August 10, 2024 • 36 mins
Rachel Goldberg-Polin, mother of Israeli-American hostage, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, joins Clay and Buck to tell the story of Hersh and the other hostages of all ages and religious backgrounds being held hostage by Hamas since October 7, 2023. Walz: "One man's socialism is another man's neighborliness." Kamala Harris caved to the vile antisemitic base by not choosing Shapiro.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we've
been breaking down all the news of the day, including
Kamala Harris making her vice presidential pick, which we will
be continuing to talk about quite a lot here in
the third hour of the program. But many of you
out there will recall we're supposed to be in Israel
right now at least i am, and then the trip
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was canceled because of expected attack from Hesbola from Iran.
We don't know exactly when that is going to occur,
but we were scheduled to meet with the parents of
Hirsch Goldberg, Poland John and Rachel in Israel. Hirsh, twenty
three years old, one of the hostages taken on October
seventh from the Nova Music Festival. Even though our trip
(00:43):
was canceled for those security reasons, we still wanted to
make sure we told Hersh's story and remind everybody that
more than one hundred hostages are still being held by Hamas,
including several Americans in that number. We're joined now by Rachel,
Hirsh's mom from Juri Usalem and Rachel. We appreciate you
joining us and sharing your story. How did it happen
(01:06):
that Hirsch was taken captive by Hamas and how did
you come to find out about it? Take me back
to that day on October seventh, if you would and
share with our audience what you experienced.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, thank you so much for the opportunity to tell
you about my only son, Hirsh, who had just turned
twenty three on October third, and so for his birthday,
he and his best friend whose name was Honor, they
both went to this Nova music festival that was happening
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in the south of Israel on October sixth, and early
in the morning on October seventh, very early, the festival
came under attack by Hamas and other militant terrorists and
(02:01):
they ended up killing just at the festival itself three
hundred and sixty seven people. Now Hersh and Honor managed
to escape to a roadside bomb shelter that they ran to. First,
they tried to escape in a car with some other
kids from the festival, and they ended up coming under
great rocket fire. So they were hiding in a roadside
(02:22):
bomb shelter. Hamas gunman came to the doorway and were
throwing in hand grenades, which Honor was standing in the
doorway picking them up and throwing them out, picking them
up and throwing them out. And there were twenty nine
young people who were smashed into this tiny five foot
by eight foot bomb shelter, so you can imagine the
(02:47):
density of human beings who were in that tiny space.
Honor managed to repel seven of those hand grenades. The
eighth one while it was in his hand, it exploded
and killed him. Then Hamas threw in three more hand grenades,
which caused a lot of carnage right away. And then
(03:07):
they just stood in the doorway with all these kids
smashed inside. These gunmen just were machine gun firing into
this tiny little space. So most of those young people
were dead right away. What we heard from some of
the quote unquote lucky ones who were trapped under the
dead bodies, and I call them lucky because they were
(03:27):
covered in so much blood and gore that they could
pretend to be dead. And it is from those eyewitnesses
that we heard what happened next, which is that gunmen
came in. There were four I call them boys because
I'm old, but you know, Hirsh was twenty is twenty three.
I mean that's not you know, a boy, that's a
(03:49):
young man. There were four young men who were wounded,
slumped again the against the opposite wall, and they were
clearly alive. They couldn't ten to be dead. They were
ordered to stand up. They were marched outside. They were
put on a Hamas pickup truck. They headed into the
direction of Gaza. Hersh's last phone cell signal was at
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ten twenty five in the morning from inside of Gaza.
Now at eight eleven in the morning. We normally I
observed the Jewish Sabbath in a very religious way, so
I don't use technology. I didn't have my phone on.
I didn't have a computer, TV, radio, nothing. But we
in Jerusalem were hearing bomb sirens going off, and so
(04:34):
we got into our safe room and after ten minutes
it was just my daughters and I who were home.
My husband was already at synagogue. We were going to
join him in a little bit. When I got out
of the safe room at eight eleven, I said to
the girls, I'm going to turn on my phone, even
(04:54):
though I don't normally use my phone on the Jewish Sabbath,
because I need to make sure that hershe and Honor
are okay. And when I turned on my phone was
when I saw that there were two. I'm actually I'd
like to correct myself. I turned on my phone at
around I think it was eight twenty three. I had
received at eight eleven two text messages from Hersh. The
(05:15):
first one said I love you and the second one
said I'm sorry. And that's how I came to know
something terrible was unfolding. And what was horrible was I
knew that Hirsh knew something terrible was unfolding, And of
course what we came to find out is that he
as this whole attack was happening. One of the things
(05:36):
that happened is Hirsh's dominant arm. He and I are
both left handed. His left arm from the elbow down
had been blown off, and he was texting us, I
think because he thought he was dying. He had just
seen Honor get killed. He had just watched eighteen people
get killed in front of him in this tiny room
of as I mentioned, eight feet by five feet. And
(05:59):
since then we've really lived on another planet. As you
you know, if either of you are parents, or you
can imagine your own mother and father what they would
be going through. If something like this you can even
try to imagine, you know, what they would be going through.
And for the last three hundred and five days, we
have had one moment of proof of life when six
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months in Hamas released a propaganda video of Hirsh clearly alive.
He's reading a script in Hebrew, which we don't speak
Hebrew at home, so it was unusual for me to
hear him doing that. But he looks gune. He looks
very pale. He has bruising on his forehead, and he
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is missing his left forearm, but it is healed. And
that's it. That's all we've had. So imagine any of
your loved ones for three hundred and five days being
held in an active war zone by people who did
this to these young people into so many people who
(07:07):
were caught up in the atrocity of October seventh. There
are still one hundred and fifteen hostages being held. They
represent twenty four different nations. Hirsh, as you mentioned, Hirsh
as an American and in Israeli he's a civilian. There
are eight US citizens who are still being held in
(07:27):
Gaza right now as I'm speaking to you, and there
are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in that group
of one hundred and fifteen people who are still being held,
and you very rarely hear that. You kind of hear
the media representing them as if they are a monolithic,
homogeneous clump of people, which is an injustice because they're
(07:50):
a very diverse group of people.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Speaking to Rachel Goldberg, Poland, she's the mother of Hirsh,
who is a hostage taken all from the Nova Music
festival on October seventh during the Hamas mass terror attack. Rachel,
what kind of updates do you get? You mentioned that
your son, Hirsh is a duel Israeli.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
An US citizen.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
What kind of updates updates can you tell us about
in terms of where the negotiations stand.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh, I wish I knew. I think that because of
the nature of this crazy situation and there are so
many hostages, and I think what I didn't mention is
it's also a very diverse group of ages. You know,
yesterday was Aril's birthday. Aril is one of the youngest hostages.
(08:43):
He turned five yesterday. There is a five year old
being held hostage for three hundred and five days. His
brother Fear is one and a half. He's actually lived
in captivity longer than he lived in freedom, and the
oldest hostage being held is eighty six. Now, because of
so many people, I think the nature of any negotiations
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or conversations that are happening, both you know, in normal
channels and quieter channels, they're not discussing the details of
that with the families. I think it's so sensitive that
they know that it is something that they can't talk
about with us, which is tremendously painful. I mean, we
(09:29):
are living in an ambiguous trauma, a slow motion misery
of trauma that is just it is so exquisitely painful
that it's impossible for me to find words to describe it.
To you.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Rachel, we appreciate you sharing your family's struggle here with
all of us, because I think one of the great
failures of all of this, as you mentioned, there's still
one hundred and fifteen hostages from twenty four countries of
we have a monster audience here in the United States.
They're eight United States citizens. How would you assess Joe Biden,
(10:08):
Kamala Harris and also other Republicans as well Democrats in
terms of if I go back in time based on
what I remember when there were hostages taken in Iran
and Jimmy Carter was in office, it was a massive
story about we got to get the Americans home, We
got to get the Americans home. I understand there are
one hundred and seven other hostages that don't have American citizenship,
(10:31):
but I'm stunned that the eight United States citizens that
have been there for over three hundred days isn't a
bigger story in the United States and in our political discourse.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Are you? Is that frustrating to you?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
How would you analyze the American side of this to
allow eight US citizens to still be held hostage for
this long?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, I think it's a real failure on the part, frankly,
of the media deciding not to cover this the way
that I remember as a child. You mentioned it. I
remember being eight years old and wandering into the living
room one night because I couldn't sleep, and my father
was watching TV, and I said, what's that number on
the screen and who's that man with that huge head
(11:14):
of hair? And it was Ted Copple on Nightline ABC.
Every single night he would have in the corner the
number of days that it was that hostages US hostages
were being held in Iran, and it was the top story,
and there was tie a yellow ribbon around trees, around lampposts,
(11:37):
around telephone polls, and it was a passionate topic for
all Americans, all freedom loving Americans. And that has not
been the case with this and it is a tremendous
slap and failure. Now when you ask about specifically about
(11:57):
the President, the administration, Congress, I do have to give
kudos that they have been very supportive across the isle.
This has been a real bipartisan issue. I have to
say that Senator Lindsey Graham has been very supportive. He
came to Israel three times. He always brings a congressional
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delegation that is spanning the isles, you know, and he
stood up in October he came here and he stood
up with Senator Blumenthal, who is a Democrat, and he said,
we are here because this is a human issue, and
this is an American issue. This is not a Republican
(12:38):
or Democrat issue. And that will remain the case. And
every time we go to Washington, which is about every
three weeks or so, we see people from both sides
of the isle, which is very heartening for us. And look,
I think that this is a very tricky situation. We've
never in the history of war ever had a situation
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where people drag two hundred and fifty one hostages ranging
in age originally from nine months to eighty seven years old,
originally from over forty countries, and have them hiding in
a labyrinth of hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath the city,
with the people who drag them using them as human shields.
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So it's a very tricky. Without me being a military tactician,
it is a very challenging situation, and that's why diplomacy
is critical right now. Happy the deal is critical because
we are not going to be able to save these
people by military going in without losing tons of life
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and probably losing the hostages along the way, as well
as kind brave soldiers who are trying to save them.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Rachel, the prayers of this audience are with you with
your son, and we hope he's returned to you soon,
and we hope the rest of the hostages are returned
to their families as well. I know it's a very difficult,
gut wrenching story. Thank you for sharing with this audience.
People need to know a man.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Thank you so much for having me and I really
appreciate your kindness.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Thank you so much for sharing that story. And many
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Speaker 5 (15:49):
We know who the.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
VP selection for Kamala Harris is today, Governor Tim Waltz
of Minnesota, and a lot of you, as we are
discussing him and getting into who he is in his background,
might be thinking, oh, it's like socialist ned Flanders. We've
talked about Mitt Romney as super rich ned Flanders, but
Tim Waltz is socialist ned Flanders and here he is.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I thought, this is quite a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
One person socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Play it. We can get out there, reach out, make
the case, and for one thing, don't ever shy away
from our progressive values.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Honestly is that makes my blood boil because that's the
problem with a lot of these clay that that encapsulates
for some of these Midwestern states where nice and progressive
are tied together in a lot of people's minds, progressivism
socialism using the force of the state to take people's property,
(16:52):
to redistribute it, to involve yourselves in people's lives as
state authority, well beyond the boundaries of the constitution. That
is not being nice. That is tyranny. But I think
that it's tyranny with a smile. This is the problem, right.
It reminds me of of Jonah Goldberg's very well selling
book Liberal Fascism from a long time ago. That's kind
(17:13):
of what you get from the Tim Waltzes. You get
fascism with a smile, or rather you get tyranny with
how are you doing.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Tim Waltz.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I feel like it's a gift, especially with the connection
to Minneapolis BLM Kamala Harris raising money to bail out
the people who were rioting, looting, and committing crimes. Waltz was,
as many of you listening to us right now all
over Minnesota knows virtually absent in terms of leadership from
everything having to do with the rioting that took place.
(17:44):
To me, this doubles Kamala down on defund the police
and BLM as a force for good. I can't imagine
a worst pick. We'll talk about this in more as
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Now play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines
of Truth. The big news, of course, of the day
is that Kamala Hair has made her choice. Minnesota Governor
Tim Waltz is the nominee, and a lot of people
(19:06):
are reacting to it. We talked about it a lot
in the first hour. We talked about it quite a
lot throughout the course of the program. Back, I just
I look at this and I say, ultimately, this is
the Democrat Party having to acknowledge that being Jewish is
a major, major issue. And I think if Josh Shapiro
(19:29):
had been Christian, if he had been basically anything other
than Jewish, I think he'd be the nominee right now.
And I think this gives you an important crystallizing idea
of who Kamala Harris is listening to twenty four years
ago when Joe Lieberman was the running mate of Al Gore.
(19:50):
I don't remember there being a massive, oh my goodness,
how could the Democrats select a Jewish running mate reaction
across the nation among Democrat voters. It feels to me
like Kamala Harris got bullied out of making the smartest,
most strategic pick in the state that matters the most
to her, which is Pennsylvania, and ended up going with
(20:13):
a guy that she considers to be less threatening because
he happens to be a Christian and from Minnesota, and
buck to me, Minnesota's voted Democrat every year since nineteen
seventy two. I would love it if all of you
voting in Minnesota could flip the state of Minnesota, which
Trump lost by about seven points in twenty twenty, lost
(20:33):
by what like fifty thousand or so votes, I think
in sixteen. So it's been a battleground of sorts in
the last couple of cycles. But if Democrats lose Minnesota,
this race is not going to be close. This is
not a quote unquote typical battleground state. I feel like
we dodged a proverbial bullet here, and this feels very,
(20:55):
very fortunate. I don't think she's going to get much,
if any of a bounce from this Vice president pick
at all. And now the question is, Okay, how does
the Democrat convention come off?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
This to me is a scared pick.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I cannot fathom why they would do this other than
what you've laid out, So that means that I think
that's the likely This is then Oakham's rais Ockham's razor
moment where you say, Okay, so they really just have
so many anti Semites in the Democrat party base now
that they worry. I mean, I think they worry about
(21:32):
about turnout, not just in Michigan as a result of
this too. I think that they can look at some
of the other states where there are especially Muslim non
white Muslim populations that view the Israeli Palestinian or Israeli
Hamas conflict as a primary issue in this election, which
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is remarkable when you think about it, that they are
so upset about the plight of Palestinians not as upset
about the flight of people in Sudan right now, for example,
this isn't about just being opposed to violence or war
or human carnage. This is a tribal affiliation or religious
identification issue for them. They viewed to something of a
(22:16):
religious war. So this is this is not a good
moment for the Democrats. It's the first break in the
Kamala momentum that we have seen since she came. Now,
I'm not saying that's even reflected in the polls, but
I do think in perception it's a hold on a
second moment.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
They they probably will cover this by saying and meaning
CNN and the rest of them will say, well, this
is so that she can have a stronger a stronger
game in Wisconsin and in Michigan. I don't think that
Tim Waltz is necessarily going to do anything for them
in those states. I's a He's kind of a milk
(22:58):
toast guy. He's nothing particularly inspiring or impressive. You know
the guy was you know, he was an athletic coach. Though,
I will say this is one of those moments where
even when you have coached and had to deal with
the reality of men or women struggling on the field
of sports, you can still be a communist. I hate
(23:20):
to say it, but it's true. This guy is a teacher,
is a former member of the He was a non
commissioned officer in the army. He never saw combat, but
he served his country. And you know he's a socialist.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I mean, straight up this guy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
People will say, oh, he's technically not a socialist because
of X, Y or Z. Well that's only because that's
as far as he can take it, right. I mean,
if this guy could tax the rich at eighty percent
of income, and if he could double the size of
well you do all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
He just listened to him. The guy's a comedy.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
To me, It directly connects Kamala And this is maybe
the most devastating part of this and why I didn't
even go.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Back and listen to yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I didn't even want to debut the attacks on Waltz
because I was too afraid that if the attacks started
on Waltz, they would somebody in the Democrat Party would
be smart enough to say, wait a minute, this is
going to tie us directly to Minneapolis, to the George
Floyd protest, to Kamala Harris doing the bailout fund to
(24:26):
defund the police, to mostly peaceful protesters. I don't think
that plays very well at all in the Big ten,
and that is how most people are going to know
Tim Waltz.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
The only way that you can get Waltz and Kamala
Harris as a ticket to win is if you convince
people enough people that both of them are not what
they so manifestly are, which is far left progressives. They
are far progressives, full on, full stop. There is no
(25:03):
ifans or buds. These are two of the most liberal
people you could put on a presidential ticket for the Democrats.
This is clay. This is not far from like a
Bernie AOC ticket or something. I mean, it's really not.
If you look at their policies and what they've done over.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Time, this.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Will be the most far left ticket the Democrats have
run in a very long time.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I'm kind of ecstatic because I think it clarifies the
choice in many ways. I think if you picked Josh Shapiro,
you say Kamala is a moderate compared to the left
in her party. She stood up to them, she was
unwilling to let them dictate who her VP should be,
and she picked the candidate that is in the most
important state, in the most powerful seat.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
How are we wrong?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
What could both of us?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Because when you and I both see it the same way,
I always like to play out in my head, what
is it that we are assuming or we aren't seeing?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I asked that in all honesty.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Like, what what is the It has to be just
on a personality will appeal enough to the the sort
of big ten voter as you put it, is that
is that the thing we might be missing?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
What are we missing?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I think I don't think we're missing it. I think
the polling on having a Jewish vice president must have
been devastating in Michigan. That's the only like they had
to be doing this behind the scenes, and this had
to be a If you put a Jewish vice president
who has been very outspoken in his support of Israel
on this ticket, Michigan is going to collapse. You have
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to pick somebody who doesn't have a strong read on
either of those. That's to me, Waltz, because you're still
doing Midwest. But that that's the I mean again, I
think to your barn Ockham's razor, it has to be
the most logical.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
It is so ugly, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yes, you just put it that way, Yes, I think
that's it ugly, caving to the vile, anti semi girts
of the Democrat Party because you, Joshawapiro, it was kind
of what's up because you can't win otherwise.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
That's that's like, that's what it shows.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Was was doing the whole Uh you know, well, I
believe that about Judaism or about Israel back then, but
you know, he was trying to moderate his Judaism a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You saw the meme.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
He crawled all over himself to try to be like, hey,
I'm sorry, bar Mitz, but in myself, I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
He's like I was thirteen, I had a bar Mitz,
but I didn't know any better. Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You know, these are the jokes that were flying around.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But he went through all that, and and I think
that even in this very short uh this short stint here,
you gotta think Shapiro running his own campaign for president. Now,
good luck with that one, buddy, because the Democrat Party
has shown an ugliness that I don't think he can
get around. I don't think in the next election cycle.
(28:06):
Let's just say Trump wins this one. It's it's this
is gonna be I mean, I can't. I mean, Whitmer
is going to be the formidable female up next if Gretch.
If Kamala loses, Whitmer is the next on deck break,
the ultimate glass ceiling candidate.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Which is why she clearly was never going to be
Kamala's VP.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
But Shapiro, I don't even think you're gonna hear him
being talked about as a top contender again. Assuming Trump wins,
which I don't assume but I do strongly believe he will.
That's where we're heading.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Imagine the reaction in the media if Trump had a
no brain, no brainer, like, hey, you have to take
this guy as a VP finalist, and then he did
it because of the anti Semitic wing of the Republican Party.
I mean, it would be that Charlottesville happens and they
talk about it for years after. This is a hey,
(28:59):
look at your party, analyze it moment for anybody to moderate.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Imagine the conversation if there was a imagine there was
a popular black Republican governor of Michigan.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Okay, yeah, I wish there was.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
By the way, I know I say it out loud,
I'm like, oh God, what could have been. You know,
this would be as imagine, it's a popular Republican black
governor of Michigan and Trump's looking for his VP, and
everyone's talking about how this guy will deliver Michigan for Trump.
No question, it's going to be a huge advantage. Takes
(29:36):
Michigan off the board, and then all the whispers are, yeah,
but there are a bunch of racists in some parts
of the GOP base that so, and then Trump backed
off of it.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It would be a huge It would be a story.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
The media wouldn't just talk about it in this election cycle, Clay,
We'd be hearing about it for the next twenty years. Now,
that is what happened, except with a Jewish Democrat in.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
The Democrat Party. That is exactly a parallel.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I would just say this, did you see the New
York Times has a new poll out It shows Trump
winning Jewish voters in New York State? Did you see
that come out?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Me?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But look forty nine it's close. But I would just say,
and we talked about this a little bit earlier, but
if you're Jewish, if you are Jewish and you are
listening to us right now, or you're Jewish and you
have Jewish family. Given what's going on in Israel, we
all know, and how I would argue that the Biden
team has not been as supportive of Israel as they.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Could or should have been.
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How do you not reconsider your vote when the Democrat
Party's anti Semites are such an ascendancy that they can
speak out loud.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
It's not like they whisper it. They're saying it out.
You can't pick a Jewish guy.
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This is very it's very frustrating because you know, it
should be obvious. A lot of them have been convinced
that actually Trump is the real anti semit.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
A lot of liberal Jews, even though Trump's.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
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his closest advisor in his first term, is a devout Jew,
and Trump's beloved three of his beloved grandchildren are Jewish.
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They think he's an anti Semi.
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This is maybe this is the time your media consider
your preconceptions or misconceptions.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, you're saying.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Without that, without that dynamic, I would believe it more more.
You know, central left Jews would vote, would vote for
Trump this time around, but the media has tried so hard.
You know, that's Clay. Why they talk about they talk
about Charlottesville and the tiki torch idiots, and you know
this is what they do. Yeah, it's It's very frustrating
because I think it's as as I've been discussing.
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I think it's anti truth.
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I think it's not just untrue, it's a I don't
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He agrees with you, Clay.
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What do you say?
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That's the story.
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I do think that I'm infinitely more optimistic today with
the selection of Waltz than I was yesterday. I really thought,
you go back and listen to listen to the show
or read the transcripts. I really thought she was going
to go Josh Shapiro. I thought she was going to
go Josh Shapiro from the moment they elevated her. He
was the no nonsense, completely logical solution. And there is
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an evil component of the Democrat Party now that is
acendant and willing to speak aloud that they do not
believe that Jews should be able to live on Earth
or even defend themselves in Israel. And that's the group
that Kamala Harris is placating here, and I think Americans
are going.
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To see that.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Thanks everybody, We'll talk to you tomorrow, all right, Thanks
so much.
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we've
been breaking down all the news of the day, including
Kamala Harris making her vice presidential pick, which we will
be continuing to talk about quite a lot here in
the third hour of the program. But many of you
out there will recall we're supposed to be in Israel
right now at least i am, and then the trip
(00:22):
was canceled because of expected attack from Hesbola from Iran.
We don't know exactly when that is going to occur,
but we were scheduled to meet with the parents of
Hirsch Goldberg, Poland John and Rachel in Israel. Hirsh, twenty
three years old, one of the hostages taken on October
seventh from the Nova Music Festival. Even though our trip
(00:43):
was canceled for those security reasons, we still wanted to
make sure we told Hersh's story and remind everybody that
more than one hundred hostages are still being held by Hamas,
including several Americans in that number. We're joined now by Rachel,
Hirsh's mom from Juri Usalem and Rachel. We appreciate you
joining us and sharing your story. How did it happen
(01:06):
that Hirsch was taken captive by Hamas and how did
you come to find out about it? Take me back
to that day on October seventh, if you would and
share with our audience what you experienced.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, thank you so much for the opportunity to tell
you about my only son, Hirsh, who had just turned
twenty three on October third, and so for his birthday,
he and his best friend whose name was Honor, they
both went to this Nova music festival that was happening
(01:41):
in the south of Israel on October sixth, and early
in the morning on October seventh, very early, the festival
came under attack by Hamas and other militant terrorists and
(02:01):
they ended up killing just at the festival itself three
hundred and sixty seven people. Now Hersh and Honor managed
to escape to a roadside bomb shelter that they ran to. First,
they tried to escape in a car with some other
kids from the festival, and they ended up coming under
great rocket fire. So they were hiding in a roadside
(02:22):
bomb shelter. Hamas gunman came to the doorway and were
throwing in hand grenades, which Honor was standing in the
doorway picking them up and throwing them out, picking them
up and throwing them out. And there were twenty nine
young people who were smashed into this tiny five foot
by eight foot bomb shelter, so you can imagine the
(02:47):
density of human beings who were in that tiny space.
Honor managed to repel seven of those hand grenades. The
eighth one while it was in his hand, it exploded
and killed him. Then Hamas threw in three more hand grenades,
which caused a lot of carnage right away. And then
(03:07):
they just stood in the doorway with all these kids
smashed inside. These gunmen just were machine gun firing into
this tiny little space. So most of those young people
were dead right away. What we heard from some of
the quote unquote lucky ones who were trapped under the
dead bodies, and I call them lucky because they were
(03:27):
covered in so much blood and gore that they could
pretend to be dead. And it is from those eyewitnesses
that we heard what happened next, which is that gunmen
came in. There were four I call them boys because
I'm old, but you know, Hirsh was twenty is twenty three.
I mean that's not you know, a boy, that's a
(03:49):
young man. There were four young men who were wounded,
slumped again the against the opposite wall, and they were
clearly alive. They couldn't ten to be dead. They were
ordered to stand up. They were marched outside. They were
put on a Hamas pickup truck. They headed into the
direction of Gaza. Hersh's last phone cell signal was at
(04:11):
ten twenty five in the morning from inside of Gaza.
Now at eight eleven in the morning. We normally I
observed the Jewish Sabbath in a very religious way, so
I don't use technology. I didn't have my phone on.
I didn't have a computer, TV, radio, nothing. But we
in Jerusalem were hearing bomb sirens going off, and so
(04:34):
we got into our safe room and after ten minutes
it was just my daughters and I who were home.
My husband was already at synagogue. We were going to
join him in a little bit. When I got out
of the safe room at eight eleven, I said to
the girls, I'm going to turn on my phone, even
(04:54):
though I don't normally use my phone on the Jewish Sabbath,
because I need to make sure that hershe and Honor
are okay. And when I turned on my phone was
when I saw that there were two. I'm actually I'd
like to correct myself. I turned on my phone at
around I think it was eight twenty three. I had
received at eight eleven two text messages from Hersh. The
(05:15):
first one said I love you and the second one
said I'm sorry. And that's how I came to know
something terrible was unfolding. And what was horrible was I
knew that Hirsh knew something terrible was unfolding, And of
course what we came to find out is that he
as this whole attack was happening. One of the things
(05:36):
that happened is Hirsh's dominant arm. He and I are
both left handed. His left arm from the elbow down
had been blown off, and he was texting us, I
think because he thought he was dying. He had just
seen Honor get killed. He had just watched eighteen people
get killed in front of him in this tiny room
of as I mentioned, eight feet by five feet. And
(05:59):
since then we've really lived on another planet. As you
you know, if either of you are parents, or you
can imagine your own mother and father what they would
be going through. If something like this you can even
try to imagine, you know, what they would be going through.
And for the last three hundred and five days, we
have had one moment of proof of life when six
(06:23):
months in Hamas released a propaganda video of Hirsh clearly alive.
He's reading a script in Hebrew, which we don't speak
Hebrew at home, so it was unusual for me to
hear him doing that. But he looks gune. He looks
very pale. He has bruising on his forehead, and he
(06:44):
is missing his left forearm, but it is healed. And
that's it. That's all we've had. So imagine any of
your loved ones for three hundred and five days being
held in an active war zone by people who did
this to these young people into so many people who
(07:07):
were caught up in the atrocity of October seventh. There
are still one hundred and fifteen hostages being held. They
represent twenty four different nations. Hirsh, as you mentioned, Hirsh
as an American and in Israeli he's a civilian. There
are eight US citizens who are still being held in
(07:27):
Gaza right now as I'm speaking to you, and there
are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in that group
of one hundred and fifteen people who are still being held,
and you very rarely hear that. You kind of hear
the media representing them as if they are a monolithic,
homogeneous clump of people, which is an injustice because they're
(07:50):
a very diverse group of people.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Speaking to Rachel Goldberg, Poland, she's the mother of Hirsh,
who is a hostage taken all from the Nova Music
festival on October seventh during the Hamas mass terror attack. Rachel,
what kind of updates do you get? You mentioned that
your son, Hirsh is a duel Israeli.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
An US citizen.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
What kind of updates updates can you tell us about
in terms of where the negotiations stand.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh, I wish I knew. I think that because of
the nature of this crazy situation and there are so
many hostages, and I think what I didn't mention is
it's also a very diverse group of ages. You know,
yesterday was Aril's birthday. Aril is one of the youngest hostages.
(08:43):
He turned five yesterday. There is a five year old
being held hostage for three hundred and five days. His
brother Fear is one and a half. He's actually lived
in captivity longer than he lived in freedom, and the
oldest hostage being held is eighty six. Now, because of
so many people, I think the nature of any negotiations
(09:08):
or conversations that are happening, both you know, in normal
channels and quieter channels, they're not discussing the details of
that with the families. I think it's so sensitive that
they know that it is something that they can't talk
about with us, which is tremendously painful. I mean, we
(09:29):
are living in an ambiguous trauma, a slow motion misery
of trauma that is just it is so exquisitely painful
that it's impossible for me to find words to describe it.
To you.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Rachel, we appreciate you sharing your family's struggle here with
all of us, because I think one of the great
failures of all of this, as you mentioned, there's still
one hundred and fifteen hostages from twenty four countries of
we have a monster audience here in the United States.
They're eight United States citizens. How would you assess Joe Biden,
(10:08):
Kamala Harris and also other Republicans as well Democrats in
terms of if I go back in time based on
what I remember when there were hostages taken in Iran
and Jimmy Carter was in office, it was a massive
story about we got to get the Americans home, We
got to get the Americans home. I understand there are
one hundred and seven other hostages that don't have American citizenship,
(10:31):
but I'm stunned that the eight United States citizens that
have been there for over three hundred days isn't a
bigger story in the United States and in our political discourse.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Are you? Is that frustrating to you?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
How would you analyze the American side of this to
allow eight US citizens to still be held hostage for
this long?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, I think it's a real failure on the part, frankly,
of the media deciding not to cover this the way
that I remember as a child. You mentioned it. I
remember being eight years old and wandering into the living
room one night because I couldn't sleep, and my father
was watching TV, and I said, what's that number on
the screen and who's that man with that huge head
(11:14):
of hair? And it was Ted Copple on Nightline ABC.
Every single night he would have in the corner the
number of days that it was that hostages US hostages
were being held in Iran, and it was the top story,
and there was tie a yellow ribbon around trees, around lampposts,
(11:37):
around telephone polls, and it was a passionate topic for
all Americans, all freedom loving Americans. And that has not
been the case with this and it is a tremendous
slap and failure. Now when you ask about specifically about
(11:57):
the President, the administration, Congress, I do have to give
kudos that they have been very supportive across the isle.
This has been a real bipartisan issue. I have to
say that Senator Lindsey Graham has been very supportive. He
came to Israel three times. He always brings a congressional
(12:17):
delegation that is spanning the isles, you know, and he
stood up in October he came here and he stood
up with Senator Blumenthal, who is a Democrat, and he said,
we are here because this is a human issue, and
this is an American issue. This is not a Republican
(12:38):
or Democrat issue. And that will remain the case. And
every time we go to Washington, which is about every
three weeks or so, we see people from both sides
of the isle, which is very heartening for us. And look,
I think that this is a very tricky situation. We've
never in the history of war ever had a situation
(13:01):
where people drag two hundred and fifty one hostages ranging
in age originally from nine months to eighty seven years old,
originally from over forty countries, and have them hiding in
a labyrinth of hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath the city,
with the people who drag them using them as human shields.
(13:25):
So it's a very tricky. Without me being a military tactician,
it is a very challenging situation, and that's why diplomacy
is critical right now. Happy the deal is critical because
we are not going to be able to save these
people by military going in without losing tons of life
(13:48):
and probably losing the hostages along the way, as well
as kind brave soldiers who are trying to save them.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Rachel, the prayers of this audience are with you with
your son, and we hope he's returned to you soon,
and we hope the rest of the hostages are returned
to their families as well. I know it's a very difficult,
gut wrenching story. Thank you for sharing with this audience.
People need to know a man.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Thank you so much for having me and I really
appreciate your kindness.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
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We know who the.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
VP selection for Kamala Harris is today, Governor Tim Waltz
of Minnesota, and a lot of you, as we are
discussing him and getting into who he is in his background,
might be thinking, oh, it's like socialist ned Flanders. We've
talked about Mitt Romney as super rich ned Flanders, but
Tim Waltz is socialist ned Flanders and here he is.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I thought, this is quite a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
One person socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Play it. We can get out there, reach out, make
the case, and for one thing, don't ever shy away
from our progressive values.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Honestly is that makes my blood boil because that's the
problem with a lot of these clay that that encapsulates
for some of these Midwestern states where nice and progressive
are tied together in a lot of people's minds, progressivism
socialism using the force of the state to take people's property,
(16:52):
to redistribute it, to involve yourselves in people's lives as
state authority, well beyond the boundaries of the constitution. That
is not being nice. That is tyranny. But I think
that it's tyranny with a smile. This is the problem, right.
It reminds me of of Jonah Goldberg's very well selling
book Liberal Fascism from a long time ago. That's kind
(17:13):
of what you get from the Tim Waltzes. You get
fascism with a smile, or rather you get tyranny with
how are you doing.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Tim Waltz.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I feel like it's a gift, especially with the connection
to Minneapolis BLM Kamala Harris raising money to bail out
the people who were rioting, looting, and committing crimes. Waltz was,
as many of you listening to us right now all
over Minnesota knows virtually absent in terms of leadership from
everything having to do with the rioting that took place.
(17:44):
To me, this doubles Kamala down on defund the police
and BLM as a force for good. I can't imagine
a worst pick. We'll talk about this in more as
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Now play Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines
of Truth. The big news, of course, of the day
is that Kamala Hair has made her choice. Minnesota Governor
Tim Waltz is the nominee, and a lot of people
(19:06):
are reacting to it. We talked about it a lot
in the first hour. We talked about it quite a
lot throughout the course of the program. Back, I just
I look at this and I say, ultimately, this is
the Democrat Party having to acknowledge that being Jewish is
a major, major issue. And I think if Josh Shapiro
(19:29):
had been Christian, if he had been basically anything other
than Jewish, I think he'd be the nominee right now.
And I think this gives you an important crystallizing idea
of who Kamala Harris is listening to twenty four years
ago when Joe Lieberman was the running mate of Al Gore.
(19:50):
I don't remember there being a massive, oh my goodness,
how could the Democrats select a Jewish running mate reaction
across the nation among Democrat voters. It feels to me
like Kamala Harris got bullied out of making the smartest,
most strategic pick in the state that matters the most
to her, which is Pennsylvania, and ended up going with
(20:13):
a guy that she considers to be less threatening because
he happens to be a Christian and from Minnesota, and
buck to me, Minnesota's voted Democrat every year since nineteen
seventy two. I would love it if all of you
voting in Minnesota could flip the state of Minnesota, which
Trump lost by about seven points in twenty twenty, lost
(20:33):
by what like fifty thousand or so votes, I think
in sixteen. So it's been a battleground of sorts in
the last couple of cycles. But if Democrats lose Minnesota,
this race is not going to be close. This is
not a quote unquote typical battleground state. I feel like
we dodged a proverbial bullet here, and this feels very,
(20:55):
very fortunate. I don't think she's going to get much,
if any of a bounce from this Vice president pick
at all. And now the question is, Okay, how does
the Democrat convention come off?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
This to me is a scared pick.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I cannot fathom why they would do this other than
what you've laid out, So that means that I think
that's the likely This is then Oakham's rais Ockham's razor
moment where you say, Okay, so they really just have
so many anti Semites in the Democrat party base now
that they worry. I mean, I think they worry about
(21:32):
about turnout, not just in Michigan as a result of
this too. I think that they can look at some
of the other states where there are especially Muslim non
white Muslim populations that view the Israeli Palestinian or Israeli
Hamas conflict as a primary issue in this election, which
(21:53):
is remarkable when you think about it, that they are
so upset about the plight of Palestinians not as upset
about the flight of people in Sudan right now, for example,
this isn't about just being opposed to violence or war
or human carnage. This is a tribal affiliation or religious
identification issue for them. They viewed to something of a
(22:16):
religious war. So this is this is not a good
moment for the Democrats. It's the first break in the
Kamala momentum that we have seen since she came. Now,
I'm not saying that's even reflected in the polls, but
I do think in perception it's a hold on a
second moment.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
They they probably will cover this by saying and meaning
CNN and the rest of them will say, well, this
is so that she can have a stronger a stronger
game in Wisconsin and in Michigan. I don't think that
Tim Waltz is necessarily going to do anything for them
in those states. I's a He's kind of a milk
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toast guy. He's nothing particularly inspiring or impressive. You know
the guy was you know, he was an athletic coach. Though,
I will say this is one of those moments where
even when you have coached and had to deal with
the reality of men or women struggling on the field
of sports, you can still be a communist. I hate
(23:20):
to say it, but it's true. This guy is a teacher,
is a former member of the He was a non
commissioned officer in the army. He never saw combat, but
he served his country. And you know he's a socialist.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I mean, straight up this guy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
People will say, oh, he's technically not a socialist because
of X, Y or Z. Well that's only because that's
as far as he can take it, right. I mean,
if this guy could tax the rich at eighty percent
of income, and if he could double the size of
well you do all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
He just listened to him. The guy's a comedy.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
To me, It directly connects Kamala And this is maybe
the most devastating part of this and why I didn't
even go.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Back and listen to yesterday.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I didn't even want to debut the attacks on Waltz
because I was too afraid that if the attacks started
on Waltz, they would somebody in the Democrat Party would
be smart enough to say, wait a minute, this is
going to tie us directly to Minneapolis, to the George
Floyd protest, to Kamala Harris doing the bailout fund to
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defund the police, to mostly peaceful protesters. I don't think
that plays very well at all in the Big ten,
and that is how most people are going to know
Tim Waltz.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
The only way that you can get Waltz and Kamala
Harris as a ticket to win is if you convince
people enough people that both of them are not what
they so manifestly are, which is far left progressives. They
are far progressives, full on, full stop. There is no
(25:03):
ifans or buds. These are two of the most liberal
people you could put on a presidential ticket for the Democrats.
This is clay. This is not far from like a
Bernie AOC ticket or something. I mean, it's really not.
If you look at their policies and what they've done over.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Time, this.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Will be the most far left ticket the Democrats have
run in a very long time.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I'm stunned.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I'm kind of ecstatic because I think it clarifies the
choice in many ways. I think if you picked Josh Shapiro,
you say Kamala is a moderate compared to the left
in her party. She stood up to them, she was
unwilling to let them dictate who her VP should be,
and she picked the candidate that is in the most
important state, in the most powerful seat.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
How are we wrong?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
What could both of us?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Because when you and I both see it the same way,
I always like to play out in my head, what
is it that we are assuming or we aren't seeing?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I asked that in all honesty.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Like, what what is the It has to be just
on a personality will appeal enough to the the sort
of big ten voter as you put it, is that
is that the thing we might be missing?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
What are we missing?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I think I don't think we're missing it. I think
the polling on having a Jewish vice president must have
been devastating in Michigan. That's the only like they had
to be doing this behind the scenes, and this had
to be a If you put a Jewish vice president
who has been very outspoken in his support of Israel
on this ticket, Michigan is going to collapse. You have
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to pick somebody who doesn't have a strong read on
either of those. That's to me, Waltz, because you're still
doing Midwest. But that that's the I mean again, I
think to your barn Ockham's razor, it has to be
the most logical.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
It is so ugly, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yes, you just put it that way, Yes, I think
that's it ugly, caving to the vile, anti semi girts
of the Democrat Party because you, Joshawapiro, it was kind
of what's up because you can't win otherwise.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
That's that's like, that's what it shows.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Was was doing the whole Uh you know, well, I
believe that about Judaism or about Israel back then, but
you know, he was trying to moderate his Judaism a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You saw the meme.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
He crawled all over himself to try to be like, hey,
I'm sorry, bar Mitz, but in myself, I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
He's like I was thirteen, I had a bar Mitz,
but I didn't know any better. Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You know, these are the jokes that were flying around.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But he went through all that, and and I think
that even in this very short uh this short stint here,
you gotta think Shapiro running his own campaign for president. Now,
good luck with that one, buddy, because the Democrat Party
has shown an ugliness that I don't think he can
get around. I don't think in the next election cycle.
(28:06):
Let's just say Trump wins this one. It's it's this
is gonna be I mean, I can't. I mean, Whitmer
is going to be the formidable female up next if Gretch.
If Kamala loses, Whitmer is the next on deck break,
the ultimate glass ceiling candidate.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Which is why she clearly was never going to be
Kamala's VP.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
But Shapiro, I don't even think you're gonna hear him
being talked about as a top contender again. Assuming Trump wins,
which I don't assume but I do strongly believe he will.
That's where we're heading.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Imagine the reaction in the media if Trump had a
no brain, no brainer, like, hey, you have to take
this guy as a VP finalist, and then he did
it because of the anti Semitic wing of the Republican Party.
I mean, it would be that Charlottesville happens and they
talk about it for years after. This is a hey,
(28:59):
look at your party, analyze it moment for anybody to moderate.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Imagine the conversation if there was a imagine there was
a popular black Republican governor of Michigan.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Okay, yeah, I wish there was.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
By the way, I know I say it out loud,
I'm like, oh God, what could have been. You know,
this would be as imagine, it's a popular Republican black
governor of Michigan and Trump's looking for his VP, and
everyone's talking about how this guy will deliver Michigan for Trump.
No question, it's going to be a huge advantage. Takes
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Michigan off the board, and then all the whispers are, yeah,
but there are a bunch of racists in some parts
of the GOP base that so, and then Trump backed
off of it.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It would be a huge It would be a story.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
The media wouldn't just talk about it in this election cycle, Clay,
We'd be hearing about it for the next twenty years. Now,
that is what happened, except with a Jewish Democrat in.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
The Democrat Party. That is exactly a parallel.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I would just say this, did you see the New
York Times has a new poll out It shows Trump
winning Jewish voters in New York State? Did you see
that come out?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Me?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But look forty nine it's close. But I would just say,
and we talked about this a little bit earlier, but
if you're Jewish, if you are Jewish and you are
listening to us right now, or you're Jewish and you
have Jewish family. Given what's going on in Israel, we
all know, and how I would argue that the Biden
team has not been as supportive of Israel as they.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Could or should have been.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
How do you not reconsider your vote when the Democrat
Party's anti Semites are such an ascendancy that they can
speak out loud.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
It's not like they whisper it. They're saying it out.
You can't pick a Jewish guy.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
This is very it's very frustrating because you know, it
should be obvious. A lot of them have been convinced
that actually Trump is the real anti semit.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
A lot of liberal Jews, even though Trump's.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Daughter converted to Judaism, his son in law, who is
his closest advisor in his first term, is a devout Jew,
and Trump's beloved three of his beloved grandchildren are Jewish.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
They think he's an anti Semi.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
This is maybe this is the time your media consider
your preconceptions or misconceptions.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, you're saying.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Without that, without that dynamic, I would believe it more more.
You know, central left Jews would vote, would vote for
Trump this time around, but the media has tried so hard.
You know, that's Clay. Why they talk about they talk
about Charlottesville and the tiki torch idiots, and you know
this is what they do. Yeah, it's It's very frustrating
because I think it's as as I've been discussing.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I think it's anti truth.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I think it's not just untrue, it's a I don't
think Trump is anti Semitic at all.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
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I'm thinking, I'm like, look, I see the Trump train.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
It's not gonna be easy. I'm not.
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I'm sorry, Tom up. First here, Trump needs to focus
on the issues. There's zero benefit to calling Kamala low iq.
We need to draw in suburban women. Nothing he is
doing now will attract them agree with Clay, economy, border crime,
and wars everywhere, So.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
He agrees with you, Clay.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
We got a lot of emaios saying that, you know,
we shouldn't be sour about things, but this guy's saying, economy,
border crime.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
What do you say?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
That's the story.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I do think that I'm infinitely more optimistic today with
the selection of Waltz than I was yesterday. I really thought,
you go back and listen to listen to the show
or read the transcripts. I really thought she was going
to go Josh Shapiro. I thought she was going to
go Josh Shapiro from the moment they elevated her. He
was the no nonsense, completely logical solution. And there is
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an evil component of the Democrat Party now that is
acendant and willing to speak aloud that they do not
believe that Jews should be able to live on Earth
or even defend themselves in Israel. And that's the group
that Kamala Harris is placating here, and I think Americans
are going.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
To see that.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Thanks everybody, We'll talk to you tomorrow, all right, Thanks
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