large extent since the nineteen
sixties has existed with the idea being that we're going
to provide some form of compensation and redress to people
(29:58):
who were discriminated against. We've had the welfare state and
the civil rights era almost as long now in the
United States since we had slavery. So anyway, I just
love the history of it. Very few people actually dive
into it, which is why, on its face, eighty percent
of some aut Americans say this is a joke. Kamala
(30:19):
believes it should happen in twenty nineteen, and she's saying
now it should be studied still in twenty twenty four.
Again another swinging amiss.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well stated by the guys. If you have friends or
family that are having a hard time understanding what happened
this election, like they're genuinely confused over the loss, or
saying things like half the country must be racist or sexist,
maybe have them listen to Turkey talk. I saw this
statement circling on social media. Quote, you say you love me,
but then voted for someone who's only going to hurt
(30:47):
me and my family. My response is to tell them
you don't agree with that premise that it's kind of
hard to have a conversation when it begins with a
non starter.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Before we wrap our friend Lisa Booth, another one of
our great hosts and the Clambuck Feed with the Truth
with Lisa Booth podcast has some final thoughts going into
the holidays.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Hey guys, it's Lisa Booth, the host of the Truth
with Lisa Booth. Well, first of all, Happy Thanksgiving. I
hope you have the best time. But now what to
do with your liberal friends and family? I say you
blast the YMCA song, you come in doing the Trump dance.
Maybe you add the golf swing in for good measure,
just to add a little flare. Then you take your
(31:26):
Maga hat off and you spike it to the ground
and start beating your chest. The point is, we've been
called all sorts of things over the past few years.
We were called garbage, we were called Nazis, we were
called fascis, we were called irredeemable, we were called the
basket of deplorables. And guess what more Americans agree with
us than your liberal friends and family. So you don't
(31:48):
have to be a jerk about it. But you hold
your head up high. We were right and America lives
to see another day. So happy Thanksgiving. I hope you
have the best time.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show.
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