June 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the political and economic implications of the much-debated “big, beautiful bill” currently under scrutiny in Washington. This hour features a robust discussion on the bill’s fiscal impact, with commentary from high-profile figures including President Donald Trump, WI Senator Ron Johnson, and Elon Musk. Buck explores the internal GOP disagreements over the bill’s projected deficit effects, mandatory spending constraints, and the reconciliation process in the Senate. The conversation highlights President Trump’s strategic vision for economic growth and border security, emphasizing that the bill fully funds the border wall and enforcement measures—key promises from his administration. The hosts argue that this legislation could be a turning point for restoring fiscal responsibility while reinforcing national sovereignty. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt defends the administration’s stance against criticism from Republican senators and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), calling into question the CBO’s credibility and historical accuracy. The segment critiques the politicization of economic forecasting and underscores the revenue potential from Trump’s tariff policies, particularly regarding China. In a special interview, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy joins the program to address the nationwide crisis in air traffic control and flight delays. He outlines the administration’s plan to modernize the outdated air traffic infrastructure, including a proposed $12 billion investment from the bill to overhaul the system with cutting-edge technology. Duffy also discusses the future of drone deliveries and air taxis, projecting major advancements by the 2028 Olympics. Duffy just released a report on the CA High Speed Rail and pointed out how liberals have spent 16 billion and are 17 years into the project with no track laid. The hour wraps with a lighter segment on music preferences, where Buck shares his eclectic taste—from classical composers like Mozart and Beethoven to electronic dance music artists like Rufus Du Sol and Bob Moses. The show closes with listener feedback and a humorous correction on the pronunciation of “Olathe.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Let's talk big beautiful bill. It's a bill that is beautiful.
It's very big, people are saying, probably.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The biggest bill. And we're going.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
To break the sent down some of this. First of all,
I know that there's a little bit of trouble in
Paradise perhaps between the departed head of DOGE departed from
government service head of Doze, Elon Musk, somebody who is
I think an incredibly talented manager and visionary in business.
(01:05):
That's obvious. I think everyone knows that. But he has
left and he was frustrated, quite a bit frustrated with
the bill and some of what it does.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And does not do.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Speaker Johnson on the House side yesterday, this has Cut five,
in his very polite and an affable way, disagrees with
Elon's assessment Play five.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Let me say this, it's very disappointed. Okay. I've come
to consider Elon a good friend. He's obviously a very
intelligent person, and he's done a lot of great work.
With all new respect, my friend Elon is terribly wrong
about the One.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Big Beautiful Bill, he says. Elon is terribly wrong about it. Hmm, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I have a hard time with Elon being terribly wrong
about it. I think there could be a difference of
opinion on it. I think though it's asking a lot
to expect us to think that Elon doesn't understand what's
going where in the spreadsheet, right. I'm not sure that
(02:11):
I can get there. I don't think that that's going
to happen. Then you also have our friends like Senator
Ron Johnson, who comes in and hangs out with us
in the program pretty regularly tells us what's going on
over on the Senate side. Here he is talking about
Elon's position on this play. Cut nine does.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
What Elon said, give you additional kind of help in
your quest on this.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, Seraman Bolsh is our case.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
He was in the inside.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
He showed us with President Trump how to do this,
you know, contract by contract, line by line. I mean
the context is all about twenty two trillion dollars in
expected denson. By the way, that counts about four trillion
dollars in tax increase, which I don't want to I
don't want to incur. But if we don't incur that
you got to make up for about four trillion dollars
in revenue.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How do you do that?
Speaker 6 (02:58):
You actually look at the numbers, take the personalities out
of it, take the invective out of it, take the
insults out of it, look at the cold hard facts.
If you do that, you get depressed really fast, and
hopefully it will cause all of.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Us to act.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, So they have Senator Johnson, We had him call in,
so he made his case to all of.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You about what needs to happen here.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But you know, this is a tough one because you
have very very smart people on different sides of an
issue who also want the same things for the country. Right,
they're working towards the same end. The challenge you have
often with Democrats is that they'll say things like border secure,
as perfect example, It's hard to debate them because they'll say,
(03:42):
I want a secure border too, and I think here's
how we get there. But they're lying they don't want
a secure border. They just don't want to admit that
because then they would lose power. In this case, you're
talking about Republicans who want a booming economy and want
fiscal sanity. The question is how do we get there
or what is necessary now for us to get there?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And this is why.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know there's this there's this back and forth that's underway,
and and there are smart people on on both sides
of this issue. There are people who are making a
case that is intelligible to me in both ways. Stephen Miller,
for example, is out there saying, look this, with reconciliation,
there is no way you can change the mandatory spending
(04:35):
that would be necessary based on the kind of numbers
that Elon and others want to see cuts. You cannot
change the mandatory spending under the reconciliation process. So this
now goes to Senate procedure. You need sixty votes to
do what it seems they think Elon and others on
(04:58):
his side of this issue would want to be done.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Now, maybe Elon.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Sees this differently, or clearly he sees it somewhat differently.
I don't know if it's that he views the Senate
procedure as self inflicted and therefore unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's one version of this.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Right, nothing in the Constitution says you need sixty votes
to do anything worthwhile in the Senate, we have this filibuster,
and we have these the self imposed mechanisms that slow
down some of the changes and the legislative processes from
having such a sweeping scope. Now, Caitlin Collins over at
(05:37):
the White House, decided that she was going to tangle
with Caroline Levitt on this issue because what do Democrats love.
They love when Republicans are at odds on something because
it allows them to just engage in. You know, they
want to just encourage the circular firing squad as much
as much as they can. I want you to hear
(05:57):
how White House Press Secretary Levitt handled this From Kaitlin Collins,
this has cut four player.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
On the Big Beautiful Bill. You said recently that it
is quote blatantly wrong to say that it adds to
the deficit. He essentially said to annestimate from the Congressional
Budget Office and other scorekeepers you believe are wrong. But
Republicans like Ron Johnson and Ram Paul disagree. They are
saying that it will add to the deficit.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
That is their customer.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Is the White House's position that those two Republican senators
are quote blatantly wrong.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
It is those senators. It's not news that they disagree
with this president on policy, and the President as vocally
called them out for and and for they're not having
their facts together. I would add the Congressional Budget Office
has been historically wrong. In fact, they predicted the Trump
tax cuts from the president's first term in twenty seventeen.
That their prediction was wrong by half a trillion dollars.
(06:48):
Those tax cuts had more nearly a half trillion dollars
more of revenue than the Congressional Budget Office scored. And
I would also point out, I don't think many people
know this. There hasn't been a single staffer in the
entire Congressional Budget Office that has contributed to a Republican
since the year two thousand. But guess what, there have
been many staffers within the Congressional Budget Office who have
(07:09):
contributed to Democrat candidates and politicians every single cycle.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Since sounds like the CBO is politicized trash. That's what
it sounds like to me. I haven't spent much time
over there. I haven't spent any time over there. I
don't know, but I do know that results speak loudly,
and if the results are they keep being wrong and
keep being right.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's just like we see with the media.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
If you're wrong over and over again, but you're always
consistently wrong in a way that helps one side politically
and harms the other side politically. You're not wrong by accident.
You're not wrong, and it's just the way it is.
Something else is guiding that decision making process. And perhaps
(07:53):
with the Congressional Budget Office, certainly this is true with
the economists. I always hate that when they love to
do this, you know, CNN or ABC News or whatever, like, well,
economists say what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's like saying human beings who wear T shirts say what? What?
Which economists? Who? Now?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I sound like, what was it? Not Scaramucci? The not Scaramucci?
The other guy Cohen who is Trump's lawyer remember with
the polls, polls, which polls, whose polls?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Your polls, polls whose polls?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
When he was on CNN, that was a pretty another
pretty epic CNN clip there. But yes, in fact it
is the case that they pretend that there is so
much more clarity on these issues.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, producer allies.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So they do the same thing with climate science, the
same thing scientists say. That is always just a version
of we are pushing something as a news organization and
found people who have some professional pedigree that we want
to leverage.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Who agree with us. That's all that means.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You can always find you an economist to say this,
or an economist to say that. And I don't mean
to be mean. I'm sure some of you economics degrees
and at some level you know microeconomics, supply and demand.
There are things that are useful in true about economics.
But if economics was a science the way that you
(09:20):
know physics is scientific or that astronomy is rooted in
science and numbers, you would be able to say, well,
I know what the economy is going to do, or
you wouldn't be wrong all the time, which economists tend
to be because there's too many factors and too many
things going on for them to be predictive. They can
give you a generalized snapshot of what could happen and why,
(09:43):
but they tend not to be right and and anyway,
this is yet another example of that. So part of
this is I think that they don't account for even
just the revenue windfall that will come from the Trump tariffs.
And Scott Bessen, who is a series guy who understands
how the economy works, was just saying on television a
(10:04):
couple of days ago he's a Treasury secretary, that China,
as a producer, is going to have to eat some
of a major portion of the costs of the tariffs.
That's not something you're hearing from any where, are we.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So, oh my gosh, price of eggs, price of eggs.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Well, they don't cry about that anymore. It's price of
eggs is down sixty percent from its high. So that's
not going to work as a talking point. So what
do they got to freak out about now, all the
stuff you're buying from China or all the stuff with
the tariffs. Trump is in an ongoing negotiation on all
of this. The markets I think have stabilized because they
have figured that out. And I think what we're going
(10:40):
to see is that if this bill is passed, it
will be even better for the economy, generate more revenue,
and put us on a better financial footing than some
of the advocates for it who aren't deeply involved in
it would currently think, or rather some of the advocates
for Trump isn't more broadly would think. And that is
(11:02):
my hope, and that that is honestly my belief as well.
The notion that we would be able to cut, you know,
that we would pay down let's say a trillion or
two trillion dollars of the national debt this year.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
We as a country, we.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
As Republicans, just don't. A majority of us just don't
want to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's not there.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
We would lose to Democrats who are insane, who are
doing crazy things, who are harmful the economy. They would
be in power. They will crush us in the midterms.
That is a political reality.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
People can say the hour is so late that we
have to do that. We have to just, you know,
just run up against that buzzsaw and see what happens.
But there is no one who knows politics in America
that I am aware of at all. Who thinks that
we could cut a trillion or two trillion dollars now
(11:57):
this year from the debt. I'm not even talking about
the deficit, the debt, and that that would not result
in a huge win for Democrats, and maybe the resurrection
of the Democrat Party as an opposition worthy of the name,
which it certainly is not right now. So those are
the big questions, those are the big problems.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
As I see them.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But I do think that this is going to be
a bill that eventually people will look back on and say, wow,
that actually did a lot of really good things for
the economy. The fact that it is going to fully
fund the border wall and border security measures alone gets
me really excited.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
This is it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Trump will have the purse in place to do all
of the things that he promised to do on the border.
The money is there, the authorization is there. If this
bill goes through, that's really meaningful. You know, maybe you
could say this way, if we fix the illegal alien
(13:02):
crisis first, it's going to be easier to fix the
debt later, because it shows we can tackle the big
things where a serious country we believe in sovereignty, there
is an argument to be made there, and this bill
absolutely funds. It funds the wall, it funds the BARD,
all of the border measures and interior enforcement measures that
(13:23):
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Transportation Duffy joining us here shortly, so we will have
a conversation with him about all things related to well transportation,
but notably the air traffic controller issues flight delays. I
am very hopeful he'll have some good things to tell
us about how this stuff is getting fixed, because the
situation of just being a person who flies in this country,
(14:53):
it is very frustrating. It is unreliable time wise for you,
and it's just it's just too much. I mean, i
feel like of the last ten flights I've taken, I
want to say eight of them have been seriously delayed.
It's just the numbers are nuts. The numbers are nuts.
(15:13):
I've definitely had a situation where I had four flights
in a row over about a week or so, and
they were all delayed, a four in a row, four
for four all delay and not like by weather in
one day. I mean four different flights in four different plays.
It's just all the man hours that are being just
lit on fire by this. It's it's craziness. So I'm
(15:35):
looking forward to talking to him about that. We got
to talk back. Speaking of talkback, THEO from Sacramento who
listens out on KFBK radio play ee, please, I.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Respect for you have got up a thousand percent even more.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
DM music is the absolute bed. I was not expecting
to get a shout out for liking electronic dance music,
but here we are. I do like ed M and
I will tell you this, it is the truth. I
listen to more classical music than anything else by far.
My number one well depends when you catch me, but
(16:12):
on my playlist, my number one played artist is always
either Mozart or Beethoven over the course of a year,
just just saying it's just the way I grew up
with classical music, so I'm a big fan. But I
do listen to some electronic dance music too, So I
will occasionally go from you know, listening to Mozart or
(16:37):
Schubert or Heiden to just switch right over to Paul Oakenfold.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Or something, you know, And that's just the way. That's
just the way that it goes.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But I've got to say, yeah, team though I've I
switched it up, you know, I like to keep people
on their toes. I also, I don't even know what
the music is that I like. Like how you would
describe this what what do you call rufus Dussoul and
and bob is and what is that genre? I just
feel like it's people my age from the I don't know,
(17:07):
from the East Coast, Like listen to this stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't know what you is?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It like new it's not alt, and it's not like
alternative rock or something. I don't know what do you
even call the music I listened to? So, but I
gave you a couple of bands there that I like
that I've been to. Actually took Cary to see both
of those live before we got engaged. So I'm thinking
of those are the two live, last live shows that
I went to for music. But yeah, I should probably
go to the Symphony sometime down here in Miami. But yeah,
(17:34):
e DM electronic dance music. It's fun, it's great for
working out too. It's good stuff. Rufus Dusoul is electronic dance. Yeah,
so maybe that is EDM. Then I guess it sort
of falls under that category. So I like that stuff.
I grew up around a lot of hip hop music
in New York City, was played at all the parties
and everything else. I am not a hip hop person.
I do not listen to hip hop music anymore and
(17:55):
have not for a long time. So yeah, just getting
into a little bit of a music genres discussion today.
I do find that it's important to set up a
good place in your house where you can listen to music.
And I'm just going to tell you just listen to
more classical music. I know it seems like, just trust
me on that one. Just put it on in the background.
(18:15):
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Speaker 3 (19:30):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, Mister Secretary, welcome on the program.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Hey man, this I think this is my inaugural of
visit to the program.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Thanks for having me on that. Appreciate it absolutely, We're
honored to have you. Clay sends his regards. He is
on the golf course today. I'm hearing rumors that he
hited three hundred and forty yards from the back.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Teez.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I don't know if that's true or not, but this
is what people are saying. But tell me this.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Let's just leave the play on the.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Golf person show up.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, let's do this though, tell me what's going on. Particularly,
I'm a New Yorker at least I grew up in
New York, so I spent plenty of time in Newark Airport.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It has been a total mess.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
The air traffic control situation seems like it's a disaster
that you inherited here.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And is it getting better? What is the problem?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Why are we constantly having all these flight delays that
aren't weather related?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
How does it get fixed?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You got a lot of frustrated flyers out there who
are hoping you're going to help clear all this nonsense up.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Yeah, So first we have to recognize this has been
a problem that's been burning for a long time, but
it was coming to a head over the last four years.
Over the last administration, our government watchdog groups sold Biden
and Blueta judge listeners, you're going to have real problems.
You need to fix the air traffic control system, and
they into anything. So they've left it to us. And
(20:55):
what you saw in Newark is kind of a culmination
of several of the problems that we have in the airspace,
and they happened at the same time. So in Newark
you have three things. One they shut down a runway
to repave it, right, they open it up thirteen days
before schedule.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Great on the port authority.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
But the two issues remaining, our issues that we see
throughout the whole system were three thousand air traffic controllers
short nationwide, and so you're seeing a lack of controllers
in the Philly Tracon that controls the Newark airspace. And
then we're having telecom issues. Our infrastructure for air traffic
(21:35):
control still uses copper wires. Nobody uses copper wires anymore.
Everyone's on fiber. So we were having telecom issues in
the Philly Traycon and we resolved that issue on the
copper wire, but Verizon moved incredibly fast, our partner there,
(21:56):
and laid brand new fiber between Philly and New York.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
And so it's not but we're still testing.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
That that that cyber you want to be ultra safe
before you switch it over. That'll be tested through probably
the end of June or early July. And then there's
twenty two controllers in the Philly Traycon.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Six of them are out right now.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
Five for the trauma that they had because of the
outages from late April early May.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
One is on sick Lead.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
We brought in twenty two new controllers to train in
Silly right now. Now, when I say a new controller,
what I mean is this could be an air traffic
controller who is certified in a different airspace, say Denver.
If they come to the Philly tray con to control
a different airspace, they have to get recertified on that
specific airspace. And so most of these are experienced controllers,
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but it's going to take them time to get certified.
So the problems of telecom and the problems of the runway,
and the problems of the controllers, you're gonna have a
slow roll of continual improvement. But you were seeing, and
I'm giving you a lot of information here, Buck, but
what you saw was this, we reduced the capacity at Newark.
(23:17):
So all these flights were scheduled, but they weren't fine
because we reduced the capacity, and you saw delays and
cancelations and it was a disaster for a couple of weeks.
What we've done is we've got all the airlines to
agree that we're gonna reduce our capacity. So if you
book in Newark now, you actually fly, And that's what's key.
(23:37):
No one wants to go here and wait four hours
and be canceled. So because of the agreement that we
have at Newark, everyone says, Okay, we're not gonna have
as many flights coming out of here, but the ones
we do have will actually go. So we're on the
path to resolve in it. But all these solutions take
time because you can't set your fingers and create more
controllers than you can't you know, quickly run fiber and
(23:59):
then you know, be tested. But we're doing it and
it's going to get better in Nowork. But give me
some grace now.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Nationwide, mister Secretary, there's also it feels like and you
see a lot of people complaining about it on X
I'm sure just flight delays have it feels like the
problem is constantly getting worse, not better. So you've talked
to us about Newark, but just in general across the country,
how do we get it so that especially a lot
(24:27):
of these routes where people are flying, you know, and
there's a sixty or seventy percent delay rate, Some of
these delay rates just seems unconscionable. Is that a function
of airlines got to scale back the flights?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Is it air traffic control.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
How do we get it so that people can really
believe credibly if there's clear skies. Okay, I'm not talking
about if there's tornadoes or crazy weather, but if the
weather is fine, their plane's probably going to take off
when it's supposed to and they're probably going to get
off it when they're supposed to.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Yeah, So we are using equtment that is, you know,
twenty five thirty five years old, and whether it's the
towers that are at the airports, the tradecon you know,
is the next ring out from the tower. It's really
old equipment and it's really old telecom. And so I'm
gonna need a lot of money from Congress. It should
(25:17):
have been done, you know, a decade ago. It wasn't,
and we have to basically gut and build brand new
our air traffic control system with the best technology in
the world. We can do it really quickly. It's going
to take you know, three years. If the Congress clears
the committing process for me. If I don't have to
go through an EPA that just you know stacks, you know,
(25:39):
you know, a month upon month or a year upon year,
they clear that for me, we're gonna be able to
do it fast, and what you'll see is you can
handle greater capacity with the new system that we're going
to build, and as new technology becomes available, you can
deploy it off this new system to.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Get even more efficiencies.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
It's instead of having buck instead of having the flip phone,
that you can send as many updates as you want
to your razor flip phone. If that's in your genre,
it was in mine, you can you know it's not
an update.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
It is what it is. It's all it's antiquated. That's
what we have right now.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
But if I build you an iPhone fifteen, you can
deploy a ton of technology off of it. We're gonna
build you the iPhone fifteen that you can build technology
off of. And you have to think that we're gonna
have more air travel, but it's gonna get more complicated
because we're gonna deploy. In the next years, you're gonna
see drone technology expand and services expands throughout the country,
(26:36):
where you're gonna get Amazon deliveries, you're gonna get your
your Uber Eats, You're gonna get a hocked up of
coffee from Starbucks if you stop. If you get your
coffee at Starbucks all by a drone and we're gonna
have Evatol.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
These are like the ubers in the air there, they're.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
They're there, they're they're big drones that you can hold,
you know, three four people in You're gonna see those
deploy in the airspace.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
How far from that, mister Secretary, because that sounds pretty cool,
it's very cool.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
So they're they're testing these, uh, these evotols right now.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
They're they're they're I think you.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Can see the technology advance or Sure, which is one
of the technologies is actually has a contract with the
Olympics in twenty twenty eight and it's not just the
showcase of technology. They actually have to use that technology
to move people around all the different sites at the
LA Olympics. So it's it's moving very fast. The FAA
has to certify it, make sure it's safe. Eventually you'll
(27:34):
see you want to have these will not be piloted,
they can be autonomous or right now in certain parts
of the country like in Texas, the drone the drone
deliveries are are happening in certain parts of the country
right now.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Easy successful people love them.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
And what they're done with drones is obviously the noise
becomes a concern. They've done really well, uh innovating on
props to reduce the noise, really know what's in the
sky when it's covering over your housedrop in product or
setting product down.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's very cool. Well, that's looking forward to having that
going on. But obviously, if it's tough to have air
traffic control for planes, if we put thousands, tens of thousands,
however many drones and air taxis in the sky, that's
gonna I assume that's going to result in some interesting
air traffic issues as well.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So hopefully that'll all get squared away.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Tell us about the report you just released California's high
speed rail sixteen billion dollars, seventeen years, no track laid.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
How is that possible?
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Yeah, it's a great question. So first, I'm a conservative.
I would love to have high speed rail in America.
I think it would be great if we could do it.
This was the first big project and like liberals, seem
to always deliver the same results, which are not very good.
This was supposed to be done years ago and it
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was supposed to cost a little over twenty billion dollars.
They haven't laid any track. They've spent billions. They've now
told us that they can complete a truncated portion of
the project by twenty thirty three. We looked at their data.
They've given us eighty thousand pages of documents. They just
can't do it. And so they have what four billion
(29:23):
dollars of grants that have been given by the DOT
And it's our philosophy that if we give them that
for if we let that four billion dollars go, that's
four billion we don't have for other good projects around
the country. And I think the taxpayer expects us to
spend their money well and not to invest in boondoggles.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
And so where do the.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Money I got to ask, mister Sigre where sixteen billion dollars,
it's a lot of money for a state level project.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
What was it spent on?
Speaker 9 (29:53):
So they were buying land right And by the way,
there is an eyebrow raised for for me in that
I was the land Who is buying land along the
route of this of this proposed high speed rail? And
how much money did they make and how they connected
(30:15):
to politicians? All those questions need to be asked and
looked at. Is you know, was there any criminal activity.
I don't know, but I think it should be looked
at the project now, it's it's out over ten years,
and if they did the full project, there was supposed
to be you know, you know, tens of billions. It
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would be one hundred and thirty billion dollars to actually
build it, and they still don't know that they can
do it in any specific timeframe.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
So you have to recognize.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
That it's a nice concept. But Liberals all spend money
well and they haven't done it well in this project.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
And so at what point does does.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
The government cut bait and say, you know what, We're
not going to do this one. But maybe there's other
good projects across the country that we could invest in
that would that would serve the population well.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And tell us about what's in the assuming it gets
passed more or less as as is, what is in
the big beautiful bill that will go to transportation that
will make a difference to the American people.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
So for us, we uh, there's there's twelve billion dollars
for this brand new air traffic control system. That's not
going to be enough. You got to think about this.
It's this is the biggest it's nationwide infrastructure. It is
the most important infrastructure that that we're going to build
on in the last several decades, for sure, because it's
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such a big part of our economy. People find, whether
it's business or pleasure. We move a lot of products
through the air.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
And so we have twelve billion. We'll need more more
than that at a later point. They're going to have
to give it to us. One of the problems Buck
in the past is that Congress.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Would give conscies of money to the f and then
the priority would change or the administration changes, and they
never got the money.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
So we need to get the money up front. So
twelve billion is a nice start.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
We can begin the project, but this year I need
to get the rest of the money, and then in
that secondary bill we can hopefully get the clearing the
deck of the of the permits. I also think that
pulls making sure you don't get a massive tax increase.
That's big force and the big beautiful bill. Also, there's
a provision that if you buy a brand new car
(32:32):
that was made in America, you can write up to
right off up to ten thousand dollars of your interest
payments on the vehicle. So again incentivizing people to buy
new cars, and the president's doing all kinds of things
to deliver on the promises that he made during the campaign, which,
by the way, is nice that we have presidents that
actually do what they say or try to accomplish what
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they promised.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Thanks forredation, Secretary Sean Duffy, Sir, thank you so much
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We appreciate it. I got to you, Yeah, you got me.
Thank you, Sarah. Good to talk to you.
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Speaker 3 (34:55):
Some really fun stuff actually coming in. Charles Cook, who's
an old friend of mine from the Real News at
the Blaze days, he's over a National Review.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
He does a really good job on this one. I
think Karine Jean Pierre has a book.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
The title of the book of the White House Press
Secretary under Biden is Independent, A look inside a broken
White House outside the party lines. And Karine Jean Pierre
is now getting headlines for leaving the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
She's not saying she's an independent.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You are the White House press secretary. You like, the
chief propagandist of the Biden White House. I know you
could say any any press secretary, that's somewhat the job.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
But it's you're a propagandist.
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If you're saying things that you really know are not true, right,
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Speaker 2 (35:48):
And Charles Cook points out that.
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From twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, Green Jean Pierre's
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Everything Biden was correct, and then twenty twenty five You
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Totally agree with Charles on this one.
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Thank you, my friend, olaka the thriving metropolis of Olaitha.
I do learn some new towns on this show, so
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and some of them have some pretty funky names. But
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Let's talk big beautiful bill. It's a bill that is beautiful.
It's very big, people are saying, probably.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The biggest bill. And we're going.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
To break the sent down some of this. First of all,
I know that there's a little bit of trouble in
Paradise perhaps between the departed head of DOGE departed from
government service head of Doze, Elon Musk, somebody who is
I think an incredibly talented manager and visionary in business.
(01:05):
That's obvious. I think everyone knows that. But he has
left and he was frustrated, quite a bit frustrated with
the bill and some of what it does.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
And does not do.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Speaker Johnson on the House side yesterday, this has Cut five,
in his very polite and an affable way, disagrees with
Elon's assessment Play five.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Let me say this, it's very disappointed. Okay. I've come
to consider Elon a good friend. He's obviously a very
intelligent person, and he's done a lot of great work.
With all new respect, my friend Elon is terribly wrong
about the One.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Big Beautiful Bill, he says. Elon is terribly wrong about it. Hmm, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I have a hard time with Elon being terribly wrong
about it. I think there could be a difference of
opinion on it. I think though it's asking a lot
to expect us to think that Elon doesn't understand what's
going where in the spreadsheet, right. I'm not sure that
(02:11):
I can get there. I don't think that that's going
to happen. Then you also have our friends like Senator
Ron Johnson, who comes in and hangs out with us
in the program pretty regularly tells us what's going on
over on the Senate side. Here he is talking about
Elon's position on this play. Cut nine does.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
What Elon said, give you additional kind of help in
your quest on this.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, Seraman Bolsh is our case.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
He was in the inside.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
He showed us with President Trump how to do this,
you know, contract by contract, line by line. I mean
the context is all about twenty two trillion dollars in
expected denson. By the way, that counts about four trillion
dollars in tax increase, which I don't want to I
don't want to incur. But if we don't incur that
you got to make up for about four trillion dollars
in revenue.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How do you do that?
Speaker 6 (02:58):
You actually look at the numbers, take the personalities out
of it, take the invective out of it, take the
insults out of it, look at the cold hard facts.
If you do that, you get depressed really fast, and
hopefully it will cause all of.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Us to act.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, So they have Senator Johnson, We had him call in,
so he made his case to all of.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You about what needs to happen here.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
But you know, this is a tough one because you
have very very smart people on different sides of an
issue who also want the same things for the country. Right,
they're working towards the same end. The challenge you have
often with Democrats is that they'll say things like border secure,
as perfect example, It's hard to debate them because they'll say,
(03:42):
I want a secure border too, and I think here's
how we get there. But they're lying they don't want
a secure border. They just don't want to admit that
because then they would lose power. In this case, you're
talking about Republicans who want a booming economy and want
fiscal sanity. The question is how do we get there
or what is necessary now for us to get there?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And this is why.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know there's this there's this back and forth that's underway,
and and there are smart people on on both sides
of this issue. There are people who are making a
case that is intelligible to me in both ways. Stephen Miller,
for example, is out there saying, look this, with reconciliation,
there is no way you can change the mandatory spending
(04:35):
that would be necessary based on the kind of numbers
that Elon and others want to see cuts. You cannot
change the mandatory spending under the reconciliation process. So this
now goes to Senate procedure. You need sixty votes to
do what it seems they think Elon and others on
(04:58):
his side of this issue would want to be done.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Now, maybe Elon.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Sees this differently, or clearly he sees it somewhat differently.
I don't know if it's that he views the Senate
procedure as self inflicted and therefore unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's one version of this.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Right, nothing in the Constitution says you need sixty votes
to do anything worthwhile in the Senate, we have this filibuster,
and we have these the self imposed mechanisms that slow
down some of the changes and the legislative processes from
having such a sweeping scope. Now, Caitlin Collins over at
(05:37):
the White House, decided that she was going to tangle
with Caroline Levitt on this issue because what do Democrats love.
They love when Republicans are at odds on something because
it allows them to just engage in. You know, they
want to just encourage the circular firing squad as much
as much as they can. I want you to hear
(05:57):
how White House Press Secretary Levitt handled this From Kaitlin Collins,
this has cut four player.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
On the Big Beautiful Bill. You said recently that it
is quote blatantly wrong to say that it adds to
the deficit. He essentially said to annestimate from the Congressional
Budget Office and other scorekeepers you believe are wrong. But
Republicans like Ron Johnson and Ram Paul disagree. They are
saying that it will add to the deficit.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
That is their customer.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Is the White House's position that those two Republican senators
are quote blatantly wrong.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
It is those senators. It's not news that they disagree
with this president on policy, and the President as vocally
called them out for and and for they're not having
their facts together. I would add the Congressional Budget Office
has been historically wrong. In fact, they predicted the Trump
tax cuts from the president's first term in twenty seventeen.
That their prediction was wrong by half a trillion dollars.
(06:48):
Those tax cuts had more nearly a half trillion dollars
more of revenue than the Congressional Budget Office scored. And
I would also point out, I don't think many people
know this. There hasn't been a single staffer in the
entire Congressional Budget Office that has contributed to a Republican
since the year two thousand. But guess what, there have
been many staffers within the Congressional Budget Office who have
(07:09):
contributed to Democrat candidates and politicians every single cycle.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Since sounds like the CBO is politicized trash. That's what
it sounds like to me. I haven't spent much time
over there. I haven't spent any time over there. I
don't know, but I do know that results speak loudly,
and if the results are they keep being wrong and
keep being right.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's just like we see with the media.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
If you're wrong over and over again, but you're always
consistently wrong in a way that helps one side politically
and harms the other side politically. You're not wrong by accident.
You're not wrong, and it's just the way it is.
Something else is guiding that decision making process. And perhaps
(07:53):
with the Congressional Budget Office, certainly this is true with
the economists. I always hate that when they love to
do this, you know, CNN or ABC News or whatever, like, well,
economists say what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's like saying human beings who wear T shirts say what? What?
Which economists? Who? Now?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I sound like, what was it? Not Scaramucci? The not Scaramucci?
The other guy Cohen who is Trump's lawyer remember with
the polls, polls, which polls, whose polls?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Your polls, polls whose polls?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
When he was on CNN, that was a pretty another
pretty epic CNN clip there. But yes, in fact it
is the case that they pretend that there is so
much more clarity on these issues.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, producer allies.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So they do the same thing with climate science, the
same thing scientists say. That is always just a version
of we are pushing something as a news organization and
found people who have some professional pedigree that we want
to leverage.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Who agree with us. That's all that means.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You can always find you an economist to say this,
or an economist to say that. And I don't mean
to be mean. I'm sure some of you economics degrees
and at some level you know microeconomics, supply and demand.
There are things that are useful in true about economics.
But if economics was a science the way that you
(09:20):
know physics is scientific or that astronomy is rooted in
science and numbers, you would be able to say, well,
I know what the economy is going to do, or
you wouldn't be wrong all the time, which economists tend
to be because there's too many factors and too many
things going on for them to be predictive. They can
give you a generalized snapshot of what could happen and why,
(09:43):
but they tend not to be right and and anyway,
this is yet another example of that. So part of
this is I think that they don't account for even
just the revenue windfall that will come from the Trump tariffs.
And Scott Bessen, who is a series guy who understands
how the economy works, was just saying on television a
(10:04):
couple of days ago he's a Treasury secretary, that China,
as a producer, is going to have to eat some
of a major portion of the costs of the tariffs.
That's not something you're hearing from any where, are we.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
So, oh my gosh, price of eggs, price of eggs.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Well, they don't cry about that anymore. It's price of
eggs is down sixty percent from its high. So that's
not going to work as a talking point. So what
do they got to freak out about now, all the
stuff you're buying from China or all the stuff with
the tariffs. Trump is in an ongoing negotiation on all
of this. The markets I think have stabilized because they
have figured that out. And I think what we're going
(10:40):
to see is that if this bill is passed, it
will be even better for the economy, generate more revenue,
and put us on a better financial footing than some
of the advocates for it who aren't deeply involved in
it would currently think, or rather some of the advocates
for Trump isn't more broadly would think. And that is
(11:02):
my hope, and that that is honestly my belief as well.
The notion that we would be able to cut, you know,
that we would pay down let's say a trillion or
two trillion dollars of the national debt this year.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
We as a country, we.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
As Republicans, just don't. A majority of us just don't
want to do it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's not there.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
We would lose to Democrats who are insane, who are
doing crazy things, who are harmful the economy. They would
be in power. They will crush us in the midterms.
That is a political reality.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
People can say the hour is so late that we
have to do that. We have to just, you know,
just run up against that buzzsaw and see what happens.
But there is no one who knows politics in America
that I am aware of at all. Who thinks that
we could cut a trillion or two trillion dollars now
(11:57):
this year from the debt. I'm not even talking about
the deficit, the debt, and that that would not result
in a huge win for Democrats, and maybe the resurrection
of the Democrat Party as an opposition worthy of the name,
which it certainly is not right now. So those are
the big questions, those are the big problems.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
As I see them.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But I do think that this is going to be
a bill that eventually people will look back on and say, wow,
that actually did a lot of really good things for
the economy. The fact that it is going to fully
fund the border wall and border security measures alone gets
me really excited.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
This is it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Trump will have the purse in place to do all
of the things that he promised to do on the border.
The money is there, the authorization is there. If this
bill goes through, that's really meaningful. You know, maybe you
could say this way, if we fix the illegal alien
(13:02):
crisis first, it's going to be easier to fix the
debt later, because it shows we can tackle the big
things where a serious country we believe in sovereignty, there
is an argument to be made there, and this bill
absolutely funds. It funds the wall, it funds the BARD,
all of the border measures and interior enforcement measures that
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Transportation Duffy joining us here shortly, so we will have
a conversation with him about all things related to well transportation,
but notably the air traffic controller issues flight delays. I
am very hopeful he'll have some good things to tell
us about how this stuff is getting fixed, because the
situation of just being a person who flies in this country,
(14:53):
it is very frustrating. It is unreliable time wise for you,
and it's just it's just too much. I mean, i
feel like of the last ten flights I've taken, I
want to say eight of them have been seriously delayed.
It's just the numbers are nuts. The numbers are nuts.
(15:13):
I've definitely had a situation where I had four flights
in a row over about a week or so, and
they were all delayed, a four in a row, four
for four all delay and not like by weather in
one day. I mean four different flights in four different plays.
It's just all the man hours that are being just
lit on fire by this. It's it's craziness. So I'm
(15:35):
looking forward to talking to him about that. We got
to talk back. Speaking of talkback, THEO from Sacramento who
listens out on KFBK radio play ee, please, I.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Respect for you have got up a thousand percent even more.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
DM music is the absolute bed. I was not expecting
to get a shout out for liking electronic dance music,
but here we are. I do like ed M and
I will tell you this, it is the truth. I
listen to more classical music than anything else by far.
My number one well depends when you catch me, but
(16:12):
on my playlist, my number one played artist is always
either Mozart or Beethoven over the course of a year,
just just saying it's just the way I grew up
with classical music, so I'm a big fan. But I
do listen to some electronic dance music too, So I
will occasionally go from you know, listening to Mozart or
(16:37):
Schubert or Heiden to just switch right over to Paul Oakenfold.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Or something, you know, And that's just the way. That's
just the way that it goes.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But I've got to say, yeah, team though I've I
switched it up, you know, I like to keep people
on their toes. I also, I don't even know what
the music is that I like. Like how you would
describe this what what do you call rufus Dussoul and
and bob is and what is that genre? I just
feel like it's people my age from the I don't know,
(17:07):
from the East Coast, Like listen to this stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't know what you is?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It like new it's not alt, and it's not like
alternative rock or something. I don't know what do you
even call the music I listened to? So, but I
gave you a couple of bands there that I like
that I've been to. Actually took Cary to see both
of those live before we got engaged. So I'm thinking
of those are the two live, last live shows that
I went to for music. But yeah, I should probably
go to the Symphony sometime down here in Miami. But yeah,
(17:34):
e DM electronic dance music. It's fun, it's great for
working out too. It's good stuff. Rufus Dusoul is electronic dance. Yeah,
so maybe that is EDM. Then I guess it sort
of falls under that category. So I like that stuff.
I grew up around a lot of hip hop music
in New York City, was played at all the parties
and everything else. I am not a hip hop person.
I do not listen to hip hop music anymore and
(17:55):
have not for a long time. So yeah, just getting
into a little bit of a music genres discussion today.
I do find that it's important to set up a
good place in your house where you can listen to music.
And I'm just going to tell you just listen to
more classical music. I know it seems like, just trust
me on that one. Just put it on in the background.
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He's finally with us. We're very please.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, Mister Secretary, welcome on the program.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Hey man, this I think this is my inaugural of
visit to the program.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Thanks for having me on that. Appreciate it absolutely, We're
honored to have you. Clay sends his regards. He is
on the golf course today. I'm hearing rumors that he
hited three hundred and forty yards from the back.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Teez.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I don't know if that's true or not, but this
is what people are saying. But tell me this.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Let's just leave the play on the.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Golf person show up.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, let's do this though, tell me what's going on. Particularly,
I'm a New Yorker at least I grew up in
New York, so I spent plenty of time in Newark Airport.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It has been a total mess.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
The air traffic control situation seems like it's a disaster
that you inherited here.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And is it getting better? What is the problem?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Why are we constantly having all these flight delays that
aren't weather related?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
How does it get fixed?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You got a lot of frustrated flyers out there who
are hoping you're going to help clear all this nonsense up.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Yeah, So first we have to recognize this has been
a problem that's been burning for a long time, but
it was coming to a head over the last four years.
Over the last administration, our government watchdog groups sold Biden
and Blueta judge listeners, you're going to have real problems.
You need to fix the air traffic control system, and
they into anything. So they've left it to us. And
(20:55):
what you saw in Newark is kind of a culmination
of several of the problems that we have in the airspace,
and they happened at the same time. So in Newark
you have three things. One they shut down a runway
to repave it, right, they open it up thirteen days
before schedule.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Great on the port authority.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
But the two issues remaining, our issues that we see
throughout the whole system were three thousand air traffic controllers
short nationwide, and so you're seeing a lack of controllers
in the Philly Tracon that controls the Newark airspace. And
then we're having telecom issues. Our infrastructure for air traffic
(21:35):
control still uses copper wires. Nobody uses copper wires anymore.
Everyone's on fiber. So we were having telecom issues in
the Philly Traycon and we resolved that issue on the
copper wire, but Verizon moved incredibly fast, our partner there,
(21:56):
and laid brand new fiber between Philly and New York.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
And so it's not but we're still testing.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
That that that cyber you want to be ultra safe
before you switch it over. That'll be tested through probably
the end of June or early July. And then there's
twenty two controllers in the Philly Traycon.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Six of them are out right now.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
Five for the trauma that they had because of the
outages from late April early May.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
One is on sick Lead.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
We brought in twenty two new controllers to train in
Silly right now. Now, when I say a new controller,
what I mean is this could be an air traffic
controller who is certified in a different airspace, say Denver.
If they come to the Philly tray con to control
a different airspace, they have to get recertified on that
specific airspace. And so most of these are experienced controllers,
(22:54):
but it's going to take them time to get certified.
So the problems of telecom and the problems of the runway,
and the problems of the controllers, you're gonna have a
slow roll of continual improvement. But you were seeing, and
I'm giving you a lot of information here, Buck, but
what you saw was this, we reduced the capacity at Newark.
(23:17):
So all these flights were scheduled, but they weren't fine
because we reduced the capacity, and you saw delays and
cancelations and it was a disaster for a couple of weeks.
What we've done is we've got all the airlines to
agree that we're gonna reduce our capacity. So if you
book in Newark now, you actually fly, And that's what's key.
(23:37):
No one wants to go here and wait four hours
and be canceled. So because of the agreement that we
have at Newark, everyone says, Okay, we're not gonna have
as many flights coming out of here, but the ones
we do have will actually go. So we're on the
path to resolve in it. But all these solutions take
time because you can't set your fingers and create more
controllers than you can't you know, quickly run fiber and
(23:59):
then you know, be tested. But we're doing it and
it's going to get better in Nowork. But give me
some grace now.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Nationwide, mister Secretary, there's also it feels like and you
see a lot of people complaining about it on X
I'm sure just flight delays have it feels like the
problem is constantly getting worse, not better. So you've talked
to us about Newark, but just in general across the country,
how do we get it so that especially a lot
(24:27):
of these routes where people are flying, you know, and
there's a sixty or seventy percent delay rate, Some of
these delay rates just seems unconscionable. Is that a function
of airlines got to scale back the flights?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Is it air traffic control.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
How do we get it so that people can really
believe credibly if there's clear skies. Okay, I'm not talking
about if there's tornadoes or crazy weather, but if the
weather is fine, their plane's probably going to take off
when it's supposed to and they're probably going to get
off it when they're supposed to.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
Yeah, So we are using equtment that is, you know,
twenty five thirty five years old, and whether it's the
towers that are at the airports, the tradecon you know,
is the next ring out from the tower. It's really
old equipment and it's really old telecom. And so I'm
gonna need a lot of money from Congress. It should
(25:17):
have been done, you know, a decade ago. It wasn't,
and we have to basically gut and build brand new
our air traffic control system with the best technology in
the world. We can do it really quickly. It's going
to take you know, three years. If the Congress clears
the committing process for me. If I don't have to
go through an EPA that just you know stacks, you know,
(25:39):
you know, a month upon month or a year upon year,
they clear that for me, we're gonna be able to
do it fast, and what you'll see is you can
handle greater capacity with the new system that we're going
to build, and as new technology becomes available, you can
deploy it off this new system to.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Get even more efficiencies.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
It's instead of having buck instead of having the flip phone,
that you can send as many updates as you want
to your razor flip phone. If that's in your genre,
it was in mine, you can you know it's not
an update.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
It is what it is. It's all it's antiquated. That's
what we have right now.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
But if I build you an iPhone fifteen, you can
deploy a ton of technology off of it. We're gonna
build you the iPhone fifteen that you can build technology
off of. And you have to think that we're gonna
have more air travel, but it's gonna get more complicated
because we're gonna deploy. In the next years, you're gonna
see drone technology expand and services expands throughout the country,
(26:36):
where you're gonna get Amazon deliveries, you're gonna get your
your Uber Eats, You're gonna get a hocked up of
coffee from Starbucks if you stop. If you get your
coffee at Starbucks all by a drone and we're gonna
have Evatol.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
These are like the ubers in the air there, they're.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
They're there, they're they're big drones that you can hold,
you know, three four people in You're gonna see those
deploy in the airspace.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
How far from that, mister Secretary, because that sounds pretty cool,
it's very cool.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
So they're they're testing these, uh, these evotols right now.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
They're they're they're I think you.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Can see the technology advance or Sure, which is one
of the technologies is actually has a contract with the
Olympics in twenty twenty eight and it's not just the
showcase of technology. They actually have to use that technology
to move people around all the different sites at the
LA Olympics. So it's it's moving very fast. The FAA
has to certify it, make sure it's safe. Eventually you'll
(27:34):
see you want to have these will not be piloted,
they can be autonomous or right now in certain parts
of the country like in Texas, the drone the drone
deliveries are are happening in certain parts of the country
right now.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Easy successful people love them.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
And what they're done with drones is obviously the noise
becomes a concern. They've done really well, uh innovating on
props to reduce the noise, really know what's in the
sky when it's covering over your housedrop in product or
setting product down.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's very cool. Well, that's looking forward to having that
going on. But obviously, if it's tough to have air
traffic control for planes, if we put thousands, tens of thousands,
however many drones and air taxis in the sky, that's
gonna I assume that's going to result in some interesting
air traffic issues as well.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So hopefully that'll all get squared away.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Tell us about the report you just released California's high
speed rail sixteen billion dollars, seventeen years, no track laid.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
How is that possible?
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Yeah, it's a great question. So first, I'm a conservative.
I would love to have high speed rail in America.
I think it would be great if we could do it.
This was the first big project and like liberals, seem
to always deliver the same results, which are not very good.
This was supposed to be done years ago and it
(29:00):
was supposed to cost a little over twenty billion dollars.
They haven't laid any track. They've spent billions. They've now
told us that they can complete a truncated portion of
the project by twenty thirty three. We looked at their data.
They've given us eighty thousand pages of documents. They just
can't do it. And so they have what four billion
(29:23):
dollars of grants that have been given by the DOT
And it's our philosophy that if we give them that
for if we let that four billion dollars go, that's
four billion we don't have for other good projects around
the country. And I think the taxpayer expects us to
spend their money well and not to invest in boondoggles.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
And so where do the.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Money I got to ask, mister Sigre where sixteen billion dollars,
it's a lot of money for a state level project.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
What was it spent on?
Speaker 9 (29:53):
So they were buying land right And by the way,
there is an eyebrow raised for for me in that
I was the land Who is buying land along the
route of this of this proposed high speed rail? And
how much money did they make and how they connected
(30:15):
to politicians? All those questions need to be asked and
looked at. Is you know, was there any criminal activity.
I don't know, but I think it should be looked
at the project now, it's it's out over ten years,
and if they did the full project, there was supposed
to be you know, you know, tens of billions. It
(30:36):
would be one hundred and thirty billion dollars to actually
build it, and they still don't know that they can
do it in any specific timeframe.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
So you have to recognize.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
That it's a nice concept. But Liberals all spend money
well and they haven't done it well in this project.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
And so at what point does does.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
The government cut bait and say, you know what, We're
not going to do this one. But maybe there's other
good projects across the country that we could invest in
that would that would serve the population well.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And tell us about what's in the assuming it gets
passed more or less as as is, what is in
the big beautiful bill that will go to transportation that
will make a difference to the American people.
Speaker 9 (31:17):
So for us, we uh, there's there's twelve billion dollars
for this brand new air traffic control system. That's not
going to be enough. You got to think about this.
It's this is the biggest it's nationwide infrastructure. It is
the most important infrastructure that that we're going to build
on in the last several decades, for sure, because it's
(31:40):
such a big part of our economy. People find, whether
it's business or pleasure. We move a lot of products
through the air.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
And so we have twelve billion. We'll need more more
than that at a later point. They're going to have
to give it to us. One of the problems Buck
in the past is that Congress.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Would give conscies of money to the f and then
the priority would change or the administration changes, and they
never got the money.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
So we need to get the money up front. So
twelve billion is a nice start.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
We can begin the project, but this year I need
to get the rest of the money, and then in
that secondary bill we can hopefully get the clearing the
deck of the of the permits. I also think that
pulls making sure you don't get a massive tax increase.
That's big force and the big beautiful bill. Also, there's
a provision that if you buy a brand new car
(32:32):
that was made in America, you can write up to
right off up to ten thousand dollars of your interest
payments on the vehicle. So again incentivizing people to buy
new cars, and the president's doing all kinds of things
to deliver on the promises that he made during the campaign, which,
by the way, is nice that we have presidents that
actually do what they say or try to accomplish what
(32:52):
they promised.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Thanks forredation, Secretary Sean Duffy, Sir, thank you so much
for being with us, and please fix all the things.
We appreciate it. I got to you, Yeah, you got me.
Thank you, Sarah. Good to talk to you.
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I was going to drop today on clay in Buck.
Thank you so much for hanging out. As always, I'll
be back with you tomorrow. Play is traveling tomorrow and
then I think, actually i'll be out Friday.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
And getting ready for a weekend. I'm gonna be doing
a lot of I think firearms trending this weekend, so
that will be fun. Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
As always, I'll have some stories for you about that
when I am sure you're trying to get good, you
know what I mean, just trying to get better all
the time. I'm a students who's trying to learn more
of the way of the gun.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And we have.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Some really fun stuff actually coming in. Charles Cook, who's
an old friend of mine from the Real News at
the Blaze days, he's over a National Review.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
He does a really good job on this one. I
think Karine Jean Pierre has a book.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
The title of the book of the White House Press
Secretary under Biden is Independent, A look inside a broken
White House outside the party lines. And Karine Jean Pierre
is now getting headlines for leaving the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
She's not saying she's an independent.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You are the White House press secretary. You like, the
chief propagandist of the Biden White House. I know you
could say any any press secretary, that's somewhat the job.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
But it's you're a propagandist.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
If you're saying things that you really know are not true, right,
you're just gonna do whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And Charles Cook points out that.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
From twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, Green Jean Pierre's
take was everything Bob was correct, Everything Biden did was correct,
Everything Biden was correct, and then twenty twenty five You
Lose is actually I'm more of an independent by my book.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Totally agree with Charles on this one.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
It is absurd, absurd, but this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Podcast listener, Jeff, this is AA. The pronunciation police have
come for me.
Speaker 10 (36:16):
Let's hear it, hey, book, that town that you were
trying to pronounce is not olath It's Oleitha. I used
to live there though, Just wanting to let you know,
have a good one.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Thank you, my friend, olaka the thriving metropolis of Olaitha.
I do learn some new towns on this show, so
that's always fun. There's a lot of towns in this country,
and some of them have some pretty funky names. But
I'm sure Oleitha is lovely this time of year, and
that is a name that I shall remember. Got off easy,
(36:49):
I got off with a warning from the pronunciation police
this time.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So that's good.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Back with you tomorrow, gonna be a rock and show.
Make sure you go check out the clam Buck podcast Network.
So many great shows, there, so many great things you
can only hear on the podcast network.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
And we'll be back to you tomorrow. Talk to you,
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