November 23, 2024 • 36 mins
Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt talks to Clay and Buck about how his state plans to be at the forefront of President Trump's deportation plan. The definition of deportation has changed since the Clinton years. Elbridge Colby, former U.S. assistant deputy secretary of defense for strategy and force development, joins us to discuss how Trump foreign policy will differ from Biden's. Vibe shift in American sports -- even soccer.
Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back. In second hour of Clay and Buck. We've
(00:02):
got the governor of Oklahoma with us now. Governor Kevin
Stitt is with us. Governor, appreciate you making the time
for us. Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Absolutely great to be with you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
All Right, So we're talking a lot today about the
very prominent and now the media will say controversial. Trump
planned to begin deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster
scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past,
and law enforcement priorities pushing this meaning people who are
(00:38):
criminal illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.
You've unveiled in your state operation, Guardian, tell us about
this program, how it work in Oklahoma as it unfolds,
and also how you plan to have the state work
with the federal government the Trump administration to finally restore
some law and order when it comes to illegal immigration.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Absolutely, Well, first off, I mean, it's just an optimistic
mood in America. I mean you can feel it. We're
going back to law and order. We're going to get
you know, inflation under control, energy permitting, reform, safety across
the world. I mean it's just really exciting to have
common sense back in the White House, and so in Oklahoma,
(01:22):
I mean, it's just total common sense if we have
people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals plus
their illegals, and Oklahoma should you know, have if we've
given these people over to ice under a Biden Harris administration,
nothing happens. So we've obviously got bad guys in prison
because we're a law in order state. But now with
Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to
(01:44):
be the first state to kind of lead by example
to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not be footing the
bill for people that are here illegally number one and
number two, especially people that are that are criminals that
are in our in our correctional facilities. So those are
the first ones we want to tackle. And we wanted
to kind of be a model to other states and
(02:04):
work with the Trump administration and know that now we
have a partner in the White House that believes in
common sense and wants to protect law and order and
wants to protect safety across the country.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Governor, appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you've already seen
a lot of Democrat governors saying we're not going to
work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations.
How do you think that will play out? And how
much of that I think the answer is probably one
hundred percent. Is that often political angling to try to
potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat
(02:38):
nominee in twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.
They can see they're talking from the exact same playbook,
and it was amazing, Like I think the day after
the election, you started seeing you know, the regular folks,
the regular Democratic talking points from all the different governors
talking about we're going to protect our citizens, You're gonna
have to come me, well, I think that they're missing
(03:02):
the point. I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly. Trump got won
the popular vote, three hundred and twelve electoral votes, and
overwhelmingly people want border security, they want a law and
order back in our communities, they believe in safe communities.
We want freedom and education, we want to unleash American energy,
(03:23):
and so again, I don't think the Democrats learned any
frame from that last election. And for them to come
out immediately and say they're not going to work with
the President on law and order. I think they're shooting
themselves in the foot and they didn't learn anything from
Tuesday's election.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Are there sanction I know you're in a very red state,
the governor fortunately, very red state. But I'm assuming it's
possible You've got sanctuary jurisdictions in Tulsa, maybe Oklahoma City.
I mean, is is that a challenge for you in
terms of local and state law enforcement working together on
this issue? Are they on board?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
What can you tell us about that, because I just
I wonder how that stays. Local and federal is going
to all collide or work together on this issue.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, you know, yeah, we're not a sanctuary state at all.
I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city
mayors that'll push back and are kind of squishy on
this issue. But really, what I'm talking about here, and
I don't know how any American and certainly how any
Oklahoma would complain about it. We're talking about people that
are here illegally. Number one and number two, they're also incarcerated.
(04:29):
They're criminals. They're either in gangs, they've had a run
in with law enforcement, they've got busted for you know,
running drugs and fentanyl coming across the border. So we're
talking about that element first. I think that's what Trump's
talking about. And then we need to get them out
of our states, out of our country. And then I
(04:50):
believe in immigration reform. We need to have If somebody
comes to the University of Oklahoma on an education visa
and they get an engineering degree, we want to convert
that to a workforce visa. So if people want to
chase the American dream and pay taxes and be part
of our society and we have jobs for them, we
want to connect the employers with employees. I'm all for
(05:10):
work workforce visas and changing that immigration policy, but we're
talking about the criminal element right now, and that I
don't know how anybody could argue, you're Democrat or Republican,
that that needs to be our out of our country.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
When you look at you mentioned that, you can feel
a major vibe shift. I know Oklahoma is very much
of a Trump Uh. You know fertile ground, right, you
guys win in your state go red by a massive amount.
But I got some stats here for you, Governor. Uh,
this is the latest data in terms of how things
have moved New York moved eleven point five percent towards Trump.
(05:49):
New Jersey ten point two, Florida nine point eight, Massachusetts
eight point seven percent, California eight point four percent. So
for of the biggest states to gain massively in Trump's
support were blue states. I'm curious, do you feel that
when the other governors are starting to talk that even
(06:10):
somebody like Kathy Hochel, for instance, in New York, which
is considered a blue state. Crazily New York is closer
to a red state than Texas or Florida are to
blue states based on the data out there. Can you
feel maybe a vibe shift in terms of how even
those politicians are talking given what happened even in blue states.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know, I really can. I'm the vice chair this
year of the National Governor Association, which is the bipartisan group,
and so behind closed doors when I talk to my
Democratic colleagues, it's very collegial. We've got a good relationship,
and I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes,
we meet stronger borders. And that was what's so perplexing
(06:53):
for the American people. It's why, you know, the Biden
Harris administration was refusing to go back to Trump Arapolosy
these which has remain in Mexico. And so I think
that across the board, you know, the governors at least
understand that we need to have border security. We need that,
and unless they're trying to kind of placate so that
they're you know, left wing part of their party, Uh,
(07:16):
these are these are just common sense things that if
you're truly an American and you want what's best for
our country, you shouldn't be able to argue these these points. Uh.
But it's really exciting. And you look at the uh,
the Hispanic popular the vote went made major gains towards
the Republican Party because I tell people, they're they're concerned
about that, they believe in God and family and their
(07:38):
entrepreneurs and and and they're more concerned about the economy
than somebody's pronouns. They don't want their little girls to
have to be competing with biological mails and sports. I mean,
the left has gone so far the other way that
I think that you saw that in this election, and
so hopefully common sense will return. And I know common
(07:59):
sense is going to return of the White House, and
I hope we're seeing it return to New York and
California and some of these other states and just say, hey,
we want to give the Trump administration a chance, and
I think we want safe communities and we want our
girls to be protected when they play sports and stuff
that we've known in Oklahoma for a long time.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Just speaking to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor, how
many illegals are currently in custody in your state? Do
you have a pretty good firm number on that? And
what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just
to incarcerate them, roughly speaking on a day or monthly basis.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, So you know, I've had our team go back
and look at that. We have I think around twenty
thousand people incarcerated in Oklahoma. There's something I'm always working
on is safe communities, but also want to make sure
that we believe in second chances. So we've done a
lot of work there. But there's five hundred and twenty
six people that should not be incarcerated in Oklahoma because
(09:01):
they're illegals and they broke the law and we're having
to pay for their incarcerations, and so it's millions and
millions of dollars to the taxpayers of Oklahoma. I think
it's I.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Read something just so I read something, and it's almost
forty thousand dollars. Forty thousand dollars too, for each one
of those inmates.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is that correct? I mean for the year, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, So it's going to cost us between twenty to
thirty thousand, don't know the exact number per inmate per year.
And that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers. That's
our state.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers
in your state at a minimum that should not be
just for those who are incarcerated.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That is exactly right, that's correct. So and then you
know it did no good before with the Biden Harris administration.
Is ICE was not doing their job. Under a Trump administration,
we're going to return to the rule of law, and
so when we push those back to ICE, they'll be
returned back to they'll be out of Oklahoma, out of
our country, which will be a good thing. We don't
want the criminal element here. But I also remind people
(10:03):
we need immigration reform, and we need to make sure
we have state workforce visas and we match employers to employees,
and that's good as well if people want to chase
the American dream, and so I think that's important for
people to note as well.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Governor, we know that Barack Obama recently Bill Clinton, Democrat
governors who are a Democrat governor in the case of
Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama,
but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal
immigrants should be sent back. This wasn't considered to be
a political issue. How much do you think this will
(10:41):
become a political issue going forward? We mentioned Democrat governors
are already lining up. Or do you think the fact
that this was standard operating procedure to deport illegals, particularly
illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama was
in office, will that end up ultimately winning the public argument.
How do you see this playing out?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, I think they've gone too far. I don't
see how this is I think Trump has made a
national story. The Republican Governors Association sent a letter, We've
made this a national story. Pushing on border security. I
believe the American people are there that we have to
have strong borders. We have to know who's coming through
(11:23):
our country. We need to have immigration reform. I'll give
you that too, But I don't believe that all of
a sudden in twenty eight the election cycle is going
to flip and all of a sudden American people are
going to vote for you know, the crazy person that's saying, yeah,
let's do open borders. I just don't believe. I think
I think the pendulum is going to swing back to
(11:44):
more normalcy to say, hey, no, no, no. Even Democrats
agree that we have to have border security, and this
is not a winning argument for their side, and if
they keep doubling down on it, I just think it
just shows you how politically blind they are are. Trump
just won overwhelmingly with a mandate to say we're going
(12:04):
to secure our border and we're gonna have safe communities,
and for them to come out day one, I think
it's just very They're All they're doing is just trying
to put themselves as the anti Trump person out there,
and they think it's going to gain, you know, with
the far left part of their party, maybe make them
some kind of hero. But I think long term it's
not it's not gonna work. And and if they keep
(12:25):
running on that playbook, you're going to see the same
type of landside victories that you saw in twenty four
for the for the good.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Guys, Governor State of Oklahoma. Always appreciate you making the
time for us, and we'll talk to you again soon
about how this is all going once it gets to
the implementation phase.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Absolutely, Hey, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You know, there's a nonprofit out there that you can
really count on to do critical frontline work in saving lives,
the Preborn Network of Clinics, and they use your charitable
contributions for this incredible mission of helping to save tiny
babies in womb. You see, Preborn will invite mothers to
be into their facilities and they do it with love,
(13:08):
compassion and care and say, look, let's just before you
make a decision, let's give you a free ultrasound so
you can.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Meet the tiny baby in your womb.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And so often when that happens, the mother decides I'm
going to give life to this child. And then Preborn
will give support through the birth of the child and
then up to two years after the birth of the child, food, clothing, medicine,
job referral service, whatever they can do to help and
to help build this beautiful little family that's growing. They
(13:37):
will do, but it's only possible because of your donations. You,
the pro life community. Preborn isn't planned parenthood. They're fighting
the other side of this battle. They're trying to save lives.
They don't get government funding, they don't get funding from
anybody except for people like you, the pro life community.
Yes we have to change laws, Yes we have to
change hearts and minds. But what can you do today
(13:59):
to help save tiny babies in the womb. This is
where Preborn comes in. One ultrasound is just twenty eight dollars.
One hundred and forty dollars will sponsor five ultrasounds. To donate,
dial pound two fifty on your cell phone and say
the keyword baby. That's pound two fifty say baby, or
visit preborn dot com, slash buck that's preborn dot com,
(14:20):
slash b u c ek. All gifts are tax deductible.
Preborn has a four star charity rating sponsored by Preborn.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Prepping for the holidays, Tune into Turkey Talk now found
in the Clay and Buck podcast feed, on the iHeartRadio
app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in
Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We're just talking with Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt.
We're going to talk with Bridge Colby about the latest
(14:49):
as the Biden administration has okayed the use of further
range weaponry that could reach into Russia. A lot of
you reacting and sharing in about mass deportations. There's an
interesting dichotomy, Buck, Just FYI, so we are seeing this.
The way that they count as basically deportations has changed
(15:13):
over the years. That is, rejecting people at the border
is sometimes counted, sometimes it's not. So some of you
are blowing us up with Bill Clinton. Hey, he actually,
when we're saying deportation, the way we're classifying it now
is putting people on airplanes and sending them back to
their country of origin.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Finding incarcerating, sending back the country of origin. This is
what I was trying to say when you look at
the Clinton years, and I think the Obama administration was
doing this as well, probably the Bush administration too. If
they caught you at the border and turned you back,
or if they just turned you away at a port
of entry, they were considering that a deportation, which is
(15:55):
not very different in terms of resources and everything else.
It's very different ordeal.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What we're saying is Obama around three million flying out
of the country now. Also, many of you out there
will say, and you're right, we never had the number
of illegal immigrants in the country like we do now.
And Buck, I know many of you out there will
remember this. I remember this feeling around about two thousand.
(16:25):
Suddenly there was a massive influx of illegal immigrants in
for instance, the city that I live in, Nashville. I
just remember out of nowhere, early in the twenty first century,
there was suddenly a mass influx of illegal immigrants that
you could notice in a place like Nashville, Tennessee, where
I lived, and it felt very different than it did
(16:47):
in the eighties and the nineties, which, as you pointed out,
and this is important, illegal immigration is different today than
it was then. It used to be, Hey, I'm coming in,
I'm doing a seasonal job. I'm in California. I'm gonna
show up. I'm gonna pick strawberries, for instance, or tomatoes
or whatever it is seasonally, and then I'm going to
go back to Mexico with the money. That doesn't happen
(17:07):
as much. Now it's permanent, and that's why it's a
different level of problem to have to be addressed and
obviously significant. Deporting somebody to Mexico, like we all know,
the geography is a lot easier than deporting them to Bangladesh. Okay,
one is a.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Long plane ride, and you got to arrange all that,
and you know, you got to make sure you got
enough people going to enough places for the plane ride
to be worth it. Mexico if you're setting them back
just to Mexico pretty easy, right, So that's a whole
other thing that you have to take into account with
this as well. When we're talking about what Trump's going
to do with warp speed deportation, maybe they should call
it that operation Warp Speed Deportation. It's going to be
(17:48):
people who are found incarcerated sent back to their country
of origin in planes. If you're looking for a natural
boost to your day when it comes to energy, you
gotta think about chalk daily supplements. They've got healthy ingredients
stuff that you can read on the back of the
label and you'll say, oh, yeah, I know what all
that is. So many benefits for you, including energy, health, vitality,
(18:10):
healthier hormone balance. And by the way, maybe you've got
some inflammation like I do with my need, They've got
stuff for that too. Go online to Chalk dot com.
You'll see a tab shop by benefit and a whole
list of things Chalk can help with. Chalk products also
make great stocking stuffers for the holidays. So if you're
somebody who likes to get a jumpstart on things, go
online now at Chalk dot com Cchoq. Use my name
(18:32):
Buck as your promo code choq dot com for a
lifetime discount and the free surprise gift caller text fifty
Chalk three thousand Now say Clay and Buck sent me.
That's call or text fifty Chalk three thousand five zero
Chalk three thousand. US based customer service team is ready
to go. Chalk great products, go check it out today.
(18:53):
Our friend Bridge Colby joins us once again. He is
a former Pentagon official from Trump's first administration, author of
the excellent book Strategy of Denial. Bridge, great to have
you back on the program. I'm getting people asking me this,
and I I jumped to some pretty dark conclusions about it.
(19:14):
So I'm wondering what you think. Here we are Biden is, yes,
technically the commander in chief, but we all, including Democrats,
know that it's pretty shaky. No, no pot intended with that,
but you know it's no double on Taundra. It's pretty shaky,
and he's having a tough time understanding what's going on
around him. Meanwhile, we're told that he has authorized the
(19:38):
use of American provided long range missile so that Ukraine
can now fire missiles a couple of hundred miles. I've
seen different estimates of how long these will go into
Russian territory to hit Russian batteries. Is this a big deal?
Why is he doing this? What's going on?
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Well, great to be with you, Buck and Client's I mean,
it is honestly both disturbing and bewildering because the bizarre thing,
it's almost like the sort of reductive out of absurdum
of the Biden administration policy, where they're openly admitting in
the New York Times that this is not going to
make that much of a difference, and yet it is
a very significant escalatory step. I mean, it's been talked
about tremendously on the Western side, but also the Russians
(20:21):
and Putin himself have made clear it's a big deal.
But yet you know, the Russians have probably already adapted,
They've moved their forces around. They claimed they shot down
several of the attacks, and apparently both the Ukrainians and
we are low on the attack on stocks. So it's
this kind of, you know, perfect encapsulation of the Biden
symbolism over effectiveness policy, which is really just we can't
(20:46):
get changed soon enough. And I mean, you know, they've
been This is something that I think is really important
to stress here, buck is they have been running policy
on this for obviously the last four years, but certainly
since the beginning of twenty twenty two, in the late
twenty one when this crisis as began, and they've been
working with certain Republicans who supported a maximalist sort of
goals on Ukraine, and I call it the liberal primisist alliance.
(21:09):
And now the Deputy National Security Advisor admitted while while
while Biden was down in Rio that the situation is
extremely difficult and the Russians are willing to up the ante. Apparently,
according to the Levada Center, pulling at life satisfaction in Russia,
including among young people, as an all time high. So
this is just a really bad situation, and they seem
to be making it worse. I think, to frankly, peer pressure.
(21:33):
You know, maybe the Europeans, maybe some of the you know,
sort of the Morning Joe kind of constituency, although even
they are seem to be defecting from from Biden.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
What does a solution, I know, it's like a ceasefire,
a peace agreement in your mind, look like what I
have been reading Bridge and we appreciate the time, is
that it would look something like what I have seen
is a twenty year agreement that NATO is not going
to add Ukraine international peace forces potentially to manage the
(22:07):
border whatever is negotiated as the new border of Ukraine.
Is that kind of where you see this going? And
I also saw a poll today and obviously in the
wake of the election, we know Poles aren't always reliable,
but suggesting that somewhere north maybe fifty two percent of
Ukrainians were ready for this war to be over. Do
(22:28):
you buy in that Trump in the first ninety days
or so can get a solution, And if so, what
does that solution look like?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, look, I don't want to get ahead of the president.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I think he seems to have somewhat his own idea
that he's not tipped his hand, which makes sense from
a negotiating point of view. I would just say, looking
at history, we've got to be realistic and looking at
the situation on the ground, you know, I don't think
we can be expecting that like Crimea is going to
come back, and I think we should be realistic.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And I think the fact that Ukrainians.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Are now looking for an end of the war, but
just objectively, given the enormous humans offering, the fact that
the war's not going very well together means some kind
of ceasefire or cessation of the conflict.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That's realistic, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I mean, these these conflicts tend to end somewhere along
the battle lines as they exist. Unfortunately, the Russians are
making progress, but there's reason to think that the Russians
might not want this war to go on forever. It's
obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem to
be willing to manage. It's making them more dependent on China,
it's closing them off from the Western Europe, so I think,
(23:28):
you know, and Putin has seemed to be at least
open and his lieutenants like Peskov to at least some
you know, hearing out the proposals. And this war has
been going on for almost three years. So you know,
I very much hope and I think you've seen, frankly,
the reality obviously, you know, sort of lemming like you
had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh, this wark In,
(23:48):
It's got to go on as long as it takes.
And then as soon as Trump receives this decisive electoral
mandate from the American people, ol Off Schultz, the Chancellor
of Germany, is calling Putin and you see the shift
in the popular opinion in Ukraine. So what it looks
like exactly, I don't know. I don't want to get
ahead of the president for sure, but I think we've
got to be realistic. This to me again, guys, is
(24:10):
what I would stress is I think we've got to
calibrate we as the American people, have got to calibrate expectations.
Things are being left in such a bad state by
the Biden Harris administration that we've got to be realistic.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
You know, you're not.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
You know, the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood,
and yes, an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine. But
this is the real world, and we would be better
off dealing with the real world, as President Trump is
always pointing out and having made, you know, avoided this conflict,
rather than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden than
Tony Blinkett. And what I would say is on the
NATO issue, I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Be in NATO.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
So I don't know why we would reserve the right
even for twenty years. I mean, what's the point of
reserving something for twenty years. I mean that's like way
down the pike and strategic planning and diplomacy terms. So
I think we should be prepared to negotiate on a
range of issue use in order to bring this conflict
to an end.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Bridge. I see something troubling that I know the income
and Trump administration is going to have to confront and
hopefully untangle. It seems that there is an axis, a
de facto actis that is forming UH. And you can
almost see it like a like a cycle or or
like some kind of an assembly line. You've got Russia
(25:22):
selling its oil, a lot of it to China and
to other actors. UH. And you've got North Korean soldiers
who are fighting now on the front lines in Russia.
You've got Iranian drones, uh, the shah Head drones being
used on the front lines in Ukraine. Uh, you know,
or rather that's also where the North Koreans are fighting
obviously in Ukraine, but on behalf of the Russians. And
(25:45):
so you have all this, I don't want to say,
these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming
to get closer militarily and economically Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.
Then we've seen in a long time, and I think
I think that's worrisome. How do you see that? And
how do you think Trump can approach that?
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Well, it's very worrisome, and I think I mean, I
hate the term acxis of evil because it harkens back
to the disastrous policy of the early two thousands. But there,
you know, I call it like a counter coalition or something.
That's sort of a lame way of putting in Excuse me,
but I think you're absolutely right that there is a
coalition of states that have come together frankly, have Biden
his policy, you know, through the rhetoric, through its behavior
(26:28):
has actually driven them further and further, and the administration
has sort of admitted that. Blinkett has admitted that the
Russians have been helping the Iranians. They've been helping the
Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is very important,
the North Korean nuclear missile program. Of course, you mentioned
the other things in the other direction. So I think, look,
what can we do. I think we can be selective
(26:49):
about how we apply our military so we're strong in
the right places, particularly Asia. I think we can get
our allies to do more and really do that. And
you already see that happening. You see Trump. You know,
common sense breaking out all over the place with Trump's election,
Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense, Germany moving
in that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia, et cetera.
That's another piece. And then a more pragmatic and flexible
(27:11):
diplomacy that hearkens back to the successful Republican foreign policy
of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is being Jim
Baker is being prepared to negotiate with our rivals and opponents.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Both to avoid conflict.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Excuse me, but also to potentially, you know, drive Wedges
is a little ambitious, but maybe create fissures and uncertainties
amongst them. That causes problems, and that I think is
kind of how we go. If you look at how
say the Indians conduct their foreign policy, it's much more
successful than the Joe Biden approach.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Bridge. How much do you think and I know we've
talked about this before, but putin invading Ukraine Hamas attacking
Israel on October seven was just complete and total disrespect
for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And how much do you you think merely Trump being
elected changes the calculus of Americans foreign policy adversary adversaries,
(28:07):
whether it's China, Russia, Ron or North Korea.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, I think I think it's a big, a big one.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
And I think, you know, the Afghanistan thing is very
important and it was a seminal event. But I think
sometimes some of the kind of neo conservative voices say, oh,
it's such a disaster, we should have stayed there till
the end of time. I don't think that's right, and
that's what President Trump has said as well. I think
what Afghanistan showed is it told people a lot about
Joe Biden and how he would make decisions. And I
think Donald Trump's a very different guy. He's tough, he's
(28:35):
an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared to
do tough and sharp and nasty things in some circumstances.
He's going to put the American people first. He's willing
to break China excuse me, so to speak to to
to achieve successful outcomes. But he's also prepared to negotiate
(28:56):
and be flexible. So I think you could see quite
significant changes right away. And I think you already see that,
both on the part of our allies, but also on
the part of potential opponents.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The fact that he's willing to talk to potentially putin
Kim Jong lun, Hi Jin Pink. That's good.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That gives us leverage, it gives us a negotiating space,
and it creates tensions among them.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Bridge, Colby, everybody Bridge hoping that you will perhaps be
helping the incoming Trump administration prevent world War three, which
I think is a bipartisan like we can all get
behind that, like let's not do World War three. And
I hope you can.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Have an role in behind that well. But I'm honored friends.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, no, no, no, world War three and Bridge.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
I want to try to avoid World War three. I'm
into that, guys.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yes, I figure you're down with it. I'm just gonna
give you. I want to give you some tactical advice now, Bridge,
ginger fresh ginger graded hot water, A little bit of honey,
gonna help with that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Throat a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You got to take care of yourself, buddy out there
talking and stopping wars. But strategy denial is his book,
Bridge Colby, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Thank you, guys. Pleasure.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Look, there's gonna be some great sales going on this
holiday season at Legacy Box, Chattanooga, Tennessee based company digitally
transfers old media like videotapes, film reel slides, print photos,
and more so you can preserve old memories for generations
to come. Right now sixty five percent off their regular
prices with a nine dollars per videotape sale. Just go
(30:22):
to legacy box dot com to get started. Super easy process.
They do all the work. And the great thing about
digitizing old media as you can easily share the files
convenient when families far apart, or if someone is in
the hospital and can use a little pick me up.
If you don't have a family member in the service
that won't be home for the holidays, how about it
if you do have something to send them digital files
(30:44):
that could make a difference to somebody who's far away
from home, whether they're in the military or elsewhere. The smiles,
the laughs, Legacy Box can preserve them all. Go to
legacybox dot com slash clay for this nine dollars per
tape deal. That's a legacybox dot com slash Clay news you.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Can count on and some laughs too.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I'm in La.
I traveled with Buck my Crocket Coffee. I started off
the morning in my La hotel room because I knew
time zone. It's gonna be a little bit of a
(31:28):
little bit of a trick. It's nice to be out
on the West Coast here, Buck, because when I finished
the show.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It'll just be noon.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I can go have a normal lunch, I can hang out,
you know, first part of the day doing the show.
Not bad, but it's also a little bit early in
the morning. Might need a little bit of Crockett Coffee
to get me started. And if you're like me, regardless
of what part of the country you live in, Crockett
Coffee dot Com. Right before I left home yesterday, I
signed a bunch of books. They are going to be out.
(31:55):
So if you're looking for a good Christmas gift for
somebody in your family, maybe they're not easy to get
gifts for. You can get my book. I'll get it
out to you before Christmas, autographed by me. When you
use code book and sign up for coffee so you
can be like, hey, here's Clay's book, and by the way,
coffee's coming to your house. Because I know you love America.
(32:18):
I know you love Clay and Buck. I know you
love American history. Crocketcoffee dot com. If your dad, if
your mom, grandma, grandpa. There, everybody's got somebody really difficult
to shop for.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
And I'm the worst gift giver ever. So I'm I'm mister.
It's Christmas Eve, and I'm running around trying to figure
out what to get. My wife buys all the gifts
a lot of the time. If you want to be
the guy who orgal who saves Christmas Crocketcoffee dot com.
Do it today, Crocket Coffee dot Com. Subscribe, use codebook.
I'll sign a book for you. It'll be out to
(32:51):
you before Christmas even gets here. Buck, there's a h
when you come back in the next hour. We got
a bunch of things we want to dive into, but
in particular, I wanted to hit you with this and
I want to set the table for it. I can't
tell you how much of a vibe shift has gone
(33:13):
on in the world of American sports. You used to
coach high school soccer. If you had to right now
say which fan base in America is the most left
wing in the world of sports, I think you would
say soccer.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
It's different around the world, but soccer in America has
an elite, highly educated, left coast vibe to it. Christian
Pulistic scored goals last night. He's the best American goal
scorer maybe we've ever had. Still a young guy, and
he celebrated by doing the Trump dance. And there is
(33:56):
chaos in the soccer streets this morning that the greatest
American soccer player ever, maybe I hope ends up being
the greatest American soccer player to scol goals ever, before
all is said and done, that he would decide Buck
to celebrate his goals last night against Jamaica by doing
(34:17):
the Trump dance. Even soccer now has given itself over
young men. I've got a theory for you, Buck. Young
men have embraced Trump like we have never in our
lives see young men embrace a United States president.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, they have somebody that they can respect and that
speaks to their issues and that makes them feel comfortable
with being men or being young young men. This is
a big difference. You think about who the Democrat Party
has elevated, you know, the kind of people who were
obsessed over the last decade with putting pronouns in everything
(35:00):
and with uh, with talking about you know, how how
the best thing is, you know, everyone needs to be
girl bosses and just all this gender uh, this sort
of gender ideology, not even just the trand stuff, but
the gender ideology overall, and and the toxic masculinity talk
and the constant downgrading and and and down talking about
(35:23):
masculinity uh as as a cultural not just a cultural phenomenon,
cultural demand. Really, it was like you had to do this.
I think that young men have had enough of that crap,
and I think that that's what you're seeing now and
you can't in the you know, you can't have a
sports realm clay where people are objectively lying to their
(35:45):
audiences talking about the commentary side. And it's just like
with Morning Morning, Joe said Trump is Hitler, and now
we're finding out they don't actually think he's Hitler ESPN.
I would ask you this because I was fascinated because
I do not care at all about the sports commentary
world except for a few very great people. Well, but
generally I have no idea. You said, they're so left
wing that they wouldn't say that, you know, the trans
(36:06):
thing in sports now they're on the wrong side of
that too, because no one's going to go forward with
this publicly in the you know, in the sort of
general mass appeal sense and not be ridiculed.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I've got a good thesis that I'm gonna share with
you at the start of the next hour. How did
young men and this is supported by the data, how
did young men so overwhelmingly break Trump in twenty twenty four. Buck,
I think you're gonna like this thesis. I wrote a
column about it. It's up on OutKick, and it's up
(36:38):
on foxnews dot com. My thesis is, this is the
lasting impact of COVID. If you lied to young men
for so long, This is they're now reaping what they
sewed for the lies.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I'm gonna lay it out for you next
Welcome back. In second hour of Clay and Buck. We've
(00:02):
got the governor of Oklahoma with us now. Governor Kevin
Stitt is with us. Governor, appreciate you making the time
for us. Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Absolutely great to be with you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
All Right, So we're talking a lot today about the
very prominent and now the media will say controversial. Trump
planned to begin deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster
scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past,
and law enforcement priorities pushing this meaning people who are
(00:38):
criminal illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.
You've unveiled in your state operation, Guardian, tell us about
this program, how it work in Oklahoma as it unfolds,
and also how you plan to have the state work
with the federal government the Trump administration to finally restore
some law and order when it comes to illegal immigration.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Absolutely, Well, first off, I mean, it's just an optimistic
mood in America. I mean you can feel it. We're
going back to law and order. We're going to get
you know, inflation under control, energy permitting, reform, safety across
the world. I mean it's just really exciting to have
common sense back in the White House, and so in Oklahoma,
(01:22):
I mean, it's just total common sense if we have
people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals plus
their illegals, and Oklahoma should you know, have if we've
given these people over to ice under a Biden Harris administration,
nothing happens. So we've obviously got bad guys in prison
because we're a law in order state. But now with
Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to
(01:44):
be the first state to kind of lead by example
to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not be footing the
bill for people that are here illegally number one and
number two, especially people that are that are criminals that
are in our in our correctional facilities. So those are
the first ones we want to tackle. And we wanted
to kind of be a model to other states and
(02:04):
work with the Trump administration and know that now we
have a partner in the White House that believes in
common sense and wants to protect law and order and
wants to protect safety across the country.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Governor, appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you've already seen
a lot of Democrat governors saying we're not going to
work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations.
How do you think that will play out? And how
much of that I think the answer is probably one
hundred percent. Is that often political angling to try to
potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat
(02:38):
nominee in twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.
They can see they're talking from the exact same playbook,
and it was amazing, Like I think the day after
the election, you started seeing you know, the regular folks,
the regular Democratic talking points from all the different governors
talking about we're going to protect our citizens, You're gonna
have to come me, well, I think that they're missing
(03:02):
the point. I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly. Trump got won
the popular vote, three hundred and twelve electoral votes, and
overwhelmingly people want border security, they want a law and
order back in our communities, they believe in safe communities.
We want freedom and education, we want to unleash American energy,
(03:23):
and so again, I don't think the Democrats learned any
frame from that last election. And for them to come
out immediately and say they're not going to work with
the President on law and order. I think they're shooting
themselves in the foot and they didn't learn anything from
Tuesday's election.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Are there sanction I know you're in a very red state,
the governor fortunately, very red state. But I'm assuming it's
possible You've got sanctuary jurisdictions in Tulsa, maybe Oklahoma City.
I mean, is is that a challenge for you in
terms of local and state law enforcement working together on
this issue? Are they on board?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
What can you tell us about that, because I just
I wonder how that stays. Local and federal is going
to all collide or work together on this issue.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, you know, yeah, we're not a sanctuary state at all.
I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city
mayors that'll push back and are kind of squishy on
this issue. But really, what I'm talking about here, and
I don't know how any American and certainly how any
Oklahoma would complain about it. We're talking about people that
are here illegally. Number one and number two, they're also incarcerated.
(04:29):
They're criminals. They're either in gangs, they've had a run
in with law enforcement, they've got busted for you know,
running drugs and fentanyl coming across the border. So we're
talking about that element first. I think that's what Trump's
talking about. And then we need to get them out
of our states, out of our country. And then I
(04:50):
believe in immigration reform. We need to have If somebody
comes to the University of Oklahoma on an education visa
and they get an engineering degree, we want to convert
that to a workforce visa. So if people want to
chase the American dream and pay taxes and be part
of our society and we have jobs for them, we
want to connect the employers with employees. I'm all for
(05:10):
work workforce visas and changing that immigration policy, but we're
talking about the criminal element right now, and that I
don't know how anybody could argue, you're Democrat or Republican,
that that needs to be our out of our country.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
When you look at you mentioned that, you can feel
a major vibe shift. I know Oklahoma is very much
of a Trump Uh. You know fertile ground, right, you
guys win in your state go red by a massive amount.
But I got some stats here for you, Governor. Uh,
this is the latest data in terms of how things
have moved New York moved eleven point five percent towards Trump.
(05:49):
New Jersey ten point two, Florida nine point eight, Massachusetts
eight point seven percent, California eight point four percent. So
for of the biggest states to gain massively in Trump's
support were blue states. I'm curious, do you feel that
when the other governors are starting to talk that even
(06:10):
somebody like Kathy Hochel, for instance, in New York, which
is considered a blue state. Crazily New York is closer
to a red state than Texas or Florida are to
blue states based on the data out there. Can you
feel maybe a vibe shift in terms of how even
those politicians are talking given what happened even in blue states.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know, I really can. I'm the vice chair this
year of the National Governor Association, which is the bipartisan group,
and so behind closed doors when I talk to my
Democratic colleagues, it's very collegial. We've got a good relationship,
and I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes,
we meet stronger borders. And that was what's so perplexing
(06:53):
for the American people. It's why, you know, the Biden
Harris administration was refusing to go back to Trump Arapolosy
these which has remain in Mexico. And so I think
that across the board, you know, the governors at least
understand that we need to have border security. We need that,
and unless they're trying to kind of placate so that
they're you know, left wing part of their party, Uh,
(07:16):
these are these are just common sense things that if
you're truly an American and you want what's best for
our country, you shouldn't be able to argue these these points. Uh.
But it's really exciting. And you look at the uh,
the Hispanic popular the vote went made major gains towards
the Republican Party because I tell people, they're they're concerned
about that, they believe in God and family and their
(07:38):
entrepreneurs and and and they're more concerned about the economy
than somebody's pronouns. They don't want their little girls to
have to be competing with biological mails and sports. I mean,
the left has gone so far the other way that
I think that you saw that in this election, and
so hopefully common sense will return. And I know common
(07:59):
sense is going to return of the White House, and
I hope we're seeing it return to New York and
California and some of these other states and just say, hey,
we want to give the Trump administration a chance, and
I think we want safe communities and we want our
girls to be protected when they play sports and stuff
that we've known in Oklahoma for a long time.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Just speaking to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor, how
many illegals are currently in custody in your state? Do
you have a pretty good firm number on that? And
what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just
to incarcerate them, roughly speaking on a day or monthly basis.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, So you know, I've had our team go back
and look at that. We have I think around twenty
thousand people incarcerated in Oklahoma. There's something I'm always working
on is safe communities, but also want to make sure
that we believe in second chances. So we've done a
lot of work there. But there's five hundred and twenty
six people that should not be incarcerated in Oklahoma because
(09:01):
they're illegals and they broke the law and we're having
to pay for their incarcerations, and so it's millions and
millions of dollars to the taxpayers of Oklahoma. I think
it's I.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Read something just so I read something, and it's almost
forty thousand dollars. Forty thousand dollars too, for each one
of those inmates.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is that correct? I mean for the year, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, So it's going to cost us between twenty to
thirty thousand, don't know the exact number per inmate per year.
And that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers. That's
our state.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers
in your state at a minimum that should not be
just for those who are incarcerated.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That is exactly right, that's correct. So and then you
know it did no good before with the Biden Harris administration.
Is ICE was not doing their job. Under a Trump administration,
we're going to return to the rule of law, and
so when we push those back to ICE, they'll be
returned back to they'll be out of Oklahoma, out of
our country, which will be a good thing. We don't
want the criminal element here. But I also remind people
(10:03):
we need immigration reform, and we need to make sure
we have state workforce visas and we match employers to employees,
and that's good as well if people want to chase
the American dream, and so I think that's important for
people to note as well.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Governor, we know that Barack Obama recently Bill Clinton, Democrat
governors who are a Democrat governor in the case of
Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama,
but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal
immigrants should be sent back. This wasn't considered to be
a political issue. How much do you think this will
(10:41):
become a political issue going forward? We mentioned Democrat governors
are already lining up. Or do you think the fact
that this was standard operating procedure to deport illegals, particularly
illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama was
in office, will that end up ultimately winning the public argument.
How do you see this playing out?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, I think they've gone too far. I don't
see how this is I think Trump has made a
national story. The Republican Governors Association sent a letter, We've
made this a national story. Pushing on border security. I
believe the American people are there that we have to
have strong borders. We have to know who's coming through
(11:23):
our country. We need to have immigration reform. I'll give
you that too, But I don't believe that all of
a sudden in twenty eight the election cycle is going
to flip and all of a sudden American people are
going to vote for you know, the crazy person that's saying, yeah,
let's do open borders. I just don't believe. I think
I think the pendulum is going to swing back to
(11:44):
more normalcy to say, hey, no, no, no. Even Democrats
agree that we have to have border security, and this
is not a winning argument for their side, and if
they keep doubling down on it, I just think it
just shows you how politically blind they are are. Trump
just won overwhelmingly with a mandate to say we're going
(12:04):
to secure our border and we're gonna have safe communities,
and for them to come out day one, I think
it's just very They're All they're doing is just trying
to put themselves as the anti Trump person out there,
and they think it's going to gain, you know, with
the far left part of their party, maybe make them
some kind of hero. But I think long term it's
not it's not gonna work. And and if they keep
(12:25):
running on that playbook, you're going to see the same
type of landside victories that you saw in twenty four
for the for the good.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Guys, Governor State of Oklahoma. Always appreciate you making the
time for us, and we'll talk to you again soon
about how this is all going once it gets to
the implementation phase.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Absolutely, Hey, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You know, there's a nonprofit out there that you can
really count on to do critical frontline work in saving lives,
the Preborn Network of Clinics, and they use your charitable
contributions for this incredible mission of helping to save tiny
babies in womb. You see, Preborn will invite mothers to
be into their facilities and they do it with love,
(13:08):
compassion and care and say, look, let's just before you
make a decision, let's give you a free ultrasound so
you can.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Meet the tiny baby in your womb.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And so often when that happens, the mother decides I'm
going to give life to this child. And then Preborn
will give support through the birth of the child and
then up to two years after the birth of the child, food, clothing, medicine,
job referral service, whatever they can do to help and
to help build this beautiful little family that's growing. They
(13:37):
will do, but it's only possible because of your donations. You,
the pro life community. Preborn isn't planned parenthood. They're fighting
the other side of this battle. They're trying to save lives.
They don't get government funding, they don't get funding from
anybody except for people like you, the pro life community.
Yes we have to change laws, Yes we have to
change hearts and minds. But what can you do today
(13:59):
to help save tiny babies in the womb. This is
where Preborn comes in. One ultrasound is just twenty eight dollars.
One hundred and forty dollars will sponsor five ultrasounds. To donate,
dial pound two fifty on your cell phone and say
the keyword baby. That's pound two fifty say baby, or
visit preborn dot com, slash buck that's preborn dot com,
(14:20):
slash b u c ek. All gifts are tax deductible.
Preborn has a four star charity rating sponsored by Preborn.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Prepping for the holidays, Tune into Turkey Talk now found
in the Clay and Buck podcast feed, on the iHeartRadio
app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in
Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We're just talking with Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt.
We're going to talk with Bridge Colby about the latest
(14:49):
as the Biden administration has okayed the use of further
range weaponry that could reach into Russia. A lot of
you reacting and sharing in about mass deportations. There's an
interesting dichotomy, Buck, Just FYI, so we are seeing this.
The way that they count as basically deportations has changed
(15:13):
over the years. That is, rejecting people at the border
is sometimes counted, sometimes it's not. So some of you
are blowing us up with Bill Clinton. Hey, he actually,
when we're saying deportation, the way we're classifying it now
is putting people on airplanes and sending them back to
their country of origin.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Finding incarcerating, sending back the country of origin. This is
what I was trying to say when you look at
the Clinton years, and I think the Obama administration was
doing this as well, probably the Bush administration too. If
they caught you at the border and turned you back,
or if they just turned you away at a port
of entry, they were considering that a deportation, which is
(15:55):
not very different in terms of resources and everything else.
It's very different ordeal.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What we're saying is Obama around three million flying out
of the country now. Also, many of you out there
will say, and you're right, we never had the number
of illegal immigrants in the country like we do now.
And Buck, I know many of you out there will
remember this. I remember this feeling around about two thousand.
(16:25):
Suddenly there was a massive influx of illegal immigrants in
for instance, the city that I live in, Nashville. I
just remember out of nowhere, early in the twenty first century,
there was suddenly a mass influx of illegal immigrants that
you could notice in a place like Nashville, Tennessee, where
I lived, and it felt very different than it did
(16:47):
in the eighties and the nineties, which, as you pointed out,
and this is important, illegal immigration is different today than
it was then. It used to be, Hey, I'm coming in,
I'm doing a seasonal job. I'm in California. I'm gonna
show up. I'm gonna pick strawberries, for instance, or tomatoes
or whatever it is seasonally, and then I'm going to
go back to Mexico with the money. That doesn't happen
(17:07):
as much. Now it's permanent, and that's why it's a
different level of problem to have to be addressed and
obviously significant. Deporting somebody to Mexico, like we all know,
the geography is a lot easier than deporting them to Bangladesh. Okay,
one is a.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Long plane ride, and you got to arrange all that,
and you know, you got to make sure you got
enough people going to enough places for the plane ride
to be worth it. Mexico if you're setting them back
just to Mexico pretty easy, right, So that's a whole
other thing that you have to take into account with
this as well. When we're talking about what Trump's going
to do with warp speed deportation, maybe they should call
it that operation Warp Speed Deportation. It's going to be
(17:48):
people who are found incarcerated sent back to their country
of origin in planes. If you're looking for a natural
boost to your day when it comes to energy, you
gotta think about chalk daily supplements. They've got healthy ingredients
stuff that you can read on the back of the
label and you'll say, oh, yeah, I know what all
that is. So many benefits for you, including energy, health, vitality,
(18:10):
healthier hormone balance. And by the way, maybe you've got
some inflammation like I do with my need, They've got
stuff for that too. Go online to Chalk dot com.
You'll see a tab shop by benefit and a whole
list of things Chalk can help with. Chalk products also
make great stocking stuffers for the holidays. So if you're
somebody who likes to get a jumpstart on things, go
online now at Chalk dot com Cchoq. Use my name
(18:32):
Buck as your promo code choq dot com for a
lifetime discount and the free surprise gift caller text fifty
Chalk three thousand Now say Clay and Buck sent me.
That's call or text fifty Chalk three thousand five zero
Chalk three thousand. US based customer service team is ready
to go. Chalk great products, go check it out today.
(18:53):
Our friend Bridge Colby joins us once again. He is
a former Pentagon official from Trump's first administration, author of
the excellent book Strategy of Denial. Bridge, great to have
you back on the program. I'm getting people asking me this,
and I I jumped to some pretty dark conclusions about it.
(19:14):
So I'm wondering what you think. Here we are Biden is, yes,
technically the commander in chief, but we all, including Democrats,
know that it's pretty shaky. No, no pot intended with that,
but you know it's no double on Taundra. It's pretty shaky,
and he's having a tough time understanding what's going on
around him. Meanwhile, we're told that he has authorized the
(19:38):
use of American provided long range missile so that Ukraine
can now fire missiles a couple of hundred miles. I've
seen different estimates of how long these will go into
Russian territory to hit Russian batteries. Is this a big deal?
Why is he doing this? What's going on?
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Well, great to be with you, Buck and Client's I mean,
it is honestly both disturbing and bewildering because the bizarre thing,
it's almost like the sort of reductive out of absurdum
of the Biden administration policy, where they're openly admitting in
the New York Times that this is not going to
make that much of a difference, and yet it is
a very significant escalatory step. I mean, it's been talked
about tremendously on the Western side, but also the Russians
(20:21):
and Putin himself have made clear it's a big deal.
But yet you know, the Russians have probably already adapted,
They've moved their forces around. They claimed they shot down
several of the attacks, and apparently both the Ukrainians and
we are low on the attack on stocks. So it's
this kind of, you know, perfect encapsulation of the Biden
symbolism over effectiveness policy, which is really just we can't
(20:46):
get changed soon enough. And I mean, you know, they've
been This is something that I think is really important
to stress here, buck is they have been running policy
on this for obviously the last four years, but certainly
since the beginning of twenty twenty two, in the late
twenty one when this crisis as began, and they've been
working with certain Republicans who supported a maximalist sort of
goals on Ukraine, and I call it the liberal primisist alliance.
(21:09):
And now the Deputy National Security Advisor admitted while while
while Biden was down in Rio that the situation is
extremely difficult and the Russians are willing to up the ante. Apparently,
according to the Levada Center, pulling at life satisfaction in Russia,
including among young people, as an all time high. So
this is just a really bad situation, and they seem
to be making it worse. I think, to frankly, peer pressure.
(21:33):
You know, maybe the Europeans, maybe some of the you know,
sort of the Morning Joe kind of constituency, although even
they are seem to be defecting from from Biden.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
What does a solution, I know, it's like a ceasefire,
a peace agreement in your mind, look like what I
have been reading Bridge and we appreciate the time, is
that it would look something like what I have seen
is a twenty year agreement that NATO is not going
to add Ukraine international peace forces potentially to manage the
(22:07):
border whatever is negotiated as the new border of Ukraine.
Is that kind of where you see this going? And
I also saw a poll today and obviously in the
wake of the election, we know Poles aren't always reliable,
but suggesting that somewhere north maybe fifty two percent of
Ukrainians were ready for this war to be over. Do
(22:28):
you buy in that Trump in the first ninety days
or so can get a solution, And if so, what
does that solution look like?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, look, I don't want to get ahead of the president.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I think he seems to have somewhat his own idea
that he's not tipped his hand, which makes sense from
a negotiating point of view. I would just say, looking
at history, we've got to be realistic and looking at
the situation on the ground, you know, I don't think
we can be expecting that like Crimea is going to
come back, and I think we should be realistic.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And I think the fact that Ukrainians.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Are now looking for an end of the war, but
just objectively, given the enormous humans offering, the fact that
the war's not going very well together means some kind
of ceasefire or cessation of the conflict.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That's realistic, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I mean, these these conflicts tend to end somewhere along
the battle lines as they exist. Unfortunately, the Russians are
making progress, but there's reason to think that the Russians
might not want this war to go on forever. It's
obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem to
be willing to manage. It's making them more dependent on China,
it's closing them off from the Western Europe, so I think,
(23:28):
you know, and Putin has seemed to be at least
open and his lieutenants like Peskov to at least some
you know, hearing out the proposals. And this war has
been going on for almost three years. So you know,
I very much hope and I think you've seen, frankly,
the reality obviously, you know, sort of lemming like you
had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh, this wark In,
(23:48):
It's got to go on as long as it takes.
And then as soon as Trump receives this decisive electoral
mandate from the American people, ol Off Schultz, the Chancellor
of Germany, is calling Putin and you see the shift
in the popular opinion in Ukraine. So what it looks
like exactly, I don't know. I don't want to get
ahead of the president for sure, but I think we've
got to be realistic. This to me again, guys, is
(24:10):
what I would stress is I think we've got to
calibrate we as the American people, have got to calibrate expectations.
Things are being left in such a bad state by
the Biden Harris administration that we've got to be realistic.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
You know, you're not.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
You know, the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood,
and yes, an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine. But
this is the real world, and we would be better
off dealing with the real world, as President Trump is
always pointing out and having made, you know, avoided this conflict,
rather than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden than
Tony Blinkett. And what I would say is on the
NATO issue, I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Be in NATO.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
So I don't know why we would reserve the right
even for twenty years. I mean, what's the point of
reserving something for twenty years. I mean that's like way
down the pike and strategic planning and diplomacy terms. So
I think we should be prepared to negotiate on a
range of issue use in order to bring this conflict
to an end.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Bridge. I see something troubling that I know the income
and Trump administration is going to have to confront and
hopefully untangle. It seems that there is an axis, a
de facto actis that is forming UH. And you can
almost see it like a like a cycle or or
like some kind of an assembly line. You've got Russia
(25:22):
selling its oil, a lot of it to China and
to other actors. UH. And you've got North Korean soldiers
who are fighting now on the front lines in Russia.
You've got Iranian drones, uh, the shah Head drones being
used on the front lines in Ukraine. Uh, you know,
or rather that's also where the North Koreans are fighting
obviously in Ukraine, but on behalf of the Russians. And
(25:45):
so you have all this, I don't want to say,
these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming
to get closer militarily and economically Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.
Then we've seen in a long time, and I think
I think that's worrisome. How do you see that? And
how do you think Trump can approach that?
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Well, it's very worrisome, and I think I mean, I
hate the term acxis of evil because it harkens back
to the disastrous policy of the early two thousands. But there,
you know, I call it like a counter coalition or something.
That's sort of a lame way of putting in Excuse me,
but I think you're absolutely right that there is a
coalition of states that have come together frankly, have Biden
his policy, you know, through the rhetoric, through its behavior
(26:28):
has actually driven them further and further, and the administration
has sort of admitted that. Blinkett has admitted that the
Russians have been helping the Iranians. They've been helping the
Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is very important,
the North Korean nuclear missile program. Of course, you mentioned
the other things in the other direction. So I think, look,
what can we do. I think we can be selective
(26:49):
about how we apply our military so we're strong in
the right places, particularly Asia. I think we can get
our allies to do more and really do that. And
you already see that happening. You see Trump. You know,
common sense breaking out all over the place with Trump's election,
Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense, Germany moving
in that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia, et cetera.
That's another piece. And then a more pragmatic and flexible
(27:11):
diplomacy that hearkens back to the successful Republican foreign policy
of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is being Jim
Baker is being prepared to negotiate with our rivals and opponents.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Both to avoid conflict.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Excuse me, but also to potentially, you know, drive Wedges
is a little ambitious, but maybe create fissures and uncertainties
amongst them. That causes problems, and that I think is
kind of how we go. If you look at how
say the Indians conduct their foreign policy, it's much more
successful than the Joe Biden approach.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Bridge. How much do you think and I know we've
talked about this before, but putin invading Ukraine Hamas attacking
Israel on October seven was just complete and total disrespect
for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And how much do you you think merely Trump being
elected changes the calculus of Americans foreign policy adversary adversaries,
(28:07):
whether it's China, Russia, Ron or North Korea.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, I think I think it's a big, a big one.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
And I think, you know, the Afghanistan thing is very
important and it was a seminal event. But I think
sometimes some of the kind of neo conservative voices say, oh,
it's such a disaster, we should have stayed there till
the end of time. I don't think that's right, and
that's what President Trump has said as well. I think
what Afghanistan showed is it told people a lot about
Joe Biden and how he would make decisions. And I
think Donald Trump's a very different guy. He's tough, he's
(28:35):
an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared to
do tough and sharp and nasty things in some circumstances.
He's going to put the American people first. He's willing
to break China excuse me, so to speak to to
to achieve successful outcomes. But he's also prepared to negotiate
(28:56):
and be flexible. So I think you could see quite
significant changes right away. And I think you already see that,
both on the part of our allies, but also on
the part of potential opponents.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The fact that he's willing to talk to potentially putin
Kim Jong lun, Hi Jin Pink. That's good.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
That gives us leverage, it gives us a negotiating space,
and it creates tensions among them.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Bridge, Colby, everybody Bridge hoping that you will perhaps be
helping the incoming Trump administration prevent world War three, which
I think is a bipartisan like we can all get
behind that, like let's not do World War three. And
I hope you can.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Have an role in behind that well. But I'm honored friends.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, no, no, no, world War three and Bridge.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
I want to try to avoid World War three. I'm
into that, guys.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yes, I figure you're down with it. I'm just gonna
give you. I want to give you some tactical advice now, Bridge,
ginger fresh ginger graded hot water, A little bit of honey,
gonna help with that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Throat a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You got to take care of yourself, buddy out there
talking and stopping wars. But strategy denial is his book,
Bridge Colby, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Thank you, guys. Pleasure.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Look, there's gonna be some great sales going on this
holiday season at Legacy Box, Chattanooga, Tennessee based company digitally
transfers old media like videotapes, film reel slides, print photos,
and more so you can preserve old memories for generations
to come. Right now sixty five percent off their regular
prices with a nine dollars per videotape sale. Just go
(30:22):
to legacy box dot com to get started. Super easy process.
They do all the work. And the great thing about
digitizing old media as you can easily share the files
convenient when families far apart, or if someone is in
the hospital and can use a little pick me up.
If you don't have a family member in the service
that won't be home for the holidays, how about it
if you do have something to send them digital files
(30:44):
that could make a difference to somebody who's far away
from home, whether they're in the military or elsewhere. The smiles,
the laughs, Legacy Box can preserve them all. Go to
legacybox dot com slash clay for this nine dollars per
tape deal. That's a legacybox dot com slash Clay news you.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Can count on and some laughs too.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I'm in La.
I traveled with Buck my Crocket Coffee. I started off
the morning in my La hotel room because I knew
time zone. It's gonna be a little bit of a
(31:28):
little bit of a trick. It's nice to be out
on the West Coast here, Buck, because when I finished
the show.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It'll just be noon.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I can go have a normal lunch, I can hang out,
you know, first part of the day doing the show.
Not bad, but it's also a little bit early in
the morning. Might need a little bit of Crockett Coffee
to get me started. And if you're like me, regardless
of what part of the country you live in, Crockett
Coffee dot Com. Right before I left home yesterday, I
signed a bunch of books. They are going to be out.
(31:55):
So if you're looking for a good Christmas gift for
somebody in your family, maybe they're not easy to get
gifts for. You can get my book. I'll get it
out to you before Christmas, autographed by me. When you
use code book and sign up for coffee so you
can be like, hey, here's Clay's book, and by the way,
coffee's coming to your house. Because I know you love America.
(32:18):
I know you love Clay and Buck. I know you
love American history. Crocketcoffee dot com. If your dad, if
your mom, grandma, grandpa. There, everybody's got somebody really difficult
to shop for.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
And I'm the worst gift giver ever. So I'm I'm mister.
It's Christmas Eve, and I'm running around trying to figure
out what to get. My wife buys all the gifts
a lot of the time. If you want to be
the guy who orgal who saves Christmas Crocketcoffee dot com.
Do it today, Crocket Coffee dot Com. Subscribe, use codebook.
I'll sign a book for you. It'll be out to
(32:51):
you before Christmas even gets here. Buck, there's a h
when you come back in the next hour. We got
a bunch of things we want to dive into, but
in particular, I wanted to hit you with this and
I want to set the table for it. I can't
tell you how much of a vibe shift has gone
(33:13):
on in the world of American sports. You used to
coach high school soccer. If you had to right now
say which fan base in America is the most left
wing in the world of sports, I think you would
say soccer.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
It's different around the world, but soccer in America has
an elite, highly educated, left coast vibe to it. Christian
Pulistic scored goals last night. He's the best American goal
scorer maybe we've ever had. Still a young guy, and
he celebrated by doing the Trump dance. And there is
(33:56):
chaos in the soccer streets this morning that the greatest
American soccer player ever, maybe I hope ends up being
the greatest American soccer player to scol goals ever, before
all is said and done, that he would decide Buck
to celebrate his goals last night against Jamaica by doing
(34:17):
the Trump dance. Even soccer now has given itself over
young men. I've got a theory for you, Buck. Young
men have embraced Trump like we have never in our
lives see young men embrace a United States president.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, they have somebody that they can respect and that
speaks to their issues and that makes them feel comfortable
with being men or being young young men. This is
a big difference. You think about who the Democrat Party
has elevated, you know, the kind of people who were
obsessed over the last decade with putting pronouns in everything
(35:00):
and with uh, with talking about you know, how how
the best thing is, you know, everyone needs to be
girl bosses and just all this gender uh, this sort
of gender ideology, not even just the trand stuff, but
the gender ideology overall, and and the toxic masculinity talk
and the constant downgrading and and and down talking about
(35:23):
masculinity uh as as a cultural not just a cultural phenomenon,
cultural demand. Really, it was like you had to do this.
I think that young men have had enough of that crap,
and I think that that's what you're seeing now and
you can't in the you know, you can't have a
sports realm clay where people are objectively lying to their
(35:45):
audiences talking about the commentary side. And it's just like
with Morning Morning, Joe said Trump is Hitler, and now
we're finding out they don't actually think he's Hitler ESPN.
I would ask you this because I was fascinated because
I do not care at all about the sports commentary
world except for a few very great people. Well, but
generally I have no idea. You said, they're so left
wing that they wouldn't say that, you know, the trans
(36:06):
thing in sports now they're on the wrong side of
that too, because no one's going to go forward with
this publicly in the you know, in the sort of
general mass appeal sense and not be ridiculed.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I've got a good thesis that I'm gonna share with
you at the start of the next hour. How did
young men and this is supported by the data, how
did young men so overwhelmingly break Trump in twenty twenty four. Buck,
I think you're gonna like this thesis. I wrote a
column about it. It's up on OutKick, and it's up
(36:38):
on foxnews dot com. My thesis is, this is the
lasting impact of COVID. If you lied to young men
for so long, This is they're now reaping what they
sewed for the lies.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I'm gonna lay it out for you next
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show News
Hosts And Creators
Clay Travis
Buck Sexton
Show Links
WebsiteNewsletterPopular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.