April 13, 2024 • 36 mins
Trump releases abortion statement. South Carolina women's basketball coach Dawn Staley tells OutKick reporter Dan Zaksheske she supports men who identify as women playing women's basketball. Eclipse Guy, Producer Greg, checks in from near the Canadian border.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show
Monday Edition. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Awesome weekend here went up to wrestle Mania with the
three Travis boys and my wife. Absolutely phenomenal time. Buck,
(00:22):
I know had a fantastic weekend as well. We're going
to hit the ground run and we have got a
ton to discuss with all of you as we sit
less than crazy to say it, less than seven months
now until election Day. We're gonna go up to Pennsylvania
with our friend Sean Parnell. Get the absolute latest there.
He is a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
At two thirty, dan Zach Sheesky, who asked, I can't
(00:45):
believe this is real in many ways, but Dawn Staley
is the women's national championship coach of South Carolina. She
said that she believes men who are pretending to be
women should be able to play women's college basketball. We're
going to talk about that. It is absolutely bonkers. I
cannot believe the crazy world that we live in where
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that is an absolute argument that anyone would make who
actually is involved in the world of sports or women's
athletics for that degree. We'll talk about all that and more,
but off the top, we told you that this was
coming and we had a discussion about it. I think
it was last week, maybe it was the week before.
Trump has been teasing and letting people know that he
was going to release his official position on abortion. Now
(01:29):
I'm going to play the cuts from Trump that came
out this morning. I think what's important about this, and
I think Buck would agree. Biden's in trouble, which is
why today he's going to try to re emphasize his
student loan forgiveness. That is, he's going to attempt that
even though the Supreme Court is said he can't do
it through executive authority. He's desperate. He's behind on the border,
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he's behind on crime, he's behind on inflation in the economy.
Everything basically is a disaster for him. He's got two issues,
abortion and what he believes is is the sanctity of
American democracy. So the democracy thing, I think is increasingly
flailing and not working, because when you try to put
your chief political opponent in prison for the rest of
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his life and take away his freedom. It's hard to
argue that democracy is really at stake. I think that's
cut back against him, so he's down to abortion. The
Democrat Party is basically driven by single women, who overwhelmingly
vote for Democrats. Men overwhelmingly now vote for Republicans. Married
women more likely to vote for Republicans as well. Democrats
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have become the party of single women, and single women
are very focused on abortion. In the aftermath of the
overturning of Roby Wade, people have been asking what is
Trump's position going to be in twenty twenty four. He
now has released it. Let's go ahead and play that
and then we will react. Here's Trump telling you what
he believes should happen with abortion.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Under my leadership, the Republican Party will always support the
creation of strong, thriving, and healthy American families. We want
to make it easier for mothers and families.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
To have babies, not harder.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That include supporting the availability of fertility treatments like IVF
in every state in America. Like the overwhelming majority of Americans,
including the vast majority of Republicans, Conservatives, Christians, and pro
life Americans, I strongly support the availability of IVF for
couples who are trying to have a precious baby.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
What could be more beautiful or better than that?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Today, I'm pleased that the Alabama legislature has acted very
quickly and passed legislation that preserves the availability of IVF
in Alabama. They really did a great and fast job.
The Republican Party should always be on the side of
the miracle of life and the side of mother's father,
their beautiful babies, and that's what we are.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
IVF is an.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Important part of that, and our great Republican Party will
always be with you in your quest for the ultimate
joy in life.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So there's that part one.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah, right, yeah, So that's on the IVF side of this,
and there's there's the politics and the ethics of of
both of these. He's going to talk about abortion in
a second, where Trump will I mean, uh, we'll play
that for you. But on the on the IVF point,
Alabama has already acted on this. People trying to have babies, uh,
and and trying to bring more life into this world
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is a overwhelmingly popular thing.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Politically, the idea of making it harder for people to
have babies is a huge I mean that is a
huge loser.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You're even going to lose a.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Lot of the pro life contingent if you say that
you don't want to you know. And also some of
the people I think I see online who take a
very firm line on the IVF issue, I just okay,
I mean, then they should be the one who get
to tell people that survive cancer you never get to
have kids. Sorry, I know, you don't get to have
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child cancer survivor you don't get to have children. If
someone's willing to say that that, I that I'm more
are open to their I don't like. No, I'm not
saying there aren't you know, perhaps procedures in ways that
it could be more ethically done or there. But the
notion of like you shouldn't be able to use modern
science to try to allow people to have babies. We
need Elon is right on this. By the way, I've
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been hammering this to back.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We need more babies in this country. Carry it. I
we we are trying, you know, we are being patient,
We are trying.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
We want to have children, we want to have a
few children if we can, and uh, we need more babies.
I mean, so this is the we need more babies.
As Americans, we need more babies as a species life.
We want more life people, and we want to encourage
people to have babies. We want to encourage people to
uh to have you know, the biggest family they think
they can possibly have, if that's what they want. But
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you know, for people that want that, and so look,
this is just because they were running with this and
it got it got al the member, it got a
little scary for a moment there politically where they were saying, oh,
Republicans are opposed, I mean opposed to IVF is like
defund the police.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Love you know, you agree for the for the for.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
The right wing Christians in the conservative sort of talk space.
If that's going to be your position, we're going to
lose every election for the rest of my life, right,
I mean, if that's how if you're opposed to play.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
For killing time babies being born by people who desperately
want to have babies. Is the dumb I think your
I think your analogy is going it's it's defund the
police level.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Dumb.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yes, it's you're just whatever you think you're just gonna lose.
And then the communists who want to murder babies up
until nine months and want to encourage, you know, women
to have eight abortions before they even get married. If
they get married, you know, then they'll be in charge
of everything and they'll set all the law. So that's
a horrible idea. Okay, now let's get to Trump on
the abortion issue specifically. This was the other SoundBite we
had for everyone play it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
My view is now that we have abortion where everybody
wanted it. From a legal standpoint, the states will determine
by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they
decide must be the law of the land, in this case,
the law of the state. Many states will be different,
many will have a different number of weeks, or some
will have more conservative than others, and that's what they
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will be at the end of the day. This is
all about the will of the people. You must follow
your heart or in many cases your religion or your faith.
Do what's right for your family, and do what's right
for yourself, do what's right for your children, do what's
right for our country, and vote. So important to vote.
Like Ronald Reagan, I am struggling in favor of exceptions
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for rape, incest and life of the mother. You must
follow your heart of this issue. But remember you must
also win elections to restore our culture and in fact,
to save our country.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Now, this is what I said on the show. I
thought he should do because even if I understand that
there are people who are advocating, I think Clay, this
was your position. If you take off the table anything
beyond whatever is sixteen weeks or something that's better than
what you have in most states right now, if you
go federal, right, if he has to go with something federal,
(08:00):
then at least you're limiting you know, it's not letting
the perfect be the enemy of the good. But I've thought,
and this is what Trump has taken here as the
position the whole pro so I mean I've been, you know,
working in at some capacity or pushing for the pro
life movement for twenty some odd years now of my life,
and the whole pro life movement. The big thing was, well,
(08:22):
Roe is as a total travesty. It's a moral travesty
and a legal travesty. So we have to get rid
of of Roe.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Roe v.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Wade.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That happened happened because of Trump judges, and it happened
because the basis of the overturning right was just this
isn't a federal issue. There's no basis in the Constitution
for a right to abortion, So to make it a
federal issue right after that, I think is legally and
politically problematic. And I also think it's a loser, right.
(08:49):
I think that if you do that, you're going to
because you can't have a Republican president running and saying, well,
you know, abortion for the first three months, let's get
that codified. I'm fine with that, whereas now Trump can
least say it's a state's issue. I think this largely
takes it off the table for Biden. Not entirely, but
it certainly takes a lot of the heat out of
the ad they're going to run in swing states.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Well, this is really what I think you're right. I
think you're right about politically, this is a strung I'm
focused on the politics of it. This is a strong
position because it is going to be basically, the democratic
process should decide, and this is a state level issue.
And if you want to live in a state with
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less abortion rights, like many of the Red states are,
then you can make a choice to live there. And
if you want to go to a blue state where frankly,
you now have more expansive abortion rights than you did
before Roe v. Wade, then you have that right as well.
And I think this is going to be a hard
position to attack Trump on. I also think Trump was
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already hard to attack on this issue. If you'll remember Buck,
and you remember it certainly very well. The reason he
took Mike Pence was because people didn't believe that he
wasdmitted enough to the pro life movement. Then he delivers
roe v. Wade's overturning, which is the biggest pro life
win in the last fifty years.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I mean, for any president, the biggest win of the
pro since Roe v. Wade.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's the biggest win that the pro life movement has had.
So Trump can say I delivered for you. And now
this is a state level issue. The reality is there
aren't the votes to make this a federal issue right now.
It would take I think this is one where Nikki
Haley was right sixty Republicans in the Senate in order
to try to put in place a position, not to
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mention having the House.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's not a reality at this point.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And I think that the movement, the pro life movement
in states that are reader.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They're in a place.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Look, the left use incrementalism on this for a very
long time, and they've always used the extremes to try
to try to sort of beat people in the opposition down.
It's always, you know, they always say rape incests, life
of the mother, and then you say, okay, but you know,
then you have women showing up at rallies with I've
had fifteen abortions, aren't I you know, amazing, Like that's
not rape, incest, life of the mother. Yeah, we're actually
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so there's always been this hiding of the of the
true intent and hiding of what the pro choice movement
stands for, which has been a massive amount of unnecessary
and and and just heartbreaking death over a series of decades.
And so I think that you can have now people
can see that living in a state where you know,
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let's say, you know, if it's a state that for example,
has just the exceptions the Trump lays out, it's okay,
like it's not going to be the end of the world.
If more people are having babies, that actually is a
good thing in that state. And in states where they're
going to keep pushing abortion, abortion, abortion, you know, I
think that We'll see over time how perceptions of these
things start to change a bit, and the extremism of
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a state. I brought up Colorado because even before Roe
was overturned, you know, Colorado passed this law, and it's
very explicit. Actually, abortion anytime, any reason, any period of
the pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, no restrictions of any kind whatsoever, very explicit in law.
And there are other states, I mean New York and
California basically have a similar approach to it.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think, sorry to cut you off, but I think
what Trump hit on here was and then we didn't play.
I don't think the full cut of this, but he
really went after third trimester abortions. And the data reflects
that over eighty percent of Americans opposed third trimester abortions,
over eighty percent. That is now Democrat orthodoxy, which is
why we talked about Bill Clinton. It used to be
safe legal and rare. That was the position. You support
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abortion rights, but safe legal and rare. Now it is
if you want to have an abortion up to basically
birth and sometimes after, you can do it. That is
a radical proposition. And I think Trump can make that
case and people will understand it. More coming from him
than they would others. So I think this was a
smart strategic statement that he made today. Obviously, some of
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you may disagree. You're welcome to call in eight hundred
and two two two eight a two, But I think
if you look at the board and what Biden arguments
he can make, this really restricts.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
The arguments that he's able to make to the extent
that he can make any.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Of it also him it leaves him some latitude too, Yeah,
which is one of the other things about this position
that he's taken, which again I advocated a week ago,
this is what Trump should say. So obviously I think
he's done the right thing under the circumstances. He's a politician,
he's not the pope, right, I mean, he's he's having
to maneuver, and I think under the circumstances he's made
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he's made the right move. I wish he hadn't used
the term abortion rights, but look again, if you're ninety
five percent there on something, or you know, or ninety
five percent correct, I don't want to get too down
on the weeds and and and pickett small things, but
this is this is very important because for anybody who
wants to have a culture of life. This leaves it
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Speaker 4 (15:32):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I'm it's
always a funny thing when I have to text play
because I'm like, your stuff is now spilling over into
my feed, meaning meaning the sports things people are it's
it's it's not sports news, it's national news. Right, It's
not a Oh, if you really care about this league
or this this particular sport, you're gonna know about it.
(15:53):
It's everywhere. It's front page. It's and we had another
one of these over the weekend. It was an OutKick reporter,
correct play was a reporter for OutKick.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Who's going to be on with us at at two
thirty to talk about the blowback from this?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
And there was the final women's Final four and then
South Carolina beat Iowa right to win the NCAA Women's Championship.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So I am learning that as I read it. So
that's good, yay.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But I did see I did see the question, and
this is for what Dawn Staley, right, the Women's Carolina's
women's coach, one of Clay's OutKick guys, asked the question
about women men who should play for whom? And this
is what it sounded like, playing.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Coach you just talked about. You know what a massive
weekend this is obviously for women's basketball, women's sports in general.
One of the major issues facing women's sports right now
is the debate discussion topic about the inclusion of transgender
athletes biological males in women's sports. I was wondering if
you would tell me your position on that issue.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Damn, you got deep one meeting.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
I I'm on the I mean, I'm on the the
opinion of of if you're a woman, you should play
have you conceived yourself a woman and you want to
play sports or vice versa, you should be able to play.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Oh, I m clay, I know you're you're gonna let's
let's tear into this in a minute. But I just
she almost got it right when she said if you're
a woman, you should play. And then she said if
you consider yourself a woman, you should.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
See Yeah, And he also followed up and she specifically
said yes when asked if trans Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Let's let's get the follow up.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
We'll come and play that file we come back, because
this was rocketing all over the internet over the weekend.
I even saw it, and uh, we'll dive into it
in just a moment and we'll get into this discussion.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
This is something like thirty million people have watched that
video clip, by the way, which is just kind of
gives you a sense of how how widely that was distributed.
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can congratulations in South Carolina, congratuate congratulations to the Iowa
women probably going to be the most watched women's basketball
game ever. It's good that we can say women's basketball
game ever, because if Don Staley gets her way, soon,
women's basketball may be made up of men. Here is
(19:14):
the second part to follow up from Dan Szski zach Zsky,
who is at OutKick, did this question listen as well?
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Do you think transgender women should be able to participate?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That's the question I wanted to ask.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
I mean, you want to ask, so I'll give you that.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
Yes, So now the barnstorm of people are going to
flood my timeline and be a distraction to me one
of the biggest uh days of our game.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I really am okay.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So buck your reaction as I obviously come out of
the world as sports, but your reaction as just a
guy who understands that biology is real when.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You hear that's probably to be fair.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Don Staley maybe the highest paid woman in all of
college athletics. She's close to it. She's making millions of
dollars a year. She's now won three national championships for
South Carolina for the game Cocks. Your reaction when you
hear this, well, you know.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
My.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Question always with this is she can't believe what she's saying,
because if we were to play out the experiment, she
would know in many ways better because she works in
you know, basketball and at a high level that if
if you put a single like six foot I would
even say like six four six ' five guy who
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can play some ball.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Who can play above the rim and is a good
jumping athlete. You know, there's a different caligard.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Because this is what people say, like, oh, well, what if,
like you know the point, it's some guy who's like
a five foot three couch potato who can't play basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
They're like, well, is you gonna dominate? No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But it's what we see in other sports where people
who were competing against men as a man and then
they go, oh, I can just run the table and
be all the women in this and they do because of.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Biology and because biology is real.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
She has to know that, right, he has to know
if you took a single Honestly, if you took a
D three male basketball player and put him in the
women's NCAA D one, he would he would score more
points than Kaylyn Clark. I don't know what else to say.
He'd be the best player to have ever played in Okay,
With that said, is she saying it Clay because she
believes it? Or is she saying it because she doesn't want?
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I mean, the trans agenda, you know, apparatus out there
is so insane and so nasty to people over this.
Did she say it because she doesn't want to have
lunatics waiting outside of her house shouting at her and
screaming at her in restaurants?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
You know what I mean? Is it just she's scared?
Is she scared? Or does she believe it?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I think she doesn't believe it, but she's in a
cult and she feels compelled to claim that she believes it,
which I think is probably it's kind of a third
option then, yeah, which is kind of the worse. And
I'll tell you why I'm believe that, Buck, And let
me take a step back. There are some people out
there who know nothing about sports, and they want to
believe that men and women are basically the same and
that biology is all made up, and their theory is
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that there is no difference between men and women. I
disagree with them, but that is their worldview, and they
don't actually engage in sports. Don Staley is on the
record Buck as saying that the reason one of the
reasons why South Carolina's women are so good is because
they practice against men who are intramural players in college
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at South Carolina, not male athletes. You know, on scholarship
just dudes like fraternity guys.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, I mean, you know, hold on, hold on us
intramural college basketball players.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know some of us have got some handle play.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
All right, Yes, well look I played intermural basketball. But
I think it's important for people to understand this. These guys,
a intramural men's team at South Carolina, would crush the
South carol a line of women in a one on
one game, even playing with a girls basketball, which she
remember is smaller, so it's easier to make shots, it's
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easier to has She knows that she's on the record
buck as saying one reason they're good is because they
compete against these guys and sometimes he she has to
call them off because they can't even get the ball
across half court.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, so this is a big So I think she knows.
This is why I'm so disappointed in her answer.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
She knows that what she is saying would lead to
the destruction of women's sports, But she is so committed
to the lgbt QI a cult that she is willing
to say things that she knows is untrue to stay
in their good favor, which I think is the ultimate
sign personally of a scoundrel, right if you know something
(23:48):
is untrue, like Bacary's what's a guy's name? Macar Butcary
Sellers on CNN tweeted at me. I'll read it came
at me. I don't even know who this guy is, Like,
I've never met him, and he just out of nowhere
tweeted at me this morning. So you guys know, I
think Clay Travis needs to realize Dawn Staley is literally
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better than him at life. Objectively, she's great, and you've
been relegated to a troll who must attempt to stoke
culture wars, Clay, have you ever asked yourself what will
I be remembered for? The answer right now is a
bad haircut on Fox? Every so often? Do better, my guy,
And look, that's a personal attack. He comes at me,
(24:33):
And my response is not that your.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Ego needs any help, but like, you know, you're doing
pretty well, Like this is a little it's like not
the guy I'd come after in this way, Like honestly,
Bacari Sellers a third tier CNN commentator, Like I know
the CNN hierarchy, but anyway, fine, but.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, my point on it is, I just come back
to Bacary.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And my response is just I want you guys to
hear it because I think and I said it, Bacary,
do you believe men should be able to play women's
and win women's championships?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's a simple question. You can personally attack me all
you want. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yes or no.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Answer it, and he won't. And he won't answer it
because any man who has ever played sports, and any woman, certainly,
I think out there in our audience knows that men
are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. That doesn't mean
that women have less value in life. Okay, you're not
trying to equate the value of respective sexes. Right, None
(25:31):
of us would exist if not for the incredible fact
that women can carry babies and do so for nine
months and are undefeated so far as I know. Buck
when it comes to delivering children, so far as I know,
no man has ever carried a baby. All right, biology
is real. And so Bakari Sellers has a daughter. I
(25:52):
don't have daughters. I've got three boys. I would love
to have had a daughter, and you know, in an
ideal world, I would have had more kids. We were
talking about kids earlier. I wish I had more than three.
I feel very fortunate to have three. I cannot imagine
coaching as I've coached my boys. I cannot imagine coaching
girls and not standing up for them to be able
(26:13):
to compete fairly in the same way to me against
other girls. If somebody tried to play a sixteen year
old boy against my twelve year old team, I would
stand up and say, this is not right.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I there was a this is like getting down on
the weeds a little bit, but there was a lot
of controversy. When I grew up and went to my
Catholic school in Manhattan, Saint David's, we only went up
to the eighth grade.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
In our league.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
For some reason, there were schools that just had this
additional ninth grade, so they stopped in ninth grade. So huge,
let me tell you for boys, Yes, when I was
in the eighth grade, some of those ninth graders were
like shaving their beards and looked like, you know, they
were driving Harley's to school. Like it just felt like
a big dead That one year makes a big difference
boys when they hit puberty. The first kid to get
(26:57):
a mustache as anybody out there has ever coached little
boys that turn into young adolescents, that first boy who
gets the mustache. When you see testosterone start to hit,
you go from boy to capable of being a man
really quickly physically. And that's why girls oftentimes can compete
(27:17):
pre puberty.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right, It's not uncommon for there to be. I coached
the team. The best player on our team when we
were ten, the team was ten was a girl.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
She was a beast.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Now she's probably not going to be a beast against
fourteen year olds, right, But I'm not opposed to girls
playing against boys pre puberty, or even if there is
a girl who is good enough to play against boys
at the highest level, more power to them. But the
idea that you should allow a dude to just dominate
and that this has become acceptable for people to say, is.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It is crazy, and the reasons for opposing it. First
of all, it demeans the achievements. It will always demean
the achievements of women in sports. But it also demeans,
and this is I think more central to it. It
demeans what it means to be a woman. And you've
start you've seen this for example with Dylan mulvaney, the
(28:12):
trans influencer. For example, growing your hair long and putting
on like strange makeup and taking some estrogen doesn't make
you a woman. And also lecturing people on your womanhood
when you're a man with long remember this was the
whole thing. Yeah, I know it was Dylan mlvney was
doing these. It's a caricature of being a woman. It's
(28:33):
offensive actually, And you know, there's something I think that
is both really really wrong with a society that is
going to continue to play the game and elevate this
for the purposes of sports and entertainment, but also what
does it mean about womanhood and being a woman in
those experiences If somebody is exactly where you are. You know,
(28:56):
a guy is forty and he says, I'm a woman now,
and he has the same experience of being a woman
and is indistinguishable from women who have been a woman
for women for forty years.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
It's one of the team to send me gender appropriation,
Isn't it interesting? There's cultural appropriation you're not allowed even
though actually like Vikings had braids and uh, what.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Do you call it? H Well, just start with.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, but you know, you're not allowed to wear braids
according to some people if you're a white person, because
that's cultural corporation. Yes, you know, even though actually it's
existed for you know, millennia. Basically in different cultures. You
can't appropriate culture, but you can appropriate gender, and that's
supposed to be fine. I've never met somebody who said
I'm now a woman and I was like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
You pull it off. Never happened, It's never happened.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What about I mean, I would just say, if you
dress up as a black person for Halloween, that is blackface,
and you basically get canceled. I mean, your life is
basically over. Like you basically if you fired, that's correct.
But if you dress up like a woman and try
to pretend that you're actually a woman, I don't understand
how that's first of all, not woman face. You're not
really a woman. But that should be more offensive, I think,
(30:10):
by the way, because you're actually claiming that you are
that as opposed to dressing up like it. And the
other part of this I would say is and this
is for women out there, your kindness is being taken
advantage of by men. All because this does not occur
for men. Again, I asked this question a couple of
weeks ago. There isn't an answer name. There's no woman
(30:33):
who becomes a man and gets named Man of the
Year the first time this happens. Women who become men
are basically just kind of men. Feel sorry for them, right,
like I wish you're happier. But it's not like you're
defining there's no man. There's not like day one of
being a man, and men are like, oh.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Listen, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
They make a first of all, overwhelmingly these are same
sex attracted men, who are you know, going through this
sort of gender dysporia thing. And there's actually dressing as
cross dressing. This has been known for a long time.
Is actually a form of sexual arousal for some people.
So there's a whole component doesn't get talk about anymore.
It's been known by psychiatrists for the last you know,
(31:14):
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who was in h Well anyway, you know I was
gonna get into it, but I was gonna say the.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
One who just talk about it when we come back too. Yeah, yeah, okay,
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our special eclipse correspondent, producer Greg is out there chasing
the best possible view of the eclipse in America. He
did take today. He had eight time off and he's
using it to check out the eclipse. Clay's jaws still
(33:04):
on the ground as a result. But let's check in
with Greg on the eclipse. Greg, what are you seeing?
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Buck? I'm seeing high clouds which are giving a nice
kind of halo around the sun.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So you are traveling? How far now?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Producer Greg? Here you are because to try to get
the perfect view. Where are you now?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We are in Malone, New York, which is a stone's
throw from the candidate border, which is not very far.
It's just a couple ten miles of north from here,
and we are two hours two and a half hours
east of where we started this morning, which was Watertown,
which is on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So you are chasing where you think the clouds are
less like to be. Are you just pulled off on
the side of the road now watching the sun.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
No, we are actually at a restaurant in Malone, Hossler's
family restaurant, and just give them a nice little shout
out there, and yeah, we're having lunch and then we're
trying to We're gonna we're gonna stay here because there's
weather moving in and it's not really going to get
any much better than what we have.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Wait, you're so you're you're in the general vicinity. I
mean no, actually, I can't even water. You're like way north.
I was gonna say, you're you're up there? Is it
supposed to hit around two o'clock that the you're you're
the one paying attention to this. When does it actually
when does everyone look up with the silly glasses?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Greg? When does it happen?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
The first contact starts around to twenty and then that's
when you'll start to see a little bite taken out
of the sun, and then the total thing should be
around three twenty or so. After you guys are off
there right.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Clay, I Clay, I'm gonna I have my glasses here
courtesy you have producer Greg, you know he sent me
a party.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I've got mine too, So I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Have to get out there during the commercial break here
during the show and stand on my balcony and see
if I can see this thing.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Greg, keep us up to date, stay safe, protect your corneas.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
We'll do our best.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
What are the odds? Buck, by the way, it's great,
still there. What's the name of this family restaurant that
you're eating at right now?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Hozzlers? Hostlers?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Are we on? Are we on in this community? Like
we may just flood Hossler's family restaurant here?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
We are nowhere near here?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
All right, We're there.
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I mean the closest we have is Syracuse, which is
south of US.
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Yeah.
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People forget New York is actually huge, and if you
live in Buffalo, you're really more in Ohioan than you
are like a Long Island or New York City person.
I mean, you're a way out there. It's very far west.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show
Monday Edition. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Awesome weekend here went up to wrestle Mania with the
three Travis boys and my wife. Absolutely phenomenal time. Buck,
(00:22):
I know had a fantastic weekend as well. We're going
to hit the ground run and we have got a
ton to discuss with all of you as we sit
less than crazy to say it, less than seven months
now until election Day. We're gonna go up to Pennsylvania
with our friend Sean Parnell. Get the absolute latest there.
He is a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
At two thirty, dan Zach Sheesky, who asked, I can't
(00:45):
believe this is real in many ways, but Dawn Staley
is the women's national championship coach of South Carolina. She
said that she believes men who are pretending to be
women should be able to play women's college basketball. We're
going to talk about that. It is absolutely bonkers. I
cannot believe the crazy world that we live in where
(01:06):
that is an absolute argument that anyone would make who
actually is involved in the world of sports or women's
athletics for that degree. We'll talk about all that and more,
but off the top, we told you that this was
coming and we had a discussion about it. I think
it was last week, maybe it was the week before.
Trump has been teasing and letting people know that he
was going to release his official position on abortion. Now
(01:29):
I'm going to play the cuts from Trump that came
out this morning. I think what's important about this, and
I think Buck would agree. Biden's in trouble, which is
why today he's going to try to re emphasize his
student loan forgiveness. That is, he's going to attempt that
even though the Supreme Court is said he can't do
it through executive authority. He's desperate. He's behind on the border,
(01:49):
he's behind on crime, he's behind on inflation in the economy.
Everything basically is a disaster for him. He's got two issues,
abortion and what he believes is is the sanctity of
American democracy. So the democracy thing, I think is increasingly
flailing and not working, because when you try to put
your chief political opponent in prison for the rest of
(02:10):
his life and take away his freedom. It's hard to
argue that democracy is really at stake. I think that's
cut back against him, so he's down to abortion. The
Democrat Party is basically driven by single women, who overwhelmingly
vote for Democrats. Men overwhelmingly now vote for Republicans. Married
women more likely to vote for Republicans as well. Democrats
(02:31):
have become the party of single women, and single women
are very focused on abortion. In the aftermath of the
overturning of Roby Wade, people have been asking what is
Trump's position going to be in twenty twenty four. He
now has released it. Let's go ahead and play that
and then we will react. Here's Trump telling you what
he believes should happen with abortion.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Under my leadership, the Republican Party will always support the
creation of strong, thriving, and healthy American families. We want
to make it easier for mothers and families.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
To have babies, not harder.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That include supporting the availability of fertility treatments like IVF
in every state in America. Like the overwhelming majority of Americans,
including the vast majority of Republicans, Conservatives, Christians, and pro
life Americans, I strongly support the availability of IVF for
couples who are trying to have a precious baby.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
What could be more beautiful or better than that?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Today, I'm pleased that the Alabama legislature has acted very
quickly and passed legislation that preserves the availability of IVF
in Alabama. They really did a great and fast job.
The Republican Party should always be on the side of
the miracle of life and the side of mother's father,
their beautiful babies, and that's what we are.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
IVF is an.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Important part of that, and our great Republican Party will
always be with you in your quest for the ultimate
joy in life.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So there's that part one.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah, right, yeah, So that's on the IVF side of this,
and there's there's the politics and the ethics of of
both of these. He's going to talk about abortion in
a second, where Trump will I mean, uh, we'll play
that for you. But on the on the IVF point,
Alabama has already acted on this. People trying to have babies, uh,
and and trying to bring more life into this world
(04:20):
is a overwhelmingly popular thing.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Politically, the idea of making it harder for people to
have babies is a huge I mean that is a
huge loser.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You're even going to lose a.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Lot of the pro life contingent if you say that
you don't want to you know. And also some of
the people I think I see online who take a
very firm line on the IVF issue, I just okay,
I mean, then they should be the one who get
to tell people that survive cancer you never get to
have kids. Sorry, I know, you don't get to have
(04:54):
child cancer survivor you don't get to have children. If
someone's willing to say that that, I that I'm more
are open to their I don't like. No, I'm not
saying there aren't you know, perhaps procedures in ways that
it could be more ethically done or there. But the
notion of like you shouldn't be able to use modern
science to try to allow people to have babies. We
need Elon is right on this. By the way, I've
(05:15):
been hammering this to back.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We need more babies in this country. Carry it. I
we we are trying, you know, we are being patient,
We are trying.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
We want to have children, we want to have a
few children if we can, and uh, we need more babies.
I mean, so this is the we need more babies.
As Americans, we need more babies as a species life.
We want more life people, and we want to encourage
people to have babies. We want to encourage people to
uh to have you know, the biggest family they think
they can possibly have, if that's what they want. But
(05:45):
you know, for people that want that, and so look,
this is just because they were running with this and
it got it got al the member, it got a
little scary for a moment there politically where they were saying, oh,
Republicans are opposed, I mean opposed to IVF is like
defund the police.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Love you know, you agree for the for the for.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
The right wing Christians in the conservative sort of talk space.
If that's going to be your position, we're going to
lose every election for the rest of my life, right,
I mean, if that's how if you're opposed to play.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
For killing time babies being born by people who desperately
want to have babies. Is the dumb I think your
I think your analogy is going it's it's defund the
police level.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Dumb.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yes, it's you're just whatever you think you're just gonna lose.
And then the communists who want to murder babies up
until nine months and want to encourage, you know, women
to have eight abortions before they even get married. If
they get married, you know, then they'll be in charge
of everything and they'll set all the law. So that's
a horrible idea. Okay, now let's get to Trump on
the abortion issue specifically. This was the other SoundBite we
had for everyone play it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
My view is now that we have abortion where everybody
wanted it. From a legal standpoint, the states will determine
by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they
decide must be the law of the land, in this case,
the law of the state. Many states will be different,
many will have a different number of weeks, or some
will have more conservative than others, and that's what they
(07:07):
will be at the end of the day. This is
all about the will of the people. You must follow
your heart or in many cases your religion or your faith.
Do what's right for your family, and do what's right
for yourself, do what's right for your children, do what's
right for our country, and vote. So important to vote.
Like Ronald Reagan, I am struggling in favor of exceptions
(07:28):
for rape, incest and life of the mother. You must
follow your heart of this issue. But remember you must
also win elections to restore our culture and in fact,
to save our country.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Now, this is what I said on the show. I
thought he should do because even if I understand that
there are people who are advocating, I think Clay, this
was your position. If you take off the table anything
beyond whatever is sixteen weeks or something that's better than
what you have in most states right now, if you
go federal, right, if he has to go with something federal,
(08:00):
then at least you're limiting you know, it's not letting
the perfect be the enemy of the good. But I've thought,
and this is what Trump has taken here as the
position the whole pro so I mean I've been, you know,
working in at some capacity or pushing for the pro
life movement for twenty some odd years now of my life,
and the whole pro life movement. The big thing was, well,
(08:22):
Roe is as a total travesty. It's a moral travesty
and a legal travesty. So we have to get rid
of of Roe.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Roe v.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Wade.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That happened happened because of Trump judges, and it happened
because the basis of the overturning right was just this
isn't a federal issue. There's no basis in the Constitution
for a right to abortion, So to make it a
federal issue right after that, I think is legally and
politically problematic. And I also think it's a loser, right.
(08:49):
I think that if you do that, you're going to
because you can't have a Republican president running and saying, well,
you know, abortion for the first three months, let's get
that codified. I'm fine with that, whereas now Trump can
least say it's a state's issue. I think this largely
takes it off the table for Biden. Not entirely, but
it certainly takes a lot of the heat out of
the ad they're going to run in swing states.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Well, this is really what I think you're right. I
think you're right about politically, this is a strung I'm
focused on the politics of it. This is a strong
position because it is going to be basically, the democratic
process should decide, and this is a state level issue.
And if you want to live in a state with
(09:31):
less abortion rights, like many of the Red states are,
then you can make a choice to live there. And
if you want to go to a blue state where frankly,
you now have more expansive abortion rights than you did
before Roe v. Wade, then you have that right as well.
And I think this is going to be a hard
position to attack Trump on. I also think Trump was
(09:51):
already hard to attack on this issue. If you'll remember Buck,
and you remember it certainly very well. The reason he
took Mike Pence was because people didn't believe that he
wasdmitted enough to the pro life movement. Then he delivers
roe v. Wade's overturning, which is the biggest pro life
win in the last fifty years.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I mean, for any president, the biggest win of the
pro since Roe v. Wade.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's the biggest win that the pro life movement has had.
So Trump can say I delivered for you. And now
this is a state level issue. The reality is there
aren't the votes to make this a federal issue right now.
It would take I think this is one where Nikki
Haley was right sixty Republicans in the Senate in order
to try to put in place a position, not to
(10:34):
mention having the House.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's not a reality at this point.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And I think that the movement, the pro life movement
in states that are reader.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They're in a place.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Look, the left use incrementalism on this for a very
long time, and they've always used the extremes to try
to try to sort of beat people in the opposition down.
It's always, you know, they always say rape incests, life
of the mother, and then you say, okay, but you know,
then you have women showing up at rallies with I've
had fifteen abortions, aren't I you know, amazing, Like that's
not rape, incest, life of the mother. Yeah, we're actually
(11:08):
so there's always been this hiding of the of the
true intent and hiding of what the pro choice movement
stands for, which has been a massive amount of unnecessary
and and and just heartbreaking death over a series of decades.
And so I think that you can have now people
can see that living in a state where you know,
(11:32):
let's say, you know, if it's a state that for example,
has just the exceptions the Trump lays out, it's okay,
like it's not going to be the end of the world.
If more people are having babies, that actually is a
good thing in that state. And in states where they're
going to keep pushing abortion, abortion, abortion, you know, I
think that We'll see over time how perceptions of these
things start to change a bit, and the extremism of
(11:52):
a state. I brought up Colorado because even before Roe
was overturned, you know, Colorado passed this law, and it's
very explicit. Actually, abortion anytime, any reason, any period of
the pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, no restrictions of any kind whatsoever, very explicit in law.
And there are other states, I mean New York and
California basically have a similar approach to it.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think, sorry to cut you off, but I think
what Trump hit on here was and then we didn't play.
I don't think the full cut of this, but he
really went after third trimester abortions. And the data reflects
that over eighty percent of Americans opposed third trimester abortions,
over eighty percent. That is now Democrat orthodoxy, which is
why we talked about Bill Clinton. It used to be
safe legal and rare. That was the position. You support
(12:34):
abortion rights, but safe legal and rare. Now it is
if you want to have an abortion up to basically
birth and sometimes after, you can do it. That is
a radical proposition. And I think Trump can make that
case and people will understand it. More coming from him
than they would others. So I think this was a
smart strategic statement that he made today. Obviously, some of
(12:55):
you may disagree. You're welcome to call in eight hundred
and two two two eight a two, But I think
if you look at the board and what Biden arguments
he can make, this really restricts.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
The arguments that he's able to make to the extent
that he can make any.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Of it also him it leaves him some latitude too, Yeah,
which is one of the other things about this position
that he's taken, which again I advocated a week ago,
this is what Trump should say. So obviously I think
he's done the right thing under the circumstances. He's a politician,
he's not the pope, right, I mean, he's he's having
to maneuver, and I think under the circumstances he's made
(13:27):
he's made the right move. I wish he hadn't used
the term abortion rights, but look again, if you're ninety
five percent there on something, or you know, or ninety
five percent correct, I don't want to get too down
on the weeds and and and pickett small things, but
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Speaker 4 (15:32):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I'm it's
always a funny thing when I have to text play
because I'm like, your stuff is now spilling over into
my feed, meaning meaning the sports things people are it's
it's it's not sports news, it's national news. Right, It's
not a Oh, if you really care about this league
or this this particular sport, you're gonna know about it.
(15:53):
It's everywhere. It's front page. It's and we had another
one of these over the weekend. It was an OutKick reporter,
correct play was a reporter for OutKick.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Who's going to be on with us at at two
thirty to talk about the blowback from this?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
And there was the final women's Final four and then
South Carolina beat Iowa right to win the NCAA Women's Championship.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So I am learning that as I read it. So
that's good, yay.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But I did see I did see the question, and
this is for what Dawn Staley, right, the Women's Carolina's
women's coach, one of Clay's OutKick guys, asked the question
about women men who should play for whom? And this
is what it sounded like, playing.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Coach you just talked about. You know what a massive
weekend this is obviously for women's basketball, women's sports in general.
One of the major issues facing women's sports right now
is the debate discussion topic about the inclusion of transgender
athletes biological males in women's sports. I was wondering if
you would tell me your position on that issue.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Damn, you got deep one meeting.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
I I'm on the I mean, I'm on the the
opinion of of if you're a woman, you should play
have you conceived yourself a woman and you want to
play sports or vice versa, you should be able to play.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Oh, I m clay, I know you're you're gonna let's
let's tear into this in a minute. But I just
she almost got it right when she said if you're
a woman, you should play. And then she said if
you consider yourself a woman, you should.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
See Yeah, And he also followed up and she specifically
said yes when asked if trans Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Let's let's get the follow up.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
We'll come and play that file we come back, because
this was rocketing all over the internet over the weekend.
I even saw it, and uh, we'll dive into it
in just a moment and we'll get into this discussion.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
This is something like thirty million people have watched that
video clip, by the way, which is just kind of
gives you a sense of how how widely that was distributed.
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can congratulations in South Carolina, congratuate congratulations to the Iowa
women probably going to be the most watched women's basketball
game ever. It's good that we can say women's basketball
game ever, because if Don Staley gets her way, soon,
women's basketball may be made up of men. Here is
(19:14):
the second part to follow up from Dan Szski zach Zsky,
who is at OutKick, did this question listen as well?
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Do you think transgender women should be able to participate?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That's the question I wanted to ask.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
I mean, you want to ask, so I'll give you that.
Speaker 9 (19:29):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
Yes, So now the barnstorm of people are going to
flood my timeline and be a distraction to me one
of the biggest uh days of our game.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I really am okay.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So buck your reaction as I obviously come out of
the world as sports, but your reaction as just a
guy who understands that biology is real when.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You hear that's probably to be fair.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Don Staley maybe the highest paid woman in all of
college athletics. She's close to it. She's making millions of
dollars a year. She's now won three national championships for
South Carolina for the game Cocks. Your reaction when you
hear this, well, you know.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
My.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Question always with this is she can't believe what she's saying,
because if we were to play out the experiment, she
would know in many ways better because she works in
you know, basketball and at a high level that if
if you put a single like six foot I would
even say like six four six ' five guy who
(20:37):
can play some ball.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Who can play above the rim and is a good
jumping athlete. You know, there's a different caligard.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Because this is what people say, like, oh, well, what if,
like you know the point, it's some guy who's like
a five foot three couch potato who can't play basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
They're like, well, is you gonna dominate? No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But it's what we see in other sports where people
who were competing against men as a man and then
they go, oh, I can just run the table and
be all the women in this and they do because of.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Biology and because biology is real.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
She has to know that, right, he has to know
if you took a single Honestly, if you took a
D three male basketball player and put him in the
women's NCAA D one, he would he would score more
points than Kaylyn Clark. I don't know what else to say.
He'd be the best player to have ever played in Okay,
With that said, is she saying it Clay because she
believes it? Or is she saying it because she doesn't want?
(21:29):
I mean, the trans agenda, you know, apparatus out there
is so insane and so nasty to people over this.
Did she say it because she doesn't want to have
lunatics waiting outside of her house shouting at her and
screaming at her in restaurants?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
You know what I mean? Is it just she's scared?
Is she scared? Or does she believe it?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I think she doesn't believe it, but she's in a
cult and she feels compelled to claim that she believes it,
which I think is probably it's kind of a third
option then, yeah, which is kind of the worse. And
I'll tell you why I'm believe that, Buck, And let
me take a step back. There are some people out
there who know nothing about sports, and they want to
believe that men and women are basically the same and
that biology is all made up, and their theory is
(22:12):
that there is no difference between men and women. I
disagree with them, but that is their worldview, and they
don't actually engage in sports. Don Staley is on the
record Buck as saying that the reason one of the
reasons why South Carolina's women are so good is because
they practice against men who are intramural players in college
(22:33):
at South Carolina, not male athletes. You know, on scholarship
just dudes like fraternity guys.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, I mean, you know, hold on, hold on us
intramural college basketball players.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know some of us have got some handle play.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
All right, Yes, well look I played intermural basketball. But
I think it's important for people to understand this. These guys,
a intramural men's team at South Carolina, would crush the
South carol a line of women in a one on
one game, even playing with a girls basketball, which she
remember is smaller, so it's easier to make shots, it's
(23:06):
easier to has She knows that she's on the record
buck as saying one reason they're good is because they
compete against these guys and sometimes he she has to
call them off because they can't even get the ball
across half court.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, so this is a big So I think she knows.
This is why I'm so disappointed in her answer.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
She knows that what she is saying would lead to
the destruction of women's sports, But she is so committed
to the lgbt QI a cult that she is willing
to say things that she knows is untrue to stay
in their good favor, which I think is the ultimate
sign personally of a scoundrel, right if you know something
(23:48):
is untrue, like Bacary's what's a guy's name? Macar Butcary
Sellers on CNN tweeted at me. I'll read it came
at me. I don't even know who this guy is, Like,
I've never met him, and he just out of nowhere
tweeted at me this morning. So you guys know, I
think Clay Travis needs to realize Dawn Staley is literally
(24:11):
better than him at life. Objectively, she's great, and you've
been relegated to a troll who must attempt to stoke
culture wars, Clay, have you ever asked yourself what will
I be remembered for? The answer right now is a
bad haircut on Fox? Every so often? Do better, my guy,
And look, that's a personal attack. He comes at me,
(24:33):
And my response is not that your.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Ego needs any help, but like, you know, you're doing
pretty well, Like this is a little it's like not
the guy I'd come after in this way, Like honestly,
Bacari Sellers a third tier CNN commentator, Like I know
the CNN hierarchy, but anyway, fine, but.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, my point on it is, I just come back
to Bacary.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And my response is just I want you guys to
hear it because I think and I said it, Bacary,
do you believe men should be able to play women's
and win women's championships?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's a simple question. You can personally attack me all
you want. That's just an attempt to change the subject.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yes or no.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Answer it, and he won't. And he won't answer it
because any man who has ever played sports, and any woman, certainly,
I think out there in our audience knows that men
are bigger, stronger, and faster than women. That doesn't mean
that women have less value in life. Okay, you're not
trying to equate the value of respective sexes. Right, None
(25:31):
of us would exist if not for the incredible fact
that women can carry babies and do so for nine
months and are undefeated so far as I know. Buck
when it comes to delivering children, so far as I know,
no man has ever carried a baby. All right, biology
is real. And so Bakari Sellers has a daughter. I
(25:52):
don't have daughters. I've got three boys. I would love
to have had a daughter, and you know, in an
ideal world, I would have had more kids. We were
talking about kids earlier. I wish I had more than three.
I feel very fortunate to have three. I cannot imagine
coaching as I've coached my boys. I cannot imagine coaching
girls and not standing up for them to be able
(26:13):
to compete fairly in the same way to me against
other girls. If somebody tried to play a sixteen year
old boy against my twelve year old team, I would
stand up and say, this is not right.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I there was a this is like getting down on
the weeds a little bit, but there was a lot
of controversy. When I grew up and went to my
Catholic school in Manhattan, Saint David's, we only went up
to the eighth grade.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
In our league.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
For some reason, there were schools that just had this
additional ninth grade, so they stopped in ninth grade. So huge,
let me tell you for boys, Yes, when I was
in the eighth grade, some of those ninth graders were
like shaving their beards and looked like, you know, they
were driving Harley's to school. Like it just felt like
a big dead That one year makes a big difference
boys when they hit puberty. The first kid to get
(26:57):
a mustache as anybody out there has ever coached little
boys that turn into young adolescents, that first boy who
gets the mustache. When you see testosterone start to hit,
you go from boy to capable of being a man
really quickly physically. And that's why girls oftentimes can compete
(27:17):
pre puberty.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right, It's not uncommon for there to be. I coached
the team. The best player on our team when we
were ten, the team was ten was a girl.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
She was a beast.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Now she's probably not going to be a beast against
fourteen year olds, right, But I'm not opposed to girls
playing against boys pre puberty, or even if there is
a girl who is good enough to play against boys
at the highest level, more power to them. But the
idea that you should allow a dude to just dominate
and that this has become acceptable for people to say, is.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
It is crazy, and the reasons for opposing it. First
of all, it demeans the achievements. It will always demean
the achievements of women in sports. But it also demeans,
and this is I think more central to it. It
demeans what it means to be a woman. And you've
start you've seen this for example with Dylan mulvaney, the
(28:12):
trans influencer. For example, growing your hair long and putting
on like strange makeup and taking some estrogen doesn't make
you a woman. And also lecturing people on your womanhood
when you're a man with long remember this was the
whole thing. Yeah, I know it was Dylan mlvney was
doing these. It's a caricature of being a woman. It's
(28:33):
offensive actually, And you know, there's something I think that
is both really really wrong with a society that is
going to continue to play the game and elevate this
for the purposes of sports and entertainment, but also what
does it mean about womanhood and being a woman in
those experiences If somebody is exactly where you are. You know,
(28:56):
a guy is forty and he says, I'm a woman now,
and he has the same experience of being a woman
and is indistinguishable from women who have been a woman
for women for forty years.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
It's one of the team to send me gender appropriation,
Isn't it interesting? There's cultural appropriation you're not allowed even
though actually like Vikings had braids and uh, what.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Do you call it? H Well, just start with.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, but you know, you're not allowed to wear braids
according to some people if you're a white person, because
that's cultural corporation. Yes, you know, even though actually it's
existed for you know, millennia. Basically in different cultures. You
can't appropriate culture, but you can appropriate gender, and that's
supposed to be fine. I've never met somebody who said
I'm now a woman and I was like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
You pull it off. Never happened, It's never happened.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What about I mean, I would just say, if you
dress up as a black person for Halloween, that is blackface,
and you basically get canceled. I mean, your life is
basically over. Like you basically if you fired, that's correct.
But if you dress up like a woman and try
to pretend that you're actually a woman, I don't understand
how that's first of all, not woman face. You're not
really a woman. But that should be more offensive, I think,
(30:10):
by the way, because you're actually claiming that you are
that as opposed to dressing up like it. And the
other part of this I would say is and this
is for women out there, your kindness is being taken
advantage of by men. All because this does not occur
for men. Again, I asked this question a couple of
weeks ago. There isn't an answer name. There's no woman
(30:33):
who becomes a man and gets named Man of the
Year the first time this happens. Women who become men
are basically just kind of men. Feel sorry for them, right,
like I wish you're happier. But it's not like you're
defining there's no man. There's not like day one of
being a man, and men are like, oh.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Listen, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
They make a first of all, overwhelmingly these are same
sex attracted men, who are you know, going through this
sort of gender dysporia thing. And there's actually dressing as
cross dressing. This has been known for a long time.
Is actually a form of sexual arousal for some people.
So there's a whole component doesn't get talk about anymore.
It's been known by psychiatrists for the last you know,
(31:14):
one hundred years. But you know who is the actor
who was in h Well anyway, you know I was
gonna get into it, but I was gonna say the.
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Are welcome back in are duly elected by US Eclipse Chaser,
our special eclipse correspondent, producer Greg is out there chasing
the best possible view of the eclipse in America. He
did take today. He had eight time off and he's
using it to check out the eclipse. Clay's jaws still
(33:04):
on the ground as a result. But let's check in
with Greg on the eclipse. Greg, what are you seeing?
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Buck? I'm seeing high clouds which are giving a nice
kind of halo around the sun.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So you are traveling? How far now?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Producer Greg? Here you are because to try to get
the perfect view. Where are you now?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We are in Malone, New York, which is a stone's
throw from the candidate border, which is not very far.
It's just a couple ten miles of north from here,
and we are two hours two and a half hours
east of where we started this morning, which was Watertown,
which is on the eastern shore of Lake Ontario.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So you are chasing where you think the clouds are
less like to be. Are you just pulled off on
the side of the road now watching the sun.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
No, we are actually at a restaurant in Malone, Hossler's
family restaurant, and just give them a nice little shout
out there, and yeah, we're having lunch and then we're
trying to We're gonna we're gonna stay here because there's
weather moving in and it's not really going to get
any much better than what we have.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Wait, you're so you're you're in the general vicinity. I
mean no, actually, I can't even water. You're like way north.
I was gonna say, you're you're up there? Is it
supposed to hit around two o'clock that the you're you're
the one paying attention to this. When does it actually
when does everyone look up with the silly glasses?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Greg? When does it happen?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
The first contact starts around to twenty and then that's
when you'll start to see a little bite taken out
of the sun, and then the total thing should be
around three twenty or so. After you guys are off
there right.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Clay, I Clay, I'm gonna I have my glasses here
courtesy you have producer Greg, you know he sent me
a party.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I've got mine too, So I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Have to get out there during the commercial break here
during the show and stand on my balcony and see
if I can see this thing.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Greg, keep us up to date, stay safe, protect your corneas.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
We'll do our best.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
What are the odds? Buck, by the way, it's great,
still there. What's the name of this family restaurant that
you're eating at right now?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Hozzlers? Hostlers?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Are we on? Are we on in this community? Like
we may just flood Hossler's family restaurant here?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
We are nowhere near here?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
All right, We're there.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
I mean the closest we have is Syracuse, which is
south of US.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah.
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People forget New York is actually huge, and if you
live in Buffalo, you're really more in Ohioan than you
are like a Long Island or New York City person.
I mean, you're a way out there. It's very far west.
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