June 15, 2024 • 36 mins
Florida Congressman Byron Donalds joins Clay and Buck to talk about his future as a possible Trump VP or candidate for governor of Florida and the GOP outreach to black voters. Mary Margaret Olohan of The Daily Signal discusses her new book: "Detrans: True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult". Bad fashion trends: Jorts and mom jeans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
I'm in our DC studios Buck in Miami, where the
rain is coming down like crazy. Joined now by someone
who is also a South Floridian. He is Congressman Byron
Donalds from the Great State of Florida. And you were
jealous because I'm in a T shirt and shorts.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, I'm jealous. That's hot. Missing suits her when something
serious is happening. Unfortunately in Washington, we're not doing very
serious things right now.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And you and Buck are both now South Floridians. I
was asking you, because you also grew up in New York,
when did you become aware that there was better weather
than where you lived in New York. So, my wife's
from Michigan. We were talking off the air and she
was like, until she came to the South, she had
no idea that there was places where it wasn't grey
for months at a time. When did you When were
(00:51):
you like, man, this Florida's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh, it was my first winter in college because when
I got to Tallahassee it was still August, it was
nasty hot. I was like, okay, well, it's superhuman here.
Superhuman in New York. It's not really much difference. It's
just a little bit hotter here. Yeah. And then those
winter months came, November came, and it's in Tallahassee. Tallahassee
gets gets cold, yeah, but not like New York. And
(01:15):
I was just like, oh this is this isn't too bad.
Then when I moved to Naples, I was like, oh, shoot,
these snowbirds have this thing completely right. You just change
your change your time period up north, down south, split
the year and you'll be good because the weather in
Naples is beautiful from about November through March. It's just flat, gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Tallahassee is the Albany of North Florida for those who
don't know. So it's, you know, quite a place. I've
actually spent some time there. My in laws live there.
Congress Spirit, so I.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Never thought about it that way. But you are correct.
That is exactly right. Thank you. You are exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So, speaking of Florida stuff, we want to get in
the national scene. Trump the elections obviously all that too.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I hear from some people who know some things that well,
there's a.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Couple of jobs you might be up in the running
four but at some point in the future, would you
be interested in being governor of this great state of Florida.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I would. I would, but a lot of time between
now and then. Look, everybody knows, you know, Governor Disantus,
he's turning out, and so it's gonna be I think,
a free for all for who's going to replace him.
A lot of good people on that list, but you know,
the voters will decide how that's going to go. I
actually don't think it's going to be that big of
a race, honestly, and so I probably all the press
(02:34):
people in Florida like, oh, shoot, did you hear what
he says? You don't think it's gonna be a big
feel I just think that in governor's races, it's it's
different than if you're dealing with a congressional race or
a state house race or something like that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Because it takes so much resources to jump in sources.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's big. It's really it's big money, man. I think
you're talking fifteen the thirty five million dollars or more.
And then you know at that level, people pretty much
much or defined or people have a good understanding of
who people are, and so it's hard to cut through,
So I think I don't really think it's going to
be a big, big field, but I think it's going
(03:09):
to be real competition.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, Buck mentioned a couple potentially governor is up in
twenty six. You're also on the Trump VP list. Yeah,
what has that been like? Because you're around bucking Mind's age,
you're a guy in your early forties. Is that a
crazy process to go through the vice presidential I don't
(03:31):
even know what forms you fill out. I mean I
haven't filled out a form since FAFSA. I don't think
that's anything like this, maybe a bar exam questionnaire, Like
what is that process like?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I mean, look, I'm not going to get into particulars,
but I will tell you that it's you have no control.
You basically are just, you know, doing whatever you've been
doing to to be on that list or for the
President Trump to say, you know what, this person might
be a good person. Let's keep an eye on that person.
(04:04):
So the way I approach it is, I just do
what I've been doing. I don't really think much about it.
I let everybody else talk about it. You know, I've
never really been a never been a surrogate for a
campaign before that's really interesting. And so I just said,
you know what, I'm gonna just work hard at that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And what is that like for people who don't know
what a surrogate for a campaign is, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You're doing well? That is like, you know, the campaign
will make requests for you to do different news stations
or new segments, and so you really just make yourself
available to do that. You know, the campaign will send
talking points that kind of stuff. I pretty much do
what I want though, so you know, it's it's cool,
(04:45):
but I mean, listen, I asked a couple of them.
I'm like, hey, you know, I'm just out here just
kind of free wheeling doing what I want. Are you guys? Okay?
They're like, oh no, no, keep going like you're good.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So we're speaking to Congress and Byron Donald's from Florida,
and as you see all this stuff, Congressman going on
the it's amazing. We're in an election cycle and we're
pretty deep into it. You know, we've got the presidential
debate just a few weeks away. Yeah, we've got multiple
cases still pending against Donald Trump, who is the de
(05:16):
facto GOP nominee. But it seems like you know, we
just talked to Senator Hagerty about this. None of this
legal stuff really seems to be having the impact so
far that certainly I think the Democrats thought it would.
Do you do you see any of that changing or
at the end of the day, anybody who's still thinking
about this, say, in September October, is it going to
(05:38):
be you know, the economy, border crime, the you know,
those kitchen table issues.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That we always hear about every cycle. I don't think
it's really gonna matter at all. And I think the
reason why it's not going to matter is because the
Democrats and the media, I mean they're one and the same.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
They have been pushing this narrative for a year and
a half against you know, the most defined human being
on the planet, like it's Donald Trump is universally defined.
You know who he is, you know what he is,
you know what he's not. And so they've been pushing
this constant narrative, even if you go back to twenty
(06:13):
sixteen about you know, he's a Russian agent or oh no,
he's corrupt, or oh no, he's impeded. All this craziness.
There's always been this media driven, Democrat driven chaos, and
so people are just looking at it like, oh, well,
it's just one more thing to them, because it's really
(06:34):
all become white noise at this point, and so people
are seeing through it. It's not even something that bothers
them anymore. And then the people who actually dig into
this stuff realize it's just political and it's just persecution
and anything that sucks, anything it's disgusting. And I think
that goes to the two hundred million dollars that he
raised right after the verdict in Lower Manhattan because people
(06:55):
know it's bs and so it's not gonna matter, it's
not gonna a play in. And then when you add
in Joe Biden, you know, I call him the Master
of Disaster. That's who he is. The thing just his
presidency has been awful, and you look at the outcomes
of his presidency, people already upset, and then they see
that they just still can't get Donald Trump. You know,
(07:19):
they just can't get away from him. They have Trump
Derangement syndrome, and I think people are going to largely
ignore the cases.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So, speaking for my colleague here or on an issue
that he brings up pretty regularly, Congressman Clay has thought
for some time or has pointed to the polls which
we agree show this. But there's a possibility that Trump
may outperform with young black male voters in this election.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
We actually have a steak bet on this, so you know,
we got a bunch of steak bets. So I'm curious
how you would break this down. But yes, well, first
of all, what kind of stick will be talking about
the highest how can I get Can I get him
on this action? Maybe? So it depends on what your answer.
Welcome clear ethics first. Yeah, all right, So the question
(08:10):
Buck's asking because I think you're going to be on
his side on one of these, because we were talking
about off air. But let's start with this one. I
think that there are going to be a lot of
black men in particular who are open to voting Trump
that haven't been in the past. And our bet is
I think twenty five percent of black men voters are
going to support Donald Trump overall overall twenty.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
He says Trump in this election. I say, I would
love it, Congressman, but I do not see that happening.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh I see that happening. I'm with Yeah, I'm with
you on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Clay he's with you on Clay.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So let me explain a couple of two things, really
two simple things. First, Biden's been Biden has put serious
uh pressure and pain on the of a man. Yeah,
everything's more expensive. I'm not making enough money to catch up.
I was doing much better when Trump Trump was in
(09:09):
office than I am with Biden. That the MSNBC did
it a couple of months ago, that barbershop talk, and
the guys were like, man, we've only known two presidents,
and he's been better. That's a real thing. Like it's real.
It's not it's not a mirage. It's not just something
that popped up in Poland. Second thing is this gender
(09:30):
fluidity mess that the Dems constantly push Black men in
our country. Ain't for that. They're just not for that.
They want their sons to be sons. They want their
sons to grow up to be men. They want their
daughters to be ladies and women. They want them to
grow up to become women. They're not with all of
that stuff. They respect, they respect people who might be
(09:53):
lesbian or gay, bisexual, whatever, but they're not with this
whole puberty blocker. You're not gonna tell me what my
child is saying in school mess they are not for that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Or girls having to compete against dudes pretending to be
girls really not for that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And so those are the two things. While you're seeing
that shift, immigration is now popped into that because with
immigration they're saying, well, wait a minute, I'm doing everything
I can to build myself. And then you're gonna let
people just come in by the millions and just hand
them stuff that's not sitting well with them either. And
(10:29):
the immigration piece is what's starting to have some black
women say wait a minute. So it's a real thing.
My friend Wesley Hunt and who's on Capitol Hill with
me out of Texas, Wesley and I talk about this.
I got that that mess in Philadelphia where the Democrats
or gaslight in the line about me, that's all Wesley's fault.
I'm gonna blame Wesley.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
On National You don't know that story. What happened.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We were in Philadelphia at a black outreach event in Philly,
and in that in that time, we were talking just
about economics, and then families came up. Actually, a black
woman sitting in the front row got up and started
talking about her family history and what she wanted the
things that went on in her life and what she
(11:13):
wanted to see going forward. Wesley started talking about his
family makeup and his family background, and then I started
talking about mine, and it was three different stories. We're
all black people, but it was just three different stories.
And so then I just went into the talking about
how yes, Yes, Al Sharpton and Hakeem Jeffreys and the
Biden campaign. During the Jim Crow era, which was terrible
(11:34):
for black people, the black family was far more together,
far more united, and a lot of respects because they
had to be to fight the oppression they were dealing with.
But when we were having this conversation in Philly, we're
just having a it was a room about one hundred
black people. We were just in there, just talking, having
a good time, and it came up and so they
took that to say that, oh, I thought Jim Crow
was great. Yeah, it's the stupidest thing I ever heard
(11:56):
in my life. I mean, these people acted like I
want to beatle juice to appear and it's so dumb.
But this is the gas lighting in the line that
happens in politics. And that's another thing that black men
in particular, but people in our country are starting to
reject is the gas lighting, the race bating, the lying,
the politicizing of comments and of certain topics to distract
(12:20):
from what's really happening in the country. So to your point,
the twenty five percent, I think that's real. I think
it's very real. And if through campaigns and see how
this thing goes, if you can move that to thirty percent, oh,
this thing's over.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, it's definitely over because the key states are effectively
going to be determined by white working class voters and
black voters. That's it, right, Like overall is demographic all
black voters and then white working class voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin.
Just based on the numbers, there are a lot of
Latino voters voters, but not as many in those key
(12:56):
swing states. So if Trump gets twenty five percent of
the or hire of the black mail vote, if he
even got into what probably fifteen or twenty percent of
the overall black vote, the election's over.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
At fifteen percent of the overall black vote, It's it's
pretty much game, set match. I think the one thing
that's important in this election cycle as a Republican that
I got to make sure I put out there to
my colleagues and also all the consultants who may or
may not be listening. Just because you have a segment
of black voters who are disaffected and pissed off with
(13:29):
Joe Biden, that does not mean that they're now voting Republican.
That could mean they're just going to stay home and
not vote, or they might go third party. So the
work that needs to be done by Republicans to move
those voters into our column, which is the real work
that needs to be happening over the next couple months.
(13:50):
If you could do that, that's when you start talking
about it could really be twenty five. You could be
plus twenty percent of the black vote overall.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Aaron Donald, appreciate you being with us. And if you
and Clay go out for drinks, please keep him out
of trouble. And I'm sorry you're gonna have to loan
him a blazer and a tie. You know, he's dressed
like he's on a Jerry Garcia on tour or something.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And by the way, to give Buck credit, you don't
think that they're gonna drop Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, I don't think they're gonna jop thro I don't
think Joe stands. Yep, that's real quick. All I'll say is,
and I know you guys gotta pay bills. It's not
even so much about Joe anymore. Is that nobody else
has his level of name id. Yeah, so now you
got to explain a whole new person to the Democrat side.
The Democrat voters in America, they already have voter apathy
(14:40):
problems today. I think he stays. I don't think he's
going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
They'll vote for the name, even if the guy doesn't
look like he can function, which I think is pretty obvious. Congressman,
thanks for being with us. Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, anytime, guys.
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Speaker 3 (16:06):
Welcome back in team. We're gonna be joined here by
our friend Mary Margaret Olahan and just as I could
talk about her both d trans but any way, Clay,
I thought we had some very interesting exchanges there with
the Congressman Donald's.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
For one, he's just like, yeah, I could be a governor.
Sounds cool. I like that.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Just it's so refreshing to have a politician who's like, yeah,
in the future, I might go for a you know,
go for a different job, you know, not.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Actually answering questions as opposed to be and like, like,
I like Glenn Youngkin, but man, yesterday he was you know,
you know what's amazing is the focus on Virginia that
doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Anything to do with your question. I'm like, I love
this guy. Man, he's such a nice so smooth, such
a nice guy. But anyway, Congressman Donald's is just like, yeah,
I think the governorship would be a good thing for me,
So something to it and maybe.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The VP I mean. And by the way, I told
him that, I because he wanted to say it as
he was leaving. If you like Byron and the action
has been fabulous to him. And we'll take some calls
before the end of the show about that interview and
also Bill Haggerty. But Byrondonald's dot com is his website.
We usually get politicians to give out their website. If
you would like to donate Byron Donald's dot com is
(17:16):
is his website, and certainly either for the VP or
maybe the governor of Florida, and certainly he's a congressman
right now. But I he liked me on one. I
thought he was great on the percentage of blackmail voters.
I think he's wrong on Biden. But nobody's perfect. Yeah,
we'll see, We'll see about that one.
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm in DC.
Buck is in Miami. I am joined now by Mary
Margaret Olahan, who just had her book release party in Washington, DC.
The book is d trans True Stories of Escaping the
Gender ideology Cult. My friend Riley Gaines, who works with
me at OutKick, is on the cover giving you a blurb.
(19:11):
She says you are awesome. So that is a good
endorsement so far as I'm concerned. Okay, we're gonna get
to the book in a moment. I encourage you to
all go read it, but I want to start with
we're talking off air. You are one of eleven children, yes?
Or is it the second oldest.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Second oldest, oldest daughter? So I like to think of
myself as the boss.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
All right, So I think the ages are thirty to eleven. Yes,
same mom and dad, same mom and dad. Buck is
one of four and he's like in New York City
that's considered crazy. What was it like to grow up
as one of eleven children?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Oh my gosh, it was so much fun.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
It was just always, you know, we're always having a party,
just cleaning the kitchen after dinner, which we all did,
by the way. I think people think it's probably really
hard to have eleven kids, but the kids do the chores,
so I don't think.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
It's that bad.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So they did on the farms. Your homeschool too, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah, we were homeschooled. So and I'm so grateful to
my mom for homeschooling. Yess.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
She taught me how to read when I was really little.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
So now extra kudos to her that I wrote a book,
because I think that I would attribute that in large
part to my homeschool education. But it was so much fun.
Christmas was so much fun, always a party. We would
literally you know, turn on dance music when we were
cleaning the kitchen and all the little kids are like,
you know, it's like having all these cousins around all
the time. I think was what most people would compare
(20:28):
it to, it's a blast.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well that all sounds like a lot of fun. You
want to like tay kids yourself now too, I do.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
I would love to, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
But I don't know how to make this transition into
your book from there, from all the happiness and joy
of a large and loving family into some of this.
So I'm just going to steer off the highway here
and take us into this. So the book d trans
two true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult. I've
got my copy here holding up for our VIPs they
(21:00):
can see. So in this you're not really you know,
it's not that you're in the role of expert, because
this is what they always try to undermine anyone who
talks with this.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, are you an expert? You've even seen this?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm sure, Mary Margaret, we'll say I can't tell if
that's a boy or a girl. I'm not a biologist.
This is kind of became a meme for a while.
But you're reporting on the stories of people who went
through this themselves. In that reporting, what did you find
that everyone needs to know about?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, so these are the real reported stories of detransitioners,
which are people and in this book young people who
tried to do what we would say is unthinkable to
change their gender. So for many of these people, and
let's just say the girls, they're teenagers, they're going on
social media and they're seeing all these representations of masculinity
(21:49):
and femininity that are really confusing them, because we know
our culture is struggling so much with that nowadays. Anyways,
it's toxic masculinity or toxic feminity. There's no happy, normal,
healthy in between. And so a lot of these girls
told me that they're on social media, they're seeing all
these beautiful women online and thinking, I don't look anything
like that.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
You know, these.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Perfectly sculpted, sexy women who get all kinds of male affirmation.
And these are twelve and thirteen year old girls who
think I don't look anything like that. And then some
of these girls told me they were then you know,
they're being exposed to pornography online and they're thinking, Okay,
this is really humiliated, integrating for a lot of women,
I'm scared of that.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
And then they're being told by.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Gender activists, Oh, you feel like you don't like these things,
you don't like how womanhood is betrayed us because you're
not a girl.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
It's because you're a guy.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
And that's a weird fact pattern that I found with
a lot of these girls, and I was surprised by
because I think a lot of the time we hear,
you know, oh, they were exposed to a lot of
gender content online.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
That's not the whole picture.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
It's a whole confusing cocktail of social media that a
lot of these girls are being subjected to. And so
you know, from that point on, what happens is these
girls say, Okay, I think I'm a guy. They start
talking to therapists. You know, their parents might take them
to a therapist, and the therapists will tell these girls
and their parents, oh, yeah, you are a boy, first
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of all, and to the parents, if you don't affirm
your transgender identity, she's going to hurt herself or kill herself.
And the exact line that they give them is would
you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?
And actually I've said that so many times now, But
every time I say it, it gives me chill because it's
a threat to the parents, saying, if you do not
comply with our ideology, your kid will kill themselves and
(23:28):
it will be your fault. And so these parents love
their kids, they want to do it's best for them.
They don't really know better. You know, maybe they're not
super politically in tune. They're not equipped with the resources,
so they think, Okay, well, the therapists and doctors are
telling me this is best for my kid, I'm going
to do it. And unfortunately, a lot of these parents
should have gone with their gut because in a lot
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of these cases, the parents' initial reaction was right, their
kids should not have done this. And unfortunately, what they'll
do is they'll get the kids started on let's say,
puberty blockers. If they're really young. That just stops your puberty.
It's very it makes a lot of sense, you know,
it's puberty blocker. But what we don't realize is we
don't actually know the full effects of what these puberty
(24:10):
blockers are doing to these kids.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
And I'm not just saying that the so called.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Experts, like the WPAT doctors who just got exposed for
knowing that these things were experimental and hiding it. It
came out recently that they knew that puberty blockers intostosterone
were causing tumors and girls. They knew that puberity blockers
in testosterone were making girls infertile, and they just kind
of didn't say anything because it doesn't fit the narrative.
(24:35):
And so all of these things are experimental, but they're
putting kids on them, and then after the puberty blockers,
they'll put them on testosterone if they're girl, or astrogenif
or a guy. And oh my gosh, I could talk
all day about the effects of these things. You know,
we think about surgeries because they're really gruesome and horrible,
But the hormones, they change your muscles, they change your
bone structure, they change where your fat distributes on your body,
(24:57):
You lose hair, you gain hair. You know, the emotional
effects were freaky to me. Some of these girls told me.
First of all, they lost the ability to cry, so
they would feel this intense emotional urge to cry, and
then just nothing would happen, so they couldn't even find
the relief that comes with crying. And for some of them,
they lost the ability to scream, which as a woman,
I don't know if men experience this. As a woman,
(25:19):
I feel like a very common dream is you're running
away from someone, You're trying to scream and you can't. Well,
that's their reality now, that's their their life. So many
other physical and emotional side effects. And then once they've
been on the testosterone for a while, which also causes
rage attacks really scary for the girls where they just
you know, they feel really intense rage that they have
(25:39):
to externalize. One girl told me she was covered in
bruises because she was just like punch stings all the
time trying to externalize this rage. So after they've been
on that for a while, the doctors will tell them, oh,
you don't feel better, it's because you need to get
your next step the surgery, and that is the double
mis ectomy. And a lot of girls will do this.
A bunch of the girls in my book did this.
(25:59):
They remove their breasts forever. And what's so sad about
this and crazy about this is they're so naive in
some of these cases that some of these girls think
their breast will grow back, Like they're so lacking and
informed consent that they don't have any understanding of basic
human biology and think, oh, maybe they'll grow back eventually.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We're talking about the book d Trands The True Stories
of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult. Mary Margaret Olahan is
the author. When you see, for instance, State of Florida,
this is a big story right now, State of Florida
says that a judge in the State of Florida says
that the state shouldn't be able to say, hey, teenagers
(26:39):
shouldn't have these kinds of surgeries, and that's that they
should be permitted. Almost no one is telling the story
of kids who are teenagers and decide to transition and
then think, hey, I was just a teenager. I made
a bad choice. I want to go back. Why is that?
And what do these people tell you that you think
it's important for other people out there with teenagers to know.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Yeah, the reason they're not telling us these stories is
because they don't fit the narrative. Every major institution in
our country right now is pushing the gender ideology narrative.
If you look at how mainstream media talks about this,
and even how they're talking about the Florida decision right now,
they'll say that a Florida judge blocked the anti trans law,
(27:23):
or this law banning medical care for trans youth. That
is propaganda language, that's euphemistic language. What we're talking about
here is transgender surgery, hormones and puberty blockers. But you
will never see that spelled out in a headline from
one of these outlets because they've been told by GLAD,
by the HRC, by the ACLU, don't use that language
(27:46):
because it's offensive to trans people. Why is it offensive
to trans people? Because it's too articulate. You're giving people
information that's going to make them vote a certain way
because most Americans don't support this stuff. So I personally
absolutely have a b and my bond for the way
the mainstream media covers this issue, and I think that
they're doing themselves a huge disservice by not just being
plain with us about the realities of this situation. These
(28:09):
stories that I'm telling in my book deserve to be heard.
These are young people who suffered excruciating pain mentally and physically.
They needed help, they were not given it, and instead
they were pushed down this path. And now that they're
speaking out and saying I deeply regret this. No one cares.
These doctors that push them down this path, the activists
that push them down this path, the media figures who
(28:30):
tout trans kids or trans they don't care. It doesn't
fit the narrative. And so the young people I talked
to for this book told me, we exist. We want
people to hear our stories. We don't want them to
just pity us. We want them to look at our
stories and say, Okay, we shouldn't be fast tracking kids
down these gender transitions, and we should be allowing for
multiple perspectives on this. Because if you are like this
(28:53):
judge in Florida and you're going to say, oh, this
law is coming from a anti trans perspective, maybe you
need to pay a little more attention to the picture
at large. This is a very serious issue. It's not
anti trans to care about kids, and we should be
paying more attention to it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
What are the mean when when you look into this
Mary Margan again, the book is d trands true stories
of escaping the gender ideology cult. Medical professionals, there must
be some who recognize how damaging this is and and
the cost to children. Are they Are there more of
them more willing to speak out? Are they afraid they're
(29:32):
going to go after their licenses, and we saw a
lot of that during COVID, for example, where where are
the where's the medical community on this right now?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
So I would say that in general, we're seeing a
lot of cowardice on this front. So many of these
doctors and medical professionals have just remained silent, and you know,
I get it, and to a certain extent, because they
do have their jobs to keep in mind, yes, you
will be canceled for speaking out on this, but there
is hope in this area. Just this week, I believe
(30:02):
it was actually last week, I reported exclusively at the
Daily Signal on this declaration that all of these doctors
and nurses put out saying, we are so far behind
Europe on this. Europe is taking steps to protect kids.
United States medical groups need to get it together and
pay attention to the fact that these procedures are harming children.
(30:23):
And incredibly, this is a declaration that these this group
of doctors and nurses put together. Elon Musk was promoting
it on Twitter and the last time I looked, I
think it has something like fifty nine million views, which
is insane. So that was exciting to me and then also,
there's this doctor in Texas. His name is doctor eton
hein Heim, and he is a whistleblower from a Texas hospital.
(30:45):
And this story has not gotten enough attention. This is crazy.
He's a whistleblower from a Texas hospital who started speaking
out and saying this hospital is transing children and this
is my experience knowing about it. And the DOJ is
now coming after him in prison time for speaking out
about this hospital. So eton Heim is his name. I
(31:06):
think that when we look back on this era, you know,
hopefully when we look back on this era, he will
be one of the figures that stands out as one
of the people who put his body on the line
and said no, I'm not gonna stay silent here, and
he's being persecuted for it. But we do have some
figures that are standing up for kids.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
In this area.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
And I feel like I probably sound dramatic saying we're
standing up for kids in this area, but that's really
what doctor eton Heim and others are doing when they're
saying I'm not going to remain quiet. We are performing
experimental and dangerous procedures on kids and then calling it care.
Even the White House is calling it care. The White
House put out messaging saying that so called gender affirming
(31:48):
care is crucial. They literally use that word for the
health of trans youth. And I like to be a
little bit annoying about this. What they're saying there is
transgender surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers are crucial the health
of trans youth. Well, first of all, we know that's
not true. As a it's a lie. We're finding more
and more recently that these types of things actually are
(32:08):
detrimental to the mental health of kids.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Who would have thought.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
But you know, that's coming from the White House, is
coming from Hollywood, it's coming from corporations, it's coming from
our media. And so I'm thankful to doctors like doctor
Eatonheim and to these doctors. I believe it's an American
Academy of Pediatrics. Something I'm messing with piatricians.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
They just said this is wrong, right, that under eighteens
you shouldn't be getting this.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Exactly, And you know what, that's amazing that they said that,
But also it seems very obvious, right, but they had
this declaration I encourage everyone to read. The whole thing
is super interesting. They lay out all the statistics. They
lay out why we're behind Europe on this, why Europe
has been taking steps to curtail this in European countries
and to protect kids, and how the United States is
(32:54):
honestly backwards when it comes to protecting our kids like this.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The books True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult.
We encourage you to go check it out, make sure
that you read it, share it, and understand it, particularly
if you have teenage kids and their friends that you
might be dealing with some of these issues. Mary Margaret Olihan,
one of eleven Are you the only author of the
eleven so far?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Oh so far?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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claim to be fashion icons. I think that's that's fair,
very fair. We have we do have access to mirrors,
and we are we recognize we're not fashion icon. However, however,
I am surprised at how intense the debate has gotten
over this New York Post story because I weighed in
(35:15):
on this one that the favorite of the early two thousands,
jorts as in gene shorts, are now quote summer's hottest
style trend. I've got to tell you, I'm not a
jorts guy, but it turns out a lot of people
(35:36):
will will die on that hill for jorts. They're big
jorts fans. Where do you come down on this? I'm
very anti jorts.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Insult in the sec has always been that Florida Gator
fans wear jorts. This is one of the things that
would be leveled against the Florida Gator fan base. There
are two trends of late that have come back that
I am one hundred percent opposed to. One is jorts. Second,
but the one that I'm super opposed to, and I
don't know if it's still popular or not, mom jeans. Yes,
(36:05):
high waisted baggy mom jeans. It's an atrosse. Probably the
worst fashion trend of all women. You're being lied to.
This is a bad look, and I know it's Terrorm's here.
It looks terror back eighties jeans. Nobody looks good at them.
This is an awful choice. It's the only thing that
I could say.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I remember when gaucho pants, I believe they were called
oh yeah, kind of like wide legged shorts that go
down past your knees. That was cool for a minute,
and I was like, that looks horrible too. Ladies, stay
away from the giant, wide leg mom jeans.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Big hips, way up top. Not a good look, not
an ideal move. We'll be back with you tomorrow with
more fashion advice.
Welcome in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
I'm in our DC studios Buck in Miami, where the
rain is coming down like crazy. Joined now by someone
who is also a South Floridian. He is Congressman Byron
Donalds from the Great State of Florida. And you were
jealous because I'm in a T shirt and shorts.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, I'm jealous. That's hot. Missing suits her when something
serious is happening. Unfortunately in Washington, we're not doing very
serious things right now.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And you and Buck are both now South Floridians. I
was asking you, because you also grew up in New York,
when did you become aware that there was better weather
than where you lived in New York. So, my wife's
from Michigan. We were talking off the air and she
was like, until she came to the South, she had
no idea that there was places where it wasn't grey
for months at a time. When did you When were
(00:51):
you like, man, this Florida's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh, it was my first winter in college because when
I got to Tallahassee it was still August, it was
nasty hot. I was like, okay, well, it's superhuman here.
Superhuman in New York. It's not really much difference. It's
just a little bit hotter here. Yeah. And then those
winter months came, November came, and it's in Tallahassee. Tallahassee
gets gets cold, yeah, but not like New York. And
(01:15):
I was just like, oh this is this isn't too bad.
Then when I moved to Naples, I was like, oh, shoot,
these snowbirds have this thing completely right. You just change
your change your time period up north, down south, split
the year and you'll be good because the weather in
Naples is beautiful from about November through March. It's just flat, gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Tallahassee is the Albany of North Florida for those who
don't know. So it's, you know, quite a place. I've
actually spent some time there. My in laws live there.
Congress Spirit, so I.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Never thought about it that way. But you are correct.
That is exactly right. Thank you. You are exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So, speaking of Florida stuff, we want to get in
the national scene. Trump the elections obviously all that too.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I hear from some people who know some things that well,
there's a.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Couple of jobs you might be up in the running
four but at some point in the future, would you
be interested in being governor of this great state of Florida.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I would. I would, but a lot of time between
now and then. Look, everybody knows, you know, Governor Disantus,
he's turning out, and so it's gonna be I think,
a free for all for who's going to replace him.
A lot of good people on that list, but you know,
the voters will decide how that's going to go. I
actually don't think it's going to be that big of
a race, honestly, and so I probably all the press
(02:34):
people in Florida like, oh, shoot, did you hear what
he says? You don't think it's gonna be a big
feel I just think that in governor's races, it's it's
different than if you're dealing with a congressional race or
a state house race or something like that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Because it takes so much resources to jump in sources.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's big. It's really it's big money, man. I think
you're talking fifteen the thirty five million dollars or more.
And then you know at that level, people pretty much
much or defined or people have a good understanding of
who people are, and so it's hard to cut through,
So I think I don't really think it's going to
be a big, big field, but I think it's going
(03:09):
to be real competition.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, Buck mentioned a couple potentially governor is up in
twenty six. You're also on the Trump VP list. Yeah,
what has that been like? Because you're around bucking Mind's age,
you're a guy in your early forties. Is that a
crazy process to go through the vice presidential I don't
(03:31):
even know what forms you fill out. I mean I
haven't filled out a form since FAFSA. I don't think
that's anything like this, maybe a bar exam questionnaire, Like
what is that process like?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I mean, look, I'm not going to get into particulars,
but I will tell you that it's you have no control.
You basically are just, you know, doing whatever you've been
doing to to be on that list or for the
President Trump to say, you know what, this person might
be a good person. Let's keep an eye on that person.
(04:04):
So the way I approach it is, I just do
what I've been doing. I don't really think much about it.
I let everybody else talk about it. You know, I've
never really been a never been a surrogate for a
campaign before that's really interesting. And so I just said,
you know what, I'm gonna just work hard at that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And what is that like for people who don't know
what a surrogate for a campaign is, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You're doing well? That is like, you know, the campaign
will make requests for you to do different news stations
or new segments, and so you really just make yourself
available to do that. You know, the campaign will send
talking points that kind of stuff. I pretty much do
what I want though, so you know, it's it's cool,
(04:45):
but I mean, listen, I asked a couple of them.
I'm like, hey, you know, I'm just out here just
kind of free wheeling doing what I want. Are you guys? Okay?
They're like, oh no, no, keep going like you're good.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So we're speaking to Congress and Byron Donald's from Florida,
and as you see all this stuff, Congressman going on
the it's amazing. We're in an election cycle and we're
pretty deep into it. You know, we've got the presidential
debate just a few weeks away. Yeah, we've got multiple
cases still pending against Donald Trump, who is the de
(05:16):
facto GOP nominee. But it seems like you know, we
just talked to Senator Hagerty about this. None of this
legal stuff really seems to be having the impact so
far that certainly I think the Democrats thought it would.
Do you do you see any of that changing or
at the end of the day, anybody who's still thinking
about this, say, in September October, is it going to
(05:38):
be you know, the economy, border crime, the you know,
those kitchen table issues.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That we always hear about every cycle. I don't think
it's really gonna matter at all. And I think the
reason why it's not going to matter is because the
Democrats and the media, I mean they're one and the same.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
They have been pushing this narrative for a year and
a half against you know, the most defined human being
on the planet, like it's Donald Trump is universally defined.
You know who he is, you know what he is,
you know what he's not. And so they've been pushing
this constant narrative, even if you go back to twenty
(06:13):
sixteen about you know, he's a Russian agent or oh no,
he's corrupt, or oh no, he's impeded. All this craziness.
There's always been this media driven, Democrat driven chaos, and
so people are just looking at it like, oh, well,
it's just one more thing to them, because it's really
(06:34):
all become white noise at this point, and so people
are seeing through it. It's not even something that bothers
them anymore. And then the people who actually dig into
this stuff realize it's just political and it's just persecution
and anything that sucks, anything it's disgusting. And I think
that goes to the two hundred million dollars that he
raised right after the verdict in Lower Manhattan because people
(06:55):
know it's bs and so it's not gonna matter, it's
not gonna a play in. And then when you add
in Joe Biden, you know, I call him the Master
of Disaster. That's who he is. The thing just his
presidency has been awful, and you look at the outcomes
of his presidency, people already upset, and then they see
that they just still can't get Donald Trump. You know,
(07:19):
they just can't get away from him. They have Trump
Derangement syndrome, and I think people are going to largely
ignore the cases.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So, speaking for my colleague here or on an issue
that he brings up pretty regularly, Congressman Clay has thought
for some time or has pointed to the polls which
we agree show this. But there's a possibility that Trump
may outperform with young black male voters in this election.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
We actually have a steak bet on this, so you know,
we got a bunch of steak bets. So I'm curious
how you would break this down. But yes, well, first
of all, what kind of stick will be talking about
the highest how can I get Can I get him
on this action? Maybe? So it depends on what your answer.
Welcome clear ethics first. Yeah, all right, So the question
(08:10):
Buck's asking because I think you're going to be on
his side on one of these, because we were talking
about off air. But let's start with this one. I
think that there are going to be a lot of
black men in particular who are open to voting Trump
that haven't been in the past. And our bet is
I think twenty five percent of black men voters are
going to support Donald Trump overall overall twenty.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
He says Trump in this election. I say, I would
love it, Congressman, but I do not see that happening.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh I see that happening. I'm with Yeah, I'm with
you on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Clay he's with you on Clay.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So let me explain a couple of two things, really
two simple things. First, Biden's been Biden has put serious
uh pressure and pain on the of a man. Yeah,
everything's more expensive. I'm not making enough money to catch up.
I was doing much better when Trump Trump was in
(09:09):
office than I am with Biden. That the MSNBC did
it a couple of months ago, that barbershop talk, and
the guys were like, man, we've only known two presidents,
and he's been better. That's a real thing. Like it's real.
It's not it's not a mirage. It's not just something
that popped up in Poland. Second thing is this gender
(09:30):
fluidity mess that the Dems constantly push Black men in
our country. Ain't for that. They're just not for that.
They want their sons to be sons. They want their
sons to grow up to be men. They want their
daughters to be ladies and women. They want them to
grow up to become women. They're not with all of
that stuff. They respect, they respect people who might be
(09:53):
lesbian or gay, bisexual, whatever, but they're not with this
whole puberty blocker. You're not gonna tell me what my
child is saying in school mess they are not for that.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Or girls having to compete against dudes pretending to be
girls really not for that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And so those are the two things. While you're seeing
that shift, immigration is now popped into that because with
immigration they're saying, well, wait a minute, I'm doing everything
I can to build myself. And then you're gonna let
people just come in by the millions and just hand
them stuff that's not sitting well with them either. And
(10:29):
the immigration piece is what's starting to have some black
women say wait a minute. So it's a real thing.
My friend Wesley Hunt and who's on Capitol Hill with
me out of Texas, Wesley and I talk about this.
I got that that mess in Philadelphia where the Democrats
or gaslight in the line about me, that's all Wesley's fault.
I'm gonna blame Wesley.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
On National You don't know that story. What happened.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We were in Philadelphia at a black outreach event in Philly,
and in that in that time, we were talking just
about economics, and then families came up. Actually, a black
woman sitting in the front row got up and started
talking about her family history and what she wanted the
things that went on in her life and what she
(11:13):
wanted to see going forward. Wesley started talking about his
family makeup and his family background, and then I started
talking about mine, and it was three different stories. We're
all black people, but it was just three different stories.
And so then I just went into the talking about
how yes, Yes, Al Sharpton and Hakeem Jeffreys and the
Biden campaign. During the Jim Crow era, which was terrible
(11:34):
for black people, the black family was far more together,
far more united, and a lot of respects because they
had to be to fight the oppression they were dealing with.
But when we were having this conversation in Philly, we're
just having a it was a room about one hundred
black people. We were just in there, just talking, having
a good time, and it came up and so they
took that to say that, oh, I thought Jim Crow
was great. Yeah, it's the stupidest thing I ever heard
(11:56):
in my life. I mean, these people acted like I
want to beatle juice to appear and it's so dumb.
But this is the gas lighting in the line that
happens in politics. And that's another thing that black men
in particular, but people in our country are starting to
reject is the gas lighting, the race bating, the lying,
the politicizing of comments and of certain topics to distract
(12:20):
from what's really happening in the country. So to your point,
the twenty five percent, I think that's real. I think
it's very real. And if through campaigns and see how
this thing goes, if you can move that to thirty percent, oh,
this thing's over.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, it's definitely over because the key states are effectively
going to be determined by white working class voters and
black voters. That's it, right, Like overall is demographic all
black voters and then white working class voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin.
Just based on the numbers, there are a lot of
Latino voters voters, but not as many in those key
(12:56):
swing states. So if Trump gets twenty five percent of
the or hire of the black mail vote, if he
even got into what probably fifteen or twenty percent of
the overall black vote, the election's over.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
At fifteen percent of the overall black vote, It's it's
pretty much game, set match. I think the one thing
that's important in this election cycle as a Republican that
I got to make sure I put out there to
my colleagues and also all the consultants who may or
may not be listening. Just because you have a segment
of black voters who are disaffected and pissed off with
(13:29):
Joe Biden, that does not mean that they're now voting Republican.
That could mean they're just going to stay home and
not vote, or they might go third party. So the
work that needs to be done by Republicans to move
those voters into our column, which is the real work
that needs to be happening over the next couple months.
(13:50):
If you could do that, that's when you start talking
about it could really be twenty five. You could be
plus twenty percent of the black vote overall.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Aaron Donald, appreciate you being with us. And if you
and Clay go out for drinks, please keep him out
of trouble. And I'm sorry you're gonna have to loan
him a blazer and a tie. You know, he's dressed
like he's on a Jerry Garcia on tour or something.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And by the way, to give Buck credit, you don't
think that they're gonna drop Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
No, I don't think they're gonna jop thro I don't
think Joe stands. Yep, that's real quick. All I'll say is,
and I know you guys gotta pay bills. It's not
even so much about Joe anymore. Is that nobody else
has his level of name id. Yeah, so now you
got to explain a whole new person to the Democrat side.
The Democrat voters in America, they already have voter apathy
(14:40):
problems today. I think he stays. I don't think he's
going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
They'll vote for the name, even if the guy doesn't
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Speaker 3 (16:06):
Welcome back in team. We're gonna be joined here by
our friend Mary Margaret Olahan and just as I could
talk about her both d trans but any way, Clay,
I thought we had some very interesting exchanges there with
the Congressman Donald's.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
For one, he's just like, yeah, I could be a governor.
Sounds cool. I like that.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Just it's so refreshing to have a politician who's like, yeah,
in the future, I might go for a you know,
go for a different job, you know, not.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Actually answering questions as opposed to be and like, like,
I like Glenn Youngkin, but man, yesterday he was you know,
you know what's amazing is the focus on Virginia that
doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Anything to do with your question. I'm like, I love
this guy. Man, he's such a nice so smooth, such
a nice guy. But anyway, Congressman Donald's is just like, yeah,
I think the governorship would be a good thing for me,
So something to it and maybe.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
The VP I mean. And by the way, I told
him that, I because he wanted to say it as
he was leaving. If you like Byron and the action
has been fabulous to him. And we'll take some calls
before the end of the show about that interview and
also Bill Haggerty. But Byrondonald's dot com is his website.
We usually get politicians to give out their website. If
you would like to donate Byron Donald's dot com is
(17:16):
is his website, and certainly either for the VP or
maybe the governor of Florida, and certainly he's a congressman
right now. But I he liked me on one. I
thought he was great on the percentage of blackmail voters.
I think he's wrong on Biden. But nobody's perfect. Yeah,
we'll see, We'll see about that one.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I guess you have to figure out, you know how
we do say, let's cancel out, cancel out in time
if they go in both directions. So well, like I said,
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm in DC.
Buck is in Miami. I am joined now by Mary
Margaret Olahan, who just had her book release party in Washington, DC.
The book is d trans True Stories of Escaping the
Gender ideology Cult. My friend Riley Gaines, who works with
me at OutKick, is on the cover giving you a blurb.
(19:11):
She says you are awesome. So that is a good
endorsement so far as I'm concerned. Okay, we're gonna get
to the book in a moment. I encourage you to
all go read it, but I want to start with
we're talking off air. You are one of eleven children, yes?
Or is it the second oldest.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Second oldest, oldest daughter? So I like to think of
myself as the boss.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
All right, So I think the ages are thirty to eleven. Yes,
same mom and dad, same mom and dad. Buck is
one of four and he's like in New York City
that's considered crazy. What was it like to grow up
as one of eleven children?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Oh my gosh, it was so much fun.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
It was just always, you know, we're always having a party,
just cleaning the kitchen after dinner, which we all did,
by the way. I think people think it's probably really
hard to have eleven kids, but the kids do the chores,
so I don't think.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
It's that bad.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So they did on the farms. Your homeschool too, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah, we were homeschooled. So and I'm so grateful to
my mom for homeschooling. Yess.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
She taught me how to read when I was really little.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
So now extra kudos to her that I wrote a book,
because I think that I would attribute that in large
part to my homeschool education. But it was so much fun.
Christmas was so much fun, always a party. We would
literally you know, turn on dance music when we were
cleaning the kitchen and all the little kids are like,
you know, it's like having all these cousins around all
the time. I think was what most people would compare
(20:28):
it to, it's a blast.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well that all sounds like a lot of fun. You
want to like tay kids yourself now too, I do.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
I would love to, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
But I don't know how to make this transition into
your book from there, from all the happiness and joy
of a large and loving family into some of this.
So I'm just going to steer off the highway here
and take us into this. So the book d trans
two true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult. I've
got my copy here holding up for our VIPs they
(21:00):
can see. So in this you're not really you know,
it's not that you're in the role of expert, because
this is what they always try to undermine anyone who
talks with this.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, are you an expert? You've even seen this?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm sure, Mary Margaret, we'll say I can't tell if
that's a boy or a girl. I'm not a biologist.
This is kind of became a meme for a while.
But you're reporting on the stories of people who went
through this themselves. In that reporting, what did you find
that everyone needs to know about?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, so these are the real reported stories of detransitioners,
which are people and in this book young people who
tried to do what we would say is unthinkable to
change their gender. So for many of these people, and
let's just say the girls, they're teenagers, they're going on
social media and they're seeing all these representations of masculinity
(21:49):
and femininity that are really confusing them, because we know
our culture is struggling so much with that nowadays. Anyways,
it's toxic masculinity or toxic feminity. There's no happy, normal,
healthy in between. And so a lot of these girls
told me that they're on social media, they're seeing all
these beautiful women online and thinking, I don't look anything
like that.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
You know, these.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Perfectly sculpted, sexy women who get all kinds of male affirmation.
And these are twelve and thirteen year old girls who
think I don't look anything like that. And then some
of these girls told me they were then you know,
they're being exposed to pornography online and they're thinking, Okay,
this is really humiliated, integrating for a lot of women,
I'm scared of that.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
And then they're being told by.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Gender activists, Oh, you feel like you don't like these things,
you don't like how womanhood is betrayed us because you're
not a girl.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
It's because you're a guy.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
And that's a weird fact pattern that I found with
a lot of these girls, and I was surprised by
because I think a lot of the time we hear,
you know, oh, they were exposed to a lot of
gender content online.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
That's not the whole picture.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
It's a whole confusing cocktail of social media that a
lot of these girls are being subjected to. And so
you know, from that point on, what happens is these
girls say, Okay, I think I'm a guy. They start
talking to therapists. You know, their parents might take them
to a therapist, and the therapists will tell these girls
and their parents, oh, yeah, you are a boy, first
(23:04):
of all, and to the parents, if you don't affirm
your transgender identity, she's going to hurt herself or kill herself.
And the exact line that they give them is would
you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?
And actually I've said that so many times now, But
every time I say it, it gives me chill because it's
a threat to the parents, saying, if you do not
comply with our ideology, your kid will kill themselves and
(23:28):
it will be your fault. And so these parents love
their kids, they want to do it's best for them.
They don't really know better. You know, maybe they're not
super politically in tune. They're not equipped with the resources,
so they think, Okay, well, the therapists and doctors are
telling me this is best for my kid, I'm going
to do it. And unfortunately, a lot of these parents
should have gone with their gut because in a lot
(23:49):
of these cases, the parents' initial reaction was right, their
kids should not have done this. And unfortunately, what they'll
do is they'll get the kids started on let's say,
puberty blockers. If they're really young. That just stops your puberty.
It's very it makes a lot of sense, you know,
it's puberty blocker. But what we don't realize is we
don't actually know the full effects of what these puberty
(24:10):
blockers are doing to these kids.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
And I'm not just saying that the so called.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Experts, like the WPAT doctors who just got exposed for
knowing that these things were experimental and hiding it. It
came out recently that they knew that puberty blockers intostosterone
were causing tumors and girls. They knew that puberity blockers
in testosterone were making girls infertile, and they just kind
of didn't say anything because it doesn't fit the narrative.
(24:35):
And so all of these things are experimental, but they're
putting kids on them, and then after the puberty blockers,
they'll put them on testosterone if they're girl, or astrogenif
or a guy. And oh my gosh, I could talk
all day about the effects of these things. You know,
we think about surgeries because they're really gruesome and horrible,
But the hormones, they change your muscles, they change your
bone structure, they change where your fat distributes on your body,
(24:57):
You lose hair, you gain hair. You know, the emotional
effects were freaky to me. Some of these girls told me.
First of all, they lost the ability to cry, so
they would feel this intense emotional urge to cry, and
then just nothing would happen, so they couldn't even find
the relief that comes with crying. And for some of them,
they lost the ability to scream, which as a woman,
I don't know if men experience this. As a woman,
(25:19):
I feel like a very common dream is you're running
away from someone, You're trying to scream and you can't. Well,
that's their reality now, that's their their life. So many
other physical and emotional side effects. And then once they've
been on the testosterone for a while, which also causes
rage attacks really scary for the girls where they just
you know, they feel really intense rage that they have
(25:39):
to externalize. One girl told me she was covered in
bruises because she was just like punch stings all the
time trying to externalize this rage. So after they've been
on that for a while, the doctors will tell them, oh,
you don't feel better, it's because you need to get
your next step the surgery, and that is the double
mis ectomy. And a lot of girls will do this.
A bunch of the girls in my book did this.
(25:59):
They remove their breasts forever. And what's so sad about
this and crazy about this is they're so naive in
some of these cases that some of these girls think
their breast will grow back, Like they're so lacking and
informed consent that they don't have any understanding of basic
human biology and think, oh, maybe they'll grow back eventually.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We're talking about the book d Trands The True Stories
of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult. Mary Margaret Olahan is
the author. When you see, for instance, State of Florida,
this is a big story right now, State of Florida
says that a judge in the State of Florida says
that the state shouldn't be able to say, hey, teenagers
(26:39):
shouldn't have these kinds of surgeries, and that's that they
should be permitted. Almost no one is telling the story
of kids who are teenagers and decide to transition and
then think, hey, I was just a teenager. I made
a bad choice. I want to go back. Why is that?
And what do these people tell you that you think
it's important for other people out there with teenagers to know.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Yeah, the reason they're not telling us these stories is
because they don't fit the narrative. Every major institution in
our country right now is pushing the gender ideology narrative.
If you look at how mainstream media talks about this,
and even how they're talking about the Florida decision right now,
they'll say that a Florida judge blocked the anti trans law,
(27:23):
or this law banning medical care for trans youth. That
is propaganda language, that's euphemistic language. What we're talking about
here is transgender surgery, hormones and puberty blockers. But you
will never see that spelled out in a headline from
one of these outlets because they've been told by GLAD,
by the HRC, by the ACLU, don't use that language
(27:46):
because it's offensive to trans people. Why is it offensive
to trans people? Because it's too articulate. You're giving people
information that's going to make them vote a certain way
because most Americans don't support this stuff. So I personally
absolutely have a b and my bond for the way
the mainstream media covers this issue, and I think that
they're doing themselves a huge disservice by not just being
plain with us about the realities of this situation. These
(28:09):
stories that I'm telling in my book deserve to be heard.
These are young people who suffered excruciating pain mentally and physically.
They needed help, they were not given it, and instead
they were pushed down this path. And now that they're
speaking out and saying I deeply regret this. No one cares.
These doctors that push them down this path, the activists
that push them down this path, the media figures who
(28:30):
tout trans kids or trans they don't care. It doesn't
fit the narrative. And so the young people I talked
to for this book told me, we exist. We want
people to hear our stories. We don't want them to
just pity us. We want them to look at our
stories and say, Okay, we shouldn't be fast tracking kids
down these gender transitions, and we should be allowing for
multiple perspectives on this. Because if you are like this
(28:53):
judge in Florida and you're going to say, oh, this
law is coming from a anti trans perspective, maybe you
need to pay a little more attention to the picture
at large. This is a very serious issue. It's not
anti trans to care about kids, and we should be
paying more attention to it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
What are the mean when when you look into this
Mary Margan again, the book is d trands true stories
of escaping the gender ideology cult. Medical professionals, there must
be some who recognize how damaging this is and and
the cost to children. Are they Are there more of
them more willing to speak out? Are they afraid they're
(29:32):
going to go after their licenses, and we saw a
lot of that during COVID, for example, where where are
the where's the medical community on this right now?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
So I would say that in general, we're seeing a
lot of cowardice on this front. So many of these
doctors and medical professionals have just remained silent, and you know,
I get it, and to a certain extent, because they
do have their jobs to keep in mind, yes, you
will be canceled for speaking out on this, but there
is hope in this area. Just this week, I believe
(30:02):
it was actually last week, I reported exclusively at the
Daily Signal on this declaration that all of these doctors
and nurses put out saying, we are so far behind
Europe on this. Europe is taking steps to protect kids.
United States medical groups need to get it together and
pay attention to the fact that these procedures are harming children.
(30:23):
And incredibly, this is a declaration that these this group
of doctors and nurses put together. Elon Musk was promoting
it on Twitter and the last time I looked, I
think it has something like fifty nine million views, which
is insane. So that was exciting to me and then also,
there's this doctor in Texas. His name is doctor eton
hein Heim, and he is a whistleblower from a Texas hospital.
(30:45):
And this story has not gotten enough attention. This is crazy.
He's a whistleblower from a Texas hospital who started speaking
out and saying this hospital is transing children and this
is my experience knowing about it. And the DOJ is
now coming after him in prison time for speaking out
about this hospital. So eton Heim is his name. I
(31:06):
think that when we look back on this era, you know,
hopefully when we look back on this era, he will
be one of the figures that stands out as one
of the people who put his body on the line
and said no, I'm not gonna stay silent here, and
he's being persecuted for it. But we do have some
figures that are standing up for kids.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
In this area.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
And I feel like I probably sound dramatic saying we're
standing up for kids in this area, but that's really
what doctor eton Heim and others are doing when they're
saying I'm not going to remain quiet. We are performing
experimental and dangerous procedures on kids and then calling it care.
Even the White House is calling it care. The White
House put out messaging saying that so called gender affirming
(31:48):
care is crucial. They literally use that word for the
health of trans youth. And I like to be a
little bit annoying about this. What they're saying there is
transgender surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers are crucial the health
of trans youth. Well, first of all, we know that's
not true. As a it's a lie. We're finding more
and more recently that these types of things actually are
(32:08):
detrimental to the mental health of kids.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Who would have thought.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
But you know, that's coming from the White House, is
coming from Hollywood, it's coming from corporations, it's coming from
our media. And so I'm thankful to doctors like doctor
Eatonheim and to these doctors. I believe it's an American
Academy of Pediatrics. Something I'm messing with piatricians.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
They just said this is wrong, right, that under eighteens
you shouldn't be getting this.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Exactly, And you know what, that's amazing that they said that,
But also it seems very obvious, right, but they had
this declaration I encourage everyone to read. The whole thing
is super interesting. They lay out all the statistics. They
lay out why we're behind Europe on this, why Europe
has been taking steps to curtail this in European countries
and to protect kids, and how the United States is
(32:54):
honestly backwards when it comes to protecting our kids like this.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The books True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult.
We encourage you to go check it out, make sure
that you read it, share it, and understand it, particularly
if you have teenage kids and their friends that you
might be dealing with some of these issues. Mary Margaret Olihan,
one of eleven Are you the only author of the
eleven so far?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Oh so far?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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(35:15):
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jorts as in gene shorts, are now quote summer's hottest
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Insult in the sec has always been that Florida Gator
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would be leveled against the Florida Gator fan base. There
are two trends of late that have come back that
I am one hundred percent opposed to. One is jorts. Second,
but the one that I'm super opposed to, and I
don't know if it's still popular or not, mom jeans. Yes,
(36:05):
high waisted baggy mom jeans. It's an atrosse. Probably the
worst fashion trend of all women. You're being lied to.
This is a bad look, and I know it's Terrorm's here.
It looks terror back eighties jeans. Nobody looks good at them.
This is an awful choice. It's the only thing that
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I remember when gaucho pants, I believe they were called
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and I was like, that looks horrible too. Ladies, stay
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Big hips, way up top. Not a good look, not
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