June 15, 2024 • 36 mins
Democrats argue that Hunter Biden conviction cancels out Trump's claim that his trial was unfair, ignoring the difference in the cases and juries. FBI rigged the 2020 election by not saying Hunter's laptop was real. Media lionizes Joe Biden in wake of Hunter verdict. Biden freezes at Juneteenth celebration. Will Democrats replace Biden after the first debate? Caller on charging Dems with election interference.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am live
in our Washington, d C studios. Yesterday as all the
news broke, I was touring college campuses with my sixteen
year old, So that continues. We'll dive into some of
(00:22):
the takeaway there. We've got three great guests that are
going to be here in the Clay and Buck DC studio.
Senator Bill Haggerty of Tennessee, who is New York Times
says one of the contenders for vice president. We haven't
heard him talked about a lot Byron Donald's another contender
for vice president, Florida congressman. Both of those guys will
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be in studio with it with us. And then Mary
Margaret Oahan, who has written a really fascinating book called
d Trans True Stories of Escaping the Gender Identity Cult,
and it's particularly relevant because the state of Florida is
trying to keep miners from having gender reassignment surgery and
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a federal judge just struck that down. We will talk
about the stories that she has found of young people
who believed, hey, if I change my gender, I'll be happier,
and they do it, and then they decide they don't
want to be living a trans lifestyle. The rebellion aspect
of this and why Buck and I have been arguing
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for a long time that it's crazy to allow miners
to have these kind of surgeries. But we'll discuss all that.
All three of those guests will be in studio. But Buck,
I was just beginning the college tour process in Washington,
d C. We went around to multiple schools because my
sixteen year old is interested potentially in going to college
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in Washington, d C. Loves politics, loves history, current events, government,
all those things. Probably not a surprise given what his
dad does. And I looked at on my phone and
I have gotten the alert that Hunter Biden has been
convicted on all three felony counts.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You were right on this. This is one where I
wasn't optimistic.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I was concerned that based on the fact that he
had a Wilmington, Delaware jury, even with open and shut evidence,
that this was going to be a crime. That I
was concerned that somebody would get on the jury and
nullify And so I'm cautiously optimistic that a conviction happened
in this case, and I know you talked about it
(02:31):
a little bit quite a bit yesterday, but I had
a couple of big takes that I thought were worthy
of having discussion. I'm curious what you think one and
I haven't hardly seen anybody talk about this.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The jury pool impact here.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Hunter Biden was convicted by the absolute best possible jury
he could have in a city Wilmington, and a state Delaware,
that overwhelmingly has voted for his dad, that is his
home state. Even that jury pool, which was probably the
most favorable jury pool that Hunter Biden could get in
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the entire country, convicted him. There's been a lot of
discussion about Trump's conviction. This is not similar in my mind,
because Trump had the worst possible jury pool in New
York City. My point on this is, if Hunter was
found guilty by this Delaware City jury, then he probably
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would be found guilty almost anywhere in the country, whereas
there's no possibility at all, in my opinion, that Trump
would be convicted by any jury for this business fraud
if it were brought in West Virginia, let's say, or
Wyoming or Alabama, states that Trump overwhelmingly won and that
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are deep red states. There's no way he would have
been convicted. I think that's worth thinking about. Thought, I'm
curious what you would say on this is that there's
real no impact. And I think the polls that are
coming out are showing from the Trump conviction. I think
that there will be no impact from the Hunter conviction either.
(04:13):
But it's a sign of how desperate things are buck
that they are saying, oh, this proves how honest the
jury and American justice system really is. Did you weigh
in on that, because that's the argument they're trying to
spin now now that Hunter has actually been convicted.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes. Well, one thing that we talked about yesterday, so
I say we even when you're not here, it's like
the Royal wee. Like. One thing that was discussed on
our program yesterday was does this make it more likely
that they will be even more extreme or I should
say they will feel more justified in a more extreme
(04:52):
punishment of Trump for New York. You know this is
in the Middle Ages. I say extreme, it would be
incarceration of some kind, you know, some of a minimum
security situation somewhere. I guess it'd have to be Riker's Island,
but I don't know. And they could probably make special accommodations,
you know, because he is running for president and he
has Secret Service protection lifetime Secret Service protection, by the way,
(05:12):
So I think that's a possibility. Uh, the it is.
It is funny also to watch the various when when
the when the Libs have a bad argument clay like,
when they know that their side is indefensible. One of
the tell tales is there are multiple arguments that you'll
hear out there on MSNBC. They're not all in the
same sheet of music because they're not sure how long
it'll last, like how long they'll get away over it.
(05:34):
So what you said, I think is the primary which
just look at how stoic the Biden family is about this,
and and and also look at you know, the the
the grace and the you know, the what's the word there,
the class that they've been using when they when they
look at this. First of all, he's not gonna spend
a day in jail, as we know, He's gonna pardon
his son. But even putting that aside, they are trying
to make the argument as well that he is getting
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worse than normal treatment. Hunter Biden is getting worse than
the treatment that a normal, everyday American would get for
the same conduct because he's the president's son, which is
not just untrue, is anti true. It is the anti truth.
It's the inversion of reality. So that is one take.
Here's my bigger take in terms of what I think
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is the most significant factor here, and I want you
to follow me down. I know we've talked about this before, but.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I think it slams home this argument, and I think
this is the story that should be examined more aggressively,
to the extent there media out there listening, as I
know there often are. Now that we know the government
has introduced the Hunter Biden laptop in totality as an
exhibit and as hardcore evidence of criminal behavior. A jury
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in Delaware has now said we believe that this evidence
is sufficient to convict, and I think the evidence will
also be sufficient to convict in California, which is the
more significant of the charges so far, tax evasion, and
there's virtually no defense for that either. This is where
it gets really important. The FBI took possession of this
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laptop in late twenty nineteen when the New York Post
story with Miranda Devine, which we have talked about with
her A great deal on the show came out in
October of twenty twenty. The FBI one hundred percent knew
that this laptop was real.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
They told Facebook.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Twitter, Instagram, all these different social media companies that they
didn't know if the laptop was real, and that it
had ultimately these hallmarks of disinformation. We know that's a lie.
Someone And this, to me is the most important question
I have about the twenty twenty election. Someone inside the
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FBI intentionally rigged the twenty twenty election for Joe Biden.
Biden not simply saying yes, we believe this laptop is real.
We know it's real. We've had it for a year,
and they allowed all of the censorship. We focused and
this collective royal wee as you said, media general public.
(08:17):
We focused on Twitter and Facebook and their censorship of
The New York Post and all those things. But that
was actually put in motion by the FBI. Someone in
the FBI.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's not some of the code read. It's many people.
I mean, just to be clear, there are how many people.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But that's a conspiracy to rig the election. This happened now,
there's strong evidence of it. We need to know how
it happened, and who made that call? Any again, having
been in these rooms at the CIA where high level
analysis decisions were made, where where it's going to go
right to the president, including for things that were kinetic
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actions in a war zone. Let's say, you know what
are we blowing up?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Right? When you're in a room and those discussions are happening,
you know what happens. Nobody makes the call, Clay, It's
always consensus. You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Reminding you have plausible deniability because somebody doesn't say that
was Jim who said we have to do this.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
The group all makes that decision. And in fact, one
of the big one of the big problems of the IC,
the intelligence community, is that everything becomes so watered down
because of that diffusion of responsibility that there is no responsibility.
And the bureaucracies like it that way as long as
they can maintain their access. The FBI is certainly in
that position. So when you say it, you know you're
(09:32):
right who ordered the code red? It's you know what
group of people in the FBI ordered the code red?
So to speak. I would also say the media. And
this has become increasingly clear. I said this all along
the fifty one intelligence officers. Oh yeah, former intelligence officers.
This has been clear, Clay. They knew they weren't fooled.
That was just the plausible deniability they pretended to cling to.
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They knew it was real. They're not morons. They lied
to everybody because they figure, if we can fool enough
Rubes out there, and you're thinking, oh, the fifty one
intelligence officers sign this, Joe Biden can eke out a win,
and sure enough, Biden's the president. However you think it
went down, Biden's the president.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Okay, if all of that is true, and I believe
it is true. If you're going to argue that Trump
rigged the twenty sixteen election with his payment of Stormy Daniels,
how is there not substantial evidence that those fifty one
intelligence agents and whomever was in the room at the
FBI to make the decision that we're not going to
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tell the American people the truth, which is that this laptop,
which we now know four years later is one hundred
percent real, is one hundred percent real? How is that
not a conspiracy to rig the election?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Because they say that it's a and this is the
classic thing in government as well. They say it's a mistake,
not a conspiracy. We were fooled. We didn't that's a lie.
But this is what they fall back on, and this
is always going to be what they fall back on
on that issue. And I think that there is plenty
of data they've they've done some polling to suggest that
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people might have it might have come out very differently
because the whole bide in pitch right was a restoration
of stability and normalcy. Well, actually, anyone who sees what's
going on with the Biden family, that's the opposite of normalcy,
the opposite of stability. Uh. And and I think that
that might have been a there was a moment of
panic that went through the intelligence community, people who signed that,
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the FBI to your point, Clay, and you know what
the FBI would say, it's not we can't exclude the possibility.
And I'm gonna say this became a thing with the
IRAQ WMD issue as well. It was can you prove
to me they don't have WMD? No, Well, we have
reason to believe they might. So since you can't prove
that they don't, we gotta go right. Same thing with
the FBI. We can't prove that it's not Russian disinformation.
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Therefore we can't leave out that possibility. There's the hallmarks
of Russian disinformation is so vague as to be anything
they mean. This is all propaganda, right, This is all
the way that they try to sway and manipulate public opinion.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But if they can argue that Trump, because he paid
Stormy Daniels, conspired to rig the election as part of
that argument in the Alvin Bragg case, State of Georgia,
everyone that is listening to me right now, in the
State of Georgia that is a DA or works in
the Attorney General's office, why could you not argue, given
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how close the race is in Georgia in twenty twenty,
that all of those fifty one intelligence agents, remember where
they charged nineteen people with trying to rig the election
into with trying to come up with a new slate
of electors the elector's situation. Yes, why could a red
state DA do not do what Fanny Willis did. Now
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that we have all this evidence out there, to the
fifty one intelligence agents as well as top FBI operatives,
charge them because there's because they would be the twenty
twenty election. They would say, now it's something like their
defense attorney. It's not a crime to lie. And in
that context in an editorial newspase, I'm not saying they
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don't have a defense. I'm just saying, if we're in
this new lawfair arena, I think all nineteen people that
Fanny willis, I.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Think you got to pick your lawfair a little bit.
I don't think you can. You don't want to start
bringing one of the challenges that Trump had in twenty
twenty and this is the truth, and we should discuss
it now and get it out there. The real issues
with the election, the stuff that you know, people look
at in Georgia and people look at in Arizona that
got drowned out by some of the more flimsy on
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the evidence out there stuff early on, and once you
start losing court challenges, it's snowballs and judges are just
gonna be less interested in even hearing you, less interested
in seeing it. So I'm not I agree that there
has to be the elevation and the escalation you've you've
talked about. We just want to pick and choose where
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we do it. You've got to find people who have
violated the law in a way that you think you
can prove, or at least you can indict. Now that's
an abuse of power in itself to indict thinking you
can't prove. But Democrats, that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Happens all the time. It's time to fight fire with fire.
So those are my big takeaways. By the way, a
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Speaker 2 (16:03):
Some of the justifications of Biden's behavior, and really the
lionizing the praise of Biden is just remarkable. I think
you need to hear it. I mean, Joe after his
song got convicted, hasn't spent a day in prison, hasn't
paid any fine based on this yet. This is Andrew Weissman,
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who was the political and legal hitman against Trump and
the Mueller probe, saying, well, you know what, I'll let
you hear it from play.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
For if you look at this case, what is the
big picture here? It's not a drug addict who possessed
a gun.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
For two weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It is that you have a president of the United
States who is living embodiment of the rule of law,
even with respec to his only living son. And you
can really can contrast that to the former president's denigration
of the rule of law. Every single time he has
found either guilty in a criminal case or a libel
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in a civil case, including sexual assault and fraud, he
says the systems rigged against him.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I just want to say, Clay Joe Biden the quote
living embodiment of the rule of law. Wow, I mean,
it's just so silly.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I've been doing some reading. I think they were shook
that Hunter got convicted. I think Abbe Lowell and the
fact that they had a Wilmington, Delaware court, I think
that they really thought that they could that Hunter was
not going to be convicted. And I think this was
a real blow to them that he got convicted, because
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this case is comparatively nowhere near as serious as the
California case. And I'm genuinely fascinated to see what their
legal maneuvers are now, because they're in trouble, real trouble.
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Speaker 1 (18:59):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Rolling through the Wednesday
edition of the program. I'm up in DC.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
We got in on Monday night and I took my
son out to dinner and we're walking back and they
had all the White House shut down, and I was
thinking to myself, what in the world is going going
on that you can't walk anywhere near the White House?
And it turned out that they were having the Juneteenth Celebration.
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Did you see the video of Biden at the Juneteenth
Celebration standing next to some guy in like a dress
with a beard, and he's standing there he looks like,
have you seen the old vampire movie Nosferatu, which was
the very first horror movie ever made. Oh sure, Biden?
First of all, the fact that you say oh sure
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is very nerdly of you, because this for out there
who have not seen it, which is like ninety nine
percent of our audience. No s Faratu is like a
nineteen twenty German silent film, German silence. It's like Dracula. Basically,
it's the very first vampire movie, but it's a German
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movie like early it's before they had sound in movies.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Uh, can I celebrate all the classics play?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yes, I just I thought that I might have to
explain it, but of course you've seen it. I'm just
thinking there's probably ninety nine percent of people out there
that are like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
There is a vampire in No s Faratu, which is
again the very first horror movie.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Probably ever made.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And the way the vampire stands because they have made
him basically have claws, he can't really move his hands.
When I watch Biden at some of these events, and
I want you guys to take note of this as well,
Biden is so physically incapable of normal movement that when
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they drug him up, and I do think they drug
him up for these evening events, his body looks like
it's got rigor mortis already set in his hands I
want you to look at the way that he holds
his hands.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He can't actually move.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And the reason why I bring that up is I
was watching that video. First of all, the fact that
they're celebrating Juneteenth, which is a date when Republicans freed
the slaves and they became aware that the Republicans had
freed the slaves. The fact that all these Democrats are
now celebrating Juneteenth, which has now become a federal holiday,
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and I think is going to try to rebrand it
as the real July fourth. I think that's partly what
this is about. So just kind of get ready for this.
But I look at this stuff, and I know I
watched your video yesterday when you did it, have anybody
to counter. I don't think he can run. And I
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am going to die on this hill. And I believe
that he is going to bomb on June twenty bucks
rolling his eyes for but people watching on video. I
believe that he is going to bomb in two weeks
on June twenty seventh. I'm Mark, Mark, He's going to
be so bad on June twenty seventh, no matter what
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they shoot him up with that this ties in with
the hunter Biden pardon, which we both agree Hunter. Biden's
not going to jail, He's going to get pardoned, but
he's going to go ahead and announce that he is
pardoning Hunter, that he doesn't have the mental, sort of
the physical capability of continuing to be president. I think
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he will free his delegates and they will have a
Donnybrook as it were, over who the nominee will actually
be in the Chicago convention in August. That that's what
I think. I look at it the numbers. There are
a bunch of polls out today. They haven't gotten their
boost from the Trump convictions. Now Hunter has been convicted,
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which I think surprised them. I think there is a
quiet panic that is setting in and they are aware
that Biden's gonna lose, and he is going to become
aware of it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I know I'm putting down on the predictions board here, Clay,
because here's what I think is going to happen on
the debate stage.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
First of all, what is an ABC News that's that's
holding this right? Is that right? ABC?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I thought it was CNN? Are we reaing CNN? That's
I can't remember what It doesn't matter, it's going to
be probed me in favor of Biden. That's doing the
deliberate moderating.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They're they're gonna, I promise you, they're going to try
to try to corner Trump on who won the twenty
twenty election. That will be in the first half of
the debate. The probably the first question. I think it'll
be the first question. And for everyone who shouts yes
he did, I would just point out that for the swing,
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middle of the road undecided voters, that's not necessarily what
they want to hear. And Ciana knows that, which is
why they'll ask that question early on. So just remember
that I said this, they're going to try to push
him on that. Biden is going to whatever they and
we found out, thankfully from that helpful doctor, there are
things that he can be given shout out will help him. Yeah. Yeah,
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I think that they'll give him brain roids, whatever that means,
and they'll give him just the right amount so that
he'll be able to get through the debate and the
story will be see, Biden can still see us through
these stormy times. He's proven that he can do it.
The age thing is no longer the factor that they've
been saying it is, and then they try to spend
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the whole summer turning around public opinion. I'm just I'm noting.
That's what I that's what I think. Notice that the
second debate, I think they'll already be I have to
check what's the earliest.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Early September some of you can start to vote, I mean,
which is crazy. So we're like three months away from
some of you being.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Able to cast ballots, right, And so when you think
about the fact that the second debate will be at
a time near early votes are already being tabulated, I think
the chances of that all Biden has to do is
show up and be decent too that if things are
going in his favorite look. I wish what you were
saying is true. We did have a caller yesterday who
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said he thinks it would be Hillary and not Michelle
Obama who and I said, in the highly unlikely scenario
that I still believe it is highly unlikely where that happens.
I do think it's more likely to be Hillary than
Michelle Obama. And I think that you know, the problem
they still have there is Kamala Harris and what would
they do. So we'll see man June twenty seven. I'm
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marking it down. Clay says Biden. We're gonna think he
did a bad job. Like Biden's an idiot. He's always
been an idiot. Now he's just an idiot who has dementia.
So it's not like I'm gonna think or you're gonna
think he did a good job. I'm just saying their
takeaway will be he did enough. That's you'll hear the
phrase he did enough everybody on CNN, on MSNBC, all
over the place. Certainly they're gonna make that argument.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
No matter what he does, they'll say, oh, he was
way better, just like they did with mister Ali.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is with you, You're bringing more people into your black hole.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Ali has joined on poll the New York City Studio Ali,
if you would whether they think they agree with me
on Biden. Here's what I think will happen, Buck, I
think Biden will be a disaster. On June twenty seventh,
he would not be good. Then we go into the
July fourth holiday. I remember at some point we may
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get the immunity ruling from the Supreme Court on the
Trump cases. In fact, we may get it on the
day that they actually have the debate scheduled because I
believe the Supreme Court releases typically opinions on that Thursday,
which would be a blockbuster to land on the day
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of that debate.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
But I think what they'll do is release that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Opinion sometime, meaning the immunity opinion on the president and
presidential immunity from the Supreme Court. Then you roll into
July fourth. I think it'll be quiet over July fourth weekend.
I think the pressure on Biden will grow, and I
think right out of the July fourth holiday, uh maybe
like July eighth or something like that, whatever the math
(27:26):
is the dates there, I think Biden will announce that
he's not going to run and free his delegates to
have an open convention in August.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think, Clay, that this would be the sports equivalent
of you calling in the fourth quarter for the team
to run a two minute drill, get an on side kick,
and score a touchdown. All that's that's you. You're the
odds of this.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Going your way. I'm just I'm just warning you very slim.
And here's here's the other underpinning rationale here. I think
all along the Biden team has been saying the polls
are going to turn and the polls are gonna turn.
Wait till he gets convicted, Wait till people see how
good we do in the debate. I think that when
that is gone at July fourth, you're to your point
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on the on the the voting, you're staring down. Oh
my goodness, nothing has moved. Why is suddenly the elector electorate,
with all these things that have been happening, gonna change
its mind on two incumbents after July fourth, I think
if the numbers haven't moved, and I don't think they have,
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and in fact, they may move in Trump's favor, and
we'll know after that debate whether or not there's been
a you know, seismic shift. If that doesn't happen, Trump's
gonna win. And I think the panic is going to
start to set in, and I think the circles of
support will diminish in a hurry for Biden. That's what
I think is gonna happen over the next three or
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four weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I also wonder how they're going to message the fact
that Biden and everyone in the Democrat media wants to
just hammer Trump as the convicted felon, but the convicted felon,
though I know is beating Biden in every poll in
every swing state, with maybe one or two exceptions. So
what does that say about their guy?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes, And also, I think it gets harder to go, oh,
you're a convicted felon when your son is also because
Trump can just say, yeah, I'm a convicted felon, but
your son's the actual criminal, and he just got convicted
in your home state. I got convicted by a rick.
I think it kind of cancels out. Let me say
this too. I don't want Biden removed. I think Biden
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is going to lose. I think he's an awful candidate.
I think he's been an awful president. There's the possibility
if they go to an open convention that somebody catches fire,
that they pick a very likable candidate, younger than Trump,
more desirable than Trump, that actually goes out and has
a more compelling case to make than Trump, because Biden's
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done a crappy job and he can't get past it.
What they were able to do in twenty twenty was
argue Trump is bad. This new person who you don't
know might be better. The problem is Biden's been worse
than Trump. A new wild card Democrat could have some
appeal that is more challenging than what Trump has got.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
In the studio, Buck, Mike thinks it could go either way.
How is your opinion?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
It could go either way?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Pick a side, Mike. I mean, oh, you know who's
gonna win the super Bowl? You know I could see
it going either way. I mean, come on, Greg's with you,
by the way, I got Ali, You got Greg.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know. Maybe Mike was at the Greyhound Track and
it doesn't want to lose any more change you know
what I mean. He wants to hedge his bets a little.
I could respect that, Mike. What's gonna happen in the game?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You know, the one team's good and the other team's
got Really, anything could happen. You're in the prediction business, Mike.
You're on the biggest radio show in America. You're the
deciding factor. And your answer is it could go either way.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
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We have let's see Dave in Idaho. What's going on? Dave?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Well, Buck, you said. I almost fell over when I
heard you say that lying is not against the law. Wait,
lying's not against the law, but that's not what the
charges would be.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I see, hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, just
I said, lying in an editorial is not against the law. Obviously,
lying under oath there are times and lyings against the law.
I said, lying in the context of an editorial, which
is what they all signed, is not against the law.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Okay, okay, Yeah. What I see here is I see
all this low hanging fruit out there. That conservative red
state Das Missouri is one of them. And he hasn't
done anything yet either though I just heard an interview
with him and he sounds great. But election interference is
what the problem is. So you've got all these guys
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out there, fifty one of them that can all be
brought up on charges of election interference with that is
the evidence, and then you get that out there and
they lose that case.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They're former, I mean, I hate having to make this case,
but they're former government employees. I believe all of them
are former who signed their names to an editorial. How
are you gonna do? But what's what's the crime? I mean,
they're liars, they're disgraceful, but what's the crime?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
All still all still with security clearances, all still informed
on everything that's going on, and knowing you're not going
to convince the public. Maybe you'll convince the Biden voters,
but you're not going to convince the public. That these
guys didn't know what they were doing and that they didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Have any I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
The one who says they were lying and they knew
they were lying. We're just talking to whether this is
what crime? Are you going to charge them with?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Election interpearance?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
My argument is just that's basically the same thing they
charged Trump with in New York. And if you did it,
you would do it in a red state with a
red state DA where the election was close, and you
can argue that their action swung the state right, so Georgia.
To me, the reason why I was saying Georgia is
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to be a place you could bring it is you
mentioned Missouri, and I think that's interesting, But Missouri state
was not a competitive state in the twenty twenty election.
To me, the reason why they brought the case Fanny
Willis did in Atlanta was because it was so close
that there was an attempt to figure out, hey, who
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actually won that race. And that's why they're bringing charges
in Wisconsin, and that's why they brought charges in Arizona
against the lawyers and individuals involved in that case. I
just and I understand Buck's point is I'm looking he's
looking for a conviction. And my thing is, I don't
think there's gonna be convictions in most of these cases.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think it's almost like throwing.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
A brushback pitch, or if your guy gets hit by
a pitch, you throw at him too, and maybe both
of you get kicked out of the game, but you're
sending the message, Hey, we're not gonna let you beat
up on our guys. We're gonna beat up on you too.
And to your point, Buck, the process is the punishment.
You have to get a lawyer, your name gets dragged
through the mud, everybody says you're a felon.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Even if you never get convicted. That has a cost. Man,
you know, I don't know as a strategy. Charging people
with writing an editorial that lied, I mean, that's better
get ready to play to get arrested in California and
New York for our election interference. Like, I don't understand
what we felt.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
If they knew that it was a lie, then the
intent was to lie and influence the election, which is
the next step.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
We could talk about it here.
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. I am live
in our Washington, d C studios. Yesterday as all the
news broke, I was touring college campuses with my sixteen
year old, So that continues. We'll dive into some of
(00:22):
the takeaway there. We've got three great guests that are
going to be here in the Clay and Buck DC studio.
Senator Bill Haggerty of Tennessee, who is New York Times
says one of the contenders for vice president. We haven't
heard him talked about a lot Byron Donald's another contender
for vice president, Florida congressman. Both of those guys will
(00:43):
be in studio with it with us. And then Mary
Margaret Oahan, who has written a really fascinating book called
d Trans True Stories of Escaping the Gender Identity Cult,
and it's particularly relevant because the state of Florida is
trying to keep miners from having gender reassignment surgery and
(01:06):
a federal judge just struck that down. We will talk
about the stories that she has found of young people
who believed, hey, if I change my gender, I'll be happier,
and they do it, and then they decide they don't
want to be living a trans lifestyle. The rebellion aspect
of this and why Buck and I have been arguing
(01:28):
for a long time that it's crazy to allow miners
to have these kind of surgeries. But we'll discuss all that.
All three of those guests will be in studio. But Buck,
I was just beginning the college tour process in Washington,
d C. We went around to multiple schools because my
sixteen year old is interested potentially in going to college
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in Washington, d C. Loves politics, loves history, current events, government,
all those things. Probably not a surprise given what his
dad does. And I looked at on my phone and
I have gotten the alert that Hunter Biden has been
convicted on all three felony counts.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You were right on this. This is one where I
wasn't optimistic.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I was concerned that based on the fact that he
had a Wilmington, Delaware jury, even with open and shut evidence,
that this was going to be a crime. That I
was concerned that somebody would get on the jury and
nullify And so I'm cautiously optimistic that a conviction happened
in this case, and I know you talked about it
(02:31):
a little bit quite a bit yesterday, but I had
a couple of big takes that I thought were worthy
of having discussion. I'm curious what you think one and
I haven't hardly seen anybody talk about this.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The jury pool impact here.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Hunter Biden was convicted by the absolute best possible jury
he could have in a city Wilmington, and a state Delaware,
that overwhelmingly has voted for his dad, that is his
home state. Even that jury pool, which was probably the
most favorable jury pool that Hunter Biden could get in
(03:10):
the entire country, convicted him. There's been a lot of
discussion about Trump's conviction. This is not similar in my mind,
because Trump had the worst possible jury pool in New
York City. My point on this is, if Hunter was
found guilty by this Delaware City jury, then he probably
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would be found guilty almost anywhere in the country, whereas
there's no possibility at all, in my opinion, that Trump
would be convicted by any jury for this business fraud
if it were brought in West Virginia, let's say, or
Wyoming or Alabama, states that Trump overwhelmingly won and that
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are deep red states. There's no way he would have
been convicted. I think that's worth thinking about. Thought, I'm
curious what you would say on this is that there's
real no impact. And I think the polls that are
coming out are showing from the Trump conviction. I think
that there will be no impact from the Hunter conviction either.
(04:13):
But it's a sign of how desperate things are buck
that they are saying, oh, this proves how honest the
jury and American justice system really is. Did you weigh
in on that, because that's the argument they're trying to
spin now now that Hunter has actually been convicted.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes. Well, one thing that we talked about yesterday, so
I say we even when you're not here, it's like
the Royal wee. Like. One thing that was discussed on
our program yesterday was does this make it more likely
that they will be even more extreme or I should
say they will feel more justified in a more extreme
(04:52):
punishment of Trump for New York. You know this is
in the Middle Ages. I say extreme, it would be
incarceration of some kind, you know, some of a minimum
security situation somewhere. I guess it'd have to be Riker's Island,
but I don't know. And they could probably make special accommodations,
you know, because he is running for president and he
has Secret Service protection lifetime Secret Service protection, by the way,
(05:12):
So I think that's a possibility. Uh, the it is.
It is funny also to watch the various when when
the when the Libs have a bad argument clay like,
when they know that their side is indefensible. One of
the tell tales is there are multiple arguments that you'll
hear out there on MSNBC. They're not all in the
same sheet of music because they're not sure how long
it'll last, like how long they'll get away over it.
(05:34):
So what you said, I think is the primary which
just look at how stoic the Biden family is about this,
and and and also look at you know, the the
the grace and the you know, the what's the word there,
the class that they've been using when they when they
look at this. First of all, he's not gonna spend
a day in jail, as we know, He's gonna pardon
his son. But even putting that aside, they are trying
to make the argument as well that he is getting
(05:57):
worse than normal treatment. Hunter Biden is getting worse than
the treatment that a normal, everyday American would get for
the same conduct because he's the president's son, which is
not just untrue, is anti true. It is the anti truth.
It's the inversion of reality. So that is one take.
Here's my bigger take in terms of what I think
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is the most significant factor here, and I want you
to follow me down. I know we've talked about this before, but.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I think it slams home this argument, and I think
this is the story that should be examined more aggressively,
to the extent there media out there listening, as I
know there often are. Now that we know the government
has introduced the Hunter Biden laptop in totality as an
exhibit and as hardcore evidence of criminal behavior. A jury
(06:49):
in Delaware has now said we believe that this evidence
is sufficient to convict, and I think the evidence will
also be sufficient to convict in California, which is the
more significant of the charges so far, tax evasion, and
there's virtually no defense for that either. This is where
it gets really important. The FBI took possession of this
(07:11):
laptop in late twenty nineteen when the New York Post
story with Miranda Devine, which we have talked about with
her A great deal on the show came out in
October of twenty twenty. The FBI one hundred percent knew
that this laptop was real.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
They told Facebook.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Twitter, Instagram, all these different social media companies that they
didn't know if the laptop was real, and that it
had ultimately these hallmarks of disinformation. We know that's a lie.
Someone And this, to me is the most important question
I have about the twenty twenty election. Someone inside the
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FBI intentionally rigged the twenty twenty election for Joe Biden.
Biden not simply saying yes, we believe this laptop is real.
We know it's real. We've had it for a year,
and they allowed all of the censorship. We focused and
this collective royal wee as you said, media general public.
(08:17):
We focused on Twitter and Facebook and their censorship of
The New York Post and all those things. But that
was actually put in motion by the FBI. Someone in
the FBI.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's not some of the code read. It's many people.
I mean, just to be clear, there are how many people.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But that's a conspiracy to rig the election. This happened now,
there's strong evidence of it. We need to know how
it happened, and who made that call? Any again, having
been in these rooms at the CIA where high level
analysis decisions were made, where where it's going to go
right to the president, including for things that were kinetic
(08:54):
actions in a war zone. Let's say, you know what
are we blowing up?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Right? When you're in a room and those discussions are happening,
you know what happens. Nobody makes the call, Clay, It's
always consensus. You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Reminding you have plausible deniability because somebody doesn't say that
was Jim who said we have to do this.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
The group all makes that decision. And in fact, one
of the big one of the big problems of the IC,
the intelligence community, is that everything becomes so watered down
because of that diffusion of responsibility that there is no responsibility.
And the bureaucracies like it that way as long as
they can maintain their access. The FBI is certainly in
that position. So when you say it, you know you're
(09:32):
right who ordered the code red? It's you know what
group of people in the FBI ordered the code red?
So to speak. I would also say the media. And
this has become increasingly clear. I said this all along
the fifty one intelligence officers. Oh yeah, former intelligence officers.
This has been clear, Clay. They knew they weren't fooled.
That was just the plausible deniability they pretended to cling to.
(09:54):
They knew it was real. They're not morons. They lied
to everybody because they figure, if we can fool enough
Rubes out there, and you're thinking, oh, the fifty one
intelligence officers sign this, Joe Biden can eke out a win,
and sure enough, Biden's the president. However you think it
went down, Biden's the president.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Okay, if all of that is true, and I believe
it is true. If you're going to argue that Trump
rigged the twenty sixteen election with his payment of Stormy Daniels,
how is there not substantial evidence that those fifty one
intelligence agents and whomever was in the room at the
FBI to make the decision that we're not going to
(10:34):
tell the American people the truth, which is that this laptop,
which we now know four years later is one hundred
percent real, is one hundred percent real? How is that
not a conspiracy to rig the election?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Because they say that it's a and this is the
classic thing in government as well. They say it's a mistake,
not a conspiracy. We were fooled. We didn't that's a lie.
But this is what they fall back on, and this
is always going to be what they fall back on
on that issue. And I think that there is plenty
of data they've they've done some polling to suggest that
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people might have it might have come out very differently
because the whole bide in pitch right was a restoration
of stability and normalcy. Well, actually, anyone who sees what's
going on with the Biden family, that's the opposite of normalcy,
the opposite of stability. Uh. And and I think that
that might have been a there was a moment of
panic that went through the intelligence community, people who signed that,
(11:31):
the FBI to your point, Clay, and you know what
the FBI would say, it's not we can't exclude the possibility.
And I'm gonna say this became a thing with the
IRAQ WMD issue as well. It was can you prove
to me they don't have WMD? No, Well, we have
reason to believe they might. So since you can't prove
that they don't, we gotta go right. Same thing with
the FBI. We can't prove that it's not Russian disinformation.
(11:55):
Therefore we can't leave out that possibility. There's the hallmarks
of Russian disinformation is so vague as to be anything
they mean. This is all propaganda, right, This is all
the way that they try to sway and manipulate public opinion.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But if they can argue that Trump, because he paid
Stormy Daniels, conspired to rig the election as part of
that argument in the Alvin Bragg case, State of Georgia,
everyone that is listening to me right now, in the
State of Georgia that is a DA or works in
the Attorney General's office, why could you not argue, given
(12:29):
how close the race is in Georgia in twenty twenty,
that all of those fifty one intelligence agents, remember where
they charged nineteen people with trying to rig the election
into with trying to come up with a new slate
of electors the elector's situation. Yes, why could a red
state DA do not do what Fanny Willis did. Now
(12:51):
that we have all this evidence out there, to the
fifty one intelligence agents as well as top FBI operatives,
charge them because there's because they would be the twenty
twenty election. They would say, now it's something like their
defense attorney. It's not a crime to lie. And in
that context in an editorial newspase, I'm not saying they
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don't have a defense. I'm just saying, if we're in
this new lawfair arena, I think all nineteen people that
Fanny willis, I.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Think you got to pick your lawfair a little bit.
I don't think you can. You don't want to start
bringing one of the challenges that Trump had in twenty
twenty and this is the truth, and we should discuss
it now and get it out there. The real issues
with the election, the stuff that you know, people look
at in Georgia and people look at in Arizona that
got drowned out by some of the more flimsy on
(13:42):
the evidence out there stuff early on, and once you
start losing court challenges, it's snowballs and judges are just
gonna be less interested in even hearing you, less interested
in seeing it. So I'm not I agree that there
has to be the elevation and the escalation you've you've
talked about. We just want to pick and choose where
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we do it. You've got to find people who have
violated the law in a way that you think you
can prove, or at least you can indict. Now that's
an abuse of power in itself to indict thinking you
can't prove. But Democrats, that.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Happens all the time. It's time to fight fire with fire.
So those are my big takeaways. By the way, a
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Speaker 2 (16:03):
Some of the justifications of Biden's behavior, and really the
lionizing the praise of Biden is just remarkable. I think
you need to hear it. I mean, Joe after his
song got convicted, hasn't spent a day in prison, hasn't
paid any fine based on this yet. This is Andrew Weissman,
(16:26):
who was the political and legal hitman against Trump and
the Mueller probe, saying, well, you know what, I'll let
you hear it from play.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
For if you look at this case, what is the
big picture here? It's not a drug addict who possessed
a gun.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
For two weeks.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It is that you have a president of the United
States who is living embodiment of the rule of law,
even with respec to his only living son. And you
can really can contrast that to the former president's denigration
of the rule of law. Every single time he has
found either guilty in a criminal case or a libel
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in a civil case, including sexual assault and fraud, he
says the systems rigged against him.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I just want to say, Clay Joe Biden the quote
living embodiment of the rule of law. Wow, I mean,
it's just so silly.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I've been doing some reading. I think they were shook
that Hunter got convicted. I think Abbe Lowell and the
fact that they had a Wilmington, Delaware court, I think
that they really thought that they could that Hunter was
not going to be convicted. And I think this was
a real blow to them that he got convicted, because
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this case is comparatively nowhere near as serious as the
California case. And I'm genuinely fascinated to see what their
legal maneuvers are now, because they're in trouble, real trouble.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Rolling through the Wednesday
edition of the program. I'm up in DC.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
We got in on Monday night and I took my
son out to dinner and we're walking back and they
had all the White House shut down, and I was
thinking to myself, what in the world is going going
on that you can't walk anywhere near the White House?
And it turned out that they were having the Juneteenth Celebration.
(19:34):
Did you see the video of Biden at the Juneteenth
Celebration standing next to some guy in like a dress
with a beard, and he's standing there he looks like,
have you seen the old vampire movie Nosferatu, which was
the very first horror movie ever made. Oh sure, Biden?
First of all, the fact that you say oh sure
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is very nerdly of you, because this for out there
who have not seen it, which is like ninety nine
percent of our audience. No s Faratu is like a
nineteen twenty German silent film, German silence. It's like Dracula. Basically,
it's the very first vampire movie, but it's a German
(20:16):
movie like early it's before they had sound in movies.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Uh, can I celebrate all the classics play?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yes, I just I thought that I might have to
explain it, but of course you've seen it. I'm just
thinking there's probably ninety nine percent of people out there
that are like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
There is a vampire in No s Faratu, which is
again the very first horror movie.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Probably ever made.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And the way the vampire stands because they have made
him basically have claws, he can't really move his hands.
When I watch Biden at some of these events, and
I want you guys to take note of this as well,
Biden is so physically incapable of normal movement that when
(21:03):
they drug him up, and I do think they drug
him up for these evening events, his body looks like
it's got rigor mortis already set in his hands I
want you to look at the way that he holds
his hands.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
He can't actually move.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And the reason why I bring that up is I
was watching that video. First of all, the fact that
they're celebrating Juneteenth, which is a date when Republicans freed
the slaves and they became aware that the Republicans had
freed the slaves. The fact that all these Democrats are
now celebrating Juneteenth, which has now become a federal holiday,
(21:45):
and I think is going to try to rebrand it
as the real July fourth. I think that's partly what
this is about. So just kind of get ready for this.
But I look at this stuff, and I know I
watched your video yesterday when you did it, have anybody
to counter. I don't think he can run. And I
(22:05):
am going to die on this hill. And I believe
that he is going to bomb on June twenty bucks
rolling his eyes for but people watching on video. I
believe that he is going to bomb in two weeks
on June twenty seventh. I'm Mark, Mark, He's going to
be so bad on June twenty seventh, no matter what
(22:25):
they shoot him up with that this ties in with
the hunter Biden pardon, which we both agree Hunter. Biden's
not going to jail, He's going to get pardoned, but
he's going to go ahead and announce that he is
pardoning Hunter, that he doesn't have the mental, sort of
the physical capability of continuing to be president. I think
(22:45):
he will free his delegates and they will have a
Donnybrook as it were, over who the nominee will actually
be in the Chicago convention in August. That that's what
I think. I look at it the numbers. There are
a bunch of polls out today. They haven't gotten their
boost from the Trump convictions. Now Hunter has been convicted,
(23:07):
which I think surprised them. I think there is a
quiet panic that is setting in and they are aware
that Biden's gonna lose, and he is going to become
aware of it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I know I'm putting down on the predictions board here, Clay,
because here's what I think is going to happen on
the debate stage.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
First of all, what is an ABC News that's that's
holding this right? Is that right? ABC?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I thought it was CNN? Are we reaing CNN? That's
I can't remember what It doesn't matter, it's going to
be probed me in favor of Biden. That's doing the
deliberate moderating.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They're they're gonna, I promise you, they're going to try
to try to corner Trump on who won the twenty
twenty election. That will be in the first half of
the debate. The probably the first question. I think it'll
be the first question. And for everyone who shouts yes
he did, I would just point out that for the swing,
(24:03):
middle of the road undecided voters, that's not necessarily what
they want to hear. And Ciana knows that, which is
why they'll ask that question early on. So just remember
that I said this, they're going to try to push
him on that. Biden is going to whatever they and
we found out, thankfully from that helpful doctor, there are
things that he can be given shout out will help him. Yeah. Yeah,
(24:26):
I think that they'll give him brain roids, whatever that means,
and they'll give him just the right amount so that
he'll be able to get through the debate and the
story will be see, Biden can still see us through
these stormy times. He's proven that he can do it.
The age thing is no longer the factor that they've
been saying it is, and then they try to spend
(24:48):
the whole summer turning around public opinion. I'm just I'm noting.
That's what I that's what I think. Notice that the
second debate, I think they'll already be I have to
check what's the earliest.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Early September some of you can start to vote, I mean,
which is crazy. So we're like three months away from
some of you being.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Able to cast ballots, right, And so when you think
about the fact that the second debate will be at
a time near early votes are already being tabulated, I think
the chances of that all Biden has to do is
show up and be decent too that if things are
going in his favorite look. I wish what you were
saying is true. We did have a caller yesterday who
(25:27):
said he thinks it would be Hillary and not Michelle
Obama who and I said, in the highly unlikely scenario
that I still believe it is highly unlikely where that happens.
I do think it's more likely to be Hillary than
Michelle Obama. And I think that you know, the problem
they still have there is Kamala Harris and what would
they do. So we'll see man June twenty seven. I'm
(25:49):
marking it down. Clay says Biden. We're gonna think he
did a bad job. Like Biden's an idiot. He's always
been an idiot. Now he's just an idiot who has dementia.
So it's not like I'm gonna think or you're gonna
think he did a good job. I'm just saying their
takeaway will be he did enough. That's you'll hear the
phrase he did enough everybody on CNN, on MSNBC, all
over the place. Certainly they're gonna make that argument.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
No matter what he does, they'll say, oh, he was
way better, just like they did with mister Ali.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is with you, You're bringing more people into your black hole.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Ali has joined on poll the New York City Studio Ali,
if you would whether they think they agree with me
on Biden. Here's what I think will happen, Buck, I
think Biden will be a disaster. On June twenty seventh,
he would not be good. Then we go into the
July fourth holiday. I remember at some point we may
(26:40):
get the immunity ruling from the Supreme Court on the
Trump cases. In fact, we may get it on the
day that they actually have the debate scheduled because I
believe the Supreme Court releases typically opinions on that Thursday,
which would be a blockbuster to land on the day
(27:01):
of that debate.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
But I think what they'll do is release that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Opinion sometime, meaning the immunity opinion on the president and
presidential immunity from the Supreme Court. Then you roll into
July fourth. I think it'll be quiet over July fourth weekend.
I think the pressure on Biden will grow, and I
think right out of the July fourth holiday, uh maybe
like July eighth or something like that, whatever the math
(27:26):
is the dates there, I think Biden will announce that
he's not going to run and free his delegates to
have an open convention in August.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think, Clay, that this would be the sports equivalent
of you calling in the fourth quarter for the team
to run a two minute drill, get an on side kick,
and score a touchdown. All that's that's you. You're the
odds of this.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Going your way. I'm just I'm just warning you very slim.
And here's here's the other underpinning rationale here. I think
all along the Biden team has been saying the polls
are going to turn and the polls are gonna turn.
Wait till he gets convicted, Wait till people see how
good we do in the debate. I think that when
that is gone at July fourth, you're to your point
(28:12):
on the on the the voting, you're staring down. Oh
my goodness, nothing has moved. Why is suddenly the elector electorate,
with all these things that have been happening, gonna change
its mind on two incumbents after July fourth, I think
if the numbers haven't moved, and I don't think they have,
(28:32):
and in fact, they may move in Trump's favor, and
we'll know after that debate whether or not there's been
a you know, seismic shift. If that doesn't happen, Trump's
gonna win. And I think the panic is going to
start to set in, and I think the circles of
support will diminish in a hurry for Biden. That's what
I think is gonna happen over the next three or
(28:54):
four weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I also wonder how they're going to message the fact
that Biden and everyone in the Democrat media wants to
just hammer Trump as the convicted felon, but the convicted felon,
though I know is beating Biden in every poll in
every swing state, with maybe one or two exceptions. So
what does that say about their guy?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes, And also, I think it gets harder to go, oh,
you're a convicted felon when your son is also because
Trump can just say, yeah, I'm a convicted felon, but
your son's the actual criminal, and he just got convicted
in your home state. I got convicted by a rick.
I think it kind of cancels out. Let me say
this too. I don't want Biden removed. I think Biden
(29:36):
is going to lose. I think he's an awful candidate.
I think he's been an awful president. There's the possibility
if they go to an open convention that somebody catches fire,
that they pick a very likable candidate, younger than Trump,
more desirable than Trump, that actually goes out and has
a more compelling case to make than Trump, because Biden's
(30:00):
done a crappy job and he can't get past it.
What they were able to do in twenty twenty was
argue Trump is bad. This new person who you don't
know might be better. The problem is Biden's been worse
than Trump. A new wild card Democrat could have some
appeal that is more challenging than what Trump has got.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
In the studio, Buck, Mike thinks it could go either way.
How is your opinion?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
It could go either way?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Pick a side, Mike. I mean, oh, you know who's
gonna win the super Bowl? You know I could see
it going either way. I mean, come on, Greg's with you,
by the way, I got Ali, You got Greg.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know. Maybe Mike was at the Greyhound Track and
it doesn't want to lose any more change you know
what I mean. He wants to hedge his bets a little.
I could respect that, Mike. What's gonna happen in the game?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You know, the one team's good and the other team's
got Really, anything could happen. You're in the prediction business, Mike.
You're on the biggest radio show in America. You're the
deciding factor. And your answer is it could go either way.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Very diplomatic, very Switzerland.
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We have let's see Dave in Idaho. What's going on? Dave?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Well, Buck, you said. I almost fell over when I
heard you say that lying is not against the law. Wait,
lying's not against the law, but that's not what the
charges would be.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I see, hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, just
I said, lying in an editorial is not against the law. Obviously,
lying under oath there are times and lyings against the law.
I said, lying in the context of an editorial, which
is what they all signed, is not against the law.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Okay, okay, Yeah. What I see here is I see
all this low hanging fruit out there. That conservative red
state Das Missouri is one of them. And he hasn't
done anything yet either though I just heard an interview
with him and he sounds great. But election interference is
what the problem is. So you've got all these guys
(34:12):
out there, fifty one of them that can all be
brought up on charges of election interference with that is
the evidence, and then you get that out there and
they lose that case.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They're former, I mean, I hate having to make this case,
but they're former government employees. I believe all of them
are former who signed their names to an editorial. How
are you gonna do? But what's what's the crime? I mean,
they're liars, they're disgraceful, but what's the crime?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
All still all still with security clearances, all still informed
on everything that's going on, and knowing you're not going
to convince the public. Maybe you'll convince the Biden voters,
but you're not going to convince the public. That these
guys didn't know what they were doing and that they didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Have any I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
The one who says they were lying and they knew
they were lying. We're just talking to whether this is
what crime? Are you going to charge them with?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Election interpearance?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
My argument is just that's basically the same thing they
charged Trump with in New York. And if you did it,
you would do it in a red state with a
red state DA where the election was close, and you
can argue that their action swung the state right, so Georgia.
To me, the reason why I was saying Georgia is
(35:23):
to be a place you could bring it is you
mentioned Missouri, and I think that's interesting, But Missouri state
was not a competitive state in the twenty twenty election.
To me, the reason why they brought the case Fanny
Willis did in Atlanta was because it was so close
that there was an attempt to figure out, hey, who
(35:45):
actually won that race. And that's why they're bringing charges
in Wisconsin, and that's why they brought charges in Arizona
against the lawyers and individuals involved in that case. I
just and I understand Buck's point is I'm looking he's
looking for a conviction. And my thing is, I don't
think there's gonna be convictions in most of these cases.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think it's almost like throwing.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
A brushback pitch, or if your guy gets hit by
a pitch, you throw at him too, and maybe both
of you get kicked out of the game, but you're
sending the message, Hey, we're not gonna let you beat
up on our guys. We're gonna beat up on you too.
And to your point, Buck, the process is the punishment.
You have to get a lawyer, your name gets dragged
through the mud, everybody says you're a felon.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Even if you never get convicted. That has a cost. Man,
you know, I don't know as a strategy. Charging people
with writing an editorial that lied, I mean, that's better
get ready to play to get arrested in California and
New York for our election interference. Like, I don't understand
what we felt.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
If they knew that it was a lie, then the
intent was to lie and influence the election, which is
the next step.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
We could talk about it here.
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