April 26, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delves into several significant topics. The hosts begin by discussing the latest developments with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, who remains in his position despite attempts to oust him. They explore the internal dynamics at the Pentagon, particularly focusing on the debate over the use of force against Iran. Clay and Buck analyze the implications of potential military action, and the strategic considerations involved.
The conversation shifts to the broader political landscape, highlighting the Democrats' trip to El Salvador to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an individual with known ties to MS-13. The hosts critique the Democrats' stance on immigration and their efforts to challenge Trump's deportation policies. They emphasize the importance of maintaining the integrity of the United States' immigration system and the challenges posed by the influx of illegal immigrants during Biden's administration.
Clay and Buck also discuss the fallout from the 2024 election, particularly focusing on the revelations about President Joe Biden's mental and physical health. They highlight Elizabeth Warren's recent interview, where she defends her previous statements about Biden's acuity. The hosts analyze the media's role in shaping public perception and the long-term implications of the narrative surrounding Biden's presidency.
Interview with Rep. Chip Roy of Texas on SCOTUS blocking Trump deportations and the Democrats traveling to El Salvador and their defense of Abrego Garcia. He criticizes the Democrats for prioritizing non-citizens over American victims of crime committed by illegal immigrants. Roy emphasizes the need for significant authority for the president to remove individuals who were wrongfully allowed into the United States. He also discusses the broader implications of the Democrats' stance on immigration and their pursuit of political power.
The hour concludes with a discussion on Nike's controversial funding of research on transgender athletes, particularly focusing on children receiving puberty blockers and hormone therapy. Clay and Buck express their concerns about the ethical implications of such research and critique Nike's involvement in these studies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in second hour of Clay and Buck. Get's going
right now, and we've got a couple of big stories
this hour to hit you with, and also a great guess,
David's Wig will be with us on how Democrats were
completely wrong on everything when it came to COVID, school
locked school shutdowns on lockdown, which play and I have
said for a long time. But you know the you
(00:22):
know the meme that goes around always of Schwarzenegger and
Carl Weather's hand in hand from Predator.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Clay that was like us on COVID. You know that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We were just just two guys with giant biceps locking
locking hands to come together on an issue. And David's
Wig apparently with us there too on this one, saying
that this is total madness. By the way, Predator, I
think all in top five action movie of all time.
I'm even persuadable. It may be my favorite action movie
of all time. Side note, but it's that or die
(00:58):
Hard for me, Predator or die Hard, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I could go out.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think Diehard is the best action movie ever made,
and I know we're gonna get I can't disagree. I
know what it is but blown up like Gladiator and
Brave Heart. There are other movies that are higher level
filmed historical epic.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Those are historical epic. I don't consider those pure action.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
In the old VHS store they would I don't think
they would have gone. And I don't think you put
Gladiator in action. Gladiator is almost like like ben Hur
or The Ten Commandments. It's like a timeless historical epic
that I think is one of the best movies in
my for my money, one of the best movies ever made.
And I think, oh, I tell you that when I
was in the hospital with my wife and we were
(01:40):
trying to figure out, you know what we're going to
watch to pass the time as we were there for
days waiting for a little baby to come out. She's like,
you know, it's like, I haven't seen Blackhawk Down in
a while, such a good movie.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was like, Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So we're in the hospital, well watching black Hawk that
another great movie.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Anyway, I forget what I was.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, yes, we're going to dive into that with David's
why coming up here in a little bit, And I
agree Clay's take on Diehard is strong. Let's get into
the other two big stories right now, Pete Hegseth still
Secretary of Defense. We knew exactly what this was. They're
trying to come up with the city. You know, they're
running the same play hoping that they catch the opposing
(02:23):
team in a moment of disarray, meaning Trump's team. And
I don't think that's going to happen. But there's something
weird going on there because a bunch of people around Pete.
I mean, I know he's Secretary of Hegseth, but to Clay,
to me, he's always.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Going to be Pete at some level. Right Pete is
he's fired, he went on Fox this morning. We'll get
into this.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
People around him have been fired pending investigation for leaks.
But were these people that Pete knew before and trusted?
Something is going on. I don't actually, Clay, do you
feel like you have a really good read on this
yet as to what's going on? Something funky is happening
in the upper reaches of the Pentagon right now. There
are clearly some people who are trying to recap our buddy,
(03:04):
Pete the Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
The only thing that makes sense to me, and I
don't want to go too far into the conspiracy rabbit hole.
But there seems to be an internal debate right now
over how we handle Iran, and I'm not taking either side.
I'm just going to tell you what I think the
two sides are. One is, hey, we're going to try
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to peacefully work out a deal that is not going
to require the use of force as it pertains to
nuclear weapons in Iran. Right That is what I would say.
The pathway we are on right now is as it
pertains to the negotiations. The other side is you can't
trust Iran at all. We need to hit them while
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they are at their weakest. Syria has collapsed. Hesbill has
basically done. The hamas Terrists are done, the Hooties are done.
Iran has never been weaker. Now is the time to
ensure that they're never able to get a nuclear weapon.
Those are the two sides. Hag Seth seems clearly to
(04:10):
be on the side of, hey, let's try to limit
our use of force here, and there do seem to
be people inside of the Trump administration that want to
use force the only reason, like does that seem like
there could be like kind of the underlying essence of
what's going on here that and that also ties into
what some of the of the leaks have have been.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I find myself and again, Pete went to a rock
for his country, remember the military. I went to a
rock for our country, remember the CIA.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And there'll be more cool CIA stories, by the way,
I can tell you because now the book has been cleared,
so as the book gets closer. Actually, that was why
I had to be held up, because I talked about
some of the stuff from back in the day because
it's been a long time now, and the Agency's like, yeah,
you can talk about that stuff that I've never talked
about before, that none of you ever heard before. So
that's an exciting little preview of yeah, there'll be some
good There'll be some good stuff, some good story that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm actually curious to see. The stories.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I haven't even necessarily told my man Clay some of
this stuff. That's what I'm saying. I'm classified, but now
it's not classified because I got it cleared, So I'm
excited to talk about some of this stuff. But anyway,
back to speaking classified not classified. Pete has said that
there were leakers and that he had to get rid
of them.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
This is cut too. He was on.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
This is from Fox and Friends, right guys this morning,
because there's been a lot of a lot of chatter
around this. This is cut to Here's Secretary of Defense,
hegseeth on this latest attempt to let's be honest, to
oust him play it.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
What was shared over signal then and now, however you
characterize it was informal, unclassified coordinations for media coordination other things.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's what I've said from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
At the beginning, it was left wing reporters from the
Atlantic who got a hold of it and then wanted
to create a problem for the president.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
This is what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Trying to get at President Trump and his agenda. And
so when we had leaks, which we have had, we
did a serious leak investigation, and through that leak investigation, unfortunately,
we found some folks that we believe we're not holding
to the protocols that we hold dear here at the
Defense Department. Through that investigation, they had been moved on
and that investigation continues.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So you is there anything else that could be going on.
I mean, I think it's clear Hegseth is not like
one of the cool kids who has spent his whole
career in the Pentagon, and there's an outsider insider dynamic
that's clear right that it's going on. But is it
iron Do you buy into me that it being Ultimately
this is a battle over what our response to Iran
(06:41):
should be or is it something more that we're missing?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
He will well let yes, yes, based on some of
the leaks. Also, our friend Under Secretary of Defense Bridge Colby,
who I was very in favor of because I've known
him forever and he's brilliant and he's one of us.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
There was a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Resistance to him now, to be fair, like Senator Cotton
voted for him, and you know, it all went through,
but there were questions about where he was on Iran.
There were concerns that he was too duvish on Iran.
Knowing Bridge, Well, I would never consider him duvish on anything.
He's a he's an America first patriot, right, He's like,
(07:23):
whatever America has to do to protect ourselves, our interests
in our people, is what we're going to do. On
the issue of use of force against Iran, though it's
not as clear as just yeah, blow up their stuff
because they're bad and there's no blowback on us. And
I think those of us who come from the what
I consider the nine to eleven generation, a lot of
you and a lot of you paid a very serious
(07:46):
price in being away from your family, away from your
wife or your husband, you know, twelve maybe even fifteen
months if you got extended deployment in Iraq. Maybe some
of you have been wounded, maybe some of you lost
brothers in arms. It's like, you all know what I'm
talking about here. We don't want to get into some
Mid East war that we shouldn't be getting into. That
(08:07):
is a lesson that our generation, Clay people your age,
my age in particular, learned because we were the ones,
age wise who surged into this.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It was really you know.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Millennials, gen X, They were the ones who were predominantly
serving in the Middle East and Iraq specifically. So, but
I just want this debate to be happening. I don't
want this debate to be knife fights behind closed doors
in the e ring of the Pentagon. I want this
to be out in public so we know what's going
(08:40):
on here. And so that's part of this makes me.
It makes me uncomfortable because I see that there's this
little war of leaks, and there's this this, these games
going on, and this stuff is deadly serious. If we're
really talking about use of force against Iran, the American people,
Donald Trump, this needs to be out there so we
understand what the implications are. I don't think that we
(09:02):
should wake up one day and just find out that
the reactors are smoldering and let's see what happens next.
I do not like that approach to this.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't think Trump's going to do that, but I
do get the sense there are some people in the
upper echelons of the Pentagon who do want that to happen. Well,
I think the danger is just this. We have no
idea what Iran's gonna do, and in the same way
you can if you're being honest. The reason why North
(09:29):
Korea and Iran want nuclear weapons is because once you
have nuclear weapons, the regime in power is basically protected
from external threats forever. This is some people call the
Libya lesson, or even the Ukraine lesson. I might add Ukraine,
third largest nuclear power in the world, signs the Budapest Memorandum,
and Russia, the UK, and the US say don't worry,
(09:52):
give up your nukes. And we'll protect you. Yikes, that
didn't work out well for them, so you might have Kadafi.
Kadafi thing I think is even more visceral because of
what happened to him, and he was trying to play
ball on the WMD front after what happened in Iraq
did not work out well for him.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sorry, No, I think that's the lesson.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
If you're out there, I think you have to consider
the goals of the other side. And I don't buy
that Iran's going to give up nuclear weapons because why
would they. So my only thought is I don't trust
them to negotiate fairly. I also don't trust them to
give up their ultimate goal, which is nuclear weapons. If
(10:34):
I was in charge of Iran, if I were the
Iatolic Clay, can you imagine the Iotolic Clay would want
nuclear weapons because the way that you protect your power
from external threats is by everybody being afraid that you
might use a nuclear weapon on them. Now, Iran has
all sorts of challenges internally because the theocracy that took
(10:58):
over through the Iyatola really destroyed the freedoms of the
vast majority of the Iranian people, and that tension is
out there Buck. Have you seen some of the videos
of Iran in like nineteen seventy eight, when people are
just women are just walking around in skirts and dresses
and like in modern cities.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It was a hip happened in place before the Ayatola
came along.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And then suddenly you can't be walking around without wearing
a burka. You cannot go watch a soccer match if
you're a woman.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
The way the same thing was true about Afghanistan pre
Soviet invasion and Taliban. It was far more westernized and
liberal on the streets of Kabo, not as much as
Iran was, but they didn't have them dressing like full beekeepers.
So there's a lesson here.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I mean, my point on this is, and look, we're
gonna have to make a decision, and there's gonna be
a lot of smart people arguing a variety of different perspectives.
I am just highly skeptical that Iran is going to say, oh,
you know what, you're right, we shouldn't really have nuclear weapons.
I think they're just going to lie to us and
continue to try to create nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well here is I actually see this strategically, I think
largely the same way that you do on this, I
would say the options are lettern go nuclear, right, whether
people say that should be an option or not, the
reality is they could and we've been told that they
are very close to it.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Part of this is that we've been told they're very
close for more than a decade, and so what is
very close even mean at this point? And how accurate
is our assessment of their program. I'm sure the Israelis
are probably telling us a whole lot. They have better
intel on this than anybody else, But how accurate is it? Okay,
that's part one of it. There's strike and just try
(12:40):
to remove this threat forever, or there's status quo, which
is can we box them, you know, box them out
from going all in with negotiation. This was a little
bit of the Obama approach. It was actually worse than that,
because Obama sold out all other US policy in the
Middle East to get an Iran deal that didn't actually
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have worthwhile enforcement mechanisms and the incentive structure necessary for
the abandonment of the program. It's like, do we want
to live on the knife's edge here essentially, or rather,
should the Middle East live on the knife's edge for
the foreseeable future?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Really, So there's three pathways, right, strike, let them get it,
or status quo, which is waiting to see if they're
going to get it, orf we're going to strike. It
doesn't because I don't think there's any world in which
we say, oh, we've got such an ironclad deal with them,
They're never going to do this.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's just insane.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, they're just trying to extract the maximum concessions
possible before they because once they go nuclear.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, guess what, that's it.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
There's no they're protected forever from anybody trying to externally
remove their positions, people from positions of power. But I
understand and I share the overall sentiment that we don't
want to warn in the Middle East. We don't want
another war in the Middle East. We really really don't.
And you know, iron has seventy million people, It's a
sophisticated country. We don't want it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now would Iran be able to people say, well, if
we struck their reactors, that's that right then with isn't
it over? What if Iran does What if the regime
decides that it's break the glass time for them, and
now they're just gonna push all their proxies, and now
the proxies are in a weaker position. As you can see,
this gets very complicated. But if they engage in a
(14:19):
bunch of mass casualty attacks against US interests or forces
or allies in the region in response to it, do
we let that regime stay in power? It starts to
look like an Afghanistan situation with al Qaeda, right it.
So it's messy, but something clay is going on at
the Pentagon, and we'll continue to watch this and we'll
see if you know, we can get Sean Parnell, our
buddy who's also over at the Senior Echelon's there. I'll
(14:41):
reach out to him and see if he can come
on and talk to us about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
He may.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got Congress and
Ship Roy with us now. Sorry, I got my guest
timeslots confused here, but he's fantastic and weciate and being
here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you, and let's talk
about this. Why are your colleagues all of a sudden
taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to l Salvador.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What do they think they're going to prove with this?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Well, let's kind of hope we're going to talk about
A and M and UT baseball and Austin, but we'll
get to that in a little bit. But look, we've
got we've got my Democratic colleague are doing what they
do best right now. And what I mean by that
is they very much believe, and I believe they mean this.
(19:37):
They believe that non citizens should vote. They believe that
non citizens should be able to flood into the United States, frankly,
at whatever level they see fit, regardless of the law.
And they believe that they're they're in better standing to
try to go defend somebody who has very obvious ties
(19:58):
to MS thirteen, with two courts having acknowledged that very
strong reality or likelihood, and they're fine going down to
try to defend them rather than standing up for the
Americans who were hurt. Now, I mean a lot of
people have been saying this. I mean, that's nothing new
about what I'm saying. But look, I got to be
very personal here. When I've gotten to know Alexis Nunger At,
(20:21):
the wonderful twenty eight year old woman whose daughter Jocelyn
was murdered last summer by Trende and Agua outside of Houston.
That's a real person, A real individual who lost their
life directly. It's consequences the people released into our country.
And now Democrats want to go to Al Salvador to
hold up as a poster child an individual who has
(20:42):
an order of removal, who had his wife go like
file charging against him, who was stopped transporting a car
load of illegals in a car, and who has non
affiliation on MS thirteen. And that is the poster child
for who Democrats would have put front and center. Not
Rachel Morandon her family, not Joscelyn Hungary's family, not Kaylea
(21:03):
Hamilton's family. And that's how out of touch Democrats are.
But the good news is President Trump is trying to
do the right thing, and Republicans in Congress hopefully are
waking up to try to support what President Trump is doing.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
How much of this is just a big structural issue.
We were talking earlier in the show Congressman about the
fact that this is just basically a math problem. If
Biden is going to have, as he did, let in
around ten million illegals, and if you look at the
rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say
he's going to be able to get three hundred and
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fifty thousand people from inside the country out. Basic math
would say it would take thirty years of that to
get the ten million that just came in in the
last four years, to say nothing of all the people
who've come in before. How much of this is structural
in that the president has to have the ability to
get people out of the country as easily as the
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prior president had to let people into the country.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the real battle here in essence, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah, that's where very well stated. And so for those
of us who in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, even under
the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of
the law to try to secure the border himself, and
ultimately COVID was a part of that as well. But
then all through the Bide administration when we were all saying, guys,
they're doing this on purpose. They're violating and abusing parole
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and asylum in our country. We put in place these
laws to try to help people, and they're abusing these
to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how
hard it will be to remove them. Right now, think
about this, Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine
what they'll do when it is the you know grandmother,
(22:47):
you know who is not a criminal or doesn't have
a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully
paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people
flooding our zone, burdening our systems and medicating the hospital
and all that. But isn't a criminal. You know how
that will go. And to your point about the numbers, Okay,
this is why the president and why its team are
(23:08):
fighting this so hard. The president needs to have significant authority,
and I believe does to push back and release people
who were wrongfully put into the United States to or
citizens of other countries. It is the only way to
have a sovereign nation. I believe that the president. I
believe the Vice president. I believe Stephen Miller, I believe
Tom Mahoeman. I believe they are all correct when they
(23:28):
are trying to push back on that notion.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Speaking to Congressmanship Ruy out of Texas a congressman, and
what is it that they I asked Clay this yesterday.
We tried to walk through this so to make the
Democrats who were going down to El Salvador not for
vacation but to meet with Abrago Garcia. To make them happy,
Trump would negotiate a I guess a deal or put
(23:54):
it in a request with Buquali, the president of Elsalvador,
to bring this illegal back to America, so that then
we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him
back to El Salvador. Or or is it just that
they want to bring him back and then try to
jam up the process so he gets to stay, Like
(24:14):
what is their preferred outcome?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be
able to process every single individual who was parolled into
the United States or released into the United States under
ASTYLO laws under Biden, which is a million people, and
to be able to say that each one of them
has an individual claim and do process right to get
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into court to adjudicate the claim. And I don't believe
that is accurate. Right, they had an administrative process we're
going through and determining what their status is, but they
do not like this is not due process in the
sense for all your listeners out there right there, these
individuals aren't charged with a crime like murder as a
non citizen. They come in here and they murder somebody,
(24:59):
or I mean some of them, by the way, But
in this question, it's not that as to whether, okay,
are they getting to process, are they getting a lawyer,
are they getting a chance to go into court and
prove their guilt or innocence. This is literally a question
of status and it's an administrative process and they're trying
to get into court. So yeah, I mean, Steven Miller
outlined this pretty well when you describe the situation with
(25:21):
Garcia down in l Salvador is saying, well, okay, you
want to fly him back here, Well, we can release
them to some other country. Right, So even if you
accept that we can't send him to Al Salvador because
he's threatened by some other game, which was his position
five years ago, he would still be deportable to another
country because a judge has already issued an order of removal.
(25:44):
And that is not the best of my understanding, appealable
other than in the context of the administrative proceedings in questions,
it's not a due process claim. So this is what
democrats are trying to do. They're trying to gain the
system in order to achieve the objective. They're objective of
NGOs going into court and filing suit on every individual
(26:05):
who has released into our country, so the president cannot
release or remove them by class as Joe Biden allowed
them to come in by class.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Congressman Hip Roway with us right now. Earlier this show,
we started off with a clip that I bet you've
seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to
explain why she in any way backed the mental and
physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious what is the
(26:37):
long term fallout in your mind of the biggest why
that's been told in a very, very long time when
it comes to the legacy media and also behind the scenes.
Were Democrats in Congress were they acknowledging that they thought
there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly.
(26:57):
How much discussion do you think there was among Democrats
about what all of us, and certainly we've been talking
about on this show for years, could clearly see.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Well to the second question, which relates to the first.
For the most part, my Democrat colleagues I've met had
a handful of friends who would very honestly and openly
acknowledge their concerns when you'd have a privateversation. But They
were very tight lift about it publicly because the overwhelming
motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has
(27:31):
been hostility to Donald Trump. Sid that has literally been
their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter to
them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present.
I don't know if you all remember, but last July
after the debate, when.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I think we lost it there for a second, broke up,
see if we can get him back here sec to
finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating
around out there, buck is all these books coming out.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I wonder on.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Some level whether the Breio Garcia conversation and everything else
is a desperate attempt to keep people from looking at
all of these stories that come out.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I understand it's in.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The past, but it's such a miscalculation to me to
focus on a Breio Garcia as the front facing element
of the Trump deportation policies that I just find it
almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could be as calculated of
a decision as it appears to be, that you could decide, Hey,
(28:47):
this is the ground upon which we want to fight,
and I think we've got Congressman Chip Roy back with
us right now.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, I'm sorry about that, Clay. All I would say
was Irew's resolution calling on the Vice President to carry
out the to the amendment, right, And why I did
that was because it was very I wanted to call
the question, because it was important that the question get called.
But to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the
core basis, which by the way, relates to the border
issue and immigration. They don't care. It's all about political power.
(29:16):
It is literally all about political power. And I wish
I didn't have to say that, right. I mean, it
oughtn't be that way, all right, to be able to
sit down with some of my Democrat colleagues and figure
out like issues that are important for our people. But
right now it is animus towards Trump, and it is
about opening the floodgates to people to try to build
a political base for themselves for power. And that's it.
(29:37):
That is driving everything they are doing. It's about political power.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Congress and Roy appreciate you being with us, Surah, thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Thanks you guys.
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Speaker 3 (31:15):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
A story that I was talking about off air that
I want to mention here. OutKick has got a story
of Buck about Nike, and we're going to continue to
(31:36):
chase this, but I want to fill you guys in
a little bit about it because I could not believe
that this would be possible for an American sports apparel
brand and shoe brand.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
To be doing.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Nike is evidently Buck, and I'm reading from an OutKick
story Dan Zach Sheesky wrote, and he did a good
job on this. Nike is funding research on children that
are receiving puberty blockers and or hormone therapy and gender
(32:12):
change surgeries to see how that can impact.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Their athletic performance.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Allegedly, they will not issue a full statement, but this
has been It's in a New York Times story this
weekend that they wrote about a trans athlete and Nike
is funding. According to the way this story is written,
Nike is funding gender change. Gender I mean, frankly on kids,
(32:46):
this is I think it's barbarism. I mean, I think
it should be criminal. But for a major company like
Nike to be funding this research is to me beyond
the pale. And this is again a According to a
New York Times story that came out over the weekend,
OutKick requested a comment from Nike. They will not respond
(33:08):
about whether they're funding this research, but the New York
Times story said they were. And I'll just say, if
you weren't, wouldn't know we're not doing this be a
pretty easy answer to give, and so far they're refusing
to answer.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I think we just we.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Need a bunch of like college guys who played a
little high school ball, maybe got some beer bellies going
on to just challenge like the women's basketball team at
their school and to videotape this or something like. I
don't know what I think we have to show the
absurdity now more so than it already is being shown.
I don't know what else can stop this or what
(33:43):
is it going to take for Nike. The people who
are pushing this at Nike are delusional, They're insane. There's
something wrong with them. Listen to this quote, Buck. This
is from the person who's doing the study, which to
me shouldn't be allowed. Recently, we got some money from Nike.
They wanted to study transgender folks who are going through
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transition younger. So we're talking about athletes pausing puberty, gender
affirming care, cross hormonal treatments, what happens to them over time,
funded by.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Nike to see how it impacts athletics. This is barbaric.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And look, I understand people got upset about bud Light
and I'm not drinking bud Light still because of the
ridiculous trans thing they did, But they didn't fund a
study of pre adolescent kids to see how hormone therapy
and chopping off their genitals impacted their athletic performance. I mean,
(34:47):
this is some truly evil, sinister stuff. And again Nike's
not commenting on this at all, but a bunch of
different people, including the New York Times have reported that
they have funded this research. This is beyond the pale.
I mean, I read this and I was in disbelief.
And again I give credit to dan Zach Sheesky for
writing this, and by the way, but nobody else in
(35:09):
the entire sports media would even cover this because they think,
probably this is a good thing. But ninety percent, I
would imagine if parents think like I do, that this
is barbaric. Kids under the age of puberty having gender
surgeries done to them which could sterilize them forever. Is
(35:29):
I mean mean to me, it's criminal. You should go
to prison for doing this. And the fact that a
major athletic company would be funding it is I mean
that they should fire executives who signed off on this.
I don't even see this as a remotely defensible position
for them to have taken. Again, we're going to continue
to cover it, but I wanted to share it with
you guys because I think the spotlight needs to be
(35:50):
shown on this to understand exactly how diabolical it is.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Why is Nike doing this? Now, What's what's the thinking?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think their argument is is they're trying to figure
out how trans athletes should be involved in sports. Wait,
I mean this is crazy. I think they're trying to measure.
Their argument here would be, we're trying to measure how
gender impacts athletic performance, and we all, I just think
(36:20):
it's diabolical. Well we do know that's the Yes, I agree,
but I think a lot of crazy people out there
have bought into this idea that this is that this
is something that should be studied because well, what is
the actual impact of men playing women's sports and hormones
and everything else. I think that's what they're trying to justify.
(36:41):
Crazy world.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
We've got David's wide coming up here on an Abundance
of Caution its new books stay with us
Welcome in second hour of Clay and Buck. Get's going
right now, and we've got a couple of big stories
this hour to hit you with, and also a great guess,
David's Wig will be with us on how Democrats were
completely wrong on everything when it came to COVID, school
locked school shutdowns on lockdown, which play and I have
said for a long time. But you know the you
(00:22):
know the meme that goes around always of Schwarzenegger and
Carl Weather's hand in hand from Predator.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Clay that was like us on COVID. You know that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We were just just two guys with giant biceps locking
locking hands to come together on an issue. And David's
Wig apparently with us there too on this one, saying
that this is total madness. By the way, Predator, I
think all in top five action movie of all time.
I'm even persuadable. It may be my favorite action movie
of all time. Side note, but it's that or die
(00:58):
Hard for me, Predator or die Hard, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I could go out.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think Diehard is the best action movie ever made,
and I know we're gonna get I can't disagree. I
know what it is but blown up like Gladiator and
Brave Heart. There are other movies that are higher level
filmed historical epic.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Those are historical epic. I don't consider those pure action.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
In the old VHS store they would I don't think
they would have gone. And I don't think you put
Gladiator in action. Gladiator is almost like like ben Hur
or The Ten Commandments. It's like a timeless historical epic
that I think is one of the best movies in
my for my money, one of the best movies ever made.
And I think, oh, I tell you that when I
was in the hospital with my wife and we were
(01:40):
trying to figure out, you know what we're going to
watch to pass the time as we were there for
days waiting for a little baby to come out. She's like,
you know, it's like, I haven't seen Blackhawk Down in
a while, such a good movie.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was like, Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So we're in the hospital, well watching black Hawk that
another great movie.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Anyway, I forget what I was.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, yes, we're going to dive into that with David's
why coming up here in a little bit, And I
agree Clay's take on Diehard is strong. Let's get into
the other two big stories right now, Pete Hegseth still
Secretary of Defense. We knew exactly what this was. They're
trying to come up with the city. You know, they're
running the same play hoping that they catch the opposing
(02:23):
team in a moment of disarray, meaning Trump's team. And
I don't think that's going to happen. But there's something
weird going on there because a bunch of people around Pete.
I mean, I know he's Secretary of Hegseth, but to Clay,
to me, he's always.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Going to be Pete at some level. Right Pete is
he's fired, he went on Fox this morning. We'll get
into this.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
People around him have been fired pending investigation for leaks.
But were these people that Pete knew before and trusted?
Something is going on. I don't actually, Clay, do you
feel like you have a really good read on this
yet as to what's going on? Something funky is happening
in the upper reaches of the Pentagon right now. There
are clearly some people who are trying to recap our buddy,
(03:04):
Pete the Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
The only thing that makes sense to me, and I
don't want to go too far into the conspiracy rabbit hole.
But there seems to be an internal debate right now
over how we handle Iran, and I'm not taking either side.
I'm just going to tell you what I think the
two sides are. One is, hey, we're going to try
(03:28):
to peacefully work out a deal that is not going
to require the use of force as it pertains to
nuclear weapons in Iran. Right That is what I would say.
The pathway we are on right now is as it
pertains to the negotiations. The other side is you can't
trust Iran at all. We need to hit them while
(03:50):
they are at their weakest. Syria has collapsed. Hesbill has
basically done. The hamas Terrists are done, the Hooties are done.
Iran has never been weaker. Now is the time to
ensure that they're never able to get a nuclear weapon.
Those are the two sides. Hag Seth seems clearly to
(04:10):
be on the side of, hey, let's try to limit
our use of force here, and there do seem to
be people inside of the Trump administration that want to
use force the only reason, like does that seem like
there could be like kind of the underlying essence of
what's going on here that and that also ties into
what some of the of the leaks have have been.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I find myself and again, Pete went to a rock
for his country, remember the military. I went to a
rock for our country, remember the CIA.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And there'll be more cool CIA stories, by the way,
I can tell you because now the book has been cleared,
so as the book gets closer. Actually, that was why
I had to be held up, because I talked about
some of the stuff from back in the day because
it's been a long time now, and the Agency's like, yeah,
you can talk about that stuff that I've never talked
about before, that none of you ever heard before. So
that's an exciting little preview of yeah, there'll be some
good There'll be some good stuff, some good story that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm actually curious to see. The stories.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I haven't even necessarily told my man Clay some of
this stuff. That's what I'm saying. I'm classified, but now
it's not classified because I got it cleared, So I'm
excited to talk about some of this stuff. But anyway,
back to speaking classified not classified. Pete has said that
there were leakers and that he had to get rid
of them.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
This is cut too. He was on.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
This is from Fox and Friends, right guys this morning,
because there's been a lot of a lot of chatter
around this. This is cut to Here's Secretary of Defense,
hegseeth on this latest attempt to let's be honest, to
oust him play it.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
What was shared over signal then and now, however you
characterize it was informal, unclassified coordinations for media coordination other things.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's what I've said from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
At the beginning, it was left wing reporters from the
Atlantic who got a hold of it and then wanted
to create a problem for the president.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
This is what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Trying to get at President Trump and his agenda. And
so when we had leaks, which we have had, we
did a serious leak investigation, and through that leak investigation, unfortunately,
we found some folks that we believe we're not holding
to the protocols that we hold dear here at the
Defense Department. Through that investigation, they had been moved on
and that investigation continues.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So you is there anything else that could be going on.
I mean, I think it's clear Hegseth is not like
one of the cool kids who has spent his whole
career in the Pentagon, and there's an outsider insider dynamic
that's clear right that it's going on. But is it
iron Do you buy into me that it being Ultimately
this is a battle over what our response to Iran
(06:41):
should be or is it something more that we're missing?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
He will well let yes, yes, based on some of
the leaks. Also, our friend Under Secretary of Defense Bridge Colby,
who I was very in favor of because I've known
him forever and he's brilliant and he's one of us.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
There was a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Resistance to him now, to be fair, like Senator Cotton
voted for him, and you know, it all went through,
but there were questions about where he was on Iran.
There were concerns that he was too duvish on Iran.
Knowing Bridge, Well, I would never consider him duvish on anything.
He's a he's an America first patriot, right, He's like,
(07:23):
whatever America has to do to protect ourselves, our interests
in our people, is what we're going to do. On
the issue of use of force against Iran, though it's
not as clear as just yeah, blow up their stuff
because they're bad and there's no blowback on us. And
I think those of us who come from the what
I consider the nine to eleven generation, a lot of
you and a lot of you paid a very serious
(07:46):
price in being away from your family, away from your
wife or your husband, you know, twelve maybe even fifteen
months if you got extended deployment in Iraq. Maybe some
of you have been wounded, maybe some of you lost
brothers in arms. It's like, you all know what I'm
talking about here. We don't want to get into some
Mid East war that we shouldn't be getting into. That
(08:07):
is a lesson that our generation, Clay people your age,
my age in particular, learned because we were the ones,
age wise who surged into this.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It was really you know.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Millennials, gen X, They were the ones who were predominantly
serving in the Middle East and Iraq specifically. So, but
I just want this debate to be happening. I don't
want this debate to be knife fights behind closed doors
in the e ring of the Pentagon. I want this
to be out in public so we know what's going
(08:40):
on here. And so that's part of this makes me.
It makes me uncomfortable because I see that there's this
little war of leaks, and there's this this, these games
going on, and this stuff is deadly serious. If we're
really talking about use of force against Iran, the American people,
Donald Trump, this needs to be out there so we
understand what the implications are. I don't think that we
(09:02):
should wake up one day and just find out that
the reactors are smoldering and let's see what happens next.
I do not like that approach to this.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't think Trump's going to do that, but I
do get the sense there are some people in the
upper echelons of the Pentagon who do want that to happen. Well,
I think the danger is just this. We have no
idea what Iran's gonna do, and in the same way
you can if you're being honest. The reason why North
(09:29):
Korea and Iran want nuclear weapons is because once you
have nuclear weapons, the regime in power is basically protected
from external threats forever. This is some people call the
Libya lesson, or even the Ukraine lesson. I might add Ukraine,
third largest nuclear power in the world, signs the Budapest Memorandum,
and Russia, the UK, and the US say don't worry,
(09:52):
give up your nukes. And we'll protect you. Yikes, that
didn't work out well for them, so you might have Kadafi.
Kadafi thing I think is even more visceral because of
what happened to him, and he was trying to play
ball on the WMD front after what happened in Iraq
did not work out well for him.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sorry, No, I think that's the lesson.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
If you're out there, I think you have to consider
the goals of the other side. And I don't buy
that Iran's going to give up nuclear weapons because why
would they. So my only thought is I don't trust
them to negotiate fairly. I also don't trust them to
give up their ultimate goal, which is nuclear weapons. If
(10:34):
I was in charge of Iran, if I were the
Iatolic Clay, can you imagine the Iotolic Clay would want
nuclear weapons because the way that you protect your power
from external threats is by everybody being afraid that you
might use a nuclear weapon on them. Now, Iran has
all sorts of challenges internally because the theocracy that took
(10:58):
over through the Iyatola really destroyed the freedoms of the
vast majority of the Iranian people, and that tension is
out there Buck. Have you seen some of the videos
of Iran in like nineteen seventy eight, when people are
just women are just walking around in skirts and dresses
and like in modern cities.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It was a hip happened in place before the Ayatola
came along.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And then suddenly you can't be walking around without wearing
a burka. You cannot go watch a soccer match if
you're a woman.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
The way the same thing was true about Afghanistan pre
Soviet invasion and Taliban. It was far more westernized and
liberal on the streets of Kabo, not as much as
Iran was, but they didn't have them dressing like full beekeepers.
So there's a lesson here.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I mean, my point on this is, and look, we're
gonna have to make a decision, and there's gonna be
a lot of smart people arguing a variety of different perspectives.
I am just highly skeptical that Iran is going to say, oh,
you know what, you're right, we shouldn't really have nuclear weapons.
I think they're just going to lie to us and
continue to try to create nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well here is I actually see this strategically, I think
largely the same way that you do on this, I
would say the options are lettern go nuclear, right, whether
people say that should be an option or not, the
reality is they could and we've been told that they
are very close to it.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Part of this is that we've been told they're very
close for more than a decade, and so what is
very close even mean at this point? And how accurate
is our assessment of their program. I'm sure the Israelis
are probably telling us a whole lot. They have better
intel on this than anybody else, But how accurate is it? Okay,
that's part one of it. There's strike and just try
(12:40):
to remove this threat forever, or there's status quo, which
is can we box them, you know, box them out
from going all in with negotiation. This was a little
bit of the Obama approach. It was actually worse than that,
because Obama sold out all other US policy in the
Middle East to get an Iran deal that didn't actually
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have worthwhile enforcement mechanisms and the incentive structure necessary for
the abandonment of the program. It's like, do we want
to live on the knife's edge here essentially, or rather,
should the Middle East live on the knife's edge for
the foreseeable future?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Really, So there's three pathways, right, strike, let them get it,
or status quo, which is waiting to see if they're
going to get it, orf we're going to strike. It
doesn't because I don't think there's any world in which
we say, oh, we've got such an ironclad deal with them,
They're never going to do this.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's just insane.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, they're just trying to extract the maximum concessions
possible before they because once they go nuclear.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, guess what, that's it.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
There's no they're protected forever from anybody trying to externally
remove their positions, people from positions of power. But I
understand and I share the overall sentiment that we don't
want to warn in the Middle East. We don't want
another war in the Middle East. We really really don't.
And you know, iron has seventy million people, It's a
sophisticated country. We don't want it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now would Iran be able to people say, well, if
we struck their reactors, that's that right then with isn't
it over? What if Iran does What if the regime
decides that it's break the glass time for them, and
now they're just gonna push all their proxies, and now
the proxies are in a weaker position. As you can see,
this gets very complicated. But if they engage in a
(14:19):
bunch of mass casualty attacks against US interests or forces
or allies in the region in response to it, do
we let that regime stay in power? It starts to
look like an Afghanistan situation with al Qaeda, right it.
So it's messy, but something clay is going on at
the Pentagon, and we'll continue to watch this and we'll
see if you know, we can get Sean Parnell, our
buddy who's also over at the Senior Echelon's there. I'll
(14:41):
reach out to him and see if he can come
on and talk to us about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
He may.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'm sure there are limitations, of course, and there is
classified concerns here, but he can tell us what he's
allowed to tell us. There's a phrase you're gonna hear
later this year in the news cycle, maybe even before
Memorial Day. The term is sovereign wealth funds, and it
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You know we're in the process of moving in the
house Buck, and my wife has been collating everything moving
into a new house. I don't know when the new
house is gonna be done, but I walked into the
bathroom my jaw dropped. Every one of her shoes in
the entire house was all laid out because she's in
the process of kind of packing them up. And I
counted and she had ninety pairs of shoes. Now, these
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are all types of shoes, Like I'm not an expert
on women's shoes, but like sandals to you know, fancy
heels that you would wear to like a well, I
don't know, like a formal dinner or something. And I
just I was in disbelief. I could not imagine. I
put it up, like, is this normal? Most women out there,
(17:42):
it sounds like, have shoe collections of this kind of
magnitude and I would pay ninety.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But they probably have a big shoe collection. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got Congress and
Ship Roy with us now. Sorry, I got my guest
timeslots confused here, but he's fantastic and weciate and being
here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you, and let's talk
about this. Why are your colleagues all of a sudden
taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to l Salvador.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What do they think they're going to prove with this?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Well, let's kind of hope we're going to talk about
A and M and UT baseball and Austin, but we'll
get to that in a little bit. But look, we've
got we've got my Democratic colleague are doing what they
do best right now. And what I mean by that
is they very much believe, and I believe they mean this.
(19:37):
They believe that non citizens should vote. They believe that
non citizens should be able to flood into the United States, frankly,
at whatever level they see fit, regardless of the law.
And they believe that they're they're in better standing to
try to go defend somebody who has very obvious ties
(19:58):
to MS thirteen, with two courts having acknowledged that very
strong reality or likelihood, and they're fine going down to
try to defend them rather than standing up for the
Americans who were hurt. Now, I mean a lot of
people have been saying this. I mean, that's nothing new
about what I'm saying. But look, I got to be
very personal here. When I've gotten to know Alexis Nunger At,
(20:21):
the wonderful twenty eight year old woman whose daughter Jocelyn
was murdered last summer by Trende and Agua outside of Houston.
That's a real person, A real individual who lost their
life directly. It's consequences the people released into our country.
And now Democrats want to go to Al Salvador to
hold up as a poster child an individual who has
(20:42):
an order of removal, who had his wife go like
file charging against him, who was stopped transporting a car
load of illegals in a car, and who has non
affiliation on MS thirteen. And that is the poster child
for who Democrats would have put front and center. Not
Rachel Morandon her family, not Joscelyn Hungary's family, not Kaylea
(21:03):
Hamilton's family. And that's how out of touch Democrats are.
But the good news is President Trump is trying to
do the right thing, and Republicans in Congress hopefully are
waking up to try to support what President Trump is doing.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
How much of this is just a big structural issue.
We were talking earlier in the show Congressman about the
fact that this is just basically a math problem. If
Biden is going to have, as he did, let in
around ten million illegals, and if you look at the
rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say
he's going to be able to get three hundred and
(21:35):
fifty thousand people from inside the country out. Basic math
would say it would take thirty years of that to
get the ten million that just came in in the
last four years, to say nothing of all the people
who've come in before. How much of this is structural
in that the president has to have the ability to
get people out of the country as easily as the
(21:58):
prior president had to let people into the country.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's the real battle here in essence, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah, that's where very well stated. And so for those
of us who in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, even under
the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of
the law to try to secure the border himself, and
ultimately COVID was a part of that as well. But
then all through the Bide administration when we were all saying, guys,
they're doing this on purpose. They're violating and abusing parole
(22:26):
and asylum in our country. We put in place these
laws to try to help people, and they're abusing these
to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how
hard it will be to remove them. Right now, think
about this, Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine
what they'll do when it is the you know grandmother,
(22:47):
you know who is not a criminal or doesn't have
a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully
paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people
flooding our zone, burdening our systems and medicating the hospital
and all that. But isn't a criminal. You know how
that will go. And to your point about the numbers, Okay,
this is why the president and why its team are
(23:08):
fighting this so hard. The president needs to have significant authority,
and I believe does to push back and release people
who were wrongfully put into the United States to or
citizens of other countries. It is the only way to
have a sovereign nation. I believe that the president. I
believe the Vice president. I believe Stephen Miller, I believe
Tom Mahoeman. I believe they are all correct when they
(23:28):
are trying to push back on that notion.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Speaking to Congressmanship Ruy out of Texas a congressman, and
what is it that they I asked Clay this yesterday.
We tried to walk through this so to make the
Democrats who were going down to El Salvador not for
vacation but to meet with Abrago Garcia. To make them happy,
Trump would negotiate a I guess a deal or put
(23:54):
it in a request with Buquali, the president of Elsalvador,
to bring this illegal back to America, so that then
we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him
back to El Salvador. Or or is it just that
they want to bring him back and then try to
jam up the process so he gets to stay, Like
(24:14):
what is their preferred outcome?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be
able to process every single individual who was parolled into
the United States or released into the United States under
ASTYLO laws under Biden, which is a million people, and
to be able to say that each one of them
has an individual claim and do process right to get
(24:38):
into court to adjudicate the claim. And I don't believe
that is accurate. Right, they had an administrative process we're
going through and determining what their status is, but they
do not like this is not due process in the
sense for all your listeners out there right there, these
individuals aren't charged with a crime like murder as a
non citizen. They come in here and they murder somebody,
(24:59):
or I mean some of them, by the way, But
in this question, it's not that as to whether, okay,
are they getting to process, are they getting a lawyer,
are they getting a chance to go into court and
prove their guilt or innocence. This is literally a question
of status and it's an administrative process and they're trying
to get into court. So yeah, I mean, Steven Miller
outlined this pretty well when you describe the situation with
(25:21):
Garcia down in l Salvador is saying, well, okay, you
want to fly him back here, Well, we can release
them to some other country. Right, So even if you
accept that we can't send him to Al Salvador because
he's threatened by some other game, which was his position
five years ago, he would still be deportable to another
country because a judge has already issued an order of removal.
(25:44):
And that is not the best of my understanding, appealable
other than in the context of the administrative proceedings in questions,
it's not a due process claim. So this is what
democrats are trying to do. They're trying to gain the
system in order to achieve the objective. They're objective of
NGOs going into court and filing suit on every individual
(26:05):
who has released into our country, so the president cannot
release or remove them by class as Joe Biden allowed
them to come in by class.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Congressman Hip Roway with us right now. Earlier this show,
we started off with a clip that I bet you've
seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to
explain why she in any way backed the mental and
physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious what is the
(26:37):
long term fallout in your mind of the biggest why
that's been told in a very, very long time when
it comes to the legacy media and also behind the scenes.
Were Democrats in Congress were they acknowledging that they thought
there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly.
(26:57):
How much discussion do you think there was among Democrats
about what all of us, and certainly we've been talking
about on this show for years, could clearly see.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Well to the second question, which relates to the first.
For the most part, my Democrat colleagues I've met had
a handful of friends who would very honestly and openly
acknowledge their concerns when you'd have a privateversation. But They
were very tight lift about it publicly because the overwhelming
motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has
(27:31):
been hostility to Donald Trump. Sid that has literally been
their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter to
them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present.
I don't know if you all remember, but last July
after the debate, when.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I think we lost it there for a second, broke up,
see if we can get him back here sec to
finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating
around out there, buck is all these books coming out.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I wonder on.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Some level whether the Breio Garcia conversation and everything else
is a desperate attempt to keep people from looking at
all of these stories that come out.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I understand it's in.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The past, but it's such a miscalculation to me to
focus on a Breio Garcia as the front facing element
of the Trump deportation policies that I just find it
almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could be as calculated of
a decision as it appears to be, that you could decide, Hey,
(28:47):
this is the ground upon which we want to fight,
and I think we've got Congressman Chip Roy back with
us right now.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, I'm sorry about that, Clay. All I would say
was Irew's resolution calling on the Vice President to carry
out the to the amendment, right, And why I did
that was because it was very I wanted to call
the question, because it was important that the question get called.
But to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the
core basis, which by the way, relates to the border
issue and immigration. They don't care. It's all about political power.
(29:16):
It is literally all about political power. And I wish
I didn't have to say that, right. I mean, it
oughtn't be that way, all right, to be able to
sit down with some of my Democrat colleagues and figure
out like issues that are important for our people. But
right now it is animus towards Trump, and it is
about opening the floodgates to people to try to build
a political base for themselves for power. And that's it.
(29:37):
That is driving everything they are doing. It's about political power.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Congress and Roy appreciate you being with us, Surah, thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Thanks you guys.
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A story that I was talking about off air that
I want to mention here. OutKick has got a story
of Buck about Nike, and we're going to continue to
(31:36):
chase this, but I want to fill you guys in
a little bit about it because I could not believe
that this would be possible for an American sports apparel
brand and shoe brand.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
To be doing.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Nike is evidently Buck, and I'm reading from an OutKick
story Dan Zach Sheesky wrote, and he did a good
job on this. Nike is funding research on children that
are receiving puberty blockers and or hormone therapy and gender
(32:12):
change surgeries to see how that can impact.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Their athletic performance.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Allegedly, they will not issue a full statement, but this
has been It's in a New York Times story this
weekend that they wrote about a trans athlete and Nike
is funding. According to the way this story is written,
Nike is funding gender change. Gender I mean, frankly on kids,
(32:46):
this is I think it's barbarism. I mean, I think
it should be criminal. But for a major company like
Nike to be funding this research is to me beyond
the pale. And this is again a According to a
New York Times story that came out over the weekend,
OutKick requested a comment from Nike. They will not respond
(33:08):
about whether they're funding this research, but the New York
Times story said they were. And I'll just say, if
you weren't, wouldn't know we're not doing this be a
pretty easy answer to give, and so far they're refusing
to answer.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I think we just we.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Need a bunch of like college guys who played a
little high school ball, maybe got some beer bellies going
on to just challenge like the women's basketball team at
their school and to videotape this or something like. I
don't know what I think we have to show the
absurdity now more so than it already is being shown.
I don't know what else can stop this or what
(33:43):
is it going to take for Nike. The people who
are pushing this at Nike are delusional, They're insane. There's
something wrong with them. Listen to this quote, Buck. This
is from the person who's doing the study, which to
me shouldn't be allowed. Recently, we got some money from Nike.
They wanted to study transgender folks who are going through
(34:04):
transition younger. So we're talking about athletes pausing puberty, gender
affirming care, cross hormonal treatments, what happens to them over time,
funded by.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Nike to see how it impacts athletics. This is barbaric.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And look, I understand people got upset about bud Light
and I'm not drinking bud Light still because of the
ridiculous trans thing they did, But they didn't fund a
study of pre adolescent kids to see how hormone therapy
and chopping off their genitals impacted their athletic performance. I mean,
(34:47):
this is some truly evil, sinister stuff. And again Nike's
not commenting on this at all, but a bunch of
different people, including the New York Times have reported that
they have funded this research. This is beyond the pale.
I mean, I read this and I was in disbelief.
And again I give credit to dan Zach Sheesky for
writing this, and by the way, but nobody else in
(35:09):
the entire sports media would even cover this because they think,
probably this is a good thing. But ninety percent, I
would imagine if parents think like I do, that this
is barbaric. Kids under the age of puberty having gender
surgeries done to them which could sterilize them forever. Is
(35:29):
I mean mean to me, it's criminal. You should go
to prison for doing this. And the fact that a
major athletic company would be funding it is I mean
that they should fire executives who signed off on this.
I don't even see this as a remotely defensible position
for them to have taken. Again, we're going to continue
to cover it, but I wanted to share it with
you guys because I think the spotlight needs to be
(35:50):
shown on this to understand exactly how diabolical it is.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Why is Nike doing this? Now, What's what's the thinking?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think their argument is is they're trying to figure
out how trans athletes should be involved in sports. Wait,
I mean this is crazy. I think they're trying to measure.
Their argument here would be, we're trying to measure how
gender impacts athletic performance, and we all, I just think
(36:20):
it's diabolical. Well we do know that's the Yes, I agree,
but I think a lot of crazy people out there
have bought into this idea that this is that this
is something that should be studied because well, what is
the actual impact of men playing women's sports and hormones
and everything else. I think that's what they're trying to justify.
(36:41):
Crazy world.
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