Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - Jan 21 2022

Big Ten cancels basketball game over positive covid test. C&B ask: Is it still 2020? British pundit Jeremy Clarkson under fire for Meghan Markle column where he wrote he hates her more than anyone and described what he'd like the public to do to her. Prince Harry’s book is fastest-selling nonfiction title since UK records began. Clay and Buck continue to disagree on the British monarchy. China admits population is in decline. Is China on the same path as 1980s Japan? Artist of MLK "penis" sculpture speaks out.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Encourage you to all go follow us on the podcast
as we roll into twenty twenty three. You can search
out my name Clay Travis, you can search out Buck Sexton.
Gonna be a lot of great podcast exclusives popping out

(00:21):
there from both Buck and myself as we continue into
twenty twenty three. Encourage all of you to make sure
that you don't miss a minute of all of that discussion.
A couple of different stories I want to get into
here in this hour that I think, frankly are crazy.
But Buck, I want to give you an update. Some

(00:41):
people say, I don't know why you guys still talk
about COVID, like there's some people out there who just
want to turn to page and pretend the last several
years didn't happen. It's because it's not over. I just
saw this headline during the break. They have canceled a
basketball game in the Big Ten Conference between Northwestern and

(01:04):
Iowa over. I'm over. I'm not sure what it's because
it's about basketball, But Clay right now is having a
little sip of tea, and I am furiously googling to
figure out what happened in the I know what the
Big ten is now because of Clay, and I am
filling the space and wait, oh, he's almost back. This happens,

(01:25):
This happened to me. When you do a live radio
sometimes you get this like attack of the tickle in
the throat. I would change topics, Clay, but I know
you want to come back to this big ten thing,
and it's COVID. Maybe I just got COVID there when
I was coughing. They're canceling a basket team in twenty
twenty three over a positive COVID test, which is absolutely crazy.

(01:51):
And I don't know how this ever officially ends. I
don't even know why you would be testing anyone or
COVID at this point in time, because most of you
out there would not go out and get tested for
the flu if you felt sick, and certainly you don't
get tested for a cold. What's going on ahead here?

(02:12):
If you had dinner plans with somebody. I mean, I
will say this honestly, because this has I'm at that
point where this has happened, and this has been going
on for a while. If someone says, hey, first of all,
no one I know is testing for COVID anymore anyway.
But even six months ago, if they said, hey, I
had to for some reason take a COVID test, it
actually came back positive. If I would ask them, then,
are you sick? You have like a lot of symptom. Yeah, right,

(02:34):
And if they said no, I feel okay, I'd be like,
all right, let's have dinner. I don't care because I'm
not worried about it. Because if somebody had a cold
but they weren't coughing and sniffling and likely highly viral,
you know, this is it's kind of crazy, Clay. We're
going back to the world that we lived in until
twenty twenty, where, yeah, if you have the flu and
you feel like you were hit by a truck and

(02:55):
you're like hacking and coughing, you stay away from people.
But if you have a minor cole the tiny sniffle,
you know, you kind of roll the dice unless you're
around elderly people or there's some greater concern. Yeah, no,
you're one hundred percent right. And we've had that conversation
internally in our house, like, hey, somebody said they don't

(03:15):
feel that well. They got a COVID positive test, but
it feels like like a little cold. I'd be like, yeah,
let's go to dinner. Like, I have no issue with you.
I have done all, so I'll just add mean, you know,
I tell everybody what I'm doing, so they know what
perspective you and I are bringing to this. Yeah, I
wouldn't even think twice about it. Now. A couple of
stories that I want to hit over the course of
this hour. Give you a heads up on them. This one,

(03:37):
I'm curious buck if you've paid attention to it because
it involves our good friend Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
Meghan Markle in particular, this guy Jeremy Clarkson is about
to get canceled over his comments about Meghan Markle. And
then the other thing that I think is fascinating and
this is an actually serious story. We'll talk about this

(03:57):
a little bit later. China's population has begun to decline,
and so all of this talk about China as the
next world great superpower. I would argue that data is
reflecting that China may have more in common with Japan
in the nineteen eighties than it does with the United
States in let's say the nineteen twenties or nineteen thirties,

(04:20):
as this nation began to take over the world. But
I want to talk about this Jeremy Clarkson thing because
he wrote a column. So if you don't know Jeremy Clarkson,
he is a what would you how would you describe him?
Like a British community He drives around in fancy cause
and says things that are witty in his British accents.

(04:42):
That's a good way of describing it. I mean, he
would be kind of a would you say, he's a
version of an older version, but kind of a version
of the Oh, who's the guy who does all the
uh that's British that does the show that's always offending people?

(05:04):
Whose name is escaping me right now? He did the
Golden Globes a few years ago. Was absolutely Office. Yeah, yeah,
the original Office. Yeah. You know the guy put you
up y yes, all right, like kind of like a
Ricky Gervais. If you don't know this guy, so he right.
You have never watched top Gear the show, I've I've

(05:26):
never watched it. Oh, it's a It was like a
global phenomenon for a while I saw. Because my older
brother loves cars, I'm new cars as a conveyance, so
I just want them to be comfortable and quiet, Like
I don't care. My older brother if you told him
that he could get behind an F one car and
go two hundred miles an hour, it would be like
Christmas for him. So he introduced me to to top Gear.

(05:48):
But Clay, I bring it up just because it was
they started making like top gear for different countries. It
became a there was one in the US. It became
a huge show. That's That's like, I don't know what
percentage of our audience would know Jeremy Clark's in which
is Trump. Why I'm trying to like kind of put
a perspective of who he is. I think a lot
of you would recognize him. I don't know how many
of you would have watched him, but he's on these

(06:08):
super popular shows one that you just mentioned, and he's
got a show on Amazon Prime and they are preparing
it appears to cancel him because he wrote an article
about he's British, how much Meghan Markle drove him crazy,
And here are some quotes from it. He said that

(06:29):
everyone his age thinks the same about Meghan Markle, and
they want to see her publicly shamed. Here's what he
said in his column. I hate her, not like I
hate Nicolas Sturgeon or Rose West. I hate her on
a cellular level. By the way, I don't know who
either of those people are, Nicolas Sturgeon or Rose West.
At night, this is a quote from his column. I'm

(06:51):
unable to sleep as I lie there, grinding my teeth
and dreaming of the day when she is made to parade,
nay get through the streets of every town in Britain
while the crowd's chant shame and throw lumps of excrement
at her. This was an opinion piece in the Sun.

(07:12):
It's most opinion most complaints ever levied, they say, from
an opinion column run in the Sun. He then apologized.
He said, I really am sorry all the way from
the balls of my feet to the follicles in my head.
This is me putting my hands up. Megan Markle spokesperson
says a public apology has been issued. What remains to

(07:35):
be addressed is his longstanding pattern of writing articles that
spread hate, rhetoric, dangerous conspiracy theories, and misogyny. Unless each
of his other pieces were also written in a hurry.
It's clear he is This isn't an isolated incident. They're
basically trying to get him canceled now over this, and

(07:57):
it's turned into a huge story, so less than one.
Never apologize if you say it, own it, especially if
you write it right. I think, what do you think
about the idea you heard? What was considered to be
the controversial things for people who do not watch Game
of Thrones? This is kind of a pretty strong reference

(08:20):
to what happened to Queen Searcy when she has to
walk down and people chant shame, shame, And that's probably
the most iconic example of something like this happening recently.
Cancel or not to cancel? What's going to happen with
Jeremy Clarkson? And what does it say about Meghan Markle
that she basically has claimed that she is powerless, but

(08:42):
now is trying to take down this incredibly powerful popular
British personality over his criticism of her. See, I can't
be somebody that's viewed in any ways as objective on
these matters, because not only do I think that Meghan
Markle to the degree that I am forced to read
about her, by the way, because if I don't, even

(09:03):
if I don't want to read about Megan Markle, there
will be headlines in whatever news site. I am trying
to read the news of the day. I'm trying to
get to things that matter, and there's you know, oh,
the latest you know, And I just I want to
beg everybody, not just in the UK, but around the world,
please stop clicking on these articles. It is a waste
of your brain space. It is a waste of your time.

(09:24):
The royal family in the UK just gonna say it,
waste of time. There have been some people emailing, by
the way that if I only understood the history of
monarchy in the UK more, I've seen a few of
those wrong. The monarchy is preposterous. People being born into
any role that an entire country is supposed to practically
worship and make them a head of state and head
of a church is an anachronism and an absurdity. The

(09:48):
fact that people have this Disneyland view of oh like
princes and princesses and kings and queens is ridiculous. We
fought a war so we never have to listen to
these people again, and yet here we are still talking
about it, so I just get fired up over it
should not. Harry's book is the fastest selling non fiction

(10:08):
book I believe in the history of his publisher, and
a ton of those people are buying it here in
the United States. I saw the data and I was like,
maybe this thing is gonna bomb. I think they sold
two million copies. They can't even keep it in stock anywhere.
I saw where people there's like four hundred people signed

(10:29):
up to get the library book. Have you seen like
the list I was reading the other day in some
of the American cities of how many people they're not
buying the book, but they're they're gonna wait eight years
to read it evidently, and you my faith in humanity here.
Uh this is this is really sad that people care
so much. I don't understand why they care at all.
These are trust fund babies who have nothing to teach

(10:53):
any of you. It is a total The Royal family
is a total waste of anyone's time, but particularly Americans.
I don't know why. Anywhere it's just all fantasyland. It's
all the disneylandification of the Royals and the whole thing.
It's it's absurd. Look, The Crown is a moderately entertaining show.
It's incredibly well made. I will give it that. But

(11:13):
that's that's pure entertainment, right. I'm not sitting there thinking
that this really matters people reading about this as news stories.
What the what was the Duchess of Essex or something?
What she called it? Sussex? Essex, one of those whatever,
it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant duchess is But so Jeremy Clarkson here,

(11:33):
call Megan Markle. What's her titles? Titles? Right? I think
she was the Duchess of Sussex. There we go. Yeah,
that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but I think they
again I know, wait, I'm obsessed. They stripped all the titles.
They don't have that anymore. But Jeremy Clarkson, who is
a super famous guy, if he just comes out and says,

(11:53):
you're getting a lot of criticism for your column where
admittedly you said you want her to have to walk
naked while getting you know, excrement thrown at her, what
do you have to say If he just said, yeah,
I hate her, I stick by my perspective on it.
Isn't he way better off? Yes? Then when he comes
out and says, I apologize from the tips of my

(12:14):
toes to the I would say I would say this too.
I mean what he said, I think Megan Markle is
horrible from what I don't know her, but everything about
her that I see in public and what he says.
But what he said was, you know, it was gross.
It was there was a line and it was a
little it was over the line. It was gross. I mean,
I don't think he had to say it that way.
That's just my opinion, though. Yeah, do I think that
he should be, you know, kicked out television life and

(12:37):
stripped every show and everything. No, Look, we all know,
we all know that there is an additional layer of
sensitivity with regard to anything having to do with Megan Markle.
So that means, you know, because if this was a
different royal. The British have a long history actually of
you know, saying, especially the tabloid newspapers, some pretty rough
stuff about their own monarchy. But with Megan Markle, it's

(12:59):
a special I think if he had just made that, hey,
I want her to have a Queen Cercy style walk
of shame from Game a Throne, he could have said
it in a way that would be totally What he
said was gross. I mean, he didn't have to go
to that point, but he was obviously trying to get
a rise out of people. Yeah, but so why not
just say, yeah, I meant it. I still hate her? Well,
I would if I were him, I'd say, look like
I mean it in the sense that I agree with

(13:21):
what I with a sentiment. But I could have worded
it a little differently. But to your point, Clay, the
moment you start to walk back at all with any
of this stuff, then the piranhas just come after you.
Right then it's just blood in the water. The people
who defend you will abandon you the moment you apologize,
and then you're just left out there floundering on your own.
When it's a written column, I think you just own

(13:42):
it and say, look, maybe I was more aggressive than
I should have been because I hate her so deeply,
But I stand by every word. Why. I mean, that's
what I would say if I were him, If you
stick by it. What is interesting about and I'm not
this is now on the on Prince Harry, What is
interesting about a trust fund? Baby? Second tier? You know,

(14:06):
monarchy and waiting who writes a book. I don't understand
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such an interesting question. I think I'll read this. I'll
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thought about that quite a lot, because how do you
sell two million copies. It's one thing for people to
read things for free, right like, oh, this is in

(14:26):
front of me, I'm gonna pick it up and look
at it in a newspaper line or whatever. But to
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of dollars that people are going to give of their
own money to read this Prince Harry story. Why are
they doing that? Can I just tell you the good news?
I think real quick, I think there's good news from this.
I think he's going to bring about the I think
this whole thing is going to collapse within the next

(14:47):
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(15:52):
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books Spare is the fastest selling nonfiction book since UK
Records began. This is the fastest selling nonfiction book in
the history apparently of the United Kingdom. I am seeing here, Clay,

(16:13):
You and I sit across the table of this one.
We agree on a lot of things. This one, I
don't see it. Why does anyone care? I think that
so many people are invested in Prince Harry's story because
of Princess Diana. This is my theory on why people

(16:35):
are so obsessed with this. I would love to see
the demo on the people who are buying this book,
but I think it's overwhelmingly women. And I think it
is overwhelmingly women who loved Princess Diana, and they have
felt invested in Harry's life ever since they saw him
as this sad, bereaved, broken twelve year old boy walking

(17:00):
behind her hers back in nineteen ninety seven. So that
was one of the most watched television events ever in
the same way that everybody cared about JFK Junior and
his sister, but JFK Junior in particular because they saw
him walk out and salute his dad's casket back in
the nineteen sixties. I think people have felt invested in

(17:21):
his childhood and his young adulthood ever since. Then, and
that is the impetus behind why so many are buying
this book. You buy it, I think that's my theory.
I'm not buying it, but I know that's my theory
on why this thing is selling. I think your theory
is correct. I'm just not going to add anything. It's
a fascinating thing. You're so disgusted by this, totally disgusted by.

(17:45):
It's a fascinating thing to renounce. To renounce your title
so you can have a private life where you're gonna
try to be as famous and rich as possible based
on your title. I'm sorry, I think it's a little
bit absurd, but you know that's me. I'm a grumpy
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show rolling through the Tuesday edition the program. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. One of the major
geopolitical battles that we have been in the midst of

(19:12):
for really, I would say, the last decade, and it
has become in earnest over the last five years that
we've realized some of us realized it sooner than others. Oh,
those guys in China, Yeah, they're not really our friends.
They want to dominate, diminish, and destroy all legitimacy of

(19:32):
the United States. That's the truth. And there's a lot
of people out there that still refuse to acknowledge that,
many of them in our corporate larger universe, because the Disneys,
the Nikes, the Hollywood Studios, all of these companies are
so reliant upon Apple the money that they make from China,
that they refuse to be willing to speak truth to power.

(19:57):
And so there's been this idea out there for some
time China may invade Tuan. China is clearly intent on
becoming the largest economy in the world, and they're going
to do it, and there's nothing in the United States
can do against it and buck Over the last year
or so, suddenly we've had I think a little bit
more reality sweep in as it pertains to China. First

(20:20):
of all, their economy reportedly, and again you have to
always kind of say reportedly, because these are Chinese numbers.
It's not as if they have independent media. They've been
cooking the books for thirty years, that's right. So they
say that their economy grew three percent, which probably means
it declined. Frankly, if they're saying it only grew three percent,
and they're admitting this is the first year that their

(20:42):
population has declined in over sixty years, which probably means
their population started declining five or six or eight years ago,
would be my guests. But they're now admitting that their
economy is growing slow and that their population has declined.
And if you look at the demographs going forward for China,
I think there is an argument to be made that

(21:04):
China now is a lot like Japan in the nineteen
eighties that everybody looked around and said, oh my goodness, Japan,
if it keeps growing at this rate, is going to
be bigger than the United States. They're a threat. We
talked about this before that great Michael Crichton movie Rising Sun.
I read it in like the sixth grade. It's a
little racy. Oh yeah, I actually saw I was reading yesterday.

(21:25):
Remember the naked the woman who gets murdered and is naked,
and Rising Sun, the supermodel she just downside here she
was actually died. I just reading her obituary, I think
yesterday in either the Wall Street Journal of the New
York Times. She was one of the nineteen nineties era supermodels.
She was in the Rising Sun movie. She was the

(21:47):
woman who was killed early spoiler alert in the Rising Sun.
By the way, Buck, somebody sent me a message and said,
I was just planning on watching Gladiator and then you
spoiled it for me when we were talking about them.
No one. I have to say that is one of
the funniest if it weren't true, is one of the

(22:09):
funniest emails that I've ever seen, because it raises the
question how long do you have to say spoiler alert? Right? Like,
certainly if the new Star Wars movie comes out, you
have an obligation to say spoiler alert, But like, what's
the I think that by the end of this, if
it's a show, by the end of the season, no,
there's no more spoiler alerts. And I think if it's

(22:30):
a movie, by the end of the movie run in theaters,
no more spoiler alerts. I think I think we gotta
keep this tight. I don't think we could let this
drag on forever. You know, Yeah, you can't be saying, hey,
you know, spoiler alert, Darth Vader is Luke's father. You know.
I hope I didn't ruin Star Wars or people out
I knew what happened to Fredo before I saw a
Godfather Part two? Right, that's no one's fault, that's just

(22:52):
I came along later in life. Did you watch The
White LOADUS? Yet? I have the I have there's a
good god what White Loadus? Season two? Which I liked
better than whiteload of season one, although they're both like cringey,
but entertaining has a really good Godfather because it's said
in sicily like there's a good godfather interplay. Well, now

(23:13):
I probably will check it out. I will say I
watched the first episode of during Lockdown because I was
in New York City and it was a hellish and
there was nothing to do except eat, get fat, and
play video games and watch Netflix. That remembered they shut down, Gene,
I would have gone insane When I visited your apartment
and you were like, I did the show sitting right here.

(23:34):
I was like, I came back. I think I told
you then too, but I was like, I would have
gone completely insane if I was an expensive like living
in an apartment it was an expensive sell in midtown
Manhattan that I was dealing with that whole thing, and
because all of it, you couldn't go to the roof.
They shout, My building had a beautiful roof with views
of it. You've been to it, We've hung out for it. Yeah,
they shut down the roof. It's outside. They just shut

(23:56):
it down. Everything was shut down anyway. But I did
start playing video games, which I had given up for.
There are certain things in life that I you know,
I I may or may not have smoked a little
weed in college, gave it up so I could go
join the CI. Haven't touched it since. Like, there are
certain things that I've cut out of my life. I
cut video games out of them. There's anything. I think
video games in the right proportion can be a lot
of fun and a good way to distress. I'm not

(24:17):
I'm not down on video games, but I was spending
I was getting a little too good at like FIFA
and Call of Duty, and I was getting to the
point where, like I was talking smack twelve year olds
on the other side of the world, random people, like
like you were playing not against the computer, but random people.
Oh yes, yes, And you know occasionally you tell you know,
people talk smack to me. I would talk smack back.

(24:39):
I'm like, I probably don't you know this person. I
don't know if they're they're forty or twelve. Real really
funny to think about you talking trash with like twelve
year old kids during FIFA soccer mat. You may or
may not have one of those headsets on too. We
don't have to go there right now in detail. Good
point being I started playing this game called The Last
of Us, which all the show just came out. Yeah,

(24:59):
the show, that's why, That's what I'm thinking of. I
actually watched, and this is there are the shows that
I tell Carrie. I'm like, I just make a little
separate bucket. I'm like, you will hate this. I will
watch this without you. And that was as soon as
she goes what's it about? I was like, post apocalyptic
future zombies based on a fungus. She was like, I
literally she cares about that as much as I care
about the British royal family. Um, but it's it's by

(25:22):
by the directed by the guy who did Chernobyl, which
I thought was even with it. There was good, really
well done. There are a few issues with it, but
it's really well done. And I will say I have
I can't think of a video game that has been
made into a good series before this. So far, the
first episode was pretty good, pretty solid. I saw that
five million people watched it. I knew nothing about it

(25:45):
other than I read that it was a video game.
I haven't. I didn't know that, So I'm not I'm
not like a weirdo all all alone here. There are
others who like it. It's got a very Walking Dead
vibe to it. So if you like The Walking Dead,
you will like The Last of Us. No, it did
really well, and so the sun angle tying all this
back in I wonder buck based on the China saying

(26:06):
they only grew at three percent, and we've been talking
about whether they're gonna invade Taiwan. And also now the
population declining India is set to become, if it hasn't
already the largest population in the world of any country.
How much of China and all of their cockiness and
their bristling is actually fake, you know, sort of like uh,

(26:32):
drunk muscles that you you know somebody you're muscle a
big game beer muscles. And in reality, if you look
behind the scenes, China is actually every single day becoming
weaker now. So so there's it's interesting and I know
there was this guy who had been at stratfor who
just did a big podcast. Well he did Joe Rogan's podcast,

(26:53):
but it's getting a lot of attention. Have you seen
this guy and his whole I'm not leaving his name
out on purpose, I just forget, but he'd been at
four Analysts and his thing is China is like, we're
all worried about China. And he says that I think
he overstates the case of just personally of how weak
China is at this point, but there is that there's
an interesting argument that China is, which is what you

(27:14):
and I are talking about now, on a downward trajectory
a lot of ways, and it is because of a
couple of things that people don't often think about, but
if you look at it with a macrohistorical perspective, are
incredibly important demographics and geography. The demographics of China are
it has far too many males. Yep. The chin was

(27:36):
a disaster, absolutely disastrous. And China has a number of
states the literal L I T T O R A
L right literal states, the Philippines, Japan, the Korean peninsula
that hammeted on one side, and India too obviously it's
it's southwest and Russia to its north. So geographically and

(28:00):
demographically there's a lot of pressure on China. And if
anyone there's a book, The Revenge of Geography by Kaplan
that I highly recommend. It sounds boring, it's actually fascinating.
Like the title sounds boring, but it's really really good.
China could have a lot of big problems ahead of it.
But then you get into is China I think China does.
By the way, is it more dangerous on decline in

(28:22):
decline right in the short term in the next ten
or fifteen years, is that when they, because of the
beer muscle theory, decide that they're going to try to
show that they're stronger, they're actually weak. They're trying to
pretend to be. I want I want Clay to give
a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations or maybe
a Davos which is going on right now, on the
beer muscles theory of Chinese relations because I think, you know,

(28:44):
China Taiwan relations. I think it could be worthwhile. I
think it could be something to keep an eye on
that if we could get through the next ten or
fifteen years that they are actually in significant decline and
if you want to draw that historical analogy, which is
why we were mentioning the Rising Sun for people who
don't remember it. Even the great movie Diehard Buck in

(29:07):
the late eighties, Remember that was a Japanese company. Japan
was this financial and technological power that there. There were
real people were concerned that Japan was going to just
buy up and control the United that's rights, and they
kept saying, hey, if you don't want Japan to buy it,
don't put it for sale, right, I mean, they were
buying up all these incredible American assets and then basically

(29:29):
they've collapsed. Their demographics as destiny. They are aging faster
than almost any country in the world. They're also not
having children. Did you read Tom Clancy Debt of Honor
of one of the Clancy Grades. Clancy and Crichton were
the two authors who were made me think at a
young age, I like, you know, I like books for fun, right, yes,
fourth fifth grade. They were the two that I was like, oh,

(29:51):
this is awesome, you know, I got really into it.
And Debt of Honor is about Japan going nuclear and
essentially recreating some aspects of you know, imperial Japan from
the Second World War with seizing US territories like Guam
and for everyone, it does end spoiler alert, although that
was from twenty some odd years ago. It ends with

(30:11):
some guy riding a plane right into a joint session
of Congress and essentially decapitating the entire US government That
was before nine to eleven, by the way, that was
written in the nineties. Yes, So I just want everybody
out there to be thinking about that as we get
engage in this battle with China. How much of China's
public posturing is false bluster based on the real data

(30:36):
that they are seeing behind the scenes of their economy
collapsing and the demographics not being good, And how much
of that tied in with their sudden abandonment buck of
their COVID strategy, which the Faucies of the world based
our entire COVID strategy on. Just something to think about
in a big picture ways. As that data continues to

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dot Com. So Clan and I talked yesterday about the
MLK sculpture that was unveiled at the Weak Again. It
was MLK Day yesterday and we shared our thoughts are

(32:07):
artistic opinion on this purely on the aesthetics of it all.
We were not alone. A lot of people out there
thought to themselves. You seeing what I'm seeing, because what
I'm seeing is not a thing that you would expect
to see in a ten million dollars sculpture. Just saying.
And the artists. Hank Willis Thomas has now spoken out

(32:30):
about this new MLK statue in Boston, and here's his
take on the takes out there. Play you put out
in the world. You can't control what people see, you know.
I think about the Rorshak test that inclot tests you
know what you see says a lot about what you
see about the world. There are no plans to modify
or change it. No, what'd you do that? I fast?
I mean by who? Because this is a piece that

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was selected by the people of Boston. This is not
a Hank just came and put something. Thousands of people
worked on this, thousands of people actually put it together,
and no one saw this, I would say, perverse perspective,
and I mean to bring that to the king's legacy
and to dictate the making of art and the celebration
of them, that's really strange for me. Um, everybody that

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I know saw it right away. I'm just gonna say,
I don't know anybody who looked at it Now, to
be fair, there are different angles, but at a certain
angle you look at this statue and you go, that's
not what the statue should look like. Look, I don't
spend a lot of time looking for penises and artwork, Like,
I don't think this is a problem that I regularly have. Like,
we're getting very freud on the show. Now we're well,

(33:36):
I mean, ego, super ego all done? Do you remember
the great shows, super great movie super Bad? We need
to pull that audio where Jonah Hills. This is one
of the funniest comedies I think of the early two thousands.
But Jonah Hills character is like it's totally normal to
draw penises, like like something like that. There's a great
scene where like So he had this character a habit

(33:56):
of just drawing penises all the time in classrooms, and
he got trouble for it when he was in high school.
I think, I don't think that every single person who
was seeing a gigantic penis in the Martin Luther King
sculpture in Boston is seeing them in every single piece
of artwork that they do now. I also agree with

(34:17):
this artist. Once it's up, I don't think you can modify,
not look there there is I'm gonna go I'm gonna
go a little four dhs here for a second. This
is now the most famous sculpture in America that everybody
is talking about. I'm just throwing this out there, you know,
because it you know, with them. I don't think it
was intentional, I'll say that, but I do think because

(34:39):
of the breuhaha around this, people are looking at it
and they're saying, oh, interesting, I know about this statue now,
So at least at that level it it works. But
you know, as Freud allegedly but actually did not say,
sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. You know. Sometimes
artwork people view it a certain way because that's what's there,

(35:01):
or that's their perspective on it. I would also say,
because I was talking about this yesterday, how did people
not see this when it was modeled? I think probably
the model didn't have the sense of like the statu
let me just get taken away from something that everybody
would know. The Statue of Liberty, if you just saw

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a small model of it is impressive. But it's the
majesty of the Statue of Liberty that makes it really
an edifust that people remember right, Like, if the Statue
of Liberty were only fifteen feet tall, it would not
be iconic. Right. It's the fact that it's two hundred
feet tall or whatever the heck the Statue of Liberty
is that makes it that way. I wonder how much

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of seeing this sculpture when it was a model and
you're looking at it thinking, oh, okay, like you're gonna
be able to see it all at once. The difference
is when you see something that is that substantial this model,
it looks totally different on that size that it would
have in the model, and they didn't really know what
it was going to look like until it was actually unveiled.

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It was It's quite a sculpture, I'll say. I'll say
that it is quite a sculpture for sure, Clay. There's
a descentis NHL situation that I was hoping you would.
I saw this playing a bit about in the next
hour we could talk about it. And there's also a
lot of people weighing in on Tom Brady's future. So

(36:29):
there's watch one second of the NFL playoffs over the weekend.
I did not six games. You didn't see a second
of it, not a second, not a single second, I
was very deep in a book on thought reform and
psychology of totalism in Maoist China. However, which was this
that point. It's not on my list.