June 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Interview featuring Julie Hamill, attorney and president of the California Justice Center, who critiques California’s gender identity policies and their conflict with federal Title IX protections. Hamill explains how California’s AB 1266 and similar laws undermine sex-based rights for women and girls in sports and education, sparking viral attention after her CNN appearance. The conversation emphasizes the legal and societal implications of redefining gender in law, with a focus on protecting biological women’s rights in athletics and public spaces. The segment also explores the broader political ramifications, including the role of President Donald Trump’s administration in challenging these policies and advocating for a return to sex-based legal definitions. The hosts and Hamill discuss the need for federal legislation to clarify Title IX, the pending lawsuits against California’s gender laws, and the cultural resistance to acknowledging biological differences in policy debates. The show also features a passionate defense of Israel’s right to self-defense following the October 7th attacks, condemning calls for ceasefires that ignore the brutality of Hamas. Buck draws historical parallels and critiques the American left’s tendency to blame the West for global conflicts, asserting that such views embolden extremism and undermine national security. In addition, the hour includes a discussion on illegal immigration and national security, spotlighting how the Colorado attacker exploited the U.S. asylum system. Buck warns that President Biden’s open border policies are creating vulnerabilities that could be exploited by bad actors. Listeners are reminded of the importance of moral clarity in confronting terrorism and antisemitism, with Buck urging Americans to stand firmly against hate and in support of democratic allies like Israel. The hour concludes with a preview of upcoming topics, including more on immigration policy and the economic outlook under President Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a few minutes ago. If you missed it, go back
to first hour Playing Buck on the podcast. We definitely
want to hear it. Julie Hammel, attorney and president of
the California Justice Center, joins us. Now, Julia, appreciate you
(00:44):
making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Thank you so much for having me now for.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
First off, before we get into the exchange you had
on CNN, which we did. I don't know if you
know or if you were able to listen in before,
but we did play a good more than half of it,
I'd say on the air I watch and it was
just it was astonishing, but also I guess I expect it.
So we'll get to that in a second. But can
you just from the legal perspective, tell everybody, we know
(01:10):
this story about Aby Hernandez biological male competing against women,
We know this stuff. What is the legal what is
legally at issue here? How does Title nine come into play?
What is Gavin Newsom of California doing? What's happening on
the legal front?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, long story short. Title nine has been a federal
statute since nineteen seventy two, and it's very simple. It
is sex based protections for you can't discriminate against girls
and women in educational programs, including sports, and so there's
supposed to be equal opportunity for women and girls in
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educational programs including sports. California, back in twenty thirteen past
this law AB twelve sixty six, which is now Education
Code Section two twenty one one point five s that
says schools must allow students to use the facilities and
play on a sports team that aligns with their gender
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identity instead of sex. So that essentially turns Title nine
on its head, and we've had that in place for
over a decade in California. Now it mirrors almost identically
Biden's Title nine rule that he put in place in
twenty twenty four that was enjoined by a number of
federal district courts. So those courts said in their decisions,
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you cannot create a regulation or a rule that completely
flies in the face of what the statute says. This
completely subverts Title nine. It does the opposite of what
Title nine was supposed to do by allowing males into
the female spaces, into female sports, into female academic programs.
(02:56):
It's total nonsense. Any thinking, sane human being can recognize
it immediately, which is why I'm frankly shocked that this
interview is getting so much attention because it was simply
it's just common sense. I was only saying things that
most of America is thinking. And what that is.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, yeah, it went. It went super viral, I think
for the reason that, and I'm glad that it did,
Julie over the weekend, because you are just you are
just saying in a very calm tone, and everyone heard it.
We played it. Here's the reality, and the CNN anchor
has this almost like otherworldly detached But what about people
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who are assigned female at birth? Who uses this kind
of language, Like, you know, we just had Mother's Day recently.
You know, this is like the birthing people's day phenomenon
that we've heard. Like, no normal person thinks that this
should be normal. And let me ask you this taking
California's policy, uh, due to its logical conclusion. Let's say
(04:00):
I was an employee in the state of California and
I wanted to claim discrimination as a woman because I
say that I identify as a woman. On what grounds
could California tell me that I couldn't sue for sex
based discrimination against me as a woman? Like, how do
how is it legally codified what you identify as?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It is actually legally codified. It's freaking nonsense. So we
in addition to AB twelve sixty six, we also have
the Unrus Civil Rights Act, which defines discrimination based on
gender identity as a violation of California civil rights law.
So it's not just in schools, it's not just adults,
(04:42):
it's not just children, it's also adults. In California has
literally legislated gender ideology into statute, which is so absolutely nuts.
I don't think people really understand the consequences of what
has been done here, then to.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Take me through this, because yeah, that is so nuts.
I didn't even know that they had done that. How
how do you qualify as identifying as a different gender?
What has to be done? Because it can't be sex
change operation because that's actually only a you know, a
pretty small percentage of these individuals.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's a feeling. It's a feeling. Do you feel like
a woman today? You're a woman's well, so then I'm right.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
So then I could I could say I feel like
a woman. I can't believe saying it's out loud, and
I think I'm being discriminated against in my California job
as a woman, and I'm suing, and they would have
to try to prove that I'm not actually a woman.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yes, yes, that's an absolute bonkers nonsense.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I you know, I said, what is now the next
step on this?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Because I think the sit down that you had or
the conversation you had on CNN was very illuminating. I mean,
also just things like we need more study to see
if biological males have an advantage in sports. This is
this is like members of the Communist Party or maybe
even just like everyday people within the Soviet Union saying, yes,
(06:13):
we're all starving, but the grain harvest this year was
the best grain harvest in history. Like this is that
level of crazy because we all know that. Obviously the
basis of men and women having segregated sports is that
it wouldn't be fair if they didn't, right, That's otherwise
we would just have you know, men and women right
can apply to work in an investment bank. We don't
have the men the men position the women position. It's
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different in sports because of the physical differences. So are
you are you going to bring suit? Is this going
to get up to appeals? Is this going to go
to Scotus? Like what happens now?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So there are lawsuits pending right now. The Advocates for
Faith and Freedom group out of San Diego filed a
lawsuit that is pending in the Central District right now.
Our US attorney Bill as Dailey has filed the statement
of interest, and so the government is getting involved in
that one. That is challenging EBE twelve sixty six. I
(07:05):
hope it goes to Scotus. In the meantime, though, the
Trump administration is very much motivated and acting very quickly
here and they are coming in with the full way
of the Department of Justice, and I believe that we
will see results soon hopefully.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, what do you think about the pulling because this
came up in your conversation. You know, what do you
think about the pulling of federal funds of California does
not comply with Title nine rooted in an understanding of
gender as a thing that is real, or rather men
and women are things that are different and distinguishable under law.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, this is so crazy to me that the anchor,
with a straight face said to me that there are
different interpretations of Title nine. That there are people who
believe that gender identity is the thing that should be
protected and not sex. So for that reason, we need
to legislate this at the congressional level. We need a
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federal statute to clarify that Title nine is sex based,
which does not include gender identity. It is your biological sex.
The fact that we have to do that is absolutely
it's terrifying to me. We've reached Orwellian levels of insanity
in this country. But in order to protect future generations,
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we have to have this spelled out in statute, because
as soon as we don't have a Republican administration. We're
going to have this crazy leftist interpretation of Title nine again,
and they're going to allow males to compete against girls,
share facilities with girls, and there's nothing we can really
do about it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So how it's just see my problem with this is
I still come back to if they say that, and
as you pointed out that in California there's a gender
identity protection law, how can you legally law you know,
if somebody said, buck, how can you lawfully or legally
identify a man or woman? I'm like, well, we know
what a man is, we know what a woman is. Right,
(09:11):
It's like you sit there, you go, that's a man,
that's a woman. How could you identify or rather, how
could you codify gender identity without it excluding people who
claim to be covered under gender identity, or rather without
it being so vague that it could be anything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Well, the people at Deify the Defense of Freedom Institute
have actually proposed model legislation for this. It's like the
Protect Title nine Acts. You can go to their website
and it's there, and they've done that and they and
Bill A. Staley when he was in our state's legislature.
Right before he got appointed to the US Attorney position,
also introduced a bill called AB eight forty four, which
(09:53):
would have done the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But that's defining men and women in law, right, Yes, yeah, No,
what I'm saying is, how could you define gender identity
in law? Because it isn't a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's defined in various places in California's statute. It's not consistent.
It's always something different. And then if you look at
school district policies, these different school districts throughout California have
also taken a stab at trying to define it. But
it is a nebulous concept that is ever changing. It's
not immutable. It's not going to be protected by the
(10:26):
Supreme Court in equal protection cases because it's not an
immutable characteristic like sex. You cannot change your sex.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yes, so do you think this is to me? It
feels like this just has to go to the Supreme
Court and there has to be some you know, clarify.
It's amazing clarifying ruling from the Supreme Court that men
and women are different and we can know the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Why why do we have to do this? Why can
we not have people come to their senses and start
speaking rationally.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It feels like democrats because you're asking a very important question,
but it feels like democrats to what you said before,
they're just trying to ride this thing out until they're
in power again, and then it's going to be the
lunacy of Yeah, this is the you know, men in
women's locker rooms, met against women on the sports field,
you know, men and women's prisons.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Well, and the really Orwellian part about it is that
they're saying men are women, they are women. They're not right,
of course, they're actually women now because they say they
are these these are women and you must accept that.
And if you don't accept that, you're a bigot?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, have you ever seen this? Is what I always
tell everybody is the is the true ultimate ends of this.
There have been a few people who have tried this,
you see like blogs or you know stuff on like
HuffPo or The Nation or some of those you know
communist looney bins online where they they try to make
the case that if you're a straight man who is
not attracted to trans women, you're bigot it have you
ever seen that? That bubbles up here and there? And
(11:58):
as I point out to everybody based on what you
just said, which is that the real belief is that
trans women are women indistinguishable from women. The ultimate logic
of this is there's a problem with guys who aren't
attracted to trans women.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it's okay. One of the most disturbing elements here
is what they're doing to children. I'm laughing right now,
but it's really dark. It's actually incredibly dark. And I'm
on a school board out here in Palace Verde, and
we had this book that we have fifth grade teachers
like these are ten year old kids. They're being read
a book called Too Bright to See, which says it
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literally says in the book, a trans woman is a woman,
full stop, and anything else is bigotry. And that is
what they are teaching little kids.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's all they are teaching kids. The sky is green.
They are teaching kids can see. They look at the sky,
it's blue, and there are books that say the sky
is green and we're supposed to accept that.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, this is nineteen eighty four come to life.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It is great. Well, Julie, appreciate the work you're doing
on this. What's your organizations If anyone wants to go
help donate any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I am the president of the California Justice Center.
We are supported by the California Policy Center, which is
a nonprofit organization. If you want to donate and support
my work, that is where to go. You can find
my handle on Twitter at hamml Hmill Underscore Law.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Great work keeping your cool and keeping it calm and collected.
While you know, while one of the commissars was trying
to go through the talking points on CNN, appreciate you
making the time for us.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
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(14:05):
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we're just talking about this story out of California a
second ago with the person who just won the track
and field championship. Is a biological mail and it's it's
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pretty remarkable a Democrats plan to stay on this issue
and have not budged at all. It really gives you
a sense as to how clear it is that this
is really important to them. They view this as the
new civil rights struggle. The Democrats really as a party,
they're attached to this. And one of the ways I
(16:17):
tried to say this back on my Bill maher appearance
in October. I think I got talked over a little bit,
but I was trying to say, even for the Democrats
who know this is crazy, and there are Democrats. I've
spoken to Democrats who know this stuff is nuts, particularly
else in my case, I've spoken to a number of offline,
you know, not not in public but a number of
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black Democrats who do not agree with the transagenda stuff,
but they don't want to deal with the heat. I
know people who are prominent in Democrats, you know, prominent
Democrat commentators, and and they don't want to you know,
they don't want to deal with It's not that they
agree with it, but they don't want to deal with
the heat that they get from this one. And you'll,
(17:02):
I think there's a lot of Democrats that fall into
that category. They won't publicly go against this, even if
they're not on board. So whether it's a Chuck Schumer
type or a go down the list, they will not say, yeah,
this is crazy, which tells you all you need to know.
Right if it was damaging to their party and they
(17:22):
disagreed with it, wouldn't they be willing to say I
don't think we should do this anymore. VIP email from David.
He says maybe the state should try this, have a
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divided into classifications. That is, David, that's not a bad idea,
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guys pretending to be girls. A girl pretends to be
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a sorry college campus. Isn't across the country right now?
(19:27):
The anti Semitism, especially in the aftermath of this awful
terrorist attack. As I said, this guy was married, the
terrorist here married five kids and just wanted to go
and light a bunch of Jews on fire at a
at a vigil essentially at a raising awareness for the
hostages gathering. This is it is so evil and everyone
(19:52):
I know you see that if you listen to this
show as you do, you know what we stand for
and and you are a person who has And I
say this in all honesty, and this is not even
this just I think should be said because we should
all allow ourselves to hear it. You are a person
of moral clarity, knows right from wrong. So it can
(20:14):
be be fuddling, it can be confusing. How could anyone
not see right from wrong on these issues? I don't
just mean the terrorists right. Of course, even the most
insane Democrats for the most part, will publicly say, oh,
but you know this is then that's not right. But
let's not let this overshadow the righteousness of the Palestinian cause.
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What is the Palestinian cause? They don't want a state
that isn't Israel, so they just want to continue to exist,
to create agitation, strife and bloodshed until they get their way.
Move on. A lot of countries have a lot of
borders that shift over the centuries. People move around. My
(20:58):
people were Irish and when they were starving to death
and then they crossed the ocean, like things happen. Really,
I know that that seems like a simplification to some people,
but this is just reality. Israel's not going anywhere. The
people that are telling Palestinians whether they're fellow Palestinians like
Hamas or other Muslim entities or states in the region. Oh,
(21:21):
don't worry, we'll get rid of those Jews. No, you won't,
it's not gonna happen. Try to lead better lives, try
to build something instead of trying to burn everything down.
But somehow the righteous cause on campus for the imbeciles
is gaza. We need to make a gaza, a place
that is totalitarian, a place where no one has any
(21:45):
actual rights, a place where the very people who are
protesting in favor of this wouldn't last. Well, it's the
war zone right now, but even before it was a
war zone wouldn't last to day and would be lucky
if they weren't tortured to death and murdered. And yet
they still think that those are the good guys. I
mean this to me would be like protesting in favor
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of North Korea. You know, North Korea just wants South
Korea back. What's the problem, Well, you know it's so
what if they're gonna have to shell Soul and they're
gonna have to kill a few million South Koreans. The
reunification of the Korean Peninsula is North Korean's destiny, and
I stent you would know that's a crazy person. Right.
North Korea is an evil state, an evil regime to
(22:29):
its own people and to everyone else. Kaza is an
evil regime. Rather, the Hamas regime of Gaza is evil.
These are bad people. They have chosen the path of
darkness and they inflicted that darkness on Israel. And now
there is a response. I don't know why this is
(22:50):
so hard for some Americans in particular to get through
their heads, but it is. And they sit here and
they say, oh, you know, you're you don't understand, you know,
it's it's the It's not my I don't have a
problem with Jews. They say, I don't like the way
they're fighting in Gaza. Oh yeah, all the all the tacticians,
all the real frontline military minds that have a problem
(23:13):
with what the Israelis are doing in Gaza. Sure, it's just,
you know, they just wish it was a little bit different.
I remember, I remember when they were saying there should
be a cease fire days after the attack of October seventh,
a ceasefire. Now, if somebody was calling for a cease
fire forty eight hours after Pearl Harbor, I think it
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would be pretty clear that they don't want to see
the best for America, right. I think we would all
know that, hey, hold on a second, maybe Japan, you know,
just wants to just wants to work it out.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, they got a little bit, you know, a little
bit too feisty there with you know, killing a few
thousand Americans and bombing US. But you know, they've had
a tough go. You would know that person's insane. You
would know that they actually just hate America. And yet
the people that we're calling for ceasefire are the same
people that have been marching on campuses for Palace. Then
same people going in the media is saying, oh, this
(24:09):
is an evil war in a genocide. They were calling
for a ceasefire right away. Ceasefire. If someone walked up
to me in a bar and punched me in the
face as hard as they could and I was gearing
up to give them a nice shot, and they said,
hold on, ceasefire. Do I think that they're acting in
good faith? We know that they're not acting in good
(24:30):
faith when it comes to Israel. We can all see it.
Scott Jennings over at CNN, there's a dynamic duo over
at CNN of Scott Jennings and Shermichael Singleton. Sherm Michael's
a friend of mine. We'll have him on the show soon.
We've had Scott on the show shere. Michael does great
work over at CNN. But Scott Jennings, I'll give you
one for me to the dynamic duo here at ciend.
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They're the only thing worth watching now at CNN. I
know Samy saying, Buck, why do you watch the n
I don't, but I see the Scott Jennings and Shermichael
Singleton clips. It's funny. They're the only thing we're watching there.
And yet you think they'll get a show. Do you
think that they would do like the Scott and Srmichaels
show by That'd be a great show. It'd be real right,
And but they could fight with Libs. It doesn't have
to it doesn't have to be conservative or you know,
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pro Trump only right. They could. They could have on
all the Democrats they want, just have one show with
somebody who is pro Trump on that network. They would
never do it. They would never do it. No, they'd
rather have an anchor up there who's like, well, do
we really know that men have I think we need
more study before we know that men have a biological
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advantage over women in athletics. We need more study. Oh oh,
because what about women who were assigned women at birth
but actually have been unassigned it because they say so, Ah, okay, yeah,
that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Back to CNN's Scott Jennings. Here, this is what he
says about this. This is cut seven play it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
This is horrific and what more do we need to
see before we realize this Free Palestine movement is nothing
more than a domestic terror organization right now. I mean,
we had the killings in Washington a couple of weeks ago,
we have this issue in Colorado. We've seen, you know,
the activities on college campuses now for months and months
and months and months. The rise of anti Semitism in America,
(26:20):
the rise in the number of people who have come
to America who hold anti American views, anti Western views,
and anti Semitic views and are now willing.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
To act on it.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It is absolutely outrageous, and I think as a society
we need to understand we are dealing with domestic terrorism.
It's growing more violent by the day, and if we
don't deal with it, these kinds of things are going
to keep happening.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You see, this is I'm going to let you in
on a little secret that the Israeli people know and
Americans who understand the Muslim world know. Here's the belief
that's out there that the left will will say to you, Oh,
it's our fault. And you can see this. This runs
(27:04):
in parallel. This argument goes side by side America in
the Middle East, Israel in the Middle East. You'll hear
the same version of this, the same argumentation. Essentially, here's
how it goes. If we just did things differently, if
we just left them alone, meaning the Muslim world. The
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Middle East really is what we're talking about here specifically,
but the Muslim world more broadly too, because technical places
like Afghanistan, Pakistan, that's not the Middle East, that's South Asia.
But if you look at the Muslim world, the belief
is if we leave them alone, everything would be better.
They'll leave us, they'll leave us alone. History shows you
that that's not true, that it's not as though if
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we just did things differently, and this is really gets
to the heart of the debate here. If we just
did things differently. All of the terrorism bin Laden is
or was thank you steal Team six. Bin Laden was
blowback for US foreign policy. These people have no idea
what they're talking about. They know nothing about the Hadith
sited with the black banners of Korusan making their way
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to Jerusalem to bring about the end of days. They
know nothing about the the explicitly imperial history, meaning empire
building history of the Islamic project. They know nothing about this.
They just viewed in a post Ottoman which really just
means twentieth century, a post Ottoman context of Muslim world
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and specifically Mideast decline. And so we are the oppressors,
they are the oppressed. In fact, the Islamic world was
just one giant jihad of ongoing conquest for centuries for centuries, right,
So if we're really going to get into this history,
we should have some baseline understanding of what is really
going on here. But you will notice that wherever, wherever
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there has been the expansion of the Muslim world into
the non Muslim world, guess what happens vicious and violent conflict.
And this is without exception. Find me a place, show
me what it looks like in South Asia when Muslims
and Hindus are coming together, has there been tremendous bloodshed?
Have there been wars? Of course, show me this in
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East Asia, Show me this anywhere. Certainly the Balkans, Eastern Europe.
Show me this anywhere. And there is conflict and there
are problems. The notion that the only problems exist because
of US is just a self hatred masquerading as some
kind of erudite foreign policy. It's absurd, It is absurd.
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And now which you have to realize, is that some
of these countries. You look at a place like Iran,
Why do you think Iran spends all its time saying
that Israel is the little Satan and we're the great Satan,
and they have all this stuff. And yes, I know
the Iranian people different than the Iranian regime. Why does
the apparatus in control of Iran, the theocracy of Iran,
spend so much time supporting terrorist groups and and and
(30:04):
and hating Israel and working against America. Well, if they
weren't doing that, they might have to look around and say,
why does our society suck so much? Why are we
so poor? Why do we have no rights? Why are
we so behind the rest of the world. Why can't
we be competitive? Why can't we create great literature? Why
can't we create movies anybody wants to watch? Why aren't
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we curing diseases? Where are we on Ai? How happy
are our people? All of those metrics, And this isn't
just true in Iran, all the all of those metrics
in some of these Muslim countries would just be devastating
if people actually spend time thinking about them. But it
is so much more easy to say, well, you know,
(30:45):
there's there's an Israeli hiding under my bed. He's the
problem America doing things that Isra wants them to do.
That's the problem, I promise you these countries, I mean
the perfect example is Gaza. Gaza itself, Israel said, fine,
you know what, all of our settlers and they it
was not it was not a pleasant experience. They had
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to send in the military, They had to drag them
out of Gaza. Those of you who actually know the
history of the region know what I'm talking about. They said, fine,
Gaza is yours. And then then they spent the next
twenty years building a terror tunnel networks and firing rockets
at their neighbors. It's their fault. They made choices, they
made bad choices. It is their fault. Now you could say, oh,
(31:31):
but you know, laws of war and what do we do,
and it's so horrible and their civilian casualties. Yet war
is a terrible thing. The Israelis try to mitigate the
civilian casualties from the war that they are fighting, but
that does not mean it is not a just war.
Same way we went to Afghanistan and they were trying
to not just blow up the Pentagon and bring down
the twin towers. They had many and I worked on
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some of them in the CIICTC when they were active plots.
I remember this. They were trying to bring down you know,
you know, multiple airliners over the Pacific or over the Atlantic,
or they're trying to bring I mean they had plots
of plenty mass casualty plots still going and still based
on al Qaeda leadership, direct planning. And yeah, did we
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occasionally bomb a not even occasionally. I mean we just
had to bomb compounds where we thought the bad guys
were and were there people who were killed? And is
a terrible yes, But the alternative is we don't get
to do anything, and we just get to suffer and
the terrorists win. The fighting against terrorism cannot be viewed
as the root cause of terrorism, because then you have
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created a philosophy of the bad guys win before the
fight has even started. And that is what the American
left do does. That is what the blame America first
group does, and that is what the you know, the
the Hamas lovers running around on campus. That is their
fundamental belief. That is what actually unites all of them.
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want to hear it. Julie Hammel, attorney and president of
the California Justice Center, joins us. Now, Julia, appreciate you
(00:44):
making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Thank you so much for having me now for.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
First off, before we get into the exchange you had
on CNN, which we did. I don't know if you
know or if you were able to listen in before,
but we did play a good more than half of it,
I'd say on the air I watch and it was
just it was astonishing, but also I guess I expect it.
So we'll get to that in a second. But can
you just from the legal perspective, tell everybody, we know
(01:10):
this story about Aby Hernandez biological male competing against women,
We know this stuff. What is the legal what is
legally at issue here? How does Title nine come into play?
What is Gavin Newsom of California doing? What's happening on
the legal front?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, long story short. Title nine has been a federal
statute since nineteen seventy two, and it's very simple. It
is sex based protections for you can't discriminate against girls
and women in educational programs, including sports, and so there's
supposed to be equal opportunity for women and girls in
(01:49):
educational programs including sports. California, back in twenty thirteen past
this law AB twelve sixty six, which is now Education
Code Section two twenty one one point five s that
says schools must allow students to use the facilities and
play on a sports team that aligns with their gender
(02:10):
identity instead of sex. So that essentially turns Title nine
on its head, and we've had that in place for
over a decade in California. Now it mirrors almost identically
Biden's Title nine rule that he put in place in
twenty twenty four that was enjoined by a number of
federal district courts. So those courts said in their decisions,
(02:34):
you cannot create a regulation or a rule that completely
flies in the face of what the statute says. This
completely subverts Title nine. It does the opposite of what
Title nine was supposed to do by allowing males into
the female spaces, into female sports, into female academic programs.
(02:56):
It's total nonsense. Any thinking, sane human being can recognize
it immediately, which is why I'm frankly shocked that this
interview is getting so much attention because it was simply
it's just common sense. I was only saying things that
most of America is thinking. And what that is.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, yeah, it went. It went super viral, I think
for the reason that, and I'm glad that it did,
Julie over the weekend, because you are just you are
just saying in a very calm tone, and everyone heard it.
We played it. Here's the reality, and the CNN anchor
has this almost like otherworldly detached But what about people
(03:37):
who are assigned female at birth? Who uses this kind
of language, Like, you know, we just had Mother's Day recently.
You know, this is like the birthing people's day phenomenon
that we've heard. Like, no normal person thinks that this
should be normal. And let me ask you this taking
California's policy, uh, due to its logical conclusion. Let's say
(04:00):
I was an employee in the state of California and
I wanted to claim discrimination as a woman because I
say that I identify as a woman. On what grounds
could California tell me that I couldn't sue for sex
based discrimination against me as a woman? Like, how do
how is it legally codified what you identify as?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It is actually legally codified. It's freaking nonsense. So we
in addition to AB twelve sixty six, we also have
the Unrus Civil Rights Act, which defines discrimination based on
gender identity as a violation of California civil rights law.
So it's not just in schools, it's not just adults,
(04:42):
it's not just children, it's also adults. In California has
literally legislated gender ideology into statute, which is so absolutely nuts.
I don't think people really understand the consequences of what
has been done here, then to.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Take me through this, because yeah, that is so nuts.
I didn't even know that they had done that. How
how do you qualify as identifying as a different gender?
What has to be done? Because it can't be sex
change operation because that's actually only a you know, a
pretty small percentage of these individuals.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's a feeling. It's a feeling. Do you feel like
a woman today? You're a woman's well, so then I'm right.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
So then I could I could say I feel like
a woman. I can't believe saying it's out loud, and
I think I'm being discriminated against in my California job
as a woman, and I'm suing, and they would have
to try to prove that I'm not actually a woman.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yes, yes, that's an absolute bonkers nonsense.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I you know, I said, what is now the next
step on this?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Because I think the sit down that you had or
the conversation you had on CNN was very illuminating. I mean,
also just things like we need more study to see
if biological males have an advantage in sports. This is
this is like members of the Communist Party or maybe
even just like everyday people within the Soviet Union saying, yes,
(06:13):
we're all starving, but the grain harvest this year was
the best grain harvest in history. Like this is that
level of crazy because we all know that. Obviously the
basis of men and women having segregated sports is that
it wouldn't be fair if they didn't, right, That's otherwise
we would just have you know, men and women right
can apply to work in an investment bank. We don't
have the men the men position the women position. It's
(06:35):
different in sports because of the physical differences. So are
you are you going to bring suit? Is this going
to get up to appeals? Is this going to go
to Scotus? Like what happens now?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So there are lawsuits pending right now. The Advocates for
Faith and Freedom group out of San Diego filed a
lawsuit that is pending in the Central District right now.
Our US attorney Bill as Dailey has filed the statement
of interest, and so the government is getting involved in
that one. That is challenging EBE twelve sixty six. I
(07:05):
hope it goes to Scotus. In the meantime, though, the
Trump administration is very much motivated and acting very quickly
here and they are coming in with the full way
of the Department of Justice, and I believe that we
will see results soon hopefully.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, what do you think about the pulling because this
came up in your conversation. You know, what do you
think about the pulling of federal funds of California does
not comply with Title nine rooted in an understanding of
gender as a thing that is real, or rather men
and women are things that are different and distinguishable under law.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, this is so crazy to me that the anchor,
with a straight face said to me that there are
different interpretations of Title nine. That there are people who
believe that gender identity is the thing that should be
protected and not sex. So for that reason, we need
to legislate this at the congressional level. We need a
(08:08):
federal statute to clarify that Title nine is sex based,
which does not include gender identity. It is your biological sex.
The fact that we have to do that is absolutely
it's terrifying to me. We've reached Orwellian levels of insanity
in this country. But in order to protect future generations,
(08:31):
we have to have this spelled out in statute, because
as soon as we don't have a Republican administration. We're
going to have this crazy leftist interpretation of Title nine again,
and they're going to allow males to compete against girls,
share facilities with girls, and there's nothing we can really
do about it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So how it's just see my problem with this is
I still come back to if they say that, and
as you pointed out that in California there's a gender
identity protection law, how can you legally law you know,
if somebody said, buck, how can you lawfully or legally
identify a man or woman? I'm like, well, we know
what a man is, we know what a woman is. Right,
(09:11):
It's like you sit there, you go, that's a man,
that's a woman. How could you identify or rather, how
could you codify gender identity without it excluding people who
claim to be covered under gender identity, or rather without
it being so vague that it could be anything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Well, the people at Deify the Defense of Freedom Institute
have actually proposed model legislation for this. It's like the
Protect Title nine Acts. You can go to their website
and it's there, and they've done that and they and
Bill A. Staley when he was in our state's legislature.
Right before he got appointed to the US Attorney position,
also introduced a bill called AB eight forty four, which
(09:53):
would have done the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
But that's defining men and women in law, right, Yes, yeah, No,
what I'm saying is, how could you define gender identity
in law? Because it isn't a thing.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's defined in various places in California's statute. It's not consistent.
It's always something different. And then if you look at
school district policies, these different school districts throughout California have
also taken a stab at trying to define it. But
it is a nebulous concept that is ever changing. It's
not immutable. It's not going to be protected by the
(10:26):
Supreme Court in equal protection cases because it's not an
immutable characteristic like sex. You cannot change your sex.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yes, so do you think this is to me? It
feels like this just has to go to the Supreme
Court and there has to be some you know, clarify.
It's amazing clarifying ruling from the Supreme Court that men
and women are different and we can know the difference.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Why why do we have to do this? Why can
we not have people come to their senses and start
speaking rationally.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It feels like democrats because you're asking a very important question,
but it feels like democrats to what you said before,
they're just trying to ride this thing out until they're
in power again, and then it's going to be the
lunacy of Yeah, this is the you know, men in
women's locker rooms, met against women on the sports field,
you know, men and women's prisons.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Well, and the really Orwellian part about it is that
they're saying men are women, they are women. They're not right,
of course, they're actually women now because they say they
are these these are women and you must accept that.
And if you don't accept that, you're a bigot?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, have you ever seen this? Is what I always
tell everybody is the is the true ultimate ends of this.
There have been a few people who have tried this,
you see like blogs or you know stuff on like
HuffPo or The Nation or some of those you know
communist looney bins online where they they try to make
the case that if you're a straight man who is
not attracted to trans women, you're bigot it have you
ever seen that? That bubbles up here and there? And
(11:58):
as I point out to everybody based on what you
just said, which is that the real belief is that
trans women are women indistinguishable from women. The ultimate logic
of this is there's a problem with guys who aren't
attracted to trans women.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it's okay. One of the most disturbing elements here
is what they're doing to children. I'm laughing right now,
but it's really dark. It's actually incredibly dark. And I'm
on a school board out here in Palace Verde, and
we had this book that we have fifth grade teachers
like these are ten year old kids. They're being read
a book called Too Bright to See, which says it
(12:38):
literally says in the book, a trans woman is a woman,
full stop, and anything else is bigotry. And that is
what they are teaching little kids.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's all they are teaching kids. The sky is green.
They are teaching kids can see. They look at the sky,
it's blue, and there are books that say the sky
is green and we're supposed to accept that.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, this is nineteen eighty four come to life.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It is great. Well, Julie, appreciate the work you're doing
on this. What's your organizations If anyone wants to go
help donate any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I am the president of the California Justice Center.
We are supported by the California Policy Center, which is
a nonprofit organization. If you want to donate and support
my work, that is where to go. You can find
my handle on Twitter at hamml Hmill Underscore Law.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Great work keeping your cool and keeping it calm and collected.
While you know, while one of the commissars was trying
to go through the talking points on CNN, appreciate you
making the time for us.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
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we're just talking about this story out of California a
second ago with the person who just won the track
and field championship. Is a biological mail and it's it's
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pretty remarkable a Democrats plan to stay on this issue
and have not budged at all. It really gives you
a sense as to how clear it is that this
is really important to them. They view this as the
new civil rights struggle. The Democrats really as a party,
they're attached to this. And one of the ways I
(16:17):
tried to say this back on my Bill maher appearance
in October. I think I got talked over a little bit,
but I was trying to say, even for the Democrats
who know this is crazy, and there are Democrats. I've
spoken to Democrats who know this stuff is nuts, particularly
else in my case, I've spoken to a number of offline,
you know, not not in public but a number of
(16:39):
black Democrats who do not agree with the transagenda stuff,
but they don't want to deal with the heat. I
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Democrat commentators, and and they don't want to you know,
they don't want to deal with It's not that they
agree with it, but they don't want to deal with
the heat that they get from this one. And you'll,
(17:02):
I think there's a lot of Democrats that fall into
that category. They won't publicly go against this, even if
they're not on board. So whether it's a Chuck Schumer
type or a go down the list, they will not say, yeah,
this is crazy, which tells you all you need to know.
Right if it was damaging to their party and they
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talking about this situation on college camp, I mean on
a sorry college campus. Isn't across the country right now?
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The anti Semitism, especially in the aftermath of this awful
terrorist attack. As I said, this guy was married, the
terrorist here married five kids and just wanted to go
and light a bunch of Jews on fire at a
at a vigil essentially at a raising awareness for the
hostages gathering. This is it is so evil and everyone
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I know you see that if you listen to this
show as you do, you know what we stand for
and and you are a person who has And I
say this in all honesty, and this is not even
this just I think should be said because we should
all allow ourselves to hear it. You are a person
of moral clarity, knows right from wrong. So it can
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be be fuddling, it can be confusing. How could anyone
not see right from wrong on these issues? I don't
just mean the terrorists right. Of course, even the most
insane Democrats for the most part, will publicly say, oh,
but you know this is then that's not right. But
let's not let this overshadow the righteousness of the Palestinian cause.
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What is the Palestinian cause? They don't want a state
that isn't Israel, so they just want to continue to exist,
to create agitation, strife and bloodshed until they get their way.
Move on. A lot of countries have a lot of
borders that shift over the centuries. People move around. My
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people were Irish and when they were starving to death
and then they crossed the ocean, like things happen. Really,
I know that that seems like a simplification to some people,
but this is just reality. Israel's not going anywhere. The
people that are telling Palestinians whether they're fellow Palestinians like
Hamas or other Muslim entities or states in the region. Oh,
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don't worry, we'll get rid of those Jews. No, you won't,
it's not gonna happen. Try to lead better lives, try
to build something instead of trying to burn everything down.
But somehow the righteous cause on campus for the imbeciles
is gaza. We need to make a gaza, a place
that is totalitarian, a place where no one has any
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actual rights, a place where the very people who are
protesting in favor of this wouldn't last. Well, it's the
war zone right now, but even before it was a
war zone wouldn't last to day and would be lucky
if they weren't tortured to death and murdered. And yet
they still think that those are the good guys. I
mean this to me would be like protesting in favor
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of North Korea. You know, North Korea just wants South
Korea back. What's the problem, Well, you know it's so
what if they're gonna have to shell Soul and they're
gonna have to kill a few million South Koreans. The
reunification of the Korean Peninsula is North Korean's destiny, and
I stent you would know that's a crazy person. Right.
North Korea is an evil state, an evil regime to
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its own people and to everyone else. Kaza is an
evil regime. Rather, the Hamas regime of Gaza is evil.
These are bad people. They have chosen the path of
darkness and they inflicted that darkness on Israel. And now
there is a response. I don't know why this is
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so hard for some Americans in particular to get through
their heads, but it is. And they sit here and
they say, oh, you know, you're you don't understand, you know,
it's it's the It's not my I don't have a
problem with Jews. They say, I don't like the way
they're fighting in Gaza. Oh yeah, all the all the tacticians,
all the real frontline military minds that have a problem
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with what the Israelis are doing in Gaza. Sure, it's just,
you know, they just wish it was a little bit different.
I remember, I remember when they were saying there should
be a cease fire days after the attack of October seventh,
a ceasefire. Now, if somebody was calling for a cease
fire forty eight hours after Pearl Harbor, I think it
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would be pretty clear that they don't want to see
the best for America, right. I think we would all
know that, hey, hold on a second, maybe Japan, you know,
just wants to just wants to work it out.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, they got a little bit, you know, a little
bit too feisty there with you know, killing a few
thousand Americans and bombing US. But you know, they've had
a tough go. You would know that person's insane. You
would know that they actually just hate America. And yet
the people that we're calling for ceasefire are the same
people that have been marching on campuses for Palace. Then
same people going in the media is saying, oh, this
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is an evil war in a genocide. They were calling
for a ceasefire right away. Ceasefire. If someone walked up
to me in a bar and punched me in the
face as hard as they could and I was gearing
up to give them a nice shot, and they said,
hold on, ceasefire. Do I think that they're acting in
good faith? We know that they're not acting in good
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faith when it comes to Israel. We can all see it.
Scott Jennings over at CNN, there's a dynamic duo over
at CNN of Scott Jennings and Shermichael Singleton. Sherm Michael's
a friend of mine. We'll have him on the show soon.
We've had Scott on the show shere. Michael does great
work over at CNN. But Scott Jennings, I'll give you
one for me to the dynamic duo here at ciend.
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They're the only thing worth watching now at CNN. I
know Samy saying, Buck, why do you watch the n
I don't, but I see the Scott Jennings and Shermichael
Singleton clips. It's funny. They're the only thing we're watching there.
And yet you think they'll get a show. Do you
think that they would do like the Scott and Srmichaels
show by That'd be a great show. It'd be real right,
And but they could fight with Libs. It doesn't have
to it doesn't have to be conservative or you know,
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pro Trump only right. They could. They could have on
all the Democrats they want, just have one show with
somebody who is pro Trump on that network. They would
never do it. They would never do it. No, they'd
rather have an anchor up there who's like, well, do
we really know that men have I think we need
more study before we know that men have a biological
(25:33):
advantage over women in athletics. We need more study. Oh oh,
because what about women who were assigned women at birth
but actually have been unassigned it because they say so, Ah, okay, yeah,
that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Back to CNN's Scott Jennings. Here, this is what he
says about this. This is cut seven play it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
This is horrific and what more do we need to
see before we realize this Free Palestine movement is nothing
more than a domestic terror organization right now. I mean,
we had the killings in Washington a couple of weeks ago,
we have this issue in Colorado. We've seen, you know,
the activities on college campuses now for months and months
and months and months. The rise of anti Semitism in America,
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the rise in the number of people who have come
to America who hold anti American views, anti Western views,
and anti Semitic views and are now willing.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
To act on it.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It is absolutely outrageous, and I think as a society
we need to understand we are dealing with domestic terrorism.
It's growing more violent by the day, and if we
don't deal with it, these kinds of things are going
to keep happening.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
You see, this is I'm going to let you in
on a little secret that the Israeli people know and
Americans who understand the Muslim world know. Here's the belief
that's out there that the left will will say to you, Oh,
it's our fault. And you can see this. This runs
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in parallel. This argument goes side by side America in
the Middle East, Israel in the Middle East. You'll hear
the same version of this, the same argumentation. Essentially, here's
how it goes. If we just did things differently, if
we just left them alone, meaning the Muslim world. The
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Middle East really is what we're talking about here specifically,
but the Muslim world more broadly too, because technical places
like Afghanistan, Pakistan, that's not the Middle East, that's South Asia.
But if you look at the Muslim world, the belief
is if we leave them alone, everything would be better.
They'll leave us, they'll leave us alone. History shows you
that that's not true, that it's not as though if
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we just did things differently, and this is really gets
to the heart of the debate here. If we just
did things differently. All of the terrorism bin Laden is
or was thank you steal Team six. Bin Laden was
blowback for US foreign policy. These people have no idea
what they're talking about. They know nothing about the Hadith
sited with the black banners of Korusan making their way
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to Jerusalem to bring about the end of days. They
know nothing about the the explicitly imperial history, meaning empire
building history of the Islamic project. They know nothing about this.
They just viewed in a post Ottoman which really just
means twentieth century, a post Ottoman context of Muslim world
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and specifically Mideast decline. And so we are the oppressors,
they are the oppressed. In fact, the Islamic world was
just one giant jihad of ongoing conquest for centuries for centuries, right,
So if we're really going to get into this history,
we should have some baseline understanding of what is really
going on here. But you will notice that wherever, wherever
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there has been the expansion of the Muslim world into
the non Muslim world, guess what happens vicious and violent conflict.
And this is without exception. Find me a place, show
me what it looks like in South Asia when Muslims
and Hindus are coming together, has there been tremendous bloodshed?
Have there been wars? Of course, show me this in
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East Asia, Show me this anywhere. Certainly the Balkans, Eastern Europe.
Show me this anywhere. And there is conflict and there
are problems. The notion that the only problems exist because
of US is just a self hatred masquerading as some
kind of erudite foreign policy. It's absurd, It is absurd.
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And now which you have to realize, is that some
of these countries. You look at a place like Iran,
Why do you think Iran spends all its time saying
that Israel is the little Satan and we're the great Satan,
and they have all this stuff. And yes, I know
the Iranian people different than the Iranian regime. Why does
the apparatus in control of Iran, the theocracy of Iran,
spend so much time supporting terrorist groups and and and
(30:04):
and hating Israel and working against America. Well, if they
weren't doing that, they might have to look around and say,
why does our society suck so much? Why are we
so poor? Why do we have no rights? Why are
we so behind the rest of the world. Why can't
we be competitive? Why can't we create great literature? Why
can't we create movies anybody wants to watch? Why aren't
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we curing diseases? Where are we on Ai? How happy
are our people? All of those metrics, And this isn't
just true in Iran, all the all of those metrics
in some of these Muslim countries would just be devastating
if people actually spend time thinking about them. But it
is so much more easy to say, well, you know,
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there's there's an Israeli hiding under my bed. He's the
problem America doing things that Isra wants them to do.
That's the problem, I promise you these countries, I mean
the perfect example is Gaza. Gaza itself, Israel said, fine,
you know what, all of our settlers and they it
was not it was not a pleasant experience. They had
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to send in the military, They had to drag them
out of Gaza. Those of you who actually know the
history of the region know what I'm talking about. They said, fine,
Gaza is yours. And then then they spent the next
twenty years building a terror tunnel networks and firing rockets
at their neighbors. It's their fault. They made choices, they
made bad choices. It is their fault. Now you could say, oh,
(31:31):
but you know, laws of war and what do we do,
and it's so horrible and their civilian casualties. Yet war
is a terrible thing. The Israelis try to mitigate the
civilian casualties from the war that they are fighting, but
that does not mean it is not a just war.
Same way we went to Afghanistan and they were trying
to not just blow up the Pentagon and bring down
the twin towers. They had many and I worked on
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some of them in the CIICTC when they were active plots.
I remember this. They were trying to bring down you know,
you know, multiple airliners over the Pacific or over the Atlantic,
or they're trying to bring I mean they had plots
of plenty mass casualty plots still going and still based
on al Qaeda leadership, direct planning. And yeah, did we
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occasionally bomb a not even occasionally. I mean we just
had to bomb compounds where we thought the bad guys
were and were there people who were killed? And is
a terrible yes, But the alternative is we don't get
to do anything, and we just get to suffer and
the terrorists win. The fighting against terrorism cannot be viewed
as the root cause of terrorism, because then you have
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created a philosophy of the bad guys win before the
fight has even started. And that is what the American
left do does. That is what the blame America first
group does, and that is what the you know, the
the Hamas lovers running around on campus. That is their
fundamental belief. That is what actually unites all of them.
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