Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the intersection of sports, culture, and politics, delivering a compelling mix of commentary and breaking news. This hour kicks off with a heated discussion surrounding the viral WNBA incident involving Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, which sparked a broader cultural debate. The hosts analyze the fallout from ESPN personalities Robert Griffin III and Ryan Clark, highlighting the racial and personal tensions that erupted over a simple foul in a women’s basketball game. The segment underscores how Clark’s rising stardom is reshaping the WNBA and exposing underlying resentments within the league. The conversation transitions into a broader cultural critique, with Clay and Buck exploring how race, media narratives, and sports intersect in today’s polarized environment. They draw parallels to historical moments in tennis and golf, emphasizing how stars like Serena Williams and Tiger Woods were embraced across racial lines—contrasting that with the current backlash against Clark. In the political arena, the hosts welcome White House Deputy Chief of Staff James Blair, who provides exclusive insights into the forthcoming “Big Beautiful Bill.” Blair outlines the bill’s key components, including historic middle-class tax cuts, increased border security funding, military modernization, and aggressive fiscal reforms aimed at reducing the national deficit. He also teases the potential announcement of the “Golden Dome” missile defense initiative, likened to Israel’s Iron Dome, as part of President Trump’s broader national security strategy. The hour wraps with a fiery exchange on Capitol Hill featuring Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who forcefully defends the administration’s refugee policies against Democratic criticism. Rubio’s assertive stance and communication skills are praised as emblematic of the Trump administration’s media-savvy cabinet.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number three Clay Travis
Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
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of you about a crazy, unbelievable story that I think
Buck knows a little bit about. By the way, two
thirty at the bottom of this hour, we'll give you
the absolute latest on the big beautiful Bill. James Blair
from the White House is going to join us. Also
reports that Trump is going to make an announcement around
three Eastern related to the Golden Dome Protective Missile Defense
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shield that he and Pete Hegseth are working alongside of.
We've got the original Sin book coming out, although it feels,
I don't know about you, Buck, a bit muted, like
they fired all of their proverbial bullets in the days
leading up to that book and there is not a
ton left there. But we will see. I haven't seen
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any new blockbuster revelations surrounding that book today, and we
have the charges fired filed again. Congresswoman Lamonica McIvor from
the tenth Congressional District of New Jersey. A lot of
you weighing in on that, James Comy on MSNBC. We
have hit a lot of different things. This is a
crazy story, and sometimes I hit Buck with crazy stories
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that he is not familiar with, and this is a
truly crazy story. So a lot of you out there
are big fans of Kaitlyn Clark, former Iowa women's basketball player.
She has made women's basketball matter more in college basketball
and the WNBA than at any point in my life.
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The audience is massive for her. Lots of people are
big fans of Kaitlyn Clark. They played a game over
the weekend and she committed a foul of Angel Reese.
These two went head to head back when LSU played Iowa.
They have got a rivalry. A lot of people watch
this game over the weekend, especially considering it's a women's
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basketball game. WNBA game. Two point seven million viewers most
watched w NBA game on ESPN. I think, ever, so
a lot of people care about this foul was called
at on a would be layup attempt. Kaitlin Clark fouls
Angel Reese, and the sports media has completely lost its
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mind ever since that moment. So Angel Reese reacts crazily
runs after Caitlin Clark. Robert Griffin the third who is
a who is a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, drafted in
the first round in the NFL. He was attacked by
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an ESPN employee. And I think this is important story.
Somebody say the sports story. No, I think it's a
culture story as much or more than it's a sports story.
Robert Griffin the third buck said, the reason that Angel
Reese reacted that way is because she hates Caitlin Clark.
Caitlin Clark is a better player, makes more money, more popular,
all those things, and he said this was based on hate.
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Ryan Clark, who is employed at ESPN, fired back and said,
the reason Robert Griffin IID had that opinion is because
he has a white wife. Yeah, this is real. So
Robert Griffin, third black guy married to a white woman.
Ryan Clark said, the reason that he said Angel Rehees
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reacted emotionally and was fueled by hate is because he's
married to a white woman. Well, this did not go
over well with Robert Griffin, IIRD, who posted what I
thought was an epic takedown yesterday. This has turned into
a big story. I think it's a cultural story, not
only a sports story. The team pulled the audio. Listen
to this.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Ryan Clark personally attacking me and my family because he
disagreed with my sports opinion is a bad look for ESPN.
It's cowardly, it's spine us, and it's weak. Ryan Clark
personally attacking me and my family personally because he disagreed
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with my sports opinion is a bad look for him
as a man. I hope you get to help.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You need brother, all right now, Buck, I just want
to toss this to you, because this is blown up.
It's everywhere. If if any white guy said the reason
a black guy has an opinion is because his wife
is black, that white guy or that white woman would
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get fired and they would never work in sports. Again,
it's rare that I see a story and I'm like, oh,
I can't believe this is real. I legitimately can't believe
that one guy attacked another guy and said the reason
he has the opinion is because of the race of
his wife. But when you see a story like this,
and again I would encourage you. I've shared the videos.
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You can go watch this. Rg THII basically argues this
should have nothing to do with race, right, Like, again,
it's a women's basketball foul and it's just set off
nuclear war and it's not even really sports so much
as it is culture. Now, well, a big part of
this whole conversation, And you're right, you know, Clay brings
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a story to my attention when it's in the sports world,
and he realizes that I'm gonna say, oh no, that
is a I agree with you. It's a broader cultural,
broader social commentary thread that runs through this, which is
why it's getting so much attention. First, this is something
of an aside. Would Clay and I agree on this one.
You know, when you work in media, you get used
to people saying things about you that are untrue, and
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people attacking you and all of that. I think for
any red blooded American male who works in media, who
has any backbone at all, you randomly bring somebody's like
you randomly bring someone's wife into it. It would never
occur to me in a million years, and I would
be ashamed. I mean, it would just never happen, right,
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to bring somebody's wife into something that you know, it's
Hillary Clinton was trying to be president, right, like it's
Bill Clinton's wife. What we understand when you bring someone's
family that has nothing to do with it into it
just to take a swipe at them, you've crossed a line.
Even in media, you've crossed a line. And I think
that mister r G three handled it very well. I
(07:22):
thought his statement was excellent. But really, the the Caitlin
Clark issue is fascinating because it shows the depth of
what a lot of people have as racial resentment toward her. Yes,
and a lot of a lot of w NBA players do,
perhaps some portion of some some of the fan base.
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I don't think that's really the case overall, because she's
so popular in the fan base is so happy to
have a marquee star like her. But I mean, I
also have to say, I just think the w n
B A and this is not groundbreaking. It's just not
a very good product to watch on television, and women's
basketball for me is just not fun to watch. Clay
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I went to a and I will say whereas, by
the way, I sometimes prefer watching women's tennis, not for
that reason any of you out there, but because as
an amateur tennis player, I love the game. The women's
game moves at a pace and has tactics that are
far more translated. I am powerful and more of the rallies,
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and I'm never gonna hit one hundred and thirty mile
an hour serve and one hundred and you know, twenty
mile an hour second serve. It's just never gonna happen.
And that's a huge part of the men's game. The
women's game is much more about the groundstroke, tactics, right,
and so so anyway, and you know, so women's tennis,
for example, I think is a great product. It's not
about men and women. But some women's basketball I think
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is not a very good product. But the fact that
their resentment of Caitlin Clark is so strong that even
though she brings money and attention. You tell me about
the ratings. I mean, I don't pay attention to this stuff,
but astonishingly high ratings for a league that has always struggled,
you know, And and all of a sudden, there's all
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this there's all these people who are saying that that's
not good or they don't like that. So the resentment
point is obvious. And the fact that RG three would
make that point that there is something Bill So I've
played enough basketball to know it was a standard basketball foul,
the wide open layup. Caitlin Clark fouled her, Angel Reese
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reacted crazily like she wanted to fight her. What is
the reaction based on, Hey, you know she did we
start to have yeah, but we need to start to
have conversations. It's not okay to resent anybody based upon
their race, or have resentment against any race, no matter
what what race you are. And you know, this also
comes up in the context Clay of the South African
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africaner migrants. All of a sudden, there's a problem. There's
fifty of them, and all of a sudden, there's a
problem with bringing not a to bring white migrants into America.
That that's the actual feeling that a lot of the
country has a lot of democrats and leftists in particular
have and that's not okay. And I don't think a
white girl should be you know, again, I'm taking the
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sort of quoting the perspective here. It's not how I feel,
but someone's saying, I don't think a white girl should
be the premier player in the w NBA because why
because she's white. That's also not okay. That's also not okay.
You know, I've started watching basketball again, NBA basketball, and
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you know, I think it's remarkable, like no one even
cares really about it. But I think there's a strong
case to be made the best player in the NBA
right now is white. Maybe that's two or three. I mean,
you can argue that Jokic and donchik Luka are the
two best players in the NBA right now, not a
crazy tag, and I think every I think all the
other players are like those guys have a lot of game,
(10:59):
and like I respect them, and it's it's just it's
just about who's the best. Yeah, and if they're the best,
a fine one should be other guys want to beat them.
And there are plenty of minority representation in the NBA, obviously,
so it's not like that's an issue. But in the
w NBA, this resentment has been allowed to has been
allowed to kind of grow for too long, I think,
and this is a this is something that should be
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spoken about openly because it's not it's just not right.
It's just not it's not ethical. Let me also mention
two things. One think about how if tennis had welcomed
Venus and Serena like this, right, Tennis, let's be honest,
usually a white sport. If golf had welcomed Tiger like this,
it would have been seen as unacceptable. They are a
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different race, but they are playing at a dominant level.
And tennis and golf both benefited immensely from Venus and Serena.
I would say those leagues actually open arms, biggest endorsements imaginable. Please, please,
let's sort of expand the uh, you know, the the audience,
the audience, and everybody benefited, right Like Tiger Woods made
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everybody in golf Richard because more people cared. Well, Caitlin
Clark's doing that in WNBA. They aren't responding well. Bobby Barack,
who does really good work at OutKick, one of our writers,
has a story coming to OutKick. A bunch of ESPN
guys are upset about what Ryan Clark did. Listen to
these quotes. Imagine how RG three's Little Black Girls feel.
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He has four daughters seeing a prominent figure claim their
father lacks empathy for black women. Another former former player
turned ESPN analyst said, Ryan Clark's a former player. There
are two rules in the locker room. You don't talk
about a man's girl or their money. That crap wouldn't
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fly face to face. So this is turning into a
big story, and it's all coming out of a w
NBA foul, which again speaks to the amount of attention
that's on Caitlin Clark. I think it's overall good for
the league, but to your point, Buck, it's also exposing
the ugly underside under belly of the WNBA, which is
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a league that would rather many of these women, it appears,
fail being led by minorities than have success with a
white girl near the top, which is is very, very troubling,
and people should be able to speak about this because
you know, it's also unfair. I bet there are plenty
of w NBA players who love the idea of their
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being more, including a lot of you know, black WNBA
players who are just like more eyeballs, please, more money, please,
like let's grow our league. But some of the stars
who weren't very big stars before because of what the
league was, but some of them have resentment. And the
resentment isn't about oh, she's not better than me or
I think you know, it's about she's a white girl
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this coming up here in a little bit. We've also
got a James Blair White House Deputy Chief of Staff
going to join us here in a few minutes. We
can ask him about both the believed announcement or reported
announcement coming about the Golden Dome, which is like an
iron dome except golden figure, and we'll talk him about that,
(17:38):
and then also the Big Beautiful Bill. Do we know
is that real question? Is that going to be the name?
You know, there's always an actual bill name, right, like
there was the Affordable Care Act for Obamacare. If the
Inflation Reduction Act can actually increase inflation, then I think
the Big Beautiful Bill is a fair name. What could
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be more Trump than the signature legislation of his first
year of a second term is the big beautiful bill.
It's amazing, some people are saying, so, yeah, I think
that that could be a lot of fun. We'll dive
into some of the details on that and see, you know,
what's what, what's going on with it? Yeah. Sometimes I
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are you about to take us? I thought we were
going to play. I thought we were gonna play the
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to play it too.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
We do we do?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well? No, it's no, not ready. See, it's a timing.
So we're going to talk with the White House when
we come back, and we will find out what we
think the timing is on this bill. Initially, the hope
was that they would get it done by Memorial Day.
Now there seems to be a suggestion that it might
be bumped back a bit more. We'll get the absolute
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are joined now by James Blair, White House Deputy Chief
of Staff, aka the Oracle, joining us now. All right,
So that's a pretty cool nickname, and I imagine that
doesn't stink to be the White House Chief of Staff
deputy that is the known as the Oracle. So let
me ask you for your predictions, Oracle, on how the
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Big Beautiful Bill is going to go and what should
this audience know about it from your perspective.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Appreciate that going to be with you, guys.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I think that the Big Beautiful Bill will get out
of the House this week. I think that obviously, if
it gets out of the House this week, then it
will go over to the Senate. They'll work on it
for a few weeks, and the goal is to get
it on the President's text by July fourth, which I
think will happen. Look, we've got to get this done.
This bill has so much to love, guys. First of all,
(21:25):
let's talk about the border first and foremost, which nobody's
talking about anymore because the President has driven illegal border
crossings to zero since he came into office. But this
bill funds border enforcement, adds ten thousand new ice officers,
gives them pay raises, gives us everything we need logistically
to not only keep the border secure for the president's
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entire term in office so we don't have to come
back and do this again, but also to deport people
and get millions of illegal immigrants out of this country,
which is something that a majority of the American people support. Secondarily,
it gives us the one thing we need for our military.
You know that the President is involved in complex negotiations
across the globe to bring peace that's backed up through strength.
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And it gives us the funding to modernize our military
and make sure it's the most lethal fighting force in
the world for the foreseeable future. But then the big
thing that it does that everyone's talking about is.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
The tax cuts.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
This renews the President's historic tax cut from twenty seventeen
that was the biggest in history, and then adds more
taxes on top everything he campaigned on. No tax on tips,
no tax on social security, no tax on overtime pay.
It will be the single largest tax cut for middle
and working class Americans in the history of the country,
and it will do that while still generating more than
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a trillion dollars right now one point seven trillion dollars
in savings for the American taxpayer, which is twice as
much savings that has ever been delivered by Congress in
the last thirty years, and that was almost thirty years
ago under Bill Clinton. So we're getting the country's fiscal
house in order. We're giving people money back in their
pocket that they are We're deregulating, we're unleashing energy, we're
(23:03):
securing the border, were rebuilding the military. We're doing what
President Trump campaigned on plane and simple. So there's still
some little issues being worked out with a few guys at.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
The edges, but in the big picture, I think we're
right on track and I think we'll get everybody there.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot
to be excited about that is in this bill. For
those who are concerned about the debt, who want the
spirit and action of Doze to be enshrined in some
way in this bill, what do you say to them
and what can we point to that deals with getting
(23:39):
that fiscal house in order, not just for this year
but in the longer term.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, great question.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Well, first of all, it's important to note that this
is by far the biggest savings, which I mentioned a
minute ago, but let's put some points on. I'm back
in the back when Bill Clinton was president, Congress passed
a package that saved like eight hundred billion dollars and
spending cuts. Okay, this one's looking like one point six
one point seven currently will still be you know, iterated
(24:07):
on a little bit as it goes.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Through the Senate and everything, but more than double. Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Congress literally has not done anything like that in over
thirty years. So right there, those are the biggest savings
that we've ever seen. We're doing something called recisions, which
is the stuff that dojes found this bad stuff. We
go out of Congress votes on it, and what's called
a recisions package that's actually separate from this bill, but
then it permanently pulls out that stuff out of the budget. Okay,
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there's savings, and then in that and then you know
what's not counted in this bill, and it's just a
stupid quirk of how legislative scoring works. Is tariff revenue.
The President is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars
of tariff revenue right now, and that money's not being
spent Okay, that money's not being spent in the big
beautiful bill or anything else. That's just money and the
(24:52):
treasury that goes straight to deficit reduction. So sometimes, you know,
when they call it the congressional budget off, which kind
of puts out the church, they're not being honest because
they don't add in the tariff for revenue and some
of the recisions and the different things that are happening,
so you're not really seeing the full picture. But the
fact is this is a huge step in the right
direction for getting the country on a better fiscal footing,
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and we're unlocking growth. You know, there's three things we
have to do really to get to a balanced budget,
which the President hopes to achieve at some point before
he leaves office. But you know, at least in the
foreseeable future, we've got to grow. Okay, We've got to
unleash our economy. We do that through tax cuts. We
do that through deregulation, we do that through getting government
out of the way. We're doing that, right, that's partly
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the President, partly Congress partly doge all of those things combined. Second,
we got to do spending reductions. I already told you
the historic nature of those spending reductions that we're doing.
And then the third thing is we've just got to
deregulate and we've got to bring more jobs in. And ultimately,
you know, in twenty seventeen, we actually collected more money
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in taxes, which improved the fiscal picture as a result
of the tax cuts then we would have if we
didn't have the tax cuts. That's because more jobs were created,
more people were paying taxes. So we've got to add revenue.
The tariffs are doing that. We've got to cut taxes.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
We've got to cut.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Regulation, unlock the economy through growth.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're doing that, and then we've got to do spending reductions.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
It's going to take all three of those things concerted
effort over a period of time. But if we just
stick through it here and we are able to do
it for four years instead of two, which means we
have to win the House majority back in the midterms,
then we'll be able to really be on a great.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Sustainable fiscal path.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
So I think we're on the path, but you know,
it's not all going to be done in one bill.
We're going to have to do a couple and this
is a monumental first step, way bigger than anyone expected
months ago. So we're really proud of that, and we
just got to get it done.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy chief of Staff.
You mentioned the border. I also think this is important,
and the tax cuts expire. So for people out there
who don't realize this, what happens if the bill doesn't pass.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, First of all, economic
forecasters are said, we're going into a recession because taxes
are going to go through the roof. All of these
tax cuts we passed in twenty seventeen will go away
at the end of this year. Okay, So the average
family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if
the bill doesn't pass. Next year, businesses are going to
pay thousands more in taxes. We're not going to have
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the money to secure our border.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Okay. All of these terrible things are going to happen.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It will be the largest tax hike in history if.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
This bill doesn't. So that's just not an option. Right.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country's going
to default on its debt, which could drive us into
a global depression. Right, This is not our fault. This
is Joe Biden's fault. We're just here cleaning up the mess.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
And that's what we have to do. It's not anything
anybody wants to do. It's something that we have to do.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
The country can't default on its debt or people would
pay the price in a massive way I don't think
any of us can even fathom. And then on the border, look,
we've got to ultimately have money to pay for planes
and law enforcement to get people out of the country,
and that money is coming in this bill, and that
is such a critical piece. Everyone needs to understand that
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illegal immigrants in this country level that Joe Biden brought
in are a huge drain on our system. When you
talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of
dollars being cost by illegal immigrants being in this country
and being on public programs are in place for American citizens.
When we get them out of the country, that's actually
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going to lower our spending levels massively without doing a
single thing.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
One of the changes in.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
The Big Beautiful Bill will be getting millions of illegal
immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay, they're costing medicaid billions of
dollars a year. So the open borders that we have,
we have to not only have the border secure, but
we got to get these people out so they stop
draining our public resources. All of this stuff has to
work together to get our country on the right fifth
path forward.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for
giving us some of the details on the big beautiful bill.
What can you give us a census to what this
announcement is supposed to be about the Golden Dome.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I'm going to let the President break that news, but
it's very exciting stuff. Look the President and something he's
talked about for a long time. The President wants to
make make sure the homeland is secure. He wants to
make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking
about even remotely thinking about attacking our country. So it's
all part of his vision of having the most lethal
(29:37):
fighting force in the world. And that is what really
gives us the leverage to sit at the table and
demand peace not only for ourselves and our allies, but
everywhere across the globe and the world has been better
off when America has been strong in the world, and
that is part and parcel having a strong military is
part and parcel of that effort.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Peace through strength.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Thank you so much for the time. Keep up the
good work and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
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Usually we close up shop and take some calls, but
there's actually a lot going on here we want to
bring to your attention in these final minutes of the
program today. And one thing is here's the launch of
the Tapper book is interesting. We'll bring I think more.
We'll save some of those details for tomorrow's show. He
(32:04):
is on our friend Megan Kelly's program, and she is
She is making the case in case we've been making
all along, which is that he was part of the calm.
He's the wrong guy to be coming forward presenting this
as though this is truth telling. It's a day late
and a dollar short and then some and yeah so
we should. We'll get into some of that tomorrow. But
(32:26):
I mentioned this Rubio take and I just think this
is great Rubio. It's who is the who is the loser?
Who was gonna be Hillary's VP? I just know him
by face, Tim Kane, Thank you, Tim Kaine, Tim Kain.
Here he is trying to press Rubio on the africaner
refugees from South Africa, fifty of them, not even you know,
(32:47):
it's not even a big deal. But here you go.
Here's how Secretary Rubio handles it. Give him a plus.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I'm gonna ask you what so a well justified fear
of persecution.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, they thought that their farms being burned down, the
would be killed. I think that's a pretty good justification
for wanting to come.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
They're fat for their lives. And should it be applied
in an even handed way? That's an easy our foreign
that ourse.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
It doesn't require even handedness.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
The prioritizing the United phrase says you were entitled to
entrance as a refugee if you demonstrate a well justified
fear of persecution.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
And not entirely.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I have a different standard based upon the color of
somebody's skin. Would that be except well.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I'm not the one arguing that. Apparently you are because
you don't know the fact that they're right, and that
whether to say that that would be no, I would
say a very easy thing. The United States has a
right to pick and choose who they allow.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
It to be, even based on the color of somebody's skin.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
You're the one that's talking about the color of their skin,
not me. These arms turned down and they were killed
in hand the color of their skin. Well, well, you've
demonstrated enough because you think anyone should be allowed into
this country for any reason, because they who has said
that we are going to prioritize people that come into
our country on the basis of what's in the interest
of this country. That's a small number of people that
are coming. But said this week and in others it's
(33:59):
harder to vet, and in another case that's more difficult.
But by the way, the United States submits people every year.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, just just I like it. Don't give an inch,
stick to the truth, stay on it. Don't let them
do the usual nonsense here, Glaid, you remember this will
sound like a diversion, but it actually it actually ties in.
Do you remember their movie Hook with Robin Williams. Remember
that it's a good movie. Remember the the The guy
who's sort of the replacement for a while for Peter
Penn is Rufio, and they're all chanting Rufio, Rufio. That's
(34:29):
I want to do that for Ruvio here, like Rubio Rubio,
because he's kicking ass, and he's saying what needs to
be said, which is you, senator, don't like that we
took white refugees, Just say it. It Also, I think
is symptomatic of how good the Trump cabinet is at communication.
(34:50):
Whatever you think about the arguments that they are making,
they are making the most efficient and effective version of
those arguments. Whether it is with Pete hag Sath that defends,
whether it's with Rubio at Secretary of State, among many others,
Vice President J. D. Vance. There is a collection of
elite communicators younger oftentimes than a lot of the oligarchs,
(35:13):
oligarchs of the old elder groups of of the Congress.
Right and Democrats are actually quite a lot older on
average than Republicans are, and so I think it just
comes across as younger and more energetic. And certainly you
can talk about Telsea Gabbard, you can talk about Pambondi
(35:36):
and Christy Nome. I mean, this is a I think
elite level of communication that is taking place, and I
know Trump loves the conflict, and so when Rubio just
goes out there and stands up as aggressively as he is,
It's why Trump said, in particular, who takes over after
You're gone? He mentioned Jade Vance and he mentioned Marco
(35:58):
Rubio as two guys that were standing out at an
elite level to him. I just you know, there's a
there's a lot of great picks.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I was a huge JD supporter early on. I predicted
it and also said it would be a great pick
for Trump. Loved the JD pick Advice President. I think
Scott Bessen has served him very ably so far as
Treasury Secretary. Obviously, Cash and Bongino is like a dream
team over at FBI. I mean, there's so many good
you know, and I'm not leaving anybody out on purpose.
A Tom Holman, I'm like the biggest Tom Holman fan
(36:27):
on the planet. But Rubio has really stepped stepped stepped
into the role and and is is like a key player.
You know, he's become a key player of this administration.
Deserves a lot of credit. You know, he had some
bruises after the first bout with Trump running against each
other in the primary. But Trump saw him as a
worthy adversary who could now be a key player on
(36:50):
the team. And Trump deserves credit I think for that too.
And and he's Rubio is really doing good stuff, because
otherwise you're gonna let Tim Kaine do this and standing
malarkey on how but you brought in these refugees, what
about the It's like, yeah, they actually have a fear
of persecution, unlike the millions of liars you democrats let in.
(37:12):
I don't know if we have this audio. We'll bring
it over tomorrow if we don't have it right now.
Also in that hearing, Chris van Holland, the Senator from
Maryland who went down to meet with Brao Garcia, the
El Salvador, and he said, I wish I hadn't voted
for you now, which is such a loser thing to
say in a public hearing in my opinion. And also
(37:34):
since Rubio came out of the Senate. It comes across,
frankly as a personal attack more so than a political one,
and Rubio says that that makes me feel even better
about the job that I'm doing, especially, and I'm paraphrasing,
because you're traveling to El Salvador to just have Margarita's
with terrorists or illegal immigrants, which is a great line.
It's a great comeback line, and I think Rubio is
(37:56):
delivering on a high level. We'll talk about some of
that tomorrow ereat down the absolute latest on the Big
Beautiful Bill. You just heard from James Blair that he
expected it to pass the House this week and to
pass the Senate by July fourth, so a lot still
to go there. We'll have some fun with Megan Kelly
fulaying Jake Tapper over the original Sin Book. All that
coming tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with us on playing Buck.
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of you about a crazy, unbelievable story that I think
Buck knows a little bit about. By the way, two
thirty at the bottom of this hour, we'll give you
the absolute latest on the big beautiful Bill. James Blair
from the White House is going to join us. Also
reports that Trump is going to make an announcement around
three Eastern related to the Golden Dome Protective Missile Defense
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shield that he and Pete Hegseth are working alongside of.
We've got the original Sin book coming out, although it feels,
I don't know about you, Buck, a bit muted, like
they fired all of their proverbial bullets in the days
leading up to that book and there is not a
ton left there. But we will see. I haven't seen
(01:52):
any new blockbuster revelations surrounding that book today, and we
have the charges fired filed again. Congresswoman Lamonica McIvor from
the tenth Congressional District of New Jersey. A lot of
you weighing in on that, James Comy on MSNBC. We
have hit a lot of different things. This is a
crazy story, and sometimes I hit Buck with crazy stories
(02:16):
that he is not familiar with, and this is a
truly crazy story. So a lot of you out there
are big fans of Kaitlyn Clark, former Iowa women's basketball player.
She has made women's basketball matter more in college basketball
and the WNBA than at any point in my life.
(02:36):
The audience is massive for her. Lots of people are
big fans of Kaitlyn Clark. They played a game over
the weekend and she committed a foul of Angel Reese.
These two went head to head back when LSU played Iowa.
They have got a rivalry. A lot of people watch
this game over the weekend, especially considering it's a women's
(02:57):
basketball game. WNBA game. Two point seven million viewers most
watched w NBA game on ESPN. I think, ever, so
a lot of people care about this foul was called
at on a would be layup attempt. Kaitlin Clark fouls
Angel Reese, and the sports media has completely lost its
(03:21):
mind ever since that moment. So Angel Reese reacts crazily
runs after Caitlin Clark. Robert Griffin the third who is
a who is a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, drafted in
the first round in the NFL. He was attacked by
(03:43):
an ESPN employee. And I think this is important story.
Somebody say the sports story. No, I think it's a
culture story as much or more than it's a sports story.
Robert Griffin the third buck said, the reason that Angel
Reese reacted that way is because she hates Caitlin Clark.
Caitlin Clark is a better player, makes more money, more popular,
all those things, and he said this was based on hate.
(04:06):
Ryan Clark, who is employed at ESPN, fired back and said,
the reason Robert Griffin IID had that opinion is because
he has a white wife. Yeah, this is real. So
Robert Griffin, third black guy married to a white woman.
Ryan Clark said, the reason that he said Angel Rehees
(04:27):
reacted emotionally and was fueled by hate is because he's
married to a white woman. Well, this did not go
over well with Robert Griffin, IIRD, who posted what I
thought was an epic takedown yesterday. This has turned into
a big story. I think it's a cultural story, not
only a sports story. The team pulled the audio. Listen
to this.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Ryan Clark personally attacking me and my family because he
disagreed with my sports opinion is a bad look for ESPN.
It's cowardly, it's spine us, and it's weak. Ryan Clark
personally attacking me and my family personally because he disagreed
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with my sports opinion is a bad look for him
as a man. I hope you get to help.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You need brother, all right now, Buck, I just want
to toss this to you, because this is blown up.
It's everywhere. If if any white guy said the reason
a black guy has an opinion is because his wife
is black, that white guy or that white woman would
(05:35):
get fired and they would never work in sports. Again,
it's rare that I see a story and I'm like, oh,
I can't believe this is real. I legitimately can't believe
that one guy attacked another guy and said the reason
he has the opinion is because of the race of
his wife. But when you see a story like this,
and again I would encourage you. I've shared the videos.
(05:55):
You can go watch this. Rg THII basically argues this
should have nothing to do with race, right, Like, again,
it's a women's basketball foul and it's just set off
nuclear war and it's not even really sports so much
as it is culture. Now, well, a big part of
this whole conversation, And you're right, you know, Clay brings
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a story to my attention when it's in the sports world,
and he realizes that I'm gonna say, oh no, that
is a I agree with you. It's a broader cultural,
broader social commentary thread that runs through this, which is
why it's getting so much attention. First, this is something
of an aside. Would Clay and I agree on this one.
You know, when you work in media, you get used
to people saying things about you that are untrue, and
(06:40):
people attacking you and all of that. I think for
any red blooded American male who works in media, who
has any backbone at all, you randomly bring somebody's like
you randomly bring someone's wife into it. It would never
occur to me in a million years, and I would
be ashamed. I mean, it would just never happen, right,
(07:00):
to bring somebody's wife into something that you know, it's
Hillary Clinton was trying to be president, right, like it's
Bill Clinton's wife. What we understand when you bring someone's
family that has nothing to do with it into it
just to take a swipe at them, you've crossed a line.
Even in media, you've crossed a line. And I think
that mister r G three handled it very well. I
(07:22):
thought his statement was excellent. But really, the the Caitlin
Clark issue is fascinating because it shows the depth of
what a lot of people have as racial resentment toward her. Yes,
and a lot of a lot of w NBA players do,
perhaps some portion of some some of the fan base.
(07:42):
I don't think that's really the case overall, because she's
so popular in the fan base is so happy to
have a marquee star like her. But I mean, I
also have to say, I just think the w n
B A and this is not groundbreaking. It's just not
a very good product to watch on television, and women's
basketball for me is just not fun to watch. Clay
(08:04):
I went to a and I will say whereas, by
the way, I sometimes prefer watching women's tennis, not for
that reason any of you out there, but because as
an amateur tennis player, I love the game. The women's
game moves at a pace and has tactics that are
far more translated. I am powerful and more of the rallies,
(08:27):
and I'm never gonna hit one hundred and thirty mile
an hour serve and one hundred and you know, twenty
mile an hour second serve. It's just never gonna happen.
And that's a huge part of the men's game. The
women's game is much more about the groundstroke, tactics, right,
and so so anyway, and you know, so women's tennis,
for example, I think is a great product. It's not
about men and women. But some women's basketball I think
(08:48):
is not a very good product. But the fact that
their resentment of Caitlin Clark is so strong that even
though she brings money and attention. You tell me about
the ratings. I mean, I don't pay attention to this stuff,
but astonishingly high ratings for a league that has always struggled,
you know, And and all of a sudden, there's all
(09:09):
this there's all these people who are saying that that's
not good or they don't like that. So the resentment
point is obvious. And the fact that RG three would
make that point that there is something Bill So I've
played enough basketball to know it was a standard basketball foul,
the wide open layup. Caitlin Clark fouled her, Angel Reese
(09:30):
reacted crazily like she wanted to fight her. What is
the reaction based on, Hey, you know she did we
start to have yeah, but we need to start to
have conversations. It's not okay to resent anybody based upon
their race, or have resentment against any race, no matter
what what race you are. And you know, this also
comes up in the context Clay of the South African
(09:53):
africaner migrants. All of a sudden, there's a problem. There's
fifty of them, and all of a sudden, there's a
problem with bringing not a to bring white migrants into America.
That that's the actual feeling that a lot of the
country has a lot of democrats and leftists in particular
have and that's not okay. And I don't think a
white girl should be you know, again, I'm taking the
(10:15):
sort of quoting the perspective here. It's not how I feel,
but someone's saying, I don't think a white girl should
be the premier player in the w NBA because why
because she's white. That's also not okay. That's also not okay.
You know, I've started watching basketball again, NBA basketball, and
(10:38):
you know, I think it's remarkable, like no one even
cares really about it. But I think there's a strong
case to be made the best player in the NBA
right now is white. Maybe that's two or three. I mean,
you can argue that Jokic and donchik Luka are the
two best players in the NBA right now, not a
crazy tag, and I think every I think all the
other players are like those guys have a lot of game,
(10:59):
and like I respect them, and it's it's just it's
just about who's the best. Yeah, and if they're the best,
a fine one should be other guys want to beat them.
And there are plenty of minority representation in the NBA, obviously,
so it's not like that's an issue. But in the
w NBA, this resentment has been allowed to has been
allowed to kind of grow for too long, I think,
and this is a this is something that should be
(11:21):
spoken about openly because it's not it's just not right.
It's just not it's not ethical. Let me also mention
two things. One think about how if tennis had welcomed
Venus and Serena like this, right, Tennis, let's be honest,
usually a white sport. If golf had welcomed Tiger like this,
it would have been seen as unacceptable. They are a
(11:42):
different race, but they are playing at a dominant level.
And tennis and golf both benefited immensely from Venus and Serena.
I would say those leagues actually open arms, biggest endorsements imaginable. Please, please,
let's sort of expand the uh, you know, the the audience,
the audience, and everybody benefited, right Like Tiger Woods made
(12:04):
everybody in golf Richard because more people cared. Well, Caitlin
Clark's doing that in WNBA. They aren't responding well. Bobby Barack,
who does really good work at OutKick, one of our writers,
has a story coming to OutKick. A bunch of ESPN
guys are upset about what Ryan Clark did. Listen to
these quotes. Imagine how RG three's Little Black Girls feel.
(12:28):
He has four daughters seeing a prominent figure claim their
father lacks empathy for black women. Another former former player
turned ESPN analyst said, Ryan Clark's a former player. There
are two rules in the locker room. You don't talk
about a man's girl or their money. That crap wouldn't
(12:49):
fly face to face. So this is turning into a
big story, and it's all coming out of a w
NBA foul, which again speaks to the amount of attention
that's on Caitlin Clark. I think it's overall good for
the league, but to your point, Buck, it's also exposing
the ugly underside under belly of the WNBA, which is
(13:14):
a league that would rather many of these women, it appears,
fail being led by minorities than have success with a
white girl near the top, which is is very, very troubling,
and people should be able to speak about this because
you know, it's also unfair. I bet there are plenty
of w NBA players who love the idea of their
(13:35):
being more, including a lot of you know, black WNBA
players who are just like more eyeballs, please, more money, please,
like let's grow our league. But some of the stars
who weren't very big stars before because of what the
league was, but some of them have resentment. And the
resentment isn't about oh, she's not better than me or
I think you know, it's about she's a white girl
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and that's not okay. I think that's right. But so
pay attention to this story. It may be percolating up
in many of your universes. It is blowing up in
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Secretary of State Rubio Up on Capitol Hill, squaring off
with some members of Congress who don't realize that this
Rubio Rubio, I guess two point zero or three point
oho maybe is dialed in, is ready for the fight,
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of policy and has really learned Clay. I think if
you're looking at somebody who gets the most improved award
for how to handle the media and maybe learning in
no small measure from how Trump handles them, Rubio has
done really, really well. So we'll get to some of
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going to join us here in a few minutes. We
can ask him about both the believed announcement or reported
announcement coming about the Golden Dome, which is like an
iron dome except golden figure, and we'll talk him about that,
(17:38):
and then also the Big Beautiful Bill. Do we know
is that real question? Is that going to be the name?
You know, there's always an actual bill name, right, like
there was the Affordable Care Act for Obamacare. If the
Inflation Reduction Act can actually increase inflation, then I think
the Big Beautiful Bill is a fair name. What could
(18:00):
be more Trump than the signature legislation of his first
year of a second term is the big beautiful bill.
It's amazing, some people are saying, so, yeah, I think
that that could be a lot of fun. We'll dive
into some of the details on that and see, you know,
what's what, what's going on with it? Yeah. Sometimes I
(18:21):
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Speaker 3 (18:32):
We do we do?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well? No, it's no, not ready. See, it's a timing.
So we're going to talk with the White House when
we come back, and we will find out what we
think the timing is on this bill. Initially, the hope
was that they would get it done by Memorial Day.
Now there seems to be a suggestion that it might
be bumped back a bit more. We'll get the absolute
(18:54):
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are joined now by James Blair, White House Deputy Chief
of Staff, aka the Oracle, joining us now. All right,
So that's a pretty cool nickname, and I imagine that
doesn't stink to be the White House Chief of Staff
deputy that is the known as the Oracle. So let
me ask you for your predictions, Oracle, on how the
(20:51):
Big Beautiful Bill is going to go and what should
this audience know about it from your perspective.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Appreciate that going to be with you, guys.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I think that the Big Beautiful Bill will get out
of the House this week. I think that obviously, if
it gets out of the House this week, then it
will go over to the Senate. They'll work on it
for a few weeks, and the goal is to get
it on the President's text by July fourth, which I
think will happen. Look, we've got to get this done.
This bill has so much to love, guys. First of all,
(21:25):
let's talk about the border first and foremost, which nobody's
talking about anymore because the President has driven illegal border
crossings to zero since he came into office. But this
bill funds border enforcement, adds ten thousand new ice officers,
gives them pay raises, gives us everything we need logistically
to not only keep the border secure for the president's
(21:46):
entire term in office so we don't have to come
back and do this again, but also to deport people
and get millions of illegal immigrants out of this country,
which is something that a majority of the American people support. Secondarily,
it gives us the one thing we need for our military.
You know that the President is involved in complex negotiations
across the globe to bring peace that's backed up through strength.
(22:07):
And it gives us the funding to modernize our military
and make sure it's the most lethal fighting force in
the world for the foreseeable future. But then the big
thing that it does that everyone's talking about is.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
The tax cuts.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
This renews the President's historic tax cut from twenty seventeen
that was the biggest in history, and then adds more
taxes on top everything he campaigned on. No tax on tips,
no tax on social security, no tax on overtime pay.
It will be the single largest tax cut for middle
and working class Americans in the history of the country,
and it will do that while still generating more than
(22:40):
a trillion dollars right now one point seven trillion dollars
in savings for the American taxpayer, which is twice as
much savings that has ever been delivered by Congress in
the last thirty years, and that was almost thirty years
ago under Bill Clinton. So we're getting the country's fiscal
house in order. We're giving people money back in their
pocket that they are We're deregulating, we're unleashing energy, we're
(23:03):
securing the border, were rebuilding the military. We're doing what
President Trump campaigned on plane and simple. So there's still
some little issues being worked out with a few guys at.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
The edges, but in the big picture, I think we're
right on track and I think we'll get everybody there.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot
to be excited about that is in this bill. For
those who are concerned about the debt, who want the
spirit and action of Doze to be enshrined in some
way in this bill, what do you say to them
and what can we point to that deals with getting
(23:39):
that fiscal house in order, not just for this year
but in the longer term.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, great question.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Well, first of all, it's important to note that this
is by far the biggest savings, which I mentioned a
minute ago, but let's put some points on. I'm back
in the back when Bill Clinton was president, Congress passed
a package that saved like eight hundred billion dollars and
spending cuts. Okay, this one's looking like one point six
one point seven currently will still be you know, iterated
(24:07):
on a little bit as it goes.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Through the Senate and everything, but more than double. Okay.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Congress literally has not done anything like that in over
thirty years. So right there, those are the biggest savings
that we've ever seen. We're doing something called recisions, which
is the stuff that dojes found this bad stuff. We
go out of Congress votes on it, and what's called
a recisions package that's actually separate from this bill, but
then it permanently pulls out that stuff out of the budget. Okay,
(24:31):
there's savings, and then in that and then you know
what's not counted in this bill, and it's just a
stupid quirk of how legislative scoring works. Is tariff revenue.
The President is bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars
of tariff revenue right now, and that money's not being
spent Okay, that money's not being spent in the big
beautiful bill or anything else. That's just money and the
(24:52):
treasury that goes straight to deficit reduction. So sometimes, you know,
when they call it the congressional budget off, which kind
of puts out the church, they're not being honest because
they don't add in the tariff for revenue and some
of the recisions and the different things that are happening,
so you're not really seeing the full picture. But the
fact is this is a huge step in the right
direction for getting the country on a better fiscal footing,
(25:14):
and we're unlocking growth. You know, there's three things we
have to do really to get to a balanced budget,
which the President hopes to achieve at some point before
he leaves office. But you know, at least in the
foreseeable future, we've got to grow. Okay, We've got to
unleash our economy. We do that through tax cuts. We
do that through deregulation, we do that through getting government
out of the way. We're doing that, right, that's partly
(25:36):
the President, partly Congress partly doge all of those things combined. Second,
we got to do spending reductions. I already told you
the historic nature of those spending reductions that we're doing.
And then the third thing is we've just got to
deregulate and we've got to bring more jobs in. And ultimately,
you know, in twenty seventeen, we actually collected more money
(25:57):
in taxes, which improved the fiscal picture as a result
of the tax cuts then we would have if we
didn't have the tax cuts. That's because more jobs were created,
more people were paying taxes. So we've got to add revenue.
The tariffs are doing that. We've got to cut taxes.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
We've got to cut.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Regulation, unlock the economy through growth.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're doing that, and then we've got to do spending reductions.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
It's going to take all three of those things concerted
effort over a period of time. But if we just
stick through it here and we are able to do
it for four years instead of two, which means we
have to win the House majority back in the midterms,
then we'll be able to really be on a great.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Sustainable fiscal path.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
So I think we're on the path, but you know,
it's not all going to be done in one bill.
We're going to have to do a couple and this
is a monumental first step, way bigger than anyone expected
months ago. So we're really proud of that, and we
just got to get it done.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy chief of Staff.
You mentioned the border. I also think this is important,
and the tax cuts expire. So for people out there
who don't realize this, what happens if the bill doesn't pass.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, First of all, economic
forecasters are said, we're going into a recession because taxes
are going to go through the roof. All of these
tax cuts we passed in twenty seventeen will go away
at the end of this year. Okay, So the average
family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if
the bill doesn't pass. Next year, businesses are going to
pay thousands more in taxes. We're not going to have
(27:26):
the money to secure our border.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Okay. All of these terrible things are going to happen.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It will be the largest tax hike in history if.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
This bill doesn't. So that's just not an option. Right.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country's going
to default on its debt, which could drive us into
a global depression. Right, This is not our fault. This
is Joe Biden's fault. We're just here cleaning up the mess.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
And that's what we have to do. It's not anything
anybody wants to do. It's something that we have to do.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
The country can't default on its debt or people would
pay the price in a massive way I don't think
any of us can even fathom. And then on the border, look,
we've got to ultimately have money to pay for planes
and law enforcement to get people out of the country,
and that money is coming in this bill, and that
is such a critical piece. Everyone needs to understand that
(28:14):
illegal immigrants in this country level that Joe Biden brought
in are a huge drain on our system. When you
talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of
dollars being cost by illegal immigrants being in this country
and being on public programs are in place for American citizens.
When we get them out of the country, that's actually
(28:36):
going to lower our spending levels massively without doing a
single thing.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
One of the changes in.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
The Big Beautiful Bill will be getting millions of illegal
immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay, they're costing medicaid billions of
dollars a year. So the open borders that we have,
we have to not only have the border secure, but
we got to get these people out so they stop
draining our public resources. All of this stuff has to
work together to get our country on the right fifth
path forward.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Appreciate you being with us. Thank you so much for
giving us some of the details on the big beautiful bill.
What can you give us a census to what this
announcement is supposed to be about the Golden Dome.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I'm going to let the President break that news, but
it's very exciting stuff. Look the President and something he's
talked about for a long time. The President wants to
make make sure the homeland is secure. He wants to
make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking
about even remotely thinking about attacking our country. So it's
all part of his vision of having the most lethal
(29:37):
fighting force in the world. And that is what really
gives us the leverage to sit at the table and
demand peace not only for ourselves and our allies, but
everywhere across the globe and the world has been better
off when America has been strong in the world, and
that is part and parcel having a strong military is
part and parcel of that effort.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Peace through strength.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Thank you so much for the time. Keep up the
good work and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That's James Blair, White House, Deputy Chief of Staff. Buck's
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Usually we close up shop and take some calls, but
there's actually a lot going on here we want to
bring to your attention in these final minutes of the
program today. And one thing is here's the launch of
the Tapper book is interesting. We'll bring I think more.
We'll save some of those details for tomorrow's show. He
(32:04):
is on our friend Megan Kelly's program, and she is
She is making the case in case we've been making
all along, which is that he was part of the calm.
He's the wrong guy to be coming forward presenting this
as though this is truth telling. It's a day late
and a dollar short and then some and yeah so
we should. We'll get into some of that tomorrow. But
(32:26):
I mentioned this Rubio take and I just think this
is great Rubio. It's who is the who is the loser?
Who was gonna be Hillary's VP? I just know him
by face, Tim Kane, Thank you, Tim Kaine, Tim Kain.
Here he is trying to press Rubio on the africaner
refugees from South Africa, fifty of them, not even you know,
(32:47):
it's not even a big deal. But here you go.
Here's how Secretary Rubio handles it. Give him a plus.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I'm gonna ask you what so a well justified fear
of persecution.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, they thought that their farms being burned down, the
would be killed. I think that's a pretty good justification
for wanting to come.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
They're fat for their lives. And should it be applied
in an even handed way? That's an easy our foreign
that ourse.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
It doesn't require even handedness.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
The prioritizing the United phrase says you were entitled to
entrance as a refugee if you demonstrate a well justified
fear of persecution.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
And not entirely.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I have a different standard based upon the color of
somebody's skin. Would that be except well.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I'm not the one arguing that. Apparently you are because
you don't know the fact that they're right, and that
whether to say that that would be no, I would
say a very easy thing. The United States has a
right to pick and choose who they allow.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
It to be, even based on the color of somebody's skin.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
You're the one that's talking about the color of their skin,
not me. These arms turned down and they were killed
in hand the color of their skin. Well, well, you've
demonstrated enough because you think anyone should be allowed into
this country for any reason, because they who has said
that we are going to prioritize people that come into
our country on the basis of what's in the interest
of this country. That's a small number of people that
are coming. But said this week and in others it's
(33:59):
harder to vet, and in another case that's more difficult.
But by the way, the United States submits people every year.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, just just I like it. Don't give an inch,
stick to the truth, stay on it. Don't let them
do the usual nonsense here, Glaid, you remember this will
sound like a diversion, but it actually it actually ties in.
Do you remember their movie Hook with Robin Williams. Remember
that it's a good movie. Remember the the The guy
who's sort of the replacement for a while for Peter
Penn is Rufio, and they're all chanting Rufio, Rufio. That's
(34:29):
I want to do that for Ruvio here, like Rubio Rubio,
because he's kicking ass, and he's saying what needs to
be said, which is you, senator, don't like that we
took white refugees, Just say it. It Also, I think
is symptomatic of how good the Trump cabinet is at communication.
(34:50):
Whatever you think about the arguments that they are making,
they are making the most efficient and effective version of
those arguments. Whether it is with Pete hag Sath that defends,
whether it's with Rubio at Secretary of State, among many others,
Vice President J. D. Vance. There is a collection of
elite communicators younger oftentimes than a lot of the oligarchs,
(35:13):
oligarchs of the old elder groups of of the Congress.
Right and Democrats are actually quite a lot older on
average than Republicans are, and so I think it just
comes across as younger and more energetic. And certainly you
can talk about Telsea Gabbard, you can talk about Pambondi
(35:36):
and Christy Nome. I mean, this is a I think
elite level of communication that is taking place, and I
know Trump loves the conflict, and so when Rubio just
goes out there and stands up as aggressively as he is,
It's why Trump said, in particular, who takes over after
You're gone? He mentioned Jade Vance and he mentioned Marco
(35:58):
Rubio as two guys that were standing out at an
elite level to him. I just you know, there's a
there's a lot of great picks.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I was a huge JD supporter early on. I predicted
it and also said it would be a great pick
for Trump. Loved the JD pick Advice President. I think
Scott Bessen has served him very ably so far as
Treasury Secretary. Obviously, Cash and Bongino is like a dream
team over at FBI. I mean, there's so many good
you know, and I'm not leaving anybody out on purpose.
A Tom Holman, I'm like the biggest Tom Holman fan
(36:27):
on the planet. But Rubio has really stepped stepped stepped
into the role and and is is like a key player.
You know, he's become a key player of this administration.
Deserves a lot of credit. You know, he had some
bruises after the first bout with Trump running against each
other in the primary. But Trump saw him as a
worthy adversary who could now be a key player on
(36:50):
the team. And Trump deserves credit I think for that too.
And and he's Rubio is really doing good stuff, because
otherwise you're gonna let Tim Kaine do this and standing
malarkey on how but you brought in these refugees, what
about the It's like, yeah, they actually have a fear
of persecution, unlike the millions of liars you democrats let in.
(37:12):
I don't know if we have this audio. We'll bring
it over tomorrow if we don't have it right now.
Also in that hearing, Chris van Holland, the Senator from
Maryland who went down to meet with Brao Garcia, the
El Salvador, and he said, I wish I hadn't voted
for you now, which is such a loser thing to
say in a public hearing in my opinion. And also
(37:34):
since Rubio came out of the Senate. It comes across,
frankly as a personal attack more so than a political one,
and Rubio says that that makes me feel even better
about the job that I'm doing, especially, and I'm paraphrasing,
because you're traveling to El Salvador to just have Margarita's
with terrorists or illegal immigrants, which is a great line.
It's a great comeback line, and I think Rubio is
(37:56):
delivering on a high level. We'll talk about some of
that tomorrow ereat down the absolute latest on the Big
Beautiful Bill. You just heard from James Blair that he
expected it to pass the House this week and to
pass the Senate by July fourth, so a lot still
to go there. We'll have some fun with Megan Kelly
fulaying Jake Tapper over the original Sin Book. All that
coming tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with us on playing Buck.
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