May 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a deep dive into the fiscal crisis facing the United States, featuring an in-depth interview with Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. The hour centers on the controversial “Big Beautiful Bill” currently under debate in Congress, which Johnson argues is a misnomer masking a failure to reduce federal spending and national debt. He criticizes the bill for embedding Biden-era budget increases, including COVID-era spending and Medicaid expansion, into the long-term federal budget—moves he says will balloon the national debt from $37 trillion to over $60 trillion in the next decade. Senator Johnson outlines the historical context of federal spending, comparing the current trajectory to post-World War II fiscal policy, and calls for a return to responsible budgeting. He advocates for a line-by-line budget review process to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse, and warns of the dangers of unchecked mandatory spending and the erosion of discretionary budget oversight. Johnson also highlights the risk of the U.S. dollar losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, citing rising interest payments on the debt and recent credit downgrades as red flags. The hour also features a compelling conversation with former NFL kicker and CBS analyst Jay Feely, who is now running for Congress in Arizona’s 5th District to replace Andy Biggs, who is running for governor. Feely discusses his support for President Trump, his stance on conservative values, and his opposition to transgender athletes competing in women’s sports. He shares personal stories from his NFL career, including being spoofed on Saturday Night Live and making a game-winning kick under pressure, drawing parallels between sports discipline and political leadership. Listeners are treated to a blend of fiscal policy analysis, political commentary, and cultural insight, making Hour 2 a must-listen for those interested in the intersection of government spending, conservative politics, and American values.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
So many different moving stories over the weekend that we
are chasing here with all of you on Monday. With
the Biden health situation is such a huge story. We
(00:20):
talked about it the whole first hour at two, So
an hour from now we're going to have part of
the Clay and Buck podcast. Network also Fox News contributor
doctor Nicole Sapphire to analyze this from a doctor perspective,
what she thinks of Biden's help we bring in now.
I was texting with him on Friday. He was listening
(00:41):
to Buck as I was trying to get to the airport.
Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, in addition to everything else
going on, the biggest thing on Capitol Hill right now
is the so called Big Beautiful Bill, which is trying
to be passed at some point between now and Memorial Day.
Is understanding you were hearing the discussion about the budget.
(01:05):
You've been really outspoken and I think frankly right. Senator
Johnson with us now from Wisconsin about the fact that
we basically are embedding the Biden budget in this new one,
and the COVID spending, instead of being ratcheted back down,
is now a part of the American budget going forward.
(01:26):
But I want you to lay that out because I
think it's a very cojin argument and it's one that
this audience needs to hear well.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
First of all, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
As I said my Wallstreet Journal column, too often the
reality of these budget debates get obscured in minor details,
politically charge issues, in demagogurey, and that's what's going on
right now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Listen. I'm a big support of President Trump. I could
not be happy with how boldly.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Decisively, swiftly he's acting to honor the promises made. But
the problem is, I to be honest, the big beautiful
bill is it's just mislabeled.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I would think.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The number one goal of any of this Republican budget
reconciliation would be to.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Not increase the deaths. That'd be the first goal.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, we should start bending the spending curve down,
we should start reducing the projected depth. But that's how
what's happening. So again we lose sight of the big picture,
you know, lose sight of the forest. For really arguing
over twigs and leaves, and so let me let me
just kind of lay out the reality. First of all,
you have to understand how the increase in spending from
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twenty nineteen to this year is unprecedented except under World
War Two, which by the way, we returned to a
pre war level spending by nineteen forty. It actually below
where we were from the start of the war. So
it's possible if you have responsible leadership, but again, unprecedented level.
From four point four trillion or a better way to
put that, four four hundred billion dollars over seven thousand
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billion dollars, that's a fifty eight increase in the last
six years, completely unprecedented. I always use the analogy of
a family.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No family if they had an illness.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And they had to borrow fifty thousand dollars to pay
off those medical bills. If that family, remember, got well,
they wouldn't keep borrowing that money and spending that level.
But that's exactly what we've done. So we had a
once in a lifetime opportunity to address this unprecedented level
of increases spending, and we're not doing it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
We're doing the same things. And as you said, too.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're literally codifying what we all ran and said, we're
going to repeel and replace Obamacare.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We're not talking about Medicaid here.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Nobody wants to reduce benefits for the disabled and the
people that Medicaid was designed for. What we're addressing is
how Obamacare, the Medicaid expansion for single a working age
able bodies, tildless adults, they get paid ninety cents on
the dollar by the federal government, which is causing all
(03:59):
kinds of abuse at the state level.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Basically state stealing from.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The federal government, not checking eligibility, allowing illegal I'm going.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
To get medicaid, putting it risk to Medicaid for those children.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So you know, the whole salt debate, the Green New Scan,
none of these things are being addressed, honestly. And if
you really look at it, look at the numbers, and
I look at the numbers, we will actually increase the
death that over the next ten years, going from right
now thirty seven trillion dollars in depth, CBO says will
be at fifty nine. My guests would probably increase that
by about four trillion dollars with a big new deal,
(04:35):
the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That neflist is sixty two to sixty.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Three trillion dollars. Again, you have to be honest. And
by the way, I know I know Buck at the
end of the show, or I think you might ask
me this last time out, what are you.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Going to cut?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's impossible to say. You know, Medicaid absolutely have to
go after that. But what you need is a process.
And then what we've never had a process to control
spending the federal government. We don't a budget. Bell's budget requirement.
I didn't realize it's the appropriation committees were actually established
because the authorizing committees were big spenders. Well, that didn't work.
(05:09):
The Budget Act didn't work, Simpson Bulls didn't work. The
Budget Control Act didn't work. So what I've been proposing
is what those are showing us, how to do.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You have to do the work. You have to go
line by line.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Contract by contract, through over a couple of thousand lines
of the federal budget, the entire budget. And I have
to believe on having gone from four four hundred billion
to seven thousand billion dollars, that you will find hundreds
of billions of dollars of spending that if you eliminate
it nobody would even notice, other than the grifters who
(05:41):
are sucking at the public trought. They're sucking down that
waist for ourn abuse. So you've got to go through
that process. You have to do the work passing a big,
beautiful bill. By the end of this week, we haven't
gone through the work.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We're doing the same old thing. Exempt almost every program,
look at a few things. That's not painful enough. Nobody
even notice that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Let's have all the savings toward the tail end of
the of the budget period. Clapperhand said, we did a
good job. No, this is completely an inadequate understanding. This
is a once in a lifetime opportunity to get it right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Let's take the time. By the way, the way you
do it is split it up this way.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
John Thune the Senate, always wanted to at this point,
I think he's whatever House sends us, we need to
skin it up. Provide the border funding, the defense funding,
take a lot of the spending reductions. You know, use
what the House did at least eight hundred and fifty
that was a set of resolution. Extend the current tax law,
take an automatic tax increase off the table. Give President
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Trump a debt ceiling, relief, but not five trillion dollars.
Let's let's keep a little pressure on so we can
come back do another iteration of this now, I we'll
use the twenty twenty five budgets, but probably also the
FISCO twenty twenty six for further reconciliations. You've got to
do this in multiple steps. You can't do it in
one big step, because if we do that, we won't
(06:58):
come back and we will blow in our one lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us as always.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
And and uh, I guess just there's a frustration that
I think I have, and I'm sure I'm not alone here,
which is that you are telling us all of this,
and everything that you are saying makes sense and certainly
is along with what we have been told needs to
happen numerically mathematically like this is. And that's I think
(07:24):
at the heart of DOGE and at the heart of
a big part of what was promised with this new
administration would be we're gonna We're gonna tackle this and
do what is necessary based on the numbers so that
we don't head off of a of a fiscal cliff.
And yet you know the White House. I was watching
this morning the press conference. White House seems to love
(07:45):
the bill, thinks it's a huge step forward and it's fantastic. So,
I mean, I have to ask, where's the where's the
disconnect here? And how is it? How is it possible?
You're telling us the work's not being done, the cuts
aren't being made, and there's far too much of a
debt increase here. Meanwhile, the White House and certainly a
lot of other Republicans are saying, this is amazing, this
is moving us forward, Like, where is the uh, just
(08:10):
where is that disconnect? Explain to me how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, it's the Dinnes stream rhetoric and reality.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So the reality is that the House says, oh, we're
going to cut one point five tillion. Sounds like a lot,
but that's one hundred and fifty billion. That take us
from over seven trillion to just under seven trillion dollars. Okay,
don't I know that the people that voted for Trump
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Defeat the deep state.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You don't defeat the deep state by funding it at
Biden's levels. So again, the numbers just don't add up.
According to CBO will add twenty two trillion dollars to
the dead.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Over the next ten years.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
That's two point two trillion dollars per year of deaths
of spending. And we're going to add to that with
a big, new, beautiful bill. So again, that is the reality.
The other stuff is all rhetoric. Washington runs on rhetoric.
That's why we're thirty seven trillion debt. And this is
the way it's always done. You know, package everything into
some really big bill so that you force people who
(09:07):
don't want to automatic tax increase, who don't want to
see it a fault on the debt, to vote for
something that is completely inadequate. And that's how you force
it through. So you break it up. You do it
in the things that we at first agree on the
border defense, Take as many spending reductions as the House
has already identified. Thank that, you know, extend the current
(09:31):
tax law, give give Presdent Trump a smaller increase in
death ceiling. Then you can come back. There's plent there's
plenty of reasons to come back. You know President Trump's
tax priorities. We're gonna have to come back because the
death ceiling hasn't been raised for four years. By the way,
just just extend the death ceiling into the beginning of
next year will probably require something like two and a
(09:54):
half to three trillion dollars. That out a shock everybody.
We have to stop seen by the graveyard here.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson and Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're a business guy, and unfortunately there are not that
many business guys and in in Congress in general, certainly
almost none on the on the Democrat side. What do
you expect to see? We're at thirty seven thirty eight
trillion dollar national debt right now. If as these numbers
(10:24):
continue to go, we're talking about seventy five one hundred
trillion dollars in the next generation. I don't think those
are crazy numbers. The debt becomes a higher and higher part,
Paying interest on the debt becomes a higher and higher part,
to say nothing of Social Security, medicare all of those things.
At what point does this era of you can always
(10:46):
keep borrowing? Do we run into a wall? Are we
already there? And is that one of the lessons the
bond market is giving us. This is getting in the
weeds a little bit, but you know that where it
really hits people is you can't get a low rate
on your mortgage, your insurance rates, your interest rates on cars,
and on your credit cards. I mean, it's just not
(11:09):
coming back down like maybe we thought it would.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
The fact that a dollar you held in twenty nineteen
is only worth eighty cents, that's really an indication of
you know, not quite as noticeable of a debt crisis.
But I mean, the real danger is when the US
dalla is no longer the world's reserve currency, and you know,
the brick countries are trying to replace the dollar as
the reserve currency. More and more global trade is being
(11:35):
done in those currencies. And why is that important Is
if we're not the world's reserve currency, if.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We just can't keep pretty money, we're.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Also in sudden going to be subject to global debt markets.
And again it's not a good sign that Moody's now
is are the third grading credit agency that's downgraded our
credit rating. That's not a good sign. That ought to
weight people up. But when that happens, all of a sudden,
credits are out of the world. Go yeah, I'll want
you some more money, but not at that interest rate.
We've already got interest now exceeding eight trillion dollars a year,
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but more than we spent out defense over the next
ten years, about fourteen trillion dollars just interest on the debt.
Of the eighty nine trillion dollars I'm going to spend,
fourteen trillion is just on interest. It buys nothing. It's
just paying off irresponsible government basically.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
You know, I know you you Senate types don't like
to name names among your colleagues, especially on your own side.
But Senator Johnson, I just as you're telling us that
you're laying this out, are the Senate Republicans who don't care,
it seems, about what you're laying out, unaware of it
or do they just like to make sure all the
piggies stay at the trough and it's not their problem.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So three years ago, when we were debating onto the
spending bill, I asked my Senate college, Hey, anybody know
how much we spent in total last year? Nobody answered.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I went out to the Washington Press Corps ask these
same questions. So much what It's over trillion dollars and
that's just discretionary spend. That's only twenty five cent of
our budget. Nobody knew because we never talk about it.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, we're the largest financial entity in the world. We
wor supposedly the five hundred and thirty five members of
the Board of Directors, and nobody knew in total how
much we spend. Again, we never discussed it. We only
appropriate the twenty five cent of the budget. Everything else
is on automatic pilot. And by the way, that's one
of the devioust things that the Unit Party has done.
They've shifted what should be discretionary spending into other mandatory.
(13:34):
When I talked about in this is something else I
had to reveal. I'm providing all this information my colleagues. Now,
we went from six hundred and forty two billion dollars
of other mandatory, not social security, not medicare, not even medicaid,
from about six forty two in twenty nineteen up to
about one point three trillion dollars two years ago. It's
still over trillion dollars now, just in that alone, you
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take a look at how much we increased spending above
and beyond twenty nineteen plus up for inflation and population growth,
that be a reasonable control, right, there's literally hundreds of
billions of dollars that we've increased spending beyond that control.
So that's why I have to go line by line.
That's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
In business. You have a budget review panel.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's where I propose senors, House members, members of MB
bring up these department heads with their budget gurus. Go
line by line, justify this. Why is this spending line
so much more above twenty nineteen level inflation and population growth?
Yet you have to do the work dose you're shown
us and by the way the point being made that
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has to be made.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's great. I mean, I love what dough is done.
It's identified, it exposed it. It's also exposed how clueless
and oblivious.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Cous is to the ways for an abuse. But how
do we bank those? How do we codify it? We
haven't gotten the recision package of this administration. They've talked
about a nine billion one. Apparently that's already been tanked.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
We haven't got it. I mean, you have to.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
At some point in time codify what DOGE is identifying.
Their website got turned into law. You got to end
the spending, and we're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Sener Ron Johnson, we appreciate you. You always have an
open forum here with our audience. They love you, We
appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for filling us.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
In, Thanks for the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Take care for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I love Senator Ron Johnson because that whole discussion Buck.
I even started smile laugh a little bit to myself.
I'm just picturing Ron Johnson being like, this is what
it would be like if you were his kid and
you came home and the credit card bill was not
in any way defensible. Right, kid goes off to college
(15:44):
and dad looks at the credit card bill, just go
in line by line, just utterly disgusted. You spent this
on an uber what you couldn't have gotten pizza cheaper
than this?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Like it is.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It is just the ultimate America Dad budget analysis. And
you know what, he's right about virtually everything he's saying,
as your dad was often right when he was going
through all your spending when you were a young knucklehead kid.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck just real quick. I
wanted you to hear from Oh no, we actually don't
have time for Clay. I dear from the White House
later about the big beautiful bill because the clock has
around us. We have Jay Feely who is running for Congress.
You're gonna be introducing this fellow next. I remember him
very high rating when I used to play the Madden
PlayStation game as a kicker, so I was I was
(17:49):
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
He is a great former kicker now running in the
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back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We head out
to the state of Arizona. It's gonna be a major
battleground as it always has been the past several cycles,
but certainly in twenty twenty six opportunity to replace the governor.
(19:14):
There big battle going on over who the representative will
be and wanting to go to DC. Friend of the show,
Jay Feely, Arizona's fifth congressional district. Jay Feely, many of
you know, played in the NFL fourteen years, has been
also ten years as an NFL analyst with CBS. And
(19:37):
what's this status prequel? Stat Pat summer All is the
only kicker to be in the broadcast booth more than
you doing NFL games.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, everybody knows Pat Summerol as the legendary co
host of John Madden back in the day. But also
a lot of people don't realize this Pat Summerol, father
of Susie Wiles who is now the chief of Staff
and Trump administration two point zero tying it all together
there for you, Jay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Just an honor to be even mentioned with Pat Summroll
because he is such a legend, and you know, very
cool to see what Susie is doing with President Trump
and how respected she is. You know, We've gotten to
know each other a couple of times with Saint Jude
because I've done a lot with Saint Jude. I had
a niece of mine who has gone twice to Saint
(20:27):
Jude Hospital to have surgery on her cancer and they
were amazing to her, and so I've supported them, and
Susie has as well. So they give away the Pat
Somerle Award every year. But excited for my opportunity to
run for office, I just felt like this was the
time I had said no for a few years, and
to be honest and candidate, I love my job. I
(20:47):
love doing NFL games and calling games and being in
the booth and getting to do all the production meetings
and sit down with coaches and players and work for
five months and then having seven months off, but really
felt called my wife and I did that this was
the time for us to serve our country.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Jay, thank you for being on the show and appreciate
that you've decided that you are or you haven't called
perhaps a better way of putting it to put your
hat in the ring to be a member of our
illustrious well congress. Some days it's illustrious, some days we
feel like it's letting us down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But we know you'll do a great job if you
get there, and it's all looking good for you in
that respect.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
So far, how do you feel, where do you fit
in or what's your I'll put it this way, what
is your relationship to Maga Jay and the movement that
has become really the leadership the tip of the spear
for the Republican Party.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever
since he first ran for office. We got to know
each other when I was with the Jets, playing for
the Jets and he wasn't running for office at himself.
We were just doing some charity events together with his foundation,
and you know, I really was impressed with just who
he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have
(22:02):
to run for office. You know, he's wealthy and rich
and famous and doing his TV shows, and he decided
that he wanted to try to make this country better,
similar to what I feel and I think, you know,
the things that we believe in economically, free markets and
less taxes, and equomortunity and limited government, the need to
balance the budget. You know, those are all things that
(22:23):
I want to try to do and be an advocate
for in Congress. Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Jay, I'm curious in your experience Trump one point oh,
you said you were a Trump guy. It was the
case that if you were in sports media, people wanted
you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that
you were a Trump guy. Trump two point zero. Now
Politico has got a huge story about it today. The
sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you think it's just a function of people are
being more honest?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Do you think it was the Biden term was so bad?
You've been a Trump guy for a while. What's different
as it pertains to the culture, whether it's Christian, pulistic,
John Jones, the cheering at the super Bowl. What is
going on that sports fans and Trump are now in
love with each other.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think you kind of hit the nail on the
head there. I think part of it was he was
labeled a racist when he was running, you know, in
twenty sixteen. But I think when you look at his
administrations and Biden's administration and the differences and what happened
to our country. I think people got frustrated with COVID
when we lost our liberties. I think they saw the
(23:35):
hypocrisy of the Democratic Party when you had the BLM
riots and the response to destruction of people's property and
their businesses and murders. I think when you look at
the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys playing
in girls' sports, I think people have rejected that.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Let me let me cut you off there for a
sec because I think, as the locker room guy had this.
We had this conversation with the secretary last week, and
I think it's important. What percentage of NFL players, current
and past do you think believe that men should be
able to compete against women?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would say it's under five percent. I think it's
a very very low number. I think anybody who has
a sister and watched their sisters play sports, or myself
with my daughter. So the reason I got in there
to coaching, Like there was not a girl soccer team
at the high school that my daughter was going to
go to, and I said, well, that's ridiculous. We have
to have a girl soccer team. And they were like, well,
(24:34):
we need a coach, and I said, well, I'll coach
the team, you know, and to provide that opportunity. I
love what sports does to develop discipline and toughness and
camaraderie and fighting for something that's greater than yourself. Those
are all lessons that you learn in sports to carry
on the rest of your lives. And I never want
to see a girl not have an opportunity because some
(24:54):
guy decides I want to take my physical and biological
advantages and go play a sport. I know that physically
I'm better, or you know. I'll give you another example,
like we would play because I wanted our girls to
win a state championship. So we're going to practice against
our guys team that was really good. But I would
sit down beforehand with the guys coach and all the
players on the guys team and be like, listen, you
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can't go in for tackle full speed against our girls.
I don't want somebody getting hurt in this practice. I
want your speed and your power to strust them and
to push them, but I don't want them getting injured.
And that's the kind of situation they create when you
have girls competing against our guys, competing nast girls in
a physical sport.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Jay, I'm wondering.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I've never actually, I don't think i've ever gotten to
talk to an NFL kicker before, certainly not one of
your of your stature. I'm I'm sort of and I'm
a very casual observer of professional sports. I'm not at
Clay level where it is a life's passion, not by
a log shot.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
But I do wonder, and knowing what I know about this.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
And having actually beaten most of the the Amer's college
men's football team at Madden, because I was good at
video games and we would have tournaments when I was
in college, and you were a fantastic kicker. That's what
I remember. I probably want some money off so of
my friends thanks to your leg is being a kicker
in the NFL the greatest job in the NFL or
the most stressful job in the NFL. Because on the
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one hand, I think you get to make great money, right,
and this stuff is all pretty well known.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
You make great money as.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
A professional athlete, and you get to put points on
the board and the team has to love you. But
also like if you hit the upright and you don't
get it, it might be a lonely ride back on
the bus, Like how should one think about that?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker,
because if you have four out of five good punts
at a game, you're gonna have a good game. It's
okay if you didn't have one great punt as long
as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking,
you know, you can only miss three or four kicks
in a year to have a good year where they're
not going to look at replacing you in those kicks wow,
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winning kicks, Like you can't come in and miss a
couple of game winners and a team and a fan
base not think about replacing you. And that's kind of
the reality of kicking. You have to be able to
handle pressure and you have to be able to handle failure,
you know, And that was probably my greatest attribute. I
wasn't I couldn't kick it the farthest. I wasn't the best,
I wasn't the most accurate. But I could handle failure
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and it didn't defeat me, didn't break me going forward,
you know. And when I got to the point in
my career where I was like, okay, I failed as
bad as I could fail, Saturday Live did a spoof
about me called the j Feeley Story the Long Ride Home,
and it didn't break me. That allowed me to be
a lot better because I started losing some of that
fear of failure and just having fun out there. And
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then the next nine years after that skit, I didn't
miss another game winner.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What is it like as a kicker to be mocked
on Saturday Night Live? I I had no idea about
that either.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I missed three game winners with the Giants out
in Seattle late in the season, one of the end
of the game too and overtime, obviously the worst game
of my career. And you know, the next next week,
I'm getting ready to We're gonna play Philadelphia Saturday Night.
I'm trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to
lose my job. The next day and I get a
bunch of text message and they're like, dude, they're killing
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you on Saturday Live right now. And of course I
didn't look at it or watch it. I go play
the game the next day at Philadelphia, we go to
overtime again. I got a game winner again, and they
call time out to ice me, and they play a
montage of my misses on the jumbo tron in the
stadium from the game where I missed all the game winners.
And you're sitting there, and that's where mental discipline comes in,
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because you can't let your mind wander. You know, if
you miss this kids, you're probably going to lose your job,
Your kids are going to have to change schools, You're
gonna have to sell the house and move. You don't
know if you'll ever have a job in the NFL again.
But you can't let your mind think about those things.
You have to discipline it to not allow it to wander,
to either think about the positive implications or the negative implications.
And I think that's the challenge with I can't swit.
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Why you see guys that are really good one year
and then have a really bad miss and then can
never do it again.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Did you make the kick?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Of course I played for nine more years if I missed.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, but you made You made that kick? Now?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Is that still allowed to This is a great qu
I didn't know this backstory?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
This is? Is it still?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Is it allowed in the NFL to show negative highlights
still on the jumbo tron? Like, I don't remember seeing
a montage of kicker misses obvious season ticket holder. Is
that still allowed today? Or has that been this? I've
never even heard of that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So the Meryra family was not happy after that game.
I know they went to the NFL and complained about
it because you kind of you take that in your
strap late, say, think of all the things you could
put up on a dumbletron during.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
A game, Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The opposing player is you know mine?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You know you can put on I would I would
say that falls into a category of actually bad sportsmanship.
I don't even I don't think that's all in good fun.
I think it's bad sportsmanship.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
What's a city of brotherly love? So what do you expect?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Oh is Philly? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Okay, well you know they do have that courthouse under
the stadium, right, So I.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Bet I bet that made the winning kick after they
did that unbelievably joyful for you in that celebration.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked, Would you
always know like the second you made contact? You know,
obviously there's like a couple of seconds where it's where
it's airborne, right, Would you know every time you hit it,
I got it or I didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Pretty much as soon as you make contact, you know,
if that ball is starting where you want there were
you know, there's a couple of times that's win. Like
the first kick in that game I was talking about
where I missed a game winner. I hit it exactly
where I wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was
going to bring it back right, and it shifted and
it brought it left, and you missed by it, you
know a little bit. But for the most part, you
know when you hit it's like a golfer. You kind
of know the ball comes off, you know, Okay, I
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hit that one.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Well, what's the best kick you ever made?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
The most important kick I ever made was probably in
high school in the state semifinals. I had a game
winner at the end of the game and I make
that kick, you know, and we go on to the
state finals. And for me, that was when I first
started thinking about doing kicking as a career. I was
a soccer player. I kind of played everything growing up
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until that moment, you know, I never really looked at
kicking as something I wanted to do, you know. And
then that kick led to me going to college at Michigan,
and then getting into the NFL, and then broadcasting for
ten years and not running for office. I kind of
feel like that kick started the journey for me over
the next quarter of a century.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, how do people if they want to support
you in Arizona's fifth what should they know and what
should they do?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well? They should know the first of all, I'm a
fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs.
You know. Working in broadcast media for a major network
like CBS, like people didn't like that you would talk
about your support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump, and
I was never afraid to do that. I would post
pictures when he and I would get together and play golf,
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and I would get called into the principal's office all
the time for doing that. And my perspective always was, listen,
you're not going to do that if I'm posting something
that's liberal, So don't do it if I post something
that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm
going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative
principles and the America First policy. You can go to
Jfeely Forcongress dot com sign my petition if you live
(32:23):
in the district, or you can support us financially. But
more than anything, I just want to be somebody who
is willing to talk about their beliefs and do it
in a compassionate way and be able to advocate for
Republicans and conservative causes. And you know, we're going to
have a fight in twenty twenty six to keep the
House in the Senate, and I want to be part
of that fight. Jay.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
One thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady,
teammate at the University of Michigan.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Quickly on your way out, what's Brady like?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
He is the most compassionate dude, you know. I mean
I never knew he was going to be as good
as he was. You know, we were at college for
four years together and room together. In some of the
summers and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together.
And I just never knew he would be as good
as he was, but I knew he was a great leader.
I think that's the thing that stands out the most
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is his willingness to be humble and to take all
the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use
him as an example for everyone else. That's what led
to the greatness, because he had those leadership qualities to
bring everybody together and then the unsatiable desire to be
the best ever.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Awesome stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well, we hope the voters of Arizona's fifth Congressional district
are listening.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And I love that you were willing.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
To take the slings and arrows for being a Trump
guy when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Thanks for having me on. Thanks for you guys, everything
you guys do.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Love listening, Appreciate that. That's Jay Feely. Awesome dude. Encourage
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Once again, Arizona is going to be a focal point
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So many different moving stories over the weekend that we
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I was texting with him on Friday. He was listening
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to Buck as I was trying to get to the airport.
Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, in addition to everything else
going on, the biggest thing on Capitol Hill right now
is the so called Big Beautiful Bill, which is trying
to be passed at some point between now and Memorial Day.
Is understanding you were hearing the discussion about the budget.
(01:05):
You've been really outspoken and I think frankly right. Senator
Johnson with us now from Wisconsin about the fact that
we basically are embedding the Biden budget in this new one,
and the COVID spending, instead of being ratcheted back down,
is now a part of the American budget going forward.
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But I want you to lay that out because I
think it's a very cojin argument and it's one that
this audience needs to hear well.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
First of all, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
As I said my Wallstreet Journal column, too often the
reality of these budget debates get obscured in minor details,
politically charge issues, in demagogurey, and that's what's going on
right now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Listen. I'm a big support of President Trump. I could
not be happy with how boldly.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Decisively, swiftly he's acting to honor the promises made. But
the problem is, I to be honest, the big beautiful
bill is it's just mislabeled.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I would think.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The number one goal of any of this Republican budget
reconciliation would be to.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Not increase the deaths. That'd be the first goal.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, we should start bending the spending curve down,
we should start reducing the projected depth. But that's how
what's happening. So again we lose sight of the big picture,
you know, lose sight of the forest. For really arguing
over twigs and leaves, and so let me let me
just kind of lay out the reality. First of all,
you have to understand how the increase in spending from
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twenty nineteen to this year is unprecedented except under World
War Two, which by the way, we returned to a
pre war level spending by nineteen forty. It actually below
where we were from the start of the war. So
it's possible if you have responsible leadership, but again, unprecedented level.
From four point four trillion or a better way to
put that, four four hundred billion dollars over seven thousand
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billion dollars, that's a fifty eight increase in the last
six years, completely unprecedented. I always use the analogy of
a family.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No family if they had an illness.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And they had to borrow fifty thousand dollars to pay
off those medical bills. If that family, remember, got well,
they wouldn't keep borrowing that money and spending that level.
But that's exactly what we've done. So we had a
once in a lifetime opportunity to address this unprecedented level
of increases spending, and we're not doing it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
We're doing the same things. And as you said, too.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're literally codifying what we all ran and said, we're
going to repeel and replace Obamacare.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
We're not talking about Medicaid here.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Nobody wants to reduce benefits for the disabled and the
people that Medicaid was designed for. What we're addressing is
how Obamacare, the Medicaid expansion for single a working age
able bodies, tildless adults, they get paid ninety cents on
the dollar by the federal government, which is causing all
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kinds of abuse at the state level.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Basically state stealing from.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The federal government, not checking eligibility, allowing illegal I'm going.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
To get medicaid, putting it risk to Medicaid for those children.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So you know, the whole salt debate, the Green New Scan,
none of these things are being addressed, honestly. And if
you really look at it, look at the numbers, and
I look at the numbers, we will actually increase the
death that over the next ten years, going from right
now thirty seven trillion dollars in depth, CBO says will
be at fifty nine. My guests would probably increase that
by about four trillion dollars with a big new deal,
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the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That neflist is sixty two to sixty.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Three trillion dollars. Again, you have to be honest. And
by the way, I know I know Buck at the
end of the show, or I think you might ask
me this last time out, what are you.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Going to cut?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's impossible to say. You know, Medicaid absolutely have to
go after that. But what you need is a process.
And then what we've never had a process to control
spending the federal government. We don't a budget. Bell's budget requirement.
I didn't realize it's the appropriation committees were actually established
because the authorizing committees were big spenders. Well, that didn't work.
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The Budget Act didn't work, Simpson Bulls didn't work. The
Budget Control Act didn't work. So what I've been proposing
is what those are showing us, how to do.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You have to do the work. You have to go
line by line.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Contract by contract, through over a couple of thousand lines
of the federal budget, the entire budget. And I have
to believe on having gone from four four hundred billion
to seven thousand billion dollars, that you will find hundreds
of billions of dollars of spending that if you eliminate
it nobody would even notice, other than the grifters who
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are sucking at the public trought. They're sucking down that
waist for ourn abuse. So you've got to go through
that process. You have to do the work passing a big,
beautiful bill. By the end of this week, we haven't
gone through the work.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We're doing the same old thing. Exempt almost every program,
look at a few things. That's not painful enough. Nobody
even notice that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Let's have all the savings toward the tail end of
the of the budget period. Clapperhand said, we did a
good job. No, this is completely an inadequate understanding. This
is a once in a lifetime opportunity to get it right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Let's take the time. By the way, the way you
do it is split it up this way.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
John Thune the Senate, always wanted to at this point,
I think he's whatever House sends us, we need to
skin it up. Provide the border funding, the defense funding,
take a lot of the spending reductions. You know, use
what the House did at least eight hundred and fifty
that was a set of resolution. Extend the current tax law,
take an automatic tax increase off the table. Give President
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Trump a debt ceiling, relief, but not five trillion dollars.
Let's let's keep a little pressure on so we can
come back do another iteration of this now, I we'll
use the twenty twenty five budgets, but probably also the
FISCO twenty twenty six for further reconciliations. You've got to
do this in multiple steps. You can't do it in
one big step, because if we do that, we won't
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come back and we will blow in our one lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us as always.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
And and uh, I guess just there's a frustration that
I think I have, and I'm sure I'm not alone here,
which is that you are telling us all of this,
and everything that you are saying makes sense and certainly
is along with what we have been told needs to
happen numerically mathematically like this is. And that's I think
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at the heart of DOGE and at the heart of
a big part of what was promised with this new
administration would be we're gonna We're gonna tackle this and
do what is necessary based on the numbers so that
we don't head off of a of a fiscal cliff.
And yet you know the White House. I was watching
this morning the press conference. White House seems to love
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the bill, thinks it's a huge step forward and it's fantastic. So,
I mean, I have to ask, where's the where's the
disconnect here? And how is it? How is it possible?
You're telling us the work's not being done, the cuts
aren't being made, and there's far too much of a
debt increase here. Meanwhile, the White House and certainly a
lot of other Republicans are saying, this is amazing, this
is moving us forward, Like, where is the uh, just
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where is that disconnect? Explain to me how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, it's the Dinnes stream rhetoric and reality.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
So the reality is that the House says, oh, we're
going to cut one point five tillion. Sounds like a lot,
but that's one hundred and fifty billion. That take us
from over seven trillion to just under seven trillion dollars. Okay,
don't I know that the people that voted for Trump
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Defeat the deep state.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You don't defeat the deep state by funding it at
Biden's levels. So again, the numbers just don't add up.
According to CBO will add twenty two trillion dollars to
the dead.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Over the next ten years.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
That's two point two trillion dollars per year of deaths
of spending. And we're going to add to that with
a big, new, beautiful bill. So again, that is the reality.
The other stuff is all rhetoric. Washington runs on rhetoric.
That's why we're thirty seven trillion debt. And this is
the way it's always done. You know, package everything into
some really big bill so that you force people who
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don't want to automatic tax increase, who don't want to
see it a fault on the debt, to vote for
something that is completely inadequate. And that's how you force
it through. So you break it up. You do it
in the things that we at first agree on the
border defense, Take as many spending reductions as the House
has already identified. Thank that, you know, extend the current
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tax law, give give Presdent Trump a smaller increase in
death ceiling. Then you can come back. There's plent there's
plenty of reasons to come back. You know President Trump's
tax priorities. We're gonna have to come back because the
death ceiling hasn't been raised for four years. By the way,
just just extend the death ceiling into the beginning of
next year will probably require something like two and a
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half to three trillion dollars. That out a shock everybody.
We have to stop seen by the graveyard here.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson and Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're a business guy, and unfortunately there are not that
many business guys and in in Congress in general, certainly
almost none on the on the Democrat side. What do
you expect to see? We're at thirty seven thirty eight
trillion dollar national debt right now. If as these numbers
(10:24):
continue to go, we're talking about seventy five one hundred
trillion dollars in the next generation. I don't think those
are crazy numbers. The debt becomes a higher and higher part,
Paying interest on the debt becomes a higher and higher part,
to say nothing of Social Security, medicare all of those things.
At what point does this era of you can always
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keep borrowing? Do we run into a wall? Are we
already there? And is that one of the lessons the
bond market is giving us. This is getting in the
weeds a little bit, but you know that where it
really hits people is you can't get a low rate
on your mortgage, your insurance rates, your interest rates on cars,
and on your credit cards. I mean, it's just not
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coming back down like maybe we thought it would.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
The fact that a dollar you held in twenty nineteen
is only worth eighty cents, that's really an indication of
you know, not quite as noticeable of a debt crisis.
But I mean, the real danger is when the US
dalla is no longer the world's reserve currency, and you know,
the brick countries are trying to replace the dollar as
the reserve currency. More and more global trade is being
(11:35):
done in those currencies. And why is that important Is
if we're not the world's reserve currency, if.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
We just can't keep pretty money, we're.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Also in sudden going to be subject to global debt markets.
And again it's not a good sign that Moody's now
is are the third grading credit agency that's downgraded our
credit rating. That's not a good sign. That ought to
weight people up. But when that happens, all of a sudden,
credits are out of the world. Go yeah, I'll want
you some more money, but not at that interest rate.
We've already got interest now exceeding eight trillion dollars a year,
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but more than we spent out defense over the next
ten years, about fourteen trillion dollars just interest on the debt.
Of the eighty nine trillion dollars I'm going to spend,
fourteen trillion is just on interest. It buys nothing. It's
just paying off irresponsible government basically.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
You know, I know you you Senate types don't like
to name names among your colleagues, especially on your own side.
But Senator Johnson, I just as you're telling us that
you're laying this out, are the Senate Republicans who don't care,
it seems, about what you're laying out, unaware of it
or do they just like to make sure all the
piggies stay at the trough and it's not their problem.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
So three years ago, when we were debating onto the
spending bill, I asked my Senate college, Hey, anybody know
how much we spent in total last year? Nobody answered.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I went out to the Washington Press Corps ask these
same questions. So much what It's over trillion dollars and
that's just discretionary spend. That's only twenty five cent of
our budget. Nobody knew because we never talk about it.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, we're the largest financial entity in the world. We
wor supposedly the five hundred and thirty five members of
the Board of Directors, and nobody knew in total how
much we spend. Again, we never discussed it. We only
appropriate the twenty five cent of the budget. Everything else
is on automatic pilot. And by the way, that's one
of the devioust things that the Unit Party has done.
They've shifted what should be discretionary spending into other mandatory.
(13:34):
When I talked about in this is something else I
had to reveal. I'm providing all this information my colleagues. Now,
we went from six hundred and forty two billion dollars
of other mandatory, not social security, not medicare, not even medicaid,
from about six forty two in twenty nineteen up to
about one point three trillion dollars two years ago. It's
still over trillion dollars now, just in that alone, you
(13:56):
take a look at how much we increased spending above
and beyond twenty nineteen plus up for inflation and population growth,
that be a reasonable control, right, there's literally hundreds of
billions of dollars that we've increased spending beyond that control.
So that's why I have to go line by line.
That's how you do it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
In business. You have a budget review panel.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's where I propose senors, House members, members of MB
bring up these department heads with their budget gurus. Go
line by line, justify this. Why is this spending line
so much more above twenty nineteen level inflation and population growth?
Yet you have to do the work dose you're shown
us and by the way the point being made that
(14:37):
has to be made.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's great. I mean, I love what dough is done.
It's identified, it exposed it. It's also exposed how clueless
and oblivious.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Cous is to the ways for an abuse. But how
do we bank those? How do we codify it? We
haven't gotten the recision package of this administration. They've talked
about a nine billion one. Apparently that's already been tanked.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
We haven't got it. I mean, you have to.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
At some point in time codify what DOGE is identifying.
Their website got turned into law. You got to end
the spending, and we're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Sener Ron Johnson, we appreciate you. You always have an
open forum here with our audience. They love you, We
appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for filling us.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
In, Thanks for the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Take care for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I love Senator Ron Johnson because that whole discussion Buck.
I even started smile laugh a little bit to myself.
I'm just picturing Ron Johnson being like, this is what
it would be like if you were his kid and
you came home and the credit card bill was not
in any way defensible. Right, kid goes off to college
(15:44):
and dad looks at the credit card bill, just go
in line by line, just utterly disgusted. You spent this
on an uber what you couldn't have gotten pizza cheaper
than this?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Like it is.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It is just the ultimate America Dad budget analysis. And
you know what, he's right about virtually everything he's saying,
as your dad was often right when he was going
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You're gonna be introducing this fellow next. I remember him
very high rating when I used to play the Madden
PlayStation game as a kicker, so I was I was
(17:49):
appreciative of how much he helped my team.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
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to the state of Arizona. It's gonna be a major
battleground as it always has been the past several cycles,
but certainly in twenty twenty six opportunity to replace the governor.
(19:14):
There big battle going on over who the representative will
be and wanting to go to DC. Friend of the show,
Jay Feely, Arizona's fifth congressional district. Jay Feely, many of
you know, played in the NFL fourteen years, has been
also ten years as an NFL analyst with CBS. And
(19:37):
what's this status prequel? Stat Pat summer All is the
only kicker to be in the broadcast booth more than
you doing NFL games.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, everybody knows Pat Summerol as the legendary co
host of John Madden back in the day. But also
a lot of people don't realize this Pat Summerol, father
of Susie Wiles who is now the chief of Staff
and Trump administration two point zero tying it all together
there for you, Jay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Just an honor to be even mentioned with Pat Summroll
because he is such a legend, and you know, very
cool to see what Susie is doing with President Trump
and how respected she is. You know, We've gotten to
know each other a couple of times with Saint Jude
because I've done a lot with Saint Jude. I had
a niece of mine who has gone twice to Saint
(20:27):
Jude Hospital to have surgery on her cancer and they
were amazing to her, and so I've supported them, and
Susie has as well. So they give away the Pat
Somerle Award every year. But excited for my opportunity to
run for office, I just felt like this was the
time I had said no for a few years, and
to be honest and candidate, I love my job. I
(20:47):
love doing NFL games and calling games and being in
the booth and getting to do all the production meetings
and sit down with coaches and players and work for
five months and then having seven months off, but really
felt called my wife and I did that this was
the time for us to serve our country.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Jay, thank you for being on the show and appreciate
that you've decided that you are or you haven't called
perhaps a better way of putting it to put your
hat in the ring to be a member of our
illustrious well congress. Some days it's illustrious, some days we
feel like it's letting us down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
But we know you'll do a great job if you
get there, and it's all looking good for you in
that respect.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
So far, how do you feel, where do you fit
in or what's your I'll put it this way, what
is your relationship to Maga Jay and the movement that
has become really the leadership the tip of the spear
for the Republican Party.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever
since he first ran for office. We got to know
each other when I was with the Jets, playing for
the Jets and he wasn't running for office at himself.
We were just doing some charity events together with his foundation,
and you know, I really was impressed with just who
he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have
(22:02):
to run for office. You know, he's wealthy and rich
and famous and doing his TV shows, and he decided
that he wanted to try to make this country better,
similar to what I feel and I think, you know,
the things that we believe in economically, free markets and
less taxes, and equomortunity and limited government, the need to
balance the budget. You know, those are all things that
(22:23):
I want to try to do and be an advocate
for in Congress. Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Jay, I'm curious in your experience Trump one point oh,
you said you were a Trump guy. It was the
case that if you were in sports media, people wanted
you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that
you were a Trump guy. Trump two point zero. Now
Politico has got a huge story about it today. The
sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you think it's just a function of people are
being more honest?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Do you think it was the Biden term was so bad?
You've been a Trump guy for a while. What's different
as it pertains to the culture, whether it's Christian, pulistic,
John Jones, the cheering at the super Bowl. What is
going on that sports fans and Trump are now in
love with each other.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think you kind of hit the nail on the
head there. I think part of it was he was
labeled a racist when he was running, you know, in
twenty sixteen. But I think when you look at his
administrations and Biden's administration and the differences and what happened
to our country. I think people got frustrated with COVID
when we lost our liberties. I think they saw the
(23:35):
hypocrisy of the Democratic Party when you had the BLM
riots and the response to destruction of people's property and
their businesses and murders. I think when you look at
the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys playing
in girls' sports, I think people have rejected that.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Let me let me cut you off there for a
sec because I think, as the locker room guy had this.
We had this conversation with the secretary last week, and
I think it's important. What percentage of NFL players, current
and past do you think believe that men should be
able to compete against women?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I would say it's under five percent. I think it's
a very very low number. I think anybody who has
a sister and watched their sisters play sports, or myself
with my daughter. So the reason I got in there
to coaching, Like there was not a girl soccer team
at the high school that my daughter was going to
go to, and I said, well, that's ridiculous. We have
to have a girl soccer team. And they were like, well,
(24:34):
we need a coach, and I said, well, I'll coach
the team, you know, and to provide that opportunity. I
love what sports does to develop discipline and toughness and
camaraderie and fighting for something that's greater than yourself. Those
are all lessons that you learn in sports to carry
on the rest of your lives. And I never want
to see a girl not have an opportunity because some
(24:54):
guy decides I want to take my physical and biological
advantages and go play a sport. I know that physically
I'm better, or you know. I'll give you another example,
like we would play because I wanted our girls to
win a state championship. So we're going to practice against
our guys team that was really good. But I would
sit down beforehand with the guys coach and all the
players on the guys team and be like, listen, you
(25:15):
can't go in for tackle full speed against our girls.
I don't want somebody getting hurt in this practice. I
want your speed and your power to strust them and
to push them, but I don't want them getting injured.
And that's the kind of situation they create when you
have girls competing against our guys, competing nast girls in
a physical sport.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Jay, I'm wondering.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I've never actually, I don't think i've ever gotten to
talk to an NFL kicker before, certainly not one of
your of your stature. I'm I'm sort of and I'm
a very casual observer of professional sports. I'm not at
Clay level where it is a life's passion, not by
a log shot.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
But I do wonder, and knowing what I know about this.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
And having actually beaten most of the the Amer's college
men's football team at Madden, because I was good at
video games and we would have tournaments when I was
in college, and you were a fantastic kicker. That's what
I remember. I probably want some money off so of
my friends thanks to your leg is being a kicker
in the NFL the greatest job in the NFL or
the most stressful job in the NFL. Because on the
(26:19):
one hand, I think you get to make great money, right,
and this stuff is all pretty well known.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
You make great money as.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
A professional athlete, and you get to put points on
the board and the team has to love you. But
also like if you hit the upright and you don't
get it, it might be a lonely ride back on
the bus, Like how should one think about that?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker,
because if you have four out of five good punts
at a game, you're gonna have a good game. It's
okay if you didn't have one great punt as long
as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking,
you know, you can only miss three or four kicks
in a year to have a good year where they're
not going to look at replacing you in those kicks wow,
(27:00):
winning kicks, Like you can't come in and miss a
couple of game winners and a team and a fan
base not think about replacing you. And that's kind of
the reality of kicking. You have to be able to
handle pressure and you have to be able to handle failure,
you know, And that was probably my greatest attribute. I
wasn't I couldn't kick it the farthest. I wasn't the best,
I wasn't the most accurate. But I could handle failure
(27:21):
and it didn't defeat me, didn't break me going forward,
you know. And when I got to the point in
my career where I was like, okay, I failed as
bad as I could fail, Saturday Live did a spoof
about me called the j Feeley Story the Long Ride Home,
and it didn't break me. That allowed me to be
a lot better because I started losing some of that
fear of failure and just having fun out there. And
(27:41):
then the next nine years after that skit, I didn't
miss another game winner.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What is it like as a kicker to be mocked
on Saturday Night Live? I I had no idea about
that either.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I missed three game winners with the Giants out
in Seattle late in the season, one of the end
of the game too and overtime, obviously the worst game
of my career. And you know, the next next week,
I'm getting ready to We're gonna play Philadelphia Saturday Night.
I'm trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to
lose my job. The next day and I get a
bunch of text message and they're like, dude, they're killing
(28:16):
you on Saturday Live right now. And of course I
didn't look at it or watch it. I go play
the game the next day at Philadelphia, we go to
overtime again. I got a game winner again, and they
call time out to ice me, and they play a
montage of my misses on the jumbo tron in the
stadium from the game where I missed all the game winners.
And you're sitting there, and that's where mental discipline comes in,
(28:38):
because you can't let your mind wander. You know, if
you miss this kids, you're probably going to lose your job,
Your kids are going to have to change schools, You're
gonna have to sell the house and move. You don't
know if you'll ever have a job in the NFL again.
But you can't let your mind think about those things.
You have to discipline it to not allow it to wander,
to either think about the positive implications or the negative implications.
And I think that's the challenge with I can't swit.
(29:00):
Why you see guys that are really good one year
and then have a really bad miss and then can
never do it again.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Did you make the kick?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Of course I played for nine more years if I missed.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, but you made You made that kick? Now?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Is that still allowed to This is a great qu
I didn't know this backstory?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
This is? Is it still?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Is it allowed in the NFL to show negative highlights
still on the jumbo tron? Like, I don't remember seeing
a montage of kicker misses obvious season ticket holder. Is
that still allowed today? Or has that been this? I've
never even heard of that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So the Meryra family was not happy after that game.
I know they went to the NFL and complained about
it because you kind of you take that in your
strap late, say, think of all the things you could
put up on a dumbletron during.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
A game, Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The opposing player is you know mine?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You know you can put on I would I would
say that falls into a category of actually bad sportsmanship.
I don't even I don't think that's all in good fun.
I think it's bad sportsmanship.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
What's a city of brotherly love? So what do you expect?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Oh is Philly? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Okay, well you know they do have that courthouse under
the stadium, right, So I.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Bet I bet that made the winning kick after they
did that unbelievably joyful for you in that celebration.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked, Would you
always know like the second you made contact? You know,
obviously there's like a couple of seconds where it's where
it's airborne, right, Would you know every time you hit it,
I got it or I didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Pretty much as soon as you make contact, you know,
if that ball is starting where you want there were
you know, there's a couple of times that's win. Like
the first kick in that game I was talking about
where I missed a game winner. I hit it exactly
where I wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was
going to bring it back right, and it shifted and
it brought it left, and you missed by it, you
know a little bit. But for the most part, you
know when you hit it's like a golfer. You kind
of know the ball comes off, you know, Okay, I
(30:46):
hit that one.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Well, what's the best kick you ever made?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
The most important kick I ever made was probably in
high school in the state semifinals. I had a game
winner at the end of the game and I make
that kick, you know, and we go on to the
state finals. And for me, that was when I first
started thinking about doing kicking as a career. I was
a soccer player. I kind of played everything growing up
(31:13):
until that moment, you know, I never really looked at
kicking as something I wanted to do, you know. And
then that kick led to me going to college at Michigan,
and then getting into the NFL, and then broadcasting for
ten years and not running for office. I kind of
feel like that kick started the journey for me over
the next quarter of a century.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, how do people if they want to support
you in Arizona's fifth what should they know and what
should they do?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well? They should know the first of all, I'm a
fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs.
You know. Working in broadcast media for a major network
like CBS, like people didn't like that you would talk
about your support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump, and
I was never afraid to do that. I would post
pictures when he and I would get together and play golf,
(32:01):
and I would get called into the principal's office all
the time for doing that. And my perspective always was, listen,
you're not going to do that if I'm posting something
that's liberal, So don't do it if I post something
that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm
going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative
principles and the America First policy. You can go to
Jfeely Forcongress dot com sign my petition if you live
(32:23):
in the district, or you can support us financially. But
more than anything, I just want to be somebody who
is willing to talk about their beliefs and do it
in a compassionate way and be able to advocate for
Republicans and conservative causes. And you know, we're going to
have a fight in twenty twenty six to keep the
House in the Senate, and I want to be part
of that fight. Jay.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
One thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady,
teammate at the University of Michigan.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Quickly on your way out, what's Brady like?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
He is the most compassionate dude, you know. I mean
I never knew he was going to be as good
as he was. You know, we were at college for
four years together and room together. In some of the
summers and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together.
And I just never knew he would be as good
as he was, but I knew he was a great leader.
I think that's the thing that stands out the most
(33:11):
is his willingness to be humble and to take all
the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use
him as an example for everyone else. That's what led
to the greatness, because he had those leadership qualities to
bring everybody together and then the unsatiable desire to be
the best ever.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Awesome stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well, we hope the voters of Arizona's fifth Congressional district
are listening.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And I love that you were willing.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
To take the slings and arrows for being a Trump
guy when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Thanks for having me on. Thanks for you guys, everything
you guys do.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Love listening, Appreciate that. That's Jay Feely. Awesome dude. Encourage
you guys if you're in Arizona again. Twenty twenty six.
Once again, Arizona is going to be a focal point
one of the big battlegrounds. Trump won by a lot
that they're going to have the governor's race. The congressional
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Yes, sure, I was calling because the one thing that
nobody's brought up.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Is White House Doctor. Okay, he passed four physicals. The
doctors supposed to certify this guy to be the president,
the commander in chief. He had to have known he
had cognitive decline and yet certified him to be commander
in chief. He needs to be called on the carpet.
He lied about Biden's physicals.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, we talked about this, and we'll talk with doctor
Sapphire legitimately in the next segment, not only about cognitive
decline but also cancer. And what I'm seeing is even
more people instead of there being oh, sympathy for Biden,
most people are saying there's no way. They just found
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.